Pegasystems Inc (PEGA) 2019 Q2 法說會逐字稿

Good day, and welcome to the Pegasystems Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call.

Today's conference is being recorded.

At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Kenneth Stillwell, Chief Financial Officer, Chief Administrative Officer and Senior Vice President.

Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Pegasystems Q2 2019 Earnings Call.

Before we begin, I'd like to read our safe harbor statement.

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Because such statements deal with future events, they are subject to various risks and uncertainties.

Actual results for fiscal year 2019 and beyond could differ materially from the company's current expectations.

Factors that could cause the company's results to differ materially from those expressed in forward-looking statements are contained in the company's press release announcing its Q2 2019 earnings and in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including its annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2018, and other recent filings with the SEC.

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Although subsequent events may cause our view to change, except as required by applicable law, we do not undertake, and specifically disclaim, any obligation to publicly update or revise these forward-looking statements, whether as the result of new information, future events or otherwise.

And with that, I will turn the call over to Alan Trefler, Founder and CEO of Pegasystems.

Thank you, Ken.

At midyear, I'm excited with the progress we're making.

We showed strong growth in ACV and remarkable growth in Pega Cloud, which was 60% of our new business for the first half.

I am pleased with how our strategy is playing out as we continue to gain traction in seizing the huge opportunity in front of us.

At the same time, our cloud transition makes it harder to easily understand our progress by looking at revenue, which is why we focus on ACV metrics that more accurately reflect the health of our business.

Ken will provide more context on this in a few minutes.

Now I spend a lot of time with clients and prospects talking about what's working and what's not as they pursue their digital transformation initiatives.

It's clear that the level of hype regarding some technologies is intensifying and creating confusions and missteps in the industry.

Now over 3-plus decades in the software industry, I have seen how easy it is to get distracted by what's trending.

My focus is always on what's going to work for clients now and in the long run.

The emerging and accelerating market themes we see, regardless of geography or industry, are representative of what clients want to be successful and to demonstrate tangible value, start fast but be able to pursue full and broad digital transformation.

We deliver several key technologies that significantly drive digital transformation by leveraging them correctly as part of an end-to-end strategy.

Now let's start with process automation, which is interesting that many have equated with so-called RPA, or robotic process automation.

Now RPA can provide value to an organization interested in automating isolated tasks.

But the amount of hype and confusion in this market is staggering.

We believe that RPA needs to be part of a digital process automation approach which uses robots in the right context.

It's critical to move from thinking robots first to thinking end-to-end automation where RPA is a part of a coherent digital process automation or DPA strategy, not robots being the entire strategy.

Now importantly, we were recently ranked as a leader in DPA, digital process automation, for deep deployments by Forrester.

And we were #1 or #2 rated out of 10 providers in all 3 of the report's main scoring categories.

And we see our clients embracing this message with positive results, and we believe the broader industry is beginning to catch on to this as well.

For example, Gartner's recent Magic Quadrant for RPA software notes that, "RPA tools deliver more sustainable solutions when combined with an intelligent business process management suite." We were named a visionary in this MQ, which reported that, "Pega is in a good position to gain from its long-term vision of integrating RPA tightly with its BPM suite and related CRM applications." And it's interesting, there was a report from just last month where Gartner actually said that "By 2021, task-centric RPA offerings in their common form will be obsolete.

Task automation has been masquerading as process automation.

The rise of true end-to-end processing makes RPA's capabilities and limitations more visible." So we feel really good that in having acquired OpenSpan nearly 3 years ago and being able to really pull it in as a core part of the Pega solution is absolutely the right strategy and lets us have both a different take on this market, but also a much, much more effective one.

It's worth noting that Pega is the only unified product in Gartner's business process management and robotic process automation Magic Quadrants.

And it's interesting that recently one of our clients, a top automaker, requested we replace the rogue RPA robots they deployed up from one of the standalone robotics companies.

Now let's look at Low Code, where a model-driven approach is critical to allowing lots of constituencies to participate in app development.

Now many of the Low Code tools that exist today are being used to create disconnected non-IT compliant apps that will eventually become a problem for their organization, kind of like the RPA phenomenon.

And for those of us who've been around before, we've seen this movie.

It's what happened to businesses that depended on Lotus Notes or PowerBuilder and then ended up with a real headache.

