Oceaneering International Inc (OII) 2009 Q3 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good morning. My name is Natasha, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Oceaneering International third-quarter earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator instructions). Thank you.

  • Mr. Jurkoshek, you may begin your conference.

  • Jack Jurkoshek - Director of IR

  • Good morning, everybody. We'd like to thank you for joining us on our third-quarter earnings call. As usual, a webcast of this event is being made available through the Street Events Network Service by Thomson Reuters.

  • Joining me today is Jay Collins, our President and Chief Executive Officer, who will be leading the call, Marvin Migura, our Chief Financial Officer, and Bob Mingoia, our Treasurer.

  • Just as a reminder, the remarks that we make during the course of this call regarding our earnings guidance, business strategy, plans for future operations, and industry conditions are forward-looking statements being made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

  • And I'm now going to turn the call over to Jay.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Thank you, Jack. Good morning, and thanks for joining the call. It's a pleasure for me to be here with you today to talk about Oceaneering. Our third-quarter earnings per share of $0.90 was the top end of our guidance range we gave last quarter, above the Thomson One consensus estimate, and sequentially better than our second quarter-results. This performance was highlighted by achieving record ROV operating income.

  • We now expect that our annual 2009 EPS performance will be the second best in Oceaneering history, an accomplishment that will be particularly gratifying at a time when other oilfield service companies are expected to report substantial earnings declines. We're narrowing our annual EPS guidance range to $3.32 to $3.38.

  • Looking into next year, we believe deepwater drilling activity will continue to grow as new floating rigs currently under construction are added to the worldwide fleet. We do not, however, expect deepwater construction activity to increase, as we anticipate project deferrals to continue until there is a recovery in hydrocarbon demand. Consequently, we are forecasting our 2010 EPS to be relatively flat with 2009, in the range of $3.25 to $3.55.

  • Our 2010 forecast assumptions include unit volume growth and increased operating profits from ROVs, improved operating efficiencies and results in Subsea Products, declines in Subsea Projects, activity levels and operating income, and a lower contribution from MOPS due primarily to the expected retirement of the FPSO Ocean Producer. I'll talk more about our 2010 guidance later. Now, I'd like to review our operations for the third quarter.

  • Our ROV business achieved all-time high quarterly operating income, as we attained a record high days on hire of nearly 17,500 and an operating income margin of 33%. Sequentially, quarterly operating income rose 9% on a 3% increase in days on hire and a 5% improvement in average operating income per day on hire. The daily profit improvement was achieved by our ability to control costs and excellent operational execution, which resulted in a decrease in costs per days on hire.

  • Year over year, ROV operating income increased 7%. This was accomplished by growing our days on hire by 4% as we grew our fleet size and improving our average operating income per day on hire by 3%. Our fleet utilization of 79% was down from 84% in the third quarter of 2008 due to a reduction in demand for ROV construction support services.

  • During the quarter, we added 11 systems to our fleet and retired three. At the end of September, we had 243 systems available for operation, up 20 from September a year ago. We now anticipate adding 28 to 30 new systems to our fleet this year, from five to seven in the fourth quarter.

  • Our fleet mix utilization during September was 72% in drill support and 28% in construction and field maintenance, the same as in June of this year. This compares to a 64%/36% mix in September 2008. Year to date, ROV operating income margin has been 32%, 200 basis points better than the first three quarters of 2008.

  • Our various Subsea Products operations performed pretty much in line with our projections for the third quarter, with the exception of our BOP control systems, which incurred $5.5 million of unanticipated costs on two systems that are in the final stages of manufacturing. These two systems are larger and have the capacity to handle more functions compared to the systems we previously delivered. We underestimated the material and man-hour costs to scale up to size and capabilities. We anticipate delivering one of these systems by year end and the second system in the first quarter of 2010.

  • Overall, Subsea Products operating income declined sequentially due to the unanticipated BOP control systems costs. Absent these costs, segment operating income margin would have been 15%, slightly better than what we achieved in the first two quarters of this year and the same as our 2008 annual performance. Year over year, Subsea Products operating income declined on lower umbilical plant throughput and higher BOP control system costs.

  • At the end of the quarter, our products backlog was $328 million, down slightly from $350 million at the end of June.

  • Our Subsea Projects business had a third quarter operating income performance that was sequentially lower due to a reduction in deepwater installation work and lower demand for our shallow water diving services. Year over year, Subsea Projects operating income was essentially flat on an increase in revenue due to a change in job mix. We earned more profit on deepwater projects, as we benefited from a full quarter of availability and increased use of the Olympic Intervention IV, which went into service in mid September of last year. This was, however, offset by a decline in demand for our shallow water diving services.

  • In summary, we are pleased with our third quarter results and are looking forward to achieving our second best year ever in 2009. This will be quite an accomplishment given this year's global economic environment. Our focus on providing products and services for deepwater and subsea completions has positioned the Company well, and allows us to participate in a significant secular growth trend in the oilfield services and products industry.

  • During the quarter, we continued to invest in our ROV business. ROVs accounted for $47 million of our $55 million quarterly capital expenditures and $124 million out of our $145 million year to date. We now expect our annual 2009 capital expenditures to be closer to $200 million than $175 million.

