Zimmer Biomet Holdings Inc (ZBH) 2013 Q2 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good morning.

  • I would like to turn the call over to Bob Marshall, Vice President, Investor Relations, and Treasurer.

  • Mr. Marshall, you may begin your call.

  • Bob Marshall - VP of IR & Treasurer

  • Good morning and welcome to Zimmer's second-quarter 2013 earnings conference call.

  • I am here with our CEO David Dvorak and our CFO Jim Crines.

  • Before we start, I would like to remind you that our discussions during this call will include forward-looking statements.

  • Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by forward-looking statements due to a variety of risks and uncertainties.

  • Please refer to our SEC filings for a detailed discussion of these risks and uncertainties.

  • Also, the discussions during this call will include certain non-GAAP financial measures.

  • Reconciliations of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included within the earnings release, which is available on our website at investor.

  • Zimmer.com.

  • With that, I will now turn the call over to David Dvorak.

  • David?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • Thank you, Bob.

  • Good morning, everyone.

  • This morning I'll review our second-quarter financial results, providing commentary on the year's progress to date and highlights from our performance.

  • Jim will then provide additional financial details.

  • I will state all sales in constant currency terms.

  • And I'll discuss all earnings results on an adjusted basis.

  • Turning first to global market conditions, in the second quarter musculoskeletal markets demonstrated stability, with modest improvement over the first quarter.

  • This was in line with trends from the previous several quarters, as well as our expectations for the full year.

  • Against this backdrop Zimmer delivered strong sales results in the second quarter, driven by contributions from our innovative new products across the portfolio, as well as accelerated performances in key geographic regions.

  • This top-line performance represents the Company's strongest sales growth in several quarters.

  • And validates our belief that there are significant opportunities for innovation and growth within the musculoskeletal space.

  • We again delivered against our financial commitments, and returned value to our stockholders in the quarter.

  • For the balance of 2013, we will continue to drive our top line through the ongoing commercialization of innovative new products.

  • We will also remain focused on our business transformation programs, which continue to enhance the effectiveness and efficiency of our global organization.

  • We expect the continued benefits from our expanding portfolio, combined with our commitment to operational excellence and a strategy of disciplined capital deployment, will allow us to capture further value-creation opportunities in 2013.

  • Consolidated net sales for the quarter were $1.17 billion, an increase of 5.5%.

  • And our earnings per share were $1.43, an increase of 6.7% over the prior-year period.

  • In the second quarter, America's sales grew by 7.6% year-over-year.

  • While Europe, Middle East and Africa increased by 0.5%, and the Asia-Pacific region grew 6.9%.

  • The quarter was highlighted by the achievement of key milestones on the ongoing commercialization of several new offerings which the Company has recently developed or strategically acquired.

  • These products and technologies have strengthened our core reconstructive franchise, as well as our emerging businesses.

  • With respect to pricing, we experienced price pressure of negative 1.3% in the second quarter.

  • Price pressure tempered relative to the first quarter due mainly to the anniversarying of the bi-annual price adjustments in Japan.

  • And slight moderation of price pressure for large joint reconstruction in the United States.

  • Turning now to the results of our product categories, knee sales for the second quarter increased 4.7%, reflecting positive volume and mix of 6.1% and negative price of 1.4%.

  • Our Americas segment reported a sales increase of 5.0%.

  • While Europe, Middle East, and Africa grew sales by 0.4%.

  • And the Asia-Pacific region delivered 9.8% growth compared with the previous year.

  • We continued to be excited about the ongoing commercial release of Persona, the personalized knee system.

  • Persona has revolutionized the standard of care by eliminating the compromises inherent in competitive platforms, offering patients a more natural feel, fit, and normal function post-operatively.

  • With Persona, we pushed the boundaries of implant design and engineering, resulting in the highest fidelity and anatomically accurate implants ever developed.

  • These components also leveraged Zimmer's proven Trabecular Metal technology, and Vivacit-E, our vitamin E-infused advanced bearing material.

  • Our next generation intelligent instruments make Persona more accurate and intuitive for surgeons to implant.

  • And the feedback from our customers continues to be extremely positive for the unmatched flexibility and surgical precision of this system.

  • We look forward to further expanding the market penetration of this truly differentiated need.

  • Knee growth in the second quarter also benefited from promising sales of Gel-One, Zimmer's single injection hyaluronic acid treatment.

  • Gel-One is a key component of our expanding portfolio of early intervention in joint preservation solutions, including DeNovo, NT and Chondrofix.

  • In the quarter, Zimmer acquired US-based Knee Creations, including products and technologies used in their advanced proprietary early intervention treatment Subchondroplasty.

  • The first procedure of its kind, Subchondroplasty is a minimally-invasive outpatient treatment for bone defects associated with chronic bone marrow edema.

  • Subchondroplasty is a unique joint-preserving solution that addresses an unmet need for patients between early interventions, such as NSAIDs and joint arthroscopy and knee replacements.

  • These treatments, along with the industry's leading portfolio of personalized knee solutions and intelligent instrumentation, demonstrate our ongoing commitment to delivering quality outcomes for patients, their surgeons, and healthcare institutions.

  • Our hip business delivered steady performance in the second quarter, with overall sales growth of 1.7%, reflecting positive volume and mix of 3.8% and negative price of 2.1%.

  • Sales increased by 3.4% in the Americas, decreased by 2.0 % in Europe, Middle East and Africa, and increased by 3.9% in the Asia-Pacific region.

  • Our performance in the quarter was supported by the Continuum Acetabular Cup, which features the Company's proprietary Trabecular Metal technology, as well as solid contributions from Vivacit-E liners and ceramic head offerings.

  • We have also seen encouraging traction with the US rollout of the Avenir hip stem, a product we believe has a promising future, given its compatibility with the increasingly popular anterior supine surgical approach.

  • We will continue leveraging this comprehensive portfolio for sustained growth in our global hip business in the second half of 2013.

  • Extremities recorded impressive growth of 14.6% in the second quarter.

  • All geographic regions reported above-market performances, led by the continued success of the Trabecular Metal reverse shoulder system.

  • Meanwhile, ongoing commercialization of the Trabecular Metal ankle has been promising, with positive clinical feedback.

  • Also in the quarter we announced the acquisition of Germany-based NORMED, which adds to Zimmer's offerings in the foot and ankle market.

  • This investment represents our ongoing commitment to expanding our portfolio to other anatomical sites.

