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  • Operator

  • Good day and welcome to the Vectrus, Inc.

  • fourth-quarter fiscal 2014 earnings conference call.

  • Today's conference is being recorded.

  • At this time I would like to turn the conference over to Mike Smith.

  • Please go ahead, sir.

  • Mike Smith - IR

  • Thank you, Eric.

  • Good morning, everyone.

  • Welcome to the Vectrus fourth-quarter earnings conference call.

  • Joining us today are Ken Hunzeker, Chief Executive Officer and President, and Matt Klein, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

  • Slides from today's presentation are available on our investor relations website, investors.vectrus.com.

  • Please turn to slide 2. During today's presentation management will be making forward-looking statements pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the federal securities laws.

  • Please review our safe Harbor statement in our press release for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from the results contemplated by these forward-looking statements.

  • We assume no obligation to update our forward-looking statements.

  • Also, we will be making reference to non-GAAP financial measures during this call.

  • We remind you that these non-GAAP financial measures are not a substitute for their comparable GAAP measures.

  • You can find the non-GAAP reconciliation and other disclosures in our earnings release and in our presentation slides which are publically available on the Vectrus website at investors.vectrus.com.

  • And at this time I would like to turn the call over to Ken Hunzeker.

  • Ken Hunzeker - CEO & President

  • Think you, Mike.

  • Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on the call today.

  • Today we are reporting fourth-quarter and full-year earnings results.

  • We are pleased to also note that this is our first full quarter as a separate company.

  • I would like to take a moment and thank our more than 5,000 employees who work safely and tirelessly in challenging environments across the globe to enable our customers' missions.

  • On March 27 it will be six months since we completed the spinoff from our former parent Exelis.

  • The spinoff provides three benefits: greater strategic focus and flexibility of management's efforts and resources, the ability to expand our addressable market, and finally direct access to capital resources.

  • Please turn to slide 3. During 2014 we recorded significant contract wins which added $975 million to backlog in the fourth quarter.

  • These wins are expected to add approximately $150 million in revenue during 2015.

  • This should help offset expected impacts of Afghanistan program reductions.

  • Reported backlog figures do not include our $411 million Thule airbase maintenance contract.

  • This is due to our approach of recording backlog once all protests are resolved.

  • The recent wins are expected to add over $200 million of annualized revenue once phase-ins are complete.

  • We are active in business development with over $1 billion of potential new bids submitted and pending award.

  • Our 2014 financial results for revenue, operating margin and earnings per share adjusted for separation costs and the TARS program, which was retained by Exelis, were in line with our expectations and we had a better-than-expected free cash flow.

  • Importantly, over the past two quarters we've seen a stabilization in our non-Afghanistan business which we refer to as our core business as DoD budgets and activity in the Middle East increases.

  • When I say stabilization I mean service-level de-scopes and equipment maintenance reductions we saw the last few years has slowed down providing a more predictable revenue flow.

  • With the onboarding of three new contracts where we see some fluctuations in revenue but the downward fluctuations that we've experienced in the programs we have had on contract are in fact stabilizing.

  • Please turn to slide 4. It remains to be seen what will happen with the fiscal-year 2016 defense budget requests which is about 8% higher than the enacted fiscal-year 2015 base budget.

  • However the 2016 budget plays out our business lines are not greatly affected.

  • Despite the sequestration that went into effect in fiscal-year 2013 not one employee in our organization was laid off or furloughed as a result.

  • Regardless of the budget outcome we believe we are well-positioned to continue to provide critical support to our customers.

  • Additionally, we believe our addressable market remains robust and offers significant opportunities for future revenue growth.

  • The US government procurement environment remains dynamic.

  • We are starting to see some movement in awards but protests are prevalent and take time to adjudicate.

  • In the last six months we have won two new contracts that were protested and subsequently decided in our favor which comes at a cost to our bottom line.

  • We are also the incumbent on three other contracts that have experienced protracted acquisition cycles due to multiple protests.

  • The delayed acquisition cycle can benefit the incumbent contractor but lengthens the new business cycle.

  • Finally, low price technically acceptable evaluation criteria is prevalent in our market.

  • We understand these dynamics and they are modeled in our planning and bidding processes.

  • Global threats persist and continue to challenge world order.

  • At present there are high tensions in the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

  • Our government remains committed to both regions including NATO, which is the strongest coalition in the world.

