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  • Operator

  • Welcome to Teladoc's Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast.

  • (Operator Instructions) It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Kelsey Turcotte, Vice President of Investor Relations.

  • Kelsey, you may begin your conference.

  • Kelsey Doherty Turcotte - VP of IR

  • Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone.

  • I'm Kelsey Turcotte, Vice President of Investor Relations at Teladoc.

  • Joining me for Teladoc's conference call this evening are Jason Gorevic, our Chief Executive Officer; and Mark Hirschhorn, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer.

  • We look forward to discussing our second quarter 2018 results with you today.

  • Today, after the market closed, we issued a press release announcing our second quarter 2018 results and filed Form 10-Q.

  • The release and filing are available in the Investor Relations section of teladoc.com.

  • As a reminder, Teladoc intends to avail itself of the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

  • Certain statements made during this call will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of that law.

  • These forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause Teladoc's actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements.

  • For additional information on the risks facing Teladoc, please refer to our filings with the SEC.

  • We'll start today's call with brief prepared remarks followed by Q&A.

  • Today's call will also contains certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe are important in evaluating our performance.

  • For more details on these measures, the most comparable GAAP measures and a reconciliation of the two, please refer to the press release posted on teladoc.com.

  • I will now turn the call over to Jason.

  • Jason?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Thanks, Kelsey, and thank you all for joining the call this evening to discuss our second quarter results.

  • I want to start the call by welcoming Kelsey Turcotte who has joined the Teladoc team as Vice President of Investor Relations.

  • We're very pleased to have her aboard, and I'm certain that our investors will quickly appreciate her professional approach to IR.

  • We saw continued strong performance in the second quarter of 2018, and I'm very pleased with our progress.

  • Some of the highlights include revenue for the quarter of $94.6 million, which includes a month of contribution for Advance Medical.

  • This represents growth of 112% over the second quarter of 2017.

  • And Mark will provide details of our strong organic growth results if you exclude the Advance Medical contribution.

  • Gross margins of 71% came in on plan and reflect the growing significance of our burgeoning behavioral health business.

  • Sequentially, margins improved from our first quarter's 70% and decreased as compared to the 78% margins in the second quarter of 2017 as a result of our overall mix shift.

  • Adjusted EBITDA of $2.7 million exceeded our expectations; strong visit volume of approximately 533,000 total visits in the quarter, which represented growth of 72%; U.S. paid membership of 22.5 million members, representing growth of 48%; and our average per member per month was $1 compared to $0.63 for the same period last year, representing a 58% increase.

  • Mark will provide more details on our strong financial results.

  • But first, before that, I'd like to focus on a few key developments for the company.

  • We're now 60 days into the integration of Advance Medical, and I couldn't be happier with our progress.

  • We're ahead of schedule on the integration of our U.S. businesses and have made significant strides with respect to the integration of people, clients and processes.

  • Very importantly, we're seeing strong demand from our U.S. clients for Global Care on Demand, which provides virtual care seamlessly around the world.

  • We're also taking this opportunity to review our best practices and ensure the best of the best is leveraged across our entire organization.

  • We've also made excellent progress in Europe where we're focused on orienting our respective clients to the full scope of services available from the combined organization, and the reception has been extremely strong.

  • Finally, on this topic, I was with the team in Spain just 2 weeks ago, and I'm very pleased with the cultural integration and the sense of teamwork between the 2 organizations.

  • Second, I'd like to comment on our selling season.

  • Our pipeline of opportunities is very active and stronger than it was at this time last year.

  • This is also our first selling season with a full scope of services ranging from general medical to expert medical opinion, and it has been very evident in pitches that our differentiated approach is being well received in the market.

  • We saw a number of significant win-backs and competitive takeaways in the quarter.

  • For example, there is a large Fortune 100 national employer that had shifted most of their business to a competitor for a lower price several years ago.

  • Due to their inability to achieve the utilization goals they'd hoped to achieve, they have come to realize the value proposition of Teladoc's surround sound engagement strategy and has selected Teladoc as their sole virtual care provider.

  • Lastly, our progress continues with respect to bringing a comprehensive virtual care solution to help clients who are now prioritizing virtual care as a core component of their strategy.

  • One slight disappointment in the quarter was the delay of the bulk of the TRICARE business.

  • While we were fully prepared for the full launch and, in fact, we did launch a small portion of the relationship in the second quarter, the government has decided on a slower rollout strategy than originally communicated.

  • They are moving forward with us rolling out this service in a focused geography, and we expect that this will lead to the previously anticipated larger national rollout in 2019.

  • Fortunately, strength in other parts of our business offset any potential impact of the TRICARE delay, which speaks to the diversification of our revenue streams.

  • On the positive side from the federal government, we were very pleased with the announcement from CMS 2 weeks ago regarding their payment policies for telehealth.

  • CMS announced that they would begin paying for telehealth services and virtual visits for the Medicare fee for service populations.

