Icahn Enterprises LP (IEP) 2024 Q2 法說會逐字稿

Good morning, and welcome to the Icahn Enterprises L.P., second-quarter 2024 earnings call with Andrew Teno, President and CEO; Ted Papapostolou, Chief Financial Officer; and Robert Flint, Chief Accounting Officer.

I would now like to hand the call over to Robert Flint, who will read the opening statements.

Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator.

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I'll now turn it over to Andrew Teno, our Chief Executive Officer.

Clearly, the quarter wasn't up to expectations.

Between a significant decline in CVI and a few names in our Investment segment, NAV went down $969 million from the prior quarter.

As we have stated before, our investment returns will be volatile given both the concentration inherent in our portfolio and our activist strategies.

We continue to believe our positions will outperform over the longer term.

CVI was unfortunately impacted by a fire at Wynnewood that impacted the quarter's profitability.

In addition, the entire US refining industry saw cracks decline to more normalized levels and regional basis detracted further for CVI's refineries.

CVI, like its small-cap peers, underperformed our hedge basket, which helped to offset some, but not all of the decline.

More recently CVI has received good news from litigation regarding small refinery exemptions in the DC Circuit.

We hope that this will help reduce the outstanding RIN obligations.

Last quarter, we discussed potential strategic actions involving CVI.

While CVI is hard at work, we have no updates at this point.

The investment portfolio was hurt by performance in a few names, including Bausch, Southwest and Illumina.

Our best performers in the quarter were our refining hedges and IFF.

We exited our position in Conduent and added exposure to Centuri.

Regarding the fund's notional exposure, our net short exposure was 16%.

Excluding refining hedges, our exposure was net long, 13% at quarter end.

This compares to net long exposure of 7% as of Q1 excluding the refining hedges.

On the automotive side, EBITDA was slightly up as headwinds in top line revenue were offset by cost cutting efforts.

We expect that the cost cutting and sourcing initiatives will drive EBITDA improvement in the back half of the year.

We continue to make progress in our transformation plan.

Our leasing pipeline continues to ramp up, and we currently have 25 leases that are signed, but rent has not yet commenced.

At quarter end, we had $1.5 billion of cash at the holding company and $1.6 billion at the funds.

During the quarter, we also refinanced our 2025 notes, and our next maturity is in May 2026.

Given our cash position and belief in our investment portfolio, we are comfortable maintaining the $1 distribution for the quarter.

I will now hand it over to Ted to discuss the financials in more detail.

Thank you, Andrew.

I'll begin by reviewing the performance of our segments and comment on the strength of our balance sheet.

Turning to our Investment segment, the funds had a negative return of 8.1% for the quarter.

Long and other positions had a negative performance attribution of 17.2%, while short positions had a positive performance attribution of 9.1%.

The holding company's interest in the funds was approximately $2.9 billion quarter end.

And now to our Energy segment.

Energy segment's EBITDA was $46 million for Q2 '24 compared to $173 million in Q2 '23.

Q2 '24 refining margin per throughput barrel was $10.94 compared to $18.21 in the prior year quarter.

This decrease was primarily driven by lower refining margins due to a decrease in crack spreads and reduced throughputs related to a fire at the Wynnewood refinery.

Q2 '24 average realized gate prices for UAN decreased by 15% to $268 per ton, and ammonia decreased by 26% to $520 per ton when compared to the prior year quarter.

CVI declared a second quarter cash dividend of $0.50 per share.

Now to our Automotive segment.

Q2 '24 net sales and other revenues decreased by $42 million compared to the prior year quarter, primarily driven by reduced consumer spending on automotive repairs and maintenance.

These trends are not dissimilar from our industry peers.

Adjusted EBITDA improved $2 million for Q2 '24 compared to Q2 '23.

Automotive Services was able to improve EBITDA through cost cutting and margin initiatives, which offset the reduced car count.

And now turning to our other operating segments.

Real Estate’s Q2 '24 Adjusted EBITDA decreased by $1 million compared to the prior year quarter, primarily driven by reduced sales of single-family homes.

