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  • Operator

  • Good afternoon.

  • My name is Patty, and I will be your conference facilitator today.

  • At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Micron Technologies third quarter 2010 financial release conference call.

  • All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.

  • After the speakers remarks, there will be a question and answer period.

  • (Operator Instructions).

  • Thank you.

  • It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Kipp Bedard.

  • Sir, you may begin your conference.

  • - VP IR

  • Thank you very much and welcome to Micron Technologies third quarter 2010 financial release conference call.

  • On the call today is Steve Appleton, Chairman and CEO, Mark Durcan, President and Chief Operating Officer, Ron Foster, Chief Financial Officer and Vice President of Finance, and Mark Adams, Vice President of Worldwide Sales.

  • This conference call, including audio and slides, is also available on Micron's website at Micron.com.

  • If you have not had an opportunity to review the third quarter 2010 financial press release, it is also available on our website at Micron.com.

  • Our call will be approximately 60 minutes in length.

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  • This replay will run through Monday, July 5, 2010 at five-thirty PM Mountain Time.

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  • We are under no duty to update any of the forward-looking statements after the date of the presentation to conform these statements to actual results.

  • I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr.

  • Ron Foster.

  • Ron?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Thanks, Kipp.

  • Our press release is available on our website.

  • It has been a busy quarter with the Numonyx acquisition and other items.

  • Let me first set the stage with the financial summary for the quarter and then I will review with you some of the significant or unusual items in the quarter before diving into the operating details.

  • The Company's third quarter fiscal 2010 ended June 3, 2010.

  • The Company reported net income of $939 million or $0.92 per diluted share on net sales of $2.3 billion.

  • Included in net income are gains related to the purchase accounting for the Numonyx acquisition aggregating to $488 million.

  • Of that gain, $437 million is presented on a separate line on the income statement and $51 million is reflected as a benefit on the income tax line.

  • In computing earnings per share, the shares issued in the Numonyx acquisition are included only for the period they were outstanding, roughly four weeks out of the 13 week quarter.

  • Now let's look at some of the significant or unusual items that arose in the quarter starting with the Numonyx acquisition.

  • The purchase price for Numonyx was based on 138 million shares issued to the Numonyx shareholders and consideration for the employee holders of restricted stock units that were assumed by Micron.

  • The total purchase price was $1.1 billion.

  • The new purchase accounting rules under FAS 141 R were effective for Micron with the beginning of our current fiscal year.

  • Under the new rules, the net assets are recognized on the opening balance sheet at their fair values and any excess over the purchase price is recorded as a gain in the period of the acquisition.

  • That gain in the Numonyx acquisition was $488 million, which is included in the results for the third quarter.

  • This purchase price allocation is preliminary.

  • While we are not aware of any adjustments to the allocation, there could be adjustments in the fourth quarter.

  • There were no acquisition intangibles recognized in the purchase accounting and the value of depreciating assets was just slightly lower than their historical cost reflected in the Numonyx financial statements before the acquisition.

  • Now let's move on to a couple noteworthy items occurring in the quarter.

  • During the second quarter, the Company occurred $64 million for estimated settlement costs for pending litigation, including the indirect purchase's anti-trust case.

  • Settlements of these matters are not final, however we believe they will be finalized in the fourth quarter.

  • Under existing supply agreements, our Lexar business periodically receives price adjustments from its suppliers of NAND products.

  • During the third quarter, we completed a settlement resulting in a $41 million benefit to cost of goods sold.

  • We were successful in being awarded a total of $26 million in grants and other incentives during the third quarter.

  • $10 million is related to our manufacturing operations and is included as a credit to cost of goods sold.

  • $16 million is related to investments in our entities and China and included in the other operating income.

  • Numonyx is a party to a joint venture with Hynix that operates a memory wafer fab in China.

  • The arrangement with Hynix also includes a supply agreement.

  • Hynix has certain rights that were triggered upon the change of control of Numonyx.

  • In May, we received notification that Hynix intends to exercise their call option to purchase all of the Numonyx interest in the joint venture, as well as notification of their intent to terminate the supply agreement.

  • The notification from Hynix contemplates closing the purchase and termination of the supply agreement in August, although the close date may occur later depending upon receipt of necessary government approvals.

  • Micron and Hynix are currently in discussions regarding extension of the supply agreement.

  • The estimated price to purchase the Numonyx interest in the joint venture is approximately $425 million.

  • ST Micro currently provides a cash guarantee in support of a $250 million bank loan to the Hynix/Numonyx joint venture.

  • As a result of Hynix' exercise of the call option on the joint venture, we are obligated to substitute for ST Micro's guarantee and to deposit $250 million of the proceeds from the sale into a pledged account.

  • We will receive funds out of the pledged account as the joint venture repays the original bank loan through 2016.

  • Let's move on to discuss a few details of our operations over the past quarter.

  • First recall several new accounts pronouncements were effective for Micron for the beginning of our 2010 fiscal year.

  • Prior periods results have been recast to reflect the presentation comparable with the current period.

  • Total sales in the third quarter increased 17% over the second quarter.

