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  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Korn/Ferry fourth-quarter FY16 conference call.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes.

  • We've also made available in the Investor Relations section of our website at kornferry.com, a copy of the financial presentation that we will be reviewing with you today.

  • Before I turn the call over to you host, Mr. Gary Burnison, let me first read a cautionary statement to the investors.

  • Certain statements made on the call today, such as those relating to future performance, plans and goals, constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

  • Although the Company believes the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, investors are cautioned not to place a undue reliance on such statements.

  • Actual results in future periods may differ materially from those currently expected or desired because of a number of risks and uncertainties which are beyond the Company's control.

  • Additional information concerning such risks and uncertainties can be found in the release relating to this presentation and the Company's annual report for FY15 and in other periodic reports filed by the Company with the SEC.

  • Also, some of the comments today may reference non-GAAP financial measures such as adjusted fee revenue, constant currency amounts, EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA.

  • Additional information concerning those measures, including reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure is contained in the financial presentation and earnings release relating to this call, both of which are posted in the Investor Relations section of the Company's website at www.kornferry.com.

  • With that, I'll turn the conference over to Mr. Burnison.

  • Please go ahead, sir.

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • Okay, thank you, Tom, and hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us.

  • First, I'd say how proud I am of our results and of our firm.

  • Secondly, I am equally excited about the firm we are creating, the firm that's at the intersection of strategy and organization and its people.

  • A firm that accelerates our clients' business performance through solutions and through productized services.

  • And that may span from strategy implementation and org design, to recruitment and leadership development, to compensation and rewards strategies.

  • Make no mistake, we are indeed creating the preeminent organizational and people advisory in the world.

  • As I said, I am very, very proud.

  • We closed out the fiscal year with a really strong quarter.

  • Adjusted fee revenue was up 49% year over year and more importantly, over 7% organic.

  • Constant currency to $405 million with adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.58 which compares to about $0.51 last year.

  • All business lines grew during the quarter.

  • And over the last 12 quarters our growth has averaged over 13% constant currency.

  • Moreover, if you go back since the global financial crisis, we've quadrupled the top line of this firm.

  • In fact, the Korn/Ferry story is really about transformation and growth.

  • This has been a period, it will continue to be a period of great change and reinvention for Korn/Ferry.

  • Let me just put these results in context.

  • Before the Hay Group combination, our run rate adjusted EBITDA was a little over $160 million.

  • In the fourth quarter, it was up $220 million.

  • On an annualized run rate basis, revenue was $1.1 billion and in the fourth quarter it was $1.6 billion.

  • Today one out of every two employees is new to this firm in last few months due to expansion and growth.

  • Moreover, the Hay Group combination is working.

  • Growth was almost 4% in the quarter for the new Hay Group and that is constant currency.

  • EBITDA commitments are well ahead of schedule.

  • As importantly, during the quarter we closed more than 200 joint opportunities between Hay Group and search and Futurestep, including a series of $1 million-plus engagements and renewals with major companies and that spanned all regions.

  • We've also got a robust pipeline of additional joint opportunities.

  • On the real estate front, we have reduced the office footprint from 186 to 140 offices.

  • These moves that were done in the last few months, and will continue into July, they entailed more than 3,000 of our 7,000 colleagues.

  • And all of the offices have been combined with the exception of nine.

  • On the training side, we brought 3,500 colleagues into our SAP system.

  • We trained 2,000 colleagues on market-facing initiatives.

  • And as I said, the Hay Group, it has exceeded my expectations and we ended the fourth quarter with adjusted fee revenue of $193 million.

  • Overall, this business now represents about 50% of the Firm's the revenue mix.

  • So to tell this story of growth, of profitability in the face of all this change, where one out of every two employees is new, is absolutely was according to our plan and I am very, very proud.

  • I am also proud of our search and Futurestep businesses, they've never been stronger than what we've seen in the fourth quarter.

  • We established all-time highs with the amount of searches and RPO engagements that we conducted during the fiscal year.

  • I talked about this.

  • We're continuing to move this organization, our Firm, from who we know to what we know.

  • And the foundation for that is intellectual property.

  • We have management data now covering 114 countries.

