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Operator
Good evening, ladies and
gentlemen, and welcome to the Micron Technology
third-quarter fiscal year 2002 conference call.
At this time, all participants have been placed in
a listen-only mode and the floor will be open for
your questions and comments following the
presentation.
I said now like to turn the floor over to your
host, Kip Bedard. Sir, the floor is yours.
Kip Bedard
Thank you and I'd like to
welcome to Micron Technology's third-quarter of
fiscal year 2002 conference call. On the call
today are Steve Appleton, chairman, CEO and
president, Bill Stover, vice president of finance
and chief financial officer, and Mike Sadler,
vice president of worldwide sales.
This conference call, including audio and slides,
is also available on Micron's home page on the
internet at www.Micron.com.
If you have not had an opportunity to review the
earnings press release, it is available on our
website at www.Micron.com. Our call will be
approximately 60 minutes in length. There will be
a taped replay of this call available later this
evening at 5:30 p.m. mountain daylight time. You
can reach that by dialing 973-341-3080, with a
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will run through Thursday, June 27th, 2002, at
5:30 p.m., mountain daylight time. The webcast
replay is available through July 2nd, 2002.
We encourage you to monitor our website at
www.Micron.com throughout the quarter for the most
current information on the company, including
information on the various financial conferences
that we will be attending.
During the course of this call, we may make
projections or other forward-looking statements
regarding future events or the future financial
performance of the company, and the industry.
We wish to caution you that such statements are
predictions and that actual events or results may
differ materially.
We refer you to the documents the company files on
a consolidated basis from time to time with the
Securities and Exchange Commission. Specifically,
the company's most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q.
These documents contain and identify important
factors that could cause the actual results for
the company on a consolidated basis to differ
materially from those contained in our projections
or forward-looking statements.
These certain factors can be found on the
company's website.
Although we believe that the expectations
reflected in the forward-looking statements are
reasonable, we cannot guarantee future results,
levels of activity, performance, or achievements.
We are under no duty to update any of the
forward-looking statements after the date of the
presentation to conform these statements to actual
results. And with that, I'd like to turn the call
now over to Mr. Bill Stover.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
Thanks, Kip. Let's run
through the results for the quarter ended
May 30th.
For our third quarter, sales totaled $771 million,
and the company had a loss of 24 million, or 4
cents per share. For the immediately preceding
quarter, sales totaled 646 million, and the
company recorded a loss of $30 million, or 5 cents
per share.
Our third fiscal quarter's results covering March,
April and May were noticeably influenced by
volatile market conditions. Late last calendar
year, the semiconductor memory industry
experienced higher than expected demand, falling
inventories, and increasing selling prices. These
conditions continued into late March of this year,
when inventory levels bottomed and pricing peaked.
Since early April, selling prices have fallen
appreciably. For instance, the 256 Meg sync,
which was selling for about $10 in late March,
sold for approximately $5 in early June. With
softening in demand for the last half of the
quarter, we sold approximately 17% less total
megabits of memory quarter over quarter.
The footnotes to the financials in the press
release point out that the third quarter had a net
realizable value inventory adjustment of
$26 million. This inventory write-down is the
result of the analysis required under generally
accepted accounting principles. Therein, we
evaluated the quantities of products in finished
goods and work in process, the estimated period of
sale and the estimated sales price in the expected
period of sale.
Absent the $26 million write-down and absent the
effects of prior inventory write-downs, cost of
goods sold for the third quarter would have been
higher by an estimated $55 million.
Our best estimate of the amount of net realizable
value adjustments remaining in ending inventory at
third quarter is $110 million. We expect about
half of this remaining amount to work through the
fourth quarter.
Our supply arrangement with tech Singapore had a
significant positive effect on the gross margin in
the third quarter. With significant pricing
declines occurring since March, it is likely that
the gross margin on tech purchases in the fourth
quarter will closely approximate the margin on
wholly-owned products.
Micron Technology remains very well positioned
with cash and liquid investment balances
approximating $1.25 billion. And additionally,
the company has approximately 150 million in
liquid investments with stated maturities
exceeding one year, which are reported as other
long-term assets.
I'll turn the presentation over to Mike.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Thanks, Bill. As
expected, demand for memory from the computer
industry softened midway through our fiscal Q3,
although Micron and our customers were somewhat
surprised at the extent to which demand dropped.
As a result, the average selling prices for
Micron's D Ram product offering declined by about
50% from their recent peak in the month of March.
I believe that this softening and associated price
pressure can be attributed principally to two
factors: Seasonal weakness in computer demand and
relative leveling of memory content per system.
Historical data suggests that the demand
seasonality issue will result in an uptick in PC
unit demand to occur in the second half of the
calendar year. This has typically resulted in a
17% sequential increase in PC unit growth with
rallying points around the back-to-school and
Christmas selling seasons. I've yet to see strong
evidence of a re-acceleration of corporate IT
spending to supplement this seasonality. Any such
jump in corporate purchases would undoubtedly
result in a more robust demand environment.
