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  • Operator

  • Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Steve Madden conference call sponsored by Financial Dynamics. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Any reproduction of this call in whole or in part is not permitted without prior expressed written authorization of the company and as a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, the conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Ms. Cara O'Brien of Financial Dynamics.

  • Cara O'Brien - Director of Investor Relations

  • Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining this discussion of Steven Madden Ltd. third-quarter results. By now you should have received a copy of the press release that went out this morning. If you have not, please call our offices at 212-850-5600 and we will get one out to you immediately. Before we begin I would like to remind you that statements in this conference call that are not statements of historical or current fact constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the private litigation reform act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other unknown factors that could cause the actual results of the company to be materially different with the historical results or from any future results expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements.

  • The statements contained herein are also subject generally to other risks and uncertainties that are described from time to time in the Company's reports and registration statements filed with the SEC. Also please refer to the earnings release for more information on risk factors that could cause actual results to differ. Finally, please note that any forward-looking statements used in this call should not be relied upon as current after today's date. I would now like to turn the call over to Jamie Carson, Chief Executive Officer of Steven Madden Ltd.

  • Jamieson Karson - Vice Chairman & CEO

  • Thanks, Cara. Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us today to review Steven Madden Ltd. operating results for the third quarter ended September 30, 2003. With me to review our business are Richard Olicker, our President and Chief Operating Officer, and Arvind Dharia, our Chief Financial Officer. Let me begin by saying that we are pleased with our third-quarter performance. Despite sustained economic weakness in one of the most challenging spring and early fall selling seasons in memory, the continued execution of our business strategy enabled us to successfully increase profitability and meet analyst expectations. Although our top line came under pressure, given certain external conditions, most notably the ongoing competitive and promotional environment, we are proud that we successfully maintained the substantial distribution expansion and market share gains that we worked hard to establish last year.

  • Moreover, it is noteworthy that in terms of comparison purposes, we were up against a record performance in the third quarter of 2002, when the same team generated an extraordinary 32.4 percent increase in total net sales. In addition to supporting previous market share expansion, there are a couple of noteworthy accomplishments realized in this third quarter. First, we achieved strong increases in our other income line, which grew 21.2 percent. The overall increase is attributable to expanded licensing royalty revenues and increased commission revenues from our Adesso-Madden private-label business. Our success on the licensing and private-label fronts was coupled with our ability to effectively improve margins. Not only did we improve gross margin by 110 basis points, we were also able to leverage our operating expenses, improving the SG&A margin by 20 basis points, as we held the line on costs, even while sustaining the business and nurturing our newest brands.

  • This is even further reflected in the 190 basis point improvement in operating margin we recorded for the quarter. Taken together, all of these achievements helped drive a 13 percent increase in net income to 7.1 million, versus 6.3 million last year and diluted earnings per share of 50 cents in the quarter versus 46 cents last year. Again, we are quite pleased with these results, given the environment in which we are operating.

  • Finally we remain in excellent financial health. At quarter end we had approximately 78.6 million in cash, cash equivalents and investment securities on the balance sheet. No long or short-term debt, and total stockholders equity of 153 million. Providing flexibility and a strong foundation from which to build the future growth and diversification of our company. Now I would like to turn the call over to Richard Olicker, our President and Chief Operating Officer, to review the quarter's operating results in more detail.

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Thanks, Jamie. Good morning, everyone. Let me begin with an overview of our overall financial performance. Total sales were 88.7 million versus 93 million in the third quarter of 2002. Part of our plan for 2003 has been to sustain the substantial market share gains achieved in '02. That said, our sales decline of 4.7 percent in this quarter deserves to be considered in conjunction with last year's considerable sales growth of 32 percent over 2001.

  • Net income increased 13 percent to 7.1 million versus 6.3 million in the same period last year. Earnings per share increased 9 percent to 50 cents per share on 14,267,000 weighted average diluted shares outstanding, compared with 46 cents per share on 13,763,000 weighted average diluted shares outstanding in the same period in 2002. As Jamie summarized, our strong bottom-line results were achieved through a combination of very positive factors including other income growth, margin gains, and operating expense leverage as we held the line on costs.

