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  • Operator

  • Welcome to Assurant's Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Francesca Luthi, Chief Communication and Marketing Officer.

  • You may begin.

  • Francesca Luthi - Executive VP and Chief Communication & Marketing Officer

  • Thank you, Dan, and good morning, everyone.

  • We look forward to discussing our second quarter 2017 results with you today.

  • Joining me for Assurant's conference call are Alan Colberg, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Richard Dziadzio, our Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer.

  • Yesterday, after the market closed, we issued a news release announcing our second quarter 2017 results.

  • The release and corresponding financial supplement are available at assurant.com.

  • We'll start today's call with brief remarks from Alan and Richard before moving into Q&A.

  • Some of the statements made today may be forward-looking, and actual results may differ materially from those projected in these statements.

  • Additional information on factors that could cause the actual results to differ from those projected can be found in yesterday's news release as well as in our SEC reports.

  • On today's call, we also will refer to non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are important in evaluating the company's performance.

  • For more details on these measures, the most comparable GAAP measures and a reconciliation of the 2, please refer to the news release and financial supplement available on assurant.com.

  • I'll now turn the call over to Alan.

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • Thanks, Francesca, and good morning, everyone.

  • Overall, our second quarter results were solid and demonstrated ongoing progress toward achieving our financial commitments for 2017 and beyond.

  • While Global Housing experienced higher noncatastrophe losses, our other business segments performed in line with our expectations.

  • For the full year, we remain confident in our ability to maintain net operating earnings, excluding catastrophe losses, at 2016 levels and to generate double-digit earnings per share growth.

  • This now reflects a revised outlook for our Global Housing and Corporate segments, which Richard will discuss in greater detail.

  • We are also well on our way to completing the $1.5 billion return of capital to shareholders by the end of 2017.

  • As we progress through this year, we will continue to focus on leveraging our capabilities to expand in key housing lifestyle markets to offset declines in our lender-placed and legacy businesses.

  • Let me now share a few recent highlights, beginning with Global Lifestyle.

  • Within Connected Living, we continue to strengthen our leadership position across the mobile ecosystem.

  • Earlier this month, we launched a protection plan with Comcast for XFINITY Mobile.

  • Going forward, XFINITY Mobile customers can access a premier suite of protection, support and upgrade services for their mobile devices.

  • It's one of the most comprehensive protection offerings available, including coverage for accidental damage, loss and theft, as well access to our technical support platform and self-diagnostic tools.

  • In addition XFINITY iPhone users have full access to AppleCare services.

  • We're also continuing to expand our mobile franchise globally.

  • As an example, we launched a new mobile and gadget protection offering in France with Darty, an electronics retailer with more than 350 stores in France.

  • This program helps consolidate our position in France as a leading provider of mobile and extended service contracts sold through affinity partners.

  • These new partnerships, along with contributions from existing clients, are expected to produce profitable growth in 2018 and beyond.

  • Now let's look at Global Housing.

  • Despite the absence of reportable catastrophes in the quarter, results were impacted by a substantial level of weather-related claims, including various ISO events.

  • While individually these events did not reach our reportable catastrophe threshold of $5 million pretax, they were, nonetheless, significant and serve as a reminder of the inherent variability of weather and the need for adequate protection for consumers.

  • This quarter, we've finalized our $1.4 billion Catastrophe Reinsurance Program, reducing Assurant's financial exposure while protecting more than 2.8 million homeowners and renters in the U.S. and Latin America against severe weather and other hazards.

  • We purchased the coverage on attractive terms to ensure we continue to protect their homes and personal property.

  • Looking at our multi-family housing business, we again delivered double-digit revenue growth year-over-year as we continue to expand our share with affinity partners and property management companies in the U.S. We now partner with more than half of the top 50 PMC's.

  • To sustain our leadership position, we've invested in enhancing the consumer experience with more digital and self-service capabilities.

  • We are also identifying potential international markets to capitalize on global rental trends.

  • Strong results in our multi-family housing business helped offset weaker performance in mortgage solutions, where market demand for origination and field services remained soft.

  • In response, we've reduced expenses and are continuing to implement technology enhancements to drive additional efficiencies long term.

  • So let's look now at how we're performing against the key financial measures we use to track our progress.

