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  • Operator

  • Welcome to the Second Quarter 2017 Arista Networks Financial Results Earnings Conference Call.

  • (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded and will be available for replay from the Investor Relations section at the Arista website following this call.

  • I will now turn the call over to Mr. Charles Yager, Director of Investor Relations.

  • Sir, you may begin.

  • Charles Yager

  • Think you, operator.

  • Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us.

  • With me on today's call are Jayshree Ullal, Arista Networks President and Chief Executive Officer; Ita Brennan, Arista's Chief Financial Officer; and Marc Taxay, Arista's Senior Vice President and General Counsel.

  • This afternoon, Arista Networks issued a press release announcing the results for its fiscal second quarter 2017.

  • If you would like a copy of the release, you can access it online at the company's website.

  • During the course of this conference call, Arista Networks management will make forward-looking statements, including those relating to our financial outlook for the third quarter of the 2017 fiscal year, industry innovation, our market opportunity and the impact of litigation, which are to the subject risks and uncertainties that we discuss in detail and documents filed with the SEC, specifically, in our most recent Form 10-Q and Form 10-K and which could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated by these statements.

  • These forward-looking statements apply as of today, and you should not rely on them as representing our views in the future.

  • We undertake no obligation to update these statements after this call.

  • Also, please note that certain financial measures we use on this call are expressed on a non-GAAP basis and have been adjusted to exclude certain charges.

  • We have provided reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP financial measures in our earnings press release.

  • With that, I will turn the call over to Jayshree.

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Thank you, Charles.

  • Thank you, everyone, for joining us this afternoon for our second quarter of 2017 earnings call.

  • I'm pleased to report that we had quite the record quarter.

  • We achieved milestones in just about every financial metric as we crossed the $400 million sales mark for the first time, with revenue of $405.2 million, growing 50.8% sequentially year-over-year.

  • Our record profitability was demonstrated by our non-GAAP earnings per share of $1.34 and an operating margin of 36.3%.

  • Services contributed approximately 13% of overall sales.

  • From a geographic perspective, our customers in the Americas made up 75% of our total revenue, while the international theaters, in specific, EMEA and APJ, progressed steadily at 25%.

  • We delivered non-GAAP gross margins of 64.4%, well balanced across our 5 verticals and product mix.

  • Our top customers were represented by all 5 verticals in the following order: cloud titans, cloud specialty providers, service providers, financials and the rest of tech enterprises.

  • Our new customer additions were higher this quarter, exceeding our normal typical 1 a day acquisition.

  • In terms of new introductions in Q2 2017, this May, Arista introduced the next-generation of our Universal Leaf and Spine that we call the R2 Series.

  • This flagship platform delivers cloud scale routing with R2 Series line cards for existing Spine systems, new Leaf switches and a new 16-slot Universal Spine.

  • With the R2 Series and the 7516 chassis, we continue our track record of backwards compatibility and forward investment protection.

  • These platforms deliver breakthrough benchmarks of 15 terabits of capacity, a range of 60 to 576 100 gigabit Ethernet port density with future support of 400 gigabit Ethernet.

  • Our universal cloud network designs are in full from, scaling out east-west and scaling up north-south.

  • Arista's FlexRoute technology has now doubled to support 2 million routes, accommodating almost 3x the size of an Internet routing table.

  • The 7500 R2 Series also supports datacenter interconnect with secure encryption with MACsec at 100 gig line rates and coherent 200 gigabit DWDM with distances greater than 5,000-kilometers.

  • Leveraging our Broadcom partnership with Jericho plus Merchant Silicon, Arista is accelerating the legacy router to transition to programmable multi-gigabit routing with twice the density and half the power.

  • Our clean sheet approach to both layer 2 and layer 3 VPN solutions, leveraging Ethernet-Based Virtual Private Networks, EBPN, for both data plains of NPLS and VXLAN was demonstrated as part of the public multivendor interoperability showcase at the NFV World Congress in March of 2017.

  • Clearly, we are witnessing a migration from legacy routers to the state-of-the-art routing use cases for Internet exchange fabrics, additional network function virtualizations for both cable providers and mobile providers.

  • As I look at our Q2, we have built a sustained culture of innovation, integrity and execution, ushering and leading our customers into the cloud era.

  • As an example, Arista has upheld its leaders category for the third consecutive year in Gartner's Magic Quadrant with making great strides in both axis.

  • One -- number one, for completeness in vision and almost a close number 2 in ability to execute.

  • In late June, the Bay Area News Group published the Bay Area News Top Workplaces with a list of 95 best companies to work for in the San Francisco Bay Area.

  • Arista has been named to this list at #5 in the large company category with more than 500 employees.

  • In summary, as Arista completes its exceptional quarter, our business model and our foundational strategy remains purposed and unchanged.

  • We believe we are gaining market share in high-performance data center switching, specifically with the #1 spot in 100 gigabit Ethernet port switching with over 40% share according to Crehan's Q1 2017 report.

  • As I reflected on midyear 2017 accomplishments, I couldn't be more proud of our teams results on multiple fronts, solid financial metrics, customer quality and intimacy and a highly differentiated cloud networking suite of products.

  • This is the Arista way.