  • Gross margin increased to 40.1 percent versus 39 percent last year. The improvement is attributable to better sourcing and inventory management, as well as less dilution this year from wholesale returns and allowances. Also our retail division, which generates higher gross margins than wholesale, represented a larger percentage of our overall business in this third quarter than in the year ago period. Retail represented 26 percent of the total versus 24 percent in the third quarter last year.

  • During the quarter, the company was able to manage its expense structure in keeping with its top line performance. Effectively leveraging its infrastructure, all while continuing to sustain our business and nurture our newest brands, Union Bay for young men, Candie’s for women and children and the conversion of the David Aaron business into Steven for Women. This is reflected by the 20 basis point decrease in our operating expenses as a percent of sales to 29.4 percent, and we view this as a substantial accomplishment.

  • Let me now review what happened in each division during the quarter. The company's wholesale division is comprised of six contributing brands, Steve Madden Women's, Steve Madden Men's, l.e.i., Stevies, David Aaron and Union Bay, which commenced shipping this quarter. Wholesale revenues for the quarter were 65.6 million versus 70.7 million in the third quarter last year. It is worth noting that this decline, which I will review further as we go through the wholesale division detail, came on top of a 41 percent increase in wholesale revenues in the comparable period last year.

  • Third-quarter revenues in our Steve Madden Women's brands decreased 3.3 percent to 32.2 million. But note that this was on top of a 19 percent increase achieved in the third quarter of '02. The slight decline was a result of disappointing early sellthroughs, particularly in the Euro casual classification. We also worked to bring down the inventory levels of our wholesale customers to be in line with our retail performance in the quarter. Furthermore this back-to-school, the overwhelmingly favored footwear category was sneakers of the non-technical and retro sport variety. These offerings were available at Out the Door retails at $49.99 and below, pressuring the higher priced casual closed shoe category. The strength of this category in the third quarter took market share from our traditional brown shoe categories including ours. However, successes for the quarter included our early identification of strong selling dress shoes, which are being maximized into fourth quarter.

  • Revenues for Steve Madden Men's were 8.2 million, versus 14.8 million last year, a period in which men's increased an extraordinary 360 percent. Men's was adversely impacted by three primary factors. First, the dramatic downturn in sellthrough at retail in the young men's fashion casual and sport casual business created substantial inventory and margin challenges to our wholesale shipments. Also the men's fashion marketplace favored dress and dress casual styling, which represented less than 20 percent of our shipments for the quarter. We are well positioned to exploit this transition going forward, but we were unable to maximize this rapid classification shift, focusing instead on clearing obsolete inventory in an attempt to position us strongly for the upcoming selling season.

  • Finally average selling prices within men's casuals came under extreme pressure at retail as the market became oversaturated with casual looks, causing price compression in the entire fashion, casual and sport casual category in men's. We anticipate the continuation of these trends into the fourth quarter and that sales challenges will persist. However, we are very pleased to report that we have liquidated our slow turning casual inventory and are working through stock levels with our major wholesale accounts. Furthermore we are extremely encouraged by the performance at retail of newly delivered Madden men's dress collections along with strong sales of our existing dress offerings. The dress category will represent our single biggest classification increase in the fourth quarter and into spring '04.

  • L.e.i. was one of the standouts in the quarter, with revenues increasing 14.4 percent to $17.5 million versus 15.3 million last year. Growth in the division is primarily attributable to increases at Kohl's and Sachs Group. Classifications that drove sales included lower profiles closed casuals. Tailored looks are also trending above last year and dress shoes are selling well and are an at once opportunity for fourth quarter.

  • Revenues in our Stevies Children's division decreased to 2.9 million versus 3.9 million during the third quarter last year. The children's back-to-school season began later than in past years, diminishing reorder demand, which we enjoyed in the year ago period. The children's boot classification did not perform early this year. Additionally, there were a series of customer specific issues throughout the third quarter. Footstar continued to experience temporary credit issues, which led to shipping delays and some cancellations. Also this year, Kids “R” Us concentrated greater open to buy on its private-label offerings than in 2002.