  • We've got reward data on 20 million professionals in 17,000 companies.

  • We've got engagement data on 6 million professionals and obviously assessment data on millions of leaders around the world.

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  • We're taking this IT and we're weaving it into everything we do.

  • For example, we're taking the pay data and best-in-class job profile data from Hay Group and infusing it into our search business.

  • Then at the same time we're taking the pay data on millions of people from our search database to bolster the strength of our Hay Group reward offerings.

  • While we've experienced marked growth, I believe we still have to have the mindset of a start-up within a big brand.

  • We've got to continue to be relentless in our thinking about our clients and how we help our clients grow.

  • To the other side of the coin, the reality is if you look around the world today there are conflicting economic signals.

  • It's particularly tough to read given next Thursday's vote in Britain in addition to the normal summer seasonality.

  • But, the moves that we've made during this fiscal year, like the Hay Group combination, combined with our brand and diversified solutions, definitely make us a much more balanced Company.

  • I can assure you that our Firm is going to continue to seize this multi-billion-dollar opportunity, creating this Firm that's the preeminent organizational and people advisory.

  • I'm joined here today with Bob Rozek and Gregg Kvochak.

  • And so, Bob, I will turn it over to you.

  • Bob Rozek - CFO

  • Great.

  • Thanks, Gary good afternoon, everyone.

  • Before I begin my remarks I want to stop and say thanks to everybody at Korn/Ferry for their contributions in FY16.

  • This was a year of unprecedented change with the Hay Group acquisition.

  • In spite of all the energy that we put into the acquisition and all the associated integration, we still managed to deliver extraordinary operating results, which in my mind, is a real testament to the quality of the folks that we have here at the Korn/Ferry family.

  • Turning to our results, let me start first with a number of key highlights.

  • First, in the fourth quarter, as Gary indicated, we continue to make significant progress integrating legacy Hay Group.

  • As forecasted, we realized material cost synergies that benefited the profitability of the new Hay Group segment.

  • In the fourth quarter the new Hay Group segment generated $30.7 million of adjusted EBITDA, with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 15.9%.

  • It clearly is evident that we are realizing the cost synergies in amounts at a pace that actually exceeded our initial expectations.

  • If you remember at the time of the acquisition, we told you that the run rate EBITDA margin for the Hay Group was 8%.

  • For the five months that we have owned the Hay Group their legacy operations have generated an adjusted EBITDA margin of 13.4% We achieved 11% in the third quarter and drove that up to 14.9% in our fourth-quarter.

  • Second, in the fourth quarter, and really has been the case for most of the fiscal year, we continue to see strong growth in both North American executive search and in Futurestep.

  • In the fourth quarter these segments achieved year-over-year growth at constant currency of 8.5% and 27%, respectively.

  • Finally, in an effort to give the Firm enhanced financial flexibility in the future, and in recognition of the accelerated pace of the Hay Group integration costs and the related cost savings, we've entered into a new senior secured credit agreement with a syndicate of banks that expands our access to debt capital to $400 million and which provides us with more favorable terms and conditions.

  • The $400 million breaks down between a term loan of $275 million and a revolver of $125 million.

  • Now, turning to our operating results, fee revenue in the fourth quarter was seasonally strong.

  • Including a full three months of results for legacy Hay Group and the $5.1 million of acquisition-related deferred revenue that under US GAAP we cannot recognize, our consolidated adjusted fee revenue in the fourth quarter was $405 million, up 49% year over year.

  • Excluding the results of legacy Hay Group, our consolidated fee revenue was slightly over $285 million in the fourth quarter, which is up almost 5% year over year and in constant currency, up a little bit over 7%.

  • For all of FY16 we achieved $1.3 billion of fee revenue with year-over-year growth on a constant currency basis in all of our operating segments, again, led by North American search and Futurestep.

  • Turning to our new business during the quarter.

  • First, for executive search, our new business in the fourth quarter reached an all-time high of $166 million.

  • On a monthly basis we had experienced a relatively weak January and that was followed by a stronger February and then a seasonally stronger March and April.

  • At actual foreign exchange rates, worldwide executive search new business was up 2% year over year with a number of new engagements up almost 6%.

