Tutor Perini Corp (TPC) 2010 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the third quarter 2010 Tutor Perini Corporation earnings conference call. My name is Kendal and I'll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. (Operator instructions).

I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Ken Burk, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please proceed.

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us on Tutor Perini's third quarter 2010 conference call. With us today is our Chairman and CEO, Ronald Tutor, and our President, Robert Band.

Before we start, I'd like to remind our listeners that our comments today will contain forward-looking statements, including statements about future guidance. Management may also make additional forward-looking statements in response to your questions. These types of written and oral disclosures are made pursuant to the safe harbor provision contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Investors are cautioned that such forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from anticipated results. The Company cautions that any such forward-looking statements are based upon assumptions that the Company believes are reasonable, but that are subject to a wide range of risks, and actual results may differ materially.

These risks and uncertainties are discussed in detail in our filings with the SEC, including Tutor Perini's annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2009, our definitive proxy statement filed on April 28, 2010, as well as in today's news release.

Our statements on this call are made as of today, November 4, 2010, and the Company undertakes no obligation to update any of these forward-looking statements contained in the call, whether as a result of new information, future events, changes in expectations, or otherwise.

With those formalities out of the way, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Ronald Tutor.

Thanks, Ken. Good afternoon, everyone.

We ended the quarter with a backlog of $4 billion. Major awards during the quarter include a $300 million casino in New York, a $25 million power plant in California, and a $23 million educational facility in Arizona.

Currently, we have approximately $1.1 billion in pending awards, consisting $470 million in power projects, $220 million in hospitality and gaming, $218 million in transportation, $154 million in education, and $60 million in other end markets. These awards are expected to enter our backlog within the next few quarters.

We are especially pleased with our Civil group, whose profit contribution during the quarter has more than quadrupled from the third quarter of 2009. Our Civil group is on track to achieve the margins that we expected. With three-quarters of the year behind us, we still look for our Civil group to provide more than 40% of our operating income for the year.

We estimate the prospective opportunities in our Civil Infrastructure target market to be $20 billion for the remainder of 2010 and 2011. The breakdown of that includes $7.7 billion in mass transit, $6.3 billion in bridges, $3.3 billion in highways, and $2.7 billion of other types of Civil work, including power, rail and water.

In the nonresidential building markets, we continue to see incremental improvement alongside the financial markets and broader economic recovery. For the Building group we have identified and are tracking approximately $27 billion in targeted projects that we could bid in the following years of 2011 and '12. More than $11 billion of these targeted projects are in the public sector, including corrections, education, municipal office, and transportation buildings; transportation buildings being airport terminals and the like.

During the third quarter we continued to make good progress on existing work, including Terminal 3 at McCarran Airport, which is approximately 73% complete and on track for a completion ahead of schedule, as well as the JFK International Airport's Bay Runway job, which should be concluded before December 1, and the Greenwich Quarter at the World Trade Center site, where we have delivered all critical milestones ahead of schedule.

Subsequent to the quarter we closed a $300 million senior unsecured note offering. This additional capital enhances our ability to take advantage of growth opportunities for acquisitions that are available to us in the current market. We have already begun putting this capital to work.

On November 1 we closed the acquisition of Superior Gunite, a California-based construction company specializing in pneumatically placed structural concrete, namely shotcrete and/or gunite. We believe Superior Gunite is a very strong, strategic fit for our company in both the Civil and Building sectors, and enhances our vertical integration in self-performance. Their markets are seismic rehabilitations of tunnels, bridges and building.

In addition, we have signed a letter of intent to acquire another contractor that will complement our Civil and Building operations. The purchase price is $105 million and we expect them to contribute at least $330 million in revenues next year. The closing for this transaction should occur by the end of December.

Now, I'd like Bob Band to share details of our Management Services group.

Thanks, Ron. In the Management Services group, we are continuing to focus on the long-term opportunities in Guam. We have started to see some of the larger proposal opportunities in Guam surface. However, recent reports from the US Environmental Protection Agency and the US Military indicate that progress may be slowed, stretching to 2017 and '18 to consider upgrading the existing infrastructure, specifically wastewater, drinking water and the like.