Without the end-to-end connections, clients risk creating disjointed experience for their customers and for their staff.

You have staff bouncing between applications, like we used do alt-tab in the old days to go from one window to another.

It's not a way to have sustainable transformational success.

Now Pega pioneered Low Code with our model-driven development approach, which is at the core of what we deliver.

It allows clients to quickly develop and deliver coherent applications, so that they can work together that they create a sensible and sane experience.

Now to better enable the citizen developer this past quarter, we announced the enterprise Low Code factory to guide citizen developers in making enterprise compliant applications.

It provides tools, resources and training to allow anyone to build software, while providing IT with the necessary controls to ensure consistency, auditability and governance.

And finally, let's look at AI, another technology area with lots of hype.

Now many of the solutions on this market -- in this market are providing only limited results and it's important to remember that AI isn't one thing, it's many technologies: machine learning, natural language processing, deep learning pattern recognition, and it delivers value in many different ways.

For example, our clients use Pega AI-powered natural language processing to be able to parse and automatically process e-mails and turn them into end-to-end automations like I mentioned.

But the biggest values our clients are getting from AI is that it can power one-to-one customer engagement that it can learn and adjust in real time.

They want to make each contact with the customer tailored to just who that customer is, what they want and need, with the ability to adjust as those needs and wants change.

Through Pega's Customer Decision Hub, our real-time AI engine, we're handling millions of interactions every day for many clients and powering experiences for more than 1.5 billion of their customers tailored to those clients, the customers' needs across multiple channels.

Our AI is what helps power our customer relationship management capabilities, recently recognized by Gartner, who named us a leader in their Magic Quadrant for customer engagement centers.

We think our AI capabilities are world class, but just like we believe in a multi-cloud world, we think we need to live in a multi-AI world as well.

So this past quarter, we introduced new AI connectors that plug into third-party AI engines, including Google and Amazon offerings.

This new capability allows clients to enhance their Pega customer experience with other leading AI services.

I'm more convinced than ever that our focus on delivering the best solutions for customer engagement and for digital process automation is the right approach.

And we have the vision to drive our clients' success.

Now I want to talk a little bit about some of the marketing work we've been doing.

We've discussed a lot of what I've just been talking about at PegaWorld just this past June, where we hosted more than 5,000 attendees from around the world, are coming from more than 650 unique organizations and from more than 50 countries.

We had some outstanding client stories at PegaWorld that brought these themes to life, including, for example, UNUM, who showed how they used Pega RPA to create a full case management platform and replace a manual system for issuing policies in just 12 weeks.

From PayPal, who was using Pega's Low Code capabilities to reduce their release cycles by 77%, so it can respond more quickly to competitive pressures and improve their time to market.

And SiriusXM Radio, who talked about using Pega AI to help them move from a product-focused marketer to a customer-first approach.

I also talked about project Phoenix, our ongoing program to deliver and involve a massively improved living underlying architecture for the Pega Infinity platform.

We've been discussing technology shifts quickly and our model-driven approach allows us tremendous latitude to evolve as technologies change.

We have evolved our platform multiple times through our history and this is the latest set of advancements.

It ensures that our clients will have access to innovative technical capabilities, including improved support of cloud-native technologies, and we've already delivered new capabilities under this program and they are being used successfully by our clients.

One of those is a new, what we call, digital experience API that allows seamless interoperability with a client's preferred mobile and web development environments to ensure a coherent experience across multiple applications.

This capability was highlighted at PegaWorld by Rabobank, a Dutch bank, who was using Pega to improve customer experience across channels.

Their goal is to provide a completely digital experience for customers so that they can get the advice and help they need wherever they need it through whatever channel those customers prefer.

This presentation as well as all PegaWorld keynotes and breakouts are available on pega.com.

And if you couldn't join us live, I encourage you to check them out.

We've also been increasing our investment in a global road show series we call the Customer Engagement Summits, where we typically register 700 to 1,200 customers.

At the most recent Amsterdam event, we had a great main stage set of presentations from our clients at Vodafone, Achmea and ING.

We've held 5 in the first half of 2019 and have another 6 even bigger ones scheduled for the second half, including our government-empowered event in Washington, D.C. on November 6. We're anticipating a terrific line of speakers, and we'll be announcing in the coming weeks.