There is no question that our customers became
concerned with rising memory prices during this
spring and backed off with respect to continuing
to ramp memory content per per system. The price
declines that have taken hold in the past two to
three months are easing the concerns and
uncertainties about memory supply and pricing. As
a result, we are observing a re-acceleration of
memory content growth and re-emphasis on memory as
a selling feature by many of our customers. When
corporate spending does bounce back, I expect a
boost in memory content for corporate desktops,
which are lagging substantially behind consumer
platforms at the present time.
I'd like to briefly address two significant
transitions that are underway this year. First,
the chip density move from 128 megabits to 256
megabits as the primary vehicle for mega bit
production. Micron is now producing more megabits
on 256 meg versus 128 meg and before the end of
the calendar year, we will be producing more
actual 256 mega bit units than 128 meg units, and
will have started mass production of a 512 meg
DRAM as well. While doing this, we are
maintaining stable supply of the lower-density
legacy memory devices that many of our customers
in the networking, communications, and consumer
space continue to utilize.
The second significant transition is the shift
from synchronous DRAM to double data rate
sychronous DRAM as the primary memory interface
for the PC entry. This transition is occurring
about as we expected and is seamless from both
Micron's and our customers' point of view.
Outside of the computer area, while we are not
seeing the explosive expansion of a couple of
years ago, we did experience solid sequential
growth of our business in the wireless
communications and data networking segments in the
quarter. In the networking space in particular,
our shipment and revenue performance in fiscal Q3
was the best we have seen in over a year. Our
broad memory product offering, which is becoming
richer as we move forward with the addition of
TCAMs, reduced latence DRAMs, and a variety of
other devices puts us in an excellent position to
capitalize on the growth and performance demands
in the netcom area as communications
infrastructure build-out continues. We continue
to enhance our low-cost model through advanced
technology deployment and timely asset
acquisition. This has and will continue to enable
Micron to thrive in a fiercely competitive
environment.
Now we are leveraging that model to further
cost-reduce standard memory products and also
bring more innovative products to the market that
are poised for strong growth.
Thank you very much, and with that, I'll turn it
back to Kip.
Kip Bedard
Thanks, Mike. What we'd
like to do now is take questions from callers.
Just a reminder, if you're using a speakerphone,
please pick up the handset when asks questions, so
that we can hear you clearly.
Operator
Thank you, sir. Ladies and
gentlemen, the floor is now open for questions and
comments. If you do have a question or comment,
please press the numbers 1 followed by 4 on your
keypad. If your question has already been asked
and you would like to remove yourself from the
queue, please press the pound key.
Our first question comes from Eric Ross. Please
announce your affiliation and proceed with your
question, sir.
Analyst
Yes. Investech. Maybe if I
could get a little more detail on what's going on
with the server products, particularly the 512 and
one gig products, what demand you perceive from
some of your customers over the next couple of
months.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
You know, Eric, it's
Mike speaking. I - at my fingertips, I don't
have a handle on specifically what demand is for
high-density 512 or 1 gig products, but nothing -
nothing extraordinary either negative or positive,
as far as I can see.
Analyst
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Once again, ladies and
gentlemen, if you do have a question or a comment,
please press the numbers 1, followed by 4 on your
keypad.
Our next question comes from Adam Parker. Please
announce your affiliation and proceed with your
question, sir.
Analyst
Sanford Bernstein.
In your 10-Ks in the past, you've broken out the
percent of refuse view from the JV. Is that
something you guys can do now? And also, Bill,
you stated that the JV was a positive influence on
the overall results in the quarter. You know,
what is your comment imply about pricing in Q4. I
mean could the JV still be negative in the
quarter?
Kip Bedard
We have indicated in the
10-Q, in the previously filed 10-Q that the tech
semiconductor joint venture was a little more than
20% of our product.
Analyst
Right.
Kip Bedard
And we have also indicated
that the relationship with that joint venture has
a lagging quarter pricing relationship. So you
can understand from the recent price decline that
there will be an impact in the fourth quarter as
the purchase of product from the joint venture in
the fourth quarter will be at higher pricing than
existed a number of months ago. Beyond that, I
think you'll just have to look to the pricing
relationship to do some modeling on your own.
Analyst
Okay. I thought that you had
said that you expected it to be closer to neutral
this quarter and that it was a positive in Q3.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
In Q3, it definitely was a
positive, as the lagging quarter effect was
working off of pricing which was considerably
lower late last year.
Analyst
Okay. Right. All right.
Maybe switching gears, another question. I mean,
sort of at a higher level, what do you guys at
this point think your competitive advantages are
in the DRAM business and sort of excluding any
acquisitions, how can you roll market share here
in the next couple of quarters?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Well, I think our
objective is to utilize the capacity that we have
as most efficiently as possible. Obviously we
have the dominion site that we're going to go
through a conversion. Clearly, we think we're
still a low-cost producer as a result of our
process efficiency, and obviously we - we have a
lot of operations around the world to spread out
our R and D costs.
So we think we're in pretty good shape.
Analyst
Okay. That's great. Thanks a
lot.
Operator
Thank you, Mr. Parker.
Our next question of the evening comes from Joe
OSHA. Please enclose your affiliation and proceed
with your question, sir.