  • For the new Hay Group segment, new business awards were just over $200 million in the quarter.

  • Finally, Futurestep achieved another strong quarter of new business in the fourth quarter with the total dollar amount of confirmed new business just over $58 million.

  • For all of FY16, Futurestep was awarded over $270 million of new business which includes approximately $195 million of longer-term RPO and related services work, which we expect to recognize as revenue over a three- to four-year period.

  • A big congratulations to Byrne Mulrooney and the entire Futurestep team for another incredible job.

  • Recognize that Futurestep now has achieved 20%-plus fee revenue growth for two consecutive years.

  • An outstanding job on their part.

  • During the fourth quarter we incurred additional restructuring, integration and acquisition costs related to the acquisition of the Hay Group, totaling approximately $14 million.

  • As well as a non-cash foreign currency loss of $13.7 million related to the devaluation of the Venezuelan currency.

  • As previously indicated, the restructuring and integration investments are driving initiatives that improve our operational efficiencies and lower our overall consolidated cost base.

  • Again, this was evidenced by the achievement of the 15.9% adjusted EBITDA margin in the Hay Group segment.

  • On a consolidated basis in the fourth quarter, our adjusted EBITDA was $54.3 million at an adjusted EBITDA margin of 13.4%.

  • That's a year-over-year improvement of $13.5 million or 33%.

  • For all of FY16 our adjusted EBITDA was approximately $190 million which was up $28 million or over 17%.

  • Adjusted EBITDA, as you know, excludes restructuring charges, integration and acquisition costs, the deferred revenue write-off, as well as the Venezuelan foreign currency exchange loss.

  • At the end of the fourth quarter total cash and marketable securities were $415 million down, $110 million compared to the fourth quarter of FY15.

  • Excluding cash and marketable securities reserve for deferred comp arrangements and for accrued bonuses, our investable cash balance at the end of the fourth quarter was approximately $90 million, down about $147 year over year and up $8 million sequentially.

  • As you know, we had outstanding debt at the end of the fourth quarter of approximately $140 million.

  • That related to the Hay Group acquisition.

  • Finally, after all previously disclosed adjustment items, our adjusted fully-diluted earnings per share were $0.58 in the fourth quarter, up $0.07 or 14% compared to the fourth quarter of last year and up $0.06 or 12% sequentially.

  • On a GAAP basis, the fully-diluted earnings per share for the quarter were $0.10.

  • With that, Let me turn it over to Gregg who will take you through our operating segments in a little bit more detail.

  • Gregg Kvochak - SVP of IR

  • Okay, thanks, Bob.

  • Let's start with our executive recruitment segment where globally fee revenue was seasonally strong in the fourth quarter.

  • At actual foreign exchange rates, consolidated executive recruitment fee revenue in the fourth quarter was $159.7 million, up $3.1 million or 2% year over year.

  • Adjusting to a constant currency basis of measurement, consolidated executive recruitment fee revenue in the fourth quarter was up $7 million or 4.5% year over year.

  • On a regional basis, compared to year over year at constant currency, growth in North America was strong at 8.5% while Europe was down 6% and the Asia-Pacific region was down 2.4%.

  • Compared to the fourth quarter a year ago, growth on our executive recruitment specialty practices was mixed, as growth in our life sciences and healthcare practice up 11%, our technology practice up 10%, our financial services practice up 3% and our consumer goods practice up 3% was offset by weakness in our industrial practice which was down 3%.

  • Financial services accounted for approximately 21% of all executive recruitment fee revenue in the fourth quarter, which was flat year over year.

  • For all FY16 fee revenue for our executive recruitment segment was up 9.2% at constant currency, with positive growth in every region, led by North America which was up 13.2%.

  • Full year growth for our executive recruitment specialty practices was mixed, with growth in financial services up 14%, technology up 13%, life sciences and healthcare up 12% and consumer goods up 1%, being offset by weakness in the industrial practice which was down 9%.

  • The total number of dedicated executive recruitment consultants worldwide at the end of the fourth quarter was 488, up 36 year over year and down 4 sequentially.

  • Annualized fee revenue production per consultant in the fourth quarter was seasonally strong at $1.3 million.

