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  • Operator

  • Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to today's Vera Bradley fiscal 2013 fourth quarter and full-year results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be provided at that time for you to queue up for questions. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Paul Blair of Vera Bradley's Investor Relations Department. Please go ahead.

  • Paul Blair - IR

  • Thank you, Cameron. Good afternoon, and welcome. We would like to thank you for joining us this afternoon for Vera Bradley's fiscal 2013 fourth quarter and full-year results conference call.

  • Some of the statements made on the conference call during our prepared remarks and in response to your questions may constitute forward-looking statements made pursuant to and within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. Such forward-looking statements are subject to both known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those that we expect. Please refer to today's press release and the Company's Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended January 28, 2012 filed with the SEC, for a discussion of known risks and uncertainties. Investors should not assume that the statements made during the call will remain operative at a later time. The Company undertakes no obligation to update any information discussed on the call.

  • Please note that the results for the fourth quarter and fiscal year ending February 2, 2013 include 14 and 53 weeks respectively, while the same period in fiscal 2012 includes 13 and 52 weeks, respectively. All discussions of comparable sales are calculated based on an equivalent number of weeks for each period, 13 weeks versus the comparable 13-week period for the fourth quarter and 52 weeks versus 52 weeks for the fiscal year. Our guidance for fiscal 2014 compares a 52 week year to a 53 week year for fiscal 2013.

  • We understand that this is a busy period for reporting, and intend to keep today's call to an hour in length. Therefore, during our question and answer session, we ask that participants pose one question with one follow-up to allow as many callers as possible the opportunity to take part in today's call. I will now turn the call over to Vera Bradley's CEO, Mike Ray.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Thank you, Paul. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. With me are Kevin Sierks, our interim Chief Financial Officer, and Roddy Mann, our Executive Vice President of Strategy and Business Development. Today we will focus on the highlights of our fiscal 2013 full year and fourth quarter performance, as well as our outlook for fiscal 2014 first quarter and full year. We celebrated our 30th anniversary this past year. For three decades, we have connected with millions of woman through color, fun and functionality. In fiscal 2013, we strengthened the friendships we have built over time and created many new ones.

  • Notably, we successfully opened 20 new full price and outlet stores in both current and new markets. For the fourth consecutive year, Gitfbeat, a monthly trade publication that tracks trends in the gift industry selected Vera Bradley as vendor of the year. We added over 2 million new customers to our growing database of advocates. Nearly 62 million people visited VeraBradley.com, a 45% increase over the prior year. We are proud that we consistently rank among the top in number of annual website visits, compared to our most closely-related peer companies.

  • Our Facebook fan base grew nearly 1.4 million. We continue to invest in the teams and processes that brought compelling new patterns and styles to market through an improved launch cadence, particularly highlighted by our back to campus and holiday launches. Our distribution center expansion was completed, doubling our capacity to 400,000 square feet to better serve our customer base, and we continue to build upon our market entry efforts in Japan through new shop-in-shops and department store distribution throughout Tokyo.

  • These efforts contributed to our strong financial performance this past fiscal year, which met or exceeded many of our goals despite a challenging consumer and economic environment. For fiscal 2013, we grew consolidated net revenues by 17% with growth across all of our sales channels, drove 30% growth in direct segment net revenues, and 18% in e-commerce, increased indirect segment net revenues by 6%, and delivered earnings per share of $1.70, an increase of 19% over the prior year. We ended the fourth quarter with sales that were above expectations, driven by performance in the indirect segment and the outlet store channel. As a result, net revenues grew by 21% which exceeded our January guidance.

  • In the direct segment, net revenues increased 27% during the quarter. Comparable store sales decreased 0.4%, mainly due to reduced traffic in our stores. This reflects our decision to maintain our originally planned promotional cadence and offerings within our full price stores for the holiday period, despite challenging consumer conditions and what we believe was a highly promotional retail environment.

  • Visits to VeraBradley.com were up over 40% for the quarter, contributing to e-commerce net revenue growth of 23%, which highlights the benefits and importance of our multichannel distribution model. The indirect segment finished the quarter with 11% growth over the prior year, due to a strong sell-in of the winter collection and the addition of Dillard's locations. Further, we shipped approximately $2.8 million in sales that we anticipated would be received by our retail partners in the first quarter of fiscal 2014. Over the course of the past year, we have developed initiatives to support several strategies that we expect will build upon the solid foundation of growth we have established over 30 years.

  • Looking forward, we believe these initiatives will allow us to enhance the shopping experience across channels, and are designed to optimize our long-term growth and profitability. First, we believe that shifting to a more full-priced presentation online will benefit our brand, retail partners and financial performance. In fiscal 2013, we focused on the depth of our discounts, while maintaining the cadence of our promotional activity. The next phase in this evolution will be to turn our attention to enhancing the experience for full price shopping at VeraBradley.com. In fiscal 2014, this will involve solidifying the foundation by filling key positions and investing in technology. In addition, we will be evaluating enhancements to the user experience, social media strategies and e-mail marketing to understand how quickly we might evolve, while being mindful of the competitive dynamics of the marketplace.

  • Our specialty channel has long-standing meaning for the brand in our customers' minds. Our brand's purpose has generously manifested through many of our specialty retail partners, customer connections and distinctive merchandise offerings. Yet we are mindful that some inconsistencies in brand presentation and business execution exist within the channel. This year we will map out a multiyear plan to remediate certain distribution accounts that have a negative impact on our brand and on the performance of the segment. At the same time, we will continue to work with our specialty retail partners to grow their business further, enhancing the long-term productivity and profitability of that channel. We don't expect our remediation efforts to have a significant impact on our financial performance in the current year.