Given our current position on the island, we anticipate winning new work associated with the infrastructure reinforcement in the near term. Proposal opportunities in Guam include task orders under the $4 billion maximum capacity and definitely delivery -- definitely quantity design/build multiple award contracts. And work under this contract will include wharf repairs and construction aircraft, parking aprons, taxiways, runways and hangars, as well as general and special purpose building.

In addition, the Mamizu Program is a Japanese Government-funded construction program in Guam and it is expected to ultimately exceed $2 billion. We expect meaningful new work awards under these programs during 2011.

Recent awards in the Management Services group include $44 million in task orders for the Department of Interior under an IDIQ contract, and a contract to build a runway in Kosrae in the state of Micronesia with an estimated contract value of $33 million.

Prospects for new work in Iraq and Afghanistan continue on a limited and very competitive basis. We are tracking projects and continuing to build for the US Department of State and Department of Defense in those locations. There projects include overhead cover, additional housing, and helicopter landing facilities in Iraq.

We are also closely tracking the Haiti relief-related projects with various agencies, including USAID, non-governmental agencies, and the local government, which are expected to be bid and awarded in 2011. We've had a representative in Haiti continuously since February, a month after the earthquake.

For the Management Services group, we have identified and are tracking approximately $5.7 billion in targeted projects that we could bid over the next three or four quarters. These include new IDIQ projects worldwide for the US government, and additional task order work under existing IDIQ contracts, and other projects with US multinational firms.

Now, Ken will give you the financial details for the quarter.

Thank you, Bob. Our net income was $30.9 million for the third quarter of 2010, as compared to net income of $26.7 million for the third quarter of 2009. Diluted earnings per share were $0.65 for the third quarter of 2010, as compared to $0.54 for the third quarter of 2009. We ended the third quarter with a backlog of $4 billion, which is down 6% from June 30, 2010.

The breakdown by business group of our backlog at September 30 is as follows. Building is $2.9 billion, Civil $879 million, Management Services $243 million. The backlog of total Building group -- for the Building group by end market type is as follows. Municipal buildings, $886 million; healthcare $855 million; hospitality and gaming, $506 million; transportation facilities, $332 million; education, $143 million; industrial, $64 million; and other building markets, $138 million.

The Civil group backlog breakdown is as follows. Bridges, $316 million; mass transit, $292 million; highways, $244 million; and other Civil work, $27 million. Management Services backlog is predominantly all government contracts.

In the third quarter of 2010, revenues were $731.8 million, a 37% decrease from $1.2 billion reported in the third quarter a year ago.

On a reportable segment basis, revenues from our Building group were $520.6 million, down 49% from $1 billion in the third quarter of 2009 as the result of the substantial completion of large hospitality and gaming work in 2009.

Revenues from our Civil group were $169.9 million, which increased by 134% from $72.6 million reported in the third quarter of '09. The increase is primarily due to the new work acquired in '09 and '10, such as the JFK runway, Greenwich Quarter at the World Trade Center site, and Caldecott Tunnel.

Management Services revenues were $41.3 million, which decreased by 47% from $78.4 million reported in the third quarter a year ago. The decrease is due to a substantial completion of a significant portion of our US Military work in Iraq and the airport runway project we had in Guam.

Our total gross profit increased 6%, or $5.3 million, to $90.7 million from $85.4 million in the third quarter of '09. Most of this increase is due to a greater mix of higher-margin public works projects during the quarter.

G&A expenses were $40.7 million, a decrease of 5% or $2.2 million from $42.9 million in the third quarter of '09. Our current overhead structure will support future growth in our business without significant incremental costs.

We had income from construction operations of $50 million in the third quarter of '10, an 18% increase compared to $42.5 million in the third quarter of 2009. Total operating margins were 6.8% for the third quarter, compared to 3.6% for the same period a year ago.

Breaking down income from construction operations by business group, our Building income -- Building income from construction operations for the quarter was $28.2 million, a decrease of 10.6%, or 27% from $38.8 million in the third quarter of 2009. This decrease was primarily due to the reduced revenue I explained earlier, offset by an increase in operating margins from a higher mix of public works projects during the quarter.