  • Now I'd like to turn it over to Ita, our CFO, for Q2 2017 financial specifics.

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Thanks, Jayshree, and good afternoon.

  • This analysis of our Q2 results and our guidance for Q3 '17 is based on non-GAAP and excludes all noncash stock-based compensation expenses and legal costs associated with the ongoing lawsuits.

  • A full reconciliation of our selected GAAP to non-GAAP results is provided in our earnings release.

  • Total revenues in Q2 were $405.2 million, up 50.8% year-over-year and well above our guidance of $354 million to $364 million.

  • Demand in the quarter exceeded our expectations and reflected continued broad-based demand for our products, not only in our cloud vertical, but also across the customer base.

  • Service revenues represented approximately 13% of revenue, consistent with last quarter.

  • International revenues came in at $101.2 million or 25% of total revenue, up from 21% in the prior quarter.

  • We remain focused on expanding our international footprint, but you'd expect our geographical revenue mix to fluctuate on a quarter-over-quarter basis depending on the timing of U.S. and international deployments.

  • Overall, gross margin in Q2 was 64.4%, up slightly from last quarter at 64.2% and favorable to the midpoint of our guidance of 61% to 64%.

  • This improvement versus guidance largely reflected higher-than-anticipated revenue levels, resulting in increased leverage in our fixed cost base and a healthier mix of international sourcing in the quarter.

  • Operating expenses for the quarter were $113.9 million, flat to last quarter, resulting in significant operating margin expansion on a quarter-over-quarter revenue growth rate of approximately 21%.

  • R&D spending came in at $70.9 million or 17.5% of revenue, down from $72 million last quarter.

  • This reflects reduced prototype and NRE spending, following the launch of our R2 products, offset by continued headcount growth.

  • Sales and marketing expense was $34.6 million or 8.5% of revenue, up from $33.6 million last quarter, with increased headcount and demo-related costs.

  • Our operating income for the quarter was $147 million or 36.3% of revenue.

  • Other income and expense for the quarter was a favorable of $0.5 million.

  • And our effective tax rate was 28.5%, resulting in net income for the quarter of $105.5 million or 26%.

  • Our diluted share number for the quarter was 78.8 million shares, resulting in a diluted earnings per share number of $1.34, up 81% from the prior year.

  • Legal expenses associated with the ongoing lawsuits came in at $12 million for the quarter.

  • Included in this amount are bonds associated -- are bond costs associated the 945 final determination, which required Arista to establish a bond to cover the importation and sales of affected products and related components during the 2-months presidential review period.

  • As a reminder, these legal costs and related expenses are excluded from the non-GAAP results discussed above.

  • Now turning to the balance sheet.

  • Cash, cash equivalents and investments ended the quarter at $1.1 billion.

  • We generated $79.2 million of cash from operations in the June quarter.

  • This reflects strong net income performance, combined with growth in deferred revenue, offset by an increase in supply chain related working capital.

  • DSOs came in at 61 days, up from 56 days in Q1, reflecting the timing of billings in the quarter.

  • Inventory turns were 1.6x, down from 1.7x in Q1.

  • Inventory increased to $363.8 million in the quarter, up from $286.8 million in the prior period.

  • This reflects growth at both the raw materials and finished goods level and is in line with our strategy of investing in supply chain related working capital where appropriate.

  • In addition, consistent with last quarter, we intend to further $34 million of inventory deposits recorded in other assets at the end of the quarter.

  • Our deferred revenue balance was $554.5 million, up from $497.2 million in Q1.

  • This balance continues to be made up of short and long-term service contracts and project-related deferrals associated with acceptance terms and future deliverables.

  • Accounts payable days were 51 days, up from 45 days in Q1, reflecting the timing of inventory receipts and payments.

  • Capital expenditures for the quarter were $4.2 million.

  • Now turning to our outlook for the third quarter.

  • We experienced exceptional growth in both revenue and earnings per share in the second quarter, reflecting record demand for our products across our customer base.

  • As we look forward to Q3, we believe that the fundamentals

  • of the business remain strong.

  • And while we were disappointed that the 945 orders were not suspended, we are now firmly focused on implementing product redesigns and working with customers on qualification so that we can meet their needs in compliance with the orders.

  • Operationally, we're now at scale with our U.S. contract manufacturer and believe we have the capacity to support U.S. customer demand from this site.

  • In addition, we've worked to solidify our U.S. supply chain and believe we can now support a more consistent use of U.S.-based sourcing as needed.

  • At this point, I would reiterate our previous discussion on gross margin as it relates to design-arounds and U.S. manufacturing.

  • We believe gross margins may be negatively impacted by these activities in the coming quarters and could range from 60% to 65% depending on how heavily weighted our revenue mix is towards U.S. manufacturing and sourcing in any given quarter.

  • We experienced significant operating leverage in Q2, with operating margins of 36% on a quarter-over-quarter revenue growth rate of 21%.

  • Based on our current view, we expect revenue growth in Q3 to moderate on a quarter-over-quarter basis, with expenses likely growing faster than revenue as we make the necessary investments to support the business.