  • We're well-positioned in both regions and are able to support our government's customers with whatever decisions are made.

  • Expeditionary capability is and will continue to be a core strength for Vectrus.

  • Please turn to slide 5. Re-competes are critical with several contracts coming to their natural expiration in 2015.

  • These clearly are a critical focus for the management team.

  • We have excellent customer performance ratings and an in-depth operational and customer knowledge that positions us well for success here.

  • In addition to winning business, the successful phase-in of a contract is critical.

  • In the first year of a program margins can be lowered due to start-up costs associate with the Vectrus solution.

  • Our strength as a company is how we focus on operational excellence to ensure performance and profitability are maximized over the course of the contract lifecycle.

  • We have a long history of doing exactly that.

  • We have a solid foundation going into 2015 with $2.9 billion in backlog, approximately $800 million currently funded and over $1 billion of proposals submitted and pending award.

  • Additionally, new business will continue to be a high priority for Vectrus and we expect to submit proposals for an additional $3 billion in new pursuits through the course of 2015.

  • We are seeing pressure on our operating margins.

  • This pressure is due to a few things.

  • First, we are seeing reduced revenue in margins on our Afghanistan programs as the requirements continue to shift.

  • The good news is the rate of decline in revenue is expected to slow and operating margin is stabilizing.

  • Second, we are in the midst of phasing in three new contracts which I mentioned earlier.

  • We fully expect that once phased-in these contracts will be in line with our expectations to achieve our normalized margin range.

  • Third, the pricing environment has been challenging over the past several years and we witnessed firsthand its impacts to margin on several of our core contracts.

  • We are starting to see some contracts shift to best value from LPTA.

  • Our qualified pipeline contains a number of upcoming contracts that are anticipated to be awarded on the best value basis.

  • A recent success and example is ACE-IT, which is a fixed-price best value contract that we are now just bringing onboard.

  • Our existing contracts come up for re-compete and we expect the majority of the new contracts to have fixed-price elements which will allow us to exercise our continuous improvement program to increase margins over time.

  • But one caution here, our procurement cycle is a long one and these changes will take time but I can guarantee you that increasing our margins has all of our attention.

  • Leveraging our operational excellence and continuous improvement programs is critical to our plan.

  • The new contracts we are phasing in this year are mainly fixed-price with five to seven years of runway, which gives us sufficient time to execute our stated margin targets on these contracts.

  • On a positive note, the core business is expected to grow replacing the Afghanistan revenue declines.

  • Please turn to slide 6. We expect revenue from programs based in Afghanistan to continue to decline.

  • In 2014 we finished with $270 million in revenue, down nearly 50% compared to 2013.

  • Afghanistan program revenue in 2015 continues to come down as it is expected to contribute approximately $160 million.

  • We are pleased to announce that in 2015 our core business with the new wins is expected to grow approximately 10% compared to 2014.

  • This expected growth aligns with our strategy.

  • Air Force customer concentration moved from 5% in 2013 to 13% in total 2015 revenue.

  • Navy concentration move from 0 in 2013 to 2% in 2015 and we are becoming less concentrated in Army-based programs moving from 92% in 2013 to approximately 85% in 2015.

  • Also, 2015 geographic presence is broadening with US and Europe expanding by 5% and 7% respectively when compared to 2013.

  • We still have some work to do but are making good progress to our stated objectives.

  • As we move through the early stages of being a publicly traded company we are beginning to see success in our strategy of broadening our customer base and diversifying our geographic footprint.

  • Now I'd like to turn the call over to Matt and he will go through the details of the fourth-quarter, full-year performance and provide 2015 guidance.

  • Then we will open the line up for your questions.

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • Thank you, Ken.

  • Good morning, everyone.

  • Please turn to slide 7.

  • Today I will start with the review of the financial results for the fourth-quarter and full-year 2014.

  • Then I will provide guidance for 2015.

  • The financial results of Vectrus noted on slide 7 includes the Tethered Aerostat Radar Systems, TARS program, and separation costs required to become a standalone company.

  • The TARS program was retained by Exelis as part of the spin and separation costs are a nonrecurring cost to the business.

  • I will address the financial results on an adjusted basis, which we believe better reflect the ongoing business trends.

  • You can reference the appendix of this presentation for the reconciliation of our adjusted results to GAAP.

