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Thank you, operator.

I'd like to welcome everyone to Rimini Street third quarter, 2024 earnings conference call on the call with me.

Today is Seth Ravin, our CEO and President and Michael L. Perica.

Our CFO today we issued our earnings press release for the third quarter ended September 30th 2024.

A copy of which can be found on our website under investor relations.

A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures has been provided in the tables following the financial statements in the press release.

An explanation of these measures and why we believe they are meaningful is also included in the press release under the heading about non-GAAP Financial measures and certain key metrics.

As a reminder, today's discussion will include forward-looking statements that reflect our current outlook.

These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made.

Today, we encourage you to review our most recent filings including our form 10-Q file today for a discussion of risks that may affect our future results or stock price.

Now, before taking questions, we'll begin with prepared remarks with that.

I'd like to turn the call over to Seth.

Thank you, Dean and thank you everyone for joining us today.

I'd like to extend a special welcome to new analysts, investors and prospective investors.

Joining our call for the first time to learn more about Rimini Street.

What we do, Rimini Street is a global provider of end to end enterprise software support and innovation solutions and the leading third party support provider for Oracle S AP and VM Ware software.

Rimini Street's award winning services are uniquely designed from top to bottom to support live mission critical enterprise systems with unparalleled engineering systems process and know how capabilities we deliver an industry leading average engineering response time of less than two minutes 24 by 7,365 and earn an average client satisfaction score of 4.9 out of five or five is excellent.

Remaining street serves its clients with more than 2000 full time employees working in 21 different countries and two large lab operations in India and Brazil.

Our services and client achievements for nearly 20 years, we have successfully helped our clients achieve better business outcomes such as significant it, operating cost savings and improved profitability.

Our clients have realized billions of us dollars in savings and funded flexible infrastructure A I and other innovation investments that enable organizational goals, enhance competitive advantage and fuel accelerated growth.

We have spent years designing, developing and now delivering a comprehensive portfolio of unified solutions to run manage support, customize configure, connect, protect, monitor and optimize enterprise application, database and technology software.

The company has signed and successfully delivering on thousands of contracts with fortune global 100 fortune 500 mid market public sector and government organizations who selected Remini Street as their trusted proven mission critical enterprise software solutions provider.

We achieved success by providing excellent responsive service around the clock replacing the software vendors annual maintenance contract and significantly lowering our clients costs resources and time needed to support, manage and run their mission critical P financial HCM and CRM systems.

We also provide support for infrastructure software like databases, middleware, and VM ware while also extending the useful life of all of these systems and software for 15 or more years without any need to perform costly, risky and low value upgrades or migrations.

We also assist our clients with innovation projects that include A I automation workflow and application modernization, new strategic partnership.

During the third quarter, Bill mcdermott, CEO and Chairman of service now and a former fierce competitive rival of Ramini Street is S AP CEO.

And I agreed on the vision for a new enterprise software model and assigned working teams to flush out the details of the model and the partnership.

The model and partnership were officially announced by Bill mcdermott on the service now earnings call and in a press release they issued on October 23rd 2024 as Bill mcdermott shared in Servicenow's announcement, press release quote, Servicenow's partnership with Remini Street gives customers a more unified intelligent platform to maximize their existing software investments for faster path to transformation.

Together, we are enabling a brighter future where technology unlocks unprecedented potential end quote.

The partnership delivers an exclusive enterprise application modernization and A I solution for existing S AP oracle info and Microsoft P and other siloed software that provides quote transformation without disruption and quote since there are no required costly upgrades, migrations or re platforming such as an S A P/E CC or S four Hana cloud or on premise migration to S four Hana rise, which we believe will help clients achieve significant savings, derive immediate business transformation value.

And RO I with this new solution, Remini Street will design and deploy a new service now layer over and across existing P SAS and other software supported by Remini Street and that siloed systems and data deliver powerful enterprise A I and an integrated quote, single pane of glass and quote view of an organization that provides actionable operational insights and enhances competitive advantage.

Implement intelligent workflows and task automation that increase productivity and reduce labor requirements.

Offer users new modern screen and mobile capabilities, interactions and experiences and further extend the useful life span of existing P and other software.