  • Net operating income, operating earnings per diluted share and operating return on equity, all exclude reportable catastrophe losses given the inherent volatility of such events.

  • Through the first 6 months of this year, our net operating income decreased 8% to $197 million, primarily due to expected declines in lender-placed.

  • Despite lower earnings, operating earnings per share of $3.51 increased 5% from the 6 months of 2016, driven by share buyback activity.

  • Annualized operating ROE, excluding AOCI, was 10%, down from 10.5% for full year of 2016, reflecting higher average equity this year.

  • At the end of June, our holding company capital totaled $625 million with $375 million available for deployment.

  • During the past 18 months, we've now returned nearly $1.3 billion of capital to shareholders, representing 85% of our stated commitment, while continuing to maintain a strong balance sheet.

  • While we will continue to evolve our business as we build a stronger Assurant, we believe 2017 will represent the last major year of our multiyear transformation.

  • We remain focused on driving profitable growth in 2018 and delivering on our long-term objectives for 2020.

  • Our attractive business portfolio, innovative offerings and strong client partnerships, together with a more efficient and effective operating model, are expected to deliver greater and more diversified earnings.

  • This should, in turn, continue to provide for strong cash flow generation and greater flexibility in capital deployment.

  • I'll now turn the call over to Richard to review our second quarter in more detail.

  • Richard?

  • Richard S. Dziadzio - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Thank you, Alan, and good morning.

  • Let's start with a look at Global Housing.

  • Earnings totaled $56 million compared to $57 million in the prior year period, as declines in our lender-placed insurance business were mostly offset by lower reportable catastrophe losses.

  • While we did not have any reportable catastrophe losses in the quarter, we had a $10 million impact after tax from a higher noncatastrophe loss ratio.

  • This stemmed, in part, from wind and hail damage related to 15 ISO events, all of which fell below our reportable threshold.

  • Looking at our key metrics, the combined ratio for our Global Housing risk-based businesses improved 30 basis points to 87%.

  • This primarily reflects the absence of reportable catastrophe losses this quarter compared to $25 million pretax in the same quarter last year.

  • This was partially offset by higher noncatastrophe losses and additional expenses to support new lender-placed loans.

  • The pretax margin for our fee-based, capital-light businesses increased to 11.7%, up 50 basis points from the prior year period.

  • This was due to growth in multi-family housing, largely to expansion within our affinity channels.

  • While the performance of our mortgage solution business improved from earlier this year, second quarter results remained soft due to continued weak demand for new loan originations and field services.

  • Actions taken in the first half of the year reduced expenses and help mitigate margin pressure.

  • Turning to revenue.

  • Second quarter net earned premiums and fees in Global Housing decreased 2%, primarily due to a 26 basis point year-over-year decline in the placement rate in our lender-placed insurance business.

  • We expect ongoing reductions to the placement rate in the range of 6 to 7 basis points per quarter through the end of 2017.

  • This is driven by client mix, including a higher concentration of loans with lower-than-average placement rates.

  • As we move into 2018, we expect placement rate declines to moderate.

  • Looking at our fee-based, capital-light businesses, multi-family housing revenue increased 15% during the second quarter.

  • This reflects growth in renter's policies sold through our affinity and PMC channels, where we now serve more than 1.6 million renters nationwide.

  • In mortgage solutions, fee income was down 12% year-over-year, primarily related to weaker market demand and client volume for originations and field services.

  • However, on a sequential basis, fee income increased by 14%, reflecting seasonality and additional working days.

  • For the full year 2017, we anticipate continued declines in Global Housing, net earned premiums and earnings, excluding catastrophe losses.

  • Lower premiums in lender-placed as well as weaker demand within mortgage solutions will present additional headwinds in the second half of this year.

  • While expense initiatives are already underway, we do not expect that they will fully mitigate the impact of lower revenue in 2017.

  • Overall, we remain focused on driving profitable growth in multi-family housing and realizing operating efficiencies across Global Housing to deliver on our long-term target of 20% ROE for the segment.

  • Now let's move to Global Lifestyle.

  • The segment -- the segment's earnings decreased by $10 million to $40 million.

  • This was attributable to an $18 million onetime tax benefit recorded in the second quarter of 2016.

