Peoples Bancorp Inc (PEBO) 2009 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good morning, and welcome to Peoples Bancorp's conference call. My name is Ryan, and I will be your conference facilitator today. Today's call will cover Peoples Bancorp's discussion of results of operations for the quarter ended September 30, 2009. Please be advised all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period. (Operator Instructions).

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Peoples Bancorp's third-quarter 2009 earnings release was issued this morning and is available at peoplesbancorp.com. This call will include about 15 minutes of prepared commentary, followed by a question-and-answer period, which I will facilitate. An archived webcast of this call will be available on peoplesbancorp.com.

Peoples Bancorp's participants in today's call will be Mark Bradley, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Ed Sloane, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, and both will be available for questions following opening statements. Mr. Bradley, you may begin your conference.

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to our conference call. Today, Peoples Bancorp reported a net loss after preferred dividends of $4.6 million, or $0.44 per diluted common share, compared to net income of $0.28 per share in the third quarter of 2008. Third-quarter results were negatively impacted by a higher-than-normal provision for loan loss expense and other-than-temporary impairment charges, or OTTI, in Peoples' investment securities portfolio. The OTTI charges reduced after-tax earnings by $0.37 per diluted common share.

Trends in other operating results were generally positive for the quarter, but were overshadowed by the losses related to asset quality.

In the third quarter, Peoples recorded a provision for loan loss of $10 million compared with $5 million in the linked quarter and $6 million in the third quarter of 2008. The increased provision expense was due mainly to elevated charge-off levels from nonaccrual loans that have been nonaccrual loans for the last several quarters. Updated appraisals were ordered and received, and based on those appraisals and management's review of the information, $4.9 million, or half of the $10 million quarterly provision, was related to these collateral value declines.

The remaining loan loss provision in the third quarter was due to a handful of credit downgrades within the portfolio, which led to [reserve] building. At September 30, Peoples' allowance for loan losses stood at $26 million, or 2.46% of total loans, up from $23 million, or 2.12% of total loans, on June 30.

Nonperforming assets increased modestly from the linked quarter end to $43 million, or 4% of total loans and other real estate owned. During the quarter, $11 million of commercial loans were placed on nonaccrual status, and this increase was partially offset by chargedowns and payoffs on existing nonperforming loans.

Of the new loans placed on nonaccrual status during the quarter, approximately $6 million was due to a single commercial real estate credit on a retail shopping center located in central Ohio. At quarter-end, Peoples' nonperforming assets consisted of primarily commercial real-estate-backed loans.

We are somewhat encouraged that we have been able to reach resolution in the last six months on a couple of our nonperforming loans, but there is still work to be done. This will take some time, as about $24 million of our $43 million of nonperforming loans are spread over five borrowers, with all of these projects being CRE, or commercial real estate, deals.

These larger projects are moving slowly through the workout process as commercial real estate markets see limited activity as would-be buyers remain on the sidelines. We will continue to be proactive in working out problem credits and will remain focused on reducing nonperforming assets as we go forward.

During the third quarter, Peoples also realized a loss of $5.9 million from OTTI charges in our investment portfolio. The after-tax impact of these charges to third-quarter earnings was $3.9 million, or $0.37 per diluted common share, as mentioned previously.

Despite the elevated provision expense and credit charges on the investment portfolio, Peoples maintained strong capital ratios. At September 30, Peoples' total risk-based capital ratio was 16.39%, which remained substantially higher than the regulatory minimum needed to be considered well-capitalized.

From the end of the second quarter, Peoples' tangible common equity to tangible assets ratio increased 44 basis points to 7.22%. The improvement in this ratio was driven mainly by an increase in the fair value of Peoples' available-for-sale investment portfolio. Our capital position remains a source of strength to deal with difficult economic conditions and work our way through asset quality issues.

I will now turn the call over to our CFO, Ed Sloane, for his comments on third-quarter results.

