Ultrapar Participacoes SA (UGP) 2014 Q3 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. At this time, we would like to welcome everyone to Ultrapar's third quarter 2014 results conference call. There is also a simultaneous webcast that may be accessed through Ultrapar's website, at www.ultra.com.br/ri. Please feel free to flip through the slides during the conference call.

  • Today with us, we have Mr. Andre Covre, Chief Financial Officer and Investor Relations Officer, together with other executives of Ultrapar.

  • We would like to inform you that this event is being recorded and all participants will be in listen-only mode during the Company's presentation. (Operator Instructions)

  • A replay of this call will be available for one week.

  • Before proceeding, let me mention that forward-looking statements are being made under the Safe Harbor of the Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1996. Forward-looking statements are based on the beliefs and assumptions of Ultrapar management and on information currently available to the Company. They involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions because they relate to future events and therefore depend on circumstances that may or may not occur in the future.

  • Investors should understand that general economic conditions, industry conditions, and other operating factors could also affect the future results of Ultrapar and could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements.

  • Now, I'll turn the conference over to Mr. Covre, who will present Ultrapar's results in the quarter and discuss about perspectives. Mr. Covre, you may now begin the conference.

  • Andre Covre - Chief Financial and IR Officer

  • Good afternoon, everyone. It's again a real pleasure to be here with you. We also have the pleasure today of having Thilo Mannhardt, our CEO, with us, who will conduct the first part of the presentation. So, Thilo, please, get us started.

  • Thilo Mannhardt - President & CEO

  • Thank you very much. Unusual, but today fully to be explained, why I am participating and a speaker in this conference call with you. But before doing so, let me thank you for your presence and for the attention. It's an honor talk to you.

  • As we usually do in the third quarters, we do have -- had this morning a face-to-face meeting in Brazil with our investors. So, our presentation is a little bit longer and it is shared by Andre and by myself.

  • I will start by presenting our trajectory from the perspectives of strategy, governance growth, and value creation which have boosted our businesses along the years and made us such a large company in Brazil. We will also comment on the performance during the quarter and the strategy of each of the businesses and also our expectations for the fourth quarter 2014 and an outlook for 2015. Those all you'll find on slide number 3, which does give you the agenda we will roughly follow.

  • Turning now to slide number 5, let me tell you first of all that I would like to share with you that one month ago today, October 6, 15 years ago, we completed -- we were listed as a public company. This event has made us reflect on our strategy over that period, which I had the privilege of following closely for some years as a partner of Ultrapar in various projects before actually joining the team and for now almost four years acting as much -- as a Board member and more recently as its President and CEO.

  • Currently, Ultrapar is consolidating itself as one of Brazil's largest companies, with resilient businesses and an outstanding position in its areas of activity. We are a multi-business company with an effective management in each of the units and of the whole organization as such.

  • Our fuel distribution business -- on the chart, you follow on the left-hand side, Ipiranga -- is the second largest in its market, with a 22% market share achieved through constant investments in logistics, infrastructure, and expansion of the service station network. Today, the company does have over 6,800 service stations in operation and has also the largest convenience store chain in Brazil.

  • Ultragaz is Brazil's largest LPG distributor. It currently has almost 5,000 independent resellers. It serves 46,000 clients in the bulk segment. And it serves around 11 million households in Brazil through bottled gas.

  • Oxiteno, our petrochemical business, is also a leader in its industry, being the largest producer of specialty chemicals derived from ethylene oxide in Latin America. Today, Oxiteno has 11 production facilities in five countries -- let me remind you: Brazil, Mexico, Uruguay, Venezuela, and most recently, in the United States.

  • Ultracargo is Brazil's largest provider of storage bulk -- of store liquid bulks, with seven liquid bulk terminals, six of those being operated in port areas, and a total installed capacity of around 830,000 cubic meters.

  • In Extrafarma, on the right-hand side of the chart, our new business is one of the top drugstore chains in the north and northeast regions of Brazil, with 210 stores in operation.

  • Moving to slide 6, I'd like to show some of Ultrapar's key moments of evolution during that period of the last 15 years. Since its IPO, Ultrapar has built a history of commitment to the capital markets and implementation of important differentiated corporate governance practices.

  • The year 1999 was marked by our simultaneous listing on the stock exchanges of Sao Paulo and New York.

  • One year later in 2000, Ultrapar was the first Brazilian company to grant tag-along rights at 100% of the offer value to all its shareholders. Note that the tag-along right had been eliminated from the law in the 1990s, only being reinstituted in 2002.

  • In 2002, Ultrapar started to use economic value-added growth targets as the main variable for compensation, one of the Company's most important actions that came to pervade all of its decisions.

  • In 2006, the roles of Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of Directors were assigned for the first time to different individuals. Paulo Cunha started to be exclusively dedicated to the role of Chairman of the Board, and my predecessor, Pedro Wongtschowski, assumed the CEO position.

  • Another important event in this trajectory took place in 2011. In that year, Ultrapar's former controlling shareholder gave up control in favor of growth and endurance, long-term endurance, of the Company. We converted all preferred shares into common shares at a 1-to-1 ratio and joined Brazil's Novo Mercado.