  • The number of new search assignments opened worldwide in the fourth quarter was 1,463 which was up 5.8% year over year.

  • Consolidated executive search adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter was $31.2 million with a 19.5% margin.

  • Adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter was negatively impacted by higher bonus expense directly related to the year-end surge in consultant productivity, including the greater production of new hire consultants joining KF early in FY16.

  • For all of FY16 adjusted EBITDA for the executive recruitment segment was $151.7 million with a 24.3% margin, an improvement of $19.3 million or nearly 15% with a 210 basis point improvement in margin.

  • Now turning to our new Hay Group segment which had its first full quarter of operating results in the fourth quarter.

  • Adjusting fee revenue to exclude an acquisition-related deferred revenue write-off of $5.1 million, the new Hay Group produced adjusted fee revenue of $192.9 million.

  • On an organic basis at constant currency, our legacy leadership and talent consulting operations grew approximately 2% year over year in the fourth quarter.

  • Adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter for the new Hay Group segment was $30.7 million with a 15.9% adjusted EBITDA margin.

  • For all of FY16 the new Hay Group segment generated $78.9 million of adjusted EBITDA with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 16.4%.

  • Finally, turning to the Firm's fastest-growing segment, Futurestep.

  • In the fourth quarter Futurestep generated $52.5 million in fee revenue, which measured at constant currency was up 27% year over year.

  • On a regional basis, year over year at constant currency growth was broad-based with North America up 30%, Europe up 22%, and Asia-Pacific up 24%.

  • For all of FY16 Futurestep grew 21% at actual rates and 28% at constant currency, with growth in every region.

  • Futurestep's earnings also continued to grow in the fourth quarter.

  • EBITDA in the fourth quarter was $7.9 million which was up $1.8 million or over 29% year over year.

  • Futurestep's EBITDA margin in the fourth quarter was 15% which was up 60 basis points year over year.

  • Now I'll turn the call back over to Bob to discuss our outlook for the first quarter of FY17.

  • Bob Rozek - CFO

  • Great, thanks, Gregg.

  • As projected, our fourth-quarter new business and revenue were both seasonally strong.

  • I'm going to provide some perspective on FY17 first quarter by starting to talk about new business across each line of business.

  • In executive search, new business in May was down from March and April levels, which is the consistent pattern what we see on a historical basis.

  • However with the approximately one-half of the month of June behind us, we are seeing sluggish new business globally for executive search.

  • With respect to the new Hay Group Hay Group, we have now converted the top 16 locations onto our business systems and processes.

  • If you recall back to what Gary was commenting on in terms of the training that these folks have gone through and are going through, we estimate that this effort will consume about 2,000 total workdays out of the Q1 effort from the Hay Group.

  • And then with respect to Futurestep, we continue to see robust levels of both new business and we expect that to translate to revenue for them in the first quarter.

  • Taking all of this into consideration and assuming worldwide economic conditions, financial markets and foreign exchange rates remain steady, we expect our consolidated adjusted fee revenue to range from $375 million to $395 million.

  • This adjusted fee revenue includes $3.8 million associated with the deferred revenue adjustment that relates to the Hay Group acquisition.

  • This will be the last quarter that we have that adjustment.

  • After that, it will be back to business as usual.

  • Our consolidated adjusted diluted earnings per share are expected to range from $0.50 to $0.58.

  • As previously announced with our fiscal third quarter earnings, we will execute the next phase of our planned restructuring activities related to the Hay Group acquisition in the first quarter of FY17.

  • These actions will primarily be focused on a consolidation of office space and the elimination of other redundant G&A and overhead expenses.

  • As previously announced, we estimate these actions in total will drive an incremental $17 million to $23 million of annual cost savings which we expect to realize on a full run rate basis by the third or fourth quarter of FY17.

  • We estimate the cost of these actions to be in the range of $20 million to $26 million.

  • Also in the first quarter we'll incur additional professional fees and other expenses related to the continuing migration of legacy Hay Group operations onto our systems and processes.

  • In addition to the expenses for retention bonuses that we previously discussed.

  • We estimate that these acquisition and integration costs will range from $7 million to $9 million in the first quarter.