With this new partnership, we will not only be a client's global one stop shop for operational and cost optimization that helps maximize the useful life span of an organization's existing P and enterprise software portfolio.

But we will also be their global partner to design deploy, manage and support the service now layer of the integrated solution.

As the client software portfolio changes over time to include a hybrid of new on premises, cloud and SAS software.

We plan to support the new enterprise software and adjust the service now layer as needed to integrate the software landscape changes 2024 Q3 activity and results sales during the quarter included a mix of our services and solutions including our new support for VM Ware.

We also achieved improved new logo acquisition sales including major brands and delivered 19 new client sales transactions in the quarter with TCB over $1 million additionally, despite headwinds from our oracle Peoplesoft services wind down and the termination of several large renewal agreements in Q4, 2023 and Q1 2024 that led to negative year over year quarterly revenue growth.

We believe our focus on fielding the right sales and marketing team organizing around the right go to market strategy and managing with the right leadership team was reflected in the 7.7% year over year improvement in quarterly billings.

The billings improvement included solid results for contract renewal and extensions and professional services and the billings improvements were led by the North America and Asia Pacific regions.

We were pleased that our full complement of sales and marketing organizations demonstrated an improved teaming approach during the quarter and they were intensely focused on driving more leads, building more pipeline and closing more business through detailed methodical sales discipline and execution.

Oracle litigation update.

Rimini Street and Oracle have been in litigation for nearly 15 years including cases known as Remini one and Remini two with respect to Remini, one which was filed by Oracle against Remini Street in 2010.

Litigation has run its course and there are no current litigation activities related to remedy one.

However, there is a remaining one permanent injunction that remains in effect with respect to Remini two which was filed by Remini Street against Oracle in 2014.

There are currently three post trial litigation matters each before the court of appeals.

One appeal of the Remini two findings and the Remini two injunction two, a motion to further stay the remaining two injunction pending a decision on Remi's appeal of Remini, two injunction and three appeal of the district court's award of $58.5 million to oracle for attorney's fees and costs related to the remaining two findings that are on appeal with respect to the Remini, two merits appeal and appeal of the Remini two injunction briefings were submitted prior to oral arguments and oral arguments were made before the Court of appeals on June 5th 2024.

As the date of this report, the court's decision is pending with respect to the oracle attorney's fees and costs appeal.

We filed our notice of appeal with the court of appeals on September 24th 2024 and our opening brief is due on January 21st, 2025 on October 22nd, 2024 we paid oracle the 58.5 million in full in compliance with the court order.

As of the date of this report, the company's appeal remains pending for additional information and disclosures.

Regarding the company's litigation with Oracle.

Please see our disclosures in the company's quarterly report on form 10-Q filed today October 30th 2024 with the US Securities and Exchange Commission.

Please also note that at this time we are still unable to provide material additional information beyond the disclosures and statements in our press releases, filings with the SCC and court filings nor provide guidance with respect to future financial results.

Nor are we able to provide additional commentary related to the pending oracle litigation and potential impacts of the remaining two injunction because the matters are still before the core and the outcomes cannot be predicted.

Summary, we are pleased with our third quarter execution that led to an uptick in performance compared to the prior two quarters, we remain confident that we are continuing to take the right actions and making the right investments to accelerate a return to growth and profitability, enhance shareholder value and bring our litigation with oracle to a successful conclusion.

However, if remaining Street does not adequately reorganize its operations to optimize cost or does not ultimately prevail in the post trial litigation matters.

Summarized above and detailed in our SCC filings.

It could have a material adverse impact on our business and financial results.

Now over to you Michael.

Thank you Seth and thank you for joining us everyone.

Q3, 2024 results revenue for the third quarter.

2024 was $104.7 million a year.

Over year decrease of 2.6% clients within the United States represented 49% while international clients represented 51% of total revenue for the third quarter.

2024 annualized recurring revenue was $401.5 million for the third quarter.

The year over year decrease of 3.6% revenue retention rate for service subscriptions, which makes up 96% of our revenue was 89% with approximately 78% of subscription revenue non-cancelable for at least 12 months.

