Peoples Bancorp Inc (PEBO) 2025 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good morning, and welcome to Peoples Bancorp Incorporated's conference call. My name is Gary, and I will be your conference facilitator. Today's call will cover a discussion of the results of operations for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2025. (Operator Instructions) This call is also being recorded. If you object to the recording, please disconnect at this time.

Please be advised that the commentary in this call will contain projections or other forward-looking statements regarding Peoples' future financial performance or future events. These statements are based on management's current expectations.

The statements in this call, which are not historical fact, are forward-looking statements and involve a number of risks and uncertainties detailed in Peoples' Securities and Exchange Commission filings. Management believes the forward-looking statements made during this call are based on reasonable assumptions within the bounds of their knowledge of Peoples' business and operations.

However, it is possible actual results may differ materially from these forward-looking statements. Peoples disclaims any responsibility to update these forward-looking statements after this call, except as may be required by applicable legal requirements.

People's third-quarter 2025 earnings release and earnings conference call presentation were issued this morning and are available at peoplesbancorp.com under Investor Relations. A reconciliation of the non-generally accepted accounting principles or GAAP financial measures discussed during this call to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures is included at the end of the earnings release.

This call will include about 15 to 20 minutes of prepared commentary, followed by a question-and-answer period, which I will facilitate. An archived webcast of this call will be available on peoplesbancorp.com in the Investor Relations section for one year.

Participants in today's call will be Tyler Wilcox, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Katie Bailey, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. And each will be available for questions following opening statements.

Mr. Wilcox, you may begin your conference.

Thank you, Gary. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. Earlier this morning, we reported diluted earnings per share of $0.83 for the third quarter of 2025, an improvement compared to the linked quarter.

During the third quarter of 2025, we sold approximately $75 million of investment securities at a loss of $2.7 million, which negatively impacted our earnings per diluted share by $0.06 for the third quarter. We took this opportunity to sell some of our lower-yielding investment securities in an effort to increase our investment securities yields going forward.

When compared to the linked quarter, some of our highlights for the third quarter included annualized loan growth of 8%. Our net interest income increased nearly $4 million, while our net interest margin expanded by 1 basis point. Excluding accretion income, net interest margin expanded 5 basis points, which marks our fifth straight quarter of core net interest margin expansion.

We continue to produce stable fee-based income. Our quarterly net charge-off rate decreased by 2 basis points, while our provision for credit losses declined by over 50%. Our non-interest expenses declined 1%. Our efficiency ratio improved to 57.1% compared to 59.3%.

Our tangible-equity-to-tangible-assets ratio improved 27 basis points and stood at 8.5%. Our book value per share grew 2%, while our tangible book value per share improved by 4%. And our diluted earnings per share, excluding the losses on investment securities we recorded, exceeded consensus analyst estimates for the quarter.

As we mentioned last quarter, we anticipated a reduction in our provision for credit losses. For the third quarter, our provision for credit losses declined over $9 million and our allowance for credit losses stood at 1.11% of total loans. Our provision for credit losses for the quarter was driven by net charge-offs, loan growth, and a slight deterioration in economic forecasts, which was partially offset by reductions in reserves for individually analyzed loans. For more information on our provision for credit losses, please refer to our accompanying slides.

Our annualized quarterly net charge-off rate was 41 basis points, an improvement from 43 basis points for the linked quarter. The reduction was due to lower small-ticket lease charge-offs as we had anticipated. Our nonperforming loans declined nearly $2 million compared to the linked quarter-end, with improvements in both loans 90-plus days past due and accruing and non-accrual balances.

At September 30, nonperforming loans comprised 58 basis points of total loans compared to 61 basis points at June 30. Criticized loans increased by nearly $24 million compared to the linked quarter-end, while classified loans grew nearly $34 million.

We had a handful of downgrades during the quarter. However, we do anticipate some of these credits will be paid off or upgraded in the fourth quarter. The downgrades were among credits that are unrelated from an industry and geographic standpoint, and viewed as isolated issues. We continue to complete our extensive portfolio reviews while recognizing some softening economic indicators in recent quarters.