  • Compared to the third quarter of last year, total sales increased 107%, reflective of continued improvements in market conditions in our business and industry over the past year, particularly for DRAM.

  • It is important to note that in the Numonyx purchase accounting, the work in process and finished goods inventories are written up to the estimated selling price, less estimated costs to complete.

  • Virtually no margin will be recognized until the products on hand as of the acquisition are sold through.

  • In addition, purchase accounting rules don't allow the acquirer to recognize deferred revenue for products that are in the distribution channel, when accounted for on a sell-through basis, which is the model for both Numonyx and Micron.

  • Until the products in the distribution channel are sold through, the only revenue reported by the Numonyx operations will be those from direct sales.

  • Because of these items and the fact that only three weeks of Numonyx activities are included in the fiscal third quarter results, Numonyx added $80 million to consolidated net sales at a nominal gross margin.

  • Focusing on the memory segment, that excludes any Numonyx activities, DRAM revenue increased 10% compared to the second quarter.

  • This increase resulted primarily from a 9% increase in average selling prices.

  • Revenue from the sales of NAND Flash products in the third quarter increased 16% compared to the previous quarter due to a 21% increase in bit sales, partially offset by a small decrease in the average selling price.

  • Memory sales in the third quarter include royalty and technology fees of $21 million, which compares to $34 million in the previous quarter.

  • The decrease is a result of the transition in the Nanya technology arrangements that has shifted from a transfer fee recognized as revenue to an R & D cost sharing arrangement that is reflected as a reduction in R & D expense.

  • Revenue from our foundry-like model with Aptina was $92 million, reflecting a 15% increase compared to the second quarter.

  • Average selling prices for DRAM products continued to strengthen in the third quarter, resulting in a 9% increase in DRAM per gigabit average selling price as compared to the second quarter and increased 54% compared to the third quarter of last year.

  • Sales of specialty DRAM products grew at a quicker pace in the third quarter compared to core DRAM resulting in a slight shift of mix towards specialty DRAM products from core.

  • This is a reversal of the trend we have seen in the past several quarters as a result of core DRAM growth from Inotera production volumes.

  • Output from our Inotera operation decreased slightly compared to the second quarter, as Inotera continues its conversion to Micron stack process.

  • Sales of DDR3 DRAM products crossed over DDR2 in the third quarter to become a larger portion of the Company's sales both in bits and dollars.

  • DRAM production costs increased slightly in the third quarter compared to the second quarter, primarily due to an increase in the cost per equivalent unit from Inotera as a result of manufacturing inefficiencies during their transition to Micron Stack Process.

  • Inotera continues on track, though, with their long term conversion targets.

  • DRAM cost reductions in fiscal Q4 are expected to be down low single digits and bit production is expected to be flat to up slightly compared to Q3.

  • Micron produced product will again show cost per bit declines while Inotera cost is expected to be relatively flat compared to Q3 as Inotera continues to incur costs related to the stack process conversion.

  • NAND selling prices in the third quarter decreased slightly compared to the prior quarter.

  • Total NAND bits shipped in the third quarter increased 21% compared to the second quarter as we have initiated the ramp of our 25-nanometer technology and transition to higher density products.

  • NAND production costs per bit in the third quarter decreased 9% compared to the previous quarter, including the effect of the $41 million price adjustment from suppliers.

  • NAND cost reductions in the fiscal fourth quarter are expected to be down a couple percent and bit production is forecast to be flat.

  • The Company is balancing the mix of products to optimize margin and to achieve cost reduction and bit growth with our ramping 25-nanometer technology.

  • SG&A expenses in the third quarter were $190 million.

  • SG&A expense in the third quarter includes expense for litigation accruals of $64 million.

  • Numonyx SG&A costs for the period following the acquisition of $10 million.

  • And other acquisition related costs of $14 million.

  • R & D expense in the third quarter decreased compared to the second quarter as the 25-nanometer NAND process development was completed and transferred into production on our accelerated schedule.

  • Numonyx accounted for an additional $15 million of R & D expense in the third quarter, and for the first time this quarter, R & D expense includes a credit of $24 million for the cost sharing arrangement with Nanya.

  • We anticipate SG&A expense for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2010 to be between $140 million and $150 million while R & D expense in the fourth quarter is expected to be between $165 million and $175 million.

  • Both of these forecasts include Numonyx spending in Q4.

  • Now to the balance sheet.

  • The third quarter generated over $700 million in free cash flow to end the period with $2.3 billion of cash on the balance sheet.

  • During the third quarter, the Company generated $889 million in cash from operating activities, and repaid $378 million of outstanding debt, including $218 million to the Singapore EDB which was repaid before its maturity and $70 million for the Lexar convertible notes which matured on April 1.

  • Expenditures for property, plant and equipment in the third quarter were $177 million.

  • Initial Capital Expenditures for our IM Flash Singapore fab are expected to begin in fiscal Q4 and increase to a significant level beginning in fiscal 2011 as we move forward with tool installations and start up activities.

  • With the inclusion of Numonyx capital in Q4, we anticipate total fiscal year 2010 CapEx to be at the high end of our $850 million to $950 million guidance range.