  • With this as a backdrop, our guidance for the third quarter, which is based on non-GAAP results and excludes any noncash stock-based competition expenses and any legal costs associated with the ongoing lawsuits is as follows: revenues of approximately $405 million to $420 million, gross margin of approximately 61% to 64% and operating margin of approximately 30%.

  • Our effective tax rate is expected to be approximately 28.5%, with diluted shares of approximately 79.6 million.

  • Please note that based on our current outlook, we expect costs associated with the ongoing lawsuits to be approximately $12 million for the quarter.

  • This includes the remaining 945 bond costs associated with Q3 activities.

  • As a reminder, all of these lawsuits related costs are excluded from the third quarter non-GAAP outlook that we provided above.

  • I will now turn the call back to Charles.

  • Charles?

  • Charles Yager

  • Thank you, Ita.

  • We are now going to move to the Q&A portion of the Arista earnings call.

  • Due to time constraints, I'd like to request that everyone please limit themselves to a single question.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Mark Moskowitz from Barclays.

  • Mark Alan Moskowitz - Research Analyst

  • Clearly, the very strong outperformance here.

  • Just kind of curious if you can give us a better sense in terms of the relative contribution to this growth, Jayshree, from the cloud titans and the service providers?

  • And then for Ita, just kind of curious around the commentary around expenses, out pacing revenue growth going forward, what are going to be the targeted investment areas?

  • And when do expect a return on those investments?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Thank you, Mark.

  • As I said, all the verticals grew very well.

  • They were all double-digit percentage growth.

  • The cloud titans was #1 and, clearly, our largest contributor as it typically is.

  • We were very pleased with the growth in both cloud specialty providers and Tier 1, Tier 2 service providers.

  • They were #2 and #3, but almost neck to neck, and followed by the financials and rest of enterprise.

  • So every one of them grew well.

  • And every one of them was double-digit growth.

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Yes, And I think Mark, when you think about the commentary on the investments.

  • It's really -- I mean we grew revenues 21% in Q2, expenses were flat, right.

  • I think really what we're guiding to in Q3 is more of a normal return to investment in the OpEx line versus a more normalized quarter-over-quarter revenue growth.

  • But I don't know if there is anything particularly different there, it's just more the trend is changing Q2 to Q3.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Ittai Kidron from Oppenheimer.

  • Ittai Kidron - MD

  • Jayshree, maybe you could give us a little bit more color on the top line outperformance.

  • Specifically, how much of it was kind of routing driven versus switching?

  • And then, Ita, regarding your outlook margin commentary, clearly you keep beating it, the operating margin outlook.

  • And I guess that no one would suspect that you're not going to do same in September quarter.

  • But even modeling it middle of the range, I mean, the assumed increase in expenses from June to September to get to 30% operating margin is steep in a way that has never been accomplished by you in the past.

  • So what's going to be unique this time or should we just assume upside again next quarter?

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Maybe I'll take that one first.

  • I mean, again, I'd encourage to kind of listen to our guidance.

  • I think 30% operating margin is a good healthy guide.

  • It is a quarter where we are reserving degrees of freedom to invest where we need to and to manage through the quarter.

  • So I think I'd listen to the guide.

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes, now I wanted add to that, what Ita said, I think we were all pleasantly surprised with -- just as you were with the 36% operating margin, and we wouldn't want you to take that to the bank every quarter.

  • Our business model is not on that.

  • But with a combination of product mix and very strong customer spending from many verticals, we all got pleasantly surprised.

  • We'd like to be pleasantly surprised every quarter, every year, but we want to count on more normal behaviors.

  • Regarding contributions to growth, both our switching and, of course, our routing are doing very, very well.

  • You may remember, I challenged the team -- Anshul and his team, last summer to have 100 customers.

  • And we have doubled our customers again this quarter and we have exceeded 100 customers with the FlexRoute license.

  • In particular, the R-Series, both the 7500R and 7280R, these are flagship routing and switching products that were last year contributing about 20% to 25% of our revenue.

  • So new products are 20% to 25%, and they have jumped in the first half to over 30%, up from 0 last year in March.

  • So really, good progress on the new products.

  • And they're definitely fueling our growth in 2017.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Steve Milunovich from UBS.

  • Steven Mark Milunovich - MD and IT Hardware and EMS Analyst

  • Could you comment on your expectations for your Microsoft business?

  • I think you've been talking about 10% to 15% of revenue.

  • The revenue number now, of course, is much higher.

  • And Cisco did announce that Microsoft Azure would be using the Nexus 9K, are you concerned about any encroachment there?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • No.

  • I think, as I've always said, nothing's really changed here.

  • When I look at cloud, in general, and Microsoft, cloud titans tend to favor and want a dual-vendor strategy.

  • So I would be remiss in not pointing out that, while Arista is the primary vendor in many cloud accounts, including Microsoft Azure, we haven't really seen any appreciable change in that mix.

  • Microsoft continues to be a very important partner.

  • We fully expect it to be a north of 10% customer even though our revenues increased and the range has not changed.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Alex Kurtz from KeyBanc Capital Markets.

  • Alexander Kurtz - Senior Research Analyst

  • Just going to ask the inverse of that question, Jayshree.

  • When you think about your cloud titan vertical, excluding Microsoft, what was the pace of business with those other accounts and sort of how do they shape up with pipeline going through the second half of '17 here?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • That's a good question, too.