  • Dental sales decreased by 0.6% in the quarter.

  • We continue to market our differentiated dental portfolio in order to maximize opportunities in a challenging global marketplace.

  • Continuing softness in international dental markets was partially offset by positive growth in the Americas, driven principally by higher implant sales.

  • We are confident that our advanced technologies position Zimmer Dental for growth as markets recover over time, such as our proprietary Trabecular Metal dental implant, custom-milled Zfx CAD/CAM digital dentistry solutions, and a value-based offering designed in the P-I Branemark philosophy for the Brazilian market.

  • In the second quarter, Zimmer Trauma increased sales by 2.7% over the prior year, with sales in the Americas decreasing by 1.4%, increasing by 6.3% in Europe, Middle East and Africa, and increasing 7.5% in the Asia-Pacific region.

  • Competitive pressures, most notably in the United States, slowed our trauma growth for the quarter.

  • But were mitigated by the Company's consistently strong performance in overseas markets.

  • Notably, the Zimmer Natural Nail family delivered solid sales for another quarter.

  • And we continue to see steady incremental uptick of the XtraFix external fixation system.

  • Our recent acquisition of NORMED, which I noted earlier, also offers Zimmer an entry into the global hand and wrist trauma market, which we expect will complement our clinically-robust trauma portfolio, as well as enhance our global competitiveness.

  • Our spine business increased sales by 3.9% compared to the prior year.

  • Zimmer Spine's growth rate represents a noteworthy turnaround from recent quarters, with significant performance improvements from all geographic regions.

  • Zimmer Spine's return to growth has been led by a focus on our core fusion solutions, such as the inViZia and Trinica cervical plate systems, as well as the TM Ardis and TMS Interbody fusion devices.

  • Backed by our dedicated spine sales force, we plan to build upon this improved performance in future quarters.

  • We are also encouraged by early results from the recent introduction of the APEX Spine System, which will expand our portfolio into a broad range of degenerative, deformity, and complex spine conditions.

  • Zimmer's Surgical and other business drove expectational growth across all geographic regions in the second quarter, with an outstanding 27.6% sales increase over the year prior.

  • Of note, our Americas segment reported a 42.6% sales increase.

  • Our growth in the quarter was driven primarily by the Transposal Fluid Waste Management System, a clinically relevant product that addresses a wide range of surgical cases and enhances Zimmer's presence in the operating room.

  • The performance of our Universal Power System surgical equipment, particularly in Europe, Middle East and Africa, contributes to our bullish outlook for this offering, as we continue its introduction in the United States.

  • As in previous quarters, the Asia-Pacific region delivered a solid sales performance by capitalizing on the strength of our core surgical products portfolio.

  • Overall, the acceleration of Surgical's top line in the quarter resulted from a strategic focus on capturing market opportunities, both with organically developed technologies and strategically acquired products.

  • With that, I'll now ask Jim to provide further details on the second quarter and our updated guidance.

  • Jim?

  • Jim Crines - CFO

  • Jim, thank you.

  • I will review our second-quarter performance in more detail, and then provide additional information related to our 2013 sales and earnings guidance.

  • Our total revenues for the second quarter were $1.169 billion, a 5.5% constant currency increase compared to the second quarter of 2012.

  • Net currency impact for the quarter decreased revenues by 1.6%, or $18 million.

  • The negative currency impact for the quarter related principally to our Japanese yen-denominated revenues.

  • Accelerated growth in the emerging businesses and markets has impacted our gross margin profile.

  • Our adjusted gross profit margin was 73.3% for the quarter.

  • The margin ratio declined 170 basis points compared to the second quarter of 2012.

  • In the quarter, a higher mix of lower-margin product and geographic revenues, as well as inventory charges and a slight year-over-year decline in price, outweighed foreign currency hedge gains and cost savings from our operational excellence and transformation programs.

  • In the quarter, significant growth in sales of the capital component of the Transposal Fluid Waste Management System, along with certain other new products which have gross margins below the Company average, drove our gross margin ratio lower when compared with the prior year.

  • Additionally, a shift in the country mix of revenues within our Europe, Middle East and Africa operating segment favoring emerging markets weighed on the gross margin ratio in the quarter.

  • We would expect these headwinds to diminish over time, as our surgical products revenue mix moves towards higher-margin, single-use disposables utilized with the capital component of the Fluid Waste Management System, and as developed markets within our Europe, Middle East and Africa operating segments stabilize.

  • The Company's R&D expense decreased 3.8% on a reported basis to 4.7% of net sales when compared to the prior year.

  • As noted in prior quarters, the decrease in R&D expense continues to reflect a natural decline related to the completion of a number of large projects, as well as the efficiency benefits of transformation initiatives implemented in this function.

  • Selling, general and administrative expenses were $458 million in the second quarter, and at 39.2% of sales were 110 basis points below the prior year.

  • In the quarter, savings from our transformation initiatives were partially offset by increased selling, marketing and distribution costs associated with the commercialization of a number of new products, as well as direct sales integration in certain key markets.

  • Special items amounted to $87 million in the quarter.

  • Included in special items are costs related to our global restructuring and transformation initiatives, certain litigation, and integration activities connected with recent acquisitions.

  • In the quarter, we increased our provision for certain claims related to the Durom Acetabular Component by $47 million before taxes.

  • This reflects an increase in the total estimated liability for projected worldwide claims related to Durom, offset by anticipated insurance recoveries.

  • Adjusted operating profit in the quarter amounted to $344.7 million, a 29.5%.

  • Our adjusted operating profit to sales ratio was 20 basis points lower than the prior year's second quarter.

  • Net interest expense for the quarter amounted to $14.4 million, which was flat compared to the prior-year quarter.

  • Adjusted net earnings were $243.4 million for the second quarter, an increase of 3.3% compared to the prior year.

  • Adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 6.7% to $1.43, on 170.7 million average outstanding diluted shares.

  • These adjusted earnings per share are inclusive of approximately $0.05 of share-based compensation.

  • At $0.89 reported diluted earnings per share decreased 27% from the prior year's second quarter reported EPS of $1.22.

  • Our adjusted effective tax rate for the quarter was 26.4%, and was flat when compared to prior year.

  • Our reported effective tax rate for the quarter was 22.6%, as the majority of the certain claims and special items charges are incurred in higher tax jurisdictions.

  • During the quarter we repurchased 0.9 million shares at a total purchase price of $69 million, enabling us to return increased value to stockholders.