  • Please turn to slide 8. For the fourth quarter adjusted funded orders were $178 million.

  • Orders are slightly up compared to the fourth quarter of 2013 which is a reflection of timing of funded awards in our base business.

  • Adjusted revenue for the quarter was $286 million.

  • Afghanistan contracts contributed $51 million in the quarter and were down $43 million compared to the prior year's quarter.

  • While the base business grew by $12 million this demonstrates that our existing non-Afghanistan contracts are stabilizing and will provide a strong revenue base for 2015.

  • Fourth-quarter adjusted operating income was $8.6 million, or 3% operating margin, which is $17.2 million, or 520 basis points down when compared to the same period of 2013.

  • Afghanistan contracts contributed $3.2 million in the quarter and were down $16.8 million compared to the prior year.

  • This unfavorable variance is due to lower service-level requirements on Afghanistan contracts and was expected as we re-shape our contract portfolio.

  • The adjusted diluted earnings per share for the quarter was $0.33 per share compared to $1.58 per share in the fourth quarter of 2013 largely due to the mix of the business and to an increase of our fourth-quarter effective tax rate to 49.5% related to one-time catch-up items that I will discuss in more detail later.

  • Please turn to slide 9. Now I will turn to the financial results of the full-year 2014.

  • 2014 adjusted funded orders declined by $363 million from 2013 due to lower service requirements on Afghanistan and Middle East contracts.

  • Our $1.3 billion in orders represents a year-to-date book to bill of 1.1 times consistent with our 2014 guidance expectation of exceeding 1.0.

  • Adjusted revenue for 2014 was $1.172 billion, which is $303 million lower than prior year.

  • Afghanistan programs finished the year at $270 million, down $243 million due to US troop withdrawals.

  • Middle East programs were down $86 million as a result of base closures as the US government consolidated contracting activity and reduced maintenance requirements in theater.

  • These impacts were partially offset by an increased level of effort for domestic construction projects and full year of revenue on our Navy FSET contract.

  • 2014 adjusted operating income was $50 million or 4.3% operating margin down by $79 million.

  • Programs based in Afghanistan contributed $24 million, down $67.1 million compared to the prior year.

  • The 4.3% adjusted operating margin falls within our prior expectations.

  • Adjusted diluted earnings per share for the full-year 2014 was $2.80 per share compared to $7.92 per share when compared to 2013.

  • Free cash flow through year-to-date December was $39.1 million, which is stronger than originally expected due to solid funding on our contracts and a proactive collection process.

  • Cash balance was $42.8 million at year-end.

  • The free cash flow results benefited from earlier-than-anticipated collection which will have an impact on 2015 which I will discuss in a minute.

  • The effective tax rate for 2014 was 38.2%, an increase of 250 basis points from prior guidance.

  • The increase is attributed to discrete items including nondeductible spin cost and one-time impact of a change in our state deferred tax rate applied to our deferred tax liabilities as our mix of programs changes adding a greater domestic footprint.

  • We anticipate the 2015 effective rate will move back to 36%.

  • Please turn to slide 10.

  • For the year ending December 31, 2014, the total backlog was $2.9 billion with approximately $800 million funded.

  • During the quarter we recorded the ACE-IT and Turkey/Spain base maintenance contract in backlog.

  • The year-to-date total backlog excludes the Thule contract.

  • Although in February 2015 the GAO denied the protest filed by three unsuccessful competitors at least one of them has filed a subsequent protest with the Court of Federal Claims.

  • We are moving forward with the phase-in as directed by the customer and we expect to add Thule to backlog in the first quarter of 2015.

  • Total backlog represents firm orders and potential options on multiyear contracts excluding IDIQ contracts.

  • The 2014 backlog adjusted to include the Thule contract award would represent $3.3 billion.

  • Please turn to slide 11.

  • Regarding 2015, we expect the top line to stabilize.

  • Our core business is expected to grow 10% compared to 2014.

  • The 2015 guidance assumptions include an estimated 65% of revenue attributed to existing business, 21% attributed to re-competes and 14% to Afghanistan contracts.

  • We have incorporated the newly awarded contracts into our 2015 guidance.

  • However, due to the uncertainty around 2015 potential awards and the inevitable protest delaying the procurement cycle, we have not included revenue from new business associated with any proposals submitted and pending award.