  • I think one of the things that made Q2 exceptional was the fact, Alex, that Microsoft wasn't the only contributor.

  • We had a number of cloud titans and cloud specialty providers contributing into the number, and their pace of growth is equal or better.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Vijay Bhagavath from Deutsche Bank.

  • Vijay Krishna Bhagavath - VP and Research Analyst

  • My question is on better understanding the product cycle dynamics in 100-gig switching and then heading on to 400- gig.

  • So help us understand, Jayshree, where are we, approximately, in this product refresh cycle?

  • Are you primarily seeing 40-gig refresh 200- gig in the Spine?

  • Are we still super early days in terms of top of rack?

  • And then, when would these cloud titans cut over to 400-gig?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Okay.

  • That's a very good question, thoughtful question.

  • First of all, I think we're in very early stages of 100-gig upgrade cycles in general.

  • 40-gig is -- was a window of opportunity, mostly in the enterprises, but almost every major cloud is going to 100-gig Spines, right.

  • And I think that cycle started for us with the -- especially the R series, there was a little bit of it in the E, but it really started in 2016 and I believe it's a 5-year cycle.

  • The 5-year cycle on 100-gig is going to fuel the next cycle in 400-gig.

  • It's still too early to predict exactly when it will start.

  • I think it's fair to say the optic cycle has started sooner than the switching and routing 400-gig cycle.

  • But we anticipate that will be in the next 1 to 2 years.

  • For, certainly, the early adopters, like the cloud guys, since -- I think 2019 is a good year to think of for 400- gig.

  • So I think a majority of the cloud verticals are making sure that their designs -- their network designs are 400-gig capable.

  • So they can activate them in the same Spine chassis as the 100-gig.

  • Vijay Krishna Bhagavath - VP and Research Analyst

  • Okay.

  • A quick follow-on for Ita.

  • Ita, as we launch this new merchant silicon like Jericho plus, Tomahawk 2, on and on, how should we think of product gross margins?

  • Would those new chipsets be lower gross margin than current silicon?

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Yes.

  • I mean, we haven't really seen any great variance in the gross margin based on the silicon.

  • So I think you should probably think about it as business as normal as we make those product transitions.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Kulbinder Garcha from Crédit Suisse.

  • Kulbinder S. Garcha - MD

  • Maybe for Jayshree, can we get an update on where we are with the HPE relationship?

  • I assume that's not adding much in terms of revenue and that would be an incremental driver, as it were, in the second half and going forward.

  • And then, for Ita, on the ITC side.

  • So is the -- just to be clear, is the workaround available yet to customers or not?

  • Or are you removing it from product?

  • Or what exactly is happening there?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Okay.

  • Thanks, Kulbinder.

  • Actually, I'll take both questions.

  • On HPE, it is not material right now.

  • The teams are very, very hard at work and have been for the last 6 months to a year.

  • I believe we will see the results of our labor really, as I've said before, consistently in second half of 2017 and more likely 2018.

  • And even when we do, I think, we've got to be realistic that HPE is very strong in the midrange enterprises and international customers.

  • So we would measure HPE as a more strategic partner to complement our sales coverage model and really partner with them where we're not.

  • And this is really important to understand.

  • Not to focus on the 5 verticals we have, but to complement the 5 verticals we have.

  • And regarding -- what was your second question, where we are on the ITC and workaround?

  • Kulbinder S. Garcha - MD

  • Yes.

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • You can imagine that we have been preparing for these 945 workarounds very similar to the way we were preparing for the 944, for almost 2 years, right.

  • Be clear that customers have already started preparing with us.

  • We are in beta this quarter and we're in the midst of active beta testing for them.

  • And this is very similar, again, to a process we went through this time last year with 944.

  • There is a combination of both a software release certification, and in selective customers that need high-performance (inaudible), there may be some hardware qualification as well.

  • So we expect the completion of these new releases at the tail end of this quarter, Q3, September.

  • Typical qualification time can take several weeks, 4 to 6 weeks.

  • And so you can expect our systems engineers and our engineers, in general, are working very closely with our customers.

  • I want to reiterate, of course, that we are fully compliant to the order.

  • And we're making sure that all the product that's shipping domestically is non-infringing and addresses the 2 patents in 945 that we were found to infringe from U.S. ITC and we were found to be invalidated by U.S. CTO.

  • Kulbinder S. Garcha - MD

  • And would you say, Jayshree, there is any impact on revenue growth from any of this?

  • And how you've thought about the outlook going forward?

  • Not really, it sounds like.

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Could we have given you better guidance than we did for Q3, is that your question?

  • Kulbinder S. Garcha - MD

  • Kind of, yes.

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • I think we did the best we can between what we believe our execution will be and what a realistic guidance is.

  • So taking all -- you can imagine we took all those risk factors into consideration to provide you the guidance.

  • And we believe that September will be a crucial month in our quarter to execute on these workarounds and the guidance reflects that.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Jess Lubert from Wells Fargo Securities.

  • Jess Ian Lubert - Director & Senior Equity Analyst

  • First, I wanted to follow up on Kulbinder's question.

