Onto Innovation Inc (ONTO) 2022 Q1 法說會逐字稿

Good day and welcome to the Onto Innovation First Quarter Earnings Release Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Michael Sheaffer, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Jenny, and good afternoon, everyone. Onto Innovation issued its 2022 first quarter financial results this afternoon shortly after the market close. If you have not received a copy of the release, please refer to the company's website, where a copy of the release is posted. Joining us on the call today are Michael Plisinski, Chief Executive Officer; and Steven Roth, Chief Financial Officer. As always, I'd like to remind you that the statements made by the management on this call will contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws.

Such statements are subject to a range of changes, risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to vary materially. For more information regarding the risk factors that may impact Onto Innovation's results, I would encourage you to review our earnings release and our SEC filings. Onto Innovation does not undertake the obligation to update these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events.

Today's discussion of our financial results will be presented on a non-GAAP financial basis unless otherwise specified. As a reminder, a detailed reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP results can be found in today's earnings release. I will now go ahead and turn the call over to Mike Plisinski. Mike?

Thanks, Mike. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our first quarter earnings call. I'm pleased to report that the Onto Innovation team delivered another record quarter of $241 million, exceeding the high end of our guidance. This represents a growth of 7% over the prior quarter and an impressive 43% over the first quarter of last year. Operating margins at 31% were in line with our long-term operating model despite the ongoing supply chain challenges, which we'll discuss later in the call.

Another highlight for the start of the year is the increase in magnitude of volume purchase agreements with several of our top semiconductor manufacturers. We've now closed agreements for 2022 valued at over $390 million for inspection and metrology solutions across front and back-end applications. This represents an increase of approximately 40% over the prior year, exceeding estimates for wafer fab equipment growth by almost a factor of 2. We appreciate these expanding partnerships and believe this growth reflects the value of our collaborations and unique combination of software and hardware is delivering to our customers.

So let's begin with a review of the first quarter, starting with our advanced node customers. Revenue from this market grew 36% over the fourth quarter, resulting in a Onto record of $100 million in equipment sales. The strongest growth was from our Atlas metrology platform to support expansions in both DRAM and NAND, each growing by over 70% from the fourth quarter. This demand is a result of both customer expansions and an increasing number of critical layers being moved to the Atlas platform.

Many of these new layers are referred to as advanced process controller APC layers, meaning our metrology is being used to directly impact the process and therefore requires higher sampling rates. But these layers is essential to have the throughput and the measurement robustness necessary to provide the critical data. The combination of our Atlas platform's industry-leading number of discrete channels and the AI to frac software's unique modeling capability is proving to be one of the best solutions for monitoring complex, nanoscale 3D structures and high-volume production.

In addition to metrology for 3D structures, the adoption of Iris cleaner film metrology continues to build momentum and in the quarter, we saw Iris metrology revenue increase with several orders from the new leading NAND customer we announced late in the fourth quarter. We expect additional customers to adopt Iris this year, further expanding our position in this new market segment.

Revenue from advanced logic customers was down after a very strong fourth quarter, but still significant and roughly the same as our NAND revenue. We're encouraged by the fact that about 40% of the logic revenue was in support of 3-nanometer FinFET process control in R&D and pilot production. We review this -- we view this as a good early indication for significant future demand when these customers move to higher volumes.

Now turning to the specialty and advanced packaging markets, our Dragonfly G3 set another record for sales and was adopted by 12 customer sites where we were not previously the inspection process tool of record. These new opportunities spanning both front and back-end applications were opened up because of the high speed and submicron sensitivity of the Dragonfly G3 combined with exclusive features like our Clearfind and TrueADC technology.

Adding to that, an emerging need for defect control on both edge and backside surfaces is proving critical for advanced packaging of chiplet and HBM3 memory packages. Current solutions on the market are not meeting the customers' requirements and to address this need, in close cooperation with the top 3 semiconductor manufacturer, we developed the [EV 40] a powerful new module for the Dragonfly G3. The new EV 40 module provides high-resolution, high-speed inspection of the secondary wafer surfaces. The initial success has already led to a volume purchase agreement totaling over $70 million from this customer over the next 6 quarters.

We expect several other customers to adopt this technology throughout the year. We also see investments in interconnect technology to enable panel-level packaging for heterogeneous devices. The advantages for heterogeneous devices and system performance, power consumption and form factor are well documented. However, the current cost and production constraints of legacy and sub-5-nanometer wafers provides another incentive for designers to leverage chiplet architectures to optimize circuitry for specific design nodes and create leading edge and cost-optimized devices.

