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Thank you for joining us for the Vectrus Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast.

Today's call is being recorded.

My name is David, and I'll be the operator for today's call.

(Operator Instructions)

And now I'll pass the floor over to your host, Mike Smith, Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Development at Vectrus.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Welcome to the Vectrus Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call.

Joining us today are Chuck Prow, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Matt Klein, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Slides for today's presentation are available on our Investor Relations website, investors.vectrus.com.

Please turn to Slide 2. During today's presentation, management will be making forward-looking statements pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the federal securities laws.

Please review our safe harbor statement in our press release and presentation materials for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from the results contemplated by these forward-looking statements.

We assume no obligation to update our forward-looking statements.

At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Chuck Prow.

Thank you, Mike.

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today.

Please turn to Slide 3. I am pleased to report our solid operating performance and success in the marketplace continued in the second quarter.

I'll look for this momentum to continue through the second half of 2017.

With regard to new business, the Keesler contract cleared all legal challenges, and we are currently in contract start-up.

Additionally, our pipeline progression continues at a good pace, and I am optimistic with regard to additional pipeline conversion in the second half of 2017.

I'll discuss both Keesler and our pipeline in greater detail later in my remarks.

With regard to operating performance, I am very pleased with our team's progress on the program start-ups at Thule Air Base and Keesler and on the recompeted and retained contracts at Maxwell and the Army OPMAS-E program.

The program start-up phase is difficult, and I'm proud of our team's success to this point for these 4 complex programs.

Although, I will discuss Enterprise Vectras in greater detail later in my remarks, I do want to reinforce how optimistic I remain with regard to the impact it will have on our business performance, as we seamlessly integrate across programs and functions and aggressively leverage best business practices and technologies wherever possible.

Given that the execution of our strategy will continue to place added focus on leadership and talent development, we recently held a summit for current and future leaders within Vectrus at our Colorado Springs headquarters.

With a global workforce of approximately 5,600 employees that spans 143 locations and 18 countries, we have an extensive and rich employee base from which to cultivate future leaders.

We planned to leverage and invest in our people to drive our strategy and business results.

Finally, I'd like to reinforce our commitment to our client's mission and the broader defense industry.

We have been fortunate in the first half of 2017 to have been recognized by Military Times for the Best of Vets: Employers 2017 Ranking and by Victory Media's Publisher of G.I. Jobs in Military Spouse with 2017 Military Friendly Employer designation.

Now I would like to discuss our second quarter 2017 financial results and highlights.

Revenue for the second quarter was $259 million, down $49 million year-over-year due primarily to completion of our APS-5 contracts and lower revenue from our Afghan programs.

Operating margin was 3.5% compared to 3.7% last year.

Diluted earnings per share were $0.49, down from $0.55 in the second quarter of 2016.

Year-to-date, net cash provided by operating activity was $6 million compared to $19 million last year, due primarily to the temporary timing of cash collections in the period.

Regarding new business, I am pleased to announce that on June 12, the U.S. Government Accountability Office, or GAO, dismissed a protest associated with our Keesler Air Force Base contract, discussed during last quarter's call.

As a reminder, Keesler is a $97 million 7-year firm fixed-price contract to provide base operations support services at one of the largest technical training wings in the U.S. Air Education and Training Command.

Keesler is home to the 81st Training Wing, is the U.S. Air Force Electronic Training Center of Excellence and handles more than 28,000 students annually.

This long-term contract award is also an important win for our client as it is bringing Keesler in line with the Air Force vision for support contracts and will yield savings of approximately $16 million annually.

The Keesler award builds on a $278 million Maxwell Air Force Base operation support recompete win that was awarded in the first quarter.

Vectrus continued as a trusted provider of facilities and logistics services to the Air Force in 8 countries, and we look forward to continuing to deliver value-added solutions in support of its mission.

We deeply understand our client's continuously evolving and complex mission requirements as well as their unique manpower and budget challenges.

We work hard to design and provide solutions that can answer our client's challenges, while maintaining high levels of service, performance and innovation.

Vectrus is pushing the curve in how we can perform better, faster and more efficiently to further enable mission success for our clients.

Year-to-date, we have generated contract bookings in excess of $900 million, which include new business, recompetes, contract modification and extensions.