  • After extensive analysis, we believe that the number of new patterns we introduce annually diminishes the strength of the overall assortment, and presents a challenge for our specialty retail partners. In fiscal 2014, we expect to make 15 new patterns available for the indirect segment, compared to 17 last year. We expect this may impact our seasonal sell-in performance during the year, and unfavorably impact current year sales. However, we are confident it will help to right-size the assortment for the indirect segment, allowing for a more consistent flow of product through their stores, and will provide longer term benefits and healthier reorder levels in the years to come.

  • We are actively working to refine the visual presentation of our merchandise in our full price stores. This remerchandising effort should make our core styles more easily accessible to our customers, reduce the amount of merchandise on the selling floor, and provide better cross-selling opportunities to our sales associates. We have piloted this approach, and experienced positive results. We will be rolling out similar changes to approximately one-third of our full price stores in the first quarter. What we learn from this initial roll-out will help us define changes that we expect to implement in additional stores during the balance of the year. In addition, we can leverage our learnings to help our specialty retail partners more productively merchandise the brand in their stores.

  • Our experience in Japan over the past few years has proven to us that not only is there a customer in that market, but her passion for the brand mirrors that of our customer in the US. We believe we are at the point in our market building efforts where we can now turn our attention towards establishing a business model focused on long-term profitability. We will be exploring options during fiscal 2014 to further capitalize on our market expertise and the excitement around our brand.

  • I am excited to announce that Bonita Inza has joined Vera Bradley as our Executive Vice President of Sales and Marketing. The addition of Bonita to our team will help us execute our growth plans not only through product connections, but through those based on customer experiences and relationships, something intrinsically rooted in the strength of our brand. Bonita has 30 years of retail experience in senior leadership roles, notably with William Sonoma, Bath and Body Works and T-Mobile. With a strong and diverse background, we are certain that Bonita will hit the ground running and make meaningful contributions in short order.

  • Turning to the first quarter, we continue to be impacted by a weak consumer environment and elevated price competition. However, we believe we will be able to manage through these challenges. In our direct channels, we continue to focus on day-to-day execution, as well as a number of store levels initiatives. In our indirect segment, our specialty retail partners have responded cautiously, through lower than expected levels of purchasing, particularly for the buy-in of the summer collection launching next week. Following the launch, we will be working with our specialty retail partners to replenish their assortments.

  • We believe our cost structure this year should reflect the headwinds we are facing. Therefore, we will manage the business considering the impact we anticipate in revenues, while preserving our ability to realize our long-term objectives. Kevin will provide the specifics of our guidance in a few minutes. We continue to focus on improving the productivity of our core merchandise categories, and are confident with our line-up of patterns and styles for the year. In addition, we have some exciting new product launches this year.

  • We will continue -- we will introduce our new baby line tomorrow, across our full price distribution channels including select specialty retailers and Dillard's locations. This exciting new category will be available in two patterns across a variety of infant apparel and accessory items. We are also excited about a partnership with Disney with two character-inspired patterns launching in Disney theme parks starting in the third quarter. When Disney Parks announced our partnership on their blog this past week, it received 35,000 likes in only a few hours, which we believe was one of their strongest responses to date. We launched monogramming on February 21. While we realize there are significant opportunities for us to grow through personalization and customization, this is a compelling first step in enhancing our customer connections.

  • Looking back, we are very proud of our accomplishments. Looking forward, we are confident that we are making the right strategic investments in our future, while taking advantage of great opportunities to support our long-term growth objectives. I look forward to updating you on our progress as we continue to realize our mission of being a girl's best friend. I will now turn the call over to Kevin Sierks, our interim Chief Financial Officer, who will provide additional details regarding our fourth quarter and full-year financial results, as well as guidance for our fiscal 2014 first quarter and full year.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Thanks, Mike, and good afternoon. I will begin my remarks with a review of our fiscal 2013 results, and then provide you with our outlook for fiscal 2014 first quarter and full year. As Mike mentioned, we are very pleased with our financial performance and other accomplishments during fiscal 2013. Throughout the year, we delivered a strong top line while continuing to make key strategic investments that support our current and future growth. This included the opening of 20 new stores, and the completion of our distribution center expansion, doubling our capacity and providing improved operating efficiencies. These efforts supported fiscal 2013 net revenue growth of 17%, and net income growth of 19%. Net revenues for the fourth quarter increased 21% to $162.6 million, from $134.5 million in the prior year. This exceeded our updated guidance, and was primarily due to performance in the indirect segment and the outlet channel.

  • In the indirect segment, as Mike mentioned, we shipped approximately $2.8 million in sales that we had anticipated would be received by our retail partners in the first quarter, but arrived in the fourth quarter. In the direct segment, net revenues increased 27% to $103 million, driven by growth in all of our channels. The direct segment accounted for 64% of total net revenues in the fourth quarter, compared to 60% in the prior year. The increase in direct segment revenues resulted from the opening of 20 new stores in the fiscal year. We ended fiscal 2013 with 65 full price and 11 outlet stores. Comparable store sales decreased 0.4%, compared to an increase of 9.3% in the fourth quarter of last year. Our store performance reflects our decision to hold discounting to planned levels in full price stores during the holiday season.