So to enable this shift to heterogeneous devices, a significant increase in panel manufacturing is required. A JPMorgan Taiwan report estimates that from 2021 to 2025, manufacturing capacity for these finished panels will expand with a compounded annual growth rate of 20%. Processing these panels is complex, with a lot of inherent variation in the process materials compounded by shrinking interconnects and increasing numbers of layers printed on both sides of the panel.

The first 2 JetStep X500 - Lithography systems are making steady progress through our customers' product qualification stages, which include qualifying their process. This means that together with our customers, we're working to identify opportunities to improve both the tool and the process. Through this effort, we're also demonstrating on to strategic value by broadening the discussions to include process monitoring and control solutions to actively adjust equipment based on the advanced analytics we've developed. We've won 2 such engagements and expect the third panel yield engagement to be added in 2022.

Now, I'll turn it over to Steve for the Q1 financial highlights and the second quarter guidance. Steve?

Thanks, Mike, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll start by providing some details on our Q1 results and follow up with the second quarter guidance. As Mike mentioned, we had another record quarter with first quarter revenues of $241 million, above the high end of guidance. (technical difficulty) Can you hear me?

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I apologize to everyone on the call, I'm having problem with my phone service. So breaking down revenue by market, we saw strengthening of the advanced served market, as Mike mentioned, which represented 40% of sales. Our pressure device and advanced packaging market represented 41% of revenue and experienced a slowdown in the quarter, primarily from RF customers after a strong Q4.

Finally, software and services decreased slightly from the prior quarter to up 17% year-over-year and represent 17% of revenues. Gross margins were 54.3% up from 53.8% in the same period a year ago and down from 54.9% in the fourth quarter. As has been widely publicized by others in the industry, we are experiencing multiple cost pressures from our supply chain that have impacted our gross margins. We have accelerated inventory deliveries to help mitigate unexpected supply chain disruptions that impacted production and customer shipments or commitments.

We have also seen increases in commodity and chip pricing, difficulty in supply availability and a significant increase in logistic costs due to high demand and China lockdowns. Where possible, we are working with suppliers to implement second sources and increase adoption of our newer higher-value systems. First quarter operating expenses were $56.8 million, an increase of $1.9 million from the fourth quarter. The increase was primarily due to higher corporate and payroll taxes associated with variable stock-based compensation in the quarter, as well as higher office expenses as we began reopening our facilities.

Even with these inflationary pressures that we talked about, we were able to tightly manage our discretionary expenses, which resulted in a 31% operating margin for the quarter. Net income increased in the first quarter and was $65.6 million or $1.32 per share and above the high end of our guidance. In the fourth quarter, we reported net income of $61.2 million or $1.23 per share. In addition, we received additional tax benefit as a result of new tax rules regarding mandatory capitalization of research and development costs, which became effective beginning of this year. We're having discussions that the new rules may be repealed, however, if they do stay in effect, we currently expect our effective tax rate to be between 13% and 14%.

Moving to the balance sheet, we ended the first quarter with a cash position of $542 million, up $31 million from Q4. Accounts receivable increased to $207 million in the quarter and our days sales outstanding increased to 78 days. Our inventory increased to $263 million in the quarter on higher planned sales for the second half of 2022 and continued acceleration of inventory deliveries that I just discussed as a hedge against supply chain disruptions.

Now turning to second quarter guidance. We currently expect revenue for the second quarter from our process control business to be between 234 and $248 million. Our guidance range excludes the potential revenue from lithography systems due to the uncertainty and timing of revenue recognition and the growing magnitude of the systems revenue, which could be as high as $20 million in Q2. Earnings per share in the revenue range is expected to be $1.16 and $1.35 per share.

We expect that our gross margins will hold steady at 54.5%, plus or minus 1%, primarily accounting for the impact we see from the supply chains. And again, this guidance does not include lithography systems. For operating expenses, we are aggressively hiring to support our growth and we perform our annual compensation adjustments in the beginning of Q2, therefore we currently anticipate that we are -- our operating expenses will increase in the second quarter and be in the range of $57.5 million to $60.5 million.

With that, I'll turn the call back to Mike for additional insights on Q2 and the remainder of 2022. Mike?