  • While we were expecting this for the Medicare Advantage plans, the inclusion of telehealth in Medicare's fee for service and the physician fee schedule came earlier than we anticipated.

  • This is a meaningful step forward in CMS' increasing support of telehealth as a valuable component of the delivery system and a way to improve the quality and access to care for seniors.

  • Yesterday, we announced that we will adopt a new corporate brand, Teladoc Health, to better reflect our broad portfolio of services and our mission to transform how people access care around the world.

  • The company's award-winning member experience brands, Advance Medical, Best Doctors, BetterHelp, HealthiestYou and Teladoc, will unify under this new corporate name.

  • Under a single corporate brand, we will realize benefits of our scale, maximize our corporate reputation around the world and strengthen our market clarity and differentiation by clearly reflecting our position as the global leader in virtual care.

  • This will allow us to go to market as a unified corporate brand offering multiple service bundles, which can include all or some of the legacy brands.

  • Finally, before I turn the call over to Mark, I wanted to comment on the strong reception to our equity offering last week.

  • I'm very pleased with the market response to the offering.

  • The additional capital on the balance sheet gives us increased flexibility with respect to retiring some of our existing convertible debt.

  • While we have no LOIs outstanding, and we are not involved in any M&A process, we certainly have plenty of capacity for opportunistic M&A in the future.

  • With that, I'm happy to turn the call over to Mark to go into greater detail with respect to our financial results.

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Thank you, Jason, and good afternoon, everyone.

  • I'm incredibly pleased with what we've accomplished from an operational as well as a financial perspective this quarter.

  • And on the call this afternoon, I'll dig a bit deeper into those strong financial results that Jason referenced earlier.

  • Advance Medical, which we acquired in June, contributed $6.2 million in revenue for the quarter, bringing our total revenue for the quarter to $94.6 million, a 112% increase year-over-year.

  • On an organic basis, which excludes the contributions from Best Doctors and Advance Medical, our quarterly revenue grew 39%.

  • Revenue from subscription fees increased 113% from the second quarter of 2017 to $79.8 million.

  • Going a bit deeper, subscription fees from the U.S. accounted for $65.1 million, 82% of total access fees, and international subscription fees accounted for the remaining 18% or $14.7 million.

  • For the second quarter, subscription access fee revenue accounted for 84% of total revenue.

  • As of the end of the second quarter, U.S. paid members totaled 22.5 million members, an increase of 48% compared to last year after adjusting for 5.2 million Aetna and Amerigroup lives, which are now classified as visit fee only individuals.

  • As a reminder, our definition of members includes just U.S. paid members that are associated with the PEPM or PMPM or paid U.S. membership.

  • And under this definition, membership totals do not include visit fee only access individuals.

  • At the end of Q2, we had approximately 9.6 million individuals with visit fee only access to our services, including those individuals from the Blue Cross Blue Shield federal employee program and Aetna's fully insured population.

  • As Jason mentioned, the government has decided on a slower rollout strategy for the additional 9 million TRICARE visit fee only population that we anticipated going live in Q2.

  • While we do not anticipate the full rollout into 2019, this will not affect our financial outlook for the year.

  • For the full first half of 2018, our average per employee per month, or PEPM, was $1 compared to $0.63 in the second quarter of 2017, or $0.78 on a pro forma basis.

  • Moving on to utilization, which we calculate as total visits divided by Teladoc's paid U.S. membership for those members with access to our general medical services.

  • During the second quarter, Teladoc completed 533,000 visits.

  • That's an increase of 72% from the year-ago period.

  • This represents an annualized utilization rate of 8% in the quarter and approximately 200 basis point increase from the 6.1% we experienced in the second quarter of 2017.

  • In terms of visits, we segment them into visits from U.S. paid membership and visits from visit fee only access.

  • Visits from U.S. paid membership totaled approximately 436,000 visits.

  • Going one level deeper into the U.S. paid membership visits, 218,000 or 44% of these visits were paid, while the remaining 277,000 visits were delivered under our visits-included contracts.

  • In addition to those 277,000 visits, we also completed 36,000 visits for individuals with visit fee only access.

  • The company generated $12.9 million in visit fee revenue from general medical visits, representing an 81% increase from the second quarter of 2017.

  • The U.S. paid membership visits generated $10.2 million in revenue.

  • And drilling down a level further, the remaining $1.9 million of visit revenue can be attributed to other specialty visits, which is primarily comprised of expert medical and commercial behavioral health services.

  • Gross margins of 71% was nearly the same as the first quarter of this year and on plan with our expectations.

  • While the quarter's margin decreased as compared to the 78% margins in the second quarter of 2017, the mix shift in our evolving business, specifically the strong behavioral health and Advance Medical's results, will lead us to gross margins moderating to approximately 65% for the remainder of this year.