  • In Q4 we project the incremental revenue for Numonyx to be between $475 million and $500 million, with gross margin in the single digits as we continue to sell inventories that were written up in purchase accounting and rebuild inventories in the distribution channel.

  • With respect to our consolidated joint ventures, distributions were made to JV partners of $72 million in the third quarter which consisted of distributions from IM Flash to Intel.

  • Intel contributed $24 million to the IM Flash venture in Singapore, which matched the Company's contributions.

  • With that I'll close here and turn the commentary over to Mark Adams.

  • Mark?

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Thanks, Ron.

  • We continued to see strong demand for our memory products during our third quarter.

  • Although our Q3 has historically been slower from a customer demand perspective, our NAND bit shipments were up 21% and our DRAM bit shipments were up 2%.

  • Given that our overall DRAM bit shipments increased only slightly this quarter, we consciously directed more of our bits toward higher margin products including products to our server, networking and storage and automotive customers.

  • Revenue from our personal computing business, which includes desktop computers, notebooks and netbooks was up 3% quarter on quarter, as ASPs remain strong in our core DRAM business.

  • Revenue from our server business was up 22% quarter on quarter.

  • Demand from our major customers continues to look robust through the second half of calendar 2010.

  • Our networking and storage business achieved a 25% revenue increased in our third quarter.

  • The growth at our networking and storage segment was driven by a double digit shipment increase as well as a 10% ASP increase quarter-over-quarter.

  • As the case with our server business, the forecast from our networking and storage customers continues to be strong heading into the back half of calendar year 2010.

  • All in all, demand for Micron's DRAM products continues to remain very favorable as we look to optimize our production plans around these strategic growth markets where we are uniquely positioned with a diversified product portfolio.

  • We continue to see a shift in demand in bit shipments towards DDR3 memory in Q3.

  • Bit shipments of DDR3 product increased as a percentage approximately midteens quarter-over-quarter, representing more than half of our overall core DRAM segment.

  • When one considers our DDR2 capacity, we feel Micron is in a favorable position to take advantage of potential increase in legacy opportunities around DDR2.

  • From a pricing perspective, the weighted average ASPs for all of our DRAM products continued to increase, up 9% quarter on quarter.

  • The ASP increases realized in Q3 were consistent across the imputing server networking and storage segments.

  • Contract pricing for DDR3 remained flat quarter to date, even in a seasonally slow period.

  • DDR2 spot pricing saw a decrease earlier in our current quarter, but has rebounded a bit since.

  • Quarter to date blended DRAM ASPs are down slightly off of flat pricing.

  • Even though that the DDR3 migration is accelerating, we feel DDR2 will be tight in supplying our existing customers within our specialty segment.

  • I was asked about the potential of despecking memory content on our last call and wanted to comment what we have seen in the marketplace.

  • In fact, we have seen limited examples of low price consumer PCs offering one and two gigabyte models, but by and large, the OEMs continue to market four and eight gigabyte models.

  • We have seen little evidence of despecking outside of the entry-level consumer market.

  • Demand for Micron's flash memory products continues to grow as we experienced 21% quarter on quarter in bit shipment growth.

  • Micron NAND products are used in a broader range of customer applications including the consumer, mobile and enterprise markets.

  • We were able to advance our technology leadership in flash memory as we began shipment of our 25 nanometer product through Lexar and other channel customers.

  • We feel that 25-nanometer process technology will further strengthen our cost leadership position in flash memory.

  • On the SSD front, we continue to grow shipments of our award winning C-300 real SSDs to our OEM customers and through our crucial channel.

  • There is a substantial overlap on the SSD front with customers who rely on Micron's DRAM solutions, thus demonstrating their overall breadth and strength of our product portfolio.

  • Our retail business had the best operating performance since the acquisition of Lexar in June of 2006.

  • The Lexar branded flash memory card and USB products, coupled with our crucial branded SSD and DRAM module solutions, have continued to gain market share worldwide.

  • In a time of supply constraints, our retail customers value the vertical integration model Micron offers through these channels to meet their demand requirements.

  • We continue to see that retail and eCommerce Markets for DRAM and NAND branded products as differentiated channels that few if any of our competitors are able to access directly.

  • Trade component pricing for NAND memory was down slightly quarter on quarter.

  • This was compared to the quarter to date reference of flat ASPs we gave on our last call.

  • While there are signs of three bit per cell NAND from our competitors in the marketplace, we are pleased with the pricing for Micron's 25-nanometer two bit per cell higher performance flash memories available to maintain a price performance benefit over other lower performance options.

  • We feel the marketable trend to higher density chips in that continues to grow throughout 2010.

  • We remain optimistic that market segments such as mobile, consumer electronic devices such as tablets, and the SSDs will drive demand for higher cycling performance requirements.

  • We are pleased that the pricing has remained fairly strong during a seasonally slow season for consumer products with trade ASPs down just a couple percent quarter to date and we are optimistic that the NAND market will remain strong for the remainder of calendar year 2010.

  • As Ron mentioned, due to purchasing accounting rules, Numonyx numbers do not fully show up in our sales figures this quarter.