Thank you, Steve. I'm glad your phone is working. Using the midpoint of guidance for the second quarter, we're projecting 33% growth for the first half of 2022 versus the prior year, which is well ahead of the current consensus for annual wafer fab equipment growth. As we discussed, our performance reflects not just the strong markets, but our growing position within these markets. And as Steve mentioned, this does not yet include any lithography systems.

In the second quarter and for the remainder of the year, we see 3D NAND investments being the largest contributor to growth. The current transition to high stack 3D NAND is still in the early stages. We estimate that by the end of this year, only 10% of NAND will be greater than 176 layers. We expect that number could be as high as 80% of NAND by the end of 2025. In addition to leveraging our core Atlas OCD metrology, we've been closely collaborating with leaders in high stack NAND to demonstrate the benefits of the Aspect metrology and MetaPULSE Acoustic metrology for critical high stack NAND applications.

As a reminder, the unique benefits of Aspect and Atlas metrology combined to provide fast and accurate channel home metrology, which is critical to yields. We expect to add our second customer for Aspect metrology in this quarter and possibly a third by the year-end. In addition, we've learned the control of the amorphous carbon film thickness is critically important for proper transistor formation in high stack 3D NAND. As these films become thicker, the MetaPULSE is inherently nondestructive on product measurement capability is proving to be the safest and most accurate source of this critical data.

We expect this to be a significant new driver for the MetaPULSE technology, adding to the already strong demand from expanding RF and power customers. To support the growth in DRAM, NAND and logic, the generally conservative silicon wafer manufacturers are increasing capacity over the next year. This creates demand for our Element material systems where we are best-in-class for carbon and oxygen metrology and our NovusEdge unpatterned macro inspection systems, where we are 5x more sensitive at the wafer edge than our competition.

Based on the backlog we have, we expect both products to increase in revenue in the second half of the year and continue to grow into 2023. So with end market demand expected to remain healthy through the year and the additional tailwinds from new applications such as panel lithography, 3D NAND and expansions in silicon wafer manufacturing, we maintain our view that the second half of 2022 will be stronger front to innovation than the first half. Of course, this assumes no unforeseen supply chain or geopolitical impacts which is certainly a factor, but remains very difficult to predict.

And with that, we'll open the line for your questions. Operator?

(Operator Instructions) And we'll go first to Craig Ellis of B. Riley Securities.

Congratulations on the strong execution. Mike, I wanted to start with just a point or a question on one of the operating dynamics you talked about the volume purchase agreement. So clearly, very strong customer engagement with Onto year-to-date with, I believe, it was $390 million. The question is, how should investors look at the potential for you to add any further volume of purchase agreements through the year? Do you typically do that mostly in the first quarter? Or is that something that is built on over the course of the calendar year?

Generally, it's in the fourth quarter leading up, but we had a few of them through negotiations and also they were still refining their own plans based on supply chain challenges they were having. So a couple of them drifted into the first quarter. But generally, they're all locked up in the fourth quarter.

Got it. And then clear message that 3D NAND is going to be an area of strength as we look at the second quarter and the back half of the year. But if you were to bin out some of the end use areas and rank them below 3D NAND, how would that look for Onto Innovation this year?

Well, we still see a pretty strong demand from the packaging customers. I mentioned the work on the EV 40 and the demand that I highlighted there. That's going to be a pretty strong contributor throughout the year. And then I'd say below that, DRAM remains pretty strong. I mean, there's a lot that will go on in the fourth quarter we believe. There's a lot of factory expansion some have slipped from third quarter to fourth quarter, pretty well publicized. So part of that is DRAM.

So I'd say that would be our third. And then, of course, lithography, which would fit into packaging, but the panel lithography is separated as we wait for the sign-offs to progress.

Got it. And then I'll just flip it over to Steve per one question, hopefully, the line is working on your end, Steve. On the tax item that you mentioned, what was the percent and earnings per share benefit in the quarter? And I think you said if this persists, it would mean a tax rate of 13% to 15%, is that correct?

Yes, can you hear me, Craig, it's probably closer to like 13% to 14% tax rate, if it persists, that we had to put it in place because it went effective at the beginning of the year and I'd say probably again, our tax rate is typically in the 16% range, 16%, 17%. So it added probably about $0.05 to the EPS in the quarter.

We'll go next to Quinn Bolton of Needham.

Let me just follow up on Craig's question there on the tax. What are the chances that it gets repealed or that you won't be able to continue to recognize that benefit? Is it -- do we need a change in tax law to go back to the 16% to 17%? Or is it more company-specific?