  • Total operating expenses in the quarter came in at $77 million, representing a 66% increase from the $46.4 million in Q2 of 2017.

  • Eliminating the impact of principally noncash charges such as stock compensation, depreciation and amortization, our Q2 2018 operating expenses, less integration-related costs and a gain on the sale of some noncore contracts, were $64.2 million or 68% of revenue, which compares favorably to the 89% of revenue or $39.7 million in operating expenses in Q2 of 2017.

  • On the last earnings call, we told you that we were confident in our outlook for positive adjusted EBITDA throughout the remainder of 2018, and we delivered on that in the second quarter.

  • Adjusted EBITDA came in at $2.7 million for the quarter compared to an adjusted EBITDA loss of $5.1 million a year ago.

  • Net loss in the quarter was $25.1 million compared to a net loss of $15.4 million last year.

  • Net loss per share was $0.40 which, adjusted for the acquisition costs and the sale of certain noncore contracts, would have been $0.37, within the guidance we issued in May and compares to a similarly adjusted Q2 2017 net loss per share of $0.24.

  • Turning to the balance sheet.

  • We ended the quarter with approximately $132 million in cash and short-term investments.

  • Our cash balance today, after giving effect to last week's offering, is approximately $450 million.

  • Our total debt as of the end of the quarter was $562.5 million, which consists of our 2 convertible note issuances, the $275 million 3% convertible notes that mature at the end of 2022 and the $287.5 million 1 3/8% notes that mature in 2025.

  • Our GAAP presentation of this debt appears as approximately $400 million as it is net of the equity component of these securities in our consolidated financial statements.

  • With that, I would like to provide our outlook for the third quarter of 2018, in which we currently expect total revenues between $106 million and $108 million; an EBITDA loss between $7 million and $9 million; adjusted EBITDA between $4 million and $6 million; total U.S. paid membership of approximately 23 million to 23.5 million members; and individuals with visit fee only access between 9.6 million and 9.7 million individuals; total visits between 600,000 and 650,000 visits; and a net loss per share based on 68.3 million weighted average shares outstanding is expected to range from a loss of $0.37 to a loss of $0.39 per share.

  • Given the acquisition of Advance Medical, for the full year 2018, we now expect total revenue between $405 million and $410 million; an EBITDA loss between $36 million and $40 million; adjusted positive EBITDA between $11 million and $13 million; total U.S. paid membership of approximately 23 million to 24 million members; and visit fee only access available to approximately 10 million individuals; total visits between 2.5 million and 2.6 million visits; and a net loss per share based on $66 million weighted average shares outstanding is expected to range from $1.48 to $1.52.

  • This marks another strong quarter for Teladoc as our business continues to fire on all cylinders.

  • As always, I want to thank the entire Teladoc team for their ongoing effort and the outstanding work they do for this organization as we evolve and develop ways to deliver virtual health care services globally.

  • Thank you all for joining us this afternoon.

  • And with that, we'll open it up to questions.

  • Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Lisa Gill from JPMorgan.

  • Lisa Christine Gill - Senior Publishing Analyst

  • Jason, let me just start with a couple of comments that you made in your prepared comments, first, around the selling season.

  • You talked about the pipeline opportunity being substantially bigger than last year.

  • And I know every year, at August, I ask you this question, but is there any way to quantify what you see as the pipeline for 2019, would be my first question.

  • And then secondly, your comments around CMS, them paying for virtual visits.

  • I know we talked in the past about the expectation around MA.

  • But with Medicare fee for service now being part of that, is there a way to quantify that opportunity as well?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Yes, thanks, Lisa.

  • A couple of things on the selling season.

  • We just finished actually our monthly pipeline review, which is a very rigorous process that we run throughout our commercial organization, and the pipeline is stronger than it's ever been before.

  • We are very pleased with both the volume and the size of the opportunities across our segments.

  • I'm not going to give you a percentage relative to prior years, but I can say that it's both, just sort of on an absolute basis, significantly larger than it was in prior years as well as in line with our expectations relative to our long-term growth projections.

  • Lisa Christine Gill - Senior Publishing Analyst

  • And then on the CMS side, any color that you could give us there?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Yes.

  • So I would say the CMS proposed reimbursement plans and guidance is very strong symbolically.

  • It's sooner than we expected with respect to the Medicare fee for service.

  • Obviously, we were expecting them to move forward on the MA population.

  • Fee for service, I think, provides us with an opportunity to support our providers in providing telemedicine service for their Medicare fee for service members because they're already patients of theirs, and now they'll be able to be reimbursed by CMS for providing telehealth services.

  • With respect to us going out on a direct-to-consumer basis to the -- and the Medicare fee-for-service population, I don't foresee that in our short term.

  • That's obviously, we would have to do direct-to-customer acquisition in order to do that.

  • And today, that's probably not a strong economic proposition for us.

  • But I do think it will provide more wind in the sails for our provider-focused business where we provide Platform as a Service.