  • E-commerce net revenues increased $9.7 million or 23%, and represented 32% of total net revenues during the fourth quarter, primarily due to continued growth in website traffic. In addition, we experienced favorable gross margins due to reduced shipping expenses. Indirect net revenues increased 11% to $59 million which was above our expectations. This increase was driven by the strong sell-in of our winter assortment, in addition to the $2.8 million we expected our retailers to receive in the first quarter. We continue to build on our positive momentum at Dillard's, and are now in all 284 locations as of the launch of the spring assortment in the fourth quarter. Our success in the department store channel also helped contribute to the year-over-year improvement in the indirect segment. This demonstrates the importance of this partnership and channel to our customers.

  • Gross profit for the fourth quarter increased 24% to $94.1 million, resulting in a gross margin of 57.9%, compared to 56.4% in the prior year. The increase in gross margin was due to operational efficiencies, lower freight costs, and channel mix. Total SG&A expense was $55.8 million for the fourth quarter, compared to $45 million in the prior year. SG&A as a percentage of net revenues was unfavorable by 90 basis points versus the prior year, primarily due to employee-related expenses and costs to support the launch of Vera Bradley Baby. The resulting operating income for the fourth quarter increased 22% to $40 million or 24.6% of net revenues, compared to $32.7 million or 24.3% of net revenues in the prior year. Operating income in our direct segment increased by 22% to $35.7 million, with operating margin of 34.5% compared to 35.9% last year. Operating income in our indirect segment increased by 20% to $24.7 million, with operating margin of 41.6% compared to 38.6% in the prior year. Net income for the fourth quarter increased 25% to $25.1 million, or $0.62 per diluted share, compared to net income of $20.1 million or $0.50 per diluted share in the prior year.

  • For fiscal 2013, net revenues increased 17% to $541.1 million, from $460.8 million in the prior year. By segment, direct net revenues increased 30% to $292.6 million. Comparable store sales growth was 3.4%, compared to 10.9% in the prior year. Indirect net revenues increased 6% to $248.6 million. Gross profit for the year increased 20% to $308.3 million, resulting in a gross margin of 57%, compared to 55.9% in the prior year. The increase in gross margin was due to operational efficiencies, lower freight costs, channel mix and lower input costs.

  • Total SG&A expense was $204.4 million for fiscal 2013, compared to $169.4 million in the prior year. SG&A as a percentage of net revenues was unfavorable by 100 basis points versus the prior year, primarily due to headcount expenses and increased store operating expenses. Operating income for fiscal 2013 was $110.1 million, compared to $96.2 million in the prior year, an increase of 15%. Net income for fiscal 2013 increased to $68.9 million or $1.70 per diluted share, from $57.9 million or $1.43 per diluted share in the prior year. The fiscal 2013 results include an earnings per share investment of $0.07 for Japan. The 53rd week in both the fourth quarter and fiscal year contributed $4.9 million to sales, and $0.02 to diluted earnings per share.

  • Key balance sheet highlights as of February 2, 2013 include cash and cash equivalents of $9.6 million, accounts receivable of $34.8 million compared to $38.1 million in the prior year, with days sales outstanding improving to 48 days compared to 57 days in the prior year. Inventory at the end of the fourth quarter was $131.6 million, compared to $107 million in the prior year, resulting in year-over-year inventory growth of 23%, compared to net revenue growth of 21%. The increase was less than we had originally anticipated on our December call, as a result of efforts we made to work with our suppliers, as well as higher than expected revenue in the fourth quarter. Debt outstanding of $15.1 million represents a reduction of $10.1 million during the fiscal year. The paydown of debt reflects the strong cash flow generation and capital efficiency of our business model, and includes the completion of our $22 million distribution center expansion.

  • For the first quarter of fiscal 2014, we expect net revenues to be in the range of $120 million to $122 million, compared to $117 million in the first quarter of fiscal 2013. We expect comparable store sales growth to be flat, due to the weak consumer environment. As Mike mentioned, in our direct segment we believe our specialty retail partners have responded cautiously to the consumer environment through lower than expected levels of purchasing for the first quarter. As a result, indirect net revenues is anticipated to decline mid to high teens, impacting by a shortfall in the recently completed sell-in of our summer collection, as well as a decline in reorders during the first half of the quarter. The first quarter is also impacted by the $2.8 million of sales that we have previously mentioned.

  • Gross margins for the first quarter is expected to be down approximately 30 basis points to the prior year, primarily due to the reduction in revenue, as well as outlet store promotions. SG&A as a percentage of net revenues is expected to be approximately 46.5% or 43.5% including other income, primarily related to annualizing fiscal '13 investments and due to opening six new stores in the first quarter. Diluted earnings per share are expected to be between $0.20 and $0.22. Our earnings per share estimate assumes an effective tax rate of approximately 39%, and fully diluted weighted average shares outstanding of 40.6 million. For fiscal 2014, we expect net revenues to be in the range of $585 million to $590 million, including comparable store sales growth of low to mid single digits.

  • During the fiscal year, we expect to add approximately 23 full price and outlet stores. Indirect net revenues will decline by mid single digits. The indirect revenue guidance reflects a slow start to the fiscal year, as well as fewer pattern introductions. As Mike discussed, in light of the challenging environment, we will manage our cost structure, considering the impact we anticipate in revenues, while preserving our ability to realize our long-term objectives. Gross margin for the year is expected to expand by 50 basis points due to operational efficiencies, channel mix and lower input costs. This guidance includes our expectation that cotton prices stay consistent with those in the back half of fiscal 2013.

  • We expect SG&A to be relatively flat as a percentage of net revenues, despite the addition of key management team members and investment in our e-commerce platform. Diluted earnings per share for fiscal 2014 are expected to be in the range of $1.83 to $1.88. This estimate includes an investment of approximately $0.07 per share to support our efforts in Japan. In addition, we expect an effective tax rate of 39%, slightly higher than the prior year due to tax incentives related to the completion of the distribution center that will not repeat in fiscal 2014. Fully diluted weighted average shares outstanding are expected to be 40.7 million. Capital expenditures for fiscal 2014 are expected to be approximately $20 million, and include the buildout of new stores as well as continued investment in our systems including our e-commerce platform.