At quarter-end, our criticized loan balances as a percent of total loans was 3.99% compared to 3.7% at June 30. Classified loans as a percent of total loans grew to 2.36% at quarter-end compared to 1.89% at the linked quarter-end. Please refer to our accompanying slides for trends in our historical criticized and classified loans.

Our second-quarter delinquency rates were stable, with 99% of our loan portfolio considered current at September 30 compared to 99.1% at the linked quarter-end. We continue to monitor our loan portfolio for impacts from the recent changes in economic conditions and monetary policy, and have not identified any systemic negative trends at this time.

Moving on to loan balances, we have loan growth of $127 million or 8% annualized compared to the linked quarter-end. The most significant areas of growth were in commercial real estate and commercial and industrial loan balances.

At the same time, we had declines in construction loans, as those projects completed and moved into our commercial real estate portfolio. We also had decreases in our lease balances, with the reduction being mostly due to declines in our small-ticket leasing balances.

Our loan production this quarter arrived as anticipated. As we indicated last quarter, we expected and continue to expect payoff activity to be weighted to the second half of the year. Those payoffs have shifted to the fourth quarter and possibly into the first quarter of 2026.

Our year to date loan growth through the third quarter was 6%. And we expect it to come down during the fourth quarter but to remain in our guided range for the full year. Quarter-end, our commercial real estate loans comprised 35% of total loans, 32% of which were owner-occupied while the remainder were investment real estate. At quarter-end, 43% of our total loans were fixed rate, with the remaining 57% at a variable rate.

I will now turn the call over to Katie for a discussion of our financial performance.

Thanks, Tyler. Our net interest income and net interest margin improved by 4% and 1 basis point, respectively, compared to the linked quarter. The increase in net interest margin was due to higher investment security yields compared to the second quarter.

Our investment securities yield improved to 3.79% compared to 3.52% for the linked quarter, as we made moves during the quarter to sell some lower-yielding investment securities at a loss in an effort to be opportunistic with our portfolio yields.

For the third quarter, accretion income declined to $1.7 million and contributed 8 basis points to net interest margin compared to $2.6 million and 12 basis points for the linked quarter. Excluding accretion income, our net interest margin expanded by 5 basis points, which is the fifth straight quarterly increase in core net interest margin.

For the first nine months of 2025, our net interest income improved 1%, while our net interest margin declined 9 basis points compared to 2024. Our lower net interest margin was due to a reduction in our accretion income, which was $7.8 million for 2025, contributing 12 basis points to margin compared to $20.3 million or 33 basis points to margin for 2024.

Excluding accretion income, our net interest margin expanded 12 basis points. We continue to be relatively neutral -- in a relatively neutral interest rate risk position. And we'll continue to take further action on our deposit costs as market interest rates decline.

Moving on to our fee-based income, we had a 1% decline compared to the linked quarter, which was driven by lower lease income and partially offset by higher electronic banking and deposit account service charges.

For the first nine months of 2025, fee-based income grew 7% compared to 2024. The improvement was due to increases in lease income, commercial loan swap fee income, and trust and investment income. As it relates to our non-interest expenses, we experienced a 1% decline from the linked quarter and were within our guided range. This was driven by lower professional fees, which was partially offset by increases in marketing and franchise tax expense.

For the first nine months of 2025, non-interest expenses grew $7.7 million or 4% compared to 2024. The increase was due to higher salaries and employee benefit costs, coupled with higher data processing and software expenses. Our reported efficiency ratio improved to 57.1% compared to 59.3% for the linked quarter. This was primarily due to higher net interest income for the third quarter compared to the linked quarter.

For the first nine months of 2025, our reported efficiency ratio was 59% compared to 57.4% for the same period in 2024. The increased efficiency ratio was largely due to the impact of lower accretion income, coupled with higher non-interest expense compared to the prior year.

Looking at our balance sheet at quarter-end, we had another quarter of considerable loan growth, which was an annualized rate of 8% compared to the linked quarter-end. The loan growth outpaced our deposit growth this quarter, bringing our loan-to-deposit ratio to 88% from 86% at June 30.