  • Finally, measured by US GAAP, FY17 fourth-quarter(sic-see press release "first quarter") consolidated fee revenue is likely to be in the range of $371 million to $391 million.

  • And fully-diluted earnings per share are likely to be in the range of $0.02 to $0.20 per share.

  • With that, I'll conclude our prepared remarks and we would be glad to take any questions you may have.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • George Tong, Piper Jaffray.

  • George Tong - Analyst

  • Thanks, good afternoon.

  • Could you provide an update on customer spending trends in the Hay Group segment and if you're seeing any changes in response to broader macro concerns?

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • No, we're not.

  • We haven't seen anything there.

  • We've continued to unify our businesses.

  • Go-to-market is one and no, there hasn't been any kind of measurable decline, George.

  • George Tong - Analyst

  • Got it.

  • As it relates to your North American exec search business and Futurestep, two very strong performers this quarter, how is the pipeline evolving?

  • You mentioned a little bit of weakness in exec search.

  • Can you elaborate on North American specifically and Futurestep?

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • It is very difficult to read right now and it is hard to say whether you have the typical summer malaise or whether there's something that is broader than that.

  • Certainly the vote next week in Britain has impacted not proposal activity, but it has impacted clients making decisions.

  • We have absolutely seen that in Europe, and to some extent we have seen that in North America.

  • I can not attribute the North America directly to Brexit, but it's very difficult to read the tea leaves today.

  • George Tong - Analyst

  • Got it.

  • Lastly, could you elaborate a bit on the remaining cost savings actions you have in the Hay Group segment to drive improved margins?

  • Bob Rozek - CFO

  • Yes, George, what we're doing in Q1 is going to be actually our biggest quarter in terms of the real estate co-location activity that Gary was talking about earlier.

  • We've got 26 locations that we're bringing together in the quarter.

  • The spending on that is roughly around $14 million, we think we're going to save about $6 million on a run rate basis.

  • The rest would be, as we migrate their business activities onto our systems and processes, we'll get some efficiencies from a head count perspective.

  • And then we've got a number of initiatives where we're going to be eliminating duplicate G&A type expenses.

  • All of that comprises the dollar amounts that I talked about, the $17 million to $23 million of saves and the $20 million to $26 million of spending.

  • Then, as we go forward from here, we'll have one more large round of moving the Hay Group folks onto our system and processes.

  • When I say large, it's not from a revenue perspective because with what we've done or will have done by the beginning of the first quarter, we're about 75% of the revenues are now on our systems and processes.

  • So we'll capture another 20% by the one-year anniversary of the transaction.

  • George Tong - Analyst

  • Very helpful, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Mark Marcon, R.W. Baird.

  • Mark Marcon - Analyst

  • Good afternoon and thanks for taking my question.

  • With regards to the Hay Group, as you've gone further along in terms of the integration, how are you thinking about where the margin should end up getting to on an adjusted EBITDA basis once you are completely done with all the integration?

  • Bob Rozek - CFO

  • I think, Mark, as we look at it today, we've got that business up to almost 15%.

  • As we talked on the call last time, that should settle in somewhere in the -- I'd say -- 16% to 18% margin range on an adjusted EBITDA basis.

  • As we continue to grow that thing and get some leverage, we would expect it be towards the higher end of that range.

  • Mark Marcon - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And any adjustments to the thinking with regards to where you were previously in terms of how you were thinking run rate and profitability?

  • Within Hay Group, not L&TC?

  • Hay Group, in other words, the legacy Hay Group.

  • Bob Rozek - CFO

  • We're at a point now, Mark, where we really can't look at it that way anymore.

  • Those businesses have come together very rapidly.

  • At this point it's almost like trying to pull apart a milkshake.

  • You just can't do it.

  • So, I think, as we look at it, we always look at it on a combined basis.

  • I think, as I said, the 16% to 18%.

  • The only thing that's probably a little bit different for us at this point is the speed with which we think we can get there.

  • As we continue to make progress on it, I think the pace is probably continues to be a little bit quicker definitely than when we initially started out, even from where we were in last Q3.

  • Especially when I look at the success that our folks had in terms of doing all of the conversion activity.