  • And then I think lastly -- sorry, lastly, just if I round out the comments there, it bodes very well for what we've been expecting for the MA business, and we're still bullish on that.

  • That's obviously more in the traditional sweet spot of what we do.

  • And in addition to that, we were pleased to see the recent passage through the House of the HSA changes where that will provide for the exemption of certain services from the HSA regs, and we think telehealth will be -- was likely to be one of those, should that make it through the Senate as well.

  • Lisa Christine Gill - Senior Publishing Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then just my follow-up would be, Mark or Jason, if I just look at the new annual guidance, both revenue and EBITDA, and then I take what -- you previously have told us what the expectations were for Advance Medical.

  • It implies that your underlying trends are stronger than what they were previously.

  • So one, can you just talk to what you're seeing around the trends and if I'm looking at that correctly?

  • And then secondly, you had made a comment that the delay in TRICARE would not really impact 2018.

  • But should we think that it would potentially impact the way to think about 2019?

  • I just want to make sure I understand the both of those.

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Lisa, it's Mark.

  • With respect to revenue, we are having a very, very solid year.

  • So we've absorbed that apparent delay in the TRICARE business.

  • And with the strength from the other channels, we were still able to increase the lower end of the range and obviously increase the upper end of the range without including any contributions from Advance Medical.

  • Very similar to the adjusted EBITDA side as well, we're thinking of an adjusted EBITDA contribution of about $2 million from Advance Medical.

  • So you would suggest also that there's about a 10% increase in the upper end of the range on an organic basis for adjusted EBITDA as well.

  • So both would have benefited from the earlier start of that TRICARE business.

  • But again, we'd expect those to roll in, in 2019, we just would have had an even stronger 2018.

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • And then, Lisa, with respect to my comments on the pipeline relative to our expectations, that's accounting for the delay in the TRICARE business.

  • So we don't think that that's going to have an impact on our 2019.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Sean Dodge from Jefferies.

  • Sean Wilfred Dodge - Equity Analyst

  • Jason, maybe going back to your comments about the pipeline being up significantly, is it because you're engaging in discussions with larger players, so there are more deals that are just covering a bigger number of members?

  • Or is it because you're having more discussions involving selling a broader swath of Teladoc capabilities as part of those deals?

  • Or is it just simply like a combination of both of those?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Yes.

  • Fortunately, the answer is both.

  • We're seeing across multiple segments increased number of opportunities and the fact that those opportunities both in terms of membership is strong as well as the number of products and, therefore, the revenue per client that we can expect.

  • Sean Wilfred Dodge - Equity Analyst

  • Got it, okay.

  • And then, I guess on Advance Medical, you mentioned fast progress so far on the integration there.

  • Can you give us a quick update on what are the first couple of things you're focused on there, near-term levers you're pulling to drive some revenue performance?

  • Is the emphasis still on appealing more to the large national employers and anything anecdotally you can share with us, their early wins, encouraging discussions, anything like that?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Yes.

  • So first point of integration is sales where we have the opportunity to bring the sales forces together and cross sell products.

  • Second is bringing those products together and rolling out Global Care on Demand to a broader population and bringing that into some of the markets where Teladoc has traditionally been strong but Advance Medical may not have had as much of a footprint.

  • And then third, we're really focused on bringing together the teams in the U.S. from an operational perspective.

  • We're pleased at this point, both in the multinational employers base where we see a lot of interest for that Global Care on Demand product, as well as I've spent time personally with some of our international clients on the insurance side where we see a lot of opportunity to cross sell products.

  • And just as an example, I was in Spain with 2 of the largest clients of Advance Medical, and there are multiple products in the Teladoc portfolio that would be high-value for those insurance companies.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Donald Hooker from KeyBanc Capital Markets.

  • Donald Houghton Hooker - VP and Equity Research Analyst

  • Great.

  • I wanted to hear a little bit, it seems like utilization has picked up.

  • I guess, you've had 2 quarters in a row of strong utilization.

  • And I know we're all focused on that digital marketing strategy that you rolled out.

  • In the past, I think you've talked about kind of, correct me if I'm wrong, well maybe 50 to 100 basis points of utilization increases.

  • I mean going forward, are we kind of in a different regime here?

  • Should we start thinking about sort of more utilization increases?

  • How do we think about that?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • I'll start, and then I'll hand it to Mark to go and give a little bit about what we're seeing into the future.

  • No question, we're seeing the benefit of our surround sound engagement platform and really the analytics we put behind it in order to maximize the yield that we get for our dollars spent there.

  • We're very pleased with the utilization that we saw in the second quarter, and we feel good about where we are for the rest of the year which, of course, gave us the confidence to adjust our guidance for the back half and the full year.

  • I don't know, Mark, if you want to comment on what we see on a future basis.