Civil group income from construction operations was $27.3 million in the third quarter of '10, a 333% increase from $6.3 million in the third quarter of '09. This was primarily due to the increase in revenues previously noted and favorable operating performance.

Management Services income from construction operations was $2.9 million in the third quarter of 2010, a decrease of 66% from $8.5 million in the third quarter of '09. This decrease is due to the decrease in revenues discussed above and earlier, and profit increase that we recorded in the previous year.

Looking at our balance sheet at September 30, 2010, our working capital was $351.2 million, up from $303.1 million at December 31, '09. As of September 30 our current ratio was 1.3 to 1, as compared to 1.23 to 1 as of December 31, 2009.

As of September 30, 2010, we had $213.1 million in cash and cash equivalents, compared to $348.3 million at the beginning of the year. The decrease in our cash balance during 2010 is primarily due to timing of receivable collections from CityCenter, $39.4 million of cash used to repurchase 2.2 million shares of our common stock, $23.5 million of restricted cash used to secure insurance-related obligations in lieu of placing more expensive letters of credit, and $20.1 million of cash we used to reduce our debt.

Subsequent to the third quarter end, we have not repurchased any additional shares.

Cash flow used by operating activities during the first nine months of 2010 was $35.9 million. The use of cash was primarily due to the timing of the receivable collections I mentioned earlier, offset by an increase in the volume of work and operating cash flow for the Civil group.

At September 30, long-term debt stood at $79.4 million, excluding the current portion, and we had $304.6 million available to borrow under our credit facilities. On October 20, 2010, we completed a private placement offering of $300 million of 8-year 7.625% senior unsecured notes, which were priced at 99.258% of par, resulting in a yield to maturity of 7.75%.

On October 25, 2010, our Board of Directors declared a special cash dividend of $1.00 per share of common stock, which is payable on November 12th. Stockholders' equity remained consistent at $1.3 billion at both September 30th and December 31, 2009, as the addition to stockholders' equity from our net income was partially offset by a reduction in our equity resulting from the repurchase of our common stock.

We believe that our current financial position and credit arrangements provide us with significant capital resources to meet both our working capital requirements for executing existing and new projects, and our acquisitions that we've looked at on the horizon.

Guidance for earnings per share is estimated to be within the range previously provided of $2.00 to $2.20 per share. We are lowering our revenue guidance from an estimated range of $3.4 billion to $3.9 billion to an estimated range of $3.1 billion to $3.3 billion. The ranges reflect our current view of work in process and new work prospects that could contribute to revenues and profits this year.

Due to a number of project opportunities and acquisitions that are developing, we have decided to provide guidance for our 2011 year during our fourth quarter conference call, which will be held in early March, 2011.

That concludes our prepared remarks. Ron Tutor, Bob Band and I will now take your questions.

(Operator instructions.) Your first question comes from the line of Brandon Verblow with UBS.

Hi. It's Steve Fisher. Good afternoon.

Hi, Steve.

Just a couple of questions on the acquisitions. I wonder if you can talk about whether the intention is to have these be accretive on a GAAP basis in the first year?

The answer is yes.

Okay. And can you just comment at all on the margin structure on those deals relative to your current reporting segments?

They would be similar to our Civil margins, where we would believe they would report. In the net pre-tax of between 7% and 10%.

Okay. That's helpful. And then, I'm just wondering if you can talk a little bit about sort of a risk management as it relates to projects in the Civil sector. We're just wondering if you have a different risk management approach and tolerance as it relates to tunnel projects relative to other types of Civil work.

Well, this is Ron Tutor speaking. I think Caldecott is our 8th tunnel. It's at Tutor-Saliba. And the margins we get today in our tunnel business are so significantly greater than we got in the '80s and '90s. We feel that we're bidding tunnels at safe productions and significant margins to where we don't believe we will bid tunnels where there's any chance of loss. Our margin could be reduced by issues on the job site. But if we believe there's any opportunity for significant change or risk, we just simply don't bid them.