  • Regarding our inventory growth outlook for fiscal 2014, as we stated in our previous earnings call, we expect inventory to outpace sales growth in the first quarter of this year. Our fiscal 2013 first quarter inventory was low at $98 million, which was 4% lower than the prior year, and occurred in a quarter when revenue grew 16%. In addition, as noted on our third quarter call, we placed purchase orders for more inventory than we currently need. As we stated before, because these orders were in our best selling patterns and styles, we expect the vast majority will be sold during the fiscal year through our normal channel. We expect inventory at the end of the first quarter to be $7 million to $11 million higher than we exited fiscal 2013.

  • Our primary objective is to ensure we have appropriate inventory to meet customer demand, and to support our sales growth throughout the year. We have been able to manage this objective over time, because our business model includes merchandise life spans of approximately 18 months, as product moves through our full price and discount channels. Overall, we are pleased with our financial performance for fiscal 2013. Despite a slower than anticipated beginning to fiscal 2014, we remain excited about our long-term growth potential which is supported by our strong balance sheet and cash flow. Thank you. I will now turn the call back to Mike for some closing remarks.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • All right. Thank you, Kevin. In closing, I would like to reiterate that we are pleased with our operation -- operational and financial performance in fiscal 2013. In the year, we made numerous operational improvements and expanded our business across several fronts, which helped result in 17% top and 19% bottom line growth. This milestone year, in which we celebrated our 30th anniversary was one of reflection on the many past contributions of the entire Vera Bradley team and our dedicated retail partners. Our unique culture has provided opportunity to attract and retain employees and partners who bring great enthusiasm and dedication to Vera Bradley.

  • Beginning a new fiscal year, we look forward to carrying this enthusiasm forward, capitalizing on the strength of our brand, and continuing to build a business that will provide current and future generations with colorful and functional products and will provide for continued growth and success. Operator, we are now ready for questions.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • And we will take our first question from Randy Konik with Jefferies.

  • Randy Konik - Analyst

  • Hello, how are you? Can you hear me?

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Hi, Randy.

  • Randy Konik - Analyst

  • Hi, how are you? So I guess a couple things. All right, on the comment around the inventory -- so the inventories came in really nicely in the fourth quarter. And then you are talking about in the first quarter, they are going to obviously be above the sales growth. Is there any more clarity on how much above in the first quarter? And then on -- and then just a little clarity on the first quarter outlook versus the annual outlook -- I understand that you are giving some clarity around the different expense buckets. So with the first quarter outlook, obviously is below the consensus estimate, well below, yet the annual outlook is not that far below at all. What gives you the confidence that the first quarter is not going to be -- play out for the remainder of the year? What levers are you pulling to be able to meet that $1.83 to $1.88, what have you? Thanks a lot.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Good question, Randy. First, I will start with the inventory you mentioned. So we exited the year at about $132 million. Our current forecast shows us adding about $7 million to $11 million to that. So the number doesn't change a lot through the first quarter. But keep in mind, our revenue growth rate is lower than we would have expected as well in the first quarter. So that impacts that. So if you look at the growth over the prior year, it is pretty significant. But most of that is really due to the $98 million last year being significantly low. So if you look at our inventory over this year, we grew inventory much lower than sales growth in Q4, Q1 and Q2; Q1 really being a very low watermark for us on inventory. So we are very confident in the inventory mix as we exited Q4, and as we projected to be at the end of Q1.

  • You had also mentioned the guidance for Q1. Considering the uncertainty that persists in the consumer environment, that really is played into our Q1. I think, similar to a lot of other retailers, we hope for that to turn a little bit in the back half of the year. But for us, Q1, we have already incurred about 80% of our revenues in the indirect segment. We also have the outlet sale that is pretty consistent year-over-year, as it relates to revenue and we are halfway through the quarter. So if you look at Q1 in particular, we feel we are in a good position to provide that guidance. Through the year, we have got some programs in place to manage our expenses in light of the soft top line. So those are some of the things we are going to focus on, to make sure we manage the bottom line, in light of the demand uncertainty.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • And Randy, I will just add on the demand side, really what you are seeing in the first quarter is the independent specialty retail partners' reaction to what is going on out in the marketplace. And our direct business is performing relatively well, considering the macro environment. What we are seeing on the indirect side primarily is a shortfall in their commitment to future seasons. So they are committing less of their open to buy, and really planning to open close -- or rather order closer to their needs. We have demonstrated across fiscal '13 an ability to fulfill their orders and replenish them pretty rapidly. And so what we are seeing in the buy-in of the summer season is a smaller weeks of supply commitment, in that season, with the expectation that we will replenish quickly. What we're probably going to see here is a shift between the early order period or the sell-in of the season, relative to reorders that follow.

  • Randy Konik - Analyst

  • Got it. Thanks.

  • Operator

  • And we will take our next question from Evren Kopelman with Wells Fargo.

  • Evren Kopelman - Analyst

  • Thank you. Good afternoon.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Hi, Evren.