  • Re-competes are our focus this year as several of our programs, K-BOSSS being our largest by revenue, and their contractual periods of performance.

  • If the procurement cycle remains on schedule, which is hard to predict, then these contracts will award in the latter part of 2015.

  • Our 2015 guidance contemplates the timing of these awards and we do not think there will be a material change to our range at this time.

  • The new wins are expected to generate approximately $150 million of partial-year revenue in 2015.

  • As these programs are fully phased-in we expect them to generate over $200 million of annualized revenue.

  • We will likely experience margin pressures as Afghanistan-based programs continue to decline and we complete the phase-in on our three contracts.

  • Phase-ins are the most critical time of a contract and if performed well set the programs up for long-term success.

  • Accordingly we have dedicated the resources and attention necessary for successful phase-ins.

  • A component of delivering both top-line growth and margin improvement is our commitment to operational excellence.

  • We will accomplish these improvements through a combination of ongoing Lean initiatives and process improvements coupled with the development of innovative approaches to program performance on both current and new bid programs.

  • The new business pipeline is strong with over $1 billion of proposals submitted pending potential award.

  • As we mentioned before, debt management will be a focus in 2015.

  • We have approximately $11 million of mandatory payments due and anticipate making additional accelerated payments in the range of $5 million to $10 million.

  • Equity-based compensation expense includes the impact of founders grants.

  • The 2015 impact of these equity awards is expected to be $2.4 million.

  • Interest expense is forecasted to be $6 million and the effective tax rate is expected to be 36%.

  • Please turn to slide 12.

  • For 2015 we are forecasting revenue from $1.1 billion to $1.2 billion including approximately $150 million attributed to the newly awarded contracts.

  • We expect to start recognizing revenue from the new contracts in the second half of 2015.

  • Adjusted operating margins are estimated to range from 3.2% to 3.6% adjusted for minimal spin cost in 2015.

  • For operational visibility purposes adjusted operating margins less nonrecurring founders grants will range from approximately 3.5% to 3.8%.

  • Free cash flow is estimated to range from $15 million to $19 million, which takes into account the impact of the favorable 2014 free cash flow results of $12 million from early collections.

  • Adding back the favorable 2014 cash collections our 2015 free cash flow conversion to net income exceeds 100% which is typical for our business.

  • The guidance for adjusted diluted earnings per share is estimated from $1.76 to $2.23 per share.

  • With that I would like to turn the call over to Ken for final remarks.

  • Ken Hunzeker - CEO & President

  • Thank you, Matt.

  • When I think about Vectrus and where we are I see a company in transition with a lot of history with work in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  • I see a company that has a vision to diversify its geographic and customer base and has shown the ability with new wins to start this process.

  • I see a company that is focused on growth with core business growing 10% this year.

  • I see a business that has seen pressures on margins but with tools and focus to turn this around with commitment from its leadership to get back to 4% in 2016.

  • I see a company that had a backlog of $2.2 billion to quarters ago that is projecting $3.3 billion with the onboarding of the latest win.

  • I see and continue to visit firsthand a dedicated workforce that is on vector to the future with the mission to be a trusted partner of choice, which is Vectrus.

  • Our future is bright and I am blessed to serve with this group of professionals whose goal is to deliver superior results every day.

  • Thank you for your questions, interests and attention today.

  • Now I would like to turn the call over for questions.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • (Operator Instructions) Brian Ruttenbur, CRT Capital.

  • Brian Ruttenbur - Analyst

  • Couple of questions, first of all good quarter.

  • The first question I have is about your Afghanistan business longer term.

  • You talk about where it's going to be in 2015.

  • Where do you anticipate it longer term, at a stabilized rate of $50 million a year or is there any kind of visibility beyond 2015?

  • Ken Hunzeker - CEO & President

  • That's a good question because we are paying a lot of attention to the discussion between our two governments.

  • President Ghani is coming into meet in the White House next week to figure out the way ahead is where that is going.

  • What we have modeled in our plan is exactly what has been announced by the administration and when talking to our customer on the ground under the three contracts we have there specifically and what the changes are.

  • And we stay tuned into that and that's what Matt and I have put into the forecast going forward.

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, I think when we project our Afghanistan revenue in 2015 at $160 million that's in line to what we have discussed even back in September so we are still seeing additional reductions.

  • I think if you see any upside going into the future you might see an elongation of our revenue stream past 2016 but we are still anticipating those revenue streams to come down slightly.