  • Absent this item, earnings increased $8 million, primarily reflecting higher contributions from our Connected Living business, partially offset by less favorable loss experience within vehicle protection.

  • Specifically, Connected Living results benefited from ongoing expense savings, a onetime adjustment from an extended service contract client and modest growth within mobile, as we ramped up new programs globally.

  • Revenue for the segment overall decreased, entirely due to a $138 million reduction in net earned premiums associated with the change in the client program structure implemented late last year.

  • As a reminder, this change also extended our relationship with an important Connected Living client and had no impact on earnings.

  • Excluding this change, revenues for Global Lifestyle were up $59 million or 8%.

  • We were pleased to see growth across all of our key lines of business globally, though this was partially offset by foreign exchange volatility largely associated with the pound.

  • Turning to key performance metrics, the combined ratio for the risk-based businesses, which include vehicle protection and credit insurance, rose 120 basis points to 97%, driven by less favorable experience in vehicle protection.

  • We expect our combined ratio to remain within the range of 96% to 98% long-term.

  • The pretax margin for our fee-based Connected Living business rose to 6.4% from 3.2% last year, approximately 100 basis points of this increase was driven by the change in the client program structure referenced earlier.

  • The balance reflected expense savings within extended service contracts, the onetime adjustment referenced earlier and growth in mobile, which was partially offset by investments to support new program launches.

  • For the full year 2017, we continue to expect segment net operating income to increase from Connected Living, driven primarily by growth in mobile in the second half of 2017.

  • Growth in our vehicle protection business is also expected to be a driver along with expense management efforts already underway across Global Lifestyle.

  • All of this has helped -- is expected to help mitigate declines in legacy businesses.

  • While earnings may fluctuate quarter-over-quarter depending on volumes, loss experience and investments required to support growth, we are confident that the segment will continue to deliver earnings growth of 10% or more on an average annual basis in the long term.

  • Now let's turn to Global Preneed.

  • Earnings increased $2 million to $13 million, primarily reflecting higher fee and investment income, partially offset by expenses.

  • Total revenue for pre-need increased by 7%, driven largely by growth within our Canadian pre-need business.

  • New face sales this quarter decreased by 3% year-over-year, reflecting lower volumes and final need policies.

  • We believe this is just normal quarterly variability.

  • Year-to-date, total face sales were up 1%.

  • In 2017, we continue to expect fee income and earnings to increase in pre-need, driven by growth across North America and by operational efficiencies.

  • Moving to Corporate, net operating loss decreased by $9 million to $11 million.

  • As a reminder, in the second quarter last year, we incurred higher taxes and fees associated with employee benefits.

  • Corporate expenses were also lower this quarter.

  • We now expect our Corporate net operating loss for this year to total approximately $60 million, a reduction of $11 million from 2016.

  • Key drivers are lower tax and employee-related costs as well as reduced Corporate expenditures.

  • Moving on to capital, we ended the quarter with approximately $375 million in deployable capital.

  • We upstreamed $160 million of capital to the holding company during the quarter.

  • This included $89 million in dividends from our operating segments and $71 million of capital from Health and employee benefits.

  • We continue to expect operating segment dividends to approximate segment earnings for the full year and, in addition, to receive approximately $15 million more from Health and employee benefits as we release residual capital.

  • During the second quarter, we returned $142 million to shareholders with $112 million returned via share buybacks and the remaining $30 million through common stock dividends.

  • Also in July, we repurchased another $25 million of our stock.

  • To summarize, we've continued to make good progress in the second quarter, and we delivered solid results.

  • We remained focused on delivering on our commitments to shareholders for the full year and on driving profitable growth in 2018 and beyond.

  • And with that, operator, please open the call for questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question is coming from the line of Jimmy Bhullar with JPMorgan.

  • Jamminder Singh Bhullar - Senior Analyst

  • So I had a few questions.

  • First, given the sort of change in the makeup of your LPI book, how do you think about placement rates?

  • And if we stay in this type of a housing environment, barring any major correction, where do you think that the rate will stabilize?

  • I think you've set it 1.8% to 2.1% in the past, but it seems like it will drift a little bit lower than that partly given some of the new loans that you've taken on that have a naturally lower placement rate.

