Vesta Real Estate Corporation SAB de CV (VTMX) 2016 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good morning. My name is Matt and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to Vesta's Third Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. Vesta issued its quarterly report on Wednesday October 26, 2016. If you did not receive a copy via e-mail, please do not hesitate to contact the Company at +52 55 5950-0070. Before we begin the call today, I'd like to remind you that forward-looking statements made during today's conference call do not account for future economic circumstances, industry conditions, Company performance and financial results.

These statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. All figures included herein were prepared in accordance with the IFRS and are stated in nominal US dollars unless otherwise noted. Joining us today from Vesta in Mexico City is Lorenzo Berho, Chief Executive Officer; Juan Sottil, the Chief Financial Officer and Iga Wolska, the Investor Relations Officer. I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Berho. Sir, please go ahead.

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for your interest in Vesta and for participating in today's conference call. Against the backdrop of rapid change, Vesta is executing an ambitious growth strategy as Mexico's foremost industrial real estate provider. We are strongly positioned to capitalize on the country's manufacturing expansion and our depth of experience enable us to anticipate client needs.

Our commitment to innovation was shown at Vesta's recent Board Meeting in Silicon Valley at a program designed to bring our last two years of INNOVESTING efforts to the next level. Exponential is a mindset, a choice that innovative and nimble companies like Vesta have made. We're already seeing strong results from systems we have introduced to accelerate the pace we process client proposals, a dynamic that will further drive Vesta's growth.

Mexico's main industries showed strong growth during the third quarter. In September, automotive sales rose to 18% to their highest volume ever. Almost two-thirds of foreign direct investment so far in 2016 has been directed to the manufacturing sector. Mexico also gained four places in world competitiveness rankings, as foreign companies continue to make it their manufacturing location of choice.

Vesta is an active participant in these dynamics, and leased over 930,000 square feet during the period. This brought our vacancy rate down to 9.7% from 12.2% previously. Overall our portfolio grew to 20.9 million square feet. These achievements against our Vesta Vision 20/20 strategic plan are underpinned by a robust development pipeline, unique for its high proportion of build-to-suit properties. This quarter, build-to-suit reached 48% of our pipeline, a record high, supported contracts such as one we signed in Aguascalientes of over 99,000 square feet for 10 years at an 11.4% cap rate.

We also signed an eight-year lease agreement with German automotive Saargummi Technologies, an existing tenant of the Company. In addition, Saargummi extended its existing contract for an additional five years, to 2023.

Critically, this trend translates into stronger GLA growth and continued FFO per share gains for all shareholders. We are continuously investing to ensure we maintain excellence in the development of industrial real estate, with an entrepreneurial team that generates innovative and sustainable solutions.

Vesta's solid financial results are a reflection of our continued success with a 14.2% rise in total rental income, to $65.9 million for the period. Net operating income grew over 14% to more than $63.7 million, and NOI margin fell slightly to 96.7%. EBITDA rose 15% to over $55 million. Funds from operation totaled $33.2 million in the nine months, up from $28.6 million previously, a rise of over 26%.

Looking ahead, we have a positive view of industrial market. Automakers continue to invest in bringing their suppliers to Mexico and Vesta is playing an active role in facilitating this demand. We are focused on refining our high-quality industrial portfolio and leveraging operational efficiencies. At Vesta, we are advanced on the path to being an exponential organization. One that is technologically smart, adaptive, and able to seize opportunities that translate into profitable growth. As always, we are committed to the ongoing execution of our Vesta Vision 20/20 plan to double the size of our Company by the year 2020, utilizing our expertise to fulfill demand for well-located, high-quality industrial facilities.

We appreciate your continued trust and support. Thank you. And I will now turn the microphone to Mr. Juan Sottil, our CFO.

Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us. This quarter, the quality of our portfolio and expertise of our team was demonstrated with another set of positive financial and operational results. We achieved double-digit growth in revenues and EBITDA while our vacancy rate fell and Vesta high ratio of our build-to-suit properties in our pipeline bodies bodes well for future profitability. Along with solid demand and sector fundamentals, these dynamics enable Vesta to remain a best-in-class provider of industrial real estate in Mexico. Most of our properties are located in markets with the most significant economic growth such as the Central Region, the Bajio and we remain focused on major manufacturing trade and logistic cost where clients require high-quality buildings for their specific industrial needs.