  • Evren Kopelman - Analyst

  • You mentioned, so you said 15 new patterns, I think, versus 17 last year. Can you quantify the impact you expect the unfavorable sales impact from just that portion in 2013? And also, if you could give us store opening plans by quarter that would be great.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Yes. Your second question with regard to store openings, I think we mentioned in the script we are opening six stores in the first quarter. But we typically haven't provided guidance for the remaining of the quarters. But we do expect to open 23 stores this year, which compares to 20 stores last year. So definitely an increase there.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • And the patterns.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Yes, and with regard to the patterns, we try not to give guidance, obviously specific to patterns, because we actually don't know exactly how an indirect retailer or at least all of them are going to react. So there is going to be an impact, given we are reducing the patterns. We do expect that to be short-term. We expect over the long-term it will actually help us. But in the short-term as the retail partners get used to the change, we expect there to be a shortfall this year.

  • Evren Kopelman - Analyst

  • Okay. The other question is -- I think your indirect channel actually had a pretty good holiday, relative to your owned stores, and kind of the mall traffic we heard in the month of December, and I think they held pricing pretty well. What has changed maybe -- could you give a little bit more color around that that is impacting their ordering patterns now?

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Yes, I think the holiday season they fared fairly well. I think post-holiday, things slowed down for them primarily in the form of traffic. And so we started selling in the summer season in January, post-holiday. So that impacted the macro environment and how they think about committing resources, impacted their commitment to the season. Good news is, we can replenish rapidly, and the focus of the sales team is going to be getting out there post-launch and capturing orders, the replenishment orders that will follow. So we are pretty confident that we can go out there and capture those orders.

  • Evren Kopelman - Analyst

  • Then lastly, if I can ask on Dillard's, your 284 locations, is there plans to continue to increase there, or is that going to be done for Dillard's? And I think you have an expanded assortment in some of the doors. Is there a thought to roll that out to further doors? Thank you.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • We are actually in all of their doors now, Evren, at 284, and we are continuing to improve the presentation within the doors. Actually, Dillard's performance has been outstanding. We were just looking at that today, that over the first eight weeks of the year, the performance has been outstanding. So they are doing great with the line. We have some work to do to improve the visual presentation. We have the branded presentation in a number of doors. There is another tranche of doors that we are going to roll into this year, and we are working with Dillard's closely and their store associates to make sure they continue to maintain the display. Our merchandise is kind of difficult to maintain. It is heavily shopped and it is -- you have to give it a fair amount of focus to make it look good within the store. So that is the focus of the team this year on helping Dillard's continue to drive their growth.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • We will take our next question from Alex Fuhrman with Piper Jaffray.

  • Alex Fuhrman - Analyst

  • Great. Thanks for taking my question. Just another follow-up on the different cadence for the pattern releases in 2013. If I am looking at the remarks -- in your prepared remarks, correctly, I think you said there will be 15 available for the indirect channel. Are we still going to see more releases, and maybe more frequent releases of a fewer number of patterns in the direct channel? Are they going to be exclusive, online only or Vera Bradley stores exclusive patterns? And was curious the feedback you have gotten from some of your vendors as you talk to them about this -- I am sorry, your retail partners, not your vendors.

  • Roddy Mann - EVP, Strategy and Business Development

  • Yes, Alex, this is Roddy. I will tackle that. Just to start, on the cadence itself, the cadence is -- we are comfortable with the cadence. We made that shift last year. So how we are launching patterns, and as you think about it across the quarters, that will be the same, as the actual number of patterns we are releasing. What we found is that -- and you can just imagine yourself going into a store. There is -- there are a lot of patterns there. And if you think of shrinking that 1,700 square foot store down to say, 250 square feet in one of our retail partner stores, it is challenging to merchandise all of that. So through looking at the numbers, through market research, we feel that we don't need 17 patterns. We actually were at 16. We added the additional 17th, with the ribbons, the breast cancer awareness pattern. We feel going down to 15 is better for them to manage, and will give them the best lineup of patterns for their customer base. We have -- although much of the customer base overlaps in our direct segment, just because we are in malls, we do have a little bit maybe younger customer base, and we feel more comfortable releasing some of the other patterns to them. We also have a little bit more flexibility to merchandise it, in larger square footage.

  • So generally speaking, we have that flexibility to do it. We are probably really only reducing one pattern, so the difference is maybe going from 17 to 16 in our direct stores. But we are working on that now. It is just that we have the flexibility to have a much more limited assortment in our stores, and not go through the actual sell-in of the season.

  • Alex Fuhrman - Analyst

  • Okay. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks, Roddy, for the answer.

  • Operator

  • We will take our next question from Amy Noblin with William Blair.

  • Amy Noblin - Analyst

  • Thanks. Good afternoon. Two questions. First, can you talk a little bit more specifically about the merchandising initiatives that you have been testing in those stores? Just some more granularity there, what kind of lift you have seen? And I know you have talked about some roll-out plans. And then the second question relates to the online initiative. I am very happy to hear that you will continue to move more toward full price. It would seem, having been to a couple of these customer appreciation events that you can put your pattern on anything, and I know SKU efficiency at the direct level and indirect level has been a priority. Should we expect to see expanded SKU assortment online as we move through this year? And see SKU rationalization at the store level, maybe if you could talk a little more specifically about that? Thank you.

  • Roddy Mann - EVP, Strategy and Business Development

  • Yes, Amy, I will field that again. The effort in the stores is -- we are naturally looking at the SKU base at the Company level that we are offering everywhere. Naturally, when we adjust the number of patterns, that has a direct influence on it. What we are doing concurrent with that is looking at how we are presenting the merchandise in the stores themselves. We piloted that with a more focused effort, highlighting our key styles in a way that is a little bit more shoppable for the customer. In a couple of our stores, had a good response, enough that we felt comfortable rolling out to a broader number. And there is probably maybe just under 30 doors now that have it. And we feel confident that that is going to help the assortment be more shoppable as we go through the year, especially building towards the holiday season.