Our investment portfolio shrank to 20.5% of total assets compared to 21.2% at June 30. This reduction was primarily due to our sales of around $75 million of lower-yielding investment securities, which resulted in a $2.7 million loss we recognized during the quarter.

We reinvested about half of the proceeds into higher-yielding investment securities and used the remainder to pay down our borrowings. We will continue to look for opportunities to improve the yield on our investment portfolio.

Compared to June 30, our deposit balances were relatively flat. Increases in our money market interest-bearing demand and non-interest-bearing accounts did not offset declines in our brokered CDs, governmental, and savings accounts.

Typically, our governmental deposit balances grow in the third quarter. However, this quarter, the outflows -- the inflows were offset by outflows of tax payments. Our demand deposits as a percent of total deposits remained flat at 34% compared to the linked quarter-end. Our non-interest-bearing deposits to total deposits remained unchanged and stood at 20% at both September 30 and the linked quarter-end.

Our deposit composition was 77% in retail deposit balances, which included small businesses; and 23% in commercial deposit balances. Our average retail client deposit relationship was $26,000 at quarter-end, while our median was around $2,600.

Moving on to our capital position, most of our capital ratios improved compared to the linked quarter-end. This was due to earnings net of dividends more than offsetting the impact of loan growth on risk-weighted assets for the quarter.

Our tangible-equity-to-tangible-assets ratio improved 27 basis points to 8.5% at quarter-end, as higher earnings and reductions in our accumulated other comprehensive losses increased the ratio. Our book value per share grew 2%, while our tangible book value per share increased 4% compared to the linked quarter-end.

Finally, I will turn the call over to Tyler for his closing comments.

Thanks, Katie. We continue to develop our business organically as we await the right opportunity to grow through acquisitions. We're managing our net interest income and net interest margin through this interest rate cycle and have recorded our fifth straight quarter of growth in net interest margin, excluding accretion income.

We boasted 6% of loan growth through the first nine months of 2025. Our provision for credit losses declined to a more normalized rate for the third quarter. We generated positive operating leverage compared to the linked quarter.

For the remainder of 2025, excluding noncore expenses, we expect to achieve positive operating leverage for 2025 compared to 2024, excluding the impact of the reduction in our accretion income, which declined faster than we had anticipated compared to the prior year.

Assuming two 25-basis -point reductions in rates from the Federal Reserve in the fourth quarter, we expect our full-year net interest margin to be in our guided range of between 4% and 4.2%. We continue to be in a relatively neutral position, so the declines in interest rates have a minor impact to our net interest margin.

We believe our fee-based income growth will be in the mid-single-digit percentages compared to 2024. We expect total non-interest expense to be between $69 million and $71 million for the fourth quarter of 2025. We believe our loan growth will be between 4% and 6% compared to 2024. We expect the provision for credit losses similar to the third quarter, excluding any negative impacts to the economic forecasts.

As it relates to 2026, I would like to give some preliminary high-level guidance, which excludes noncore expenses. We expect to achieve positive operating leverage for 2026 compared to 2025. We anticipate our net interest margin will be between 4% and 4.2% for the full year of 2026, which does not include any expected rate cuts.

Each 25-basis-point rate reduction in rates from the Federal Reserve is expected to result in a 3- to 4-basis-point decline in our net interest margin for the full year. We believe our quarterly fee-based income will range between $27 million and $29 million. Our first-quarter fee-based income is typically elevated, as it includes annual performance-based insurance commissions.

We expect quarterly total non-interest expense to be between $71 million and $73 million for the second, third, and fourth quarters of 2026, with the first quarter of 2026 being higher due to the annual expenses we typically recognize during the first quarter of each year.

We believe our loan growth will be between 3% and 5% compared to 2025, which is dependent on the timing of paydowns on our portfolio, which could fluctuate given changes in interest rates. We anticipate a reduction in our net charge-offs for 2026 compared to 2025, which we expect to positively impact provision for credit losses, excluding any changes in the economic forecast.

We will update this guidance in January at our next call. This concludes our commentary, and we will open the call for questions. Once again, this is Tyler Wilcox. And joining me for the Q&A session is Katie Bailey, our Chief Financial Officer.

I will now turn the call back into the hands of our call facilitator. Thank you.