Analyst
Yeah. Hi, guys. Merrill
Lynch. A couple quickies. First, it seems like
the timetable in terms of the sell-through of
written-down inventory has shifted a little bit.
Can y'all give me some sense as to why, you know,
more of that appears to be occurring in the future
than in the present?
Secondly, you know, obviously inventory was up.
Can you give us some sense, you know, late in the
quarter we did start to see a little bit of
reversal in spot prices. Have you seen that
inventory number begin to move the other direction
at all?
And then third and finally, can you give us some
sense, to the extent you can, wafers, you know,
dye, whatever, into how much additional output the
Toshiba facility is going to add to your company?
Thanks.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
To the first part of your
question, Joe, at the second-quarter conference
call, we had indicated that we expected about 50%
of the then-remaining inventory write-down effect
to pass to the third quarter. We're repeating
that guidance, actually, now, at the third
quarter. It does - or it would theoretically
vary by way of product mix. As we looked at it
today, as we looked at it through the third
quarter close, it still looks about 50% of the
remaining $110 million will pass through Q4.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
On the inventory piece,
Joe - this is Mike speaking - yeah, our
inventory did go up throughout the quarter. Since
the end of the quarter - actually, in the last
couple weeks of the quarter, it basically remained
flat-ish and since the end of the quarter or since
we're three-and-a-half weeks into the new quarter,
it's come down slightly. That has coincided with
what I would perceive as a general uptick in
demand, both from the OEM side as well as the spot
side. On the spot side, it's resulted in a - in
a price pickup of in the range of 20 to 30% in the
spot market off the lows of three, four weeks ago.
Kip Bedard
And Joe, this is Kip. I'll
follow up on the wafer outs. Relative to the
Manassas facility, we're looking at between 3500
and 4,000 outs a week.
Analyst
And that's what it's doing now
or that's what it's capable of?
Kip Bedard
Yeah, we're on the lower
end of that today. It's actually capable of
significantly higher. On prior calls, we've
talked upwards in the neighborhood of 16 to
20,000.
Analyst
Per - okay. Per week?
Kip Bedard
In terms of based on the
square footage that's available there.
Analyst
Okay. But it's facilitized to
produce less than that now, right.
Kip Bedard
That's right. It would
have to be - obviously, we would have to
facilitize it for the entire capacity to be
utilized there, and in all likelihood, in the time
frame, it would be 300 millimeter.
Analyst
Okay. So 300-mil could go
into that fab?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Yes, definitely.
Analyst
Okay. Thank you very much.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
You bet, Joe.
Operator
Thank you, Mr. OSHA. Our
next question of the evening comes from John
cross. Please announce your affiliation and
proceed with your question, sir.
Analyst
Morgan Stanley. Thanks.
Could you address or maybe talk about, if you
could, kind of the impact of the DOJ antitrust
investigation and the other things on the
industry, just big-picture, kind of time line, and
in your opinion, does that quell any potential
consolidation and just kind of looking big-picture
where the industry is now, given the demand/supply
situation?
Kip Bedard
Well, obviously we're -
this just occurred, so we don't really have
anything new to say beyond the press release would
you like to ask another question, John?
Analyst
Sure. Could you talk a little
bit more focused on the inventory side kind of the
inventory, is that - is inventories at OEMs lean
in the channel? Could you give a sense of kind of
where you think overall inventory is, at your
customers and out in the channel?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Sure. John, I'll
address that.
On the channel side - actually I won't address
the channel side. You'd have to ask our customers
that. I have no idea what they may or may not
have in the channels. With respect to what they
have in our - the hubs that we operate at the
customer sites, very little. We obviously manage
that inventory and it's at negligible levels right
now. My perception would be that the amount of
raw DRAM inventory they might be sitting on is
negligible, if not zero. The amount of inventory
that we have on our shelves is certainly up from
where it was a quarter ago but it's not
particularly concerning to me. It's significantly
lower than it was this time last year. So not -
not too concerned about it.
Analyst
Okay. Maybe finally, capex,
just an update on spending for this fiscal year
and outlook for next?
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
Yeah. For fiscal year
'02, it will run between 900 million and a
billion. That really will fluctuate a little bit
just by timing of equipment deliveries here late
in the fiscal year.
For fiscal year '03, it could run at the billion
dollar levels, you know, pretty consistent with
fiscal year '02, or it could run as high as
1.5 billion, depending upon just how market
conditions shape up late this year.
Analyst
So that would suggest that
there's quite a bit of spending remaining to be
done in the fiscal year, given the three quarters
to date?
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
Yes. The - there's about
400 million which we are anticipating coming
through Q4, and as I mentioned, some of that could
slide into the first part of next year.
Analyst
Okay. All right. Thanks very
muchsome.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
Thanks, Joe.
Operator
Our next question comes from
John Joseph. Please announce your affiliation and
proceed with your question.
Analyst
Yes. Salomon Smith Barney.