  • I just wanted to clarify if you do expect to be able to ship your full suite of products this quarter?

  • And then, secondly, I was hoping you can help us understand how we should be thinking about the gross margin dynamics over the next few quarters?

  • To what extent your guidance assumes you'll need to more aggressively leverage domestic supply?

  • Or do you have enough inventory on hand, at least, for this quarter that it's probably not much of an issue, but becomes more of an issue down the path?

  • Any kind of insight on that would be helpful.

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Yes, Jeff, I'd kind of take you back to kind of the conversation we had last quarter, as well.

  • I mean, we're running the 2 supply chains kind of in parallel, right?

  • So we do have inventory.

  • And we do plan to leverage that.

  • But we're also maintaining and running our U.S. sourcing, right?

  • So it will be somewhat balanced between the 2. I think that's why the guide is kind of 61 to 64, pick up the midpoint of 62.5.

  • Plus or minus, we'll see where we come out, but I think that's the thinking, right?

  • And then, obviously, over a longer period of time, if we ship more to the U.S., that's when you would see us move to the lower end of that range.

  • But I think for the interim, you should think about it as a balanced U.S. and inventory-based sourcing.

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • And just to answer your question on shipments, obviously, we're continuing uninterrupted supply to the international customers who are not affected by any of these U.S. ITC orders.

  • In terms of domestic shipments, we're doing limited shipments right now.

  • And if I were to predict, I would say our shipments will be less linear this quarter and we will be back-end loaded in terms of shipments to accommodate some of the customer certifications and qualifications, I mentioned to you earlier, for the 945 workaround.

  • So obviously, our Q3 guidance is taking all that into consideration, but we feel good about the shipments.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Roderick Hall of JP Morgan.

  • Roderick B. Hall - VP and Senior Analyst

  • I guess I'll just congratulate you again, these are phenomenal numbers.

  • Two questions.

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Well, thank you, Rod.

  • We don't mind hearing it over again and again.

  • Thank you.

  • Roderick B. Hall - VP and Senior Analyst

  • Yes.

  • One is the growth source on the international business.

  • That really accelerated a lot this quarter.

  • Can you talk a little bit about, are those the same customers you've had internationally that are just growing more?

  • Or have you developed some new revenue sources there?

  • What's driving that growth?

  • And then, I also, I guess I wanted to ask about containerized EOS, and how that's progressing?

  • And whether you think by the end of the year that could be a material source of revenue?

  • Just kind of how are things going with containerized EOS?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Rod, so as you know, our international business did contribute as our revenue growth, if we can keep 25%, that's pretty good, especially given the strong cloud titan contribution we always get in the U.S. So one of the very interesting things -- and I'd actually like Mark Foss, our Senior Vice President of Field Operations, to comment on this, is we're seeing a very interesting pattern.

  • I talked about the high customer acquisition rate and a lot of that contribution comes internationally.

  • You want to talk about that?

  • Mark Foss - SVP of Global Operations & Marketing

  • Yes.

  • Roughly, 50% of new customers that we acquired in Q2 were international.

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • So that is far greater than the revenue contribution.

  • And I think that's a good sign for us of things to come in the future.

  • So we're sowing the right seeds right now in terms of investment, both in our sales and go-to-market strategy and our customer acquisition.

  • Roderick B. Hall - VP and Senior Analyst

  • All right.

  • And then, containerized EOS, any update on that?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • So for containerized EOS, we continue to get a lot of reception from a technology and architectural point of view.

  • I think the adoption of this is still very early stages.

  • We have yet to really publicly announce any production version of containerized EOS, but I think it will take 2018 to really see some of that.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of James Faucette from Morgan Stanley.

  • James Eugene Faucette - Executive Director

  • I just had a quick clarification, can you -- maybe Jayshree, can you explain how the interaction between the PTO and the ITC works now going forward?

  • And at what point does -- do they come back online (inaudible).

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • James, we can't hear you very well.

  • I'm going to try and repeat your question, so that I got it right.

  • Can you explain the interaction between the 2 legal systems and the U.S. government, is that your question?

  • James Eugene Faucette - Executive Director

  • Yes, yes, yes.

  • I'm sorry.

  • I was just trying to get, can you explain the interaction between the PTO and ITC going forward?

  • And then, just a broader question is with where you're at now and with the mix that we're looking at, particularly, with HP and international, should we be thinking about 30% potentially being kind of your new level of operating margin target?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Okay.

  • Let me address the first and I'm going to turn it Marc Taxay.

  • As you know, first of all, we got caught between 2 legal systems.

  • The U.S. PTO invalidated 2 patents in June of 2017 and the U.S. ITC declared an infringement and an import ban in July of 2017.

  • So this is the legal system at work for you, and we're clearly disappointed.

  • I will let the legal pundits decide this is a really fair policy or needs reform.

  • But, Marc, you've been living this assault for the last 2.5 years and, in particular, the last 2 months.

  • Do you want to share your thoughts on the scorecard and what do you think of that?

  • Marc Taxay - SVP and General Counsel

  • Yes, yes, happy to do that and happy to talk about the interplay, too.

