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  • Operator

  • Good evening, ladies and

  • gentlemen, and welcome to the Micron Technology

  • third-quarter fiscal year 2002 conference call.

  • At this time, all participants have been placed in

  • a listen-only mode and the floor will be open for

  • your questions and comments following the

  • presentation.

  • I said now like to turn the floor over to your

  • host, Kip Bedard. Sir, the floor is yours.

  • Kip Bedard

  • Thank you and I'd like to

  • welcome to Micron Technology's third-quarter of

  • fiscal year 2002 conference call. On the call

  • today are Steve Appleton, chairman, CEO and

  • president, Bill Stover, vice president of finance

  • and chief financial officer, and Mike Sadler,

  • vice president of worldwide sales.

  • This conference call, including audio and slides,

  • is also available on Micron's home page on the

  • internet at www.Micron.com.

  • If you have not had an opportunity to review the

  • earnings press release, it is available on our

  • website at www.Micron.com. Our call will be

  • approximately 60 minutes in length. There will be

  • a taped replay of this call available later this

  • evening at 5:30 p.m. mountain daylight time. You

  • can reach that by dialing 973-341-3080, with a

  • confirmation code of pound 333-6286. This replay

  • will run through Thursday, June 27th, 2002, at

  • 5:30 p.m., mountain daylight time. The webcast

  • replay is available through July 2nd, 2002.

  • We encourage you to monitor our website at

  • www.Micron.com throughout the quarter for the most

  • current information on the company, including

  • information on the various financial conferences

  • that we will be attending.

  • During the course of this call, we may make

  • projections or other forward-looking statements

  • regarding future events or the future financial

  • performance of the company, and the industry.

  • We wish to caution you that such statements are

  • predictions and that actual events or results may

  • differ materially.

  • We refer you to the documents the company files on

  • a consolidated basis from time to time with the

  • Securities and Exchange Commission. Specifically,

  • the company's most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q.

  • These documents contain and identify important

  • factors that could cause the actual results for

  • the company on a consolidated basis to differ

  • materially from those contained in our projections

  • or forward-looking statements.

  • These certain factors can be found on the

  • company's website.

  • Although we believe that the expectations

  • reflected in the forward-looking statements are

  • reasonable, we cannot guarantee future results,

  • levels of activity, performance, or achievements.

  • We are under no duty to update any of the

  • forward-looking statements after the date of the

  • presentation to conform these statements to actual

  • results. And with that, I'd like to turn the call

  • now over to Mr. Bill Stover.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • Thanks, Kip. Let's run

  • through the results for the quarter ended

  • May 30th.

  • For our third quarter, sales totaled $771 million,

  • and the company had a loss of 24 million, or 4

  • cents per share. For the immediately preceding

  • quarter, sales totaled 646 million, and the

  • company recorded a loss of $30 million, or 5 cents

  • per share.

  • Our third fiscal quarter's results covering March,

  • April and May were noticeably influenced by

  • volatile market conditions. Late last calendar

  • year, the semiconductor memory industry

  • experienced higher than expected demand, falling

  • inventories, and increasing selling prices. These

  • conditions continued into late March of this year,

  • when inventory levels bottomed and pricing peaked.

  • Since early April, selling prices have fallen

  • appreciably. For instance, the 256 Meg sync,

  • which was selling for about $10 in late March,

  • sold for approximately $5 in early June. With

  • softening in demand for the last half of the

  • quarter, we sold approximately 17% less total

  • megabits of memory quarter over quarter.

  • The footnotes to the financials in the press

  • release point out that the third quarter had a net

  • realizable value inventory adjustment of

  • $26 million. This inventory write-down is the

  • result of the analysis required under generally

  • accepted accounting principles. Therein, we

  • evaluated the quantities of products in finished

  • goods and work in process, the estimated period of

  • sale and the estimated sales price in the expected

  • period of sale.

  • Absent the $26 million write-down and absent the

  • effects of prior inventory write-downs, cost of

  • goods sold for the third quarter would have been

  • higher by an estimated $55 million.

  • Our best estimate of the amount of net realizable

  • value adjustments remaining in ending inventory at

  • third quarter is $110 million. We expect about

  • half of this remaining amount to work through the

  • fourth quarter.

  • Our supply arrangement with tech Singapore had a

  • significant positive effect on the gross margin in

  • the third quarter. With significant pricing

  • declines occurring since March, it is likely that

  • the gross margin on tech purchases in the fourth

  • quarter will closely approximate the margin on

  • wholly-owned products.

  • Micron Technology remains very well positioned

  • with cash and liquid investment balances

  • approximating $1.25 billion. And additionally,

  • the company has approximately 150 million in

  • liquid investments with stated maturities

  • exceeding one year, which are reported as other

  • long-term assets.

  • I'll turn the presentation over to Mike.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Thanks, Bill. As

  • expected, demand for memory from the computer

  • industry softened midway through our fiscal Q3,

  • although Micron and our customers were somewhat

  • surprised at the extent to which demand dropped.

  • As a result, the average selling prices for

  • Micron's D Ram product offering declined by about

  • 50% from their recent peak in the month of March.

  • I believe that this softening and associated price

  • pressure can be attributed principally to two

  • factors: Seasonal weakness in computer demand and

  • relative leveling of memory content per system.

  • Historical data suggests that the demand

  • seasonality issue will result in an uptick in PC

  • unit demand to occur in the second half of the

  • calendar year. This has typically resulted in a

  • 17% sequential increase in PC unit growth with

  • rallying points around the back-to-school and

  • Christmas selling seasons. I've yet to see strong

  • evidence of a re-acceleration of corporate IT

  • spending to supplement this seasonality. Any such

  • jump in corporate purchases would undoubtedly

  • result in a more robust demand environment.