  • Approximately $554 million of authorization remains under our repurchase program that runs through December 31, 2014.

  • The Company had approximately 169 million shares of common took outstanding as of June 30, 2013, down from 174.6 million as of June 30, 2012.

  • Operating cash flow for the quarter amounted to $189.7 million, a decrease of 18.1% from $231.5 million in the second quarter of 2012.

  • The decrease is driven by the ongoing build-out of pipeline inventory in support of new product introductions, as well as the impact of the medical device excise tax.

  • Net inventories were $1.053 billion at the end of the second quarter, an increase of $14 million from March 31, 2013.

  • Adjusted inventory days on hand finished the quarter at 284 days, a decrease of 22 days compared to the prior year quarter.

  • As of the end of the second quarter, net receivables increased to $942.5 million from $906.7 million in the second quarter of 2012, or 4% over prior year.

  • Our trade accounts receivable day sales outstanding finished the quarter at 69 days, a decrease of 3 days when compared with the prior year.

  • Depreciation and amortization expense for the second quarter amounted to $91.4 million.

  • Free cash flow in the second quarter was $109 million, $59 million lower than the second quarter of 2012.

  • We define free cash flow as operating cash flow less cash outlays for instruments and property, plant and equipment.

  • The decrease in free cash flow reflects the ongoing investments in our new product pipeline inventory, and the deployment of instruments to support the full release of Persona and other new products.

  • Capital expenditures for the quarter totaled $81.2 million, including $58.8 million for instruments, and $22.4 million for property, plant, and equipment.

  • I'd like to turn now to our guidance for 2013.

  • In our earnings release this morning we increased our sales guidance, noting that the Company expects full-year 2013 revenues to increase between 4% and 5% constant currency when compared to 2012.

  • Previously we had estimated full-year revenues would increase between 2.5% and 4.5% constant currency.

  • We now expect foreign currency translation to decrease our reported 2013 revenues by approximately 2% for the full year.

  • Therefore, on a reported basis, our revenues are projected to be between 2% and 3% above 2012 results.

  • Previously we had estimated foreign currency translation would decrease revenues by approximately 1.5%.

  • Our earnings release also indicates that our full-year 2013 adjusted diluted earnings per share guidance has been narrowed to a range of $5.70 to $5.80.

  • To arrive at our anticipated reported GAAP earnings per share you should subtract total charges for inventory step-up and other inventory and manufacturing related charges, certain claims and special items of $250 million pre-tax, or approximately $1.00 per share on an after-tax basis.

  • Our gross margin ratio is now expected to be at or slightly above 74% for the full year.

  • R&D is now expected to be approximately 4.5% for the full year.

  • We anticipate SG&A as a percentage of revenue will be at or slightly below the low end of our prior guidance of 39.5%.

  • We expect interest expense for the full year to be approximately $56 million.

  • Moving down the income statements, we continue to expect the 2013 full-year effective tax rate to be around 26%.

  • Our average diluted share count for the year is expected to be around 171 million shares.

  • Taking into account the effects of year-to-year differences in billing days and normal seasonality across our geographic segments, third-quarter revenue growth on a constant currency basis is expected to be in line with the constant currency revenue growth reported for the second quarter.

  • Third-quarter adjusted earnings per share are expected in a range of $1.20 to $1.25.

  • Finally, please note that our guidance does not include any impact from potential acquisitions or other unforeseen events.

  • David, I will turn the call back over to you.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • Thanks, Jim.

  • In the first half of 2013 Zimmer advanced the commercialization of several differentiated new products which have broadened and enhanced our portfolio.

  • We're encouraged to see these new offerings make a meaningful contribution to an accelerated top line in the second quarter, which we believe demonstrates our potential for further expanding our leadership within the musculoskeletal market.

  • As we have communicated in previous quarters, our relentless commitment to lean and efficient business practices helps to support the foundation of our future success.

  • In the second quarter, our ongoing commercial and operational excellence programs continued to deliver cost savings in line with long-term targets.

  • Furthermore, we remain committed to a disciplined model of capital deployment.

  • In keeping with that strategy, we have continued to pursue prudent external development within the musculoskeletal space, as well as return value to our stockholders through our dividend and share repurchase programs.

  • As we enter the second half of 2013, we're confident the promising sales from our new products and above-market performance in several of our core franchises and geographic regions positions Zimmer for continued success.

  • Now I would like to ask Monserat to begin the Q&A portion of our call.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • Matthew Taylor with Barclays.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Hi.

  • Thanks very much, guys.

  • It's actually Dan in for Matt.

  • Just wanted to start with pricing.

  • You guys noted a slight moderation of pressure in the quarter.

  • Part of that was Japan.

  • But you also referenced a moderation in the larger market, as well.

  • So just wondering, to what extent does that surprise you guys?

  • And would you go so far as to suggest any potential change in trend?

  • Or is this more of just a quarter-to-quarter variation and year-over-year pressure?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • I think that the biggest contributor, Dan, is, as you pointed out, the bi-annual price cuts anniversarying out in Japan.

  • Beyond that, we saw a little bit of price pressure increase in Europe.

  • But again, as you mentioned, a positive change from Q1 to Q2 in the Americas.

  • So it's round numbers, I think 30 basis points for us in the Americas.

  • And it was about 80 basis points improvement sequentially from Q1 to Q2 in each of knees and hips.

  • As far as extrapolating out and forecasting whether or not that's the beginning of a trend, I think it's too early to do that.

  • I do think that it's fair to characterize pricing as stabilizing and quarter-over-quarter you've got from the beginning of hopefully what becomes a positive trend in that regard.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Great.

  • Thanks.

  • And one quick follow-up on guidance.

  • You took up the constant currency revenue expectation by about 100 basis points.

  • You said the general market seems stable.

  • So, is that really incremental confidence or more visibility to benefit from new products?

  • I just want some color there.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • I think that generally you can interpret the top-line, Dan, as being a view that the market is performing in a manner that's consistent with our expectations going into the year.

  • And we're making the progress that we expect to make on the new products.

  • And it's really the latter that is driving the increase in the top-line forecast as we get further and further into the launch of these new products.

  • And these products are going to find traction at different stages just by the nature of the launches across the various product categories.

  • But we're tracking quite well in all respects.

  • And what you see in the way of the updated forecast is a reflection of our confidence as to what we're going to be able to do in the second half of the year and going forward.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • All right.