Okay. That's fair. And then a question for Bob. Wondering if you could just talk a little bit more about the timing on the Mamizu awards.

Well, I think -- let's talk in general on the program. The record of decision was filed. I think the EPA is working hand-in-hand with the Military. The concern initially was from the sharp anticipated increase in workforce on the wastewater and drinking water capacity on the island.

The Military's agreed hand-in-hand to use control over the workflow -- the flow of forces coming in, as well as adaptive program management on the timing of the work. So, I think basically that we're looking -- where before we thought the work would go through 2015. It'll probably stretch a little longer and go through '17 and '18. And that's about it.

As far as specific awards on the Mamizu program, I don't have any information on that. Do you, Ron?

The Mamizu program, we have -- the pre-qual goes in in December. There are two C projects that also go in in December, one that exceeds $200 million and the one's approximately $50 million.

As preparatory to the Mamizu project, we have currently a $200 million site development proposal in and a $100 million runway proposal in awaiting decisions. So, the work has in fact started and we believe that, in 2011, it'll begin to gear up. Everything that I've read says it'll peak in '13 and '14, with the kind of significant awards in the range of $1 billion a year and more beginning to take place.

Okay, great. And just a last question maybe for Ken. The 5.4% Building margin, do you think that is a -- there's upside to that, or is that a near-term peak?

Well, I think we're leveling out. We've experienced through the public works side of the Building a very nice contribution. So, I think -- which has heavily contributed through McCarran. So, it's going to level out from this point.

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Your next question comes from the line of Richard Paget with Morgan Joseph. Please proceed.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Hi, Richard.

I wonder if we could talk a little bit more about Guam. You mentioned that the bids that you've seen so far are pretty competitive. In your opinion, what -- I mean, you guys are the incumbent there and pretty much know the cost structure. Do you get the sense that some of the bids coming in might be related to people not necessarily knowing the local area and there might be, I guess, some prematurely low bids coming in the beginning of this whole process?

Well, that's possible. It's hard to conjecture. Many of our competitors have not worked there or understand the difficulties but, since they've awarded the hospital and the pier job, they'll understand them now. And in the final analysis, it's seven or eight years and $10 billion to $14 billion.

There is no question that our position on the island, our workforce, and what we've done there for 50 years, we will play a dominant role, whether it's in the first 6 months or the next 18 months. We'll achieve our work. And people will learn, whether it's the easy way or the hard way, what it costs to do business there.

Okay. And then, you mentioned some contracts in Iraq, but you didn't talk much about Afghanistan. And I know some of your competitors have been saying the situation over there continues to be slow. It's the risk in terms of the contracts that are going out are kind of outside the wire. I wonder what you guys are seeing over there.

Well, we have an outstanding proposal to USAID, a significant proposal for work in Afghanistan, and it does include work outside the wire. So, everybody is focused on the status of using contractors for security over there. But in general, I'd say that significant work will continue in Afghanistan.

In addition, USAID has a worldwide project that we've submitted our quals for on containerized housing. It could be used all over the world. It could be used in Haiti or Afghanistan. So, I think there's significant opportunity that remains. Again, the pricing has to reflect the risk.

Okay. And then, finally, Ken, you kind of talked a little bit about the new expectations for lower revenues for the balance of the year, and it was a combination of work in hand, as well as prospects that you might get in the fourth quarter. Which kind of weighted more, was it existing backlog that might be moving a little bit slower, or was it the bid process that was the main delta there?

Well, it's really just timing related, Richard. I mean, it's not related to existing work because we have really very little surprises in terms of schedule and where we are. So, I would say that it's all timing related to new business.

Alright, thanks. I'll get back in queue.

(Operator Instructions.) You have a question from the line of Avi Fisher with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Hi. Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Hi, Avi.

I have a handful of questions here. First of all, the 200 -- there's a power project you announced. Was it $470 million?

Yes. That's in the category of pending awards.

In pending awards. Are you bidding projects again with O&G? Do you have another -- is this a JV--.

No, that's a sole Tutor Perini project.