  • In 2012, as part of the constant evolution of its corporate culture and governance, Ultrapar conducted once more a CEO succession. The succession process happened in accordance with Ultrapar's philosophy: adequately and thoroughly planned and conducted with transparency. We disclosed it half a year in advance, thus allowing for a smooth transition process.

  • The evolution of our governance structure over the last 15 years, among other improvements, strengthened the alignment of interests among shareholders, leadership, managers, and teams, thus helping to build the Ultrapar that you know today.

  • If you move to the next slide, slide 7, this governance was actually and is actually the basis for the investments we make. We invested [corrected to today's date] around BRL20 billion in strengthening the Company and expanding it via organic moves and acquisitions aiming at value creation.

  • In 2002, we implemented a corporate restructuring with the main goal of holding 100% of our businesses and simplifying our structure, which at the same time strengthened the alignment between controlling shareholders and minority shareholders. After this operation, we became the wholly owner of Oxiteno, which was listed before, and Ultragaz, which had other shareholders with direct interests in the company.

  • Among the acquisitions that boosted our businesses, we can highlight in 2003 Shell Gas, which allowed Ultragaz to resume leadership in the LPG distribution market in Brazil. In the same year, we took the first step towards Oxiteno's internationalization process, through an acquisition in Mexico.

  • In 2007, we conducted the operation that took the Company to a higher level: the acquisition of Ipiranga. It created and continues to create countless benefits and growth opportunities for our Company.

  • Moving forward with Ipiranga's expansion plan, we then completed the acquisition of Texaco's fuel distribution business in Brazil. With this [transaction], Ipiranga became even larger. It became stronger, with operations in the north, northeast, and mid-west regions of Brazil as well.

  • In 2008, we acquired Uniao Terminais, which allowed a step-change for Ultracargo to consolidate itself as the largest liquid storage provider in Brazil.

  • Our recent and latest strategic movement was Extrafarma, marking Ultrapar's entry into Brazil's significant and growing retail pharmacy sector.

  • During all those years, we also strengthened our scale and our competitive differentiators through organic investments into capacity expansion, in expanding our geographical footprint, into increasing the [capital] presence in our markets, technology, and innovation.

  • Moving to slide 8, I'd like to highlight the main attributes that characterize our businesses and that contributed to our growth. They are very strong attributes to Ultrapar. Throughout our history, we looked for strategic moves into businesses where Ultrapar could develop competitive advantages and which could match the characteristics of our businesses: operational excellence, growth, and potential for differentiation and consolidation; in other words, supplemental projects that would strengthen the Company and ensure sustainable growth that would be boosted by our competitive advantages.

  • These attributes represent Ultrapar's philosophy and the main characteristics of our businesses. This is the unique combination of businesses that withstand times of greater economic instability and which at the same time grow when the economy performs well.

  • We also seek to contribute to the formalization of the markets where we operate. For example, we played a relevant role in the process of formalization and consolidation of our markets such as at Ultragaz, which led in the 1990s to the creation of a self-regulation code for the industry and which helped to evolve to the current regulation in place for the LPG market.

  • Another example is Ipiranga, which has been contributing to the formalization of the fuels market in Brazil. And, by the way, we will operate in the pharmacy sector applying the same mindset.

  • May I ask you now to switch to slide 9? And we highlight another relevant aspect of our progress -- the foundations of our management -- which you see explicitly on this slide number 9.

  • Taking off from the above-mentioned governance and alignment of interests that foster a results-oriented entrepreneurial, often owner, mindset, we also seek to maintain a simple management structure in order to ensure fast decision-making processes with an efficient system of checks and balances.

  • Careful planning of both strategic moves and our operations, followed by consistent implementations, is also part of our foundation. This is how we act. For example, in acquisitions, planning includes a very thorough, rational analysis of the opportunities and of what is necessary for the proper preparation of a very solid business plan. Once we decide to move forward, adequate proper implementation is crucial to fulfill the commitments we put ourselves against.

  • Strengthening the attributes of our brands has also been key, as it increasingly impresses our identity upon the products and services offered to our consumers.

  • Innovation is a crucial element of our management, which traces back to our origin in the creation of the LPG market in Brazil by Ultragaz and has a direct relationship to the sustainability of our businesses; that is, the innovation to grow, differentiate, and continue to evolve.

  • Moving to slide 10, and now after having talked to you a lot about what we did and how we did it, I'd like to show a little bit of the results along those 15 years.

  • As you may notice, since IPO in 1999, the Company's EBITDA has been growing, even though it has undergone through the most diverse economic cycles. Over this period, we had -- just to cite some examples to you -- Brazilian GDP growth varying between 7.5%, and at some point in time dropping by 0.3%. We [suffered] exchange rates at BRL4 to the dollar as well as BRL1.50 to the dollar. Our prime interest rate, Selic, at 45% per year and at a low of 7.25% a year. We were exposed to inflation of 12.5% per year as well as 3.5% per year. And oil prices in this period varied between $133 per barrel and at some point in time $12 per barrel.

  • Even in these challenging scenarios over the 60 quarters since the IPO, Ultrapar reported EBITDA growth compared to the previous year in 50 of those. This does not mean that everything will grow constantly and continuously forever. Rather, it means that we don't rely on good economic conditions only to achieve our performance and that managers many times are able to counteract on a more challenging operational environment.