  • I think it's worth noting, I mean, just given where we are today and where we started that, from our perspective, we're actually quite pleased with the status of the litigation, having narrowed the current focus of the cases from 14 patents and the various copyrights that were originally asserted against us, down to the 3 patents in play now.

  • One, just the subject of the redesign of the customs in the ALJ was found to be non-infringing.

  • And then, the other 2, which you point out, were the subject of PTAB decisions that determined that those 2 patents were invalid.

  • With respect to the interplay, essentially, in the 945, the ITC order went into effect prior to the PTAB decisions.

  • We sought a suspension of the ITC's remedial orders based upon the PTAB decision.

  • And the ITC made the decision that given that those PTAB decisions occurred afterwards and that, technically speaking, those patents don't get canceled until the completion of appeals that they -- essentially what they said was you have to wait until the appeals are completed before they would be able to suspend those -- formally suspend the orders.

  • So what we have done is really a couple of things.

  • One is, execute on the strategy that we've been -- we've had in place here now for some time.

  • We always had that strategy completely independent of the ITRs.

  • We have also, in the ITC, have filed a motion to stay in the ITC.

  • And we're waiting on a decision from the ITC with respect to that.

  • If the ITC denies that suspension as well, what we will do is file another motion to stay in the Federal Circuit.

  • And we'll wait to see there.

  • But again, I think the important part, as Jayshree and Ita said, is we're moving forward on the strategy that we had set up, again, some -- quite some time ago.

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Yes, and then just back to your 30% operating margin question, I mean, I think in an environment where we're growing at the pace that we're growing that, that's probably not an unreasonable view of the world.

  • But I mean, it is somewhat being fueled by the top line growth that we see, right?

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of George Notter from Jefferies.

  • George Charles Notter - MD and Equity Research Analyst

  • I guess, I wanted to ask about lead times.

  • I think going back to Q1, you guys mentioned that lead times came back into a more normal range.

  • I presume with all the demands you're seeing they're stretched.

  • But if you could give us an update there that would be terrific.

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • Thanks, George.

  • Thank you for the good wishes.

  • Yes, I think one of the things Ita and John McCool, our new Head of Manufacturing, and the whole team have done is really put a plan in place.

  • You heard Ita talk about the inventory planning that's gone into place.

  • And I think U.S. manufacturing is pretty much a new norm for us.

  • And we're running 2 contract manufacturers worldwide, both in the U.S. domestically and 1 internationally.

  • So lead times are very much in control.

  • And they have not changed for the better or worse.

  • They remain consistent from Q1.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Aaron Rakers from Stifel.

  • Aaron Christopher Rakers - MD

  • I wanted to explore again this quarter the continued accelerated year-over-year growth in your deferred revenue, in particular, short-term deferred revenue.

  • And how we should think about that balance relative to that being recognized to the revenue stream?

  • And maybe any kind of feeling for what you're expecting that short-term deferred revenue balance to kind of trend like over the next couple quarters?

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Yes.

  • I mean, I think you can see in the numbers, right?

  • It did tick up a little bit on the short-term.

  • A chunk of that would be services.

  • There's a little bit of product growth there.

  • It's a difficult number to predict.

  • And we deliberately don't guide it for that reason.

  • I think -- yes, I wouldn't expect it to continue to grow.

  • I think that's probably all I would say at this point, right?

  • I don't think -- it's probably not reasonable for us to expect it just to continue to grow over time just given the nature of what it is, right?

  • And then, we'll see where we are when we kind of get to the end of the quarter but...

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • And Aaron, you have to realize that in the last year, we've had a lot of factors for our growth.

  • We talked about 100 gigabit, we talked about the routing, we talked about the cloud titans.

  • We also talked about the new product qualifications.

  • So that has not only impacted our overall business, but it's impacted our deferred revenue and some of the new features we have to qualify.

  • So it's been unusually and particularly high, and we shouldn't take this as a norm.

  • Aaron Christopher Rakers - MD

  • And just to understand that, so as you turn those features on, that revenue immediately kind of gets recognized over the course of that next quarter or 2.

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Yes.

  • I mean, it's all about what the acceptance term is and the particular contracts, and that's going to vary across the different contracts.

  • If it's related to a feature, then you recognize the revenue when you deliver the feature.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Jason Ader from William Blair.

  • Jason Noah Ader - Partner, Co-Group Head of Technology, Media, and Communications

  • Jayshree, you guys are normally very conservative when it comes to guidance, but seems like you really under-forecasted the top line in Q2.

  • I guess, what you think changed, I guess, was kind of the main question I had?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • I think we try to be responsible more than just conservative.

  • And I think what changed is that our customers surpassed any forecast we had, to be blunt.

  • And it was also Anshul Sadana, our Chief Customer Officer's first full quarter.

  • So he just kicked some butt, so a special shout out to him.

  • But look guys -- and in particular, had we known it was going to happen, we would have had more linear expenses.

  • We didn't have a chance to catch up on expenses.

  • So we just had a very good quarter.

  • And I'm very proud of the team.

  • Jason Noah Ader - Partner, Co-Group Head of Technology, Media, and Communications

  • Are there are any specifics that you can point to in terms of 100-gig accelerating faster than you expected or any particular customer segment?