Vesta portfolio grew to 20.9 million square feet in the third quarter while occupancy trends were broadly stable on a same-store and stabilized basis. Overall, the vacancy rate fell to 9.7% from 12.2% a year early. During the quarter, we signed leases totaling 731,000 square feet with international companies across industry. The lease agreements we signed to develop our build-to-suit in our Aguascalientes contributed to the 48% of build-to-suit properties we have in our pipeline that will boost our future profitability. Regarding key financial metrics, revenue grew to 14.5% to over $22 million. Also the third quarter Vesta has already renewed 48% of leases due to expire in 2017 and we have 2.9 million square feet in buildings under construction. We expect these projects to contribute around $60 million to revenue once they are stabilized giving us confidence on the revenue outlook.

Third quarter the operating results, the share of rental income rose 50 basis points on a year-on-year due to a rise in maintenance cost and other expenses. Net operating income was 13.7% higher to $21.9 million as demand for our properties offset costs. NOI margin was 60 basis points lower to 96.2%. EBITDA grew 13.2% to $19 million, while EBITDA margin fell 100 basis points to 83.4% from the previous year's third quarter. Total comprehensive income was $16.5 million, up from a loss in the prior year due mainly to a gain in the revaluation of investment properties. Funds from operations rose nearly 33% to $14.4 million.

Turning to our balance sheet, cash and cash equivalents were $92.2 million. Operating activities generated cash flow of $63 million. Investing activities were focused on payments for construction work and progress on buildings in Bajio, Ciudad Juarez, Tijuana and Central region. Total investments were $31 million for the quarter. Financing agreements, which we signed earlier this year, have ensured our cost of debt remains low and Vesta maintains a robust and efficient balance sheet as we enable us to fulfill our ambition for aggressive and sustained level growth. At the quarter close, we had an overall debt balance of $340 million, all of which is related to long-term liabilities. All our debt remains denominated in US dollars as we get comfortably address any common activities. As a Mexico preeminent industrial real estate company, we have a strong balance sheet and a robust pipeline to support our ambitious growth plan. We are committed to generate sustainable growth over the long term for all the stakeholders and fulfilling the goals of our debt Vesta Vision 20/20 plan. We'll look for the period ahead with confidence and will continue to deliver our growth promise. Thank you very much and I will open the floor for questions.

At this time if you like -- if somebody likes to ask a question can you pass it through please?

Sure. At this time we will be conducting the question-and-answer session. Enrico Trotta, Itau BBA.

Good morning, all. Thanks for the presentation. I have two questions. The first question regarding the BTS projects, we see that a proportion of BTS project has been increasing inside the Company's pipeline of Greenfield. When you look at 20/20 vision plan, what should we expect in terms of proportion of BTS projects ahead? Should we expect a new BTS against the inventory buildings that you have been announcing? So I'd like to understand how the new BTS should be as a proportion of the 20/20 vision plan.

And the second question, I think again, vacancy rates show a big improvement on a quarterly basis in all regions, especially in the Bajio. I would like to understand your expectations for vacancy rates ahead. And what about prices, are we decreasing prices to keep this level of vacancy rates or are you sustaining the prices that you have inside the portfolio? That's it from my side. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much, Enrico. Thank you for being here today. I would like to try to address both questions or three questions. The first one related with the proportions. As you have seen, we have had 48% of our build-to-suits this year and we have always planned to have a good balance in terms of build-to-suits and inventory buildings. Inventory buildings required smart intelligence of the market. So we have the product ready to go to plug and play when the companies are nominated or decide to establish operations in one site. So, it's important to have the right product, the right size, the right quality in the right market. On the other hand, Vesta's skills for development has every time been gaining and gaining credibility, and that's exactly what the companies are happy to have and they talk very much to each other.

So that's why it's not a surprise to have these increasing pipeline in build-to-suits. But, if you wanted to foresee the future, really it all depends when you take the picture. I would say that considering 40% of build-to-suit going forward is a pretty good range, going to 48% or 50% which we have today is even better, but 40% for build-to-suits would be fine.