  • I wanted to provide some commentary around the customer and market feedback.

  • Our customers in the mobile and embedded markets are looking for Micron to grow strategically in supporting their overall memory requirements today and for their future requirements in newer NTPs and NAND applications.

  • Our broad portfolio puts us in a strong position as a non-competitive supplier at our major customers.

  • From a market perspective, NOR memory remains in very tight supply conditions and it appears unlikely to change in the second half of calendar year 2010.

  • Except for some cases where we are holding inventory to serve some strategic customer opportunities, our finished good inventory remains relatively low in aggregate and seasonally very low.

  • The channel appears to be low as well.

  • We have been asked about the impact of Europe's economic issues on our overall business.

  • Openly the size of the business and some of the impacted companies is relatively small as a percentage of the overall demand and we have not noticed any material impact to date.

  • As we come to the end of our fiscal 2010, we are encouraged by the strong demand signals across our channel segments.

  • Our customers continue to seek expanded supply partnerships with us as we continue to lead from a technology and portfolio scale perspective.

  • We see the demand supply equilibrium in the memory business continuing to work in our favor, as we look for continued strong operating performance going forward.

  • With that I'll hand it back over to Kipp.

  • - VP IR

  • Thanks, Mark.

  • We would like to take questions from callers.

  • Just a reminder, if you're using a speaker phone please pick up the handset when asking questions so we can hear you clearly.

  • With that, let's please take questions.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • (Operator Instructions).

  • Our first question comes from Tim Luke of Barclays Capital.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you so much.

  • I was wondering if you could just clarify with respect to the fiscal fourth quarter for August, what we should be thinking in terms of bit growth going forward in DRAM and in NAND and if you could provide any framework for how we should think about beginning to model the revenue ranges for Numonyx for the coming period, and just to confirm, it sounded like you were saying that as of now, if the pricing was stable in DRAM from now, it would be down slightly, could perhaps you give the same guidance with respect to the NAND environment and then lastly if I may, the inventory was up some.

  • What was Numonyx in terms of the inventory change, thank you.

  • - VP IR

  • Thanks, Tim.

  • I think we got all of those.

  • I'll take the first one.

  • The production bit growth guidance for DRAM was flat to up slightly and for NAND was roughly flat in our fiscal Q4 over Q3.

  • I'll hand the ball off to Ron for the Numonyx guidance.

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Tim, the Numonyx revenue I modeled that for you so you had a baseline to start from and going forward we don't anticipate that we'll be able to provide visibility of Numonyx separately as we get it integrated into our business unit planning in the structure of our Company, but for Q4, we were anticipating $475 million to $500 million of revenue in the fourth quarter related to new Numonyx products, and with regard to your inventory question which I think was your fourth question, the Numonyx inventory this was our first quarter including it and we included it at full fair value assessment, so it has no embedded margin in it as I mentioned and so the increase in the revenue base will be at full fair value, and as we flush through inventory at cost, then it will come down to a cost basis as we go through the fourth quarter but I also anticipate that in the fourth quarter we'll have very small margins on the Numonyx product because it will be mainly flowing through at fair market value.

  • - Analyst

  • How should we think about the Numonyx margin going forward after the fourth quarter, if you could give some color there and then my last statement is just have you concluded your arrangement with your partner for Singapore, it sounds like you have an initial matching of CapEx but how do you see that going forward?

  • Thank you.

  • - VP IR

  • So Tim, the Numonyx margin as I mentioned the fourth quarter is only slightly positive as we're flushing through fair value inventory but beyond that time as we get to full normal cost production, I guess one thing I refer you back to is that in recent reported history they've run in the mid 20s kind of gross margin ranges.

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • And let me jump in on IMFS, if the question was relative to--

  • - Analyst

  • Yes.

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • -- capital funding there.

  • We still don't have complete clarity as to the level of participation of our partner Net RAM.

  • We've indicated previously that that fab is roughly 100,000 wafer per month fab.

  • I think as a placeholder, you should anticipate that as we move through calendar 2011, we'll ramp that to roughly a 60% level but we want to maintain flexibility to move that around based on market conditions, so we don't have a firm road map for you yet on that, and of the Intel participation again, it's too early to say.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you so much guys.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Daniel Berenbaum of Auriga USA.

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, hi guys.

  • Thank you for taking my question.

  • Can we just go back to the inventory?

  • I'm trying to get straight in my head there was like a $700 million increase in the quarter.

  • How much of that was Numonyx inventory?

  • How much of that was you marking up mark-to-market for DRAM, and then maybe just go back and relate to a clarification of newer gross margin.

  • Was newer gross margin as you reported on the P & L negative in this quarter and then when would you expect it to get to that mid 20% normalized number?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Dan, this is Ron.

  • So, in terms of the inventory affect in Q3, it was all driven by essentially Numonyx, and so that was the adjustment and the inventory that we put on the balance sheet for Numonyx was at fair market value less cost to complete, so that when it goes out it will be effectively going out at a zero gross margin.

  • So that effect will flow through the Q3 effect so we were essentially a zero gross margin in Q3 and we'll be near zero gross margin in Q4 as that continues to flow through.