  • Online, as -- and so more broadly speaking, as we build up the merchandising team's capabilities, as we go through the remerchandising efforts in our own stores, we will take learnings from that and roll that into the overall Company level assortment. That probably won't necessarily happen this year. You may see a broader assortment online than in many of our stores, but it won't necessarily be incremental SKUs that we are offering online.

  • Amy Noblin - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks. And just a quick follow-up to the online. As you -- it sounds like you are going to build the team through this year, and so you are not expecting too much impact from top line perspective online. Is that fair? I know you are signaling what is going on in the indirect channel. But presumably, as you reposition the full price, there could be some impact to the online as well. So is that factored into your plans? Or do we expect to see that more later in the year, into next year?

  • Roddy Mann - EVP, Strategy and Business Development

  • We are not really expecting that impact this year. We are really focusing on the investment this year to get ready.

  • Amy Noblin - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. Thanks.

  • Roddy Mann - EVP, Strategy and Business Development

  • Yes.

  • Operator

  • And we will take our next question from Edward Yruma from KeyBanc Capital Markets.

  • Edward Yruma - Analyst

  • Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I want to get back to the excess inventory question. So you indicated that it was $7 million to $11 million in excess of where you ended 4Q. And you had previously indicated it would be 10% to 20% ahead of sales growth levels. So understanding that the sales level or sales growth level for 1Q is a little lighter than maybe you had expected, I just wanted to confirm that the actual inventory amount hadn't changed.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Yes. No, that is a good question. We were able to work with our suppliers, and we were able to delay some of our purchase orders, as well as cancel some of our purchase orders. But that delay actually pushed some of our inventory from Q4 to Q1. That growth rate obviously increased in Q1, but came down in Q4 for inventory. We feel real good about the mix of inventory. And keep mind, our business model includes life spans for our products that can sit in the -- in our stores for 18 months. We feel very confident we can move that inventory. But it still is in line with our expectations that we presented back in Q3.

  • Edward Yruma - Analyst

  • Got you. And I know you talked a little bit about a potential rationalization or look at your independent channel. I am wondering if you could offer a little bit more detail. Is it reducing the number of stores? Is it changing the way you work with them? Obviously, you are doing a pattern release change, but are there other, more substantial changes that we should be looking for as the year progresses? Thank you.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Ed, the -- we are actually looking at all ways to increase the productivity and profitability of that channel. There's probably a lot of short-term opportunities in how we are selling to them, in how we are helping them merchandise their assortments internally. And one of the levers we have pulled, so to speak, is the pattern reduction that we are offering them. And we think that will have an impact at -- I shouldn't say in the short-term as far as it relates to sell-in, but we think it will help their profitability in the near future, and that may trickle into the following year. As it relates to the store count, we mentioned before, there is probably 5% to 10% attrition on an annual basis, and we are opening up doors to cover that up. We think there may be opportunities to be a little bit more proactive in that area. That will not -- we are not really anticipating that to happen this year, beyond the normal attrition.

  • Edward Yruma - Analyst

  • Got you. And one quick follow-up if I may. So you preannounced January 15, you stated revenue would be $149 million to $154 million. Obviously, there was a little bit of revenue that you indicated shifted from 1Q to 4Q. But I guess, what else made up the difference, given that you were only at that point two weeks or so away from the quarter end?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • No, that is a good question. So our reorders for our indirect segment came in a little higher than we expected, and then some of the promotional activity we ran in our outlet stores really drove revenue higher than our expectations. So most of that being very positive. And then the $2.8 million -- now part of that $2.8 million did relate to the beach and eyewear release or launch, and it straddled the quarter. We expected that to hit obviously, in Q1. But because the customer received it Q4, that is when it was recorded.

  • Edward Yruma - Analyst

  • Great. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • We will take our next question from Jennifer Davis with Lazard Capital Markets.

  • Jennifer Davis - Analyst

  • Hello, good afternoon. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about how summer tested in your owned stores. I think that you said that upfront orders were a little bit lower. But I think that a lot of that is due to, you are able to deliver it sooner, so the retailers don't need to order it as much upfront. Which I think is a good thing because at the end of the day then they will end up with less. But anyway, so I was just wondering if you could talk about how summer tested in your owned stores.

  • Roddy Mann - EVP, Strategy and Business Development

  • Jen, we were pleased with the testing in our own stores -- to the point that really we were trying to understand initially how the gap between our original plans and the sell-in of the season, and through further research that confirmed that they are anxious about the -- as you said, they are anxious about the consumer environment. They are not buying into the season, when they -- as much early on when they can get reorders fulfilled pretty quickly. And we expect those reorders to come through and bridge that gap to some extent. We don't necessarily expect all that to come in the first quarter.

  • Jennifer Davis - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. And then a quick clarification. Can you tell us how much inventory you were able to cancel?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • We haven't quantified that.

  • Jennifer Davis - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Publicly yes.

  • Jennifer Davis - Analyst

  • Okay. Fair enough. Actually, one more clarification, if you don't mind. How many specialty retailers is baby in, and is it -- how many Dillard's stores is it in? I don't think it is in all of them.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Yes, and this is Mike. It is in roughly a third of the specialty retailers. And it is in probably something similar to -- maybe a little less than that in the Dillard's stores -- I can't remember the number off the top of my head. But for certain select Dillard's stores, it is in those and there is an opportunity for us to roll that out further.

  • Jennifer Davis - Analyst

  • Right, okay. And along those lines, actually one more. How about bedding and the back-to-campus for this back-to-school season? Are you going to have bedding again in some of those incremental styles?