(Operator Instructions) Daniel Tamayo, Raymond James.

Thank you. Good morning, Tyler. Good morning, Katie.

Good morning, Danny.

Maybe one for you, Tyler, on credit to start here. I think you said in the prepared remarks -- correct me if I'm wrong -- on -- the increase in the criticized and classified loans in the quarter that you expect to have some of that come back in the fourth quarter or near term.

Can you just provide some clarification or color on what you -- what would cause you to think that and kind of size the amount of that 27% increase in classified loans, how much of that you would expect to revert?

Sure thing, Danny. Just generally, so we expect to see -- it's a broad variety of kind of results depending on the specific credits. Obviously, we have a very granular view down into it. We expect some refinances. We expect some property sales in these cases.

Just to give you a little bit of color in the criticized book, it's largely based on three loans. There's varying types and varying sizes. In the classified books, it's about four loans that comprise of the increase. A couple of those -- three out of those four actually came from acquired portfolios.

And we expect the kind of an orderly sale or an orderly exit from some of those that's timed in the fourth quarter. And so something on the order of, based on what we know now, $35 million to $55 million in either upgrades or payoffs in that -- in those buckets.

Okay. That's helpful, Tyler. Thanks. And then maybe on the loan growth side. So you've got guidance coming down a little bit in 2026 at the 4% level from what you've done recently and what you're expecting here in the fourth quarter.

Is that -- is there a particular driver behind that? Is there like a paydown assumption that's increasing or something else underlying the loan growth thoughts for '26?

Yeah, Danny, no, thanks. Soon we get some good questions about that. I would say a couple of things. One, we're maybe slightly below this year's guidance, but we're kind of in line with our historic 3% to 9% where we've been.

As we look out in the coming year, obviously, we've been talking for a couple of quarters now about our -- the paydown activity accelerating, particularly in a falling rate environment. That can tend to accelerate sales of completed projects, refinance activity, investors moving projects to the permanent market.

There's probably a small component of that in there of -- future expected multifamily projects cooling off to a degree, and maybe a touch of consumer softening on a go-forward basis as we see kind of increases in auto prices and a little bit of weakness in the consumer.

I think the consumer -- I think all the data would suggest that the top 20% is driving a lot of the activity there. And we tend to bank the 80% more thoroughly. So that's a little bit of the color on kind of where we see things.

That's helpful. And then maybe last one here, just a small one. But as we think about the $10 billion threshold getting closer to that now, do you have kind of updated thoughts on when you might cross that organically?

We think that's a 2027 event. Now let me say -- let me be very clear -- absent any other action. So we also think -- before we have to move any levers outside of just our normal organic growth, we would expect 2027 to be when we would face the crossing issue. And then we would have options to obviously keep ourselves under there.

My hope is that we would potentially do a deal before then. But we retain the flexibility and the patience to not feel the need to go forward with the deal just because 2027 is looming out there.

Understood. Thanks for all the color. I'll step back.

Thanks, Danny.

Thank you.

Brendan Nosal, Hovde Group.

Hey, good morning, Tyler and Katie. Hope you're doing well.

Doing well, Brendan.

Just want to circle back to the loan growth. This one might seem obvious, but just on the growth for this year and for fourth quarter, in particular, given that you're at 6% growth for this year to date and your commentary around payoffs in the fourth quarter, I think it's fair to assume that spot balances are flat in the final quarter of the year?

Yes. Yeah, the payoff activity that we expected to kind of materialize in the third and fourth quarter is really kind of bunched up into the fourth quarter and possibly into the first. And so we still think we have a really good handle on that. We expect record production particularly on the commercial side and record payoffs on the commercial side particularly in the fourth quarter.

Okay. That's helpful. And then maybe just kind of circling to the margin outlook, specifically the commentary around the impact of rate cuts. I think you're saying 3 to 4 basis points per 25-bp cut. I mean, that's -- if it happens like on January 1, right? If we're getting a midyear cut, the impact would be less than that. Is that fair to assume?

That's exactly correct.