The other question related to the vacancy rates, yes, just as you described, we can see the activity in the markets and we have been closing deals. I mean 900,000 square feet just during this quarter is a great example of what we are doing.

We have also been renewing the 2017 leases. So this shows activity. And in this regard, let me tell you a couple of examples of this. We have closed one of them being in Toluca. We have been able to increase substantially the price because for some reason there were lower for many years and we are able to replace those tenants with better rates. But mostly, I would say, they are either flat or with an increase of CPI. That's what we have seen the rents in pricing.

(Operator Instructions) Javier Gayol, GBM.

Hi, Lorenzo, Juan, thank you for the call. I have two questions. The first one would be regarding the projects that enter development this quarter that, if I am correct, are located in Guanajuato, in the Puerto Interior. I want to check if that's correct. And also I want to understand the strategy on that market. As we can see on your information, one of those inventory buildings has been vacant throughout almost the whole year. And I want to understand why are you guys going into development of two new projects on that same area without leasing the first one first and just to understand the strategy on that market and what are you guys seeing there.

And the second question is regarding the strong pipeline that you guys are expected to deliver in the next four or five months. Could you tell us how are things going on that side on the month that has already passed? And if there is a case that you guys expect the vacancy to drop because of this large increment in GLA? Thank you.

Thank you very much, Javier. And let me walk you a little bit through that. I think that you are right there is 2.9 million square feet that we have been developing and shows that how strong we have been in development in all markets. And as you can see, as we just talk about this 48% of that are build-to-suits. So looking ahead, you can see the dates in which they are going to be terminated. And you look how many of those are build-to-suits like the Safran deal which is going to start paying rent in March next year or the TPI II which also will be ending in February of next year. All those big projects are the ones exactly at the top, they represent the build-to-suit that we will be delivering and they will be producing rents.

Now to inventory, it's important. First of all, some of the companies sometimes are anticipating that what we expected, like Daimler in Aguascalientes they have been very active in the nominations. And we feel the process, sometimes the negotiations take some time, but we know that several of those companies are being nominated. The one, the build-to-suit step-up that we closed in Aguascalientes shows how they are active in terms of build-to-suit and denomination in Aguascalientes. And then in some places like (inaudible) the dynamics that requires a park we always like to have a finished product which partially has been leased. And then, we are starting to working in other inventory, because we know that in that particular region, the trends of strong demand is there. And whenever they are leased, we'll be announcing that. But we will not be building another inventory buildings until these keep moving at the pace that we require.

What would be a surprise would be just to have other build-to-suits in the same park that would not increase the risk of inventory space in the same region. So I would say that those are basically the comments. And in the next quarter -- as you were able to, we reduced to a little over 9% our vacancy rate of the total portfolio, but of course, you can see the same-store measures and you can see how the portfolio is increasing in terms of size. And of course, sometimes it is just a matter of suddenly when you close the deal, that could either increase a little bit one or two points or stay at the 9% levels.

So that really all depends on when you take the picture. For company that develops and develops through the same entity usually have some movement in the terms of the ratio at the time that you take the picture. But this is what our Board and our investment committee with a lot of discipline considers the right path in terms of having growing quality buildings in strategic regions and having some inventory buildings for the companies that do not have time and need to plug and play very easily.

Marimar Torreblanca, UBS.

Thanks for the call. I have a brief question. Was there any change in your FFO calculation this quarter because the conversion from EBITDA to FFO was surprisingly high for us. So I was wondering if there was something in particular in the quarter or was there a change in the calculation methodology or what should we expect going forward as far as your FFO line?

Marimar, thank you for the question. Let me address it. No, we didn't change the methodology. In our supplemental package we furnished the methodology that we follow, which closely follows NAREIT recommendations. So we provide you with a tie in between FFO and between net income, total comprehensive income and FFO. So, we haven't changed the methodology. Let me try to address specifically why FFO is shooting up. Basically there are several propositions, we believe that FFO will begin to grow substantially for the quarters to follow. The most salient increase of FFO, of course, comes from the reduction of interest rates. As you know, we renegotiated the best. Our prior interest rate average for the Company was somewhere around 7%. And today we we're ahead of -- lower than 4% if we were to swap the debt into fit. Now we haven't done that swap. So our effective interest rate is just LIBOR plus 200 plus basis points. So that kind of explains the high increase. Also bear in mind that the increase only was effective for two or the three months of the quarter. So there are some more tweaks that we are going to get in the future.