Mike, just wanted to flesh out a little bit your
outlook on customer demand. Have you begun to see
any back-to-school pickup yet or when would you
expect to see that? And are you expecting, you
know, a sort of a - the normal seasonal second
half that you're talking about, or do you think
it's going to be less than normal?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Well, John, I've
seen - if I just take what our customers tell us,
I think I could probably generally categorize that
as typical seasonal increase in demand in the
second half. If we look at the recent take rates
or the recent buy rates from our major customers,
certainly over the past four-week period, they're
up significantly over the previous four-week
period. You know, in the range of greater than
30% higher in terms of megabit consumption in the
last four weeks versus the preceding four weeks,
so those are positive signs from my viewpoint.
I'm not sure if that - that addressed your
question.
Analyst
Yeah. Are you beginning to
see - is this just a little inventory bounce or
is this the beginning of a - of a trend or is it
just really too early to know?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
You know, it's too
early to tell. I think - I think I could almost,
with certainty, say that some of this increase in
demand is due to a re-acceleration of memory
content per box. As far as whether this is an
early buildup of systems for back-to-school
selling season, I really couldn't say. I think
you'd probably be better off asking our customers
that question.
Analyst
Okay. A quick follow-up. The
recent uptick in spot market pricing, is that
partly because your sales were down? There's some
talk about (inaudible) having some manufacturing
problems. Do you think there was just less
product on the market so prices have ticked up a
little bit or do you think maybe demand pull or
maybe some of both.
Kip Bedard
I can only speak from our
standpoint, and we've had enough inventory to feed
into the spot market while prices have been going
up, so I don't think there have been a lot of
orders in the spot market that we weren't able to
fill. So I - the only thing I contribute it to
is demand.
Analyst
Okay. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you, sir. Our next
question comes from Bill (inaudible). Please
announce your affiliation and proceed with your
question, sir.
Analyst
Advisors. And I was curious.
Relative to dominion, what was the effect in the
third quarter - in the third quarter,
specifically, and in the Q, you folks identified
the fact that basically that is a cost structure
equivalent to the current Micron cost structure,
and going back to the analysts' meeting, that
sounds a little bit different. Can you give us
some perspective there?
And then separately, megabit sales or demand, how
would you - what's the percentage change versus
the fiscal Q3 of '01, so the year-ago level? You
talked about a 17% sequential decline, looking for
year-over-year change also, please.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
On the Manassas operation,
or the dominion facility, until we have our
process technology and ramp the facility to a
noticeably higher volume, we aren't going to get
the benefit of the, if you will, fairly cheap
purchase price. So I think we indicated at -
early in the year, at the analysts' conference
that ultimately we would expect to enjoy a
noticeable benefit by way of the reduced purchase
price, but that really will not be enjoyed until
we can get the process technology and the ramp
completed.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Bill, on the second
part of your question, I don't have those numbers
at my fingertips but I'm happy to follow up with
you after the call.
Operator
Our next question comes from
David Wu. Please announce your affiliation and
proceed with your question, David.
Analyst
Yes, Wedbush Morgan
securities. Gentlemen, what was the production -
I know what the shipments were. What were the
production ramp in the third quarter and what are
your plans for Q4?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
David, we were up
about - approximately 30% sequential bit growth
production and we're looking at about high teens
for our fiscal Q4 over fiscal Q3.
Analyst
Do you expect inventory to be
down?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
I can't make any
prediction on what direction inventories are going
to go. Obviously that's going to depend on what
we see in terms of back to school and box loading.
Analyst
Okay. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you, Mr. Wu.
Our next question comes from Dan Niles. Please
enclose your affiliation and proceed with your
question.
Analyst
Lehman Brothers. Steve, maybe
this is for you, you know, when - as you look at
how pricing sort of gets set in the DRAM industry,
you know, now with less players relative to, you
know, how it was sort of getting set four or five
years ago when there were more players, it doesn't
seem as though there's a whole lot more stability
right now or that it's, you know, getting set in
any particularly different way than it was four or
five years ago, in terms of supply and demand
really driving the pricing levels as opposed to
something else that's happening out there.
I mean, what's your kind of take on where pricing
is and, you know, how that's moving around and
fluctuating?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Well, there's still a
lot of players in the industry, so supply and
demand, as far as we can tell, still dictates what
happens in the marketplace.
Analyst
Okay. And then how much
effect do you think things like the natural
consolidation you're seeing in the industry -
obviously, you know, you've gone ahead and bought
the Manassas facility and obviously there's talks
about what Heinicks will or will not be able to
going forward. You know, sort of how do you see
that having influenced pricing over the last, you
know, quarter or two and, you know, what kind of
impact, if any, do you sees that kind of as we go
through the rest of this year, given some of the
public statements made by the Koreans in terms of
their plans to, you know, do something with
Heinicks or not.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Well, I don't have any
input on historical impact and maybe this is an
opportunity just to give you a quick update on
Heinicks. We don't have any ongoing discussions
with them right now and I think it's obvious that
Heinicks has their own set of challenges to go
through before they ultimately decide what happens
with that company between the creditors. The
shareholders of the company and so forth. So we
are somewhat just in a neutral position right now
with no engagement.
Analyst
Okay. And then maybe Mike,
this is for you. Two things that seem to be
happening. It seems as though DDR demand has
picked up pretty rapidly, and could you now talk
about, you know, the inventory of DDR that you
actually have available, you know, relative to the
SDRAM stuff and the trends you're seeing there,
because it seems, at least from my vantage point,
that DDR production, from a global basis, is maybe
not been ramped as hard as need be, given some of
the demand that we're seeing out there from the PC
vendors.