  • - Analyst

  • So it's sort of the right way to think about it that you have $700 million in NOR revenue that has to flow through at 0% gross margin before you move to more normal gross margin?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • That's a reasonable way to think about it, yes.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • In addition we had just to reiterate, we had inventory in the distributer channel that was there at the time we executed the close and as I mentioned in my comments, that as part of purchase accounting the distributer inventory that was deferred on our books is wrapped up in purchase accounting and we don't ever report that as revenue either in the current period or future so until that pipeline gets refilled, the distributor inventory pipeline we have in effect from that and I Incorporated that into the guidance for the fourth quarter they gave you for Numonyx.

  • - Analyst

  • That makes sense and then just on the accrual for litigation, what litigation are we talking about?

  • Is this in addition to, is this cost or price fixing case and is it in addition to Rambus litigation?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Dan, this is Ron again.

  • It doesn't relate to Rambus litigation as the anti-trust class action suit related to indirect purchasers, effectively representing consumers and that settlement involves Micron and four or five other participants in the settlement of that anti-trust class action related to the indirect purchasers.

  • Samsung actually previously settled that same suit and this one involves Micron, NEC, Elpida and Infineon as examples.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks and then just one last administrative question.

  • Guidance for share count, share count for next quarter when you have the full effect of the Numonyx issued shares?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Should be about 1159.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Yes.

  • That of course depends upon income levels.

  • - Analyst

  • Right, understood, but fully diluted assuming--

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Fully diluted would be 1160.

  • - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Thanks very much.

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Okay.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Kate Kotlarsky of Goldman Sachs.

  • - Analyst

  • Hi, thank you for taking my question.

  • A couple of questions.

  • First on the NAND bit shipment guidance for next quarter, could you maybe clarify a little bit as to why we're only seeing flat production next quarter and if there's any difference between what you expect your production to be next quarter versus what you expect your shipments to be?

  • - President, COO

  • Yes, this is Mark Durcan.

  • Let me jump in on that one.

  • The effects are numerous, but primarily revolve around increased penetration of our 25-nanometer node being offset by lower volume purchases but primarily a shift in mix to more margin, higher margin NAND products, which tend to be lower density.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, that makes sense, and then any difference in what your production is going to be versus the actual shipments in the quarter?

  • - President, COO

  • I believe we're roughly flat, no inventory change.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, and then my other question is on the cost reduction trajectory, you mentioned that next quarter cost reductions will be fairly minimal.

  • Should we expect them to accelerate over the next couple of quarters and if you can quantify that that would be great.

  • - President, COO

  • Yes, absolutely.

  • We've got a lot of runway ahead of us as we move into fiscal 2011 and in particular, on the Inotera front we have the 50-nanometer transition moving ahead and we'll start to see the impact of that fiscal Q1 and beyond, it should be a big story for the entire year.

  • On the NAND front, I mentioned we're into the 25-nanometer transition, and that will be on the order of 25% of the bits of the quarter we're in and closer to 75% of the bits the following quarter, and that will drive significant cost reductions as we move through the year on NAND front as well, so boil all that down, I think on the NAND front, you can look for high teens moving forward quarter-over-quarter and for DRAM, you can look, be a little bit lumpy but averaging out something in the midteens.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, and then just finally, the follow-up to my first question on the NAND side, how should we think about the growth after Q4?

  • - President, COO

  • Sorry, can you say that again, Kate?

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, so next quarter, on the NAND side, bit production is going to be relatively flat.

  • How should we think about that in the following quarters?

  • - President, COO

  • Oh, yes.

  • Bit production probably flattish again the following quarter and then we'll have some pretty good growth after that, I'd say yes, midteens.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from David Wong of Wells Fargo.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks very much.

  • Can you give us a rough idea of what your weeks of inventory are for DRAM and NAND and do I understand correctly if you got about $700 million on Numonyx revenue and you're saying the run rate might be $500 million that accounts to about 20 weeks of inventory for the Numonyx NOR stuff?

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • I'll take a shot on the inventory question.

  • On our finished goods inventory we're slightly below our inventory holdings on three weeks on hand for finished goods and in certain high volume products are even less than that.

  • Sometimes towards the end of a quarter we have the choice to make on like holding over some inventory to position service in a higher margin opportunities in some of the special areas we serve and that's sometimes the case but on average we're lower than we are seasonally a slightly less than three weeks in total.

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • This is Ron.

  • In terms of your Numonyx revenue question, I didn't say $700 million Numonyx revenue.

  • We had about $686 million of Numonyx inventory at the end of the quarter and that was mostly marked to fair market value as the acquisition, although we did have obviously production that went in there in the three week intervening period after the close.

  • Then that will flow through essentially at market valueless cost to complete, it will flow through and based upon the guidance the vast majority will flow through in the fiscal fourth quarter, but bear in mind some of that inventory already is probably at cost in that mix also.

  • - Analyst

  • But doesn't that mean that you've got a quarter or more less of inventory on your balance sheet for the NOR?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • That is correct.

  • - Analyst

  • Great, thanks.

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Yes.