  • I mean, if it's just as simple of every major customer you had spent a lot more, I mean, why?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • So I think I said a few things, I'll repeat them.

  • 100-gig acceptance is very good.

  • We have the #1 market share as north of 40% in Q1.

  • I believe we would've continued that trend in Q2.

  • Our routing customers stepped up from the switching.

  • We're now over 100 customers, and so we're making good penetration in both the cloud vertical and service providers, especially with routing.

  • So that was a big deal.

  • Our new products started contributing even more to our overall revenue in -- going from 20% to 25% to now north of 30% in Q2.

  • So that's a pretty big contribution.

  • Our cloud verticals -- all 5 verticals did well but, in particular, our cloud verticals, both the titans and the cloud specialty providers, did very, very well.

  • And while they were doing well, it's not like anybody was slacking, the other 3 verticals were contributing.

  • I would give a special mention also to our engineering team for not just the innovation and disruption they keep creating, but the high standard of quality.

  • So I don't think it was one thing, it was everything.

  • And certainly, we wouldn't be here without the intimacy with our customers.

  • They all are looking at Arista in much a more strategic, foundational way for their networking decisions.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Kvaal from Nomura Instinet.

  • Jeffrey Thomas Kvaal - MD

  • And, I guess, now that we are kind of north of $400 million and you've given us guidance that that's sustainable into the September quarter.

  • Is there anything that you're able to share with us about the trajectory from here?

  • Or even if -- do you feel that these numbers this quarter and next number -- next quarter are sort of a sustainable base from which to grow from?

  • I just want to make sure that we're not either under- or over-projecting this spectacular quarter.

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • I think -- I'll let Ita speak to this as well.

  • I think you really bring up a good point.

  • This is a spectacular, exceptional quarter.

  • Please don't expect us to do this linearly every quarter, that would be tough, right?

  • I think we just got a great sort of confluence of a lot of good things that happened.

  • However, we think our total available market is still very good.

  • And Arista is still in the teens, probably around 14% or 15% of our primary market share with adjacencies in routing, with adjacencies in data analysis.

  • The acceptance of CloudVision has been very good.

  • It's not a major revenue contributor yet.

  • But you may remember last year, I told you we had over 100 customers.

  • And we are well on our way to doubling our CloudVision customer base as well.

  • So our software contribution, although small, is becoming very strategic to our placement.

  • So I think our foundation and our fundamentals are clear.

  • And we have to just keep executing.

  • So short of any crisis, we hope we'll continue to do that in forthcoming quarters.

  • We don't want to project the year or next year.

  • It's too early to call these things, primarily because the cloud spend is generally short-term.

  • You only have visibility to 1 or 2 quarters.

  • So it wouldn't be responsible of us to say much more.

  • Ita, you want to add something to that?

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • I think that's right.

  • I wouldn't -- Q2 was exceptional.

  • I wouldn't extrapolate that out.

  • I would think it -- think about it more in terms of just nice, solid, consistent execution.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Simon Leopold from Raymond James.

  • Victor Chiu

  • This is the Victor Chiu in for Simon.

  • I just wanted to make sure that I understand what assumptions are being reflected at the extreme ends of the gross margin range?

  • So for example, does the high-end of gross margin guide incorporate an assumption for a specific probability of U.S. manufacturing mix?

  • And if that's the case, what could gross margins look like if you were allowed to import freely without any restrictions at all?

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Yes.

  • I mean, I think the way to think about it is the 2 bookends, right?

  • The higher one is where we have freedom of operation and we're heavily focused on international supply, et cetera.

  • We're leveraging all of that.

  • And then, the 60%, the bottom end of the range, is really an environment where it takes a long time to get through the customs process, et cetera, and we're becoming very heavily focused on utilizing U.S. supply and U.S. sourcing.

  • Victor Chiu

  • Okay.

  • So the high-end assumes complete freedom in being able to import.

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Yes.

  • The high-end assumes that we're back to, more or less, to normal.

  • And we think that's what that range would look like from a sourcing perspective.

  • The lower end assumes we're heavily in the U.S.

  • Victor Chiu

  • Yes, I mean, I just asked because the high-end of that range seems pretty consistent with what you've seen over the last 6 quarters, I guess?

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • Right.

  • And we've been fortunate in that the timing has worked out where we've been able to leverage a lot of international supply kind of through that time period, right?

  • I think now we're looking at it as more strategically.

  • And we said this last quarter, right, that we're going to look at it more strategically and maintain the U.S. sources and make sure that we were using those U.S. sources consistently.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Hendi Susanto from Gabelli & Company.

  • Hendi Susanto - Research Analyst

  • Ita, now that your U.S. manufacturing facility is at scale, what kind of gross margin impact should we anticipate going forward?

  • Does at scale mean that you have lessened its impact on gross margin today from 6 months ago?

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • I don't know that I'd say that.

  • I think at scale means we're happy with the supply and the availability of supply there and the capacity.

  • I think the -- if you look at the gross margin guidance that we talked about, it's pretty consistent with what we had before, right?

  • And we're still expecting that we will carry some overhead burden from sourcing and operating in the U.S. So I think the ranges are what we gave next quarter 61% to 64%.

  • In a prolonged U.S. environment, 60% gross margin as a floor.

