新聚思 (SNX) 2008 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Good afternoon.

My name is Christian, and I will be your conference operator today.

At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the SYNNEX fourth-quarter, year-end conference call.

(Operator Instructions).

Ms.

Laura Crowley, you may begin your conference.

Thank you, Christian.

Good afternoon, and welcome to the SYNNEX Corporation's fiscal 2008 fourth-quarter earnings conference call.

Joining us on today's call are Kevin Murai, President and Chief Executive Officer; Dennis Polk, Chief Operating Officer; and Thomas Alsborg, Chief Financial Officer.

Before we begin, I would like to note that the statements on today's call which are not historical facts may be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act.

These forward-looking statements include but are not limited to statements regarding our strategy including growth, profitability, investments, and business expansion, expectations of our operating expense, sales, revenues, net income, and earnings per share for the first quarter of fiscal 2009, our debt to capital ratio, flexibility, efficiency, and benefits of our business model, market conditions, our expectations for our operating margins, and profitability, and our ROIC.

These are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed in these forward-looking statements.

Please refer to today's press release and documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, specifically our most recent Form 10-Q, for information on risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed in these forward-looking statements.

Additionally, this conference call is the property of SYNNEX Corporation and may not be recorded or rebroadcast without specific written permission from the Company.

Now I would like to turn the call over to Thomas Alsborg for an update on our financial performance.

Thomas?

Thank you, Laura.

Good afternoon everyone, and thank you for joining our call today.

I will begin by summarizing our results of operations for the quarter with our key financial metrics, and then I will provide some further details on our results.

Total revenues for the fourth quarter of 2008 were $2.1 billion, a 6.4% increase over the fourth quarter of 2007 and a 2.5% increase sequentially.

Relative to the third quarter of 2008, in constant currency, revenue for the fourth quarter of 2008 would have improved by $42 million.

As for the bottom line, fourth-quarter net income was $26.4 million, or $0.80 per share, surpassing Wall Street consensus of the $0.71 per share.

ROIC rose to 10.6%, achieving our stated goal of double-digit ROIC levels in the fourth quarter.

I would like to take a moment to call out that at the beginning of the year we stated that achieving acquisition adjusted year over your EPS growth in excess of 20% and double-digit ROIC by the fourth quarter of 2008 were our two main financial objectives, and I am very pleased to report to our investors and prospective investors that SYNNEX achieved both of these goals in the midst of what we now know is a recession.

This accomplishment is significant, as it reinforces that SYNNEX's business model is very flexible and efficient and that our Company of hard-working and talented employees remain able to deliver our corporate objectives.

Now we will go into the more specific line item details of our results.

In the fourth quarter of fiscal 2008, our gross margin once again expanded significantly to reach 5.84%.

This represents an increase of 49 basis points compared to the prior fourth quarter and an increase of 32 basis points sequentially.

Once again, our core distribution business and our other business process services both contributed to our increased gross margin for the fourth quarter, illustrating the continuing success of delivering increased value added services to our partners.

This is core to our strategy of transitioning our business model to an integrated business process services Company.

Also, solid, efficient execution of the business plan is part of the reason why we achieved a company-wide gross profit to expense ratio of 1.64 in the fourth quarter, up 10 basis points from our third quarter.

Fourth-quarter 2008 selling, general, and administrative expense was $74.5 million, or 3.55% of revenues compared to 3.48% in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2007 and 3.59% sequentially.

SG&A benefited by a reduction in deferred compensation liability as we account for unrealized losses totaling $3.7 million in our other income expense line of the P&L.

As a reminder, unrealized gains and losses on deferred comp instruments are offset against the deferred comp liability and hence have no bottom-line impact to the P&L.

Going forward, we intend to continue to manage our SG&A expense relative to our gross profit and the demand environment while being careful not to disrupt the business development and investment activities that can provide additional profitable growth opportunities for SYNNEX.

Income from operations was a record $47.9 million, or 2.28% of revenue, for the fiscal fourth quarter compared to $36.9 million, or 1.87% of revenues, in the prior year and $39.5 million or 1.93% of revenues in the fiscal third quarter of 2008.

This represents a virtual string of nine consecutive quarterly operating margin expansions that have resulted in an impressive operating margin growth trend for the Company.