And if an investor is interested in attending, please let us know.

So in summary, I'm really excited about the strong progress we're making.

I see it borne out by results, our client successes and by our third-party validation.

We're in a hot market with the right products and I believe the right strategy to help our clients succeed.

And though we're pleased with our progress, we're aware of how much more opportunity exists and how much more we need to do.

To provide more color on financial results, I will turn it over to Ken.

Thanks, Alan.

We're very much where we wanted to be at this point in the year.

We've experienced strong growth in ACV, a solid increase in new licensing cloud commitments and the continued shift to cloud arrangements.

We continue our transition from a business that's largely sold its software on a perpetual on-premise basis to a much larger company that sells the majority of our software on a recurring cloud basis.

ACV growth continues to be the most important metric that reflects the successful execution of our strategy.

Total ACV is the sum of recurring Pega Cloud and Client Cloud commitments, representing the recurring annual spend by our clients.

For the first half of 2019, we experienced fantastic momentum, with licensing cloud ACV up 33% and Pega Cloud ACV increasing an amazing 65% from the first half of 2018.

During the same period, total ACV increased 21% on a constant currency basis, reaching $613 million, an increase of over $100 million from 1 year ago.

This growth reinforces our confidence in our long-term targets.

And it's even more impressive given that we didn't change our sales model until the first quarter of 2018 when we moved from a total contract value, or TCV, approach to an ACV-based one.

Our continued positive momentum in ACV growth reflects solid demand around the world for digital transformation solutions.

We continue to see companies engaging in digital transformation on modernized technology, so their customers have a favorable experience and they build efficiencies across their organization.

Pega continues to be at the center of this digital transformation, a massive market opportunity growing at an accelerated pace.

So let me take a few moments to update you on how well we're executing our plan to transform our business to a recurring model.

We continue to move much more aggressively into selling software in the cloud on a recurring basis.

For the first half of 2019, 60% of our new bookings were Pega Cloud.

To provide a comparison from just 2 years ago, Pega Cloud as a percentage of new client commitments was approximately 20% in the first half of 2017.

That's a tremendous shift in just 24 months.

Recall that we had anticipated Pega Cloud increasing to approximate 50% of our new commitments in 2019, so the acceleration to 60%.

It's a welcomed variance and it's significant.

As a result of solid execution quarter by quarter for the last several years, recurring revenue increased to 65% of Pega's total revenue for the first half of 2019.

You can also see further evidence of our transformation success by looking at remaining performance obligations, also called backlog.

Pega Cloud backlog increased by $148 million to $362 million at the end of Q2, a dramatic increase of 69% from 1 year ago.

Total backlog increased 32% in the same period to $628 million.

Our robust backlog is another benefit of our cloud transition.

Historically, much of our bookings were taken as revenue in the current period, sometimes causing lumpiness in our quarterly results.

These days the largest portion of our bookings are cloud, most of which goes into backlog, creating a more predictable cash flow stream.

Our ongoing transformation to a recurring business has been deliberate and intentional.

That's because we have a high confidence that the long-term benefits of a recurring business model, including a more predictable future revenue and cash flow stream in the future, far outweigh the short-term optics around reported revenue growth and any impact to cash flow and reported EPS and margin.

We're confident that a greater mix of recurring contracts is the correct long-term strategy direction for our business.

However, in the short term, moving away from perpetual sales, replaces large upfront cash and revenue with cash and revenue that will be received and recognized over multiple years, causing a lag between business we win and its revenue, thus the mismatch between revenue and costs.

You can see the impact of the cloud transition on our reported results.

Reported revenue for the first half of 2019 totaled $418 million, a 3% decline from the first half of 2018.

While ACV on a constant currency basis, at RPO backlog, saw over 20% and 30% growth respectively during the same period.

I want to reiterate that we started the year with an expectation that Pega Cloud commitments would make up about 50% of new bookings versus the 60% we saw in the first half of the year.

As a reminder, each 1% shift to Pega Cloud has the potential to reduce full year revenue by approximately $3.8 million in 2019 as the economic value of new Pega Cloud deals is reflected in ACV, but it is largely not reflected in current period revenue.

Therefore, if you adjust for the impact of the faster-than-expected cloud transition, revenue would be approximately $20 million higher for the first half.