Despite our methodical focus on gross margin improvement opportunities through efficiency, we will continue to balance gross margin improvement against investment needs to take advantage of new revenue growth opportunities in initiatives such as our nascent services for VM Ware and service.

Now operating expenses as noted in our previous earnings call we initiated and continue to execute a cost optimization plan to reduce our net operating costs by $35 million on an annualized basis.

Measured from Q1 quarter, end 2024 to Q1 quarter, end 2025.

Since the implementation of this plan, approximately $14.9 million of net annualized reductions have been achieved for the third quarter.

The reorganization charge associated with this cost optimization plan was $1.4 million.

We expect to incur additional reorganization costs during the fourth quarter of 2024.

As we continue to optimize our cost structure, sales and marketing expenses.

As a percentage of revenue was 34.2% of revenue for the third quarter compared to 33.1% of revenue for the prior year.

Third quarter on a non-GAAP basis, which excludes stock based compensation expense, sales and marketing expenses.

As a percentage of revenue was 33.6% for the third quarter compared to 32.4% of revenue for the prior year.

Third quarter.

General and administrative expenses as a percentage of revenue excluding outside litigation costs was 15.8% for the third quarter compared to 17.1% of revenue for the prior year.

Third quarter on a non-GAAP basis which excludes stock based compensation expense and litigation costs.

G&A was 14.6% of revenue for the third quarter compared to 15.4% of revenue for the prior year.

Third quarter.

The decline is due mostly to the cost optimization initiative we announced during our Q2, 2024 earnings release.

However, G&A expenses as a percentage of revenue are expected to remain elevated compared to our peers due in large part to the ongoing cost for in house legal and compliance teams and other costs made necessary by our ongoing oracle litigation and compliance activities, professional fees and other costs of litigation was 879,000 for the third quarter compared to $2.1 million for the prior year.

Third quarter.

As Seth addressed earlier, there was a litigation expense, accrual of $58.5 million in the third quarter that represented the court ordered reimbursement to oracle for their attorney's fees and costs related to the remaining two case.

This amount was paid in full on October 22nd 2024.

Our Nongaap operating margin which excludes outside litigation spend and stock based compensation was 12.8% of revenue for the third quarter compared to 15.4% for the prior year.

Third quarter, the net loss attributable to shareholders for the third quarter was negative 43.1 million or negative 47¢ per diluted share compared to the prior year.

Third quarter.

Net income of 8¢ per diluted share on a nongaap basis.

Net income for the third quarter was $19.9 million or 22¢ per diluted share compared to the prior year.

Third quarter of 13¢ per diluted share adjusted ebita defined in our press release was $13.7 million for the third quarter or 13.1% of revenue compared to the prior year.

Third quarter of 17% of revenue, we ended the third quarter, September 30th 2024 with a cash balance in short term investments of $119.5 million compared to $128.1 million of cash and short term investments for the prior year.

Third quarter on a cash flow basis for the third quarter, operating cash flow decreased $18.5 million compared to the prior year quarter, decrease of $8.1 million deferred revenue as of September 30th 2024 was $223.3 million compared to deferred revenue of $238.4 million from the prior year.

Third quarter backlog which includes the sum of billed deferred revenue and non cancelable future revenue was $574.6 million as of September 30th 2024 compared to $550.1 million for the prior year.

Third quarter, as noted in our previous earnings call, the company announced that it would wind down services for Oracle Peoplesoft products and began to wind down project in the third quarter.

The wind down includes the company's Remini support, Remini, manage and Remini consult services for oracle Peoplesoft products.

As the company provides services for Oracle Peoplesoft products to clients globally.

The wind down process is expected to take place over several phases.

We expect significant reductions in Oracle Peoplesoft related revenue over time but it is still unclear when the company will be able to cease providing all Oracle Peoplesoft services.

Revenue related to providing services for Oracle Peoplesoft products accounted for approximately $24.9 million or 8% of revenue for the first nine months ended, September 30th 2024 and $27.6 million or 9% of revenue for the nine months ended.

September 30th 2023 respectively, business outlook.

The company is continuing to suspend guidance as to future financial results until there is more clarity around impacts from current litigation activity before the US federal courts and the company's ongoing litigation with Oracle.