  • It is not a coincidence that Ultrapar shares also had a strong performance since the IPO, with the operational performance influencing the market value. Our shares had an average annual growth of 22% since the IPO, considering also the reinvestment of our dividends. In the same period, the CDI average appreciation was 14% per year and the Ibovespa grew at 11% per year.

  • Allow me now to hand over to my friend and colleague, Andre, who will provide a more specific view of each of our businesses. At the end, I will return for some additional and final considerations.

  • Andre Covre - Chief Financial and IR Officer

  • Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for your presence and for your continued interest in Ultrapar.

  • I begin with slide 12, talking about Ultrapar's consolidated results and the context and economic scenario we experienced in the quarter. In the third quarter of this year, we saw a worsening macroeconomic scenario, as shown in the graph of the GDP expected for the year, and this made the business environment even more challenging.

  • This environment is in sharp contrast with the one of the third quarter of 2013. At that time, Brazilian GDP grew at 2.4% and the American economy was expected to recover faster, leading to a strong depreciation of the real after July. In the third quarter this year, in the graph on the top-right, the exchange rate remained relatively stable until mid-September, when the real started to depreciate due to the volatility created by the presidential election.

  • These differences in the macroeconomic context and the international scenario had a relevant impact on Oxiteno, influencing its record EBITDA positively in the third quarter of 2013 and negatively in the third quarter of this year.

  • Even in this scenario, EBITDA was up 3% in the quarter and 8% in the first nine months of the year. Influenced by the two-percentage-points increase in the interest rate, net earnings remained stable quarter on quarter and are up 3% September year to date. This shows Ultrapar's capability to maintain the growth trend even in a macroeconomic scenario that has been increasingly challenging this year.

  • On to page 13, starting with Ipiranga, we had a 6% increase in sales volume of fuels for light vehicles, Otto cycle fuels, driven by the continued growth in the light vehicle fleet and the investments made in the expansion of the reseller network.

  • Consumption of diesel grew, mainly driven by the volumes sold to thermal power plants, a market in which we do not participate. If we were to exclude this volume, market volumes would have dropped in line with the economy performance. Ipiranga's total diesel sales fell by 3% in the quarter. The large-consumer segment was affected by the weak economic activity and the non-renewal of a major contract. The diesel sold in the Ipiranga service station, in turn, was up 2% compared to third quarter last year, despite the low GDP growth, as a result of the investments in network expansion.

  • Our differentiation strategy through constant innovation in service and convenience at the stations also contributed to Ipiranga's positive result.

  • In addition, Ipiranga had lower personnel, advertising, and marketing expenses in the quarter.

  • And with all of that, we had an EBITDA growth at 13% in Ipiranga in the quarter.

  • I'd like to talk about each one -- in each one of our business about our outlook and expectations. Before I start with Ipiranga, I would like to remind you that these are about trends, levels, and orders of magnitude of results evolution and not precise forecasts.

  • So, in the nine months of the year, Ipiranga's EBITDA grew 12%. In the first quarter, we had a 15% growth. In the second quarter, we had a 9% growth; if we were to exclude some one-off events, that would have been around 15%. And in the third quarter, we grew 12%. Therefore, in the current operating environment, this is the level of growth of Ipiranga, and we don't see any reasons for that trend to change in 2015.

  • Specifically in the fourth quarter this year, we expect the growth results to be below this level, mainly due to one-off benefits in the fourth quarter last year when we had a significant price increase by Petrobras, much bigger than the one announced last night, and the sale of a participation in one of our storage facilities.

  • Talking about Oxiteno, we had very contrasting economic and operating scenarios between third quarters of 2013 and 2014, as I mentioned at the beginning. The positive scenario of the third quarter last year contributed to Oxiteno's quarterly EBITDA record. On the third quarter this year, the worsening of the global economy outlook and the unusual combination of a weakening Brazilian economy and relative stable foreign exchange rate contributed to a quarter below average.

  • Together with these situational elements, we had reduced operating levels in Venezuela since the beginning of the year, due to restrictions on raw material imports, and better sales mix in the third quarter last year when we were preparing ourselves to a stoppage. And for this reason, we produced and sold lower levels of glycols.

  • All those factors together led us to a 32% decline in Oxiteno's EBITDA in the third quarter this year in relation to last year.

  • For the fourth quarter of this year, the economic scenario remains in the same conditions, except for the exchange rate which has been depreciating over the last two weeks. Therefore, we can envision a better evolution in results in the fourth quarter compared to the one we presented in the third quarter, approaching the fourth quarter of last year's absolute EBITDA.

  • Looking to 2015, since we completed our capacity expansions in 2011, we have evolved to have a normalized margin level of $230 to $250 per ton. In the nine months of the year, we had $228 per ton of margin. With a weaker real, we can expect an increase in 2015 compared to the $228 accumulated this year, within the normalized range of post-expansions margins that I just mentioned.

  • Ultragaz reported a 4% growth in sales volume in the bottled segment, mainly due to commercial initiatives and the market growth in the emerging north and northeast regions. In the bulk segment, volume was up by 1% as a consequence of investments to capture new customers, notably in the residential and small- and medium-sized company segments.

  • Ultragaz EBITDA was up by 11%, mainly due to the increase in volumes and cost reduction initiatives.