Okay. And what's -- I mean, you've been in the power market before substantially. Haven't been in a while. What's driving you back into it and how should we think about the dynamics of that market relative to the rest of it?

It's a major market. There are opportunities all over the country. They're jobs of substance. They're not what we would call particularly difficult. They require large companies like ourselves, with an expertise. It fits into our Civil mechanical and electrical capacities.

It's really an ideal market for us to go back into on a large scale. The margins are good. We think we manage the risks in such a way -- the risks -- there is much power presentation as it is construction. So, we think it's a good market for us. We think we will be in it on a large scale, and continue to explore it on a national basis.

And what's your target? Is it natural gas, coal and what -- I mean, if you could talk about the fuel and the sizes that you're targeting.

It really doesn't matter to us, it still goes back to the generation of power, regardless of where it stems from. It's all delivering that, the sizeable equipment that we know and we set in a civil atmosphere. It really doesn't matter whether it's fossil fuel, coal, natural gas. It really isn't that different.

Is there any solar or wind in these pending awards?

No. But there is solar. We have really not done anything in wind. But we -- as you may recall, we're building the Solyndra solar manufacturing facility.

Right.

And with that capacity here in the US, we're hoping that solar paneled power will begin to go, at which point we'll commence to bid that.

Gotcha.

And again, that's all electrical driven, which fits with our strategy of having electrical capacity.

Okay. And then just a few quick other questions. This acquisition you're making, Superior Gunite, will you use them to replace Johnson on the Caldecott Tunnel?

No, they own Johnson Western. They're one and the same.

Okay.

So in fact, whatever margins they had working for us as a sub, we'll now absorb.

So, this is a similar -- I mean, obviously it's a different company, but a similar situation as buying -- was it Desert Plumbing where you captured more of the margin of your subs?

Yes, very much so. And this is also very strategic, because in the shotcrete and gunite business they're three times the size nationally of any of their peers and such a leader in that industry that we can utilize them for not only shotcrete in our tunnels but, as I said earlier, in the structural rehab of buildings, and in structural civil rehab. So to us, they -- although they may not be as large as maybe we would like, they're very strategic in their technical application to all our various types of work. So, we're excited about them. They really have no peers in the structural shotcrete or gunite business in the US.

Does that mean -- I mean, is there an opportunity for you where, if they can be -- can they be a sub on other competitor's bids? I mean, not where you're bidding, but where--?

They'll still sell their services just like both Desert Plumbing and Powerco Electric does, because they're so dominant in their industry and they have a lot of very positive relationships other than us. They've been doing this for 50 years in California. So, my guess is they will continue on with all their customers who, in effect, are our competitors, but will also do more and more work for us as we drag them all over the country in our other opportunities.

Gotcha. In terms of guidance, you're maintaining your 2010 guidance. It implies, obviously, a weak sequential 4Q. Is that a function of seasonality? Is it being conservative? Is there something else going on?

No, there's really nothing more going on beyond what I've explained to Richard earlier. So, there's no seasonality impact there.

Okay. I'll check in on the transcript. I apologize. My call was slightly interrupted for a bit.

In terms of the projects you're working on, I don't know what the technical term is but, from my view, they tend to be fairly young, whereas you're less than 10% complete, or around 10% complete on the Caldecott. You've had some scope add on Greenwich, which sort of has changed the scope profile there. Antlers is still less than I think 10% complete. As these projects mature, does the margin profile change at all?

Well, for one, you talk about Greenwich. Greenwich is about 80%, 85% complete, as JFK is 95% complete.

Okay.

They're done and predictable and there's not going to be any surprises. And our margins on those projects, as low as we were, which I'm sure you recall, you pointed it out to me at the time. Those margins were significantly enhanced during the course of the work. I'd say across the board on both we added at least 50% again to the original margin.

You're right about Antlers and Caldecott. It's too early to be predictable, other than we are in about 15% into the tunnels at Caldecott. Probably within three to six months we'll have a reasonable understanding of margin on Caldecott. Otherwise, it's a job that is currently going as planned with a significant margin and, hopefully, we'll bring it home.