  • There is no question that our customers became

  • concerned with rising memory prices during this

  • spring and backed off with respect to continuing

  • to ramp memory content per per system. The price

  • declines that have taken hold in the past two to

  • three months are easing the concerns and

  • uncertainties about memory supply and pricing. As

  • a result, we are observing a re-acceleration of

  • memory content growth and re-emphasis on memory as

  • a selling feature by many of our customers. When

  • corporate spending does bounce back, I expect a

  • boost in memory content for corporate desktops,

  • which are lagging substantially behind consumer

  • platforms at the present time.

  • I'd like to briefly address two significant

  • transitions that are underway this year. First,

  • the chip density move from 128 megabits to 256

  • megabits as the primary vehicle for mega bit

  • production. Micron is now producing more megabits

  • on 256 meg versus 128 meg and before the end of

  • the calendar year, we will be producing more

  • actual 256 mega bit units than 128 meg units, and

  • will have started mass production of a 512 meg

  • DRAM as well. While doing this, we are

  • maintaining stable supply of the lower-density

  • legacy memory devices that many of our customers

  • in the networking, communications, and consumer

  • space continue to utilize.

  • The second significant transition is the shift

  • from synchronous DRAM to double data rate

  • sychronous DRAM as the primary memory interface

  • for the PC entry. This transition is occurring

  • about as we expected and is seamless from both

  • Micron's and our customers' point of view.

  • Outside of the computer area, while we are not

  • seeing the explosive expansion of a couple of

  • years ago, we did experience solid sequential

  • growth of our business in the wireless

  • communications and data networking segments in the

  • quarter. In the networking space in particular,

  • our shipment and revenue performance in fiscal Q3

  • was the best we have seen in over a year. Our

  • broad memory product offering, which is becoming

  • richer as we move forward with the addition of

  • TCAMs, reduced latence DRAMs, and a variety of

  • other devices puts us in an excellent position to

  • capitalize on the growth and performance demands

  • in the netcom area as communications

  • infrastructure build-out continues. We continue

  • to enhance our low-cost model through advanced

  • technology deployment and timely asset

  • acquisition. This has and will continue to enable

  • Micron to thrive in a fiercely competitive

  • environment.

  • Now we are leveraging that model to further

  • cost-reduce standard memory products and also

  • bring more innovative products to the market that

  • are poised for strong growth.

  • Thank you very much, and with that, I'll turn it

  • back to Kip.

  • Kip Bedard

  • Thanks, Mike. What we'd

  • like to do now is take questions from callers.

  • Just a reminder, if you're using a speakerphone,

  • please pick up the handset when asks questions, so

  • that we can hear you clearly.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, sir. Ladies and

  • gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions and

  • comments. If you do have a question or comment,

  • please press the numbers 1 followed by 4 on your

  • keypad. If your question has already been asked

  • and you would like to remove yourself from the

  • queue, please press the pound key.

  • Our first question comes from Eric Ross. Please

  • announce your affiliation and proceed with your

  • question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • Yes. Investech. Maybe if I

  • could get a little more detail on what's going on

  • with the server products, particularly the 512 and

  • one gig products, what demand you perceive from

  • some of your customers over the next couple of

  • months.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • You know, Eric, it's

  • Mike speaking. I - at my fingertips, I don't

  • have a handle on specifically what demand is for

  • high-density 512 or 1 gig products, but nothing -

  • nothing extraordinary either negative or positive,

  • as far as I can see.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Once again, ladies and

  • gentlemen, if you do have a question or a comment,

  • please press the numbers 1, followed by 4 on your

  • keypad.

  • Our next question comes from Adam Parker. Please

  • announce your affiliation and proceed with your

  • question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • Sanford Bernstein.

  • In your 10-Ks in the past, you've broken out the

  • percent of refuse view from the JV. Is that

  • something you guys can do now? And also, Bill,

  • you stated that the JV was a positive influence on

  • the overall results in the quarter. You know,

  • what is your comment imply about pricing in Q4. I

  • mean could the JV still be negative in the

  • quarter?

  • Kip Bedard

  • We have indicated in the

  • 10-Q, in the previously filed 10-Q that the tech

  • semiconductor joint venture was a little more than

  • 20% of our product.

  • Analyst

  • Right.

  • Kip Bedard

  • And we have also indicated

  • that the relationship with that joint venture has

  • a lagging quarter pricing relationship. So you

  • can understand from the recent price decline that

  • there will be an impact in the fourth quarter as

  • the purchase of product from the joint venture in

  • the fourth quarter will be at higher pricing than

  • existed a number of months ago. Beyond that, I

  • think you'll just have to look to the pricing

  • relationship to do some modeling on your own.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. I thought that you had

  • said that you expected it to be closer to neutral

  • this quarter and that it was a positive in Q3.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • In Q3, it definitely was a

  • positive, as the lagging quarter effect was

  • working off of pricing which was considerably

  • lower late last year.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Right. All right.

  • Maybe switching gears, another question. I mean,

  • sort of at a higher level, what do you guys at

  • this point think your competitive advantages are

  • in the DRAM business and sort of excluding any

  • acquisitions, how can you roll market share here

  • in the next couple of quarters?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Well, I think our

  • objective is to utilize the capacity that we have

  • as most efficiently as possible. Obviously we

  • have the dominion site that we're going to go

  • through a conversion. Clearly, we think we're

  • still a low-cost producer as a result of our

  • process efficiency, and obviously we - we have a

  • lot of operations around the world to spread out

  • our R and D costs.

  • So we think we're in pretty good shape.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. That's great. Thanks a

  • lot.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, Mr. Parker.