  • Thanks very much, guys.

  • Operator

  • Larry Biegelsen with Wells Fargo.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Hi.

  • It's actually Craig on for Larry.

  • Just first quick question.

  • I wanted to get your thoughts on Europe.

  • It looked like performance ticked down a little, adjusting for selling days compared to Q1.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • Yes.

  • And I think that Europe continues to be a challenging market.

  • I don't believe that it sequentially got worse from Q1 to Q2.

  • I think that our heavy emphasis in particular counties, and we have significant market share in the developed markets in Europe.

  • By way of example, it's probably as much as anything our revenue mix within counties that have shown a significant slowdown over the last several quarters that you see reflected in our performance.

  • So continue to be very optimistic about what we are going to be able to do.

  • Continue to believe that we are outperforming the general market in EMEA.

  • But it's a challenging market and we have a lot of market share in counties that have seen significant step downs, including a market like Germany.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Thanks.

  • One quick follow-up.

  • Just on the SpineCraft, NORMED, Knee Creations agreements and acquisitions, I wanted to see if you would provide the expectation for the contribution that it will have for 2013 growth.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • It's going to contribute.

  • All of those external development projects, Craig, are going to continue to 2013 growth.

  • But they are going to contribute to 2013 growth because of what we're going to be able do with those products and technologies through our distribution channel.

  • I would like to clarify that the accelerated top line that you see us reporting in Q2 is not by virtue of acquired revenues.

  • It is the case that the external development project that we have been doing fairly consistently over the last several years contributed positively to that uptick.

  • But I would tell you that the acquired revenue run rate effect on Q2 is probably a bit less than $5 million.

  • So not at all substantial.

  • That said, several of those products that we have acquired over time are ramping up as we launch them and execute our sales and marketing strategies.

  • So we're seeing significant contributions, but not by virtue of having acquired the revenue.

  • Rather, by virtue of acquiring an appropriate technology or product line that's a fit for our distribution channel and our overall strategy.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Okay.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Bob Hopkins from the Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

  • Bob Hopkins - Analyst

  • Good morning.

  • So quickly -- and thanks for taking the question and congrats on a good revenue quarter -- I have a question on operating margins and then a question on knees.

  • First on operating margins, it looks like your guidance really isn't changing overall from an operating margin perspective.

  • But gross margin is obviously coming down by a little over 1 point, it looks like.

  • So, my question on gross margins is, Jim, can you break down the components of the change in a little bit more detail?

  • And more importantly, maybe comment on, as we look forward, do you think your business relative to the mix that you expect, can you as a company get gross margins back over 75% as you look out into next year?

  • Jim Crines - CFO

  • Okay.

  • Bob, I'll take a stab at that.

  • As you know, coming out of the first quarter we were at the time thinking that gross margin ratio would come in around 75% to even 75.5% for the full year.

  • That, of course, was predicated on anticipated hedge gains based on the currency assumptions we had for the top line at that point in time, and lower unit costs from the combination of higher volumes associated with our new products, as well as efficiencies gained from improvements in our manufacturing processes.

  • And then, of course, offsetting those positive effects on the ratio, we also anticipated negative price, and the medical device excise tax would impact on the ratio in the second half.

  • We were not at that time anticipating the strength in surgical product sales that we realized in the second quarter, or the effect that would have on our gross margin ratio.

  • We were also not expecting that excess and obsolete inventory charges would be as high, or that the changing mix for geographic revenues would have, again, as much of an impact as we experienced in the quarter.

  • Taking all of that now into account, we have adjusted our outlook for the ratio for the full year to now be at or slightly above 74%.

  • As you point out, we have also raised our outlook for our top-line updated guidance for operating expenses.

  • The net effect of which leads us to our bottom-line adjusted diluted earnings per share expectation of $5.70 to $5.80 for the full year.

  • As between the various things that I've touched on -- the product mix, the geographic mix, the inventory charges -- I would say the product mix, the inventory charges accounted for most of the step-down in the gross margin ratio in the quarter relative to the prior year.

  • Geographic mix had less of an impact.

  • And as we get into the second half of the year, and even next year, for that matter, I think we feel, for a lot of reasons, that we can anticipate a bit less pressure on the margin ratio from excess and obsolete inventory charges.

  • We get those in the normal course.

  • But, as they have over the first half of the year, they could be more significant as we launch new systems, and we begin to cannibalize out the legacy products.

  • So, we have had more significant pressure from those E&O charges in the first half of the year than we're either anticipating for the second half of the year.

  • We still have work to do to develop our operating plans for next year.

  • Then I would expect we will see going into next year.

  • We also expect more favorable hedge results coinciding with the change in the currency outlook.

  • As well as expect a shift towards higher-margin revenue as we get deeper into the launch of Persona and our surgical product sales reflect a better balance of revenue as between the capital equipment and single-use disposables.

  • And I think both those trends should continue on into next year.

  • I am not going to attempt to give guidance on the gross margin ratio for 2014.

  • We will certainly be prepared to talk about that in more detail after we've gone through our development of our operating plan, and provide guidance for 2014 on our fourth-quarter call.

  • Bob Hopkins - Analyst

  • That's very helpful.

  • Thanks.

  • So, it sounds like there is a couple of things that will get better from here, and we will have to see how the mix plays out as we look to next year.

  • And then on knees, two things maybe for David.

  • I was wondering if you could just comment on the contribution from Gel-One, given that that's now reported in knees.

  • I have assumed that it maybe would be $5 million to $10 million this quarter.

  • And then also, David, maybe give a sense for just where you think you are with Persona.

  • Any metrics in terms of the rollout?

  • Any metrics that we can track as to where you think you are right now relative to your original set of expectations?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • Bob, we're tracking consistent with expectations.

  • With respect to the Gel-One rollout, first of all, it is in the range that you suggested, but probably closer to the lower end of that range than the higher end of the range for the quarter that you framed out.

  • We are doing everything on schedule with respect to the Persona release.

  • And the feedback has been very positive.

  • So our instrument deployments is one of the key metrics.

  • We are on plan with respect to the instrument deployments.

  • You can obviously see that in our reinvestment numbers with respect to the CapEx for the last couple of quarters.

  • I would tell you that the receptivity among competitive surgeons is quite good at this point.

  • But, as you would anticipate, not withstanding the positive reception to the Persona system, and I would tell you, if anything, I think at this point the anecdotal evidence has exceeded our expectations or reasonable expectations.