Yes, no, no, it's the change in the tax law. So this was put in back during the Trump administration and kicked in starting this year. But obviously, you talked in the current administration has been tax changes and things like that. So that's where there's rumbling of this potentially going away, but it's not specifically to Onto, it's -- we all got the tax change at the beginning of the year.

Got it. Thank you for that clarification. And wanted to ask on the litho, I know you're going through the qualification. But can you give us any sense how far through that qualification are you? How likely is it that you think you might be able to recognize some of that $20 million figure that you had mentioned in the second quarter?

I think there's a good chance. We've always said we think Q1 or Q2, but there's because of the complexity that is not just our tool, but also, for instance, reticles, we've had redo reticle several times as the customer debugs the reticles printing for the process. And with several layers on each side, that's a quite a bit of extra work that is sort of happening in parallel to the qualification of our stepper.

So it's hard to predict, but we've -- we're hopeful or we're optimistic that the second quarter we can see that put behind us.

Great. And then, Mike, a follow-up on lithography. I know at the beginning of the year, you put out the statement that your backlog for litho hit at that point reached about $100 million. Can you help quantify for us in a high-volume panel manufacturing facility, how many steppers would you need in that facility? Is it one to 2? Is it more than that? I'm just trying to get a sense as we see panel move into high-volume production, what's the unit opportunity for high-volume factory?

So these are moving into high volume. So the way these lines run, they're set up as lines, almost like solar lines where it kind of input raw material and output, a finished panel unlike a traditional wafer fab. So each line takes 2 steppers, one to print the front side, then it slipped and printed on the backside, then it moves to the next step in the line. So I would say the -- what we're seeing for some of these larger fabs is they're being built to support up to, let's say, 10 lines, maybe 6 to 10 lines from what we know, I mean I think that's changing and the market is quickly evolving, but that's sort of where we're at now.

And we'll move to our next question from Tom Diffely with D.A. Davidson.

A couple of more lithography questions for you, Mike. When you look at your backlog, is that mainly the 500? Or is that composed of the 2,300s and the 3500s as well?

Good question. It's primarily the X500s. So it's -- I'd say there's onesie, twosies of the others, I'm not even sure we included those in the $100 million. So I'd say it's primarily the X500.

Okay. And then do you have any -- go ahead.

Sorry, I said like 95% by primarily quite a bit.

Okay. All right. And then is there any update on your ability to ramp capacity over the next couple of quarters?

Yes, that's another good question. We're making steady progress. We've done a lot of hiring. We've brought in some really talented leadership and they're having an outsized impact I would say on our progress. Teams are coming together. The talent is coming in and I'm seeing every time I go downstairs steady progress, not just on the tool builds, but on how they're being built, the efficiencies in tracking and moving material and doing the sub-assemblies and quality control checks. There was quite a bit that is required and that we still have yet to do, but the progress is really, really positive. I would say, by the end of this year, we should be in fairly good shape, maybe a little bit into the new year 2023.

Okay. And when you look at the orders that go into, I think now 2024, are you the gating factor there? Or is that just when those factories are planned to be built?

That's another good question. No, I would say we're the gating factor if we -- some of them, there are some factories where they were tied to a new factory build out. But if we could ship product earlier, they would take it earlier. So yes, we're a gating factor and we're working hard to -- we've already talked about increasing the capacity for 2023. We're now looking at what it would take to increase capacity again for 2024.

Okay. Good. And then final question on the iris. Why was NAND the first product or the first line that adopted Iris? And is it applicable to the other DRAM and logic entries as well?

Well, for sure, it wasn't the first. We've had probably over 12 or 15 customers in total across a wide range and the first was a top 3 semiconductor manufacturer, that was from last year. What I mentioned was that this quarter, we had another big uptick in the Iris platform and it was because of a new NAND customer that recently adopted. Well, we talked about it in the fourth quarter with the press release, fairly large, let's say, agreement or a purchase agreement, volume purchase agreement covering a wide range of our product lines, including the Iris.

And we'll move on to our next question from Brian Chin of Stifel.

Congratulations on the results. Maybe first question, more on the gross margin vein, so maybe for you, Steve. But can you quantify what sort of the incremental headwind was in terms of this inflationary cost environment in terms of Q1, whether you expect that to be similar or up in Q2? And also, if you get those rev recs in Q2 on the X500s, where do you think -- let's assume that $20 million revenue, what do you think that goes to gross margins in 2Q? And I have a follow-up.