Thanks, Mark. First, I would like to provide some detail on the other than temporary impairment charges that Mark mentioned. During the course of our analysis on the investment portfolio, we determined two individual securities to be impaired in the third quarter -- one single-bank-issued trust preferred security and one collateralized debt obligation, comprised mostly of bank-issued trust preferred securities and other debt obligations.

Our analysis deemed the single trust preferred security to be a total loss, resulting in a $4 million charge. We do not see a high likelihood of recovery in this investment due to the issuer's recent financial performance, very low capital ratios and recent deferment on payment.

The CDO was charged down by $1.9 million, as our analysis indicated a decline in future cash flows expected to be collected from the security. We determined that these credit charges were necessary, as we do not expect to recover the entire amortized cost of the securities. Peoples' remaining exposure to CDO securities is $2.8 million.

At September 30, Peoples had 10 remaining single-bank-issued trust preferred securities with an aggregate book value of $17 million. The majority of the remaining securities are issued by large institutions with healthy capital positions, with $10 million of the remaining portfolio going through the capital stress test performed by federal bank supervisors earlier this year. All of our remaining trust preferred securities are current on contractual payments.

As Mark alluded to earlier, outside of asset quality, Peoples' results for the third quarter were generally positive. Net interest income and margin were similar to the second quarter at $15.5 million and 3.45%, respectively.

Interest income was challenged slightly by declines in quarterly average loan balances due to some large payoffs and the addition of loans to nonaccrual status. However, reductions in interest expense compensated for the declines in interest income. We credit some of the drop in interest expense to our ability to maintain average deposit balances similar to the second quarter, while paying down higher-cost borrowings as they came due.

Looking forward, we have about $50 million in borrowings maturing in the fourth quarter at a weighted average rate of 4.7%. We plan to roll over those borrowings at much lower rates. We anticipate net interest margin for the fourth quarter of 2009 will be in the 3.45% to 3.55% range, as the repricing of the maturing borrowings should give us some lift.

A key in our long-term balance sheet strategy has been to replace higher-cost sources of funding with core deposit growth, and we continued to see success in that area during the third quarter. Average deposits were relatively flat to the linked quarter; however, we were able to reduce some of our non-core deposits while also lengthening CD duration and increasing core deposit balances.

During the quarter, retail CD balances' declines were related to national market CDs from customers outside our market footprint and CDARS CDs, both of which we consciously priced at lower yields or did not rebid. We replaced much of this funding with core deposit growth in money market accounts, interest-bearing checking and savings accounts. The rest of the funding was replaced with brokered CDs that we booked at advantageous terms in order to extend CD duration.

As a result of execution on our deposit strategies, we were able to reduce total borrowings by $25 million over the prior quarter-end, which aided the eight basis point drop in overall core -- cost of funds.

Peoples' third-quarter noninterest income was down 6% from the linked quarter, due mostly to decreases in mortgage banking income and insurance income. Mortgage refinancing activity has slowed from volumes seen in the first half of the year, and our gain on sale income from mortgages sold to the secondary market has decreased correspondingly.

Peoples' total noninterest income for the first nine months of 2009 is equal to the same period in 2008, despite the continuation of a soft insurance market and declines in fiduciary income.

Deposit service charges are up 4% and mortgage banking income is up 177% year-to-date, while BOLI income has declined by 34% over the same period. We expect noninterest income for the fourth quarter to be similar to or slightly lower than the third quarter, as we look for continued slowdown in mortgage banking revenues.

Non-interest expense was $14.1 million for the third quarter, down from $15.5 million in the linked quarter. Key drivers of the reduction in operating expenses were the absence of the FDIC special assessment paid in the second quarter, as well as reversal of incentive accruals that would have been paid at year-end 2009 had Peoples attained certain corporate performance goals. As a result of operating expense declines, Peoples' efficiency ratio improved to 58% in the third quarter versus 63% in the second quarter of 2009.

When compared with the third quarter of 2008, operating expense increased 7%, with the vast majority of this increase attributable to increased FDIC insurance expense and professional expenses, such as legal and appraisal fees related to problem loans. We anticipate operating expenses to be approximately $14.5 million in the fourth quarter, due primarily to the absence of the incentive accrual reversal.