  • It was a massive undertaking and I have to tell you my phone has not rung once by somebody saying we got a problem here or an issue there.

  • Our team did a absolutely fantastic job on all that.

  • Mark Marcon - Analyst

  • That's great to hear.

  • To ask the question another way, is there any difference in terms of the savings that you think you're going to generate out of the Hay Group relative to what we talked about last time?

  • Bob Rozek - CFO

  • No, I think it's pretty consistent in terms of -- we've got head count reductions we've talked about.

  • We've got real estate co-location and the G&A activities.

  • Right now, Mark, we're simply in execution mode, making sure that all happens without a glitch and that we continue to over-achieve in terms of timing.

  • Mark Marcon - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • Can you talk a little bit about the joint projects that you signed up?

  • It sounds like you're seeing some early successes there.

  • Can you give a little bit more color, particularly in terms of some of those seven-figure projects that you talked about?

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • Sure, they're largely along the lines of organizational design and leadership development assessment.

  • All trying to -- I can think of two or three clients where you're trying to really innovate and transform an organization.

  • And we were brought in to help design the offense.

  • I think about something we're pursuing right now for a major economy, helping to reshape that economy.

  • Those are the kinds of projects.

  • And the synergies between our Firms have absolutely been as we expected, Mark.

  • So, I'm very, very pleased with where we are.

  • In some places we could be further along and in other places we're a little bit better than what I thought.

  • So we've absolutely -- we've delivered on the EBITDA commitments, we've shown some growth in the business in the context of incredible change.

  • Bob Rozek - CFO

  • Yes, Mark, the only thing I would add too, and it's not just our people going to market together, but it is the folks in the organization and I will give you an example, in Byrne's business, in Futurestep, he's got several large RPO RFPs that he's pursuing.

  • And he's actually taken some of the IP and the tool that we acquired from the Hay Group and has baked them into his RPO process already and uses that as a way to differentiate and give himself a competitive advantage.

  • So it's the people coming together as well as the organization's recognition and use of the tool that we acquired.

  • Mark Marcon - Analyst

  • That's great to hear.

  • I think I may have misheard.

  • Did you say reshaping an economy or just a major company?

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • This was an economy.

  • Mark Marcon - Analyst

  • How do you do that?

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • I don't want to get into specifics because it's something we're pursuing right now, Mark.

  • But if you look around the world today, there are economies that are struggling.

  • Some of those economies are dependent on an industry or two and --

  • Mark Marcon - Analyst

  • Got you, I know what you're talking about now.

  • Okay, great.

  • Can you talk a little bit about -- that actually sounds like it could be a huge opportunity in terms of the size of that sort of a project.

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • Again, I'll just say that I think that as a CEO, this intersection of strategy and an organization and its people is unclaimed white space.

  • I feel more convinced today than ever that people come before strategy.

  • And enabling organizational success through the design of the offense and the connection with the people you have, is something that we're claiming.

  • We're going to continue to pursue that aggressively.

  • Mark Marcon - Analyst

  • Right.

  • Can you comment with regards to what you have been seeing in May and June?

  • You mentioned Europe but can you tell us specifically, out of EMEA, how big is the UK?

  • And what differences you're seeing in the UK in terms of behavior relative to what you're seeing on the continent?

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • Let me just say, counter-intuitively, in the fourth quarter the UK was down but it wasn't down as much as, say, Germany or France, so go figure.

  • But, having said that, so in May what we saw, as Bob talked about, we usually see a pretty material decline in new business in May.

  • Generally what happens in June, is there is a significant rebound.

  • That's happened over the last few years.

  • And in my talking to clients and our colleagues and what we're actually seeing, there is a big shadow that has been cast.

  • Some people may call it the tail but I think it's quite significant, the proposal activity is still strong.

  • But we've certainly seen, not only in the UK but across Europe, a hesitancy to pull the trigger.

  • Now, to some extent that's also true in the United States.

  • And Mark, what I can't read, is this kind of a summer malaise?

  • Or is there something more significant there?

  • Mark Marcon - Analyst

  • So it sounds like you're not seeing a marked distinction between the UK relative to the continent.

  • Can you remind us how much the UK is of EMEA?