  • As communicated on our second-quarter call, the weakness in Stevies is also partially result of the weak economy. As unemployment rates have increased and family budgets are squeezed, the children's fashion footwear dollar is most vulnerable to competition from the discount mass merchants that dominate market share in children's footwear. As a result, we have seen a higher incidence of cancellations from our independent store base and a general reluctance among buyers to commit. In response to these challenges in our children's business, in August we introduced children's shoes under the Steve Madden brand. More directional in styling, aspirational to our Steve Madden women's looks but age appropriate, this gives us a new, higher priced strategy, which we believe will assist in turning around our children's business.

  • Our strategy to reposition the David Aaron business into the Steven brand for fall '03 was completed in the third quarter with excellent initial acceptance. Revenues for this new brand increased 29.4 percent to 4.4 million versus 3.4 million last year under its David Aaron name. We are particularly excited that several new retailers including Dillard’s and Macy's West who are equipped to showcase and service the new Steven collection have been added as customers. We also added additional Nordstrom regions to our customer roster in the third quarter. Steven can now be found in over 150 department store doors and over 200 better independent shoe stores across the country. We are very pleased with the early sellthroughs and the strong reception that Steven Shoes by Steve Madden has enjoyed. And we look forward to having Steven become a growth and profit contributor in the fourth quarter and in the seasons ahead.

  • Rounding out our wholesale revenues, Union Bay Young Men's, our new license from the apparel company, contributed sales of 300,000 in its first quarter of shipping. The product (indiscernible) consists primarily of test quantities from which a more meaningful assortment is anticipated in 2004. Moving to our retail division, as of September 30, 2003, there were 82 stores in operation, including our Internet store. Retail sales in the quarter increased 3.6 percent to 23.1 million versus 22.3 million last year. Same-store sales decreased 4.9 percent. This decline was caused by a variety of factors. The overriding explanation is that this back-to-school the overwhelmingly favored category with sneakers of the non-technical and retrosport variety.

  • As I previously mentioned, these offerings were available at out the door retails at $49.99 and below, pressuring the higher priced brown shoe, casual closed duck category. Importantly, continuing a trend we saw in our second quarter, unit sales remained ahead of last year for the same period but at average selling prices of over 3 dollars less per pair. This evidences the continuing robust demand for our product, but also acknowledges price compression in a challenging and competitive retail internment. It is encouraging that store productivity still remains strong. Our stores generate in an average of $653 per square foot for the 12 months ended September 30, 2003.

  • With respect to new store openings, we opened one store on Lincoln Road in South Beach, Miami, Florida in August. Also during the quarter the Company closed one David Aaron store. In November we plan to open store a store in Emeryville, California. This will leave us ending the year having opened seven stores and will bring us to a total of 83 for the chain, including the Internet store.

  • The Internet store remains the largest store, with revenues for the third quarter exceeding 1.3 million. Last month we partnered with Amazon.com in a revenue share arrangement in an attempt to broaden the Steve Madden.com customer base and increased online sales. Amazon attracts one of the largest commercial audiences on the Web and now Steve Madden is a featured store under their shoe directory. We look forward to having this association help drive our online sales.

  • Moving to other income, as Jamie highlighted, this again showed particular strength during the quarter with commission and licensing fee income increasing 21 percent to 2.2 million. For our private-label division, Adesso-Madden, revenues increased 15.5 percent, contributing 1,432,000 to the other income line. The division continued its growth with mass-market discount retailers. Licensing income rose 33.4 percent to 774,000 as a result of the growing royalty revenue generated by the increased shipment of licensed product. We continue to diligently work toward concluding new license arrangements, but are proceeding on a methodical basis in pursuit of the strongest brand building opportunities.

  • Turning for a moment to marketing, this continues to be integral to driving our businessmen within our stores. In addition to an extensive mall poster campaign, in the third quarter we sponsored MTV's video music awards and ran VMAs ticket giveaway promotions in our stores. We also sponsored events with Hot 92 in Third Straight Promenade and with V100 in 34th Street to promote our rock and soul band search featuring Loon at Webster Hall. Rock and soul events were also presented in LA's El Ray Theatre in conjunction with Kiss 104.7 and closed out with the announcement and performance of our contest winner at the rock-and-roll Hall of Fame during the rock style event.