Moving next to revenue components, maintenance revenue grew by 5% to $137 million in the first half.

Our consulting revenue was $114 million, a year-over-year decrease of 14% or $19 million from the first half of 2018.

This is consistent with our strategy to encourage an increasing share of implementation effort to our integration partners.

Additionally, we had a very large government contract where we have significantly enabled the client, reducing the necessary involvement for Pega, which we also consider strategic.

You can also see the impact to Pega Cloud transition in our reported cash flow, EPS and margin as we continue to accelerate our growth through investments in sales capacity to pursue the great digital transformation market opportunity.

It's also worth noting that our marketing expenses are the largest in Q2 due to the PegaWorld event.

And with demand for Pega Cloud exceeding even our expectations, we're building out our cloud infrastructure to continue scaling the significant growth engine, which also has near-term impact on cloud margin improvement.

Q3 cost should be largely in line with Q2 without the cost of PegaWorld, but also reflecting the investments in our Customer Engagement Summits, as Alan mentioned, and also increasing go-to-market investment.

For the second quarter of 2019 reporting both GAAP and non-GAAP results, a full reconciliation of all GAAP to non-GAAP measures is provided in the financial tables in the press release issued earlier today, and those are also available on the Investor section of our website.

So now let's turn to a few other details from our year-to-date financial results.

We finished the period with total cash and marketable securities of over $155 million.

In the first half of 2019, we returned about $44 million to shareholders, comprised of a little more than $4 million in dividends and approximately $40 million in share buybacks.

We finished Q2 2019 with just over 4,900 employees worldwide.

In summary, we're very much where we wanted to be at this point in the year with an even greater cloud demand than we anticipated.

With this faster-than-expected move to cloud, we're continuing to invest and a little earlier than anticipated to support this growth.

And while this impacts our near-term profitability, it puts us in a much stronger position to drive scale and margin improvement over the longer term as Pega Cloud becomes a greater part of our business.

We're pleased with our midyear execution against our strategy, we're focused on finishing 2019 strong and continuing that momentum into 2020.

And with that, operator, we'll open the call to questions.

(Operator Instructions) I'll take our first question from Rishi Jaluria from D.A. Davidson.

Let me start by talking a little bit or asking a little bit about partners.

I think one thing that impressed me at PegaWorld was kind of the size of the practices that a lot of your partners have.

So wanted to get a sense with, as you've had more of this Pega Cloud business, how has the reception from your partners been?

Have they embraced it or is there a worry that with more out of the box that maybe they -- it's a headwind of the size of their Pega practices?

Yes.

I don't think that Pega Cloud is in any way negative, I think it's only a positive.

Because it's allowed us, as you can just tell from the size of this PegaWorld and number of organizations compared to the past, it's just made it easier for us to penetrate new organizations and that's what they like.

The like to get footholds in new places.

They like to build it out.

And in reality, the sort of messy stuff around software-on-premise implementations, those weren't really done by our partners anyway.

Those were typically done by the companies' IT teams.

So we haven't really replaced that.

So we're seeing -- I'm sure you saw it and I'm sure you did reference checks with partners, a tremendous amount of excitement across the board.

And we're looking to turn that into having them make even greater investments in building out their practices, which, as you know, can be several thousand trained and certified Pega people deep.

Great, Alan, that's helpful.

And I think going to maybe a couple of the numbers, starting out now we've got 2 quarters of this breakout of Pega Cloud versus Client Cloud and seems for 2 quarters in a row we're now at about 10% type growth for the Client Cloud and then Pega Cloud obviously a lot faster than that.

Is that kind of a normal way to think about how the growth rates of those 2 components of ACV are going to be?

Or is that -- is it not fair to extrapolate from, I guess, a limited history you got so far of that?

So Rishi, if the mix of bookings that we're seeing, which is largely 60% Pega Cloud, 30% Client Cloud, 10% kind of perpetual licenses, if that mix stayed consistent, I do think your assumption is more right than wrong.

Because you would see the Pega Cloud growth accelerating much faster and you would see the term licenses, so to speak, component of our bookings be something kind of slightly below our overall bookings growth because cloud is a much more dominant piece.

Okay.

That's helpful, Ken.