Gotcha. And then one final question. You had the debt offering, you had the dividend. I'm curious as to -- I guess I'm curious as to your thinking of why you did the debt issuance, why you did the dividend -- and why you did the dividend.

Well, we did the dividend because, for the last five years, our shareholders, not including me, have been hitting us for dividends because we're so cash rich. And on top of the bond issue, which we floated primarily to support some significant acquisitions we have in mind, it just became apparent with other issues that it was time to address the dividends to our shareholders. And we did it with what we thought was a relatively conservative approach of $1.00.

Gotcha. And then, regarding the bonding, there was a time, maybe a year and a half ago, that I think you were a guarantor on some surety. Has that been completed and--?

The only thing I was a guarantor on was the $1.2 billion--.

McCarran.

Terminal 3 at McCarran. And frankly, that was because the sureties wanted some support and I gave it to them. And I haven't done it since, nor is it necessary, or could I expect it would ever happen again.

Okay.

If you recall, that was required because it was literally in-between the time we announced the merger with Tutor-Saliva and the time we were closing. So, that was in--.

That's right. It was in that transition.

Yes, right in-between. Otherwise, it would have never happened.

And there's no expectation you'll need to do that again (inaudible)?

No.

No.

Okay. Thanks for the color.

Okay.

Your next question comes from the line of John Rogers with D.A. Davidson. Please proceed.

Hi. Good afternoon.

Hey, John.

Hi, John.

Just in terms of the acquisitions again, the one that you've signed a letter of intent for but haven't announced, with $300 million in revenue at $105 million, how does that compare to Superior Gunite just in terms of revenue and price? Can you give us a sense of that? I'm curious how much of the $300 million is left.

Well, you can figure it out. One is $105 million and the other's $33 million.

Okay. Okay.

I'm sure you could do the math. We've told you what Superior does.

Yes. I'm more curious in what you--.

It's really--.

In how much more do you expect to invest in acquisitions?

Significantly more.

Okay. And in terms of the Civil opportunities that are out there, the -- you've got another big tunnel project I know that you're pursuing out there. What else in terms of large projects that you see? I mean, are you tending to see even larger ones now?

We're seeing so many large projects we're overwhelmed. We're trying to put together our final team on the Goethals Bridge in New York. It exceeds $1 billion. We have a team together in Fort Lauderdale for bridges and a new runway. That's almost $800 million. We're putting a team together for the Gerald Desmond Bridge in Long Beach. That's $800 million. It just goes on and on. We're overwhelmed with very large projects.

And Ron, are these going to be JVs or solely--?

Yes--.

Tutor Perini?

No, they'll be JVs. Normally, any Civil job over $500 million - $600 million we joint venture. For example, we're awaiting the results on the Seattle Tunnel. We think we have a very good opportunity. The job is well over $1 billion. There's only two bidders, us and a Spanish company against another Spanish company and an Italian company. So, there's just a number of very large opportunities. And when those opportunities get that large, there typically isn't a lot of competition.

Okay. And the last thing, just as it relates to the lower fourth quarter numbers, and as I think about it giving you the preponderance--.

Well, fourth quarter we haven't reported yet.

No, I know. But -- sorry, your guidance.

I understand.

The -- should we expect to see more seasonality in your business as Civil accounts for a larger portion of it?

It's possible. There are certain parts of the country -- we work through the winter typically in Civil work, but it does impact the amount of work we can accomplish. It will vary with the job. But I think -- let's assume that the Civil business grows to be half of our annual revenue. There's some part of that that will be impacted during the four months of distinct winter. We won't stop, but it'll reduce revenue. And if you reduce revenue, knowing our margins in Civil, it defers profit. But I think we'll always take in in our predictions.

Okay. And just a last thing. In terms of your negotiations, relations with MGM, anything new there in terms of the timing update amount?

Absolutely. The progress is just delightful. They have now paid out more than $170 million to our subcontractors and continue to settle every day. And if anybody from MGM is listening to the call, keep up the good work. I'll we waiting at the end of the rainbow.

Okay. And -- sorry, what's your receivable now from MGM and will that be in the Q?