So that specifically is in terms of the biggest impact because of the debt costs. There were other things that also had bearing on the increase in FFO which is -- remember that the index that we are -- basically high leverage, highly company operational leverage. Our costs are well controlled, like tightly controlled and increasing revenues are directly go to the bottom-line and in particularly to FFO. So that's another source of the high increase.

Also remind yourself that -- just remind ourselves that our costs, our administrative costs are based in pesos. And this quarter as the peso continued two slide against the dollar our administrative cost shrink a little bit. So that also provided a boost to have FFO. These element, of course, is temporary. We do not base our value proposition on FX fluctuations. But rather we do it on very strict cost controls and that's how we view it. I don't know if I made sense against your worksheet calculations.

Yes. This is very helpful. I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Alan Macias, Merrill Lynch.

Good morning everyone and thank you for the call. Just two questions. Back on the development pipeline, I guess you have five inventory buildings being completed this quarter and three build-to-suits. If you can give us more detail on if you have finished the construction of these -- of some of these buildings already, and if you can just provide us on any pre-leasing details on these buildings? And the second question is any time frame for using the derivatives in your debt? And what do you estimate the cost of debt would go up once you convert from variable to fixed interest? Thank you.

Let me address first the debt question. Now, we do not have derivatives on the Company at the moment in time. On the debt side, we basically have close to $350 million debt, out of which $150 million are based on the floating rate basis. We haven't fixed the rate, the intention of the Company is at some point in time to swap that into fix. And yes, at that moment in time we would probably do a float to fix swap for -- not for the five years of the debt, but probably for two years, somewhere in that neighborhood. But at the moment we keep it on a floated rate basis. We will swap it sometime within the next couple of months.

On the development pipeline, the build-to-suit and inventory building, there is a table in the development pipelines in supplemental package that tells you the percentage of completion that the buildings have. Most of the buildings are progressing according to plan. Bear in mind that inventory building usually takes us six months to build. Build-to-suits because of the complexity of our requirements to the clients may take a little bit longer. For example -- the one example of that would be, the SNECMA, the SNECMA building or the TPI building. But again that's the nature of the building. When a client requires a very specific TI, it would take one month, 45 days longer. That's about it where the building progression is according to plan.

Also, if you take a look in the supplemental package in page number 14, you will see our progress in leasing the buildings. There is a column called percentage of leased buildings and there you can keep track of how we are leasing buildings in construction which is key. If we are very good in doing this, we really want to diminish the development risk that the Company bears competitors. So for example, in building that we call PIQ-PIQSA 11, which is in the Queretaro industrial park, we have -- the building is due to completion this month. In fact, it was delivered sometime during October. But regardless of that, we have already leased close to 43% of the area to various costumers.

Another example would be the building in San Miguel industrial park which also delivered to us during October and we have a 33% leased building. So that is an important feature, bear in mind that we call them inventory buildings and not a spec. Because, we really believe that if you do it with intelligence and local knowledge, we can begin leasing the buildings even before we finalize the product and these are two examples of how we do that.

Once the buildings are delivered, they will show up in the lease-up properties on page 11 of the supplemental package. And in that page, on the lease up properties portfolio, we continue to tell you what is the percent of lease up that we have.

So for example for (inaudible) which is an inventory building in the (inaudible) has a 40% lease percentage per yearly. If that percentage were to reach a substantial amount, more than 80%, we will put it on the stabilized portfolio and you could see an example of that. This (inaudible) building which was the leader part of lease-up portfolio last quarter had -- is 100% leased and we move it to the stabilized portfolio as per the rules that NAREIT has defined in how to treat this portfolio. So that way as a reader of our report, you can keep track of how much development risk we have on the balance sheet.

So, today we have the development portfolio which will come and will pop up as finalized products at some point in time, the rates are there for you to review, but our development risk of delivered properties is around 1 million square feet and 146,000 square feet, which is a rather low number. And when you see a low number on the lease up properties, we will grow more aggressively by developing more inventory buildings which is what we control. If that number were to be very high, 3 million square feet lease-up property portfolio and if the percentage of lease-up is very low, the Company will be more conservative in initiating more construction. And this is the purpose of this reporting methodology for you to assess what is the growth path and the growth rate of business.