  • We also had a back-to-school promotion with 106.7 and Simple Plan, where we gave a lucky winner a trip to Orlando to attend a Simple Plan concert and meet the band. In addition to our retail advertising, the Company had a very active marketing calendar during the quarter. We continued our consumer magazine presence in books that included Seventeen, Teen People, Cosmo, YM and Latina. Our men's print ad appeared in Timeout and Vibe, and we helped launch Steven to consumers with a great print ad that ran in In Style, Lucky, and New York Magazine. For those of you in New York, check out today's Steven ad in the Post. The campaign also included outdoor media including subway posters, bus shelters, and metro lights, as well as continuing on our signature billboard locations in SoHo and on 34th Street.

  • The Brand continues to be very active with its grass-roots efforts that included attending college fairs during this back-to-school at colleges across the country. This is complemented by extensive fashion editorial coverage for our brand as editors and producers in a wide variety of consumer magazines and television featured our back-to-school and fall product.

  • With respect to our overall financial condition, we have maintained a pristine balance sheet which speaks volumes to the health and viability of our Company. As of September 30, 2003, our cash, cash equivalents, and investment securities were 78.6 million. Inventories were at 23 million, versus 24.8 million last year. Our inventory turn was 9.7 times in the 12 months ending September 30, 2003, versus an 8 time turn for the same period last year. Accounts Receivable were 39 million versus 36.8 million lasted year. Working capital was at 94.1 million. Total equity was 153 million. Diluted weighted average shares outstanding are 14.3 million.

  • Now let me turn the call back over to Jamie, who will provide some closing remarks.

  • Jamieson Karson - Vice Chairman & CEO

  • Thanks, Rich. In conclusion, during the third quarter we again successfully navigated through a difficult environment. Despite the high promotional activity and continued retail and economic weakness, we controlled costs, improved margin performance, and achieved moderate success on the licensing front. And as a result we generated solid earnings growth under very challenging operating conditions. Looking forward, we remain committed and optimistic regarding our prospects. We continue to explore further avenues for top line expansion, including widening the reach of our core Steve Madden Brand through additional licensing opportunities, as well as leveraging our industry and operating expertise through exclusive agreements like those recently signed with Union Bay and Candie’s. By focusing on continuing to grow our core brands while nurturing our newest brand additions and expanding our distribution both domestically and internationally, Steven Madden Ltd. will continue to benefit from a diversified and flexible approach to the market.

  • With respect to our specific financial outlook, despite challenging external market conditions, a highly promotional environment, and increasing price competition as the holiday season approaches, Steven Madden Ltd. remains confident in its business fundamentals and is cautiously optimistic about the final quarter of 2003. The Company believes it remains positioned to meet the current analyst estimate of $1.60 for the full year. With respect to next year, in light of current trends, the Company is cautious in its outlook and is currently working through its planning process.

  • Based on the current level of visibility, preliminary expectations for 2004 are for mid-single-digit sales growth and high-single-digit increases in diluted earnings per share. In short, we are proud of our performance to date and the teamwork that has made this possible, and we look forward to continued success. I hope this call has been informative. Thank you for your time and your interest. Now I will turn the call back to the operator for your business questions.

  • Operator

  • (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Scott Krasik with CL King.

  • Scott Krasik - Analyst

  • On the gross margin, do you expect to stay at this level and are there opportunities for continued improvements in sourcing and some of the things you talked about?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Scott, we stated our goal at 40 percent. We were able to achieve it this quarter. It was a result of a confluence of things. We are always working towards margin improvements, and --.

  • Arvind Dharia - CFO & Secretary, Director

  • We are (indiscernible) for 40 percentage margin and next year 2004 for our planning we are optimistic 40 percent growth.

  • Scott Krasik - Analyst

  • What really made up the sourcing? Did you switch sourcing and people in China, or where was the improvement made?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Is really is a series of about five factors. Focusing on sourcing, China represented a greater proportion to the total, and we saw gains from lower costing, but in addition to that, issues involving or surrounding inventory management where we were buying upfront more conservatively and doing more work in terms of the flow was an additional advantage for us. From the business standpoint, we had fewer chase kind of items, fewer reorder items that generally are placed in higher cost countries and also require air freight expense. It was also slower dilution this quarter as compared to last year, and also retail was a higher percentage of the total. So the confluence of those factors really gave us our margin benefit.