  • That's right.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Alex Gauna, I'm sorry if I mispronounced your name from JMP Securities.

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, thanks very much.

  • I was wondering and I apologize because I think you've touched on this but with your flat bit or flattish to slightly up bit growth in DRAM, can you reconcile what I would think would be stronger seasonality on that front with that sort of guidance?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Keep in mind that's not a shipments guidance.

  • That's only a production guidance.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, and so but again, in such tight environment wouldn't we be looking to grow it?

  • Is it entirely accounted for by the transitions going on with Inotera and DDR2 to DDR3 conversion?

  • - President, COO

  • Yes, our bit growth is right now no wafer is coming on Board for us in the immediate future so it's all transitions, so it is a combination of Inotera's transition and Micron's wholly owned transition.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, and then if I could ask the same question you just answered on NAND, if we looked beyond this current quarter, what might we see on the DRAM bit growth side a little bit later in the year?

  • - President, COO

  • After Q4 you should start looking for some double digit bit increases on the production side.

  • - Analyst

  • All right, thanks very much.

  • - President, COO

  • Yes.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Glen Yeung of Citigroup.

  • - Analyst

  • Hi, you mentioned that there was some difficulties with the conversion to stack at Inotera, and the long term targets remain the same.

  • Have there been any changes, can you talk about some of the changes to the more near term targets?

  • - President, COO

  • Yes.

  • This is Mark Durcan.

  • I wouldn't say there's anything unexpected going on.

  • We just continue to move through equipment installations and deploying the technology on what's been the tool set at Micron as well as some repurpose tools there.

  • In the short-term, we'll see a slight reduction in the wafer start rate as we just work through those equipment repurposing activities but we still anticipate on the original schedule as we move late into the calendar year and that's driving some pretty significant bit growth for us throughout 2011.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, and are you planning specialty DRAM mix to remain at the higher levels for the rest of the second half of calendar 2010?

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Yes, this is Mark Adams.

  • It was something I alluded to in my opening comments that given the profile we're looking at we were able to do this quarter shift towards some specialty and higher margin segments for ourselves and we do see some upside there as we're in some cases sole sourced in some of these applications and certainly tied to some of the growth opportunities in these markets.

  • - VP IR

  • Next question, please?

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • Our next question comes from Daniel Amir of Lazard Capital Markets.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks a lot.

  • All my questions have been answered but can you give maybe some commentary on kind of what you're seeing a bit in terms of customers in the PC space and how or where we're standing in terms of back-to-school orders right now?

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Yes.

  • Thanks, this is Mark again.

  • So, we saw kind of I guess analysts and press talking about a softer April but openly since kind of the May time frame we started to see some pretty healthy indications on the back-to-school and the second half of the year.

  • Notably the server business has been very strong, the desktop business is very strong, and the June OEM members around notebooks is very strong so despite some concerns or questions early on in our quarterback in April, it's still been fairly strong.

  • We feel pretty good about it.

  • - Analyst

  • And in terms of the specialty DRAM market?

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Likewise.

  • As I said we had the opportunity to take a look at our allocation models given some of the limited production upside we had this quarter and we shifted as much as we could to those markets because there's a lot of appetite for our products.

  • I would also mention there's a number of questions on the Numonyx side on today's call and it's not just pertaining to DRAM and Flash memory.

  • The NOR specialty market is a high growth opportunity for us as there's tremendous appetite for Numonyx parts in that channel as well.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, thanks a lot.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Gary Hsueh of Oppenheimer & Company.

  • - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Thanks for taking my question.

  • Just a few more follow-up questions to some of the questions that have already been asked, but just curious here in terms of your ability to basically change production bits from commodity to specialty.

  • Was that more of a reaction to what you're seeing in the marketplace particularly vis-a-vis a little bit of incremental weakness on the commodity side with the PC market and second question just similar vein.

  • You talked about decontenting, you came out and said basically you didn't see any evidence of that.

  • I was wondering how much visibility do you have on a particular specs for PCs for the back-to-school selling season, in other words, are you seeing kind of visibility or do you have any visibility on DRAM content per box in Q3 and Q4 and I have a few more follow-ups.

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Yes.

  • So I think the first question is I think let me restate this.

  • Did we move some capacity, did we move it to more profitable products because we perceived weakness in the less profitable segments?

  • Not as much.

  • We were just trying to optimize profit.

  • On the second question around going forward configurations, we're not as tied to the choices that our OEMs Macon individual configurations.

  • I'll tell you that part of my responsibilities around the retail business and I've got pretty good interactions with the retailers and e-tailers, so far, the consumers haven't voted ongoing down to lower configurations and you have to remember there's an emotional part of buying here and the emotional part of buying is when you're used to going out and evaluating and purchasing 40 gigabyte platforms.

  • Behaviorally it just doesn't seem right to go down to one to two gigabyte products and that's the consumer sentiment and secondly that these never hit the corporate PC side so it's such a small piece today and it hasn't proven to be successful that I'd be surprised if it made an impact in the back half of the year.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, great and just a follow-up in terms of manufacturing.

  • You guided to single bit production on DRAM particularly.