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Yes, I think, the fact that we picked up our guidance for the second half of the year by over 200,000 visits would suggest that even in the periods where there's less activity in those second and third calendar quarters, we find that the lows are obviously increasing.

  • So we're seeing more activity compared to the prior years where the growth, as we noted, would be somewhere around 100 basis points, we exhibited closer to 200 basis points year-over-year.

  • I think the highs are going to be higher, and those lows, quite frankly, are going to be picking up each quarter-over-quarter.

  • So we're just seeing all the good signs that would suggest that utilization ramp would likely exceed prior guidance.

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • I guess, just one thing I would add is that our clients are noticing, too.

  • So both clients and prospects are seeing the difference of our engagement, our utilization, and it's helping us with our selling season right now.

  • Donald Houghton Hooker - VP and Equity Research Analyst

  • Got you.

  • And maybe on a different front, I guess, any updates on that Aetna contracts that we're all following?

  • I think you talked about it being revenue-neutral this year and sort of revenue-accretive next year versus your original contract.

  • Are we still on good pace there?

  • Can you maybe give us some incremental detail there?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Absolutely.

  • We are still tracking slightly ahead of our projections.

  • Utilization, visit volume this year is up roughly 60% over last year, which is very, very good for us.

  • Obviously, from a revenue perspective, we get a lot more leverage with more visits, and so we're very pleased with how that contract is progressing.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Jamie Stockton from Wells Fargo.

  • James John Stockton - Director & Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • I guess, maybe to start with the Medicare stuff that Lisa was touching on earlier.

  • Maybe with the fee for service, Jason, how do you think about Medicare's long-term approach here?

  • Because it seems like they're kind of initially saying, "Hey, we'll pay for some quick touching base type appointments." Have you had any conversations with anyone at CMS?

  • Or is anyone in the industry have any insight into whether or not that's going to expand notably in the next 2 or 3 years?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • So there's little question in my mind, Jamie, that the -- that CMS will continue to expand the scope of its coverage for telehealth services.

  • And I think if you look at the chronic care management reimbursement that they rolled out, I guess, last year, and then you put that together with the telehealth endorsement that we see this year, it's clear to me -- and in conversations with teams within the administration, it's clear to me that the support is there over the long term for an expansion of telehealth's role and sort of the overall role of virtual care in the senior population.

  • James John Stockton - Director & Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then maybe just a quick one on the Medicare Advantage front.

  • It sounds like your expectation there is that -- at least, more significant near-term benefit to Teladoc maybe that you get sold into a lot more MA plans as a telehealth benefit that they offer their members as opposed to it being as much of a catalyst for more provider deals?

  • It's a good thing either way.

  • But is that the correct read on how you see the MA approach by Medicare benefiting you in the next couple of years?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Yes.

  • I would say MA plan is certainly more aligned with our traditional go-to-market approach with the plans, and we would expect to see MA populations come our way.

  • I think where we see opportunity on the provider side is from the Medicare fee for service where more and more hospitals and health systems will look to us for our Platform as a Service to provide care for their senior populations who are under Medicare fee-for-service plans and can get reimbursed for it.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Richard Close from Canaccord Genuity.

  • Richard Collamer Close - MD & Senior Analyst

  • Surrounding organic growth, obviously, 39%, extremely impressive.

  • Best Doctors is going to roll into that number, I guess, this upcoming third quarter.

  • So how do you think about the organic growth now that Best Doctors is going to be included and then just your overall view of Best Doctors and the performance there, considering you've had it about a year now?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Yes.

  • So we're pretty pleased with the overall growth of the Best Doctors product.

  • We see it now as really more of a full continuum of services, and we expect to see all of those parts of the business operating in that 20% to 30% range in '19.

  • We said that it would take us a year or 2 to get there, and we're right in line with what we expected.

  • And then again, the other thing I would say is that having the entire portfolio of services, the entire continuum of care, is really a strategic advantage as we go to market and are selling to large health plans who now see this as a full virtual care strategy.

  • So while it's great to pick apart the pieces, and we certainly look at it in terms of the growth of each one of the components, where, from my perspective, that having a full suite adds another level of value in and of itself.

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • And Richard, I might add that as Best Doctors was historically a very low teens or a high single-digit grower, it's now shown significantly improved results as it's being sold alongside of the traditional Teladoc suite of services.

  • We noted back at the time of the acquisition in the summer of '17, that it would likely take us about a year to 18 months to bring up their growth to the levels that we'd expect and we mandate, between 20% and 30%, and I think we're well on our way there.

  • And quite frankly, I think we're going to see even a shorter path to that growth trajectory for Advance Medical.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Charles Rhyee from Cowen and Company.

  • Charles Rhyee - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • Staying with -- going to Advance Medical, Mark or Jason, can you talk about sort of -- my understanding, right, is Advance Medical has a different model on how it delivers services, particularly in Europe but also how it does it in the U.S. in more of a sort of dedicated model to its clients.