  • Based on these commercial and operating initiatives, we expect the trends that we saw in the third quarter to be maintained. In other words, we expect performance evolution in the fourth quarter and in 2015 at the same level that we had on third quarter.

  • At Ultracargo, the volume handled remained relatively reasonably stable. Economic performance affected the storage of chemicals, but at the other hand, we had significant growth in the handling of fuels for (technical difficulty) and thermal plants.

  • Ultracargo's EBITDA grew 7%, mainly to contractual tariff adjustments and lower expenses with projects.

  • Looking further to next year and the fourth quarter, I would like to remind you that Ultracargo's results tend to grow in large steps when we have new tankage capacities entering in operation. In absence of additional tankage capacity, results improvements come from the business' resilient nature. Since the next Ultracargo's expansion will be operational only in 2016, the trend to the fourth quarter and 2015 is to maintain the same level of growth observed in the third quarter of this year.

  • Finally, Extrafarma. Gross revenues grew 14%, above the 12% average as measured by the industry association, Abrafarma. Its EBITDA excluding expenses with integration and structuring the company for fresh growth, totaled BRL17 million, a 43% growth compared to last year.

  • The EBITDA [effectively] reported was much lowers due to a concentration of expenses with integration and structuring in the amount of BRL15 million. Such concentration is a consequence of us getting to the final steps of the process of preparing the company for accelerated growth. Several actions have already been concluded, and the remaining activities will be concluded during the fourth quarter, in which we will still have relevant structuring expenses.

  • We are therefore consolidating what we call the preparation year so that through 2015 we will set a pace of opening 100 stores per year, reaching cruise speed in 2015, and in five years reaching the same level of EBITDA that we have in our Ultragaz business.

  • 2015 will be a transition year, with a faster expansions of stores benefiting more in 2016, given the typical maturing process of newly opened stores, given that EBITDA of a new store is typically negative. On the other hand, part of the integration and structuring expenses of this year are of a non-recurring nature, allowing a significant 2015 EBITDA growth compared to the one reported in 2014.

  • Moving to slide 14, I would like to speak a few words about Ipiranga and its growth. Since acquiring it on 2007, the growth in volume has been boosted by the increase in the light vehicle fleet, which positively affects the fuels for light vehicles. As you can see on the top-left chart, there's a strong relationship between the growth in the Otto cycle fuels and the expansion of the light vehicle fleet in Brazil.

  • In the graph on the right, we show that the penetration of vehicles in Brazil is still very small when compared to countries in similar stages of development, such as Argentina, Mexico, and South Korea. This graph therefore illustrates the potential for continued growth in the Brazilian fleet and therefore growth of Otto cycle fuels.

  • In addition to the growth, we have invested significantly to accelerate Ipiranga's volume growth. The bottom-left chart, we show the investment cycles in network expansions through organic growth or acquisitions, which have allowed Ipiranga to more than double its number of service stations since our acquisition in 2007.

  • Finally, in the bottom-right, we show the significant room for growth in the north, northeast, and mid-west regions of Brazil, a region that we consider the focus for our expansion. At this region, 27% of the market is served by unbranded gas stations, as compared to 21% in the south and southeast, and the volume has been growing at a much faster pace. Due to our expansion strategy in the region, we have already seen significant growth in comparison to the south. Our volumes have grown 13% between 2009 and 2013, and the number of service stations with the brand Ipiranga have grown 22% a year.

  • Moving now to slide 15, we show several factors that have strengthened Ipiranga's attributes of differentiation in convenience and service over the last several years, and I'll mention a few of them to you. One of them was the ZerO-Carbon credit card in 2007, the first credit card in Brazil to which the consumer can neutralize the carbon emissions resulting from the fuel combustion, combining therefore innovation with sustainable practices.

  • With the same mindset, Ipiranga's eco-efficient station provides solutions for sustainable services and technologies in harmony with the profitability of the service station for the reseller. The eco-efficient station includes construction and operation of these stations that results in better efficiency, better efficiency to use resources such as water and electricity power, and the reduction of waste materials and residues.

  • With the status of the largest loyalty programs in Brazil, Kilometers of Advantage is a case of success in our differentiation strategy. With about 17 million participants, it became the main relationship of the platform. Kilometers of Advantage loyalty program was the basis for the launch of also some exclusive products and services in the segment of fuel [resellers], such as the [auction website called] (inaudible) and the first service station on the web which allows the purchase of fuel credits in the Ipiranga portal, allowing you to go to the gas station and not pay with cash.

  • Another initiative which has been developed in a very fast pace, reinforcing the concept of a complete service station, is the AM/PM convenience store and the AM/PM bakeries within the convenience stores, which contributes to an increase in the flow of traffic in the service station and customer loyalty.

  • Third, and finally, we launched last year and have been deploying very fast this year ConectCar. ConectCar is a payment tag for tolls, parking lots, and fuels which recently started to be accepted in all federal highways and therefore increasing its penetration. Another great [differentiator of] ConectCar is that you can have discounts in purchasing fuels at Ipiranga service stations.

  • These initiatives are important to contribute to the service-based differentiation, convenience, and constant innovation. We generate traffic. We create customers that are more loyal and customers that are more satisfied, contributing to the profitability of the operation of the gas station and the profitability of Ipiranga.