  • I thought that, direct me if I'm wrong, that crossover in terms of wafer production that Inotera pushed back had occurred or is expected to occur at the end of Q2, just wondering is there any kind of set back in terms of the ramp here going on at Inotera for stack particularly in regards to your single digit kind of production guidance for Fiscal Q4 and how much more acceleration could we see now in the November and February quarters?

  • - President, COO

  • Yes, I think, this is Mark.

  • The relative to Inotera, I think your assumption relative to the original plan were off a little bit.

  • We are as I said continuing on a pace, we're probably lagging a couple of months at the current point but we anticipate as we move through Q4 that will be right back on track so we don't see any long term disruption there.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, and we could expect basically double digit big growth beyond Q4 for DRAM?

  • - President, COO

  • Midteens I think, yes.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Uche Orji of UBS.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you very much.

  • Just a couple of questions.

  • One is any idea how much DDR3 will constitute of your 50-nanometer products in the second half of 2010?

  • Just trying to get a sense of I know you've cost on DDR3 but I just want to know how much that kind of constitutes of your 50-nanometer products.

  • - President, COO

  • So let me take a shot at that.

  • This is Mark again.

  • - Analyst

  • Hi, Mark.

  • - President, COO

  • I think for 50-nanometer in the quarter we're currently in, it's probably roughly 2 to 1 DDR3 to DDR2.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • That's helpful.

  • So let me just ask you, you're saying your inventory is about three weeks.

  • Any insight as to what the inventory at the OEMs or the channel at the major companies is at the moment?

  • Because usually, back-to-school some people tend to with past inventories, any commentary as to what the channel is like would be helpful.

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Thanks, this is Mark Adams again.

  • So the inventory it's actually interesting.

  • It's much tighter than you expect going back-to-school.

  • My suspicion is that I think we all have to remember we're not sitting in the most robust economy.

  • Sure it's better than 2009, but people still have kind of the memory of running through the working capital strains at that time period and pretty efficient on supply chain and probably a little bit more risk averse than they were two years back, so we see pretty tight inventories across the channels and even back into the ODMs that you referred to earlier and don't see a lot of build up at this point.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, let me ask you, because you talk about networking and storage business and that's of course your specialty business.

  • How much of in terms of what you've seen how much more do you expect for strength in the demand there and any commentary you can take us to the configuration of the market and to what extent that reflects the strength in our enterprise vending, that would be helpful, thank you.

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Yes, a more qualitative response to that question is it's hard to see far out beyond six to 12 months from a demand cycle but it looks good.

  • It looks really strong.

  • The networking guys obviously are looking to get into computing and vice versa so you see a lot more technology plays around storage and not just in the DRAM side.

  • They are talking to us about flash applications and certainly NOR applications so as best we can see that's a very healthy segment for us and one where we're pretty well positioned from a product portfolio standpoint.

  • - Analyst

  • And my last question is regarding Europe.

  • This has been a topic for everybody in terms of you've had OEMs talking about raising prices for PC products in Europe.

  • In the last weeks you've kind of responded to the currency weakness.

  • In the demand you're seeing out of Europe has there been any change at all with the specifications of people pushing back in terms of pricing on the component level so any comments in Europe would be helpful.

  • Thank you very much.

  • That's my last question.

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Sure.

  • We haven't seen it, ironically what lead to my comments earlier was we've actually seen some pockets of strength in retail in Europe.

  • Certainly there's been some questions about Greece and others smaller markets but on the margin, it's been okay and so we haven't seen the dramatic shift, a lot of conversations about it but we haven't seen a dramatic shift and certainly some of the currency implications abound.

  • But the other side of that equation is China retail has been up dramatically so on a global footprint, whatever noise there might be in some smaller regions in Europe is more than offset by some other global success paths around China, India, and others.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Kevin Cassidy of Thomas Weisel Partners.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my questions.

  • Were there any changes in your gross margin rankings of your different product groups?

  • - President, COO

  • I'll rank them for you if you'd like.

  • Specialty DRAM continued to lead, number two was our trade NAND, number three was core DRAM, and number four was the segment we now have as imaging and other and Numonyx was number five.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, thanks for that, and for your internal DRAM conversion, is there any change to that schedule or could you remind us what the schedule is?

  • - President, COO

  • No, I think over the long haul, we get through Q4 and we're looking for a pretty big fiscal 2011 that will be in the midteens and accelerate.

  • In the short-term, we're maybe lagging a couple of months at Inotera, but that will play through relatively quickly.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, and one last question on Numonyx.

  • Of the $80 million that you sold to OEMs, what exposure was that split between handsets and embedded customers?

  • - President, COO

  • I think and Ron will correct me if I'm wrong here, the $80 million wasn't the actual revenue.

  • It was the revenue we recognized by virtue of the accounting treatment of the quarter and how that we closed on the date, so that notwithstanding I think the answer you're looking for is about 65% to 70% wireless and 30% plus around the embedded market.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • Thanks.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Bob Gujavarty of Deutsche Bank.

  • - Analyst

  • Great, thanks for taking my question.

  • I thought you guys were a little bit constrained on your server shipments because of the Inotera transition so I was a bit surprised how strong server was.