  • Can you talk about sort of the opportunities of maybe taking some of those types of service models and applying it more broadly to Teladoc's?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Yes.

  • So there's no question, Advance Medical, part of their success was in tailoring their solutions to the needs of their clients, providing a little bit more of a medical concierge service, if you will, in a virtual environment.

  • We see that as an opportunity.

  • They have very good relationships with their clients.

  • As I mentioned, I was over in Spain with 2 of their large insurance clients and meeting with the CEOs there.

  • They see Advance Medical as a critical component of their overall value proposition to their members and clients, and part of that is that the concierge-like service.

  • So we're working now on how to take best practices, both from a product perspective as well as an operational perspective, and learn across the organization so that we can offer a broad range of levels of service because we know from experience, sometimes from having competed against them, that, that is a very desirable model and can be very, very successful.

  • There are different needs for different clients, and part of the value that we have now is being able to sort of span the entire spectrum.

  • Charles Rhyee - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • That's helpful.

  • Can you talk about a little bit how the -- how that pricing model works a little bit differently?

  • My understanding, it's really more in the PEPM and less -- really not with a visit fee kind of component.

  • Maybe give a little bit more color around that?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Yes, that's correct, Charles.

  • We have far stronger utilization figures for the Advance Medical client base because, as Jason noted, the opportunity to activate that customer base for that type of concierge, triage-type service, leading all the way up to expert medical services, enables us to price that at a premium to either of our standalone services and equivalent to even a premium on top of the combined service, that would be Best Doctors and traditional general medical from Teladoc.

  • So we end up competing on a per member per month basis.

  • They're 99% of the revenues from Advance Medical traditionally.

  • And what we expect, even in the future, will be that very visible per member per month access fee.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Stephanie Demko from Citi.

  • Stephanie July Demko - VP & Senior Analyst

  • Could you give us an update just on the cost synergy procurement for Advance Medical given they did have a duplicative footprint?

  • And are there any early indications on opportunities within Advance Medical U.S. base, just given their offering would still be second opinion versus your more broad-based offering?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Sure.

  • I think the initial synergies that we identified, really the duplicative costs with regard to operations in Spain, with regard to operations here in the U.S., a number of also business model tweaks that we will likely make that can accommodate certain of our clients and some of the prospects that are in that pipeline that Jason was referring to earlier.

  • The strength of the pipeline again reflects the fact that the suite of services have been enhanced.

  • And while companies like Google and Apple and Microsoft, Cisco and others have been procuring their expert medical services from Advance Medical in the past, now we come to them with a suite of services offering to extend our contracts with them to give them not only the U.S. triage, the general medical services we could offer here but, on the flip side, we're doing the same thing with our existing legacy European clients and Asian clients.

  • So all of that is, again, adding to the excitement of and the opportunities presented and reflected in that very strong pipeline.

  • The second part of your question?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Yes, I think you covered it.

  • That was the Advance Medical clients in the U.S., right?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Okay.

  • Stephanie July Demko - VP & Senior Analyst

  • But following up to that second part, does any of these marquee clients in the U.S. have an alternative general medical provider?

  • Or is it a purely greenfield opportunity?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • No, some of them do, in fact.

  • And they come back to us and advise us that they're really not strong utilizers of their incumbents -- of the incumbent service.

  • So of course, we're coming right back to them and offering them a broader array of services and clearly for incremental costs.

  • Stephanie July Demko - VP & Senior Analyst

  • And one housekeeping question for me.

  • Could you give Advance Medical's contribution to membership for the quarter?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Yes.

  • Advance Medical had about 1.5 million members.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Sean Wieland from Piper Jaffray.

  • Sean William Wieland - MD & Senior Research Analyst

  • So looking to get an update on the provider market given that's a pretty critical go-to-market strategy for Medicare fee for service.

  • Can you just update us on the number of health systems engaged and what the activity is in the pipeline and that kind of thing?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Yes.

  • We continue, Sean, to have a very, very good activity as well as a great close rate in the provider market.

  • I was just with Alan Roga, getting an update, and he's extremely excited and has closed several deals just recently.

  • The number of hospitals is up around 300 at this point.

  • We continue to see new opportunities as well as hospitals coming to us with additional use cases.

  • And so very, very pleased with the progress of that business.

  • Sean William Wieland - MD & Senior Research Analyst

  • Are health systems actually going out and shopping specifically for the Medicare fee for service changes or not yet?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • No, not yet, Sean.

  • That was just announced, right?

  • So it takes a little while for an asset to filter through.

  • But we see that as an opportunity and just yet another catalyst for hospitals and health systems to look to license a telehealth platform.

  • Sean William Wieland - MD & Senior Research Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And Mark, did you give the revenue from behavioral health in the quarter?

  • And are you still on pace to do $55 million for the year?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Oh, yes.