As a reminder, many of our contracts are longer term in duration, often time ranging between 5 and 7 years and sometimes even longer.

In total, our new business and recompete awards are helping to improve our revenue visibility over the longer term.

We continue to reduce our balance sheet leverage and ended the quarter with $78 million in debt, which is down $7 million from the fourth quarter of 2016.

Under our credit agreement, our mandatory payments in the third and fourth quarters are $3.5 million and $5.3 million, respectively.

At 1.61x debt to EBITDA, we remain well below our 2017 covenant of 3x.

Finally, during the quarter, we successfully underwent an ISO 20000-1 triennial recertification assessment where IT Service management system's processes and practices were reviewed for compliance and effectiveness.

This internationally recognized credential is an enabler that allows us to make qualifications necessary for current and new business.

Vectrus remains committed to ISO and other industry-leading standards that bolster our ability to provide robust and differentiated solutions to our clients.

Please turn to Slide 4. Our year-to-date results provide visibility for us to reaffirm our 2017 guidance for revenue, net income, diluted earnings per share and net cash provided by operating activities.

Matt will discuss the guidance ranges in greater detail shortly.

Turning to new business.

Our prospects remain solid with over $4 billion of identified opportunities, which we plan to bid over the next 12 months.

We also have approximately $1 billion in bids submitted pending award.

The timing on awards remain difficult to predict, but we remain positive about our ability to continue winning new contracts and retaining our current business.

Additionally, over the past 2 quarters, we have refined our pipeline and concentrated our efforts in order to increase the probability of success on pursuits that are aligned with our core business and our strategic imperatives.

I'd like to point out that subsequent to the second quarter, we were awarded our third task order under the Air Force contract augmentation program to provide various operations, maintenance and repair services at an airport base in Kuwait.

Specific support activities include electrical, power generation, water, fuel, structural and heavy equipment.

While the contract value is small, it is an additional new-work in Vectrus on a contract vehicle we have not held in the past.

It also underscores our rapid response capability and commitment to serving side-by-side with our clients anywhere and anytime they need us.

Whenever Vectrus wins a new contract, the phase-in period is of critical importance to both Vectrus and our client.

In many cases, we are bringing on hundreds, if not thousands of employees as well as various subcontractors and vendors during phase-in, all while maintaining expected performance and service levels.

At Vectrus, we pride ourselves on providing exceptional performance with minimal risk during contract transition.

In some situations that may require investment on our part, which is why, at times, we see lower operating margins at the beginning of contracts.

One of our primary focus areas for the remainder of this year and heading into 2018, is phasing-in our recent wins.

Regarding Keesler, the phase-in has gone exceptionally well.

We became fully operational on 1 August, and are well underway to helping the airport achieve its vision and mission-centric goals.

Additionally, the Thule phase-in, which I'll discuss in greater detail momentarily, continued to go well with full contract operations to begin on 1 October '17.

We are also aligning our recent Maxwell and OPMAS-E recompetes to position it for a successful 7- and 5-year periods of performance, respectively.

Turning to our strategy.

We continue to make solid progress.

As you may recall, our goal is to transform Vectrus into a higher-value technology-enabled and differentiated platform through the execution of 3 core strategies: expand the base, enhance the portfolio and add more value.

Each of our core strategies has a series of strategic imperatives.

One of those imperatives we have discussed on prior calls is to aggressively and systematically integrate our enterprise operations.

During the first quarter, we advanced our enterprise program known as Enterprise Vectrus.

I'm excited to announce that we are now in a process of deploying Enterprise Vectrus on our Thule phase-in.

Enterprise Vectrus coalesces and expands on some of the most successful attributes of our current programs, which will now be built into the foundation of our Thule contract.

The Enterprise Vectrus system employs processes, people and various tools and technology, including IT-enabled solutions, LEAN principles and phase-in road maps, all of which will result in higher value, best-in-class outcomes.

We're also looking forward to deploying Enterprise Vectrus across the enterprise, which will ultimately serve as a differentiator and yield significant benefits to our clients.

During the second quarter, we welcomed Sue Deagle to the Vectrus' executive management team, who will serve as our Chief Growth Officer.