  • In slide 16, I'll move on to Oxiteno. Oxiteno has some very well established competitive advantages. It's the sole supplier of ethylene oxide in Brazil. It's the only producer of oleochemicals in Latin America. And it has had a strategy of always having production capacities ahead of the domestic demand, as a deterrent to a potential new entrant.

  • Oxiteno has developed over the years deep knowledge of the ethylene oxide and derivatives technology which is crucial to differentiate ourselves in very dynamic markets with significant product launches such as the industry of cosmetics.

  • We have also over the years increased the development of new applications based on innovation and the use of renewable raw materials, which products with great appeal to the personal care and hygiene industry and have been one of the pillars of our marketing strategy based on technology and innovation.

  • From an historical perspective, 15 years ago Oxiteno sold a little more than 200,000 tons of specialty chemicals a year. Through the years, with significant expansions, last 12 months we have nearly 700,000 tons produced in 11 plants in Brazil and in other four countries, establishing ourselves as the leader in Latin America and selling approximately 90% of our mix is specialty chemicals.

  • With the expansions we had in 2011, we have significant space to accommodate growing demand in Brazil, which tends to grow at two times GDP. And therefore, our strategy is to focus the volumes in Brazil, while at the same time we continue to develop our international strategy in Latin America and more recently in the United States.

  • Moving to slide 17, there are two aspects I would like to highlight in Ultragaz. It's the resilience of the demand and the work that we have done in strengthening the competitive advantages of the company.

  • LPG business has two segments: bottled and bulk. Bottled segment is characterized by extremely resilient volumes. In Brazil, bottled LPG is used basically for cooking. The vast majority of Brazilian stoves are LPG-powered, and therefore the consumption of bottled LPG is viewed a first necessity.

  • As a consequence, its demand is very resilient, and we have had significant tests to that resilience over the last several years. In 2002, for example, we had a 50% increase in the LPG prices and the drop in demand was very small. In 2008, we had the financial crisis, the global financial crisis, and as you can see in the graph, nothing changed in the demand for LPG for bottled segment.

  • Over the last 15 years, Ultragaz has invested in expanding its operating scale, geographical coverage, and presence. In 1999, we held 18% of market share, while in September this year we had 23% market share. In 2009 (sic - see slide 17, "1999"), we operated in 11 states in Brazil, and today we operate in nearly the entire country, covering 24 states.

  • We have invested significantly over the last several years in improving our competitive advantages through innovation in the relationship with customers and resellers. In the bottled segment, we recently launched a free application called Ultragaz Connect, which allows you to buy your LPG through your mobile. The order is directly sent to the Ultragaz vehicle nearest to the consumer and, from there, delivered to your home. It works very similar to the apps of calling a cab, which I'm sure most of you have used.

  • In the bottled segment, we also offered something called [E-Vale Gas], a coupon, electronic coupon, that gives you the rights to exchange to a bottle, making the purchase easier.

  • Also, we are in process of testing a partnership with the Kilometers of Advantage of Ipiranga for Ultragaz customers, and soon Brazilian consumers will be able to use it throughout the country.

  • In the bulk segment, we have focused in certain niche markets and, for example, we have developed a new aerosol propellant spray for products such as deodorants, paints, insecticides, and hairspray. This project benefits from sustainability, since it is a substitute of current propellants in the market which damage the environment.

  • We have also recently developed a new way to carry out our bulk installations. In this model, we have reduced the time to market by approximately one-third. So, in the past, once we had signed a contract with a customer, the overall process of making the installation would take about 30 days; and now, it takes 20 days.

  • Finally, another project which we are quite excited about is the use of digital intelligence to improve our process of prospecting customers, and the focus of the program is to find customers that will have a greater probability of using LPG, a program that is currently focused on residential condominiums and small and medium businesses.

  • On to Ultracargo. When Ultrapar went public in 1999, Ultracargo provided services of storage and transport for chemicals. It was positioned as an integrated logistics company for bulk chemicals. Over the years, we invested in expanding our storage capacity, especially in the Santos, Aratu, and Suape terminals, obtaining scale in this business.

  • At the same time, we made three acquisitions; the largest one was in 2008, Uniao Terminais, which doubled the size of Ultracargo. We also acquired a terminal in the port of Suape, in 2009, and acquired a terminal in the port of Itaqui, in 2012.

  • The bigger participation of the storage business within Ultracargo meant that our capacity of storage went from 189,000 cubic meters to 827,000 cubic meters. And as a consequence, we decided to dispose the transport business and focus on our main competitive advantage, becoming the leader in liquid bulk storage in Brazil with six port terminals, as shown in the bottom-right map, a strategy that we intend to follow, responding to the growth of demand for storage facilities in Brazil.

  • Moving now to Extrafarma, September year to date, as we planned, we finished the integration of the company and made very significant steps in structuring it for more accelerated growth. Among the steps implemented since February, I highlight: first, the centralization in the corporate center of the treasury, accounting, accounts payable, legal, insurance, and auditing activities; second, the exchange of managers and analysts from Ultrapar and its businesses into Extrafarma in order to strengthen its team and facilitate the process, cultural, and functional integration; and third, implementation of payroll remuneration linked to EVA as a mechanism of incentive and alignment -- this is a tool that we use in our other businesses since the last decade, as Thilo mentioned.