  • Gregg Kvochak - SVP of IR

  • Yes, so, Mark, we do about roughly $59 million in executive search, another $26 million in Futurestep and another $50 million or so in the Hay Group segment.

  • Mark Marcon - Analyst

  • Thank you very much.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Tim McHugh, William Blair.

  • Stephen Sheldon - Analyst

  • Hi, it's Stephen Sheldon for Tim this afternoon.

  • Thanks for taking my questions.

  • First, I wanted to ask you what you're thinking about from a hiring or head count perspective in the executive search business as you are going into FY17.

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • Well, we are actively looking to develop from within and also go to the outside.

  • But we're actually looking at it today much more broadly.

  • We're looking for consultants that can span the types of things that we do, from strategy implementation to rewards.

  • I think that we are -- we have made a shift in the types of people that we're now looking for to take us to, say, $4 billion from $1.6 billion.

  • There are targeted investment areas, executive search will always be one.

  • The consultative work we do under the Futurestep brand is also an area that we're looking for.

  • We're also targeting investments in the area of rewards, reward strategy.

  • Today reward strategy is a little bit less than 25% of our advisory business.

  • We think there's significant opportunity, given our brand and the data that we have to help CEOs drive behavior through broad-based reward strategies.

  • So we have a very targeted effort to bring in consultants around the reward strategy area.

  • The second targeted area would be around healthcare.

  • Today healthcare is all-in give or take and Greg can correct me, but it's about $100 million or so out of the, today, $1.620 billion run rate.

  • We really think, if you think about healthcare being 20% of an economy, particularly, say, the United States, that would seem to suggest that there is $200 million to $300 million of opportunity there.

  • We have a targeted initiative towards consultative capabilities in healthcare.

  • By the way, that range is the gamut from search professionals to RPO, to the advisory business.

  • That's probably how I would answer that question.

  • Stephen Sheldon - Analyst

  • Okay, thanks.

  • Then could you provide some more granularity about what you're seeing within the financial services sector for executive search?

  • Did you see any particular change as you progressed through the quarter?

  • And were trends different by region?

  • Thanks.

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • They were a little bit different by region.

  • Europe, we saw a little bit of moderation.

  • But where we saw some uplift was actually in private equity and real estate.

  • Probably maybe what you would assume and not so much in capital markets.

  • But nothing really marked, nothing that would -- not a real big positive trend or negative trend one way or the other.

  • Stephen Sheldon - Analyst

  • Great, thanks.

  • Operator

  • Tobey Sommer, SunTrust.

  • Tobey Sommer - Analyst

  • Thanks.

  • I'm curious, Gary, at this time of year you're typically pretty rapidly hiring people so that you can harvest their productivity in the executive search business as you work your way through the fiscal year.

  • Is there a plan to continue to grow that head count?

  • And if so, by how much in FY17?

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • There is a plan.

  • The search business, as you know, gives us tremendous permission and it gives us very nice access.

  • So, our view all along was that is a business that we need to continue to infuse intellectual property and data and knowledge into.

  • We are absolutely doing that.

  • We're taking the Hay Group IP around job design and work design and job titles.

  • And we will make that the front end of our search business.

  • We'll then tie that into our intellectual property around competencies and experiences and traits and drivers.

  • The back end will be the compensation.

  • We collect literally thousands of pieces of data around compensation real-time around the world.

  • So we view this very much as an enterprise-wide endeavor.

  • But, you're right, with respect to executive search, it is a purposeful plan where we are looking to continue to bring in people and develop people from within.

  • We're investing in that business in all regions of the world.

  • Tobey Sommer - Analyst

  • So the sluggishness or slowing and green-lighting new engagements has not altered your plans at this stage?

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • No, it has not.

  • It is not.

  • Bob Rozek - CFO

  • Remember, Tobey, the sluggishness that we're seeing really is in June.

  • So we've got -- whatever it is, 14 or 15 days of the month have surpassed us.

  • It's literally just a data point at this point.

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • Really, there's two things.

  • You've got, as Bob said, about 2,000 training days in Hay Group.

  • So you're going to see that could be a revenue decline sequentially of $10 million.