Sue brings significant federal market experience and will play a major role in the implementation and execution of our growth strategy.

Sue is a versatile leader and over the course of her career has excelled in many different roles, ranging from Systems Engineer to Vice President of Sales.

Throughout her career, she has demonstrated the ability to lead large teams and achieve growth through innovation.

Sue has hit the ground running and in the short period she has been with Vectrus she's already visited several of our programs in Europe, the U.S. and the Middle East.

I'd now like to provide an update on our Kuwait-Based Operations and Security Support Services contract known as K-BOSSS.

As we previously reported in March, we were awarded an extension, which had a 1-year base period of performance through March 2018.

Additionally, extension includes 2 option periods the first being 9 months and the second being 3 months, which if exercised by the client, would extend performance through March 2019.

In terms of the potential K-BOSSS recompetition, our client plans to incorporate the requirements on to the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program V, or LOGCAP V, competition.

For over 28 years, the LOGCAP program has successfully supported the Army and DoD by augmenting the commander's logistics capability with commercial service providers.

Regarding the LOGCAP acquisition strategy, there are expected to be up to 6 indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity, contract awards.

Each base contract had a 10-year ordering period, and the maximum dollar amount for the 10-year ordering periods for all contracts cumulatively at $82 billion.

The latest update from the Army has an award day scheduled for June 2018.

However, the Army has not yet issued an RFP.

LOGCAP V is a recompete of LOGCAP IV.

In order to provide a sense of the size of the current contracts from government fiscal year 2007 through 2016, approximately $20 billion has been obligated to 3 vendors.

It is worth noting that Vectrus was a significant subcontractor to a prime contractor under LOGCAP IV, so we are intimately familiar with the contract and its requirements.

From 2009 to 2016, Vectrus has generated revenue in excess of $1 billion under the LOGCAP IV program.

We believe Vectrus is well positioned for LOGCAP V, and our capability is strongly aligned to our clients' requirements and the emerging operational environment.

Vectrus is well known for our ability to rapidly respond anywhere across the world in challenging and austere environments to meet our client contingency mission requirements.

For over 70 years, Vectrus has prodded exceptional results for our clients ranging from subzero Arctic and Antarctic climates to the desert heat of the Middle East.

Now I'd like to turn the call over to Matt.

He will go through our financial results and discuss 2017 guidance, and we will open up the call for questions.

Thank you, Chuck.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Please turn to Slide 5. Today, I will be discussing our financial results for the 3 and 6 months ended June 30, 2017.

In the second quarter of 2017, revenue was $259 million, down $49 million or 15.8% as compared to the second quarter of 2016.

This decrease in revenue was attributed to lower activity from our Middle East programs of $24.3 million, Afghanistan programs of $16.8 million and our U.S. programs of $9.6 million, partially offset by an increase of $2.1 million from our European programs.

During the second quarter of 2017, as previously discussed, our APS-5 contract came to a conclusion, driving much of the Middle East programs period-over-period therein.

Operating income for the second quarter of 2017 was $9.2 million, down $2.1 million or 18.5% compared to the second quarter of 2016.

Operating margin for the second quarter of 2017 was 3.5% compared to 3.7% operating margin in the second quarter of 2016.

Operating income for the second quarter of 2017 was lower when compared to the same period of 2016, primarily due to the reduction in revenue and slightly higher SG&A, offset by cumulative contract adjustments.

During the second quarter of 2017, we recorded net favorable cumulative adjustments to operating income of $2.2 million compared to $0.3 million in the same period of 2016.

There are many factors that drive contract performance, including successful contract modifications and extensions of current contracts.

Adjustments can be positive or negative, are a normal part of the business and our guidance contemplates this reality.

Interest expense for the second quarter of 2017 was $1.1 million or $0.7 million lower in the same period of 2016.

The decrease in interest expense was due to a lower debt balance.

In addition, in the second quarter of 2016, we incurred bank fees associated with credit agreement modifications.

Tax expense for the second quarter of 2017 was $2.7 million compared to $3.5 million in the same period of 2016.

The lower tax expense was due to the decrease in revenue in the second quarter of 2017 as well as a change in the effective tax rate to 32.9% from 36.7% in the second quarter of 2016.