  • As to the accelerated expansion of the company, preparing that, we have created teams dedicated to expansion and operations, [taking a greater specialization and] agility in drugstore opening.

  • In addition to the traditional format of drugstores, we'll be opening drugstores in the Ipiranga service stations and Ultragaz reseller shops, and we have more than 12 (sic - see slide 18, "12,000") points of sale between those two.

  • In order to be able to open stores at an accelerated pace, we have invested significant time this year in doing process redesign and standardizing a lot of elements in our shops so that we can open shops in an industrial scale.

  • We have opened a new distribution center last week to support the volume growth, and we have also invested in the development of our store teams. We promoted a program involving the managers of the stores, with the purpose of implementing a culture of entrepreneurialship and owner mindset which is present in other parts of Ultra, and we believe that this kind of mentality will generate improved effectiveness in the management of the stores.

  • And finally, improvement in operating systems during the last few months have been made, resulting in productivity, control, and data analysis improvements and strengthening the structure on which the expansion will be built.

  • In summary, we are on schedule and on track with the preparation activities for expansion of the company, and we will accelerate the pace of new openings still during the fourth quarter.

  • Thank you for your attention. And I will give back to Thilo for his conclusion.

  • Thilo Mannhardt - President & CEO

  • Andre, thank you very much. A couple of last words to the audience and some final considerations.

  • Moving on to slide number 21, I'd like to share with you how we can actually look at our prospectives for the next year. What we did on this chart, we divided it into two parts. On the left-hand side, bringing more detail to businesses who are more directly influenced by GDP. On the right-hand side, we do list parts where other factors are more determining for the future prospectives of our businesses.

  • Economic performance influences mainly the diesel segment at Ipiranga, our domestic sales at Oxiteno, the bulk segment at Ultragaz and the handling of chemicals at Ultracargo. Our businesses are also subject to other factors, such as the expansion of the vehicle fleet, as related to you before, which is related to sales of fuels for light vehicles at Ipiranga, or, depending on the evolution of the demography and the aging of population, which are the main drivers of long-term growth and the resilience in the pharmacy sector.

  • If you turn to slide 22, let me give you a sense of priorities for the coming period. We're looking at expanding the distribution network and the infrastructure of Ipiranga, continuing to focus on the north, northeast, and mid-west of the country which do show growth above national average and have the highest share of unbranded service stations which we can convert. We continue to strengthening the attributes of differentiation in convenience and services at our stations, as already related earlier to you by Andre.

  • At Oxiteno, we will continue to maximize the still open benefits of our expansion in production capacity in Brazil. We will continue to focus on segments with higher growth and where added value is possible, boosting this potential through continuous investment into technology and innovation. And we do continue to implement and execute against the business plans of our international operations.

  • At Ultragaz, we are looking at expanding in niche markets, regions that grow above national average, and special LPG applications. We will also continue to invest into the bulk segments, into the residential portion of it, and continuing to deploy our strategy to serve small and medium-sized companies in different segments. And we continue with actions to improve convenience and services for customers and resellers; Andre told you of some recent developments we were able to test and implement in Brazil.

  • At Ultracargo, we continue to expand existing terminals, capturing the benefits of the growing demand for liquid bulk. We're constantly considering geographic expansions and participation in Brazil's bidding processes for capacity.

  • At Extrafarma, we are now coming to closure in our preparation and will start to accelerate store openings. We will do this initially focusing on expanding our presence in the north and northeast regions of Brazil.

  • All of this does conclude what we had prepared for you, to share with you about Ultrapar to this date, and we are making ourselves available to answer any questions that you might have. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Frank McGann, Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

  • Frank McGann - Analyst

  • A couple of questions. One is in terms of CapEx plans for next year. I'm wondering how you're seeing that now in relation to what's a slower growth environment than perhaps might have been envisioned six months or 12 months ago?

  • And in terms of Ipiranga in 2015, any thoughts on the number of stations that you think you can convert or open and how you see that part of the growth now versus what you might have expected a couple of quarters ago?

  • Thilo Mannhardt - President & CEO

  • We are in the midst -- and have continuously reported this to you and the markets -- of executing our strategies. And we have, and we are going to, execute also on our CapEx assumptions for 2014.

  • Given the strategies and execution, the accelerated growth plan for Extrafarma in 2015, we are still in the midst of modeling and of thinking about our CapEx levels in the process of our budgets discussions. But you can assume that we will stay in the order of magnitude of what is Ultra's normal investment -- in investments magnitude. And I think it is especially supported by the next to last chart which I tried to comment, and giving us some positive outlook given the influential factors on our businesses where only parts of it is by GDP and others are by other factors which do enable a continuous trajectory for Ultrapar.

  • As to Ipiranga, we are keeping the number this year of stations opening somewhere around the 300 to 400 or 300 to 350 mark, gross, and we are looking at the plans for 2015. At this point in time, I don't envision a major step-change down. We are still though looking at what the feasible number is in terms of true opportunities are.

  • Frank McGann - Analyst

  • Okay. Are you seeing that at this stage the number of attractive opportunities is going down? So, it's more and more difficult to find the same sort of material growth that you could get?