  • Our next question of the evening comes from Joe

  • OSHA. Please enclose your affiliation and proceed

  • with your question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • Yeah. Hi, guys. Merrill

  • Lynch. A couple quickies. First, it seems like

  • the timetable in terms of the sell-through of

  • written-down inventory has shifted a little bit.

  • Can y'all give me some sense as to why, you know,

  • more of that appears to be occurring in the future

  • than in the present?

  • Secondly, you know, obviously inventory was up.

  • Can you give us some sense, you know, late in the

  • quarter we did start to see a little bit of

  • reversal in spot prices. Have you seen that

  • inventory number begin to move the other direction

  • at all?

  • And then third and finally, can you give us some

  • sense, to the extent you can, wafers, you know,

  • dye, whatever, into how much additional output the

  • Toshiba facility is going to add to your company?

  • Thanks.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • To the first part of your

  • question, Joe, at the second-quarter conference

  • call, we had indicated that we expected about 50%

  • of the then-remaining inventory write-down effect

  • to pass to the third quarter. We're repeating

  • that guidance, actually, now, at the third

  • quarter. It does - or it would theoretically

  • vary by way of product mix. As we looked at it

  • today, as we looked at it through the third

  • quarter close, it still looks about 50% of the

  • remaining $110 million will pass through Q4.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • On the inventory piece,

  • Joe - this is Mike speaking - yeah, our

  • inventory did go up throughout the quarter. Since

  • the end of the quarter - actually, in the last

  • couple weeks of the quarter, it basically remained

  • flat-ish and since the end of the quarter or since

  • we're three-and-a-half weeks into the new quarter,

  • it's come down slightly. That has coincided with

  • what I would perceive as a general uptick in

  • demand, both from the OEM side as well as the spot

  • side. On the spot side, it's resulted in a - in

  • a price pickup of in the range of 20 to 30% in the

  • spot market off the lows of three, four weeks ago.

  • Kip Bedard

  • And Joe, this is Kip. I'll

  • follow up on the wafer outs. Relative to the

  • Manassas facility, we're looking at between 3500

  • and 4,000 outs a week.

  • Analyst

  • And that's what it's doing now

  • or that's what it's capable of?

  • Kip Bedard

  • Yeah, we're on the lower

  • end of that today. It's actually capable of

  • significantly higher. On prior calls, we've

  • talked upwards in the neighborhood of 16 to

  • 20,000.

  • Analyst

  • Per - okay. Per week?

  • Kip Bedard

  • In terms of based on the

  • square footage that's available there.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. But it's facilitized to

  • produce less than that now, right.

  • Kip Bedard

  • That's right. It would

  • have to be - obviously, we would have to

  • facilitize it for the entire capacity to be

  • utilized there, and in all likelihood, in the time

  • frame, it would be 300 millimeter.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. So 300-mil could go

  • into that fab?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Yes, definitely.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you very much.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • You bet, Joe.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, Mr. OSHA. Our

  • next question of the evening comes from John

  • cross. Please announce your affiliation and

  • proceed with your question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • Morgan Stanley. Thanks.

  • Could you address or maybe talk about, if you

  • could, kind of the impact of the DOJ antitrust

  • investigation and the other things on the

  • industry, just big-picture, kind of time line, and

  • in your opinion, does that quell any potential

  • consolidation and just kind of looking big-picture

  • where the industry is now, given the demand/supply

  • situation?

  • Kip Bedard

  • Well, obviously we're -

  • this just occurred, so we don't really have

  • anything new to say beyond the press release would

  • you like to ask another question, John?

  • Analyst

  • Sure. Could you talk a little

  • bit more focused on the inventory side kind of the

  • inventory, is that - is inventories at OEMs lean

  • in the channel? Could you give a sense of kind of

  • where you think overall inventory is, at your

  • customers and out in the channel?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Sure. John, I'll

  • address that.

  • On the channel side - actually I won't address

  • the channel side. You'd have to ask our customers

  • that. I have no idea what they may or may not

  • have in the channels. With respect to what they

  • have in our - the hubs that we operate at the

  • customer sites, very little. We obviously manage

  • that inventory and it's at negligible levels right

  • now. My perception would be that the amount of

  • raw DRAM inventory they might be sitting on is

  • negligible, if not zero. The amount of inventory

  • that we have on our shelves is certainly up from

  • where it was a quarter ago but it's not

  • particularly concerning to me. It's significantly

  • lower than it was this time last year. So not -

  • not too concerned about it.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Maybe finally, capex,

  • just an update on spending for this fiscal year

  • and outlook for next?

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • Yeah. For fiscal year

  • '02, it will run between 900 million and a

  • billion. That really will fluctuate a little bit

  • just by timing of equipment deliveries here late

  • in the fiscal year.

  • For fiscal year '03, it could run at the billion

  • dollar levels, you know, pretty consistent with

  • fiscal year '02, or it could run as high as

  • 1.5 billion, depending upon just how market

  • conditions shape up late this year.

  • Analyst

  • So that would suggest that

  • there's quite a bit of spending remaining to be

  • done in the fiscal year, given the three quarters

  • to date?

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • Yes. The - there's about

  • 400 million which we are anticipating coming

  • through Q4, and as I mentioned, some of that could

  • slide into the first part of next year.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. All right. Thanks very

  • muchsome.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • Thanks, Joe.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from

  • John Joseph. Please announce your affiliation and

  • proceed with your question.

  • Analyst

  • Yes. Salomon Smith Barney.