The decrease in the tax rate was primarily due to a windfall tax benefit created by the impact of the increase in our stock price on equity-based compensation awards.

Net income for the quarter ended June 30, 2017, was $5.5 million compared to $6.1 million in the second quarter of 2016.

The decrease is due to lower operating income of $2.1 million, partially offset by lower interest expense of $0.7 million and lower tax expense of $0.8 million when compared to the second quarter of 2016.

Diluted earnings per share for the second quarter of 2017 were $0.49 compared to diluted earnings per share of $0.55 in the second quarter of 2016.

The decrease was due to a lower net income in the second quarter of 2017.

Now I'd like to discuss year-to-date 2017 financial results, which are reflected on the lower half of Slide 5. Year-to-date, 2017 revenue was $549 million, a decrease of $69 million or 11.2% as compared to the same period in 2016.

The decrease in revenue was attributed to activity from our Middle East programs of $23.9 million, Afghanistan programs of $37.1 million, U.S. programs of $7.1 million and European programs of $1.1 million.

Year-to-date, 2017 operating income was $20.9 million, down $2.3 million or 9.8% when compared to the same period in 2016.

Operating income, as a percentage of revenue, was 3.8% year-to-date compared to 3.7% for the same period in 2016.

As you will see in our 2017 guidance discussed later in the presentation, we are holding our full year operating margin at the previously communicated midpoint of 3.5%.

This implies a lower run rate for the balance of the year relative to the 3.8% we reported through June.

The change from the first half performance is a reflection of the potential temporary pressures of phasing in several new contracts, the closure of APS-5 contracts and the implementation of our new strategic imperatives.

We believe the new programs, successful recompete wins, contract extensions, along with the successful implementation of our strategic imperatives will result in a sustainable annual margin above our historical performance.

Net favorable adjustments to operating income for the year-to-date 2017 and year-to-date 2016 were $4.9 million and $3 million, respectively.

Net income for the 6 months ended June 30, 2017, was $12.1 million compared to $12.6 million for the same period of 2016.

The decrease was due to lower operating income of $2.3 million, partially offset by lower interest expense of $0.8 million and lower tax expense of $0.9 million.

Year-to-date, 2017 diluted earnings per share were $1.09 compared to diluted earnings per share of $1.16 for the same period in 2016.

Year-to-date net cash provided by operating activities was $5.7 million, which is $13.6 million lower compared to the same period in 2016.

Day-sales outstanding as of the second quarter 2017 was 59 days compared to 52 in the second quarter of 2016.

The unfavorable impact is associated with temporary timing of invoice collections.

Please turn to Slide 6. During the second quarter of 2017, we made $3.5 million of mandatory debt payments, lowering the total debt balance to $78 million, representing a total debt to trailing 12 months consolidated EBITDA leverage ratio of 1.61x.

The total debt to trailing 12 months consolidated EBITDA leverage ratio covenant level for 2017 is 3x and will drop to 2.75x in the first quarter of 2018.

We have worked diligently to improve our financial position, and as you can see from the chart, since the third quarter of 2014, we have significantly reduced our leverage profile.

As discussed on last quarter's call, we are currently evaluating options to improve the terms of our credit facility, working with our lending partners to improve our financial flexibility for capital allocation decisions in the future.

Please turn to Slide 7. For the second quarter 2017, total backlog was $2.8 billion, and funded backlog was approximately $900 million.

Total backlog includes both funded and unfunded backlog and represents firm orders and potential options on multiyear contracts.

Total backlog excludes potential orders under indefinite-delivery and indefinite-quantity contracts and contracts under protest.

Backlog includes the $97 million Keesler Air Force Base contract, which cleared the GAO protest on June 12.

Please turn to Slide 8, and we will discuss 2017 guidance assumptions.

We are reaffirming our 2017 guidance, revenue, operating margin, net income, diluted EPS and net cash provided by operating activities, full year guidance ranges remain unchanged.

The annual revenue will be in the range of $990 million to $1.09 billion.

The annual revenue midpoint of $1.04 billion is a $151 million lower when compared to 2016 actuals, due primarily to the completion of the APS-5 Kuwait contract phase-out.

In 2017, the APS-5 Kuwait contract generated $60 million in revenue compared to $181 million for the full year 2016.