With respect to net interest expense, finance charges, and other expenses, the total for the fourth quarter of 2008 was $8.4 million, a $4.2 million increase from the prior-year quarter of $4.2 million.

Within this amount in Q4 2008 is a net interest expense finance charge of $3.8 million compared to $4.6 million in Q4 of 2007 and $3.1 million in the fiscal third quarter of 2008.

Also within the Q4 figure is a $3.7 million charge for the unrealized losses on our executive deferred compensation plan that I referred to earlier, and again, this was offset in SG&A with no bottom-line impact to the P&L.

The effective tax rate for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2008 was 32.5% compared to 37.5% in the fourth quarter of 2007.

The decrease in the effective tax rate is primarily due to higher profit contributions from lower tax jurisdictions as well as favorable permit differences and favorable adjustments to deferred tax assets in certain of our foreign jurisdictions.

Turning to the balance sheet and related metrics, accounts receivable totaled $866 million at November 30, 2008.

DSO, including the AR from the off-balance sheet program, was 42 days, an improvement of one day over the third-quarter period.

Inventory totaled $696 million at the end of the fourth quarter, translating to 32 days of inventory supply, a three-day improvement over the third quarter.

Days payable outstanding was 30 days, and hence our overall cash conversion cycle improved over the third quarter to 44 days.

Our debt to capitalization ratio for the fourth quarter was 44.8%, down from 45.5% in Q4 2007 and in line with 44.9% from Q3 2008.

The Company has a long history of managing our debt to cap ratio in the low- to mid-40% range.

From a fixed term debt perspective, SYNNEX had only $173 million in debt outstanding, which represents about 14.1% of the total 44.8% debt to cap structure.

The balance of our debt represents borrowings under our working capital lines.

As of note, our debt to cap ratio tends to go down in soft economies due to the nature of our business model, hence generating more cash for the Company.

At the end of Q4, the company had $167 million available under its working capital lines.

Other financial data and metrics of note are as follows.

Fourth-quarter depreciation expense was $2.9 million.

Amortization expense was $1.8 million.

Return on equity for the fourth quarter was 15.6%.

HP, at approximately 30% of our sales, that is, at 34% of our sales, was the only vendor accounting for more than 10% of sales during the fourth quarter of 2008.

The capital expenditures were $7.8 million for the fourth quarter and $34 million for the fiscal year.

Preliminary cash flow generated from operations was approximately $53 million for the fiscal year of 2008 compared to $97 million on a pro forma basis for fiscal 2007.

The $97 million amount is after adjusting for the change in accounting treatment of our US accounts receivable securitization of approximately $249 million, which prior to February 2007 was treated as an off-balance sheet financing, and hence the AR was not on our balance sheet.

Our total Company full-time associates were 6,804 at November 30, 2008.

Moving to our first-quarter 2009 expectations.

Q1 2009 we expect revenues will be in the range of $1.74 billion to $1.84 billion.

This forecast reflects normal seasonality trends and the continued softness in the economic environment.

We have also allowed for taking a more disciplined approach to be selective in the types of business we take on and walking away from those types of deals that are less profitable.

Net income is expected to be in the range of $16.6 million to $17.6 million, and diluted earnings per share are anticipated to be in the range of $0.50 to $0.53 per share.

As a reminder, all of these statements are forward-looking statements, and actual results may differ materially.

Finally, I would like to highlight for you that we are scheduling our investor day at the New York Stock Exchange on Tuesday, January 27.

We issued a press release on this earlier this week.

Please contact our investor relations department for more information and registering for this event.

The contact information for our investor relations department is in this release.

Our objective in holding the analyst day is to provide our investors and potential investors more transparency into our business model and strategy.

Also, in the spirit of increased transparency, we will begin, starting in our 10-K for this fiscal year 2008 and in future 10-Qs, segment reporting of our BPO business.

So I hope you will attend or join our webcast.

I'll now turn the call over to Kevin Murai for his perspective on the business and our quarterly results.

Kevin?

Thank you, Thomas.

Good afternoon to everyone, and thank you for joining our call today.

Regarding our performance, SYNNEX produced solid results for the fourth quarter of 2008, providing a strong finish to an exceptional year in growth and profitability for the Company from our core operations and acquisitions.

As Thomas noted, we achieved many significant milestones and record results for the fourth quarter.

We believe this is a testament to our focused execution and the strength of our business model.