  • Mike, just wanted to flesh out a little bit your

  • outlook on customer demand. Have you begun to see

  • any back-to-school pickup yet or when would you

  • expect to see that? And are you expecting, you

  • know, a sort of a - the normal seasonal second

  • half that you're talking about, or do you think

  • it's going to be less than normal?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Well, John, I've

  • seen - if I just take what our customers tell us,

  • I think I could probably generally categorize that

  • as typical seasonal increase in demand in the

  • second half. If we look at the recent take rates

  • or the recent buy rates from our major customers,

  • certainly over the past four-week period, they're

  • up significantly over the previous four-week

  • period. You know, in the range of greater than

  • 30% higher in terms of megabit consumption in the

  • last four weeks versus the preceding four weeks,

  • so those are positive signs from my viewpoint.

  • I'm not sure if that - that addressed your

  • question.

  • Analyst

  • Yeah. Are you beginning to

  • see - is this just a little inventory bounce or

  • is this the beginning of a - of a trend or is it

  • just really too early to know?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • You know, it's too

  • early to tell. I think - I think I could almost,

  • with certainty, say that some of this increase in

  • demand is due to a re-acceleration of memory

  • content per box. As far as whether this is an

  • early buildup of systems for back-to-school

  • selling season, I really couldn't say. I think

  • you'd probably be better off asking our customers

  • that question.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. A quick follow-up. The

  • recent uptick in spot market pricing, is that

  • partly because your sales were down? There's some

  • talk about (inaudible) having some manufacturing

  • problems. Do you think there was just less

  • product on the market so prices have ticked up a

  • little bit or do you think maybe demand pull or

  • maybe some of both.

  • Kip Bedard

  • I can only speak from our

  • standpoint, and we've had enough inventory to feed

  • into the spot market while prices have been going

  • up, so I don't think there have been a lot of

  • orders in the spot market that we weren't able to

  • fill. So I - the only thing I contribute it to

  • is demand.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, sir. Our next

  • question comes from Bill (inaudible). Please

  • announce your affiliation and proceed with your

  • question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • Advisors. And I was curious.

  • Relative to dominion, what was the effect in the

  • third quarter - in the third quarter,

  • specifically, and in the Q, you folks identified

  • the fact that basically that is a cost structure

  • equivalent to the current Micron cost structure,

  • and going back to the analysts' meeting, that

  • sounds a little bit different. Can you give us

  • some perspective there?

  • And then separately, megabit sales or demand, how

  • would you - what's the percentage change versus

  • the fiscal Q3 of '01, so the year-ago level? You

  • talked about a 17% sequential decline, looking for

  • year-over-year change also, please.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • On the Manassas operation,

  • or the dominion facility, until we have our

  • process technology and ramp the facility to a

  • noticeably higher volume, we aren't going to get

  • the benefit of the, if you will, fairly cheap

  • purchase price. So I think we indicated at -

  • early in the year, at the analysts' conference

  • that ultimately we would expect to enjoy a

  • noticeable benefit by way of the reduced purchase

  • price, but that really will not be enjoyed until

  • we can get the process technology and the ramp

  • completed.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Bill, on the second

  • part of your question, I don't have those numbers

  • at my fingertips but I'm happy to follow up with

  • you after the call.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from

  • David Wu. Please announce your affiliation and

  • proceed with your question, David.

  • Analyst

  • Yes, Wedbush Morgan

  • securities. Gentlemen, what was the production -

  • I know what the shipments were. What were the

  • production ramp in the third quarter and what are

  • your plans for Q4?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • David, we were up

  • about - approximately 30% sequential bit growth

  • production and we're looking at about high teens

  • for our fiscal Q4 over fiscal Q3.

  • Analyst

  • Do you expect inventory to be

  • down?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • I can't make any

  • prediction on what direction inventories are going

  • to go. Obviously that's going to depend on what

  • we see in terms of back to school and box loading.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, Mr. Wu.

  • Our next question comes from Dan Niles. Please

  • enclose your affiliation and proceed with your

  • question.

  • Analyst

  • Lehman Brothers. Steve, maybe

  • this is for you, you know, when - as you look at

  • how pricing sort of gets set in the DRAM industry,

  • you know, now with less players relative to, you

  • know, how it was sort of getting set four or five

  • years ago when there were more players, it doesn't

  • seem as though there's a whole lot more stability

  • right now or that it's, you know, getting set in

  • any particularly different way than it was four or

  • five years ago, in terms of supply and demand

  • really driving the pricing levels as opposed to

  • something else that's happening out there.

  • I mean, what's your kind of take on where pricing

  • is and, you know, how that's moving around and

  • fluctuating?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Well, there's still a

  • lot of players in the industry, so supply and

  • demand, as far as we can tell, still dictates what

  • happens in the marketplace.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. And then how much

  • effect do you think things like the natural

  • consolidation you're seeing in the industry -

  • obviously, you know, you've gone ahead and bought

  • the Manassas facility and obviously there's talks

  • about what Heinicks will or will not be able to

  • going forward. You know, sort of how do you see

  • that having influenced pricing over the last, you

  • know, quarter or two and, you know, what kind of

  • impact, if any, do you sees that kind of as we go

  • through the rest of this year, given some of the

  • public statements made by the Koreans in terms of

  • their plans to, you know, do something with

  • Heinicks or not.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Well, I don't have any

  • input on historical impact and maybe this is an

  • opportunity just to give you a quick update on

  • Heinicks. We don't have any ongoing discussions

  • with them right now and I think it's obvious that

  • Heinicks has their own set of challenges to go

  • through before they ultimately decide what happens

  • with that company between the creditors. The

  • shareholders of the company and so forth. So we

  • are somewhat just in a neutral position right now

  • with no engagement.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. And then maybe Mike,

  • this is for you. Two things that seem to be

  • happening. It seems as though DDR demand has

  • picked up pretty rapidly, and could you now talk

  • about, you know, the inventory of DDR that you

  • actually have available, you know, relative to the

  • SDRAM stuff and the trends you're seeing there,

  • because it seems, at least from my vantage point,

  • that DDR production, from a global basis, is maybe

  • not been ramped as hard as need be, given some of

  • the demand that we're seeing out there from the PC

  • vendors.