At one of our country clubs our single-family home inventory is limited as we are almost sold out in the development, while the recently acquired country club is ramping up its development, and we are expecting to have sales at the end of 2024 or beginning of 2025.

Food Packaging's Adjusted EBITDA decreased by $5 million for Q2 '24 as compared to the prior year quarter, driven by a weaker mix of business.

Although volumes were similar to the prior year period, the mix of business was at lower, less attractive margins.

Materials and energy continue to be stable and there are opportunities to improve labor and efficiency at the plants.

The management team is working on a capital plan to modernize some of the lines in certain plants, which will greatly enhance efficiency and productivity.

Home Fashion’s Adjusted EBITDA decreased by $1 million as compared to the prior year quarter, mainly driven by lower demand from our international business.

During the quarter, we invested in a small strategic acquisition in the UK to grow the hospitality business and to broaden our global footprint.

Pharma segment's Adjusted EBITDA for Q2 '24 improved by $3 million as compared to the prior year quarter, mainly due to higher prescription growth.

Vivus’s US patent exclusivity of Qsymia broadens to two competitors at the end of 2024 and mid-2025, respectively.

These two competitors will likely launch generic versions which will erode product margins.

Management has taken actions such as product launches starting in Europe and eventually to other international markets, while planning domestic cost cutting initiatives and potential strategic partnerships.

Now turning to our liquidity.

We maintain liquidity at the holding company and at each of our operating subsidiaries to take advantage of attractive opportunities.

As of quarter end, the holding company had cash and investment in the funds of $4.4 billion, and our subsidiaries had cash and revolver availability of $1.1 billion.

In summary, we continue to focus on building asset value and maintaining liquidity to enable us to capitalize on opportunities within and outside our existing operating segments.

Thank you.

Operator, can you please open up the call for questions?

Thank you so much.

(Operator Instructions)

Daniel Fannon, Jefferies.

Please proceed.

Thanks, good morning.

So wanted to just follow up on the fund and not so much performance for the quarter which you kind of outlined, but obviously, the last week or so has been quite volatile, as you think about the context of how you position and or transition the fund with the hedges more macro and some of the changes that you've made, I guess any additional thoughts, given the different backdrop we might be in today versus just a short while ago.

Hi, Dan, morning.

So, I would say the markets are volatile.

And I'd say the way we're going to try to position ourselves is we very much keep our book hedged, and then we have to believe in our longs and believe in our activist strategy.

So if you look at our significant holdings in the top five that we have listed in the page, Southwest Gas, you have a utility, it should be very stable.

Earnings should improve as they bridge the ROE gap.

They've had a bit of a hiccup on this Centuri separation, but it is a very good business and one that we think can unlock value over the long run.

If you look at a AEP, we very much think there is a ROE improvement story, it's got a new CEO, who should improve regulatory operations, got a fantastic asset base and has a bit of a tailwind from AI.

If we look at Caesars this is a company that is just about to hit its FCF inflection.

CapEx is declining, EBITDA is growing, free cash flow is inflecting, IFF is a business that even this morning, results were, I say, pretty darn good and showing the impact of a new CEO.

And if you look at Bausch, obviously, it's a complicated situation, but there's a lot of inherent value in BLCO.

So a long-winded way of me saying, we believe in our longs, we believe our longs have catalysts and we believe our longs will outperform the hedge basket over time.

And some of these names, you have easier names to hedge.

The giant electric utilities, plenty of those to use as a hedge for AEP.

Others, you have to rely more on broad market indexes.

Okay, understood.

That's helpful.

Just a question on the auto business and trying to understand where you think you are in the kind of turnaround cost cutting that has been a focus and you gave a few stats around leases coming on line.

But if you use a baseball analogy or kind of where we think we are interested in terms of the kind of evolution of that business.

If I look at Pep Boys and I think about the service business, EBITDA margins there, whether it's 4% or 4.5%.

We look at peers and we think over time, we're talking multi-years, there's no reason that that shouldn't get closer to 10%, there's a lot of moving pieces to that.