All aspects of our business operations, including our core US and Canadian distribution operations as well as our growing services business drove results for the quarter.

We would not be achieving these results without the continued hard work, dedication, and focus of our employees and the continued business and support from our customers and suppliers.

I want to take this moment to recognize these contributions and to thank them.

On December 1, 2008 we announced that Bob Huang retired as President and Co-CEO of SYNNEX and has assumed the role of Chairman of the Board.

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Bob on his new appointment and thank him for his many contributions to the organization over the past 28 years.

Without his vision, passion, and focused determination, SYNNEX would not be the Company it is today.

Now, with the completion of our fourth quarter of 2008, SYNNEX achieved our 86th consecutive quarter of profitability, continuing our strong track record of achieving our core operating and financial objectives.

As we begin fiscal 2009, our strategy remains to grow our market share by adding more value added services up and down the supply chain.

Our Q1 guidance reflects our view of the current market conditions, and as expected, the market is softer than normal when factoring in normal seasonality.

We are laser focused on managing our business as cost effectively as possible and have a bias to profitability and returns over sales growth.

It is important to note that today's environment differs from what most IT distributors experienced back in 2001 when the demand for IT products was saturated and spending habits from our customers dampened.

A leading industry analyst firm recently commented that although spending patterns will be down for 2009, the need for IT is still very much in demand, especially surrounding those solutions that provide customers efficiencies and benefits as well as a near-term return on investment.

Solutions such as managed services, security, digital signage, data capture, storage, and virtualization reflect these types of benefits and all of which are strong focuses for SYNNEX in the 2009 year.

The market for North American IT spending is very large and contains significant opportunities for growth and expansion for SYNNEX not only organically but through adjacent market business opportunities as well.

We've had good success in growing our business and realizing good results in new adjacent markets such as consumer electronics, managed print solutions, and other higher-margin sectors.

Although recent reports on the retail segment have been soft, we see market share opportunities in this segment through line card expansion with the broader consumer electronics offering.

So we remain focused on maximizing our key financial goals such as ROIC and EPS while maintaining good cash flow and liquidity.

Our priority is managing our business profitably through the current environment.

However, we also continue to think strategically to ensure the long-term health and success of our business.

Now, I would like to take a moment to give an overview of SYNNEX's key differentiators that we believe are allowing us to continue to outperform our competition and make us an attractive investment.

First is our low-cost operating model.

To be clear, we are not the low-price leader but a provider of good value to our vendors and customers by leveraging our low cost base.

Second, we believe we out execute our competitors in our shared market spaces with our team of very disciplined and talented associates, our top-notch IT systems and operational processes, our decentralized warehouse strategy, and our overseas back-office, IT, and technical support capabilities.

Third is our diversified business model.

A key component of our strategy is our business process services geared toward providing our vendors and customers alike with cost-effective, value-added services and solutions.

In addition to demand generation services, logistics, and manufacturing services that our core distribution business offers, we also have a solid offering of BPO services that provide our partners with a cost-effective alternative to managing noncore parts of their business.

The services range from call center based technical support and customer care to financial and IT outsourcing, to marketing, and creative services.

These differentiators are a large part of the reason that SYNNEX has been able to consistently deliver on its financial goals and why we believe we can continue to outperform our industry in the coming year.

As a final thought, with the prevalent softness in the current economic environment, we are by no means going to take it as a free pass for the SYNNEX team not to get the job done.

We have a long-term track record of managing our business effectively through soft environments and even growing our market share in such times.

We performed very well in 2008, and as we enter the new year, we will continue our disciplined, focused, and creative approach to out execute our competition and to achieve our goals and objectives.

I have confidence that this team is up for that challenge.

Thanks again for your time today and your continued interest and investment in SYNNEX.

Laura, let's now turn the call back to the operator for questions.

Thank you, Kevin.

Christian, let's go ahead and open up the line for questions please.

(Operator Instructions).

Brian Alexander, Raymond James.

This is Brian Peterson in for Brian Alexander.

Thomas or Kevin, could you guys talk a little bit more about what drove the margin performance this quarter?

Because we've seen a pretty meaningful deceleration in growth, but we're kind of in uncharted territories from a profitability perspective.

Could you say maybe like what's really driving that?

Is it BPO?

Is that the largest bucket?

Just help us connect the dots there.

Sure.

Glad to.