For additional information and disclosures regarding the company's litigation with Oracle.

Please see our disclosures in the company's quarterly report on form 10-Q filed on October 30th 2024 with the US Securities and Exchange Commission.

This concludes our prepared remarks.

Operator will now take questions.

Thank you.

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Your first question comes from the line of Brian Kinstlinger from alliance global partners.

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Great.

Thanks.

I got a handful of questions.

First, you highlighted completed portion of your cost cutting objectives and you expect that to be completed by the end of the first quarter of next year, I think you said.

So will the remainder be in the fourth quarter or will some of that also occur in the first quarter of next year?

Brian, it's Michael here.

We are planning and expect to complete the plan by the end of the current quarter, Q4 such that you should see in the first quarter of 2025 the appropriate comparison to the high water mark Q1 of 2024.

Okay.

And then that was a long, a lot of jargon related to the service.

Now, partnership, are you able to concisely describe what your role is?

I was a bit confused and then can you help size or manage expectations for this new offering in terms of short, medium and long term revenue objectives?

Hey, Brian Seth, of course, you've got a bunch of questions.

Listen in terms of the service.

Now I know it's a lot.

It's a, it's a, it's an important partnership.

We have a combined set of products and services that we're going to bring together into a unique solution.

The bottom line is Remini Streets doing all the work.

We have a service now team in our center of excellence that will deploy the service now layer over and above the Remini Street products that we're supporting.

So whether that's an S A P/E RP or an oracle P product along with other enterprise products, they're using, we'll put the service now layer over it, we will do all the work to connect and design the layer and the connectivity to all those other products while we're managing all that software underneath.

So we're not changing our business.

Our business is think of layered take first layer, we replace the vendor maintenance.

The second layer, we run the systems with A MS and we have security and interoperability and consulting and observability products.

Then we now have the service now layer that goes over the top, think of it as icing on the cake, but we're doing all the work, all the labor through our professional services and the licenses will actually be sold directly by service now or one of their partners, we don't resell the licenses.

And, and in terms of the second half of that question, how fast is this ramp?

Is it going to take a lot of time like some of your other solutions have.

Is it going to be more quickly?

How do you think about that?

Well, I think we're going to move into it.

It is a complicated set of pieces that have to come together.

So I think that what you're going to look at is it'll take us the rest of this quarter.

We're setting up environments, we're building out demo environments of the solution that'll probably take through the rest of this quarter.

But we are simultaneously already in the process with many different prospects of going through the architecture beginning the sales process lots of interest already.

We have a lot of inbound requests for people to learn more about the solution because it is getting a lot of airp play with the analysts as you've seen from Constellation Gartner Forester.

Some very, very nice comments about how we're quashing all the issues and challenges people had about moving to third party support.

Now we have the solution that jumps ahead of replacing P goes ahead gets to the to the where people want an enterprise.

I, you know, I A we've got all sorts of things going on that are parts of solutions that are not the same as where they would get to just by going to an S AP rise or another type of migration.

So lots of lots of good interest.

So I think we're off and running in sales.

I think you could see things happen as early as the end of the year or even early next year.

Thanks two more for me and I'll get back in the queue.

The first is when you've introduced new services and you even alluded to this, it's had some pressure on your gross margin.

Michael, can you talk about, have you yet to hire?

Do we see that in the third quarter for this new offering?

And, or VM Ware and what might be the impact of these new businesses on your gross margin in the short term?

Briant, it is early in the investment.

However, as I noted in my prepared remarks, we are managing our mix.

We are managing our investment in the timing to make sure we can deliver an acceptable gross margin.

However, your notion is accurate that typically in the earlier stages of new offerings, it does have a lower than the overall corporate average gross margin.

Okay.

And then my last question relates to cash flow and ebida you haven't made the payment.

Is it to oracle as it stands on the third quarter?

Numbers?

I guess I'm wondering excluding that.

If I look at cash flow versus Ebida, there is a major disconnect.

So can you walk me through the the challenges on cash flow over the last few quarters?

So Brian, it, we see a typical pattern and we have experienced that in calendar 2024 to date where in the first half of the year we typically generate based on our cycle of our invoicing contracts, etcetera cash flow and we burn in the second half of the year.