  • And the second thing is, in terms of commercial PC

  • memory per box, it's about 177, I think, with

  • consumer around 275, and that's a pretty big

  • difference between the two. Can you kind of talk

  • about, you know, why you think it's so wide right

  • now, and then where you think that gap might be by

  • the end of this year or early next year?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Okay. On the - the

  • first question, I probably would have answered it

  • differently, had you asked me a month ago. I

  • think we - I can't speak for our competitors but

  • I think we were ahead of the curve in terms of

  • ramping our DDR production more rapidly than the

  • market was willing to take or was able to take,

  • and that's changed quite a bit in the last 30

  • days, Dan. As you - as you mentioned, DDR demand

  • has picked up quite a bit. I would presume that's

  • tied to the chip set support of DDR that happens

  • to be available in the market for some

  • high-performance P4 systems, and our inventory

  • levels, I don't have the - the numbers -

  • specific numbers at my fingertips but they have

  • come down, specifically oDDR in the past - in the

  • past 30 days or so, and I think we're - we're

  • poised for a pretty - pretty steep ramp here of

  • DDR penetration through the second half of the

  • year.

  • So generally, about as we have been depicting,

  • although we did get ahead of the curve a little

  • bit on DDR production in the spring time. At

  • least ahead of what the market was able to digest.

  • But I don't think that's the case at this point

  • anymore.

  • On the consumer versus commercial PC, you're

  • correct. There is a very significant disparity

  • with respect to - at least according to the

  • third-party sources that monitor this memory

  • content per system.

  • I think it's on the order of a hundred and

  • seventy, a hundred and eighty megabits for a

  • commercial desktop versus 270 for a consumer PC.

  • I think the principal reason for the disparity is

  • due to the high attach rate of Windows XP for the

  • consumer platforms. If I'm not mistaken, it's

  • very close to a hundred percent. And most of

  • those systems are either demanding or being loaded

  • with 256 megabytes of memory. At least 256

  • megabytes of memory.

  • I would attribute the lag on commercial desktop -

  • which, by the way, is relatively unprecedented.

  • This has not been the case, with the exception of

  • the last year. I would attribute it to lackluster

  • demand for - on the commercial side, hesitance of

  • corporations to do spending for IT equipment, and

  • as a result, very low penetration rates of Windows

  • XP in the commercial space.

  • If we - I would presume, based on my own

  • knowledge as well as what customers are telling

  • us, that when we do see an uptick in spending for

  • IT equipment from corporations, an increase in

  • memory content per box will accompany that. But

  • we've yet to see it to date.

  • Analyst

  • I guess is there any reason in

  • the future where - why those two numbers - and

  • maybe it's not six months, maybe it's more like 12

  • months. That when you get that upgrade cycle on

  • the commercial side, that the commercial box

  • loading numbers won't get close to the consumer

  • stuff? Obviously, you've got things like graphics

  • Ram and stuff that's higher on the consumer side

  • but -

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • That's correct.

  • Typically a consumer PC will have a higher content

  • of graphics memory but if you look at historical

  • data, which we obviously track pretty closely,

  • typically the commercial PC is a leading indicator

  • or actually higher memory content per system than

  • the consumer PC, and I am not aware of any reason

  • that those two won't be closely aligned here, once

  • the market normalizes somewhat.

  • Analyst

  • Great. Well, thank you very

  • much.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Sure.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from

  • Charles Boshear. Please announce your affiliation

  • and proceed with your question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • It's Bear Stearns, and just a

  • couple of follow-up questions to earlier ones.

  • First, could you roughly break out what your

  • percentage of DDR wafer starts are today, and just

  • was wondering if you could provide a little color

  • on how the quarter developed. With a 17% decline

  • in bits shipped, was that something that was

  • fairly weak throughout the quarter or did things

  • take more of a sharp downturn in the last month or

  • so?

  • Kip Bedard

  • Charles, I'll take the

  • first part of that. This is Kip. We're running

  • today approximately 30 to 35% of our wafer outside

  • on DDR. The sales guys have - have that

  • increasing to around 40% in our fiscal Q4 and then

  • over 50% as we get into the fall time frame.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • On the - the

  • uniformity of the demand, if you will, throughout

  • the quarter, we saw things start to deteriorate or

  • start to soften in the first month of the quarter.

  • If I'm not mistaken, our - probably our weakest

  • shipment month in terms of megabits, was the

  • middle month of the quarter, but we saw things

  • start to weaken pretty quickly in the quarter and

  • the prices actually started to degrade towards the

  • end of the first month.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. And you - you have

  • seen a pickup in the last 30 days in terms of bit

  • shipments and prices and inventories have started

  • to - the needle is starting to move back the

  • other way a little bit is what it sounds like. Is

  • that correct?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • We absolutely have.

  • We're three-and-a-half weeks into a new quarter,

  • and the - you know, whatever metric you choose,

  • whether it's the average selling price or the

  • megabit shipments or the DDR take rate, things

  • have definitely improved in the last

  • three-and-a-half weeks.

  • Analyst

  • And when - last question is:

  • When do you expect to see your first increase in

  • output from the Manassas facility?

  • Kip Bedard

  • Right now, the - the

  • manufacturing plan is to keep it in that 3500 to

  • 4,000 wafer outs. We get it transitioned over to

  • our technology sometime towards the end of the

  • year and after that, the market will kind of

  • determine, Charles, how we ramp.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Great. Thanks very

  • much.