And now, I will turn the call back to Mark for his final comments.

Thanks, Ed. As we have detailed in some length, the third quarter was a tough one for Peoples in terms of bottom-line earnings and asset quality, but we have been proactively identifying and dealing with issues as they arise.

It is prudent in these times to preserve our capital, which led to the recent reduction in our shareholder dividend. Some have asked why $0.10 for a quarterly dividend, and simply put, we believe our normal run rate for quarterly earnings is in the $0.20 to $0.25 range, which assumes a loan loss provision of $5 million to $6 million per quarter.

Our corporate philosophy is to pay between 30% and 50% of earnings in dividends to our shareholders. Therefore, the $0.10 quarterly dividend makes more sense, based on the challenging economy, higher FDIC expenses and forecasts for tough sledding in the commercial real estate markets for the next several quarters.

Reducing the dividend was a tough decision for our leadership team, as we were proud of our 40-plus-year streak of dividend growth. But capital is king in an environment like the one we are experiencing now. As earnings improve, we will look at the dividend as a way of increasing shareholder return for our investors.

We are also seeking to increase operating efficiencies whenever possible. We are in the process of examining a number of strategies to reduce costs and enhance revenues without compromising our ability to serve clients and deepen customer relationships.

Looking back on the third quarter, we are encouraged by stable net interest income and margin, effective expense control and improved operating efficiency. However, we continue to battle asset quality issues due to deteriorating market conditions and real estate values. Despite these challenges, we've preserved our capital strength, plus nonperforming assets remained stable compared to year-end 2008. We are being proactive in the management of our problem loans and investments, and building reserves when appropriate. We are also working to dispose of problem assets when practical.

Looking ahead, we don't expect general economic conditions in our markets to change much in the next several quarters. However, despite all the obstacles we currently face, our focus has not changed. Going forward, our key priorities are to, one, manage asset quality and capital; two, continue progressing on our customer-centric sales and service strategy; three, seek operating efficiencies and revenue enhancements where possible; and four, proactively manage the balance sheet to minimize risk, while providing adequate return.

Peoples' associates remain committed to providing excellent service to our clients and working as teammates across our lines of business. Now more than ever, we understand the importance of serving our clients' needs and building relationships for the long-term. As always, we will remain focused on the long-term success of our clients, shareholders, employees and communities as we make the best of a challenging operating environment.

This concludes our commentary, and we will open the call for questions. Once again, this is Mark Bradley, and joining me for the Q&A session will be Ed Sloane, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call back into the hands of our call facilitator. Thank you.

(Operator Instructions) Daniel Arnold, Sandler O'Neill.

A couple of questions here. First, looked like your OCI was up quite a bit, a little over $11 million in the quarter. I just wanted to see what on the securities-available-for-sale portfolio was driving that higher?

We did a lot of -- Dan, we did a number of restructuring -- a good bit of restructuring, I should say, in the fourth quarter of 2008 that moved our securities to a lower duration. And as a result of that, we are seeing some of that improvement in fair value as we've gone through this year. Our fair value number has increased some $22 million since the fourth quarter of last year. So that is the main driver in the OCI, the restructuring of our investment portfolio to more of an asset-sensitive position at the end of the year.

So do you think there is going to be any future gains in that as we go forward, or -- I mean, should that continue to grow, or --?

I think it is probably going to level off as we move into the fourth quarter and into the early part of next year. We've seen most of the increase in that number in the early part of the year.

Okay. Then I know you briefly mentioned on the expense front they should be up a little bit in the fourth quarter, by $400,000 or so. And I think you said that there was an incentive accrual reversal, incentive compensation accrual reversal this quarter. Just wanted to see what the amount of that was.

Dan, this is Mark. I think we understood your question to be what was the amount of the incentive accrual reversal.

Yes.

It's a little tough to hear you. But the amount was roughly $600,000.