  • And then I have a couple other ones as well.

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • All right.

  • So Jimmy, let's take that one, and then we'll come back and you can carry on with the questions.

  • So if you think about the 1.8% to 2.1% placement rate that we've put out, we've put that out in 2011 and that was a 3- to 5-year outlook for where we thought placement rates would go.

  • It's actually taken us 6 years to get into that range, given how the foreclosure crisis played out in the market.

  • The way to think about it longer term, this business is countercyclical.

  • So as long as the housing market continues to improve, you'll see gradual declines in placement rates.

  • Although we do expect that to moderate as we get into 2018.

  • And then if we do get into any kind of housing issues again in the future, we'll see placement rates growing.

  • But for now, expect continued gradual declines in the placement rate moderating as we get into 2018.

  • Jamminder Singh Bhullar - Senior Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then on the mortgage solutions results, they improved sequentially but the premium growth was still negative.

  • So how much of it do you attribute just to lower originations versus maybe a loss of market share or lower demand for the type of services that you provide?

  • Richard S. Dziadzio - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Jimmy, it's Richard Dziadzio.

  • Yes, I think when we look at mortgage solutions, I would say we talked about the headlines -- the headwinds that we had last time in the quarter.

  • Certainly, we have continued headwinds in both the originations [build-out] of asset services.

  • But I would say, we do feel that things have stabilized now.

  • And in terms of quarter-to-quarter, we were up 15%.

  • Part of that is just, as I've mentioned in my earlier notes, additional working days.

  • But in addition to that, we are investing, as we said, in technology, in operating efficiencies.

  • So longer term, we're still feeling good about the area.

  • Jamminder Singh Bhullar - Senior Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then just lastly on capital deployment, I think if I look at your $1.5 billion capital deployment guidance for '16 and '17, it implies buybacks of roughly $175 million or so in the second half.

  • So a slower pace than where you've been recently.

  • Under what scenarios would you do less than that?

  • It seems unlikely, but under what scenario would you do less than that?

  • And likewise, is there a possibility that as you go through this year, barring no additional deals, that you end up doing more than the $1.75 billion or the $1.5 billion total.

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • So Jimmy, I think I'll start by saying, we are focused on delivering on our commitment to return $1.5 billion to shareholders through 2016 and 2017, that's our #1 focus.

  • We will always look at how much excess capital we have and what's the greatest value we can provide to our shareholders, either through investing in organic growth, selectively doing M&A, as you've seen us doing, or returning the capital, and we'll continue that philosophy.

  • But our #1 priority is to deliver on that commitment to return the $1.5 billion.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is coming from John Nadel with Crédit Suisse.

  • John Matthew Nadel - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • I've got a couple for you guys.

  • Richard, I believe you mentioned, but I might have just missed it, the significant noncat weather, I think you referred to $10 million.

  • I'm not sure if that's a discrete higher level of losses in the second quarter, or if that's just explaining the variance year-over-year.

  • Can you give us a little bit more color?

  • Richard S. Dziadzio - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Yes.

  • Thanks, John, for the question.

  • In terms of the noncat ratio, it was up, and you are correct, we talked about it being up 10% in the quarter, and that's an after-tax number.

  • In fact, what we saw and really, what we see in the market is there was, I would call it, a lot of weather in Q2.

  • But we didn't have such weather to the extent that any one storm came up to our reportable catastrophe levels.

  • So we didn't have any storms over $5 million that hit us.

  • So really, what you see when you look at our total combined operating ratio, you see we came in at 87% and that's against 87.3% last year.

  • So I guess, all in, we're kind of at the same level.

  • John Matthew Nadel - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • Yes, that -- and that was going to be my next point, right?

  • I think, if I recall, I just want to confirm this, I think the target for the risk business there is 86% to 88%, so -- and that's inclusive of cat, so we're kind of there, right?

  • Richard S. Dziadzio - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Yes, yes.

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • You're correct.

  • John Matthew Nadel - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Next 1 is just a housekeeping item, the onetime contract adjustment in the extended service contract business.

  • I think you mentioned the favorable item related to a single contract.

  • Was that of any note in terms of size?

  • Richard S. Dziadzio - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • It was relatively small.