Okay. Good. I'm going to sneak one more in here. Just on asset quality, as it pertains to North Star, can you just update us on kind of that plateau commentary that you spoke to last quarter around North Star loss content? And then if things go according to your plan, how do you envision loss content in that book evolving kind of quarter by quarter as we move through next year?

Sure. Brendan, thanks for the question. I think a couple of thoughts. One, we kind of demonstrated in our charts that the continued work as it relates to the high-balance accounts, which as we've discussed, kind of have correlated highly with the losses in that portfolio. That high-balance account -- portfolio is now down to about $15 million, $16 million and continues to fall. And obviously, we're not refilling that bucket.

And so the outlook for the fourth quarter and for the first quarter of next year, are that that plateau will kind of continue in the range of where it's been specific to the North Star Leasing charge-offs, with our expectation that the portfolio -- the plateau will begin to get a little bit of a slope down to it in that second and third quarter and get to a normalized rate.

Right now, the production in that portfolio is obviously not staying in pace with the amortization and the charge-offs. And that's by design as we make -- as we exercise some credit discipline and stick to our knitting there. So that's where we think we'll end up.

Okay. That's super helpful glide path to that for that part of the business. All right. Thank you for taking my questions.

Thank you.

Thanks, Brendan.

Nathan Race, Piper Sandler.

Hi, this is Adam Kroll, on for Nathan Race.

Hey, no problem.

Yeah. So maybe just starting on the margin front, given the guide for 2026, for Katie, I was wondering if you'd be able to expand on what offsets you have to your floating rate portfolio if we were to get a few cuts in '26 and maybe what you have in terms of fixed rate loan repricing and securities cash flow rolling off?

Yeah. So on -- as we've shown over the course of 2025, we have been continuously taking action on the deposit portfolio and predominantly the retail CD product that's within that portfolio. We also have some floating rate borrowings that we'll look to, to provide us some optionality as rates fall.

And then the other piece of your question was on the investment securities portfolio. It generally trends $15 million to $20 million a month of normal cash flow. And I would just say, as you probably have seen in the balance sheet, we did have some short-term funding in there, too. So that fluctuates, obviously, as does the variable rate loans.

Got it. That's super helpful. Maybe just another one on North Star, I was wondering if you could quantify the charge-off contribution from the high-balance accounts, specifically during the quarter? Just trying to get a sense of how large of a driver of those accounts are as you meaningfully reduce your exposure over the last few quarters?

In the third quarter here, they were about 25% of the charge-offs. We expect kind of 30% for the full year, if you look at the full-year projection of where those charge-offs will be coming from.

Got it. And then last one for me on the securities restructure. Is there any sort of earn-back or any sort of metric you evaluate in your decision-making process? And is there any consideration for a larger one?

So yes, there is an earn-back considered. I think we're about 1.5 years on this one. We try to quantify it also from a loss perspective. We don't want to flush through a significant loss in any given quarter. We want it to be manageable.

As far as a more meaningful in size loss trade, surely, we have evaluated them. We don't see the need by which to have to do that transaction at this point. And so we have continued to just be opportunistic and periodically look at the portfolio.

I would just note, this trade also was what we would call an odd lot trade. There was a lot of small pieces in our portfolio and so to make it more manageable in a number of securities that was part of this transaction as well.

We've done a few of these over the past couple of years, and we've consistently kept them under two years and -- kind of as a discipline.

And on the loss side, generally, $2 million to $3 million is kind of our appetite in a given quarter.

Got it. That was super helpful, and thanks for taking my questions.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Tim Switzer, KBW.

Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions.

Good morning, Tim.

Hey, Tim.

The first one I have is, there's been some noise around the market around consumer behavior and the health of the consumer, particularly like the subprime end of the market?

And just given your guys exposure in both the deposit and loan side and your commentary about maybe slower growth for consumer in '26, just curious if you guys have seen any indications of that at all or any changes in behavior?

Well, the good news -- let me start with the good news. We have our auto portfolio -- it comprises about $700 million, and the subprime component of that is about $1 million. So we feel really good about our lack of exposure to subprime in the consumer side. And our average origination yield on the indirect side in the most recent quarter was close to $750 million. So we're sticking to our knitting there.