  • Thilo Mannhardt - President & CEO

  • No. Given the strategy in the north, northeast, and mid-west and the fact that there is still more than 20% of non-branded, we don't foresee that the opportunities and the range of opportunities will suffer a significant change for next year.

  • Frank McGann - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Christian Audi, Santander.

  • Christian Audi - Analyst

  • First of all, congratulations on these results. Macroeconomic factors have been tough, and it's amazing that you continue to deliver very solid results.

  • I had four questions. The first one, more related to the portfolio of businesses, I was wondering if you could comment a little bit both on the acquisition and divestiture side of things? On the acquisition front, any interest in Mexico at all? You've had a great experience there so far. With the energy reforms, is that attractive to you? Or, not necessarily in the short term?

  • On the divestiture side, I know you continue to rationalize your businesses. Some of them are smaller in nature. I was just wondering what your thoughts were in respect to potential lower investment in some of these smaller businesses?

  • The second question, on return on capital employed, what's the outlook for 2015? You've had an amazing track record of improving returns. Can that continue in this more difficult environment in 2015?

  • Third question, more specific on Ipiranga, what's your outlook given all that's happened -- a weak economy, these price increases for gasoline and diesel -- on what the mix of product between gasoline, ethanol, and diesel may look like, better or worse, vis-a-vis this past year?

  • And the last, are you giving guidance in terms of EBITDA growth for 2015, or not? And if not, do you think it's realistic to think that you can grow EBITDA double digit?

  • Andre Covre - Chief Financial and IR Officer

  • I think at the end of the day, quite a number of them end up focusing on Ipiranga. So, let me give you a broad view on Ipiranga.

  • We have had a year that I consider normal except for one factor. Diesel sales have grown very modestly and some quarters have fallen, given that the economy has been weakening. So, in this weaker environment, we have been able to grow year-to-date EBITDA of Ipiranga by 12%. I mentioned on my speech it was 15% on the first quarter, 9% on the second. If you were to extract from the 9% certain non-recurring events, which I'm sure you remember, order of magnitude, that was also 15%. And third quarter, now, was 13%.

  • So, in the current environment, the current operating environment, that's more or less the level of growth that we have been able to achieve, and we don't see any reason for that trend to change towards 2015. So, the outlook for Ipiranga for 2015 is to continue the trend of 2014. We are assuming that we will continue to have a weak economy; obviously, a strong economy could be an upside.

  • For Oxiteno, I mentioned that with a weaker real that we've seen on the last few weeks, we can expect our EBITDA margins per ton to move from the $228 nine-months year to date to the normalized range, post-expansions, of $230 to $250.

  • At Ultragaz and Ultracargo, the trends that we have seen in the third quarter remain, and we can see them extending to 2015. And therefore, we can expect similar levels of growth in 2015 that we had in the third quarter, for Ultracargo and for Ultragaz.

  • And finally, Extrafarma, because we have invested in a lot of activities this year to prepare for the growth next year, a number of them are non-recurring in nature, and therefore, in 2015 EBITDA will benefit from not having those expenses.

  • So, that gives you business-by-business an outlook which I consider positive in light of the economy that we have, and it's only possible to be positive because of the resilient nature of the business that Thilo went through in one of the pages of his presentation and because we have a governance structure where everyone in the Company is committed to create value and is constantly looking for ways to improve cost, revenues, projects, and et cetera.

  • In terms of acquisitions and divestitures, I think it's probably the only part that I didn't address of your question. Acquisitions are a tool to implement a strategy, and we see it as a relevant tool this moment in Ultracargo as part of the consolidation of the sector. In Ultragaz there are a number of companies that we think will change hands in a period of three to five years. In the case of Oxiteno, in a potential larger step in the United States. And in the case of Ipiranga, we are always open and interested in regional distributor acquisitions, but we have found in the recent past that the organic expansion plan has been more attractive than acquisitions. Finally, on our new, recently acquired business, the focus is on the organic plan, but acquisitions are upsides which we'll be seeking to achieve starting next year.

  • We don't have plans to divesture any of our five divisions. They all are core to our business, and therefore nothing of that nature should be expected next year.

  • Christian Audi - Analyst

  • Great. And just a quick follow-up on Ipiranga, your outlook. Again, given the macro situation, given recent price increases for gasoline and diesel, when we look at the mix of products, do you think it could be more attractive a mix in 2015 than in 2014 when you look at the breakdown between gasoline, diesel, and ethanol?

  • Andre Covre - Chief Financial and IR Officer

  • I think it's reasonable to expect that prices of ethanol will follow the increase in the prices of gasoline. And therefore, that shouldn't result in any meaningful change in the mix between gasoline and ethanol.

  • Second, given that the Otto cycle has a very resilient growth, with the average fleet growing next year probably between 5% and 6%, and consensus GDP growth in Brazil is currently 1%, we should see Otto cycle growing much faster than diesel sales.

  • And that's positive because Otto cycle is sold basically at the gas stations, which is the focus of our strategy and is the most profitable segment of the business. And therefore, we should see a better mix in that way, as we have seen this year.