  • I think that's the way to think about it.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Fahad Najam from Cowen & Co.

  • Fahad Najam - Associate

  • If you can just remind us the revenue that you had in the quarter from routing?

  • I know you said you already surpassed the 100 customer mark.

  • But can you just let us know what the revenue -- from revenue -- from routing was?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • So Fahad, we don't break down routing because most of our platforms that we ship, ship with both switching and routing.

  • So our best way of describing routing is through our FlexRoute licenses, which then you translate into the number of customers.

  • So what we're really saying is we now have over 100 customers deploying routing in production 1 year after introduction.

  • Fahad Najam - Associate

  • Just to be clear, I think if I go back in my notes, I think you had previously said, you expect about $50 million in incremental revenue in calendar '17 from routing.

  • Are you at or anywhere close to that mark?

  • Or you significantly surpassed that milestone?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • I mean, it's -- like I keep telling you, it's difficult to track that.

  • Do you count the line card as switching or routing?

  • Do you count the chassis or switching or routing?

  • So -- and the FlexRoute licenses are software.

  • So if we start giving you numbers, then it's shared numbers between switching and routing, and that's why we're not going there.

  • It's too confusing.

  • Fahad Najam - Associate

  • Got it.

  • And then, you have now got the R2 platform, which significantly expands your TAM, to address more telco-related routing use cases.

  • And 1, looking forward into '18 and beyond, do you think routing -- where should we be thinking routing should be as a percentage of revenue?

  • Again, I realize it's hard to predict.

  • But the deeper penetration that you're driving now with telcos and the telco cloud on the routing use cases, how should we be thinking about that?

  • And then, I have a follow up on ...

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • I think the best way -- we can have a longer discussion.

  • But for this earnings call, I would say the best way is to look at our number of customer acquisitions, that's a key.

  • And then, our success in service providers.

  • Those are 2 strong indicators of how we're doing in routing.

  • And don't let the dollars confuse you, because routing and switching are truly coming together.

  • And there's less and less of a standalone router market, except for legacy guys.

  • Fahad Najam - Associate

  • Got it.

  • You've significantly outperformed your competition.

  • Can you let us know on where pricing is, has there been significant changes in pricing over the last quarter?

  • Do you see competition trying to...

  • Charles Yager

  • Fahad, we want...

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • You've gone to 3 questions.

  • I'll answer this politely, but our pricing has not changed for us.

  • It always is competitive.

  • Our competitors love to buy business and tank their prices whenever they see Arista.

  • But as we repeatedly said, I think Arista is evolving into a stronger and more strategic cloud networking provider, this is our DNA.

  • So it's not surprising that, while our competitors attack us on pricing or mimic our buzzwords and do some marketing, that we're not seeing any big changes and fluctuations.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Stanley Kovler from Citi Research.

  • Charles Yager

  • And by the way, this is our last question.

  • So Please go ahead, Stanley.

  • Stanley Kovler - VP and Analyst

  • It's Stan Kovler.

  • I just wanted to ask you, in terms of the attribution and some of the upside to growth, how should we think about some of the near-term visibility that you actually have?

  • Is a lot of that also a function of what's coming off your balance sheet?

  • You mentioned that you're adding some features that were in the deferred revenue and, in conjunction, congratulated the engineering team for presumably delivering that.

  • And from a demand perspective, a lot of it is coming from the Spine.

  • So I'm wondering how much of that is a function of you avoiding some of the slowdown in like the server and storage market, where they're facing more component shortages, when you think about cloud builds in general?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Okay.

  • I think I followed the question.

  • I didn't -- can you just -- are you asking how did we manage our Leaf and Spine and there are some issues on the Leaf side with storage and compute, is that your question?

  • Did I understand correctly?

  • Stanley Kovler - VP and Analyst

  • I'm just wondering where the outperformance came from, because if you look at other areas of spend in cloud, there are -- there were some challenges in other areas, basically, from a pricing standpoint?

  • So I'm wondering if the fact that you have deferred revenue and you're more levered to the Spine now with 100-gig than top of rack, if those are some of the elements that are helping you avoid those potential areas of shortfall?

  • Jayshree Ullal - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • I'm going to defer the deferred revenue question to Ita.

  • But just to be clear, our cloud revenue is very real in networking.

  • And when you look at these large CapEx spends from the cloud titans and cloud providers, you have to recognize there's buildings, facilities, cooling, power, compute, storage.

  • And the networking spend is actually dwarfed by all of that.

  • So the networking spend is healthy and Arista is getting its fair share because of its competitive products.

  • So we're doing fine both in the Leaf and Spine.

  • I want to be clear on that.

  • Ita M. Brennan - CFO and SVP

  • And Stanley, if you look at the deferred.

  • The deferred revenue is actually up quarter-over-quarter.

  • So I mean, there's no deferred revenue impact that's happening there.

  • Charles Yager

  • This concludes the Arista Q2 2017 earnings call.

  • I also want to mention that we have posted a presentation, which provides additional information on our fiscal results, which you can access on the Investors section of our website.

  • Operator

  • Thank you for joining, ladies and gentlemen.

  • This concludes today's call.

  • You may now disconnect.