Yes, so let's talk with the first part, the supply chain side, Brian? I mean we increased -- saw a significant increase and I think it's logistics and freight costs. That's probably cost us almost 3 quarters of a point on the margin. And then obviously, we've had some obviously supply inventory supply part increases, too. So I'd say, I mean, normally, we're at 55% in our core business. And I think that's where we would have been if it wasn't for these logistics costs for sure.

On the X 500, I mean, that's a little tougher, right? Obviously, there's a big range in there depending on the rev rec. And as we've said, the initial systems are going to be very low margin, little margin to low-margin systems because they were done through as we started direct manufacturing and engineering build. So until we have an idea of what actually is going to get rev rec in the quarter, it's kind of hard to say what -- how much that's going to impact the overall margins. But it's going to persist. I mean, obviously, as Mike talked about, I mentioned ago, I think, answer Craig's question, we are in a significant manufacturing ramp.

So we do expect that to persist throughout the next several quarters as we continue to ramp up building more and more of these systems. So I think it's a little early to tell you exactly the impact on Q2 from those systems.

Got it. Got it. I imagine this is obviously a big step up in that revenue when it hits this year and then probably levels off and as the other businesses have higher margins and you make improvements, you convert with your target model again maybe next year?

Exactly.

And also, I guess, Mike, in terms of -- you made some reference to sort of your exposure to bare silicon wafer market. And clearly, it's clear messaging that there's not enough supply out there and for probably many years. And so it sounds like you're starting to see that capacity expansion hit you in a favorable way starting in the second half of this year. Can you maybe help us size your exposure to that and kind of maybe anything else sort of unpacking that opportunity second half into next year?

Sure. So as I mentioned, it's 2 primary products, both are for process control. So one is for inspection of the engine back side and the other is for elemental content. So I mentioned the oxygen and another material that are critical for us to measure and control for the high-end applications of the wafer. So EUV, for instance, both of those products would like combine them, we've talked about, I think in the past around 120 to 140 SAM, that's addressable worldwide.

And so based on the, let's say, the backlog that we have and which actually extends into 2023 for these product lines. I'd say where the opportunity is upwards of 50% of that SAM, maybe more.

Got it. That's really helpful. Maybe I could sneak one last one. And some discussion of sort of back-end inspection here, contributor to the VPAs, I think that you referenced, Mike. I know a lot of focus in terms of heterogeneous integration and the compute market being a big adopter of that. But I think there's also a pretty good incremental adoption that can come out of smartphone chipsets moving to maybe 2.5 de-packaging in the couple of years ahead. And so I'm just curious if you -- this might be difficult, but you had to span out like your SAM for back-end inspection over the next 2 to 3 years, what do you think that growth rate could look like? And I would imagine it's probably north of expectations for WFE?

Yes, that's a good question because there's a lot going on in the world of advanced packaging. You've mentioned just 2, but there's also hybrid bonding that we've talked about, I think last quarter or quarter before, we're seeing a lot of investments there and focus there. And then this new EV 40, which is also a wafer-level packaging technique. So as far as the growth rates, I would say I would expect it to be above WFE. I would say that the smartphones from a panel perspective are likely more geared towards the panel-level fan-out, at least that's what we've seen so far.

We have seen some increased demand for panel level fan-out where that was really hot 3, 4 years ago kind of petered out a little bit and most manufacturers shifted back to copper pillar or decided on copper pillar for a couple of generations. Now we're seeing that shift back to panel-level fan-out. So those would be lower kind of lower end applications where high-performance compute would be in this more panel substrate type application.

And then the amount of -- so I didn't give you a direct answer to your question. The other reason is growth in panel-level fan-out, there is not a lot of in-line inspection. Right now, it's a lot of final inspection and it's not very high resolution inspection. So as far as inspection and metrology to drive real process control and yield enhancements, this is some new focus for many of our customers. So that's why we talked about some of these engagements, opening up the opportunities for us to co-learn and work together to drive improvements and margins for these lines and therefore, hopefully drive a lot of potential inspection business for us from that perspective.

And to give you an idea, what we're hearing is yields for some of these lines are in that 30% to 80% range, which is a wide range. But even at 80%, it's not very high yields.

And we'll go next to Dave Duley of Steelhead.

I was just wondering, you've given us lots of data on multiple products that you talked about during your prepared remarks. As far as the 3-nanometer ramp-up, when would you expect to start to see more significant volumes for that?