I would also like to ask that, when you check about the termination dates of the pipeline all of them are in time. Remember that we have a very disciplined ISO 9000 procedures to do the bidding process and to control the projects. And we are very keen in making sure that these are delivered on time. If you see the progress percentages, that's economic percentage, those are payments which have been already paid but some of them you think might show October 2016, all of them have been finished in the segment that we have established here. So that's what you should expect and have that and you see how important this is just to keep. And we understand that having clients that have processes like just in time or just in sequence and then not delivering on time, it is not an option for us. That's going to build our credibility and that's what we take a lot of care. This week we had a -- today, we had the full board of Safran visiting Queretaro, the project that shown to be finished by February 17 in which they will make the blades for the most important engine in the world to be replaced. And that, that's the kind of things that we are doing.

Great, thank you.

You're welcome.

Cecilia Jimenez, Santander.

Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the results. As a follow-up on the development pipeline, could you give us some color regarding the potential tenants of those developments. What I am trying to see is whether a firm sideline equivalent breakdown that you have today from roughly 42% exposure to automotive sector potentially increase or decrease versus the other areas of the portfolio. Thanks.

Sure. Ceci. Thank you. Thank you for being on the call and thank you for your question. First of all let me tell you of course we cannot share things that are not closed, especially since Guillermo Diaz joins as part of -- being our new CFO in the Company -- CIO in the Company, sorry, we have not seen a stronger pipeline ever in the history of Vesta. So that shows a little bit of how much internal work we need to do. That's why, as I expressed in my letter, we have been working even in reducing our internal time to deliver pricing and solutions to the clients when we are negotiating the deals. And that is something that internally and operationally is much more effective and has been a good news inside the Company.

Now, on the other hand, I don't any evidence of a change in the percentage of share of industries that we have today. Remember that 50% to 60% of our growth comes from existing clients. So, sometimes when client of aerospace industry may have, for example, Safran may be considering growing different plants which they have announced, they had a meeting with the President and we will be bidding for those. If that happens, of course, probably temporary, the aerospace sector could increase in percent of share. If the automotive keep rolling the way we see the pipeline, this would be basically keeping the 40% of share that the automatic sector has. Logistics in general terms, internal consumption has been good and companies that we have in our portfolio are also having the needs to grow as demand is needed. So, I would say that in general terms, looking forward, I don't see any specific change in the percentage of industries that we have today in our portfolio, Ceci.

Thanks Lorenzo. And then a second question is regarding competition, where you see competitors acting more aggressively, is it price, is it, I don't know quickness in delivering, what is it where you seeing the most fierce competition?

Thank you, Ceci. And that is also a very good question. Let me tell you, there is competition all over and that's good for the sector. I mean, competition makes us better every time and keeps us busy in just -- that's one of the reasons that we are here today in Palo Alto. Let me share with you that we brought full our Board and top management to the Singularity University to take a seminar and educational program about how to become an exponential organization which is one of the -- probably the best place in the world to learn about this. So we took that time to do it. And that's how we want to keep differentiating ourselves from our competitors. But that's an ongoing process and I just wanted to share that with you.

Now we see competition all over and we have most of the competitors that we see are basically local competitors. The Fibras and all that they mostly acquire properties and they are -- some of them concentrated in the very large markets and you know that we are in 13 different states and we are very, very keen to follow through and keep growing with our clients. So these local competitors who are very good competitors and if they have, for example, land that we do not have, they may have an advantage on that. But in terms of construction time, I don't think that no one is as efficient as we do with the quality that we have. And that's something that we are very happy.

I don't think that I fully answered Javier question regarding one of the buildings. And I want to relate this with your question, Ceci. There are sometimes that we face competition and we have had some competitors that may have lower quality and probably they want to accept to give lower pricing in pesos. And in that regard, sometimes we prefer to wait for the best quality, multi-national that requires our product and the quality of our product and is willing to pay in dollars. So that's why sometimes it's a rather a kind of holding on instead of just being desperate to close one of these leases at any price or in any currency. We want to keep also the quality of portfolio that we have developed. That's what we have understood that our investors like. And basically keeping with their returns and with spreads that we can give by developing internally and giving the full scope of the spread and the value to our shareholders.