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • We will have it again. We are not expecting to have any incremental styles like we had last year. So think of it as in line, as this past year -- (multiple speakers)

  • Jennifer Davis - Analyst

  • All right, thanks. Yes, thanks, best of luck.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from Erika Maschmeyer with Robert W. Baird.

  • Erika Maschmeyer - Analyst

  • Thank you. Just wanted to clarify on your guidance. Does the Q1 guidance assume that the trends that you have seen to date in Q1 persist throughout March and April, and that replenishment remains weak? Or does it assume that reorders normalize somewhat? And then could you elaborate on your comment around elevated price competition? Is that in the handbag category or just in overall retail?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Yes, good question. So first, with regard to Q1 guidance, we do expect a cautious environment throughout Q1. We obviously expect it to pick up as we get to the final three quarters of the year. And with regards specifically to the indirect, we do plan a little bit of an increase for our reorders just because we have got a launch next week. And that will -- they typically buy into a season for a certain amount of weeks. And so you typically see a little lower reorder activity, but then it starts to pick up as we get into April.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • The other catalyst will be baby, which launches tomorrow. So that is going to drive traffic, and we would expect that to have a positive impact on the overall assortment as well. (multiple speakers). Yes, we are being cautious, just simply because of the environment.

  • Roddy Mann - EVP, Strategy and Business Development

  • And just to your -- Erika, your question about the promotional environment. Not just the handbag category, I would say it is all retail. If you were to walk the malls, particularly into February, you would have seen it. And not just in brick and mortar retail, I think extremely promotional online as well.

  • Erika Maschmeyer - Analyst

  • That's definitely fair. Could you talk a bit about the new chief experience officer role, the skills that Bonita is bringing to the table? I guess why did you create this role, and what do you expect to get out of it?

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Yes, Erika, this is Mike. Actually, this is something that evolved over the course of time. We launched a search for a VP of multichannel back in the fall. And through the course of that period of time, through the course of that search, we were also going through strategic planning. Really one focus that came out of strategic planning is enhancing our relationship with the consumer.

  • And we, through the course of the interviews, came into contact with Bonita, realized pretty quickly that she was probably -- well, is overqualified for the role that we were pursuing. So considering our strategies, considering the need for significant strength, considering having someone that spans both sales and marketing, can focus on the customer experience, that is how that came together. It was an opportunity for us to attract some incredible talent onto the team. Bonita really has a nice, solid, long track record at retail. She started her career in San Francisco after going to FIDM, and worked primarily in boutiques, ended up working for Laura Ashley, managing a number of their stores. Went to work soon after for Williams-Sonoma, and was ultimately their VP of Sales and Operations.

  • Before she left, she spent some time at T-Mobile, heading up their retail sales and operations, and then eventually was head of their product development group focusing on innovation. And then most recently was with Bath & Body Works, focusing on the consumer experience. So the combination of all of those experiences throughout her career, really elevate her to a point where she can help us. She will have responsibility for all the channels as well, so the direct segment and the indirect segment will report up to her. She will have a strong team, Dave Thompson, [Cheri Lance] will continue to execute the strategies. And she will be focused on elevating the customer experience and really helping us build our strategies going forward for growth.

  • Erika Maschmeyer - Analyst

  • That's helpful. Best of luck.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • We will go next to Janine Stichter with Telsey Advisory Group.

  • Janine Stichter - Analyst

  • Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. My question was on pricing. I think you typically reevaluate your pricing annually, and given the promotions you are seeing, any thoughts of potentially reversing some of the price increases you took? I guess it was a little over a year ago now when you had the cotton headwinds, now that you have a tailwind in cotton?

  • Roddy Mann - EVP, Strategy and Business Development

  • We are -- we are not reconsidering. We think we are good with the price increases that we took. Those, remember, those price increases were pretty moderate as it related to the ultimate retail price. So we feel like we are in a good place there. We are just not necessarily increasing the promotional levels as much as some of our competitors might be, given this environment. We think it is the right thing to do for the brand, it is the right thing to do for the long run.

  • Janine Stichter - Analyst

  • Okay. And then also, any commentary on the outlets, I think you mentioned that you had seen some good trends there? And that is pretty different from what we are hearing from everyone else, where we have heard about weak outlet traffic. So just any color there would be helpful.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • The traffic in the outlet stores?

  • Janine Stichter - Analyst

  • Yes.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Is that what -- ? Okay, the traffic in the outlet stores has been somewhat down, but our promotional activity has been working, and it has been helping drive some of our top line.

  • Janine Stichter - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • And we will take our next question from Peter Wahlstrom with Morningstar Investment Research.

  • Peter Wahlstrom - Analyst

  • Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. One of your long-term targets if I recall, is targeting mid to high teens revenue growth. And I realize that there are a lot of puts and takes in -- fiscal 2014, whether it's a 53 week year, slow 1Q, weak consumer. But is there a structural change in the medium term outlook? Or is there something specific to 2014 that we should be thinking about?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Yes, it is a good question. Obviously, the current year, the long-term guidance doesn't apply. We are, as we stated -- we have got a lot of strategies around our indirect channel, with regard to the patterns that we are going to offer to them. Also with mapping out a long-term strategy to better profitability and productivity out of those retailers. But nevertheless, that being said, we don't believe there is a fundamental change in our business or in our strategy. So we still feel good for the most part, with that long-term guidance.

  • Peter Wahlstrom - Analyst

  • Okay. And I know this was asked previously, but to clarify. When we are thinking about the implied acceleration in top line in the back half of fiscal 2014, that is largely predicated on a strengthening macro environment, is that correct?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Yes, I think similar to the other retailers, we expect this to impact Q1. And we hope the consumer comes back a little bit more as we exit Q1.