  • As optimistic as we were going into the year.

  • So it's going to be a very strong product line for us.

  • And it clearly already is helping to reinvigorate our knee sales.

  • And you see that in the step-up from Q1 to Q2 in our growth rate.

  • But those systems take longer to get full traction.

  • So, in the first half of the general release, which is what Q1 and Q2 of 2013 represent, that still is very early stage.

  • All of the leading indicators that we track, as I said, are positive.

  • And I'm quite confident that this system is going to be a big winner for us.

  • Bob Hopkins - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Thanks very much.

  • Appreciate it.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • Mike Weinstein from JPMorgan.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Good morning.

  • It's Kim here for Mike.

  • A couple questions.

  • As we think about the constant currency guide here for the rest of the year, Europe was a little softer in the quarter.

  • And you guys touched on some of that, highlighting Germany.

  • Just curious how you are thinking about Europe playing out for the rest of the year.

  • And then, in addition, you saw the step-up in the quarter in the fluid waste management business.

  • Is that something you are looking forward to be sustainable in the back half of the year?

  • And how does that play into that 4% to 5%?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • Great.

  • I'll respond to each those questions.

  • With respect to Europe, first of all, I think that Europe will continue, we think that Europe will continue to be a challenging market.

  • But what I would tell you is, if you look back at the second half of 2012, we really started to see a step-down in the growth rates and procedure rates within many of the developed markets in Europe.

  • And that's really what I think is affecting the overall growth rate of the EMEA market.

  • In the very least, there should be some positive effect to the anniversarying out of that step-down in procedure rates in some of those developed markets.

  • And we have significant businesses in those markets.

  • And so I think that bodes well for at least stability in Europe, if not some potential improvement, even without a more fundamental beginnings of a recovery.

  • And so that's how we are thinking of the European market at this point in time.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Okay.

  • Great.

  • And then the second question was just on the waste management side.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • The surgical business, we continue to believe, will be a terrific opportunity for us in the second half of the year.

  • That said, you can see by the growth numbers, in the US in particular, with the fluid waste management system that we are at a pretty torrid pace in Q2.

  • And so 40%-plus growth rate in the business category, the product category for us in Q2, is one that we would love to be able to sustain.

  • But that's probably on the high end of what anyone could consider a reasonable expectation.

  • That said, we are going to continue to go after the opportunity that we have there.

  • And believe that we are going to continue to grow that category at very attractive rates.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Okay.

  • Thanks.

  • And then just one follow-up on Gel-One is just any anecdotal feedback from how that launch is going for you guys -- what you are hearing from surgeon customers just in light of broader industry guidelines, and how the surgeons are thinking about prescribing patterns and behavior.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • No negative effects on that development at this point in time.

  • Obviously, for us it's a smaller product category because it's a recent launch.

  • But we haven't seen any pullback on the usage rate.

  • That's probably a question that would be posed, and maybe you would get a more comprehensive response from someone who has been in the market for an extended period of time relative to us.

  • But we don't see that creating any immediate headwind.

  • And our launch is tracking at or in front of the pace that we contemplated in the plan.

  • I would tell you we continue to get terrific feedback on the product itself.

  • The lower volume, the great track record on lack of any kind of pseudosepsis response with that product has made it one that our customer base has been very receptive to integrating into their practice.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Okay.

  • Great.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Matt Miksic with Piper Jaffray.

  • Matt Miksic - Analyst

  • Thanks.

  • Good morning.

  • Generally, obviously, a pretty impressive step-up in knee growth.

  • One question on that and then I have a follow-up for Jim on margins.

  • On the knee side, can you talk about what sort of dialogue you have been having around the premium for the product?

  • That was a question at the rollout.

  • You obviously want to be able to get paid for the development and research that's gone into the system.

  • The environment is a little tougher maybe than the last large knee launch that we have seen.

  • And I would love to hear what the response has been and how you have been able to capture some of that value.

  • And then, as I mentioned, a follow-up for Jim.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • Sure, Matt.

  • The response that we've received to date has been very positive.

  • I would say, if anything, probably on the up side within the range of our expectations going in as to what we thought we could get to stick from a price standpoint.

  • The core value proposition there is one that speaks to the broader audiences that we're involved in, in selling such a product and technology at this point in time, as compared to a decade ago.

  • As you referenced, a prior knee system launch.

  • So we're getting a great response from the surgeon community on the personalized implants.

  • The implant design allows for better fit, feel, and function, and very anatomically accurate.

  • Terrific feedback on the anatomically designed tibia.

  • The coverage with that tibia and what that leads to as far as performance and rotation.

  • The bone conserving nature of the implant system is another area.

  • And, then, the shape and sizing options to do as precise of a patient matching as is possible, both pre-operatively and intra-operatively, have all been value propositions that have resonated with the surgeon base.

  • Also with the surgeons we've received very good feedback on the instrumentation.

  • The design of these instruments are kitted in a fashion that leads to a nice efficiency opportunity for the hospital, and so it can reduce sterilization costs.

  • So that's a message that resonates with that stakeholder in the discussion.

  • And it's being full economically for them.

  • And then the ergonomically designed instruments speak very well to the surgeons, and help with the precise implantation of the system.

  • And then, finally, when we're talking about the performance long term of the product, and some of the differentiated technologies we're incorporating, our Vivacit-E highly cross-linked bearing surface into the Persona system, that warrants a premium.

  • We have great evidence scientifically to prove out why that's a better bearing surface.

  • That's led us to successful discussions in that regard.

  • And then ultimately a cementless knee is a coming attraction, with Trabecular Metal technology incorporated in.

  • So, we're doing really well in these discussions, Matt, and finding a lot of interest among our legacy surgeons, competitive surgeons.

  • And finding nice success in the pricing discussion of this system to date.

  • Matt Miksic - Analyst

  • That's great.

  • Congratulations on that.

  • On the margins, Jim, I know you got into this a little bit already, and went through some detail, but I just wanted to clarify.

  • It sounded like the delta in gross margins in the quarter and going forward, we have an OSP-related mix hit.

  • We have a geography-related hit on mix, a delta in FX hedging and some E&O charges.

  • First, are those the basic points for this quarter and going forward?

  • And, second, if you could talk maybe -- I don't know if you hit on proportions of what those are, and maybe how we should expect the trends to go the rest of the year, if that might be asking too much.

  • Jim Crines - CFO

  • Those are the right elements, Matt.