Of course, as you've noted, and you recognize since the payment has gone out on a timely basis, that will be a drain to the current quarter cash flow.

Okay, thanks.

Thanks, Bret.

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Van Re from Craig Hallam.

Your line is now open.

Great.

Thanks guys.

Couple for me first Seth on the the billings number.

Now, you know, a couple quarters of, of good bill, you know, billings growth, I mean positive numbers.

You know, Q4, obviously, you just referenced Michael, just reference the seasonality.

How do you, I know you're not going to give me a full, a formal guide, but Q4 is a big billings quarter.

Are we still looking at realistic scenarios where you can post another positive billing growth quarter?

Well, II I don't, I, I don't see anything that would be a reason we couldn't post a positive billings quarter.

Of course, you know, you look at where we've been over the last few quarters.

Our focus is of course, looking at the sequential numbers based on quarterly ups and downs as we expect in seasonality.

And I think that from A Q our perspective, we've been pretty clear that our, our pipelines, we've been firm, you look back and what I've mentioned in the 19 deals and T CV, over $1 million.

I think that was some good numbers.

I think we're seeing solid numbers.

The number of offerings that we have creates the distribution of revenue opportunities.

And I think from a global perspective and I, I'm sure you noted that North America was listed in our prepared remarks is one of the areas where we saw growth in that 7.7% of billings.

And as we all know, the story for Remini Street has been a challenge over the last few years in North America, about 50% of our revenue generating engine not forming anywhere near where it needed to be causing the the kind of challenges we've had on the top line and, and of course the business growth.

So the fact that North America, you know, it's it's notable that we saw some, some good, some good billings growth in North America in Q3.

Yeah.

Fair enough and then on the on retention and correct me if I'm wrong.

But I think that the retention number while it was up is a trailing 12 months number.

So it gives you some read, but it tends to be a very serious lag.

I know you had some churn events, you know, later in the year, last year and into this year.

What, you know, given that that number is kind of a trailing of, you know, event, what did you see this quarter?

And what are your customers telling you over the next few quarters?

And what does that tell you about how this overall retention number is going to trend over the next several quarters?

Well, I think Jeff, what we've seen is, you know, we had indicated that in Q2 and the Q, you know, that we saw a steadying of the number that, that and truly, we had a few one time events that were pretty large in contracts that ended in the Q4 and Q1 period, that we didn't see a trend analysis.

And of course, that's what everyone was watching for.

Was this the beginning of a downward slide in retention or were these truly 11 time some big bites that we had to take?

And I think we've proven over the last few quarters that, that stability has held that if you, if you take our current revenue number for Q3 and you subtract out the revenue flow through loss from that Q4 Q1 and you add in there, the peoplesoft wind down from the third quarter, we actually would have been positive in revenue growth for the quarter.

So I think it's really important and that's why we mentioned it in the prepared remarks.

I think as we try to, to figure out how to, to express this Jeff going forward, we thought it was kind of helpful to break out sort of that flow through from those one time events in the renewal side coupled with breaking out, you know, the Peoplesoft wind down so that you could see the true ongoing business.

And if you did take those out, our numbers show we would have been a positive top line growth for the quarter.

And I think that's important.

You add that plus the billings growth and I think you get it, you get a better feel for the business.

Of course, answering the question is, is the business in a turnaround state?

Have we bottomed?

And are we moving ourselves back up the curve?

And I'd say we're, you know, we're mildly optimistic that, that we think we've made that turn, we're at the bottom up plus up a little bit.

And I think that's what the numbers are showing us now.

We need to show that consistency coming into the fourth quarter to show we're trending and it wasn't just a blip.

Seth, how are you feeling on the sales front in terms of, I mean, obviously you're pushing through some cost control measures trying to, trying to drive margin, trying to drive cash flow at the same time, you've been pretty aggressive on the sales hiring.

Where, where do we go from here?

Is this kind of a plateau?

Does that hold its own?

Does that number get thin some?

What, what do you think about sales head count?

Well, the interesting thing about the numbers, Jeff for the, for the third quarter, we were nearly 100% QC C against sales.

That's, that's really good.