  • Peter Wahlstrom - Analyst

  • And if you don't see recovery in the consumer, how does that translate into your recent decisions to not aggressively pull the promotional lever either at retail or the e-commerce channel?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • You know, e-commerce, we planned the same level of discounting as last year. We've continued to be a little more promotional in our outlet stores, and that has driven the top line sales. And we have also got some cost containment programs in place, to help better manage the bottom line, in light of the uncertain top line. And I think those are some of the things we will push on, if we need to, if the sales aren't there.

  • Peter Wahlstrom - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • We will take our next question from Oliver Chen with Citi.

  • Oliver Chen - Analyst

  • Hi. Thanks a lot. Regarding the --

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Hi, Oliver.

  • Oliver Chen - Analyst

  • The -- a modeling question on indirect. Should we model sequentially on a quarterly basis that it sees less pressure throughout the quarters? If you could help us a little, because that line has been so volatile. And my follow-up is in relation to the comp store sales trends. What were the key levers that drove the deceleration? Was it traffic or AUR? And building on that, what are you most constructive of, in terms of the comp levers, for you to achieve your full year target in comps? Thank you.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • We have held pretty consistent that during the holiday and even thereafter, that in our full-price stores we are not going to discount any more than we have historically. I think that served us well, especially as you look at our bottom line in Q4. As you look at the outlet stores, we have used those to promote a little bit more, to drive traffic, ultimately to drive sales. And I think we have been successful doing that. And specific to the indirect channel, it is still a pretty choppy channel. Obviously, the reduction in patterns, the lower EOP here in Q1, we hope maybe that will settle it down a little bit and make it a little bit more consistent in the year. But I think if you look at our sales last year, it should be a predictor of this year, from a quarter-to-quarter basis. Mainly, because our product cadence is the same last year as it compares to this year.

  • Oliver Chen - Analyst

  • So just to be clear, last year it grew 1%, then 3%, then 7% then 11%. Are you saying this year it should become less negative as each quarter goes on?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • I think that's fair. Now, keep in mind with regards to Q4, we did have that $2.8 million that we would have expected to hit Q1. If you actually pull that $2.8 million out, the growth rate of the indirect segment in Q4 would actually reduce from 11% to right around 6%. So I would keep that in mind as you are doing your modeling.

  • Oliver Chen - Analyst

  • Okay. And clarifying what you said about the comps, are you saying the AUR was flattish? But you had lower traffic or conversions to get to the slightly negative comp that you just posted?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Yes, that is correct.

  • Oliver Chen - Analyst

  • And what -- like going forward, the expectation is potentially that traffic helps versus -- ?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Yes, it is, it's really traffic in the full-price stores.

  • Oliver Chen - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks. Thanks for your time. Best regards.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Thank you, Oliver.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Ike Boruchow with Sterne Agee.

  • Ike Boruchow - Analyst

  • Hello, thanks for taking my question. I wanted to focus --

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Hi, Ike.

  • Ike Boruchow - Analyst

  • Just wanted to focus on the store segment. So I guess in Q4, you had your first negative -- slight negative comp, and you guided to flat for Q1. I am sorry if I missed this, but is that indicative of where the comps are running quarter to date in Q1? And then also, I think I heard that you are actually ramping your store growth from 20 stores last year to 23 new stores in 2013. Can you talk about that decision? And if your comps were to remain weak, would you ever consider pulling back on the store expansion strategy at least temporarily?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • Well, I would keep in mind with regard to the store strategy, we have the Infrastructure in place to be able to build more stores. We also have a lot of locations that looked appealing to us and had good rates. So -- and keep in mind, those stores that we open this year, don't go into the comp base until the following year. So they are really not going to play into our comparable stores this year.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • But long-term, we don't believe this is where comps are going to settle. We have a lot of initiatives on the table. We mentioned one, in terms of the remerchandising of the stores. We think that is going to help, and we are focused in other ways to drive comps. So I wouldn't look at this period of time, and say this is indicative of what we are going to see going forward.

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • But our guidance for Q1 obviously contemplates the first half of this quarter with regards to comps. And that is why we expect it to be flat in the quarter. But we expect it to pick up as the year goes on.

  • Ike Boruchow - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks. Good luck.

  • Paul Blair - IR

  • And Cameron, in the interest of everyone's time, let's take one more question. One more caller.

  • Operator

  • Certainly. We will take our final question from Steve Marotta with CL King & Associates.

  • Steve Marotta - Analyst

  • Good evening, everyone. Just trying to amplify on the last question. Does the flat comp expectation in Q1 assume for acceleration over the next six weeks?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • We typically don't try to give our comps by month, because it can be very difficult to, one, predict. But we did start out the quarter slow though, and that is reflected in our flat guidance.

  • Steve Marotta - Analyst

  • Okay. And lastly, very quickly, the $2.8 million swing in sales into 4Q from Q1, could you quantify that a little bit on an EPS basis, roughly?

  • Kevin Sierks - Interim CFO

  • I mean, if you were to do the numbers straight from our P&L, it's about a $0.01. It's about a $0.01 to our EPS.

  • Steve Marotta - Analyst

  • Great. That's great. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • This does conclude today's question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Ray for any additional or closing remarks.

  • Mike Ray - CEO

  • Thank you for joining us today, and for your continued interest in Vera Bradley. We look forward to speaking with you during our first quarter conference call which will be held on June 5 at 4.30 PM. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. We thank you for your participation.