And the second thing is, in terms of commercial PC
memory per box, it's about 177, I think, with
consumer around 275, and that's a pretty big
difference between the two. Can you kind of talk
about, you know, why you think it's so wide right
now, and then where you think that gap might be by
the end of this year or early next year?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Okay. On the - the
first question, I probably would have answered it
differently, had you asked me a month ago. I
think we - I can't speak for our competitors but
I think we were ahead of the curve in terms of
ramping our DDR production more rapidly than the
market was willing to take or was able to take,
and that's changed quite a bit in the last 30
days, Dan. As you - as you mentioned, DDR demand
has picked up quite a bit. I would presume that's
tied to the chip set support of DDR that happens
to be available in the market for some
high-performance P4 systems, and our inventory
levels, I don't have the - the numbers -
specific numbers at my fingertips but they have
come down, specifically oDDR in the past - in the
past 30 days or so, and I think we're - we're
poised for a pretty - pretty steep ramp here of
DDR penetration through the second half of the
year.
So generally, about as we have been depicting,
although we did get ahead of the curve a little
bit on DDR production in the spring time. At
least ahead of what the market was able to digest.
But I don't think that's the case at this point
anymore.
On the consumer versus commercial PC, you're
correct. There is a very significant disparity
with respect to - at least according to the
third-party sources that monitor this memory
content per system.
I think it's on the order of a hundred and
seventy, a hundred and eighty megabits for a
commercial desktop versus 270 for a consumer PC.
I think the principal reason for the disparity is
due to the high attach rate of Windows XP for the
consumer platforms. If I'm not mistaken, it's
very close to a hundred percent. And most of
those systems are either demanding or being loaded
with 256 megabytes of memory. At least 256
megabytes of memory.
I would attribute the lag on commercial desktop -
which, by the way, is relatively unprecedented.
This has not been the case, with the exception of
the last year. I would attribute it to lackluster
demand for - on the commercial side, hesitance of
corporations to do spending for IT equipment, and
as a result, very low penetration rates of Windows
XP in the commercial space.
If we - I would presume, based on my own
knowledge as well as what customers are telling
us, that when we do see an uptick in spending for
IT equipment from corporations, an increase in
memory content per box will accompany that. But
we've yet to see it to date.
Analyst
I guess is there any reason in
the future where - why those two numbers - and
maybe it's not six months, maybe it's more like 12
months. That when you get that upgrade cycle on
the commercial side, that the commercial box
loading numbers won't get close to the consumer
stuff? Obviously, you've got things like graphics
Ram and stuff that's higher on the consumer side
but -
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
That's correct.
Typically a consumer PC will have a higher content
of graphics memory but if you look at historical
data, which we obviously track pretty closely,
typically the commercial PC is a leading indicator
or actually higher memory content per system than
the consumer PC, and I am not aware of any reason
that those two won't be closely aligned here, once
the market normalizes somewhat.
Analyst
Great. Well, thank you very
much.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Sure.
Operator
Our next question comes from
Charles Boshear. Please announce your affiliation
and proceed with your question, sir.
Analyst
It's Bear Stearns, and just a
couple of follow-up questions to earlier ones.
First, could you roughly break out what your
percentage of DDR wafer starts are today, and just
was wondering if you could provide a little color
on how the quarter developed. With a 17% decline
in bits shipped, was that something that was
fairly weak throughout the quarter or did things
take more of a sharp downturn in the last month or
so?
Kip Bedard
Charles, I'll take the
first part of that. This is Kip. We're running
today approximately 30 to 35% of our wafer outside
on DDR. The sales guys have - have that
increasing to around 40% in our fiscal Q4 and then
over 50% as we get into the fall time frame.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
On the - the
uniformity of the demand, if you will, throughout
the quarter, we saw things start to deteriorate or
start to soften in the first month of the quarter.
If I'm not mistaken, our - probably our weakest
shipment month in terms of megabits, was the
middle month of the quarter, but we saw things
start to weaken pretty quickly in the quarter and
the prices actually started to degrade towards the
end of the first month.
Analyst
Okay. And you - you have
seen a pickup in the last 30 days in terms of bit
shipments and prices and inventories have started
to - the needle is starting to move back the
other way a little bit is what it sounds like. Is
that correct?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
We absolutely have.
We're three-and-a-half weeks into a new quarter,
and the - you know, whatever metric you choose,
whether it's the average selling price or the
megabit shipments or the DDR take rate, things
have definitely improved in the last
three-and-a-half weeks.
Analyst
And when - last question is:
When do you expect to see your first increase in
output from the Manassas facility?
Kip Bedard
Right now, the - the
manufacturing plan is to keep it in that 3500 to
4,000 wafer outs. We get it transitioned over to
our technology sometime towards the end of the
year and after that, the market will kind of
determine, Charles, how we ramp.
Analyst
Okay. Great. Thanks very
much.
Kip Bedard
You bet.
Operator
Our next question comes from
Hans Mosesmon. Please announce your affiliation
and proceed with your question, sir.