You have to work on cost cutting efforts, the market has to turn around a bit, and I think you look at peers, the industry volumes aren’t doing us any favors.

And then we have to start clicking on our real estate efforts, right?

So we have the leases that are signed leases that need to commence.

And then we've got a bunch of empty boxes we need to fill.

So on the empty boxes we need to fill, the way that my real estate team explains to me is when we get started, we find the large national retailers who'd like to be located next to us.

We identify a host of locations, could be 20 or 25 that they'd like to occupy.

And then we work on one lease.

And if we can get that across, then all of a sudden it should be able to flip into meaningfully larger numbers.

So, I think we're at the point where we've probably done the max amount of work with maybe the least amount to show for it.

And I'd hope that over the pending quarters the results get better and better and reflect that.

Understood.

Okay.

Thanks for taking my question.

Andrew Berg, Post Advisory Group.

Thanks.

Just a quick question with respect to cash at the holding company was down a couple of hundred million.

Obviously, the liquidity across the entity is robust.

And I know you guys can have pretty significant swings in hedge fund on any particular day, but that $200 million, was that moved into the hedge fund and just the movements of other equities in the fund masked the money going in there?

Or what was the movement for?

Hi Andrew, so the big movement of cash at the holding company were the payment of two distributions in the quarter.

It's just a kind of an odd timing thing where we don't pay out a distribution in the first quarter, but we pay out two distributions in the second.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Bruce Monrad, Northeast Investment Management.

Hi, everybody.

Thanks for holding the call.

A question, if it's okay, on Food Packaging and I see in the slides the reference to softening demand, but I thought I heard you say the units were we're mostly flat.

Is that right?

Can you help me on that?

Yeah, the kilometers are flat, but the margins are down so the volume is there but the pricing softened up a bit.

And I can give you more context around the quarter.

The $5 million of EBITDA drop I mentioned, which is year over year on a quarterly basis, it's that same story with the fibrous sales that because of the Russian sanctions, we can't repeat that business and that's about $8 million of top line that was there last year that's not there this year, and that was at a very good margin.

The business that replaced it was at a much lower margin.

And that's probably one of the main reasons for seeing the comparative drop.

Those sales, is that sort of like oil that gets shipped around?

Who is supplying Russia at this moment, so to speak?

Yeah, it's not coming from the EU like it used to in the past.

I'm not sure where they're getting that that fulfillment.

Okay.

And then a big picture question if I could.

So if I can, if I'm thinking from your 10-K, which delineates the margins in Food Packaging, I think North America is the one with the greatest room for improvement.

And my question sort of strategically is do you think that it would benefit, that maybe that that geography would benefit from consolidation or any comments on that?

Yeah, one thing North America's faced, and we mentioned on previous calls, is just a high level of waste there.

We're battling to get it back to historical levels and there have been some improvements, but not where it could be.

And one of the opportunities there to reduce waste is to modernize our equipment and management is working on a capital plan to potentially start that process and implement that across many plants, which would begin in the US.

It's still in the planning stage and early at that, but depending on many factors, that could be very capital intensive and it could require capital infusion, potentially add debt or any combination thereof.

But I would say we're still in the outline form of that and there'll be more to come in the next part of the second half of this year, but that is one way we're trying to tackle the waste issue there.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

As I see no further questions in the queue.

I will turn the call back to Andrew Teno for final remarks.

Thank you very much.

So thanks, everyone, for joining us.

And I'd like to just leave with a reminder that here at Icahn, we are intensely focused on our activism strategy.

We have unique advantages, including the Icahn brand name and a long history and willingness to wage proxy contests.

It is this track record which frequently allows us to be invited to join the board and work cooperatively with them to figure the key changes that will drive shareholder value.

Furthermore, given our balance sheet liquidity, we have the ability to tender for entire businesses, a tool most simply do not possess.

Though our returns are lumpy and dissatisfying at times, as we continue to focus on our activist efforts at both our Investment segment and our controlled businesses, we believe they will bear fruit for all

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And thank you all for participating in today's conference.

You may now disconnect.