And then Alan, another one for you.

I wanted to go back to some comments you made in the prepared remarks.

I mean you talked a little bit about cutting through the noise.

I mean obviously you've got people out there or competitors out there talking about Low Code, which you've been doing for a while.

You have competitors and playing up the RPA capabilities, which is a hot space now.

Just want to understand, from your perspective, what can Pega do to help customers kind of cut through that noise and really get some clarity in terms of which technologies are real and which ones are a lot of marketing behind them?

Well, I think it's a multipronged effort.

One thing we need to do is continue to get some of these stories out there and continue to publicize some of the things which we're quite sure are correct, and which we're seeing some receptivity from people who are understanding that sometimes this hype machine is not all that is cracked up to be.

A big part of it is continuing to invest and increase our on-the-ground footprint.

And make sure that we have more people who are both sellers and supporters of sellers who can go out and engage with the clients and engage with the partners and get them to be bought in to these sorts of concepts.

So we have a lot that we can do and we're working hard on doing it.

We just came off of a internal several day planning process, which is going to influence the work that we do this quarter as well as into next year, and being able to tell that RPA story in the right context I think is really key.

When you talk to customers and you say, will you ever use a robot when there was an API, a computer-to-computer application program interface available, they universally say never.

I mean why would you in effect scrape screens when you had a more reliable, faster and auditable, better way to do it, so you wouldn't do it.

So the notion that you're building your systems around these robots, people actually are starting to understanding that, that's backward, which is why I was really sort of amazed last month when -- it's caught on to the point that Gartner, in its picture, showed RPA in its current form as crashing down to, what they call, the trough of disillusionment.

It goes through what they call, the peak of heightened expectations and then the trough of disillusionment in what they call their hype curve.

So it was just pretty amazing to see that.

I would have figured it would've been probably 6 to 12 months out before people were catching on that this thing is a lot of hype.

On top of some good stuff, it's a lot of hype.

Does that make sense?

That's helpful.

And last one for me, I'll just hop off.

Ken, I wanted to just ask about cash flow.

Looks like it was a little bit of a light quarter in terms of collections, right, if you look at the networking capital.

Just anything in particular to call out?

And how should we be thinking about cash flow for the full year?

Yes.

So we don't -- we didn't think it was a light quarter.

We fully expected that cash flow billings, let's say it that way, billings will take somewhat of a hit during this big movement to cloud away from perpetual, and so we're -- we are in only the second year of that movement.

So we fully expected it to -- billings to be kind of lighter, similar to the way that revenue would actually be reduced as you move away from those larger upfront billings.

I think in 2020, it's an important inflection point for us.

2020 is the time period when you start to really see ourselves coming out of that movement into cloud.

And so I think that you should expect that cash flow for the full year would be lower in a year that you're making such a big movement to cloud and away from upfront billing.

So that wasn't a surprise to us.

(Operator Instructions) We'll now take our next question from Austin Williams of Wedbush Securities.

This is Austin on for Steve Koenig.

Just wondering if you guys are sensing any change in spending trends.

I know there's been a lot of concern over some of the macro backdrop, particularly in Europe.

Just kind of wondering if you're seeing any softness there or any change?

Yes.

Look, it's hard not to be a little concerned about everything that's going on around the world, and Europe is a little softer than we'd like.

But no -- there's no concern that, that's changing the rate at which we are looking to go to market and to invest.

There's a lot of business that's out there, and we have a bountiful pipeline.

One comment, just to add a little bit of color to that, Austin.

Brexit is certainly being talked about more as the date approaches.

We haven't -- we can't say that we've seen a noticeable shift in buying patterns because of it, but certainly Brexit is something that people are watching.

We do not have a noticeable business in China, right?

And so for some software companies are different and they do have very large -- so that impact of what's going on doesn't hit us as much as other soft -- some other software companies, so.

Yes, it barely touches us.

Okay.

That's helpful.

And another one for me.

Just are you seeing any kind of -- any particular strength in certain verticals?

And I'm also kind of curious just with Pega Cloud adoption, how does that vary per industry?

So it's pretty much across the board.

Some of our largest Pega Cloud customers are some of the world's largest banks.

And a couple of years ago, would not actually contemplate doing something on the cloud and are now becoming much more enthusiastic.