  • Kip Bedard

  • You bet.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from

  • Hans Mosesmon. Please announce your affiliation

  • and proceed with your question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • Yes. Prudential. A question

  • regarding the mix of your DRAMs by technology

  • node. Thanks.

  • Kip Bedard

  • Sure. Do you have anything

  • specific or do you want me to just to run through

  • them real quickly?

  • Analyst

  • Yeah. .13, .15, what

  • percentage of your wafer outs -

  • Kip Bedard

  • Sure, sure. In Q3,

  • question ran about 30% of our output at .18.

  • We're over 60% at .15. And we're high single

  • digits on the .13. And that's starting to move up

  • pretty rapidly here in the next couple of

  • quarters. We're still on target to have the sites

  • worldwide converted to our .13 technology sometime

  • early next year. Calendar year.

  • Analyst

  • That's it. Thanks a lot.

  • Kip Bedard

  • You bet, Hans.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from

  • Nema (inaudible). Please announce your

  • affiliation and proceed with your question.

  • Mr. (inaudible), your line is live.

  • Our next question comes from Dan Scovel. Please

  • announce your affiliation and proceed with your

  • question, sir

  • Analyst

  • Yes. Needham and Company.

  • Can you comment on your mix of spot market

  • business and - and the prices as they sort of

  • unfolded throughout the quarter and where they're

  • at now?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Yes. Today - let me

  • answer the last part first. Today they're in the

  • range of around 2, 250 from one megabit equivalent

  • and that would be the same for DDR or SDRAM and

  • throughout the quarter, they went down. I think

  • probably in the quarter that we're talking about,

  • the lowest price is probably the price on the last

  • day, if I'm not mistaken, and our mix of business

  • was - we put approximately 15 to 20% of our

  • material in the spot market in the quarter.

  • Analyst

  • Is - has that going - is

  • that trending upward now or is that staying pretty

  • steady.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • You mean since the end

  • of the quarter?

  • Analyst

  • Yes.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • It - I don't have that

  • data at my fingertips.

  • Analyst

  • You earlier mentioned 300-mil.

  • What is your current plans of looking at the

  • 300-mil conversion?

  • Kip Bedard

  • I pretty much on track with

  • what we had announced before. You've probably

  • seen some orders being released for

  • 300-millimeter. Those are headed into the

  • Virginia facility. We expect those to land there

  • sometime this fall, and then again, a lot of that

  • is how we ramp the 300-millimeter just depends on

  • market conditions and the cost competitiveness of

  • 300-millimeter versus 200.

  • Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes

  • as a follow-up from Joe OSHA. Your line is life,

  • sir.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks. Just to go

  • back to the - the inventory situation a little

  • bit, do you - are you able to form a sense, you

  • know, maybe not looking at distributors, per se,

  • but whether there was an inventory build earlier

  • in your quarter at - you know, at your customers

  • that attenuated as the quarter progressed, or do

  • you have any sense that have at all?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • I think - again, this

  • would just be my opinion I've formed through

  • looking at a variety of data, Joe.

  • I believe that some of our customers probably

  • built some inventory in the first month of our

  • fiscal quarter, which would have been March,

  • because they had concerns about price movement as

  • well as concerns about just strictly supply

  • through the second quarter, and I think they were

  • somewhat surprised by some weakness in demand for

  • systems, and as a result, they bled off inventory

  • throughout our quarter. My perception would be

  • that they don't have inventory today.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. And then also, I - you

  • may have commented on this. I'm sorry if you

  • missed it. Or if I missed it. Are you still

  • seeing 256 meg versus 128 meg premium in per bit

  • terms, and if you are, what's driving that?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • They are today selling

  • at virtual bit - price per bit parity.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. There had been some

  • speculation that there was unusual weakness in the

  • notebook market. Does the 128 versus 256 pricing

  • give you any insight into that, or do you have

  • anything - any observation to offer there?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • With respect to your

  • comment, it's a little surprised. You know, if

  • there were one particular item that were - I

  • would characterize it being in very high demand,

  • it would be the particular configuration of a 256

  • megabit DRAM that's used for a notebook module.

  • The 16 megabit by 16 DRAM. But, no, I - no

  • comment other than that.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks a lot.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, Mr. OSHA. Our

  • next question of the evening comes from ma nearby

  • guy yeah. Employee's announce your affiliation

  • and employee with your question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • Yeah. (inaudible). Could you

  • please talk about what was the sequential bit

  • production growth during the quarter?

  • Kip Bedard

  • Yeah, ma nearby, this is

  • Kip. Yeah, we were up approximately 30% in our

  • fiscal Q3 over Q2 for production.

  • Analyst

  • And could you talk about the

  • cost per bit or just the cost of a part, where you

  • are for 256 meg part?

  • Kip Bedard

  • We don't want to give out

  • any specifics on that, as we know that most of our

  • competitors are probably listening to us, but I

  • can tell you that based on where we are in terms

  • of wafer outs per week and where we are in terms

  • of beginning the transition to .13, our costs are

  • roughly equal to where we were a couple of

  • quarters ago. And as I mentioned earlier, we have

  • some pretty - some pretty big moves going to .13

  • here and with the Manassas facility on and we'll

  • have three months of that, then we should be able

  • to have a couple quarters here of reducing cost

  • per bit.

  • Analyst

  • So on an average, did your

  • cost for a 128 meg part or 256 meg part decline

  • sequentially?

  • Kip Bedard

  • Well we're not going again

  • answer any specific questions on that.