I will say, Tim, that we have seen some increased surrender activity. I think the affordability of vehicles, particularly as tariffs are helping finally drive up some of the pricing, is challenging for consumers. And from a deposit standpoint, I think I haven't seen any indications of increased utilization of our deposit protection services and overdraft protection services. But we'll obviously monitor that. That we'd be an outlet for that kind of activity.

I think there is a lot of pent-up demand though for refis. And if we see a falling rate environment, if mortgage rates do fall, we'd see an increase in refi activity and probably an increase in home purchases. So debt-to-incomes are kind of going down a little bit year over year, but we're watching it.

It's -- on the flip side, our indirect losses -- I think last year, we're running at about 88 basis points. And this year quarter to date, there is 70. So there's -- I would say that's a result of the discipline in the underwriting.

Okay. Great. That was very helpful. I appreciate all the color there. And then on your previous commentary about the $10 billion asset threshold not getting there until 2027, if we take the high end of your loan growth guidance for '26, that kind of gets you right to the $10 billion mark.

What are your plans if you have to kind of manage near in that level for a while? Is it run down deposits in the securities book a little bit? Just curious how you guys are going to approach that.

Yeah. I think the securities book is our first place to look. I think right now, at 9/30, we're at 20.5%. I think historically, we've guided an 18% to 20% range to assets. So obviously, there's some room there.

We have some overnight funding and some funding there that we could help manage the asset side. So those would be the first places we would look.

Okay. Got you. And then one really quick last one. Can you remind us of the dollar amount of the seasonality for non-interest income and expenses? I think it was about $1.5 million in insurance income in Q1, but wasn't positive about the expenses.

Yeah. I think you're right. On the contingent -- performance-based income we see in our Insurance Agency, it's generally $1.5 million to $2 million, thereabout. So that would be the revenue side.

And on the expense side, it varies a bit. And it's predominantly around contributions to employee health savings accounts, some stock activity that happens in the first quarter, both with granting and vesting. So the -- I'd say that probably is close to the 2%, 2.5% range.

Great. Thank you, guys.

Thank you.

Terry McEvoy, Stephens.

Morning, this is Brandon Rud, on for Terry.

Hi, Brandon.

I first want to just click on loan growth last quarter, kind of a two-parter. For C&I loans, can you expand if there are any particular industries or regions that contribute to that growth?

And on the Premium Finance side, looks like they were down year over year. So was that more strategic, or is that just a reflection of what the market's offering now?

Yeah. As to your first question, I'm happy to report that it's across a broad swath of industries and our geography. And so no particular concentrations to note on the C&I; just good broad-based solid C&I growth.

As to the Premium Finance, that's more of a timing issue. I think by the end of the year, we'll see some growth in that business. And as premiums increase in a hardening market, the demand for their services obviously goes up.

So we're not -- we really like that business. It's pristine from a credit standpoint. So there's no kind of strategic consideration there on a reduction. It's just -- I would say it's a timing issue as to where that fell in the quarter.

Okay. Got it. Second, I guess, we're about a month now past the last rate cut. Can you just discuss any actions taken since then and clients' willingness to digest additional cuts and how that differs from the first 100 basis points?

Sure. So we meet regularly as a pricing committee and have taken action throughout the year, even in light of the Fed not having moved earlier in the year. And so we're continually evaluating most notably our retail CD promotional product, which I think right now is a five-month product. Over the last few years, it's ranged from a 13- to a 5-month product.

So we continue to bring that rate down -- less significant when there aren't rate cuts, but still taking action to lower that rate over time. And so we're seeing the repricing of that portfolio as that five-month term rolls off for various clients in any given month.

Got it. Okay. And then just -- my last one is from the benefit of fixed rate asset repricing, particularly on the loan side. I think excluding accretion, loan yields rose about 6 basis points last quarter. Is that mid-single-digit basis-point increase on a sequential basis. Is that kind of a good rate to use going forward?

You're saying for the fixed rate, I think, specifically, for the 43% of the loan portfolio. Is that what you're [saying]?

Right. Yes.

I think it's dependent on the mix of the loan growth in a given quarter. This quarter, we did not have any meaningful growth in our small-ticket leasing business, which has high yields. Our Premium Finance business also did not have growth. They have nice origination yields, too.