I will start with this -- this is Thomas.

The first thing I want to point out is that, as Kevin commented on the line and I did as well, our gross margin expansion was really driven by both the BPO line of our business as well as the distribution side of our business.

So all of our business aspects continue to perform very well, we're pleased to say.

The only other thing I would comment is from maybe the distribution side, again, is it's really coming down to really solid execution and being able to achieve our goals in terms of vendor rebates and marketing and so forth.

And I guess, Thomas, what I would add to that is from an overall operating margin standpoint as well we have been very disciplined and diligent in managing our cost structure; and in particular in the soft environment that we are in, we've been even more aggressive in looking under every corner of the rug so to speak to look for any additional cost savings.

And I think we've done a very good job in doing so.

On working capital, I see that metric's moderated a little bit this quarter.

Can you talk about what you guys are doing to improve working capital internally and maybe where you see attending on in '09?

Sure.

I'll start, and I'll invite Dennis, our Chief Operating Officer, to join in as well.

First, we have seen good improvement, particularly where the areas we're most focused, which is on the inventory and receivables side of our business.

That really is coming by just blocking, tackling, key execution, key focus of our Company on managing without taking away from the needs of our vendors and our customers.

Going forward from a cash to cash cycles perspective, as we've shared in the past, this continues to be a very key focus for our Company, and our objective is to continue to reduce that cash to cash cycle, even in a soft economy.

Yes, Thomas, this is Dennis.

I would just add that we have a laser focus on ROIC in this Company.

And managing working capital is obviously a very important function of that, and it's being worked throughout the Company very well -- this focus on this ROIC aspect -- and it has produced dividends this quarter, and we expect to have it produce dividends moving forward as well.

Okay.

Last one for me.

Regarding New Age, can you guys break out how much it actually contributed to the quarter and maybe what is the normal seasonality of that business heading into February?

This is Dennis again.

From a revenue breakout perspective, we're not going to break out the revenue from that division.

It's actually becoming more difficult to define the actual revenue from the New Age business as we have integrated into our Company.

That being said, I can tell you that the seasonality of that business is such that it is highest in Q4, so the benefit that we get from the New Age business was -- came through in Q4 this year from a high-point perspective, and then it will step down in Q1 based on pretty normal seasonality in the consumer IT business, and then we will expect it to increase throughout the year 2009 and again peeking in Q4.

If I may, on the subject of seasonality, I would just remind our listeners that our seasonality trends from Q4 to Q1 have somewhat accelerated this year and last year as a result of over the last 18 months our additional investments in the consumer electronics line of business, which tends to have a higher seasonality cycle.

Thanks, guys.

Congrats on the quarter.

Richard Gardner, Citigroup.

Kevin and Dennis, I was hoping maybe you could talk about the progression of demand throughout the quarter.

Given that you hit the low end of your revenue guidance range and yet the lower half of your Q1 revenue guidance is down about twice the normal seasonal amount, did you see I guess specifically deterioration in demand as the quarter progressed?

Yes.

September and most of October I would tell you was pretty stable.

November was weaker than anticipated.

Now, part of that might have been due to a fewer number of business days in the month and where the holidays fell.

What I can tell you though is December was reasonable from a sales perspective.

Okay.

So you did see some rebound in December?

Yes, that's right.

We did see some level of strength there.

Okay.

And then, you mentioned that your guidance allowed flexibility to walk away from aggressively priced business.

I was hoping maybe you could provide some more color on where exactly you're seeing price aggression and whether it's getting materially worse during the current -- well, during the quarter just reported?

Yes.

I would tell you, Rich, that that statement really is -- is really a statement of the way that we've been managing our business for a while now.

It's not anything new, specific in the fourth quarter.

And as I've said in the past, which is still true today, we are not as dependent as others might be on some of the larger deals that tend to transact at more aggressive margins.

We always put our profitability ahead of sales growth, and we just continue to do so.

That's just the way we manage our business.

But the pricing environment overall, in light of this soft environment, I can tell you has not -- we have not seen any significantly more aggressive activity out there.

And then one final question if I could, and that is could you talk about why you lost the IBM business in the quarter, and maybe talk about potential to get that business back again, or what the implications there are.

Thank you.

Sure.

And I think we had talked about this in prior discussions as well.

It was IBM's decision to streamline the number of partners that they -- number of distribution partners they deal with.