  • And, as I indicated, we are anticipating less pressure from excess and obsolete inventory charges in the back half of the year.

  • As well, we're expecting more favorite hedge results, as well as a more favorable shift towards higher-margin products as we get deeper into the launch of Persona, and the mix of revenue within the surgical business shifts more towards a better balance as between the capital sales and disposable sales.

  • As far as what those various pressures, those various components that I spiked out were, in terms of how they were impacting in the second quarter, without getting too detailed, I just indicated that the product mix and inventory charges accounted for the majority of that pressure in the second quarter, and geographic mix less.

  • It had a negative impact, but less of an impact than the other two components.

  • Matt Miksic - Analyst

  • So, to color on the OSP-related, is this a matter of you have launched the product, you are loading, if you will, accounts with the capital side -- the razor side of the razor blade, if you will.

  • And as the blade consumption picks up across these accounts, the margins will start to pick back up.

  • Is that the thinking?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • Yes, generally that is the dynamic.

  • The capital equipment margin is a lower margin than the annuity that flows from the disposables.

  • So, as you place those units, your mix of revenues will rebalance over time and the higher margin will become more prominent.

  • Matt Miksic - Analyst

  • Got it.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • David Lewis with Morgan Stanley.

  • Steve Beuchaw - Analyst

  • Hi, good morning.

  • It's Steve Beuchaw here stepping in for David.

  • Just had one housekeeping question, first, and then a couple on the markets.

  • Jim, I wonder if you could give us any sense of whether there was a material impact anywhere of any selling day irregularities year on year.

  • And, maybe if you could, any sense for which geographies or product lines, where they might have been more impactful.

  • Jim Crines - CFO

  • I think we pointed this out on our last call.

  • We did have an extra selling day in the quarter.

  • And we'll have an extra selling day in the third quarter, as well.

  • But not across all geographies.

  • So, to the extent it was not across all geographies, in our case it probably contributed less than 1 point.

  • Somewhere between 0.5 point and 1 full point within the quarter.

  • Steve Beuchaw - Analyst

  • And then, David, on the US ortho market, one of your competitors not only made comments that are pretty similar to yours, indicating more or less that the markets are steady if not slightly improving on a underlying basis.

  • And went so far as to say it doesn't seem like we are seeing in 2013 the summer slowdown in the US that we've seen over the last two or three years.

  • Would you echo those views about what's going on in US hips and knees?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • I think from what we saw in Q2, it's a performance in the market that I think is pretty consistent with general trends over the last several quarters.

  • There are blips up or down from quarter to quarter, as we've discussed in the past.

  • We saw a bit of a step-up in Q4 of 2012.

  • And then it looked like, at least in the case of knees within the US, a bit of a step-down in Q1 of 2013.

  • And then that looks like it strengthened by 100 basis points from Q1 to Q2.

  • But then that just lands you back in what has been a pretty consistent range of a 2% to 3% growth rate across the last many quarters.

  • I think that's the right way to think about the market.

  • Steve Beuchaw - Analyst

  • That's very helpful.

  • And then the last one on Europe, maybe putting a more positive spin on it.

  • If you follow the macro headlines, the consensus view seems to be for Europe, broadly speaking, that austerity is probably not -- and this is a broad generalization -- probably not what the continent wants to be doing with regard to policies around, let's call it, Spain, Portugal, Italy, maybe some of the peripheral countries.

  • So maybe we get some relief of austerity.

  • Some of our survey work would suggest that you are already seeing signs that things are bottoming out.

  • In your view, is there a case to be made here that some of these peripheral countries that were early drags on growth in Europe could start to reverse over the next 12 months?

  • And if so, what should we be looking at as the leading indicators?

  • Thanks.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • I think that what you pose is quite possible, Steve.

  • But it really is speculation to say that the macroeconomic conditions are going to trend in one direction or another.

  • There are people that have backgrounds, and spend a lot more time studying and providing those forecasts, than us.

  • I would tell you, as it relates to the musculoskeletal market, the reason that I think, we believe, that it's going to show some level of stability is just you can only push back on the procedure demand and defer those cases for so long before there is going be some political unrest within the population bases.

  • So the aging population is what it is.

  • That hasn't changed.

  • If the procedure rates started to tick down because there was a pullback in the allocation of resources to do those cases last year, I think as we get deeper into 2013 there has to be some leveling off of that because those patients don't have other solutions.

  • So, just the core drivers for these markets don't melt away.

  • They are still there.

  • And at some point there will be enough of an active population base seeking these solutions that have proven results to where the market will come back a bit.

  • Especially in these developed markets that look like they stepped down pretty significantly as we got to the back half of 2012, I think that we'll see some stabilization in the second half of this year.

  • Steve Beuchaw - Analyst

  • Again, really helpful.

  • Thanks so much, everyone.

  • Operator

  • Kristen Stewart with Deutsche Bank.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Good morning.

  • It's Rob in for Kristen.

  • I wanted to touch on -- you saw a nice turnaround in spine this quarter, a nice uptick in growth sequentially.

  • Can you speak to the dynamics there, and how much is that a Zimmer phenomenon and how much is that a market?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • I think for us we have seen stabilization as it pertains to price.

  • And I think a market that hasn't changed dramatically, the big difference maker is we're putting new products out the door.

  • And that's fueling the improvement in our top-line performance It's been a good number of quarters in the making, but the team there has been very focused on innovating in a relevant way, concentrating on the core fusion market, which is the lion's share of that $8 billion, $9 billion market that exists, and delivering solutions that are responsive to what customers are seeking.

  • So, we're getting our blocking and tackling down, and executing and starting to see the positive benefits of that with the right products coming out the door.

  • A nice pipeline of future launches.

  • And I would also tell you that I think our commercial execution on the sales side is -- these guys have worked very hard and we're finding traction and improving, and they're building the talent out within that network.

  • So it's just the beginning of what we believe should be a positive trend in our performance.

  • And it's the case across the globe.

  • We had step-up in performances with more of the right products in the bag O-US, as well as within the United States, and saw sequential improvement in all three geographic segments.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Great.

  • Thanks helpful.

  • And looking at the US trauma business, growth ticked down there sequentially.

  • There is obviously a number of moving parts, given Synthes and J&J.

  • Can you just speak to the performance of that business and the dynamics in that market?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • Yes.

  • We've had a very strong run for multiple quarters now.

  • And our performance has been on a positive track in all three geographic segments.