  • Scott Krasik - Analyst

  • Okay. And then I guess for the rest of the year, by keeping your EPS estimate, is that driven again by the margins or do you think that within wholesale that customers are starting to order more and they view Christmas as being pretty good? What is really driving that? Maintaining your full year estimate?

  • Jamieson Karson - Vice Chairman & CEO

  • I think it is a continuation of some of the factors you see working for us this quarter.

  • Scott Krasik - Analyst

  • Okay. And then lastly, can you give me any details on some of the new license or potential licensed products? What is in the pipeline?

  • Jamieson Karson - Vice Chairman & CEO

  • Well, what is really going on are conversations about available categories, and I would not say there is anything specific in the pipeline, but there are conversations and discussions that are ongoing.

  • Scott Krasik - Analyst

  • Okay, thanks.

  • Operator

  • Michael Ryan (ph) of Sedoti and Company.

  • Michael Ryan - Analyst

  • Good job on managing the business this quarter. Richard, you mentioned that earlier in the quarter your Steve Madden brand sellthroughs were slow. How did you react to that and did you see an improvement as the quarter went on? How did that work out?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Well, we have a policy really of addressing markdowns early, and that is our first and foremost responsibility, and that is what we have done. The traditional approach has been to move forward with better producing products and we have done to the extent we have it; we have done that as well. And that is a formula that has proven itself to work in an environment where the consumer is less receptive to traditional brown shoe closed up shoes, it's more challenging. But it is still a formula we believe in and we work with.

  • Michael Ryan - Analyst

  • Okay. How are boot sales during the quarter and how's your inventory stand on?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Our inventory is fresh, not obsolete and in line with our fourth-quarter sales expectation. As far as boot sales are concerned, it has been a little choppy. The very, very fashionable boots, some of the more athletic inspired type of boots have sold well. The stretch boots not too directional have sold well. The more pointy toe, single sole, have sold okay. I think there is a lot of competition in the marketplace.

  • Michael Ryan - Analyst

  • Have you seen a lot of pricing pressure there?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Yes.

  • Michael Ryan - Analyst

  • I missed earlier when you were going over the inventory for the men's wear, where does that stand now?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • We do not disclose inventory by division. But here again we were working hard over the last two quarters to bring our inventories in men's down.

  • Michael Ryan - Analyst

  • Okay. Great, thanks.

  • Operator

  • Nancy (indiscernible) of Avalon Global.

  • Unidentified Speaker

  • Ritchie, you went through some of the balance sheet and the cash flow stuff really fast. Can you repeat your working capital numbers again and then give us a sense of what the cash balance will look like at the end of the year, based on the heavy seasonal flows now and in the fourth quarter?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Okay. The working capital number was 94.1 million. The cash component of what I gave you was cash, cash equivalents, and investment securities. The cash component of that is 34.2 million, and the securities component is 44.4 million. We lump them together because they are not in the nature of long-term securities.

  • Unidentified Speaker

  • Okay, so that 79 million total in cash and securities, that will peak out at what level?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • About 100.

  • Arvind Dharia - CFO & Secretary, Director

  • Close to 100 million, end of December 31.

  • Unidentified Speaker

  • Okay, so almost 7 dollars a share.

  • Arvind Dharia - CFO & Secretary, Director

  • Yes.

  • Unidentified Speaker

  • Okay. Any plans for that?

  • Jamieson Karson - Vice Chairman & CEO

  • Yes, we are looking at several different options. Our Board is considering certain alternatives for that. And I think as we get into the quarter into this quarter, we would be in a better position to report back as to what we have plans for the cash. We are looking at several things.

  • Unidentified Speaker

  • In terms of inventory levels at your own stores, inventory per square foot, is planned what for next season? It will come out of the holiday season where to your goal and what will that look like for the spring season?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Inventories at retail today are up a little bit more than we would like them to be up in terms of inventory levels versus sales levels, and we are working to monitor those and bring them into line with our anticipated fourth-quarter sales. At the same time, we don't want to miss the hot trends.

  • Unidentified Speaker

  • Exactly. And then for next year are you planning flat inventory per square foot, or would you see that building? And I don't know if it will be different in terms of dollars or units, based on what the mix is going to look like.