$600,000, okay. And then just on the credit quality side, because I think that is probably the focus for most people here, it looks like you guys have brought the reserve up quite a bit. Do you expect it to kind of level off at the, say, 2.46%, or do you think you will continue to see it grow as we continue to experience economic difficulties?

It is a hard call. It really depends on the level of continued downgrades in the portfolio and where that actually falls out. As you said, it is at the 2.46% mark right now. I just can't really answer the question as to whether or not that is going to continue to build. We are seeing some leveling off of NPAs, and I think that is a big component of it. But again, it will depend on where downgrades go as we move forward here.

Okay. And then lastly, just on the balance sheet, it looks like commercial loan paydowns are continuing to bring down loan balances. Have you guys seen any reversal of that trend or have you guys been aggressive there -- writing credits that you think are coming through that look pretty good in this environment or anything like that?

Concerning new potential loan growth, we have been looking at some deals that we are contemplating that could add to loan growth. But I think they will be more than offset by any further chargedowns. And we know of one other large potential paydown on the assisted-living segment that we have that probably will occur in the next three to six months, and that is upwards of $7 million or $8 million. So we expect that to happen. I do not see much loan growth from us over the next couple of quarters.

That answers most of my questions for now, guys. I appreciate it.

Thank you.

(Operator Instructions) Daniel Cardenas, Howe Barnes.

Just a quick question on the credit quality side. Can you comment on what your 30- to 89-day bucket looked like at the end of the quarter and how that compared to the second quarter?

Yes, Dan, I can share some of that information with you. Basically, it is unchanged over the last several quarters. It is really unchanged since year-end and unchanged since June 30, as well. A lot of our chargedowns and provision in the third quarter was related to loans already on nonaccrual. So really, we are not seeing much change in the 30-day bucket.

I think the unique part is, and as I think we talked about this at our last conference call, we are seeing more loans skip 30 days and go straight to chargeoff on the consumer side. So our delinquencies are doing quite well, actually, surprisingly good. But we are still seeing some consumer chargeoffs that skip the 30-day mark.

Thank you. And then just on the deposit side, I noticed the linked-quarter increase in your money market deposit accounts. Who are you -- where are those coming from?

I think the question was related -- it is very hard to hear the question -- but I think the question is related to the increase in money markets and where those are coming from, and I will ask Ed to address that.

Increase in money markets, where they are coming from, we've seen some shift in our deposit mix as we've gone through the year, and that was really part of our overall deposit strategy during the course of the year, was to either maintain our deposit -- our overall deposit levels or actually show growth in our deposit balances overall.

And we've been very successful at doing that, Dan. What we've seen is a shift out of retail CDs and into the savings and money market balances; both have been up during the course of the year. And that has been a trend that we would expect to see going forward, as well. Non-interest-bearing deposit balances have also been relatively stable during the year.

The fact that we've been able to keep our deposits at a relatively high level and actually grow them during the course of the year has also allowed us to reduce our borrowings. And that, again, has been part of our strategy this year, to take some of those higher-cost borrowings and be able to bring those balances down. So, does that answer your question?

Yes, it does. And then just one last question in terms of competition, can you give us just a general sense for what -- on both the deposit and the loan side, what competition is like right now? Would you call it rational, or is it otherwise?

I think we are still seeing rational competition both on loans and deposits. I think the absence of the super-high pricing on the deposit side from 18 months ago is a good thing, and I think loan pricing is reasonable. Obviously, the best credits are still getting the best pricing, and it is very competitive there. But I think it is a rational competitive environment right now.

Just one last question, if you could comment -- do you have any appetite right now for FDIC-assisted transactions?

Yes, we do, Dan.

Thank you.

(Operator Instructions) At this time, there are no further questions. Sir, do you have any closing remarks?

Just thank you to both Dans for some very good questions and thank you to everyone else participating in the phone call. Please remember that our earnings release and a webcast of this call will be archived on peoplesbancorp.com under the investor relations section. Thank you, and have a good day.

That does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.