Analyst
Yes. Prudential. A question
regarding the mix of your DRAMs by technology
node. Thanks.
Kip Bedard
Sure. Do you have anything
specific or do you want me to just to run through
them real quickly?
Analyst
Yeah. .13, .15, what
percentage of your wafer outs -
Kip Bedard
Sure, sure. In Q3,
question ran about 30% of our output at .18.
We're over 60% at .15. And we're high single
digits on the .13. And that's starting to move up
pretty rapidly here in the next couple of
quarters. We're still on target to have the sites
worldwide converted to our .13 technology sometime
early next year. Calendar year.
Analyst
That's it. Thanks a lot.
Kip Bedard
You bet, Hans.
Operator
Our next question comes from
Nema (inaudible). Please announce your
affiliation and proceed with your question.
Mr. (inaudible), your line is live.
Our next question comes from Dan Scovel. Please
announce your affiliation and proceed with your
question, sir
Analyst
Yes. Needham and Company.
Can you comment on your mix of spot market
business and - and the prices as they sort of
unfolded throughout the quarter and where they're
at now?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Yes. Today - let me
answer the last part first. Today they're in the
range of around 2, 250 from one megabit equivalent
and that would be the same for DDR or SDRAM and
throughout the quarter, they went down. I think
probably in the quarter that we're talking about,
the lowest price is probably the price on the last
day, if I'm not mistaken, and our mix of business
was - we put approximately 15 to 20% of our
material in the spot market in the quarter.
Analyst
Is - has that going - is
that trending upward now or is that staying pretty
steady.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
You mean since the end
of the quarter?
Analyst
Yes.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
It - I don't have that
data at my fingertips.
Analyst
You earlier mentioned 300-mil.
What is your current plans of looking at the
300-mil conversion?
Kip Bedard
I pretty much on track with
what we had announced before. You've probably
seen some orders being released for
300-millimeter. Those are headed into the
Virginia facility. We expect those to land there
sometime this fall, and then again, a lot of that
is how we ramp the 300-millimeter just depends on
market conditions and the cost competitiveness of
300-millimeter versus 200.
Analyst
Okay.
Operator
And our next question comes
as a follow-up from Joe OSHA. Your line is life,
sir.
Analyst
Okay. Thanks. Just to go
back to the - the inventory situation a little
bit, do you - are you able to form a sense, you
know, maybe not looking at distributors, per se,
but whether there was an inventory build earlier
in your quarter at - you know, at your customers
that attenuated as the quarter progressed, or do
you have any sense that have at all?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
I think - again, this
would just be my opinion I've formed through
looking at a variety of data, Joe.
I believe that some of our customers probably
built some inventory in the first month of our
fiscal quarter, which would have been March,
because they had concerns about price movement as
well as concerns about just strictly supply
through the second quarter, and I think they were
somewhat surprised by some weakness in demand for
systems, and as a result, they bled off inventory
throughout our quarter. My perception would be
that they don't have inventory today.
Analyst
Okay. And then also, I - you
may have commented on this. I'm sorry if you
missed it. Or if I missed it. Are you still
seeing 256 meg versus 128 meg premium in per bit
terms, and if you are, what's driving that?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
They are today selling
at virtual bit - price per bit parity.
Analyst
Okay. There had been some
speculation that there was unusual weakness in the
notebook market. Does the 128 versus 256 pricing
give you any insight into that, or do you have
anything - any observation to offer there?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
With respect to your
comment, it's a little surprised. You know, if
there were one particular item that were - I
would characterize it being in very high demand,
it would be the particular configuration of a 256
megabit DRAM that's used for a notebook module.
The 16 megabit by 16 DRAM. But, no, I - no
comment other than that.
Analyst
Okay. Thanks a lot.
Operator
Thank you, Mr. OSHA. Our
next question of the evening comes from ma nearby
guy yeah. Employee's announce your affiliation
and employee with your question, sir.
Analyst
Yeah. (inaudible). Could you
please talk about what was the sequential bit
production growth during the quarter?
Kip Bedard
Yeah, ma nearby, this is
Kip. Yeah, we were up approximately 30% in our
fiscal Q3 over Q2 for production.
Analyst
And could you talk about the
cost per bit or just the cost of a part, where you
are for 256 meg part?
Kip Bedard
We don't want to give out
any specifics on that, as we know that most of our
competitors are probably listening to us, but I
can tell you that based on where we are in terms
of wafer outs per week and where we are in terms
of beginning the transition to .13, our costs are
roughly equal to where we were a couple of
quarters ago. And as I mentioned earlier, we have
some pretty - some pretty big moves going to .13
here and with the Manassas facility on and we'll
have three months of that, then we should be able
to have a couple quarters here of reducing cost
per bit.
Analyst
So on an average, did your
cost for a 128 meg part or 256 meg part decline
sequentially?
Kip Bedard
Well we're not going again
answer any specific questions on that.
Analyst
I see. Now, if - once you
include the Toshiba factory in your next quarter,
do you think the cost of part on an average will
decline? Despite the benefit in Boise, do you
think the Toshiba facttory alone will carry higher
cost. Do you think on a what of average will it
be a wash or do you think on an average your costs
will improve.