  • Brian Ruttenbur - Analyst

  • Very good.

  • Can you talk maybe, Matt, I don't know if it's Matt or Ken on this one but on your ramp of three new contracts and the costs associated with that those ramps?

  • And you should benefit I guess in 2016 from some tailwinds from not having those ramps, is that correct?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, so what is impacting 2015 as you have been watching is we won these awards in the fall of last year.

  • We've had a couple of programs protested which has delayed the onboarding of the contracts.

  • We're through that critical phase, so there is some cost associated with defending that, so that put some pressure on our fourth-quarter operating margin.

  • And also the timing of those contracts, as they phase in the second half of this year we've kind of run out of room to make sure everything is operational, the foundation is set and to kind of work the operational efficiencies that we expect to achieve.

  • So do expect 2016 to see some improvement on those programs.

  • So unfortunately in 2015 we drop below our normalized guidance of 4% to 5% but we are working actively to get back to 4% by 2016.

  • Brian Ruttenbur - Analyst

  • And it's primarily these three new contracts ramping that is the drag at least on the core?

  • I understand the Afghanistan dropping and the Founders' Grants, but it's these three new contracts ramping, is that correct?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • Yes.

  • The plan was, and the plan still is, is Afghanistan transitions out and it contributes more to our overall operating margins.

  • We get new programs, which we are very happy that we have won these awards and we are onboarding those.

  • They can replace some of that margin, so that's an element.

  • And then the re-competes that we talked about will also give us some new levers going forward that is more incentive-laced, a little bit more fixed-price based that we think that our margins will improve over time.

  • So those two elements, the new business and the re-compete structure, contractual structure, will help improve our margins.

  • Brian Ruttenbur - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then final question is on debt repayment.

  • You're talking about $16 million to $21 million of debt repayment and what you have to repay is $11 million but you are sitting on almost $43 million of cash.

  • Is there any incentive to accelerate that even further?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, so we took a very conservative deliberate approach in our first quarter.

  • We are developing policies and working closely with our Board and what to do with the additional cash -- capital allocation decisions.

  • This year, as we have announced before, we want to focus on our debt management and we're doing that.

  • We expect to accelerate that payment to give us more flexibility.

  • If the opportunity arises and we improve on our working capital collections we would contemplate additional debt payments but we would have to work that through our Board as well.

  • Brian Ruttenbur - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Bill Loomis, Stifel.

  • Bill Loomis - Analyst

  • Just looking at the margins again, so am I doing apples to apples, the 7% operating margin you have on the chart for Afghanistan contracts, that's kind of an all-in operating margin.

  • So when I take that out and I get the rest of the business at about 2.8% in 2015 at the midpoint, is that about right?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • Yes.

  • That's about right, Bill.

  • Bill Loomis - Analyst

  • And then you've got the Founders' Grant, which adds what 20, 30 basis points bring it up to 3.0, 3.1?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • I want to clarify one thing on the Founders' Grants.

  • I described it as nonrecurring so we have $2.4 million in 2015 related to Founders' Grants.

  • We have a couple more years of debt payment or Founders' Grants expense and it comes into about $800,000 in 2016 and $600,000 in 2017 and then it no longer appears in our structure, our cost structure.

  • Bill Loomis - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And I'm sorry what was the 2015 number for that?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • 2015 was $2.4 million.

  • So we had $1.2 million accelerated in the fourth quarter of 2014, $2.4 million in 2015, $800,000 in 2016 and $600,000 in 2017 and then we are done.

  • Bill Loomis - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • So just looking at the three contracts starting up, you said it is going to pressure so we will go from call it 3% adjusted without Afghanistan up to 4% in 2016 at the low end of your long-term target range.

  • But let's say you didn't have those three contracts starting up.

  • What would be that adjusted margin in 2015?

  • Would it be already in that 4% to 5% long-term range?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, so we are counting on our base programs coming up for re-compete having different levers to improve our operating margin.

  • But the existing contracts are in that 3% range and we have some opportunities to improve that.

  • 2014 was a busy year for us.

  • We are making some additional cost saving initiatives in 2015 that we should see some improvements which will help margins.

  • But the core business is really at 3% now with significant re-competes coming up in 2015 which will likely play on 2016 which will give us additional levers.