The first half of the year we were about 50% of QC C.

So I think that again, performance wise, that shows where we were right about the right number of sellers at 7,273 heads.

Some of those, of course, in ramping stage because they're new, but those numbers I thought felt really good.

So we'll continue to watch that.

We're going to squeeze the sales engine further.

We believe we can get more leverage out of it.

You saw the gross margin up on that side of the house over 60%.

So I think, you know, it, we're seeing the all the numbers and metrics are moving in the right direction.

I, I think we've got a little trouble in Europe.

We've got some trouble down in a NZ that we have to work on.

But I just think the fact that we're seeing North America come up with some good numbers, some solid numbers, complete change of leadership.

Steve's doing a great job as cro really driving a sense of urgency through the sales force with a weekly commit culture.

We've removed everybody who, who we thought was getting up at 930 in the morning and quitting at 330 in the afternoon.

I think we've really got a much more energetic focused team with a lot more discipline.

We moved Kevin Maddock back from leading, the Renewals team back to leading North America.

When he last ran sales, we had 30% average growth.

I'm sorry, above attainment, 130% attainment on the sales force.

We're seeing good things with the discipline.

He's returning to that team.

So we've got a lot of things moving into position And I think, you know, there's, there's a reason to be optimistic that we are, in fact either, you know, at bottom and slightly up from it coming up the other side.

The last for me then on, on the service.

Now, I think it was helpful to, to get a sense of the time line.

Based on the customers, you said you're in customer discussions, You know, talk about like how, how fleshed out is this vision talk maybe in a little more detail about, you know, the customer's reaction.

I mean, the vision is one thing, but what, what is, what's the reaction been thus far?

I think the reaction has been excellent.

I, I've actually been out in many, many executive calls for two months.

We, you know, we've been working on this for, as we said, most of the third quarter and we've been out positioning it unofficially for a couple of months and the response is excellent.

The idea that people can jump ahead to enterprise A I that they can get this single pane of view, a glass of, of the enterprise across systems and out of silos.

And, and really, Jeff, one of the biggest reasons people move forward, besides pressure from the software vendors to move forward with these huge massive upgrade rip and replace projects has been the fact that their users seem to believe that the systems are quote old because they don't like the U I.

They're used to these modern phone UIs, they're used to being able to use mobile to do a lot of tasks and jobs the world has changed since a lot of these software products were rolled out 1,015 years ago.

Functionally, they are absolutely excellent and they can run for a long time.

But if your users have this impression that that it doesn't connect with them.

Well, at the user interface level, at the UX level, imagine if we can streamline that by putting the service now UX layer across the top.

So they're working with this beautiful new UX that's got mobile capability.

The users think they're working on a brand new system, but underneath it is the same system that doesn't have to be replaced.

Think of is remodeling the house.

And so this is really interesting to customers because I can remodel your house.

I can put, I can get you enterprise A I, I can give you enterprise level workflow across systems.

I can give you automation, I can give you all these things without having to do the big p upgrade.

I can leapfrog you potentially five years ahead without all that risk, cost and distraction and give you value five years faster than the other guys can and do even more than they will even when you're done with it.

So this is why it's so interesting to clients.

I think it's going to be a very significant opportunity.

I think the number of thousands of clients just left, for example, that haven't even done it an upgrade or a migration yet on S AP all of those oracle customers.

And, and you may have noted that we mentioned in for and dynamics on, on Microsoft, these are a huge customer group that are interested in this.

Is it just so unclearing the revenue model, the abstraction layer or the license for that, that piece that you're developing gets sold by somebody else that's not relevant, relevant to your or revenue to you.

I should say.

So you'll your revenue play is you're offering the support layer and the managed services layer, the abstraction layer is sold by somebody else and then service now layers on top of that, is that the right way to think about it?

That's correct.

They get, they get the licenses, we're not involved in the licenses.

And we, we do all the service and all the subscriptions, and we build it all and manage it all for years and years to come.

Yeah.

Okay, great.

I'll leave it there.

Thank you.

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Your next question comes from the line of direct wood from TD Cowen.

Your line is now open.

Hi, team.

This is Jared on for Derek.