Kip Bedard
I just don't want to goes
into making any predictions really at this time,
Maneesh. Sorry.
Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from
Ty Nguyen. Please announce your proceeds and
proceed with your question.
Analyst
Yeah, Robertson Stevens. I
have a question. Do you see any pickup in demand
in the wireless -
Kip Bedard
We're having a tough time
hearing you. If you wouldn't mind speaking up for
us.
Analyst
Sorry about that. Yeah. Do
you see any demand improvement in the wireless in
the handset for your SRAM in the flash business?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
We have seen some
steady improvement in the wireless business.
Nothing to get too excited about, but demand has
gotten better from our perspective, at any rate.
In the past couple of quarters.
Analyst
And what percentage of your
wafer out or your megabit sell contributed to
flash and SRAM?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
It's in the single
digits. 5%. Slightly less than that, possibly.
Analyst
Okay. And one last question.
What is your capex for this quarter?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
The capex? We're
sorry. We didn't quite catch that.
Analyst
For this quarter. What was
your number for capex.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Oh, for Q3.
Analyst
For Q3, question.
Kip Bedard
I think it was just over
200 million in Q3 and as we indicated, it could
run 400 million in Q4.
Analyst
In Q4. Okay. Great. All
right. Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from
Don Moriarity. Please announce your affiliation
and proceed with your question, sir.
Analyst
My question has been answered,
thank you.
Kip Bedard
Thanks, do not, next
question please.
Operator
Our next question comes from
Ben Lynch. Please notify your affiliation and
proceed with your question.
Analyst
Yeah. Ben Lynch with Deutsche
Banc. I just wanted to go back to another
question. Could I confirm that there was no
contribution at all from dominion in these
results?
Kip Bedard
In terms of contribution,
you mean -
Analyst
In terms of sales or inventory
change or pro - yeah, anything in the reported
accounts.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
We picked up the results
of consolidation for dominion for - I'll have to
double-check. I can't think whether it's nine
weeks. I'll have to double-check the number of
weeks in this quarter. But, yes, the Manassas
operation is part of the results. Kip had
indicated earlier that it has run 3500 to 4,000
wafer outs for the number of weeks, and
(inaudible).
Analyst
So the 30% Q on Q production
growth includes nine weeks of dominion and the -
I think the 19% change - sorry if I don't - I
don't worry about the number, but the change in
your bits shipped also includes contribution from
dominion and the change in inventories also
includes contribution from dominion. Could you
sort of give us a feel for on each one of these
how much - the first one you've done. On the
other two, how much is coming from dominion,
please.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
I'll double-check the
number of weeks of dominion output that's in this
quarter and we'll clarify that before the end of
the call.
And your second question was that - the amount of
increased inventory?
Analyst
Yes. Please.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
We'll come back for those.
Kip Bedard
Yeah. One way to look at
that, if you'd like is we're - as an entire
manufacturing organization, we're running mid-to
upper 40,000 wafer outs a week, and so if you put
that in reference to the 3500 to the 4,000, that
will get you pretty close.
Analyst
Okay. Great. So, yeah, that
was the first question.
Also, you didn't know for sure how the contracts
(inaudible) mix had been in the first part of this
quarter. Given that coming out of the last
quarter, you were basically selling nothing on the
spot market and this was sort of explaining why
there was this big delta between spot prices and
contract prices, what would be your expectations
for the current quarter? Is the spot percentage
likely to increase further or do you think it's
sort of settled in the sort of 15, 20% range?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
I think that's going to
be a function of demand. You know, now that spot
prices are either at parity or higher than OEM
prices, certainly our OEM customers are not
compelled to dabble in the spot market, so that
may have a dampening effect on demand in the spot
market. But, you know, it's - I've given up
trying to predict what's going to happen in the
spot market here in the short-term.
Analyst
Okay. Yeah, I wasn't
necessarily trying to predict what happens with
spot prices. More just is the looseness - is the
market loosening to an extent that, you know,
there is going to be more stuff flowing through
spot rather than contract pricing, but . . . No
view, no view.
Kip Bedard
I think that's difficult to
predict right now.
Analyst
Okay. Also the question which
was posed on the Department of Justice and you not
really having anything new to say, if I tried a
more specific question, could we give that a shot?
Kip Bedard
You can always ask.
Analyst
I'll try anyway. Could you at
least identify the sort of period that they're
investigating? Is it the period during which
prices fell precipitously or is it the period
during which prices rose surprisingly?
Kip Bedard
Yeah. Unfortunately we
won't be able to answer that question either.
Sorry about that.
Analyst
Okay. And the last question I
have is, the one to one point five billion capex
number, is the delta there likely to be 300-mil
investment or 200-mil.
Kip Bedard
It's probably more market
condition-based. We will continue to go through
an analysis of the cost competitiveness of both of
those, but throughout the year, it's really
probably more market based.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
Yeah. One moment that
is, I think, relevant to that question is that in
a very short period of time, all of the
200-millimeter equipment that you buy will be
300-millimeter capable as well, either with a
chamber change or something to that effect. So as
we go through time over the next 12 months,
obviously we have some specific 300-millimeter
equipment we're buying, but in general, you should
be able to - you should expect that the
200-millimeter equipment will be very similar or
the same as 300-millimeter equipment and it can
run either one, depending on what conversion you
want to do.