  • Analyst

  • I see. Now, if - once you

  • include the Toshiba factory in your next quarter,

  • do you think the cost of part on an average will

  • decline? Despite the benefit in Boise, do you

  • think the Toshiba facttory alone will carry higher

  • cost. Do you think on a what of average will it

  • be a wash or do you think on an average your costs

  • will improve.

  • Kip Bedard

  • I just don't want to goes

  • into making any predictions really at this time,

  • Maneesh. Sorry.

  • Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from

  • Ty Nguyen. Please announce your proceeds and

  • proceed with your question.

  • Analyst

  • Yeah, Robertson Stevens. I

  • have a question. Do you see any pickup in demand

  • in the wireless -

  • Kip Bedard

  • We're having a tough time

  • hearing you. If you wouldn't mind speaking up for

  • us.

  • Analyst

  • Sorry about that. Yeah. Do

  • you see any demand improvement in the wireless in

  • the handset for your SRAM in the flash business?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • We have seen some

  • steady improvement in the wireless business.

  • Nothing to get too excited about, but demand has

  • gotten better from our perspective, at any rate.

  • In the past couple of quarters.

  • Analyst

  • And what percentage of your

  • wafer out or your megabit sell contributed to

  • flash and SRAM?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • It's in the single

  • digits. 5%. Slightly less than that, possibly.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. And one last question.

  • What is your capex for this quarter?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • The capex? We're

  • sorry. We didn't quite catch that.

  • Analyst

  • For this quarter. What was

  • your number for capex.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Oh, for Q3.

  • Analyst

  • For Q3, question.

  • Kip Bedard

  • I think it was just over

  • 200 million in Q3 and as we indicated, it could

  • run 400 million in Q4.

  • Analyst

  • In Q4. Okay. Great. All

  • right. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from

  • Don Moriarity. Please announce your affiliation

  • and proceed with your question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • My question has been answered,

  • thank you.

  • Kip Bedard

  • Thanks, do not, next

  • question please.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from

  • Ben Lynch. Please notify your affiliation and

  • proceed with your question.

  • Analyst

  • Yeah. Ben Lynch with Deutsche

  • Banc. I just wanted to go back to another

  • question. Could I confirm that there was no

  • contribution at all from dominion in these

  • results?

  • Kip Bedard

  • In terms of contribution,

  • you mean -

  • Analyst

  • In terms of sales or inventory

  • change or pro - yeah, anything in the reported

  • accounts.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • We picked up the results

  • of consolidation for dominion for - I'll have to

  • double-check. I can't think whether it's nine

  • weeks. I'll have to double-check the number of

  • weeks in this quarter. But, yes, the Manassas

  • operation is part of the results. Kip had

  • indicated earlier that it has run 3500 to 4,000

  • wafer outs for the number of weeks, and

  • (inaudible).

  • Analyst

  • So the 30% Q on Q production

  • growth includes nine weeks of dominion and the -

  • I think the 19% change - sorry if I don't - I

  • don't worry about the number, but the change in

  • your bits shipped also includes contribution from

  • dominion and the change in inventories also

  • includes contribution from dominion. Could you

  • sort of give us a feel for on each one of these

  • how much - the first one you've done. On the

  • other two, how much is coming from dominion,

  • please.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • I'll double-check the

  • number of weeks of dominion output that's in this

  • quarter and we'll clarify that before the end of

  • the call.

  • And your second question was that - the amount of

  • increased inventory?

  • Analyst

  • Yes. Please.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • We'll come back for those.

  • Kip Bedard

  • Yeah. One way to look at

  • that, if you'd like is we're - as an entire

  • manufacturing organization, we're running mid-to

  • upper 40,000 wafer outs a week, and so if you put

  • that in reference to the 3500 to the 4,000, that

  • will get you pretty close.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Great. So, yeah, that

  • was the first question.

  • Also, you didn't know for sure how the contracts

  • (inaudible) mix had been in the first part of this

  • quarter. Given that coming out of the last

  • quarter, you were basically selling nothing on the

  • spot market and this was sort of explaining why

  • there was this big delta between spot prices and

  • contract prices, what would be your expectations

  • for the current quarter? Is the spot percentage

  • likely to increase further or do you think it's

  • sort of settled in the sort of 15, 20% range?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • I think that's going to

  • be a function of demand. You know, now that spot

  • prices are either at parity or higher than OEM

  • prices, certainly our OEM customers are not

  • compelled to dabble in the spot market, so that

  • may have a dampening effect on demand in the spot

  • market. But, you know, it's - I've given up

  • trying to predict what's going to happen in the

  • spot market here in the short-term.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Yeah, I wasn't

  • necessarily trying to predict what happens with

  • spot prices. More just is the looseness - is the

  • market loosening to an extent that, you know,

  • there is going to be more stuff flowing through

  • spot rather than contract pricing, but . . . No

  • view, no view.

  • Kip Bedard

  • I think that's difficult to

  • predict right now.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Also the question which

  • was posed on the Department of Justice and you not

  • really having anything new to say, if I tried a

  • more specific question, could we give that a shot?

  • Kip Bedard

  • You can always ask.

  • Analyst

  • I'll try anyway. Could you at

  • least identify the sort of period that they're

  • investigating? Is it the period during which

  • prices fell precipitously or is it the period

  • during which prices rose surprisingly?

  • Kip Bedard

  • Yeah. Unfortunately we

  • won't be able to answer that question either.

  • Sorry about that.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. And the last question I

  • have is, the one to one point five billion capex

  • number, is the delta there likely to be 300-mil

  • investment or 200-mil.