So I think it's dependent on the mix of loan growth in a quarter and obviously, the paydowns thereof. But I would expect it to continue to go up slightly. But I can't say that it's 6% every quarter. It's a mix.

Okay. Got it. I appreciate you for taking my questions. Thanks.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you.

Daniel Cardenas, Janney Montgomery Scott.

Hey, guys.

Hey, Dan.

So a couple of quick questions. Just returning to the auto portfolio. If you could remind us what the average FICO score is on that portfolio and then historical loss rates on it?

Yeah. Average FICO is 746, Dan. And historic loss rates -- let me pull the right number for you here. One moment. Sorry, I'm just shuffling papers.

Yeah, no worries. And then maybe as you're shuffling through your papers, if you could give us maybe an update on the health of your restaurant exposure?

Yeah. So as it relates to the indirect, if you -- this year, it's -- I mentioned it's tracking at 71 basis points; year to date '24, 80 basis points; year to date '23, 50 basis points; year to date '22, 30.

And I think we've been talking about for basically a couple of years now, kind of a little bit more of a reality of decline in that book, notwithstanding the kind of continued strength of the FICO scores.

Your question was about the restaurant portfolio, size of it?

Size and just the relative cost of the portfolio.

Yeah. So the McDonald's portfolio, specifically, is about $389 million in commitments. The non-McDonald's is at about $128 million in commitments. McDonald's continues to be a really high performer for us from a credit standpoint.

And the rest of it includes a broad variety, including some acquired loans. We don't really originate much on the restaurant side in the commercial space. So McDonald's is really our focus as we think about restaurants.

And they're showing no -- that's not causing you any concern at the moment?

No, it's been quite solid. I mean, it always depends on specific operators and specific geographies. And we have had some cases where some of those moved into other buckets as we monitor and watch them. But never lost a dollar out of McDonald's deal thus far. And we have a good partnership with corporate and good outlook and good insight into the operators and understanding how they operate.

Great, perfect. All my other questions have been asked and answered. Thank you, guys.

Thank you.

(Operator Instructions) Brendan Nosal, Hovde Group.

Hey, folks. I just wanted to circle back on North Star. How much of the current reserve balance is like allocated to North Star? And I ask because I'm trying to get a sense of like as you kind of work to cure that book, like how much of a reduction there could be, whether it's through -- working through the book or outright reserve releases to get to like a stabilized reserve-to-loan ratio.

It's about $18 million, Brendan, of the $75 million.

Okay. Fantastic. Thanks for taking the follow-up.

Yeah, no problem.

Ryan Payne, D.A. Davidson.

Hey, good morning. Most of my questions have been asked and answered, but just one for me here. On capital, I just wanted to gauge your appetite for buybacks and thoughts on M&A, and how conversations have been going as we start to see an uptick in deal activity across the industry. So just any detail on priorities you'd offer as you build capital?

Yeah. Thanks. I think as we think about capital, buybacks are probably -- we do have an active buyback program. We have exercised it where appropriate. Our -- I would say our priority is building up capital in preparation for M&A and kind of supporting the dividend.

And as we think about M&A -- I agree with you -- there's a lot of conversations going on there. We have a number of conversations taking place always at varying degrees of seriousness. But I would say we also look to be opportunistic as there's market disruption. We've had opportunities to hire employees. We've had opportunities to look at market share in certain locations.

And we've also -- we will pursue the opportunity, even potentially hire teams that are disrupted by M&A activity that overlaps with our market, so -- in addition to just being very interested, obviously, in using M&A as the catalyst across $10 billion.

But we have and will continue to exercise strategic patience. We think doing the right deal is a lot more important than doing the next quick deal. And that's kind of how we think about it.

Awesome. Thank you. I'll step back.

Thank you.

At this time, there are no further questions. Mr. Wilcox, do you have any closing remarks?

Yes. So I want to thank everyone for joining our call this morning. Please remember that our earnings release and a webcast of this call, including our earnings conference call presentation, will be archived at peoplesbancorp.com under the Investor Relations section.

Thank you for your time, and have a great day.

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