I would say next year, maybe early. We had originally hoped the end of this year and there was some changes to our customers' plans. But I would hope that, that's -- the demand is still high. We still see as you saw 40% of our logic revenue -- the amount of pilot and R&D investments was so significant that it amounted to 40% of our logic revenue in the quarter. So I think there's a lot of activity and I would call that in preparation for a ramp. So I'm optimistic that we'd see that in the first half next year.

Okay. And you've exceeded your revenue targets in the first quarter and talked about how the second half of the year is going to be bigger than the first half of the year. I haven't done the math and I was just kind of curious if wafer fab equipment grows in this, let's say, 15% to 20% range, where do you think Onto will shake out?

Above that, based on what I said it would be north of 23%. I mean, I think flat. If we were quarter-to-quarter flat, that's around 23%. So since I said above, you'd have to guess at how much above, but it would be above 23%. So either way, even if we are flat, we would be ahead of the WFE as you described it.

Excellent. Now I asked this question last quarter. I was going to -- I think you gave us some commentary in your prepared remarks that as you ship out these lithography tools, where are you with providing a package of metrology and inspection and software applications and tools along with them?

So for panel level fan-out applications, actually, we've got a significant traction there. We have several customers already adopting the StepFAST, which is our branded solution, which integrates software, inspection, the Firefly and our stepper, the JetStep 3500, that's a fully integrated turnkey solution and so that's adopted I think we now have 3 or 4 customers, panel-level fan out customers, most everyone who's ramping panel-level fan-out is adopting that solution.

The -- and we have couple others interested in talking about for their new lines, looking at that same technology. Then moving to the X500 customers, as I mentioned there, we're still in the learning phase with them. So there's applications we think that we can bring to bear and there's a lot of willingness and openness to work with us. So we've been putting together a team, a cross-functional team to work with select customers and drive some level of yield improvement by looking at fab-wide software opportunities or the data that the fab-wide software can provide areas, where we can then apply certain process control techniques to feed into the lithography, which is one of the biggest determining factors of the yields in order to improve the overall line. So it's early stages for that second group.

(Operator Instructions) We'll go to Mark Miller with The Benchmark Company.

Congratulations on another record quarter. I was just wondering in terms of the backlog -- in the profile, the products and the backlog, is it similar to the margins you've been recently been reporting or is it above or below in terms of the margins of the equipment and the backlog what you've recently reported?

So you're asking about our total backlog, Mark? I mean, is...

Right, right.

So it would be close to -- I mean, pretty much the corporate -- the normal corporate process control margin, I mean, margins because this is obviously the same mix between metrology and inspection kind of concomitant with the business. No uneven weighting in our backlog right now between metrology inspection. I mean and then you obviously, we talked about the lithos got $100 million on top of that, but that's what you're asking?

So I think to add a little color, there's -- several of the VPAs include some of the new products. And so those will have certainly much higher margins than the previous products. They add more value and they provide more value to sort of what might dampen that is then the amount of lithography that's in our backlog. And that, of course, has much lower margins.

So Steve answered that it's about -- around the corporate that makes sense, but I just wanted to add a little color that for sure, in our backlog, we're seeing a lot more adoption of the new products that do have higher margin with the exception of the lithography.

What was your cash flow from operations for the quarter in CapEx?

So cash flow from operations is about $45 million, CapEx is like $2.5 million, so about $43 million free cash flow.

Okay. And then your anticipation of a stronger at the second half, is that confidence coming from the backlog or anticipation of just better business especially from the membership people or both?

I mean let me say again, Mark that...

Can you repeat that question?

Sure. Your anticipation of stronger results in the second half of the year compared to the first half of this year, is that from your visibility in the backlog or anticipation of better business, say, coming from NAND and DRAM customers?

I would say it's mostly the backlog, but also the discussions we're having with our customers about their ramp plans, they're still pulling on us very hard for equipment. There's a little bit of movement like I mentioned, with some of the customers' ramps. But overall, the demand environment is still very strong and our backlog continues to grow. So -- so I'd say that, yes, combination of both.

And it appears there are no further questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the conference back to Michael Sheaffer for any additional or closing remarks.

Thanks, Jenny. And we'd like to thank everybody for joining us today. A replay of the call is going to be available on our website by 7:30 Eastern Time this evening. We'd like to thank you for your continued interest in Onto Innovation. And everyone, have a great day. Jenny, please conclude the call.

And this concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.