  • Revenue quarter-over-quarter grew in excess of 100%, and I'm extremely confident, with great degree of visibility, that we'll exceed that $55 million, most likely come closer to $60 million.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Ryan Daniels from William Blair.

  • Ryan Scott Daniels - Partner and Healthcare Analyst

  • A little bit of a different question here.

  • Jason, maybe for you, I'm curious, you have a very strong team and you've kept a lot of the leadership over the years from the acquired assets.

  • But given the geographic expansion, the product expansion, and all the deals, do you feel you have the team in place to kind of push the business going forward and take advantage of all these opportunities?

  • Or is that going to be a big focus going forward kind of bolstering the team?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Thanks, Ryan.

  • We're very fortunate, as you mentioned, to have been able to retain a lot of the leaders from prior acquisitions and as well as bringing in new talent into the organization.

  • I think that's testament to the opportunity we have as well as the company's mission.

  • It also -- to be frank, we have focused for a long time on a scalable platform and being an execution-oriented company.

  • So I feel good about where we are, in our ability to execute on the business plan that we have now, including the acquisitions that we've done.

  • Having said that, we're always evaluating our talent and where we have needs and what the organization looks like.

  • So we're certainly not going to be a static organization, and we're constantly challenging ourselves to make sure that we're looking out ahead at where we're going and what we're going to need to make sure we can continue to scale the business.

  • Ryan Scott Daniels - Partner and Healthcare Analyst

  • That's helpful color.

  • And then given the transactions and kind of the early integration efforts there, I'm curious if you can also outline maybe the key IT investment areas as we look forward over the next 6 to 18 months, both again as it relates to integrating all the variety of assets but also any new developments or things on the come that the clients are looking for from an IT standpoint.

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Sure, Ryan.

  • So a couple of things.

  • One is that we're deeply involved in rolling out the integrated app experience for the Advance Medical products, and that's a significant opportunity for us to bring our technology to bear for that population, and it provides the front-end integration point for members of all of the services around the world.

  • So that's number one.

  • Number two, as we've mentioned before, the guided experience, which gives the consumer a single interface to all of the different products in a sort of a virtual concierge, if you will, an assistant that helps you find the right one of our services, because, of course, now we have a couple of dozen different services, and we have to make sure that we make it intuitive for the consumer.

  • So we've said that we expect that out this year.

  • We're still focused on that and expect to deliver that.

  • So those are really the 2, I would say, nearer-term technology developments.

  • Of course, we continue to refine back-end integration and focus on the things to make us efficient and maintain our scalability.

  • But in terms of what you're going to see on the front-end, those are probably the 2 I'd point to.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Mohan Naidu from Oppenheimer.

  • Mohan A. Naidu - MD and Senior Analyst

  • Jason, on the Medicare side, do you see physicians trying to offer telehealth directly to the Medicare eligible population and bypassing some of the platforms right now?

  • Is that an overhead for you guys to go if you do want to end up going directly to a consumer?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Yes.

  • Thanks for the question, Mohan.

  • We don't see a lot in terms of individual practitioners or small practices trying to go directly to the consumer with virtual care.

  • We see it more from the larger systems and, in some cases, the large multi-specialty groups.

  • It's a lot for a small practitioner to do that in an organized way.

  • And to be perfectly honest, it's why we historically haven't gone to the market of individual solo practitioners or small practices of 2 or 3 doctors.

  • We think eventually that will probably materialize.

  • But right now, it's the aggregators of the large systems and multi-specialty practices.

  • Mohan A. Naidu - MD and Senior Analyst

  • Got it.

  • A quick one on the competition.

  • Some of your competitors are getting big financial backing to strengthen their offerings.

  • What are you seeing on the competition side?

  • Any changes in the recent quarters?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • No.

  • We're always happy to see more money flowing into the virtual care space.

  • We think it's a great sector to invest in, obviously, and we think a strong competitor set is good for the overall space.

  • Having said that, to be honest, we have really -- with the pieces that we've put together, the offering that we have and the comprehensive nature of our solution, we've really distanced ourselves from those who were traditional competitors, and we're seeing that in our interactions with clients and prospects.

  • So we're very confident in our position today, and we feel good about our competitive position globally.

  • We've really defined ourselves as the only global player and the only comprehensive solution.

  • So when you can put those 2 together, that's a great place to be.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Steven Wardell from Chardan Capital Markets.

  • Steven William Wardell - Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • Can you give us an overview of how you organize your sales force?

  • Do you have one sales force that sells every product?

  • Or do you have sub-sales forces that are aligned against certain kinds of products?

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Our sales force is organized by customer group.

  • So we have a team that focuses on health plans, we have a team that focuses on brokers and small employers.

  • We have a team that focuses on mid- and large-sized employers.

  • We have an international sales team.

  • We have a provider sales team.

  • We -- so we're primarily organized by group of customers.

  • Underneath that, there is a team that's focused on cross-selling in order to help each one of those different sales teams be successful in cross-selling because, obviously, that's an important part of extracting the value from some of the acquisitions that we've done, and so we've maintained a focus there.