And although we were their biggest broad-line distribution partner, they believed that they needed to gain more relevance.

So that being said, the level of business as well as the profitability from that business was not material to our overall numbers, and in fact we've been working on moving that business over to other competitive lines.

Matt Sheerin, Thomas Weisel Partners.

I like to get back to the issue of gross margin, which was obviously very strong in the quarter.

Is there some seasonality there?

Because for instance it's year end so you have more incentives or rebates?

Is it more a mix issue that's more seasonal?

Or is that 5.75/5.85 -- is that a range that's sustainable going forward?

Well, let me first start by -- and I probably -- this is Thomas.

I should have called this out.

Of course the seasonality is a factor in this, and so our fourth quarter tends to have higher gross margin, higher profitability anyway, just from a utilization perspective, and that certainly was part of the benefit that we normally see in the fourth quarter.

I forgot the latter part of your question.

Just how the -- so the sustainability of that, sort of.

Or should we expect -- I mean, if you just sort of back into your guidance, you take the revenue, you assume that there is some lower expenses just because of the lower revenue run rate, just to get to that $0.50, $0.51 range, it assumes that gross margin is down a bit but not significantly so.

Okay.

So, two quick comments.

First, I would tell you that you're always going to -- from quarter to quarter you're going to have puts and takes, but as we look out into 2009 and you compare margins in 2009 relative to 2008, I think it's a fair thing to expect continued good margins that we have been putting forth in the last four quarters.

If you look at the operating margin, it was above 2%.

That was one of the things that we had been looking forward to achieving, and I hope that you'll continue to see more of that in 2009.

I think that's -- other than the seasonality, in the general trend that you're going to see in 2009 relative to 2008, I think that is the main thing I would point to.

Well, it's really consistent though.

I think our performance is consistent with getting traction along our strategy.

So first of all, I think we need to ensure that we get appropriate credit for the good management of the pricing that we've done in our core distribution businesses, because we have been able to improve our overall profitability in core distribution, expanding into product categories that do have higher gross margin profile as well as, as we continue to grow our services business faster than the overall business, that also enhances our overall gross margin for the business as well.

So as we continue along the path of doing all three, which we certainly expect to do, over the long term we can certainly expect to see more gross margin expansion.

Great.

Kevin, could you talk about the BPO business and the sensitivity of that business to a downward economic cycle?

Are your customers -- would they be looking to scale back that, or in fact would you see more outsourcing and more opportunities as the economy continues to worsen?

Well, I'll tell you, you really do see both.

I would tell you that in balance I think we have benefited overall from the current environment.

So on the one hand, where we do have the existing partners that are looking to cut costs, when you take for example call center work, perhaps looking at reductions in service level and trying to drive down costs that way; yet at the same time, we have such a robust pipeline of new opportunities, because we have a pretty cost effective solution for those that are looking for cost reductions overall in their business and outsourcing as part of that answer, that net/net we are able to grow in this kind of environment.

And I believe that you said that you're going to break that out or at least some of the numbers from that division out at your analyst day; is that right?

Yes, some of the numbers.

But could you give us an idea though of the growth -- year over year growth rate in that business that you are seeing now?

We're going to cover this extensively in our earnings -- in our investor day.

I would tell you that the growth that we are seeing on that side of the business, as we've said on the distribution side, have both been healthy.

And just lastly, on the guidance, so you have seen some weakness.

It doesn't sound like things are falling off a cliff.

But is that pretty much across your various customer segments?

On the reseller -- sorry -- the distribution business, is that pretty much across the board, or are there any specific pockets of weakness that are worse than others?

There are always going to be outliers both on the positive and on the negative side.

As a general comment, softness is across-the-board.

Just to kind of highlight from fourth quarter, I would tell you that the federal government space was strong on a relative basis.

We had relative strength in our own e-tail space, or at least e-tail business, with the customers that we deal with.

But overall softness I would think is a fair comment.

(Operator Instructions).

There appear to be no further questions at this time.

Thank you, Christian.

This concludes our fourth-quarter earnings conference call.

Thank you for joining us today.

As a note, we will have a replay of this call available for two weeks beginning today at approximately 5 PM Pacific Time through January 22nd, 2009.

As always, should you have any follow-up questions, both Thomas and I are available to take your calls.

Thank you again for your participation.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call.

You may now disconnect.