Analyst
Okay. Great. Okay. Kip,
I'll probably just check become with you at a
later stage on this dominion, just clarifying
compe the contribution from dominion.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
We can update - had I
made a reference to the nine weeks. I was off a
month there. It's five - excuse me. It's a
little more than five weeks of production or
output from dominion that's included in these
consolidated results.
With regard to increase in inventory, work in
process and finished goods, it's only a few
percentage points effect of dominion.
Analyst
Great. Thank you very much.
Operator
Thank you. Our next
question comes from Doug Lee. Please announce
your affiliation and proceed with your question.
Analyst
Hi. Banc of America
Securities. Kip, I was wondering if you can give
a rundown of what the current wafer start is by
product density and then a quick follow-up for
Mike.
Kip Bedard
Well, I can give you a
little bit by - by product density, we're well
over 50% of our wafer outs now are 256 meg. The
64 meg is more maintenance mode and it's been
hanging right around kind of the 8% range.
We have now some starts on the 512 and then the
balance would primarily be 128 meg.
Analyst
Okay. Terrific. And then
Mike, you mentioned - you made some comment that
spot prices are at or above OEM prices. Is
that - did I hear that right?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
That is correct.
Analyst
Okay. Any chance you guys can
give us a - maybe just a range of where contracts
are being signed at right now?
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
In the - on the 128
meg equivalent basis in the 2 to 250 range.
Analyst
Okay. Terrific. Thank you
very much.
Kip Bedard
Thanks, Doug.
Operator
Thank you, Mr. Lee. Our
next question of the evening comes from Scott
Randall. Please notify your affiliation and
proceed with your question, sir.
Analyst
Yeah. Hi. Thanks.
Soundview. Bill, I wonder if I can circle back to
the cost line. I want to reconcile a little bit
the comment relative to kind of the $55 million
that you sort of add back - simple math here -
simplified math, rather, does that get me roughly
to a - you know, kind of a steady state cost in
sort of looking at manufacturing margin, maybe.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
Well, the intent of our
disclosure there is to indeed allow you to take
out the effect of NRV adjustments from this and
all prior periods, so the 55 million-ish would be
what you would add back to however you were
otherwise modeling, if that was your question.
Analyst
Correct. And that's a pretty
close approximation at this point?
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
That is our best
calculation of the effect in Q3, correct.
Analyst
Okay. Thanks. Then secondly,
wondering, as you folks look at the market and I'm
not sure this might be for Mike or - or Kip
maybe, but relative to the market share that you
think you had during the quarter, would you
suggest that you - you gained market share, held
market share? Any really noticeable change there
expected that you had?
Kip Bedard
Scott, you know, we haven't
seen any of the independent tracking data yet, so
we - we don't know yet at this point.
Analyst
Okay. I mean, anecdotally,
talking to customers, is there any reason to
believe that you - you could have lost share in
any, you know, given density or segment or just
too tough to say?
Kip Bedard
No.
Analyst
Okay. And then finally, I
know you normally don't break out inventory by -
by segmentation, but I know in the press release,
it talks about a significant increase in finished
goods. Any chance I could get those numbers
before you, ahead of the 10-Q.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
We won't be able to
provide a detailed breakout of that growth, no.
Analyst
Is it safe to say that the
majority of the dollar increase was in - was in
finished?
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
I'm sorry, I couldn't hear
the last part of the question.
Analyst
Yeah. Just wondering if it's
safe to say that the majority of the dollar
increase was in finished goods.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
Actually, that would not
be a good assumption, Scott. If you remember, we
ran, on average - if you just look at (inaudible)
itself, you were running high 30,000 wafer outs a
week and as we indicated we're now mid-to upper
40,000, so that's a big part of your delta in
dollars as well.
Analyst
Got it. Okay. Great. Thank
you.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
Our press release comment
was with regard to fin significant increase in
finished good.
Mike Sadler - VP Worldwide Sales
And Mike has given some
characterization of how that level has changed
after quarter end.
Operator
Thank you. Our next
question comes from Larry Bergman. Please
announce your affiliation and proceed with your
question, sir.
Analyst
Cantor Weiss. I just want to
clarify the average selling price during the
quarter for both 128 and 256, and if you could
compare it with the prior quarter as well.
Bill Stover - VP of Finance and CFO
The information we have
provided in the press release indicated on per
megabit basis the average in Q3 was 44% higher
than Q2. A couple reference points for you. 128
meg sync that we had indicated in Q2 was about
250, moved to between 450 and $5 in Q3. DDR just
increased modestly on the 128 meg. We had already
indicated that on the 256 meg sync, our Q2 was a
little less than 6 bucks, Q3 close to 10 bucks,
and on the DDR, just about 8 bucks in Q2, and
about 9 bucks in Q3.
Analyst
Thank you.
Kip Bedard
You bet and with that, we'd
like to thank everyone for participating on the
call today. Full please bear with me, I need to
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