  • Continued on a positive track in the O-US segments.

  • It's a product portfolio we have built out over the last handful of years.

  • And we feel like we have a very competitive offering at this point in time, only further shored up by virtue of the NORMED acquisition.

  • So, there was a market opportunity that was somewhat unique in Q1.

  • We shared in some of that opportunity.

  • Obviously, that melted away in Q2.

  • And we had some other Zimmer-unique issues that will resolve and get back on track in the US in the coming quarters.

  • It's a market that we think is quite attractive.

  • We have made a lot of progress in building out the product portfolio, and bringing emphasis to the sale of those products across all three geographic segments.

  • And I think we just have more work to do in the US jurisdiction.

  • And we just want to continue the momentum O-US.

  • But we are going to be in good shape going forward in trauma.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Great.

  • Thanks, guys.

  • Operator

  • Bill Plovanic with Canaccord.

  • Bill Plovanic - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my questions.

  • Just on the med device tax, could you quantify what the impact was in the quarter for that?

  • Jim Crines - CFO

  • As we pointed out before, we are anticipating somewhere on the order of $10 million to $15 million of charges hitting cost to sales.

  • And as we've also pointed out, the way we are accounting for that is, as the tax gets paid it gets capitalized in inventory.

  • And then will get released into the P&L if that inventory is sold.

  • So there was virtually no impacts in the P&L in the first half of the year.

  • So in neither the first or second quarters.

  • As that inventory works its way through the system we will begin to see some charges in the back half of the year.

  • Bill Plovanic - Analyst

  • Great.

  • I just wanted to clarify that.

  • And then on the hip business, that was a nice turnaround.

  • That business in the US has been up a little the past couple quarters, down a little last quarter, and you had a good quarter this quarter.

  • Anything specifically driving that, either in the US or Asia-Pac?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • We have a competitive offering on the hip side.

  • And generally doing a pretty good job in all three jurisdictions.

  • I think that we need to pick up the pace and improve in some of the big markets in Europe.

  • But those are the markets that have been hit with across-the-board slowdowns.

  • So, I expect us to be able to continue the overall performance at least at market growth rates, and hopefully as European markets stabilize, to benefit from that because of our geographic mix within hips.

  • But the technologies that we're driving are the right technologies.

  • We are doing really well with the Continuum Cup.

  • We've got a broad stem offering.

  • We like the prospects of the Avenir stem, and are seeing really nice traction, particularly from surgeons that are interested in the anterior supine approach.

  • And we have a nice pipeline coming, too.

  • So, we're in good shape with respect to hips, as well as opportunities for intelligent instruments in that category.

  • Bill Plovanic - Analyst

  • And are you concerned at all, with the sales force focus on knees in the Persona, that you can maintain continued growth in the hip?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • We will be able to maintain it.

  • Our core channel is focused on large joints.

  • You are right to be sensitive to it, and we will be sensitive to it.

  • But we're going to look to ensure that we drive balance in those sales.

  • Those are our two largest franchises.

  • And so much of the business is built around knees and hips.

  • Bill Plovanic - Analyst

  • All right.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Jeff Johnson with Robert Baird.

  • Jeff Johnson - Analyst

  • David, I wondered if we could just look at the dental business for a second.

  • Growth maybe slowed down 200 basis points sequentially.

  • You came up against a slightly easier comp.

  • Is that just European market more than anything?

  • Is there anything competitive in there?

  • Just any color you could give would be helpful.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • O-US market, and not just Europe in that case, Jeff.

  • I think that Japan, in particular, and what's happened as far as a bit of a transformation within the marketplace in Korea, has contributed to that, as well.

  • Jeff Johnson - Analyst

  • All right.

  • And the Japanese headwinds have been going on for what now?

  • -- three, four quarters?

  • Are we almost through most of those, at least anniversarying through those?

  • Is that base of business down to a defensible area here for you and probably the whole market?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • We keep looking for that.

  • These have been challenging markets.

  • And probably markets that we talk about price pressure in some of the different product categories and geographies in which we operate.

  • I'd tell you, as it relates to dental, there have been some more fundamental transformations going on, with deeper penetration by the value providers.

  • So that's some of what you see in addition to the procedural pullback.

  • And when you layer that dynamic on top of a procedural pullback that's driven by the fundamental macroeconomic conditions, you start to be able to reconcile the growth rates across that market.

  • Jeff Johnson - Analyst

  • Understood.

  • And then just as a follow-up question, on the acquisition front, I just want to understand, with NORMED and with Knee Creations, I think Dornoch will anniversary after this quarter, but in the quarter itself maybe, I think you talked about a $5 million run rate from acquisitions.

  • Is that about what you are expecting the acquisition contribution in the back half of the year, as well?

  • Just trying to reconcile relative to your updated guidance.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • I'd say it will be in a similar range because I think we get into Q4 before the Dornoch acquisition anniversaries out, as opposed to Q3.

  • But you are talking about a $200 million difference one way or another, depending on when you snap the line and are looking for the revenues to anniversary out.

  • None of those acquisitions are substantial in the way of acquired revenue run rates.

  • They are all substantial by way of the opportunity and the accretive nature if we execute them well.

  • And to date we have done just that.

  • Jeff Johnson - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Understood.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Bruce Nudell with Credit Suisse.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Thanks for taking the question.

  • This is Matt in for Bruce.

  • I just wanted to clarify.

  • In response to an earlier question I think you said Gel-One was closer to $5 million than $10 million.

  • I'm just wondering, inclusive of all the items that were reclassified from surgical and other, is that around $10 million that went into the Americas knees in the second quarter?

  • Or is it a little more, little less?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • We are not going to start parsing million dollar sections, Matt, of our -- it's our largest franchise.

  • So any of those movements are not substantial in the context of our knee business, which is, round numbers, 40% of our overall business.

  • So, not substantial, by the way, of absolute revenue dollars.

  • And the biggest contributor on year-over-year growth was Gel-One.

  • And, as I characterized that in response to the question of thinking of it as a range of $5 million to $10 million, I said that's the right range.

  • And as between those two numbers it's closer to the lower end of that range than the upper end of that range in Q2.

  • But we are going to be cautious about getting into quarterly report-outs of single-digit million dollar revenue numbers.

  • I hope you understand.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Sure.

  • And then just on Knee Creations, can you maybe share your thoughts with us on the market opportunity for that product longer term?