  • And then, of course, we have an accounts management team who's focused on retaining our clients, which we've been very successful of doing, and bringing in additional products and services to those legacy clients who maybe bought one product because at the time that they bought, we only had one product, and so they're bringing additional products into those clients.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Charlie Eidson from Craig-Hallum Capital.

  • Charles Christopher Eidson - Associate Analyst

  • First, given the growing comprehensiveness of the Teladoc platform, I expect -- I was hoping you could provide a little bit more color on how much of the anticipated revenues from here are due to upselling versus greenfield customers.

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Yes, Charlie, we probably look at new customers continuing to -- at least, on the nonhealth plan side, new customers will provide the greatest bulk of the additional lift in the sales heading into 2019, likely a -- probably an 80-20 split.

  • On the health plan side, we'll likely get a very significant uplift from the existing clients.

  • And those that are currently sitting in the pipeline with a high degree of probability will contribute to, most likely, a 50-50 split in their contribution to new 2019 revenues.

  • Charles Christopher Eidson - Associate Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then one on gross margin.

  • In the 8-K, you put out, following the Advance Medical acquisition, it looked like the Q1 gross margins were around 36%.

  • Can you go through the puts and takes on what that -- what went into that gross margin number and how you expect that to rise over time as it gets integrated?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Yes, certainly.

  • As we both closed on the Best Doctors acquisition last summer and Advance Medical this summer, both of those companies ran at a significantly lower gross margin than Teladoc.

  • Clearly, the delivery mechanism for expert medical services through the Advance Medical platform is done with a different cost basis.

  • The margin as well as some of the other operating metrics are not comparable to what Best Doctors and Teladoc had done.

  • However, as a result of integration efforts over the past year, we've been able to bring the Best Doctors delivery and margin up significantly.

  • And while we saw a decrease in overall margin, I've been indicating to the market that we'd expect around a 65% overall gross margin, the contribution from much stronger margin-generating behavioral business but again, I know I said earlier in the call had more than doubled year-over-year, enabled us to continue to produce a consecutive quarter, from first quarter where we were about 70% to this quarter at 71%, we would continue to expect to see the margin moving to that 65% that I've been indicating since the time of the Advance Medical acquisition.

  • These are good signals because as we continue to integrate and find efficiencies in the delivery of the services through our platform and as we continue to see growth in behavioral at these stronger margins, we see a trend that, that's going to be stable and predictable most likely through '19 and beyond.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Glen Santangelo from Deutsche Bank.

  • Glen Joseph Santangelo - MD & Research Analyst

  • I just want to follow up on the visits from the U.S. paid membership.

  • I had just a couple of quick questions about the 436,000 that you posted this quarter.

  • Could you maybe give us a sense for the mix of those visits, how much might have been digital versus offline, how much was maybe repeat versus new customers and how much Best Doctors may have contributed to that number?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • So we don't break out the visits based on an individual product basis.

  • However, we did see repeat usage from those visits delivered in Q1.

  • The individuals that participated in our first quarter's utilization, approximately 23% of them were participants and then received visits on one of our -- or for one of our services in Q2.

  • And that's somewhat consistent with what we've been trending over the past several quarters.

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • And just in terms of the modality...

  • Glen Joseph Santangelo - MD & Research Analyst

  • Sorry, go ahead.

  • Jason Nathanial Gorevic - CEO & Director

  • Sorry, in terms of the -- yes, in terms of the modality, we continue to see mobile as the fastest-growing component of our overall visit source.

  • We actually see Web and telephonic requests relatively stable and the vast majority of the growth coming from mobile.

  • Glen Joseph Santangelo - MD & Research Analyst

  • Just maybe as a quick follow-up, could you tell me how much international visits were in the quarter?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Yes, international visits were approximately -- they were between about 40,000 and 50,000 visits.

  • Glen Joseph Santangelo - MD & Research Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then my last question was you sort of discussed a couple of wins and takeaways in the quarter.

  • Are those new contracts coming in on a subscription basis?

  • Or are some of them potentially utilization based?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Every new contract to date has come in on a traditional Teladoc basis of the subscription access fee, either with visits included or visits are an additional amount.

  • There has not been a visit fee only contract executed this year.

  • Operator

  • Your last question comes from Richard Close from Canaccord Genuity.

  • Richard Collamer Close - MD & Senior Analyst

  • Just, Mark, clarification on the guidance.

  • I mean, obviously, you said you raised in on the core strength.

  • Are you still contemplating just the $40 million from Advance Medical since the time of ownership for 2018?

  • Mark J. Hirschhorn - Executive VP, COO & CFO

  • Yes, give or take, $1 million or $2 million, that's consistent with what we shared last month at the time of the announcement.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's conference call.

  • Thank you for joining us and have a good evening.

  • You may now disconnect.