  • Ken Hunzeker - CEO & President

  • Bill, it's really a transition year for Vectrus regarding the margins.

  • And you see that with the onboarding of the three contracts and then basically the reset on the six contracts that we have coming up for re-compete.

  • Bill Loomis - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And in terms of the cost reductions you said it doesn't sound like there's going to be a lot in 2015?

  • Is most of that you already did in 2014 prior to the spinoff?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • So let me walk you back.

  • On the 10-K reported SG&A -- I'll start with SG&A -- SG&A of $80 million, roughly.

  • In that $80 million there's $13 million of spin cost, so you normalize that out to $67 million.

  • We had a voluntary reduction plan executed last year so we expect to realize additional savings into 2015.

  • It's already implemented.

  • And we've done a very nice job of managing our stand-alone costs as a public company.

  • So overall when you look at that $67 million SG&A benchmark for 2014 we expect to save about 8% to 10% on our G&A.

  • Those are our targets.

  • All the while balancing the requirement to phase in these contracts.

  • Many of our contracts require our G&A support to make sure that they are starting out on the right foundation.

  • So we are being very cautious to not overreact to make sure those programs get off on the right foot and then we will make decisions later in the year if we need to.

  • Bill Loomis - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then the re-competes, I know you already have them obviously so there is no start up but are you going to have an investment period early on in those contracts that will depress margins?

  • Because it doesn't sound it if they are going to help boost your margin to 4%?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • Typically re-competes do not have an investment because we are already on the contract.

  • You get the benefit of that, correct.

  • Bill Loomis - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then just to be clear on other opportunities outside of those re-competes, how are you seeing it now?

  • Because I heard you have some that are right now LPTA that you see going more towards best value, so we take out these re-competes which are going more to fix price will help you boost your margins, as you said.

  • Look at everything else, your new business in the pipeline, can you just tell me again where you see the pricing on those in terms of are they mostly fixed price and are they mostly LPTA?

  • Any color there?

  • Ken Hunzeker - CEO & President

  • Yes, Bill, specifically when you look at the mix that is coming in, as I said earlier you are seeing some LPTA movement over to best value.

  • And it all depends upon the nature of the work and where the customer is is whether it is going to be a fixed price or a cost plus.

  • As I look at the pipeline going forward it is a really healthy mix of a combination of both because you really want to have some cost plus which are some of the traditional contracts we have had.

  • But we are looking for more opportunities on the fixed price and best value.

  • So that's really the lens that I have had the team look at is going forward to see what we can look at in that arena.

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, just to give you some color, too, ACE-IT was best value, so we won on a best value contract.

  • And the other two contracts, Thule and Turkey/Spain had some sort of hybrid of LPTA.

  • So we are competing with both dynamics and we are winning in both.

  • Clearly I think we align well with best value.

  • So the more contracts that go best value the better because our performance is so strong, especially on contracts that we already have in our contract portfolio.

  • Bill Loomis - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • So excluding the three that you have won stuff and excluding your re-competes, would you characterize that mix of some fixed price in cost and LPTA best value in your 4% to 5% range, or are they below that?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • As far as the pipeline?

  • Bill Loomis - Analyst

  • Yes, if I could generally look at the pipeline excluding your re-competes coming up are they in that 4% to 5% long-term range?

  • Matt Klein - SVP & CFO

  • Directionally, yes.

  • But here is where we have to balance, you have to balance the price to win.

  • In our contracts what we are seeing is enough levers that give us opportunities to normalize out costs, achieve efficiencies through our operational excellence programs and then some of our contracts have cost-sharing parameters.

  • So if we can reduce costs as we go through the contract, the government, our customer shares in that savings and we also share in that savings.

  • So the dynamics of the contracts are getting much more incentive laced.

  • So yes, I would expect at a minimum that we would be in those 4% to 5% going forward.

  • Ken Hunzeker - CEO & President

  • Absolutely.

  • Bill Loomis - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Great.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • It appears there are no further questions at this time.

  • Mr. Hunzeker, I would like to turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

  • Ken Hunzeker - CEO & President

  • Well thank you for joining us on the call today.

  • As we discussed during our prepared remarks we are excited to be a new company.

  • The recent wins align directly to our strategy and help mitigate the declining Afghanistan revenue base and we look forward to a successful 2015.

  • Again, thank you to all our employees.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's call.

  • Thank you for your participation.