  • Do you think server can be strong again in the coming quarter despite some slower bit growth than you'd hoped for perhaps from Inotera?

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Yes, this is Mark Adams again.

  • Yes, absolutely and I think your comments are well done and it's coming out of last quarter.

  • As I mentioned on this call and a couple other calls in the past, sometimes we make the choice to hold on to certain inventory parts that can go into those markets and if it happens to be over a quarter and we hold it for two weeks after the closing of the quarter we do so for the profit and Customer Service rationale, so we're in pretty good shape right now and we expect as we go through with the conversions at Inotera to our stack technology that will again allow us to penetrate and grow our server share.

  • - Analyst

  • Great, thanks and just a quick follow-up on NAND.

  • You alluded to this a little bit, but can you kind of estimate what kind of price premium you're getting for your 34-nanometer NAND?

  • It seems like it is and your 25-nanometer NAND, were you able to maintain your price premium going to the new technology because of your performance advantage?

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • I think that it's a little bit early to tell but we feel pretty confident on the 25-nanometer ASPs as we're just getting that into some of the OEM design in qualification efforts.

  • On the 34-nanometer, what we really are seeing is kind of a bifurcation between higher performing, higher cycling products, two bit per cell MLC, and some of the low performing 3 bit per cell application for emerging market consumer products that are acceptable for certain regions and we're seeing two different price points.

  • We have been able to hold pricing pretty favorable against that in our current contract OEM customers.

  • Great, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from [Vipon Nag] of Macquarie Capital.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my question.

  • I just had a quick question about the DRAM and NAND production bits for the current quarter.

  • Could you give us an idea what those were?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • They were up a couple percent.

  • - Analyst

  • For both DRAM and NAND?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • I'm sorry that was for NAND.

  • I think for, excuse me that was DRAM and for NAND was actually up very nicely, a little more than we even guided which as you recall was high teens.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, great, thanks, and also if pricing would have stayed flat at current levels, how do you see ASPs coming out at the end of the quarter, Q4?

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • So if pricing were to stay level, the remaining of the quarter how do we see them?

  • DRAM relatively stable, relatively flat through the quarter and NAND is interesting because we're going into a stronger period of NAND historically and so it's coming out of the June and July seasonally slow period and heading into the back-to-school but if it stayed relatively flat, down slightly a point or two.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • Thanks a lot guys.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Bill Dezellem of Tieton Capital Management.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • A couple questions for you.

  • First of all relative to the termination of the JV with Hynix, does that imply the $250 million or so you said was in escrow through what was it 2016 or so, that would then come out of that account and be back on your balance sheet or I guess either way, but available to you?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • Bill, this is Ron.

  • The JV agreement and the call option would specify that we put $250 million essentially in a pledge escrow account if you will and it would be paid down by the joint venture between now and 2016 as over that time schedule, so the flow of the cash back to us would be over that period between now and 2016.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you, and then the supply agreement that you're looking to renegotiate with Hynix or that Numonyx is looking to renegotiate with Hynix, would you please discuss the implications positive and negative that could develop around that negotiation?

  • - VP-Finance, CFO

  • We're in the midst of discussions, Bill, and it's not appropriate to talk at this time but suffice it to say that Micron is intent on continuing the supply to our customers and will certainly supply it and we'll be working with our JV partner to effect that transition and supporting our customers over time.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you, and my final question is that during the course of this call there was a reference to Numonyx and growth opportunities that you're seeing within various Numonyx markets.

  • Given that there's been a fair amount of discussion about Numonyx markets being mature or even declining, would you please discuss in more detail the growth opportunities that you are seeing and what those of us on the outside that have been thinking about declining or missing?

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Yes, I think you can characterize the overall NOR growth fairly.

  • I would suggest that maybe the industry structure and the dynamics that have played out over the last 12 to 18 months come into play when you think about other competitive issues around lost share and reliability of the Micron now enable us Numonyx as a strong balance sheet well financed product diverse Company and if you look at the embedded market as an example, the forecast growth in that market alone allows us to go in and get more share and it's historically been very strong so certainly at a macro level, I guess the understanding is what you're suggesting about NOR from a growth perspective that's modest but the competitive landscape as well as the embedded market by itself represents tremendous growth opportunity and then historically has been a higher margin segment for Numonyx.

  • - Analyst

  • So when you net those two together, how would you view the overall Numonyx market space?

  • - President, Worldwide Sales

  • Well, I view it for Micron very positively.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you both.

  • - VP IR

  • Thanks, Bill and I apologize for those left in the queue but we've run out of time so I'd like to thank everyone for participating on the call.

  • If you would please bear with me, I need to repeat the Safe Harbor protection language.

  • During the course of this call we may have made forward-looking statements regarding the Company and the industry.

  • These particular forward-looking statements and all other statements that may have been made on this call that are not historical facts are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially.

  • For information on the important factors that may cause actual results to differ materially please refer to our filings with the SEC including the Company's most recent 10-Q and 10K.

  • Thank you for joining us today.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • This concludes today's Micron Technology third quarter 2010 financial release conference call.

  • You may now disconnect.