I was just curious if we could get a little more color on the impact from Peoplesoft in the quarter and then maybe some expectations when the majority of this revenue of winded down in the future.

Yeah, good question there.

And, and good to have you on the call too.

We're also looking at understanding the tail and how this will wind down over time.

We do have a substantial number of contracts, I think, as we said, somewhere around 170 contracts all with varying lengths of commitment.

And that's why we said we're not really sure yet when we're going to be able to say we will completely stop servicing Peoplesoft product.

However, we did shut off, when we made the announcement, we shut off taking on a generally new client and new Peoplesoft business.

So that was the first phase, second phase was working with and contacting all the clients to let them know that we want to be in a wind down phase, start talking to them about what their plans are about moving.

Of course, a number of them already have next generation thoughts on where they might go and beginning that dialogue and we've been doing that.

So everyone's been notified of our intent and desire to, to wind down the line.

But no, I cannot give you an exact revenue fall off rate or, or waterfall when that revenue will fall.

We just don't know yet different customers, very different plans and a lot of them didn't have plans to make movements yet.

And so we're just beginning those discussions and talking about how we can help them accelerate or make those adjustments.

Okay, I appreciate that color.

And then on the VM Ware business, how is this going relative to your initial expectations and maybe walk us through the Alcatel lucent when what drove them to select Remini and maybe some of the cost advantages from this solution compared to maybe your S AP or other solutions.

Thank you.

Sure.

So, the VMVM Ware is off and running again, nice pipeline with that business.

It takes a while.

I mean, this is this is an important layer in the it structures and because it's a mission critical layer, we have to go through a lot of discussions with the customers.

We have to go through with their engineering teams and we're spending just as much time helping them try to understand what their options are again, in a lot of ways, we're, we're helping them by time and optionality in order to do a few different things.

One potentially renegotiates with VM Ware eventually regarding their licenses.

That's one option, a second looking at other options like Dannis and, and other solutions.

The problem is for some of these clients, they're so large and they use so many, you know, thousands of copies of VM Ware, they have to go through a testing cycle, AP OC cycle to prove out any of these other solutions to make sure they're comfortable.

And that is a process of building the test environments running those tasks.

Then if you choose one, then you're going to have to negotiate contracts.

Deployment could take a while, it could take a few years to make a change to a different platform.

So we're offering up to five years right now for initially for customers to have this opportunity to just get out from underneath being forced into a massive contract price increase.

That includes a change to subscription.

Some customers are getting bills reportedly 10 to 12 times what they were paying before and we're offering to do it for the same price they're paying right now.

And so it's going well, we're doing we're supporting customers in, in all continents today all the way up to banks and financial institutions.

So we're working in, in all different types of industries and it's going very well.

Customers are very happy with the service.

Awesome, good to good to hear all that color.

And then last one for me, I thought it was encouraging to see the 90 new client's quarter over quarter.

Just any call out you make on what's driving that strength.

Well, I think again, a new focus back on new logos.

And I think we talked in prior calls about the challenge when you, when you open up a whole bunch of new services and you put those in your sales rep's bag, it's very common for them to want to take those.

And now they run back to all the existing customers wanting to cross sell all those new services that they didn't have before because we all know the cross sell, traditionally is an easier sale than going out and getting a new client.

And so, you know, people follow easier money, and the sales reps did exactly that they went, and they were spending a lot of time, too much time trying to cross sell the existing client base with new services.

Okay.

That's nice.

But the problem is that was at the cost of going out and getting new logos.

And so we've put a bunch of new things in place.

In fact, we just changed the sales force so that we, we've restructured, our go to market where in North America, the field sales force is only going to focus on new logos.

Once they sell a deal, it goes over to the, the, the new team, the farming team, which will then take it from there and they will do the cross sales going forward.

So that is a huge change.

We are determined to get back to driving large new logo acquisition and we've done that by adopting a split sales team where that field sales team is only going to focus on new logos.

Awesome, appreciate all the color.

There are no further questions at this time.

I will now turn the call back to Seth Ravin.

Please continue.

Great.

Thank you everybody for joining us for the call.

We appreciate that and I look forward to any further questions.

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So, thank you very much and have a great day, everybody.

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