Ken's waving me off.

We have -- we're just -- we're about $303 million right now.

Okay.

So, it's down from where we were at originally, $491 million.

Yes. Okay. Thank you very much.

Not at all.

Your next question comes from the line of Kalpesh Patel with Jefferies & Company. Please proceed.

Hello?

Kalpesh, your line is open.

Kal, you on the line?

Can you hear me?

Yes, we can hear you, Kal.

Okay. Sorry about that.

That's alright.

The end of the rainbow, huh, Ron? That's pretty funny.

Well, we'll be waiting.

Right. Yes, that was actually one of my questions I was going to ask, what that number was up to. So, you said $170 million of the subcontractors have already been paid?

Yes.

Yes.

Gotcha.

And they're continuing in negotiation; negotiating feverishly every day that we see.

Gotcha. I wanted to clarify. You guys talked about some proposals that you have outstanding in Guam. Did you say a $200 million site proposal and a $100 million runway proposal? Is that--.

Yes.

That's correct.

Were those the only two?

That's correct.

Those are the only two you have right now?

Those are the only two and we're preparing two more sizeable ones for delivery in December.

And that's into the Mamizu proposal and you said that's $200 million and $50 million, right?

Yes.

Okay. I just wanted to get those numbers right. And also, with the -- some other projects in US Civil, you said a New York bridge for $1 billion.

Yes, we're--.

Fort Lauderdale runway for $800 million?

Correct.

And then, what was the third one?

Gerald Desmond Bridge in Long Beach. That was the $800 million.

And that was -- okay. Okay. Have you noticed -- I mean, I guess in the US, has the bidding environment gotten more competitive at all, or--?

Not at all in the larger work, as I continue to try to explain. There is no one that can compete more. We have foreign competitors that come in from Europe, and we have a limited number of our US peers who are very good, but we're all limited. So typically, on a job over $500 million, it will vary between one and two competitors. So, maybe there's three bidders, maybe there's two bidders. As often as not, there's two bidders.

Right. I just didn't know if the bidders that you're competing against were being more aggressive in their process. I guess that was my question--.

No. No.

Not the number of bidders.

Common sense will tell you, when there's very limited competition, it doesn't make a lot of sense to get that competitive.

Okay.

Not if profit is your primary motive.

Gotcha. And in terms of the acquisition that you concluded, you said that was $33 million is the price that you paid for them, right?

That's correct

Okay. Just wanted to get that number right. That's all the questions I had. Thank you.

Thank you, Kal.

Not at all.

Your next question comes from the line of Philip Volpicelli with Deutsche Bank.

Good afternoon.

Hey, Phil.

When you guys discussed your $1.00 dividend, the press release said that you may consider an annual dividend policy going forward. Can you give us a little bit more color on that? Do you plan to have an annual or a quarterly dividend going forward?

We're not prepared to comment. It was a special dividend. We'll take it up next year with our Board.

Okay. Can you give us an update on further acquisitions? You clearly now have some dry powder. You've closed the two you talked about on the road show. Are there any more that are in the near term and are they of the same size or larger or smaller?

We're looking and having some preliminary discussions on a couple of potential acquisitions that are significantly larger than the $300 million revenue transaction, which of course will require significantly more capital, but are much more dramatic and strategic. The only question will be is when and if we will be successful.

Would that mean you'd be drawing on your credit facility to close those, or would you have--?

Well, we've got bond capital. Remember we have a substantial amount of cash in addition. And there are other avenues. We think we've got enough dry powder remaining, even after the $100 million acquisition closed in December to make two significant -- over the next 18 months to make two very significant acquisitions considerably more sizeable than the $105 million we're paying for the contractor based in Texas.

Okay, great. And then just the depreciation and amortization in the quarter? I didn't see that anywhere in the release.

Depreciation and amortization for the quarter was $7.5 million and CapEx was $7.6 million if you want to know that.

Great. Thank you very much.

(Operator Instructions.) And you have no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Ken Burk for closing remarks.

No further remarks to close with. Thank you all for joining us on the call today.

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.