  • Kip Bedard

  • It's probably more market

  • condition-based. We will continue to go through

  • an analysis of the cost competitiveness of both of

  • those, but throughout the year, it's really

  • probably more market based.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • Yeah. One moment that

  • is, I think, relevant to that question is that in

  • a very short period of time, all of the

  • 200-millimeter equipment that you buy will be

  • 300-millimeter capable as well, either with a

  • chamber change or something to that effect. So as

  • we go through time over the next 12 months,

  • obviously we have some specific 300-millimeter

  • equipment we're buying, but in general, you should

  • be able to - you should expect that the

  • 200-millimeter equipment will be very similar or

  • the same as 300-millimeter equipment and it can

  • run either one, depending on what conversion you

  • want to do.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Great. Okay. Kip,

  • I'll probably just check become with you at a

  • later stage on this dominion, just clarifying

  • compe the contribution from dominion.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • We can update - had I

  • made a reference to the nine weeks. I was off a

  • month there. It's five - excuse me. It's a

  • little more than five weeks of production or

  • output from dominion that's included in these

  • consolidated results.

  • With regard to increase in inventory, work in

  • process and finished goods, it's only a few

  • percentage points effect of dominion.

  • Analyst

  • Great. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Our next

  • question comes from Doug Lee. Please announce

  • your affiliation and proceed with your question.

  • Analyst

  • Hi. Banc of America

  • Securities. Kip, I was wondering if you can give

  • a rundown of what the current wafer start is by

  • product density and then a quick follow-up for

  • Mike.

  • Kip Bedard

  • Well, I can give you a

  • little bit by - by product density, we're well

  • over 50% of our wafer outs now are 256 meg. The

  • 64 meg is more maintenance mode and it's been

  • hanging right around kind of the 8% range.

  • We have now some starts on the 512 and then the

  • balance would primarily be 128 meg.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Terrific. And then

  • Mike, you mentioned - you made some comment that

  • spot prices are at or above OEM prices. Is

  • that - did I hear that right?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • That is correct.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Any chance you guys can

  • give us a - maybe just a range of where contracts

  • are being signed at right now?

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • In the - on the 128

  • meg equivalent basis in the 2 to 250 range.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Terrific. Thank you

  • very much.

  • Kip Bedard

  • Thanks, Doug.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, Mr. Lee. Our

  • next question of the evening comes from Scott

  • Randall. Please notify your affiliation and

  • proceed with your question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • Yeah. Hi. Thanks.

  • Soundview. Bill, I wonder if I can circle back to

  • the cost line. I want to reconcile a little bit

  • the comment relative to kind of the $55 million

  • that you sort of add back - simple math here -

  • simplified math, rather, does that get me roughly

  • to a - you know, kind of a steady state cost in

  • sort of looking at manufacturing margin, maybe.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • Well, the intent of our

  • disclosure there is to indeed allow you to take

  • out the effect of NRV adjustments from this and

  • all prior periods, so the 55 million-ish would be

  • what you would add back to however you were

  • otherwise modeling, if that was your question.

  • Analyst

  • Correct. And that's a pretty

  • close approximation at this point?

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • That is our best

  • calculation of the effect in Q3, correct.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks. Then secondly,

  • wondering, as you folks look at the market and I'm

  • not sure this might be for Mike or - or Kip

  • maybe, but relative to the market share that you

  • think you had during the quarter, would you

  • suggest that you - you gained market share, held

  • market share? Any really noticeable change there

  • expected that you had?

  • Kip Bedard

  • Scott, you know, we haven't

  • seen any of the independent tracking data yet, so

  • we - we don't know yet at this point.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. I mean, anecdotally,

  • talking to customers, is there any reason to

  • believe that you - you could have lost share in

  • any, you know, given density or segment or just

  • too tough to say?

  • Kip Bedard

  • No.

  • Analyst

  • Okay. And then finally, I

  • know you normally don't break out inventory by -

  • by segmentation, but I know in the press release,

  • it talks about a significant increase in finished

  • goods. Any chance I could get those numbers

  • before you, ahead of the 10-Q.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • We won't be able to

  • provide a detailed breakout of that growth, no.

  • Analyst

  • Is it safe to say that the

  • majority of the dollar increase was in - was in

  • finished?

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • I'm sorry, I couldn't hear

  • the last part of the question.

  • Analyst

  • Yeah. Just wondering if it's

  • safe to say that the majority of the dollar

  • increase was in finished goods.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • Actually, that would not

  • be a good assumption, Scott. If you remember, we

  • ran, on average - if you just look at (inaudible)

  • itself, you were running high 30,000 wafer outs a

  • week and as we indicated we're now mid-to upper

  • 40,000, so that's a big part of your delta in

  • dollars as well.

  • Analyst

  • Got it. Okay. Great. Thank

  • you.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • Our press release comment

  • was with regard to fin significant increase in

  • finished good.

  • Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales

  • And Mike has given some

  • characterization of how that level has changed

  • after quarter end.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Our next

  • question comes from Larry Bergman. Please

  • announce your affiliation and proceed with your

  • question, sir.

  • Analyst

  • Cantor Weiss. I just want to

  • clarify the average selling price during the

  • quarter for both 128 and 256, and if you could

  • compare it with the prior quarter as well.

  • Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO

  • The information we have

  • provided in the press release indicated on per

  • megabit basis the average in Q3 was 44% higher

  • than Q2. A couple reference points for you. 128

  • meg sync that we had indicated in Q2 was about

  • 250, moved to between 450 and $5 in Q3. DDR just

  • increased modestly on the 128 meg. We had already

  • indicated that on the 256 meg sync, our Q2 was a

  • little less than 6 bucks, Q3 close to 10 bucks,

  • and on the DDR, just about 8 bucks in Q2, and

  • about 9 bucks in Q3.

  • Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Kip Bedard

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