  • Christian Audi - Analyst

  • And the fact that ethanol, which carries -- correct me if I'm wrong -- a lower margin than gasoline and diesel, will the potential growth in ethanol cause margins to be a little bit weaker in the cycle Otto? Or, it's not significant enough to have an impact?

  • Andre Covre - Chief Financial and IR Officer

  • Given that I think the most reasonable expectation is that the prices of ethanol will rise together with the price of gasoline announced last night, then the relative pricing between the two wouldn't change. And therefore, we shouldn't see a disproportional increase in ethanol sales, and therefore the average margin of Otto cycle would remain.

  • Christian Audi - Analyst

  • Okay. And on the last point, Andre and Thilo, when we look at returns that you've generated on the capital you've employed, you've shown and generated continued improvement. On the face of this more challenging 2015 macro scenario, do you think that that trend can continue this year? Or, it may be plateau for a year, and then we'll have to wait and see what happens in 2016? Or, it could continue to improve?

  • Andre Covre - Chief Financial and IR Officer

  • What I can tell you, Christian, is that investments that we're making in new gas stations and converting gas stations have, on average, a return on capital which is higher than Ipiranga's current return on capital. And second, once we have brought a gas station to our network and its contract expires, the next investment that we make to renew the contract normally has a higher return.

  • So, everything is set for an improvement in returns. Now, obviously, the returns of the year depend in other things. It depends on the behaviors of margins; it depends on the growth of the volume of the year. But structurally, we should see growth in returns over the years, as we have seen on the last few years.

  • Christian Audi - Analyst

  • Okay. And very last one. When you look at the universe of white flag stations that you could convert -- I know it's a difficult question -- but can you give us a sense of, is 50% of the good ones behind us? Are we 70% done with the really good, attractive white flags? Can you try to give us a sense of, or quantify, how much of the good ones are behind us or in front of us?

  • Andre Covre - Chief Financial and IR Officer

  • The best way I can help you on that one, Christian, is that a few years ago, we used to add -- we have been adding for a number of years between 300 and 400 gas stations a year. And a few years ago, it was about 70% conversions/30% new-to-the-market gas stations. And on the recent past, it has been more like 60%/40%.

  • I honestly do not think this is important, because converting a gas station or opening a new one are just different tools to capture market share. As long as we have very good unbranded gas stations, we will convert them. But once we have in the market only, quote, bad-quality gas station, independent gas stations, then instead of converting those, we will open a brand new gas station nearby and capture volume from them.

  • So, this shouldn't be a concern. I've been asked this a few times. And there is someone that has an unfounded concern that the market will run out of attractive gas stations to convert. Well, once the attractive ones have been run out, the unattractive are still there, and it's sufficient to open a gas station -- a good one, close to it -- to grab volume from it.

  • Christian Audi - Analyst

  • Understood. Great. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Andre Sobreira, Credit Suisse.

  • Andre Sobreira - Analyst

  • I have two questions please. Firstly, I would like to understand a little bit more the dynamics in Ipiranga of the non-renewal of a large contract in the diesel side. Was this a very specific event? Or, was this related to the fact that the economy is in a poorer state? The large client switched off to another competitor of yours? Or, did it simply shut down completely, if that's reasonable to assume? I'd just like to understand a little bit the dynamics behind the large-consumer segment in diesel to try to think about it for next year?

  • And the second question, I would just like to understand if you can help us understand your level of maintenance CapEx per business or on a Group basis?

  • Thilo Mannhardt - President & CEO

  • The loss of the one contract clearly attached to the eminent joining of [RLL and Umo], and that has led to the canceling of our RLL diesel volume which is at an order of magnitude of 25,000 cubic meters per month.

  • And this is, in my view, complete natural to-be-expected move when Umo, belonging to [Cosa], is now in negotiations for taking over RLL. So, this is not shutting down or anything; it's just the change of ownership reaction which happens to our contract with RLL.

  • Andre Covre - Chief Financial and IR Officer

  • On your second question, Andre, and without trying to be too precise, the orders of magnitude, maintenance CapEx for Ipiranga, BRL400 million. Oxiteno, around $60 million to $70 million; so, we're talking BRL170 million. Ultragaz, about BRL150 million. Ultracargo, about BRL30 million. And Extrafarma, in its current form, BRL10 million to BRL15 million.

  • So, I guess that gives us less than BRL800 million of maintenance CapEx, and we have a business that generates currently BRL3 billion of EBITDA. So, let's say tomorrow all markets in which we operate stop growing, zero volume growth. Then, we could reduce CapEx to around BRL700 million to BRL800 million, and we'd be generating more than BRL2 billion of cash flow as measured by [EBITDA] minus CapEx.

  • Andre Sobreira - Analyst

  • Perfect. Very helpful, both answers. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Showing no additional questions, this will conclude our question-and-answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back to Andre Covre and Thilo Mannhardt for any closing remarks.

  • Thilo Mannhardt - President & CEO

  • It has been a great pleasure to be able to talk to you and share some of our perspectives of our 15-year journey as a listed Company and some of the details of our results evolution in the third quarter, prospectives for the fourth, and outlook to 2015.

  • Andre and I do say, thank you. Thank you for being with us, and thank you for the trust that you have expended on us for many, may years.

  • Have a great weekend. Bye, bye.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. This concludes today's Ultrapar third quarter 2014 results conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time.