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Nancy, the plan would be to plan it flat and then chase it.

  • Unidentified Speaker

  • All right, so consistent with what you have been doing to maximize the margin.

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Right.

  • Operator

  • (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Sam Poser (ph) of Mosaic Research.

  • Sam Poser - Analyst

  • Just a question about Union Bay, Candie’s, and the Men's business. What do you see going forward? I didn't hear you talk about Candie’s very much in your prepared remarks. What can we expect of that into next year?

  • Jamieson Karson - Vice Chairman & CEO

  • We were reporting on the third quarter and Candie’s is an integral part of the business plan going forward. And we are planning to have a great success with it in 2004. As we get into the business a little more and we can do our planning, we will be able to report back with more detail as to what that means. But it is a great brand and we are very excited to have it and we expect great things from it. Same thing for Union Bay. Union Bay is a great name in apparel and we have an opportunity in the men's and boy's market to utilize that brand name and we plan to do good things with that as well.

  • Sam Poser - Analyst

  • Do the initial test results live up to your expectations there?

  • Jamieson Karson - Vice Chairman & CEO

  • For Union Bay?

  • Sam Poser - Analyst

  • Yes, for Union Bay.

  • Jamieson Karson - Vice Chairman & CEO

  • Yes, overall I would say it has been moderately successful.

  • Sam Poser - Analyst

  • And then what is -- the men's business you had a great -- what level do you see the men's business at going forward? You had huge increases last year and then fell back this year. Are we going to expect to see it fall back again next quarter, or and what can be done to correct it?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • The answer is yes, I think you can expect to see it fall back, but I think what we're trying to build is take two steps backwards or three steps forward opportunity, which would be a much better rounded assortment. What we are really dealing with now is the reversal of the casual Euro success of 2002, of which we were at the forefront. So as we liquidate our inventories and dispose of inventories existing at retail, we will reintroduce the brand with a broader assortment, including dress looks and we are working on sportive looks as well. And I think that is just a healthier, less risk averse program for the future.

  • Sam Poser - Analyst

  • Richard, one consistent thing that I heard across the board was that you spoke of dress. Both the success of the Steven and you talk about the dress shoes selling in the women's Steve Madden and in the men's success. Is that going to change, is that going to just become proportionally much more important to the business going forward, do you think?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • It’s certainly the trend of the moment and we plan on being there and we are there aggressively. I think that having not had strength in dress, a dramatic strength in dress in the past provides an opportunity for a stronger foundation for the overall brand in the future. And so I see it really as an opportunity.

  • Sam Poser - Analyst

  • Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Brett Anderson (ph) of (indiscernible) Capital.

  • Brett Anderson - Analyst

  • I missed a couple things. You gave out Accounts Receivable, right? Can you repeat that?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Yes, 39 million versus 36.8 last year.

  • Brett Anderson - Analyst

  • Okay. And a couple questions ago I think you were talking about use of cash. Did you mention a dividend as a possibility there?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • I didn't specifically mention a dividend. What I said was that the Board is looking into various alternatives for the cash. We recognize that we have cash and we are constantly looking at ways to increase shareholder value. So we are looking at various alternatives.

  • Brett Anderson - Analyst

  • Okay, I am just digesting these accounts receivable numbers here. So it’s actually up here year over year 39 versus 36.8?

  • Arvind Dharia - CFO & Secretary, Director

  • Yes, it increased 2.2 million and due to the sluggish economy our account receivable collection days are increased to 66 days.

  • Brett Anderson - Analyst

  • Okay, is that a conscious effort on your part to invest some of the excess cash into your customers and use that as a marketing tool, or is it just that some people you are pulling teeth and still can't get them to pay? I'm calculating wholesale res (ph) were actually down 7.2 percent.

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Much the latter. Much the latter.

  • Brett Anderson - Analyst

  • You are pulling the teeth as hard as you can?

  • Richard Olicker - President & COO

  • Yes.

  • Brett Anderson - Analyst

  • Well, thanks.

  • Operator

  • (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) There are no further questions. Please continue with any closing comments.

  • Jamieson Karson - Vice Chairman & CEO

  • Well, thank you for participating in the call. And we will look forward to speaking with you on the next call.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference call for today. You may now disconnect and thank you for participating.