Perfect. Thanks, Lorenzo.

Thank you, Ceci.

[Mark Demer, Credit Suisse].

This is actually Omar Rodriguez. Just a quick question on, I know that the proportion of revenues in US dollars decreased a little bit year-on-year. So I was just wondering if you could give us an update on how does the lease contracts denomination matches the tenant revenues currently? So, for instance, how does that 82.5% of dollar denominated rents matches against the tenants that are currently paying pesos and have dollar revenues or the other way around? Thank you.

Thank you for the question. Look, basically we base that -- we are very careful and we go through a very thorough credit analysis on the leases that we sign. And obviously one important question that we see when we do this process is if our clients can afford the rates, the lease and in what position can they -- do they have regarding currency situation. In that regard, there is very few -- most of our clients have dollar leases, are export denominated clients and we perceive that they have closely matched between dollar revenues or dollar index revenues, so to speak, and dollar leases. Some of them are export oriented companies, car manufacturers for example. Some of them are export oriented companies through the supply contracts they have signed with car manufacturers. Now there are sections to this and in those cases we carefully look at the company and their ability to pay. Let me give you one salient example.

Bonafont is one of our best customers in the Toluca region.

Danone.

Bonafont -- Danone -- Bonafont houses in our facility, water, bottled water for domestic distribution. It is one of our premium logistic operations we have in the central region. Their rent is in dollars. Obviously if they hold this water to be sold in Mexico the revenue stream is in pesos. So that's one example of a client that has a mismatch. Now when we analyze the (inaudible) ability to pay we feel very comfortable. If that situation were to be repeated on a logistic operation of a smaller company, we will be very careful to sign the lease and we will, if we were to sign it, we will require additional protection, usually performance bond or something to that effect. We are very disciplined in credit considerations. And we rather say no to a potential client if we believe that the capacity of payment is in question.

Ivan Enriquez, HSBC.

Congratulations again and thanks for the call. My question is more like strategic and industry oriented and forward-looking. It has to do with one of your projects, the phase two of the Nissan project that you have. I would like to know if you can share with us how the construction of that plant is developing from your perspective. And if you have started to see some demand coming from this project or where can we expect to start seeing some demand from here? And if you know where -- when that plant would be -- is expected to be ready (inaudible). Thank you.

Thank you very much, Ivan. It's good to have you in the call. Well, talking about Aguascalientes, we will know that first of all, we knew since the beginning that this was going to be the A2 which is Aguascalientes 2 plant for Nissan, was the fastest ever plant developed by Nissan in 18 months. And the park -- the supplies park, the DSP which means that synchroni park -- because it seems a synchronization with the plant is strategically for them and for us. As we have been keeping on developing and as we are just announcing it still grows at the pace of Nissan. What we are not sure whenever we invested in the region was when -- and the potential alliance that Daimler did with Nissan for the COMPAS project. And the COMPAS project is a project that is being developed, is huge. There is two -- interesting is to see the two cultures mixing the plants, the Japanese and the Germans. We all know the kind of quality of automakers they both are. And Daimler is the one that has been working even faster in terms of preparing their supplier base.

We have been a couple of times in Germany working very close with them in the suppliers base and that's why we announced the acquisition of the 80 hectares just across the road in order to increase the base of available GLA for future projects. And that's the one that we have been, of course, developing from the scratch, a complete new land requires some buying from different owners, getting the permits ready and preparing all that. In fact (inaudible) regional impact, all that has been very fast being done. And very shortly we will announce, very shortly I'm talking about weeks, we will have the groundbreaking ceremony which we are currently expecting to have the confirmation of the date. But this will be done with the former governor who will be only a few weeks more governor. And that's what we -- that's just the groundbreaking ceremony. But we are working already with potential tenants as part of our pipeline.

I'd now like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Berho for any closing comments.

Thank you very much for participating in Vesta's third quarter 2016 conference call. We look forward to speaking with you again when we release our second quarter -- our last quarter results for this year. And if you have any question in the meantime, as we always do, please do not hesitate to contact our Investor Relations department. Thank you very much and have a great day.

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