Also, other industries that you think of as being tough industries, like healthcare, are also really good adopters of Pega Cloud.

So we're seeing across the board.

I'm also just very excited that the government has very assertively moved to consider cloud.

We recently got our FedRAMP certification, which is a really exciting and very positive accomplishment.

And I think that government modernization is enormously promising in general, but especially for Pega Cloud.

And an interesting vertical that you wouldn't expect to adopt cloud is the public sector.

And we just hired our Chief Information Security Officer, Carlos Fuentes, who we announced, started a few weeks ago.

He was essentially in the similar role at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and his feedback was that not only is the government encouraging cloud, but they actually are requiring it because they believe that cloud is a more secure environment, that a public cloud is a more secure environment than the old traditional lock things in rooms on servers.

So I do think that, that's not a vertical you would expect to adopt, but it's very logical why they are.

Okay.

Great.

And then just one last one.

In terms of M&A activity, I think we've seen 2 this year so far.

Just kind of wondering your approach to M&A at this point.

Are you looking to grow the product offering inorganically through tuck-ins at all going forward?

Or should we not expect any more of that?

We're continually looking at things.

We have a high bar because 2 things are very important to us.

One is that we'll be able to do a really good job of incorporating whatever it is that is required into our model-driven architecture.

That's a very important part of our decision criteria because we think the strategy of a lot of our competitors or other companies out there, which is they buy all this stuff, they unify it in their marketing messages and then they stitch it together, isn't a very good or sustainable way to provide high-quality product to customers.

And the second part is we are very sensitive to firms that have people who have great cultures who really want to work with us and that we really want to work with them.

And those 2 things make us highly selective.

So M&A is not central to our strategy, but it's something that we look at continuously.

We'll now take our next question from Pat Walravens from JMP Securities.

This is Mark on for Pat.

So just want to touch on sales capacity.

I think in PegaWorld, you mentioned that for this year you are going to increase coverage of enterprise customers.

So just want to get a sense of the progress there, yes.

Well, I'll let Ken talk to the numbers to the extent he is willing to and I'll talk to the sort of qualitative matters.

We're putting a lot of effort into recruiting talent and that's not just in sales, it's across the company as a whole.

And I'm finding enormous receptivity in the talent pool to come talk to Pega.

You can get a sense of this easily and objectively by just going onto LinkedIn and seeing the people who are coming to us from the other people you would think of as being in our competitive sphere.

And I'm both very impressed with the level of talent that we're finding extremely interested to come to us and we, as I said, have really dialed up that engine and intend to continue doing it, not just for salespeople, but for the entire go-to-market support ecosystem that you need to be able to pull that off.

So the only piece of maybe qualitative comment that I might add to what Alan said is, we have very aggressive plans to grow our go-to-market team and we've talked about the beginning of the year that it is a competitive environment in the hiring landscape.

And so we view the fact that we're able to achieve our hiring plan as just a great positive that -- given how competitive the hiring market is.

So we're seeing great people, we're getting great additional capacity and so we are continuing to move ahead.

Okay.

And just one last one.

I was wondering if you can provide maybe some of the most common use cases for government that is using Pega Cloud?

And how is the adoption there?

Yes.

Sure.

The government is just a terrific place.

It's interesting because we've got great examples of where they both use our cloud, but also they use Client Cloud as well.

Where they are choosing to run it on their own cloud infrastructure, for example, in the Department of Commerce, they've got a very large implementation there that they are running on Client Cloud.

One of the great FedRAMP Pega Cloud environments that we have is in the area of what's called grants management in which you're trying to control how these organizations distribute money: how they figure out who is qualified; how they get the right set of approval and review processes internally; how they follow up.

And I would describe that, I would describe huge swaths of government as being just enormously rich examples of case management process automation tied to rules and intelligence to try to make things not just controlled, but efficient.

And given how old some of the existing systems are, it's a very rich environment in which to be hunting, and we're continuing to build that team out for you certainly as well.

It appears there are no more questions.

So with that -- go ahead.

You go ahead.

Please go ahead.

I was just jumping in.

So let me tell folks that we're working hard on their behalf, that we see enormous opportunities here.

I am really excited that we're making lots of good progress, and look forward to seeing you all soon and talking to you in 3 months.

Have a good day.