  • It was -- the onetime adjustment we talked about some last quarter, it was a true-up.

  • We go back and we work with the clients and true things up.

  • For this one, it was an extended service contract, as I've mentioned, and the amount of impact was $2.6 million after-tax.

  • John Matthew Nadel - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • And then, I guess 1 bigger picture question, the $100 million expense save target that I think you guys have talked about, and I don't recall specifically the time frame, but can you give us an update on where you stand against that [bogey]?

  • How we should think about the remainder of the delivery of that expense save over time?

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes, so the way to think about the $100 million, we set that out in Investor Day last year as a 2020 target.

  • So by 2020, we'd get to $100 million of gross savings run rate.

  • And we have committed that at our next Investor Day, which is likely early next year, we'll give a lot more granularity on progress.

  • But I think we feel good about the momentum there.

  • You saw some of the impact coming through on our Corporate expense line.

  • That's one of the reasons why we were able to lower the Corporate loss this year.

  • You've seen our Connected Living margin expanding.

  • It's up by, I think, almost 300 basis points versus a year ago, that's part of that.

  • We are also investing, though, in the short-term.

  • So for example, this year, we've been standing up and rolling out a procurement capability across Assurant.

  • That's not going to generate any savings in the short term, but it will be a significant driver -- or any net savings in the short-term, but it will be a significant driver over time.

  • So we feel like we're on track that the majority of those benefits are going to flow through in the future years.

  • John Matthew Nadel - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • Okay, that's helpful.

  • And then the last 1 for you, and I don't know how much you can or can't talk about this.

  • But the XFINITY contract sounds really intriguing.

  • I'm just curious whether you can give us any sense for the potential size of that contract over time, in terms of impact to revenues or margins.

  • Or, how to think about that?

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • So, first of all, we're very excited to be in partnership with Comcast.

  • It's a great addition to our client portfolio, and we're well positioned to grow with them as they grow in this business.

  • They have, I think, 15 million-odd of potential -- I think that's the right number, but they have a large number of customers, and we have the potential to penetrate.

  • And if we're successful, this could be a very meaningful program over time.

  • John Matthew Nadel - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • And I'm sorry, you said 15 million?

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • Maybe 25 million.

  • It's either 15 million or 25 million, apologies.

  • But it's a large number.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from the line of Seth Weiss with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

  • Seth M. Weiss - VP

  • Most of my questions have been asked, but maybe just a couple follow-ups here.

  • Just on the placement rate discussion in LPI.

  • With the 6 to 7 basis points moderation, obviously, we'll come below that range.

  • Can you just comment how much of that is a business mix issue in terms of taking on this lower placement rate business?

  • And how much of that is perhaps, what I would maybe categorize as the legacy portfolio, coming in lower than what you originally anticipated?

  • Richard S. Dziadzio - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Yes, yes.

  • Seth, it's Richard.

  • I'll take the question.

  • In fact, what we've been talking about over time is the 4 to 5 basis point decline in the placement rate.

  • And that, I would say, really is the reflection of market conditions and Alan mentioned it earlier in his comments about the improvement in the macroeconomic environment and, in particular, the housing market.

  • What we're seeing today and mentioned earlier is, we do have a mix of business, a different mix of business now.

  • As you know, we brought on new clients at the end of last year.

  • We talked about it at that time in terms of the overall placement rate being lower.

  • So as we see that working through, we're really updating the placement rate from going from 4 to 5 per quarter to 6 to 7 per quarter for the rest of 2017.

  • And as Alan mentioned earlier in his talk, we do see that moderating in 2018.

  • Seth M. Weiss - VP

  • Okay, so the moderation may be going back to more of that historical 4 to 5 decline until we get a turn in the cycle, is that fair to say?

  • Or moderation maybe even...

  • Richard S. Dziadzio - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Yes, no, I think that's our current thinking, it's the 4 to 5 longer term.

  • But again, it's macroeconomic environment, the business mix, et cetera.

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes, and as we get into our planning for next year and as always, with Q4 earnings, we'll provide a much more specific outlook on next year.

  • Seth M. Weiss - VP

  • Okay, that's very helpful.

  • And then just a big picture question on the ROE and the long-term growth targets set back in early 2016 at the last Investor Day.