  • And when that could start to be a significant revenue generator.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • This is really an interesting technology and one that we're very excited about.

  • I think that we obviously are looking at unmet clinical needs across our business.

  • Knees is our largest business.

  • And satisfaction rates within knees, notwithstanding the terrific clinical performance as measured by lack of revision as an endpoint clinical marker, total knee replacements are going to continue to be very much in demand.

  • But we're of a view that there are going to be opportunities to move upstream in the disease state, catch opportunities to provide a terrific patient solution earlier in the disease state.

  • And in that continuum of care, these early intervention strategies that we're putting together can be very meaningful in providing a great benefit to patients in a cost-effective way.

  • As you can see, we have been assembling a portfolio of these solutions, including Gel-One, including DeNovo, including Chondrofix.

  • And now, with the pickup of Knee Creations and the Subchondroplasty technique and technologies and products, we believe it can be a big difference-maker.

  • Because the bone marrow edema pathology is one that we think is under-estimated in the effect that it has on patients.

  • And we need to build out the clinical proof points for that to ramp up, and that's likely to take some number of operating periods going forward.

  • But this could be a very significant solution that ends up reshaping how some of these patients in earlier disease states are treated.

  • So we're excited about it and we'll look to make further investment and build out the clinical proof points to be able to pursue the expansion of that solution and offering to surgeons and patients globally.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Okay.

  • Thanks for taking the questions.

  • Operator

  • Joanne Wuensch with BMO Capital Markets.

  • Joanne Wuensch - Analyst

  • Thank you very much for taking my question.

  • In order for gross margins to improve throughout the year do you need the OSP uptake to slow down?

  • Jim Crines - CFO

  • No, we don't need it to slow down at all.

  • And we would be more than happy to have it continue at the same pace we saw it at the second quarter.

  • As you can understand, Joanne, we are more than happy to have the absolute number in terms of gross margin growing at a pace with the top-line growth we are seeing in that surgical products business.

  • If that weighs on the ratio, that's okay, to the extent that we're getting significant growth, absolute growth, in gross margins and operating profit.

  • It's just the case that -- that's why I pointed out -- we do expect the mix, the change of it, going forward.

  • There were very significant new customer capital installations that occurred over the course of the second quarter.

  • And over time as we get these new customers set up and the capital installed, naturally we are going to be selling more of the higher-margin, single-use disposables relative to the capital.

  • Joanne Wuensch - Analyst

  • And then the acquisitions you have been making lately have been what we would call the small tuck-in variety.

  • Have you changed, or could you refresh us on your M&A viewpoint?

  • And thank you.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • Sure, Joanne.

  • Our M&A viewpoint has not changed over time.

  • We have rigorous return metrics that we apply to evaluating any opportunity.

  • And it just so happens that we have been able to identify and successfully execute on some of the smaller and bolt-on and tuck-in acquisitions with products and technologies that have built out our portfolio, and addressed anatomical sites in areas that we felt like we could further strengthen our portfolio and offerings.

  • We would have an appetite, obviously, to do bigger transactions, though we're going to be very disciplined about the evaluation of those opportunities.

  • And to the extent that we can identify a medium-sized or even a larger transaction that satisfies the return metrics that we apply to evaluating those opportunities, then we would put energy towards doing such a transaction.

  • But I think that we would look to continue to at least have a constant cadence of the kinds of deals that we have been doing for the last couple, three years on the M&A front.

  • Joanne Wuensch - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Jason Wittes with Brean Capital.

  • Jason Wittes - Analyst

  • I wanted to ask about your pricing strategy with knees.

  • There is quite a bit of differentiation in terms of, I'd say, modularity in terms of whether that be Trabecular Metal or the Vivacit-E Cups.

  • But how does that play against a hospital that has capitated pricing?

  • Does that mean that you just end up with more implants at the higher end of the spectrum?

  • Or are you able to offset some of that capitation?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • We, just as they are, are doing a value analysis in those discussions.

  • And so there are going to be instances where, by virtue of the volume that's driven, and the service requirements and the instrument deployments, which are not inconsequential in this business, all of those are factors that go into what price point we are going to take those kinds of technologies into a particular system or individual facility.

  • But there is, obviously, a structure and a rationale to how we position our systems and the technologies.

  • We have the benefit, frankly, of having a broad enough portfolio to where we're able to position our products and systems in a way that can address about any customer's wants, needs, and desires in that regard, Jason.

  • Jason Wittes - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • So, in other words, there is some negotiation that still happens.

  • And you're able to come to the table with both increased service offering plus it sounds like some clinical backing to some of the differentiation in your knees.

  • Is that fair to say?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • That's exactly right.

  • There will continue to be negotiation in those discussions.

  • I think that the onus is on us, as we've described in the past, increasingly to provide empirical proof of the superiority of any new technology or system that we are launching.

  • And, as well, to innovate in a way that is helping those customers address their concerns for delivering excellent patient outcomes in a very cost-effective way.

  • So, that is something that is embedded in any R&D project that we scope out, to ensure that we're delivering value on multiple fronts.

  • Jason Wittes - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then just quickly in terms of the knee rollout, I assume that there is still more to go in terms of rolling out.

  • My understanding going into the year was that you'd start to see it this quarter but it's really the next two where you would see the new knee in the hands of more surgeons.

  • Is that the right way to think about it?

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • It is.

  • And I'd ask you, or encourage you, to take a step back even further from that.

  • This type of a system launch is a multi-operating period launch, as opposed to just a multi-quarter within an operating period launch.

  • So this is the first full year of the launch.

  • And there will be several years of instrument deployments in the US and O-US markets.

  • And then there are going to be phases of technologies in addition to that system that take place over multiple operating periods, too.

  • So it's one of the reasons, frankly, that we're so excited about the receptivity that we saw in a limited release last year, and the general release, as we broadened this year.

  • We just feel like we are on a terrific track at this point in time for multiple operating periods, to go after competitive business and do great things for patients, and take share.

  • That's what we're out to accomplish within the knee category.

  • Jason Wittes - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • Thank you very much.

  • David Dvorak - CEO

  • You are welcome, Jason.

  • I'd like to thank everyone for joining the call today and your continued interest and support for Zimmer.

  • We look forward to speaking to you on our third-quarter conference call, which is scheduled for 8.00 AM on October 24.

  • And with that, I'll turn the call back to you, Monserat.

  • Operator

  • Thank you again for participating in today's conference call.

  • You may now disconnect.