The guidance range for operating margin remains unchanged at 3.4% to 3.6% with a midpoint of 3.5%.

Net income will be in the range of $18.7 million to $22.3 million.

Diluted earnings per share will range from $1.68 to $2.

The midpoint of diluted earnings per share is $1.84.

The range for diluted earnings per share assumes an estimated $11.2 million weighted average diluted shares outstanding.

2017 net cash provided by operating activities is expected to be in the range of $22 million to $28 million.

Capital expenditures for 2017 are expected to be approximately $1 million.

Depreciation and amortization is expected to be $2.3 million for 2017.

2017 mandatory debt payments are $15.8 million.

Interest expense is forecasted at $4.2 million, and we are currently estimating a 36% tax rate for the full year.

Now I'd like to provide some insight into 2018 revenue.

Setting aside K-BOSSS, both Keesler and Thule are expected to contribute approximately $50 million of incremental revenue.

While we were successful on winning all of our recompetes during 2017, some contracts will undergo a pricing factor reduction versus their historical run rate.

Additionally, in 2017, we generated $63 million of revenue from the APS-5 contracts that will not reoccur.

As Chuck mentioned earlier, we remain positive on our pipeline and the successful execution of our pipeline could drive additional revenue.

Finally, we anticipate contracts up for recompete to be about 10% of our revenue in 2018.

Now I'd like to turn the call over for questions.

(Operator Instructions) Our first question is from Brian Ruttenbur with Drexel Hamilton.

A couple of questions.

First of all, on your 2018 guidance.

You got several moving parts in there.

Can you then tell me assuming you keep K-BOSSS, then what is all the puts and takes mean roughly flat revenue in '18 or slightly down?

What direction are we going, assuming no new wins and no new losses?

Yes, so let me just reiterate what we had in the prepared remarks.

If we use our 2017 midpoint as a guide to 20 or 10 40, and we have the year-over-year change on APS-5 of about $63 million, and then the incremental growth on new business for Keesler and Thule that would also -- that would all align to essentially a flat revenue base in 2018.

We also have a $1 billion of bid submitted in pending award this year.

Pending on the success of the second half of this year, that could also contribute into '18 to give us some growth potential into next year.

Brian, this is Chuck.

I would like to reiterate well that, of that $1 billion under current evaluation, we fully expect to see half of that materialize one way or the other in the second half of this year.

So that will give us a great deal of clarity about our growth trajectory for next year.

Okay.

So the APS-5 plus the 2 wins that's a wash, and then you have a bunch of bids and then you have your own roughly 10% of your base up for rebid, is that correct?

Correct.

And if you think about our business, we have on average a period of performance of 5 years, you would expect every year to have about 20% under recompete, so to be at 10% or below is a light year.

Okay.

Very good.

Let me talk about or ask about, excuse me, the refinance coming up or potentially coming up.

It seems like you're finally in a position that you can change your terms.

You've paid down your debt nicely according to, at least my calculations, you'll be down below $70 million by year-end of debt.

What kind of cash will you have with that, roughly $40 million, is that the right ballpark?

We're trending to above $50 million today in actual cash balance.

As we think about the second half of the year, the -- let me go back.

So when we spun as a new company, we had a very restrictive credit facility.

And in so doing, new public company, a lot of uncertainty in the business.

We've had 2 years of consistency and a strong debt paydown plan and we've execute that nicely.

As we look forward into the fourth quarter of '18, we had a pretty steep amortization schedule, and we want to get ahead of that.

So we're looking at the second half of '17 to refinance our current credit facility.

And with 2 years behind us and some consistency on how we're handling the debt, we think that the terms should get much more favorable going forward.

All right.

And then, another financial question, and then I'll ask something different.

On the tax rate, do you see that same tax rate rolling forward into '18 -- barring anything changing in Congress?

Yes.

I would think that 36% is a [reasonable] (inaudible) for '18 in a simple way to think about it.

The federal tax rate is 35% and another percent or so for state taxes, primarily related to our ACE-IT contract.

Okay.

And then, let me ask about pipeline.

Chuck, what are you bidding on?

Is it more base operations?

Is it IT work?