  • You've revised that guidance -- not that guidance, but you've revised your general guidance a couple of times, particularly related to certain fee-based type products in the subsequent quarters here.

  • So in that light, can you just discuss what's gone better than expected from when you set that guidance in '16?

  • What's gone perhaps worse than expected?

  • And if you would still categorize the 15% long-term EPS goal as attainable?

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes, so Seth, first of all, I don't think we've changed other than the adjustment for the client contract change.

  • So we did raise the Connected Living margin because the client contract changed the group geography's accounting.

  • But we haven't changed our outlook from 2016 Investor Day that I'm aware of.

  • Seth M. Weiss - VP

  • I meant some of the specific business lines in terms of the tweaks you give on a quarterly basis but not a change to that longer-term guidance, obviously.

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • Okay.

  • And the only one we even changed on those, I think, was Connected Living because of the change in client contract.

  • But if I go through the broader issue, so the most important commitment on our mind is grow earnings.

  • And this year, as we've said, we now expect to be flat, and we're well positioned for profitable growth in 2018 and beyond.

  • The second commitment was grow EPS by 15% on average.

  • We didn't achieve it last year.

  • We are on track this year to deliver double-digit EPS growth.

  • And then if we can grow earnings and continue capital deployment, we'll be positioned to grow EPS over time.

  • And then we talked about gradually improving ROE to 15% by 2020.

  • That's really a combination of we are -- we do have quite a bit of excess capital today that's depressing the ROE in the short term, combined with the growth in earnings, combined with the rotation as we add more lower capital-intensive growth, and we can see line of sight over time to that.

  • And then the other major commitments we've made, like, the $1.5 billion capital return, we're $1.3 billion through that at this point.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Your next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with SunTrust.

  • Mark Douglas Hughes - MD

  • It seems like the outlook for iPhone shipments is pretty robust as we go through the next few quarters especially later this year, early next year.

  • Is there anything you see in the channel that suggests more optimism, more potential for stepped-up activity?

  • Is that potentially a driver for the mobile business for you?

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • So Mark, the release of new phones is always a significant event for us.

  • It's too early to tell exactly what Apple will release and when they'll release and when they'll have availability.

  • But the good news for us is it will be a significant contributor.

  • Exactly when and how much, it's too early to say.

  • Mark Douglas Hughes - MD

  • Right.

  • And I'm sorry I missed the early part of the call.

  • Did you -- you had mentioned in the press release higher losses in the vehicle protection business, a less favorable experience.

  • Could you talk about that for a second?

  • Is that just kind of a variability in the business?

  • Are you seeing some underlying changes?

  • Richard S. Dziadzio - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Mark, it's Richard.

  • And yes, we did mention that, in fact, during the quarter, we had some increased losses from part of the -- one of the products that we have in the vehicle protection service business.

  • And it actually brought the loss ratio up to 97%.

  • So we were at 92% last quarter, it did bring it up.

  • But I would say that our long-term expectation is that, that business would be in the 96% to 98%, and we're also seeing some good growth on the top line there as well.

  • Mark Douglas Hughes - MD

  • Right.

  • How about new business trends in vehicle?

  • Has that slowed a bit?

  • Or are you still seeing growth in the new warranties?

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes, we're still seeing growth, really, from a combination of things.

  • Our business mix is as much on used cars as new cars, so changes in new car sales don't immediately affect our business.

  • The other thing about this business is the way it earns, so sales that we've made often don't start to show through our earnings for a period of time, it could be years depending on the nature of the program.

  • So we've been expanding our market share, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S., and we've got good momentum and growth in that business, which is continuing.

  • Operator

  • And we have no further questions at this time.

  • I will now turn it back to the presenters for closing remarks.

  • Alan B. Colberg - President, CEO & Director

  • Thanks, Dan, and thanks, everyone, for participating on today's call.

  • To recap, it was another solid quarter.

  • We've continued to execute our transformation and remain confident in our outlook for 2017.

  • We look forward to updating you on our progress later this year.

  • In the meantime, please reach out to Sean Moshier with any follow-up questions.

  • Thanks, everyone.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • This does conclude today's teleconference.

  • Please disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day.