  • We know that is absolutely going to happen for sure.

  • We're just seeing malaise right now and I can't tell you if that's going to continue for the next seven days and something's going to open up, or is it the next 15.

  • It is very difficult to read right now.

  • Tobey Sommer - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Just curious, in terms of the arc of cash flow this year, Bob.

  • How will that progress in a couple of milestones, like when does the bonus payment get paid out and that kind of thing.

  • You did put a new credit facility place so I want to understand that a little bit more.

  • Bob Rozek - CFO

  • Maybe before I get into the credit facility, Tobey, the big cash payments that we have going on obviously is our bonus and that happens in the July, August time frame.

  • We pay in the US in the middle of July and in other parts of the world the timing is plus or minus a couple of weeks from there.

  • So, that is when you'll see a big slug of cash go out the door.

  • We do have an acceleration in our capital spending this year because of the co-location activities.

  • That will be in the first quarter as well.

  • That's spread across the globe, so it's not concentrated in any one particular geography.

  • But beyond that, the cash flows as we sit here today, there's nothing else that's odd or unusual that we expect.

  • We've had our dividend in place now for over a year and that'll obviously continue.

  • There's really nothing else out there that we're aware of at this point that would be a huge user of cash.

  • I think as we step back on the credit facility, when we did the Hay Group transaction, we worked with Wells Fargo, who's been a great partner for us, especially in driving that transaction.

  • We went with a one-bank deal at that point in time, recognizing that we were going to do something more permanent after the deal got done.

  • The thought was rather than getting involved with syndication, a bunch of banks and the road show and everything you have to do, we focused our energies on the transaction.

  • What we did was what we always planned to do after the transaction closed, was to put in place a more permanent facility.

  • We up-sized it to some extent on the basis that in the uncertain times that we're in right now, a lot of times you see opportunities arise.

  • And we wanted to make sure we had the financial flexibility to take advantage of those opportunities.

  • Equally important, if you look at the accelerated synergies and spending that we've done on the Hay transaction to drive the cost savings sooner, we were actually able to sit down with the bank and negotiate more favorable terms and conditions in this agreement than what we had in the prior transaction.

  • So in working with the management team here and our Board, we felt the best path to take was to do what we did on a credit facility.

  • Tobey Sommer - Analyst

  • Two questions from me remaining, if I could, Gary, how do you think about deploying capital now -- a follow-on question to the credit facility -- including share repurchase?

  • And then I was wondering if you could comment broadly on what you're seeing in terms of compensation inflation across your different businesses, both internally and externally.

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • First of all, what we published many months ago is we thought based on all of our IP and survey that the pay increase would be 2.5% globally, and varied by country, when we went out with that data at the beginning of this year.

  • And that's, in fact, the way things are playing out.

  • If you look at the BLS numbers, you look -- we are absolutely spot on so far.

  • So, I would say that's probably it, I don't think it's any more significant than that in terms of wage pressure moving up.

  • I think that's so far it's played out that way.

  • In terms of the capital deployment, our first priority is to invest in the business, that is absolutely number one.

  • There will be opportunities that are going to come our way.

  • We may create a lot of those opportunities.

  • But there will be opportunities for us as an organization to create this brand in an organization and in people.

  • So, that's the first use of cash.

  • We think we've put in place a very balanced capital allocation plan around returning money to shareholders vis-a-vis dividends, as Bob talked about and investing in the business.

  • So that's the current play book that we're going to go with.

  • Tobey Sommer - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Gentleman, there are no further questions at this time.

  • I'll turn it back over to Mr. Burnison for closing remarks.

  • Gary Burnison - CEO

  • Okay, well listen, I want to thank everybody for joining us.

  • And again, thank you for listening to our story.

  • I think this is indeed -- the word transformation gets used so many times, but I do believe, when you look at the definition, it deals with a dramatic change in substance and appearance.

  • And that's absolutely what we're doing, we're creating, I think, white space.

  • This is a multi-billion opportunity to create the brand to help organizations grow, to set forth a structure, org design, leadership development, all the way through compensation and obviously recruitment.

  • So, we're very, very excited.

  • Thank you for taking the time to listen.

  • We'll talk to you next time.

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