Is it -- can you tell me what direction you're going with these bids?

Is it all over the board?

And what is your stated objective to expand margins, to expand revenue?

What do you want to accomplish?

Our pipeline is highly reflective of our current business.

About 75% of our pipeline is based on logistics operations work and 25% approximately is IT related.

So -- and I see that continuing as we move forward.

However, what I do see is that, the bids that we're submitting in the facility and logistics business are much more heavily IT enabled, which will allow us to be much more competitive.

And as we've talked in the past, will help us drive margins in the future as well.

Okay.

And then in terms of LOGCAP and the K-BOSSS situation there.

It sounds like nothing will happen, an award won't happen till June, that's kind of at the earliest, that's assuming all stars line up realistically that it seems like with most recompetes and other things like that, seems to stretch out.

So you're probably fine for 2018.

But what -- how are you doing on the recompete side in terms of the K-BOSSS/LOGCAP?

And how do you feel like your position this time versus last time?

I think it's a great question, and we're very excited about both LOGCAP and our positioning for K-BOSSS.

We continue to operate at exceptionally high levels in K-BOSSS in Kuwait in general, I might add, and Middle East in general, I might add, I should say.

With regard to LOGCAP, LOGCAP IV did not include, what I'll call, the enduring missions i.e., the K-BOSSS' and Q-BOSS' of the portfolio, it will in LOGCAP V. So I really think this bolsters our position to win 1 of the 6 awards versus the prior 3 awards on LOGCAP V and that $82 billion of market is something we feel very, very positively positioned for.

(Operator Instructions) Our next question is from Ben Klieve with NOBLE Capital Markets.

Got a few questions here.

First regarding, APS-5, Matt, you said $63 million contributed this year.

As we look into our 2018 quarterly models here that $63 million would imply roughly $15 million to $20 million was included in the early part of the second quarter, is that a fair assessment?

Yes.

The second quarter has $12 million of APS.

$12 million to $63 million was in Q2.

Okay, perfect.

And then a pipeline question kind of building off of what you were just discussing here.

For the facilities and logistics pipeline that you described as more IT enabled.

I'm wondering if you're able to kind of quantify at all the level of the pipeline that's enhanced with technology solution that will help enhance your margins?

And how does that compare with kind of the -- with the same -- with your pipeline a year ago?

I mean, how was your pipeline shifted from, say, 12 to 18 months ago to today in terms of technology solutions on that -- in that business?

It's hard to put it on a percentage basis, but what I will say, our familiarity with how we can augment current manual processes that we support every day in our facilities and logistics business is improving.

So with each passing quarter, we are becoming much more capable and much more comfortable with augmenting what had been typically manual processes through pretty basic in some cases to, in some cases, pretty sophisticated technologies.

And you have to remember, Ben, that pipeline has been evolving over the last 12 months, so we're just starting to see that technology infusion into the pipeline.

So as we go through the coming quarters, that will get stronger and stronger.

Last point that I will make without over belaboring it, I suppose, is that what we're also seeing in that business is with our current contract base, our clients are asking us to be more innovative every day and find new and better ways to [solve for] our existing contract base.

Very good.

Kind of a last question I have, and it might be a little premature to ask.

But it sounds like you basically gave Sue Deagle her employee ID and had her hit the road.

And I'm wondering, if you can elaborate a bit on what she has helped you identify as holes in the existing growth strategy or any shifts that you're beginning to make?

How has she impacted your strategy thus far if you're able to identify any shift as of yet, given that it's...

So our strategy has come together in its entirety here early in 2017.

And what I see Sue and her team really focused on is extending the ecosystem that we can participate in.

Today, we are largely a prime contractor on major base facilities and select IT programs.

There are very important channels out there that we can leverage through alliances and other ways of configuring our services to go-to-market.

So I see an immediate impact quite frankly because now we have a focus on it from Sue's participation in the business and her team.

(Operator Instructions) Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session.

And I would like to turn the call back to Chuck Prow for closing remarks.

Thank you, David, and thank you for moderating the call today.

And thanks all of our participants for attending the call today.

I look forward to updating you on our performance following the third quarter of this year.

Thank you very much.

This concludes today's conference.

Thank you for your participation.

You may disconnect your lines at this time.