  • Our cash flow generation capability was demonstrated by $110 million of EBITDA during the quarter. Our liquidity situation continued to improve and remains strong. We repaid the remaining $20 million of our 2009 debt maturities during the quarter. Our balance sheet is in great shape. At the end of September, we had $120 million of debt, over $80 million of cash, and $200 million available under our revolving credit facility. With $1.2 billion of equity on our balance sheet, our debt to capitalization percentage was 9%, down from 24% a year ago.

  • For the fourth quarter of 2009, we are projecting EPS in a range of $0.75 to $0.81. Sequentially, we expect an operating income improvement from ROVs, relatively flat Subsea Products performance, and profit contribution decline from the rest of our business segments. For the year 2009, we expect our net income to result in earnings per share of $3.32 to $3.38.

  • Looking forward, we see specific signs of a healthy deepwater and subsea market that will drive demand on a concurrent or delayed basis for our products and services. As of the end of September, 90% of existing 230 floating rigs in the world were under contract. 86% of these are contracted through 2009, and 67% are contracted through 2010. Eighty floating rigs were on order and scheduled to be delivered through 2012, and 51 of these have been contracted long-term, with an average term of over six years.

  • ROV contracts have been led on 21 of the 80 rigs on order, and we've won 12 of them. We currently estimate that 19 rigs will be placed in service during this year, of which 14 went to work in the first three quarters. We had ROV systems on 13 of these rigs, and actually on two of those rigs we had two ROVs, for a total of 15 vehicles. Of the remaining five rigs, we have ROV contracts for four of them. Therefore, we will have ROVs on 17 of the 19 rigs expected to go to work in 2009.

  • Looking ahead into 2010, we estimate that 25 to 30 rigs will be placed in service during the year. We have ROV contracts on eight of these to provide nine vehicles. Competitors have the ROV contracts on eight rigs, leaving nine to 14 contract opportunities next year, and we're pursuing all of these.

  • Given the current macroeconomic environment, it's still quite possible that some of the new rigs currently on order may not be built. Assuming that 25 of these rigs will either be delayed beyond 2012 or canceled, we're still talking about 55 rigs being added to the current floating rig fleet of 230, representing growth approaching 25% and growth of about 100% in the high specification fleet, which currently totals 56 rigs. We believe we're in a strong position to seize the majority of this ROV drill support growth opportunity.

  • In addition to the current floating rigs on order, various industry sources indicate a substantial number of subsea support vessels that will require ROVs are under construction, with anticipated delivery dates by the end of 2012.

  • We also like the future prospects of our Subsea Products, as well as our other business segments. According to Quest Offshore's latest forecast, the average number of subsea tree orders over the next five years is anticipated to grow 55%, to about 675 trees. With our existing assets, we're well positioned to supply a wide range of these services and products required to support the deepwater exploration, development and production efforts of our customers.

  • We believe Oceaneering's business prospects for the longer term remain promising. Our commanding competitive position, technology leadership and strong balance sheet position us to continue growing the Company, and we intend to do so.

  • Looking into next year, we are initiating 2010 EPS guidance with a range of $3.25 to $3.55, based on an average of 55.6 million diluted shares. Our guidance range forecast assumptions include achieving profit growth from our ROV and Subsea Products businesses and experiencing declines in operating income from Subsea Projects and MOPS operations. If we achieve the midpoint of our guidance range, our 2010 EPS will be about the same as our expectations for 2009 and within 5% of our record high of 2008.

  • We've not yet completed our detailed planning process for next year, but the big picture of the annual 2010 versus 2009 changes we envision occurring can be summarized as follows. ROV operating income is projected to grow, or an increase in days on hire, as we get a full-year benefit from the vehicles we placed in service through 2009 and we continue to expand our fleet. We anticipate adding 12 to 18 vehicles to our fleet in 2010 and retiring four.

  • Subsea Products operating income is also expected to grow as we realize a full year's benefit of improved manufacturing processes and cost reductions we implemented in 2009 and increased throughput at our umbilical manufacturing plants.

  • Subsea Projects operating income profit is expected to decline, primarily due to the completion of the performance contract off West Africa and a softer market for our deepwater vessels in the Gulf of Mexico. We also anticipate a continued decline in hurricane-related diving work and higher vessel drydock expenses.

  • Our MOPS segment profit contribution is expected to decrease due to the absence of profit contribution from the Ocean Producer and a lower day rate for the Ocean Legend.

  • During 2010, we anticipate generating over $300 million of cash flow, simply defined as net income plus depreciation and amortization. This projected cash flow would provide ample resources to invest in Oceaneering's growth, either organically or through acquisitions. Our focus next year will be on earnings growth and investment opportunities. And at this time, we are not going to give any more detailed information on 2010.

  • For those of you who intend to publish quarterly estimates, I'd like to remind you that, historically, our first quarter is the lowest of the year due to seasonality and that we tend to have higher earnings in the second half of the year as compared to the first half. We're not providing quarterly earnings guidance at this time.

  • In summary, our results continue to demonstrate our ability to generate excellent earnings and cash flow. We believe our business strategy is working well, both within long term and the short term. We like our competitive position in the oilfield services market. Our technology gives us the ability to prosper in a challenging time. We now expect our annual 2000 (sic) earnings performance to be the second best year ever. In 2010, we anticipate having another year of substantial earnings performance.

  • We are leveraged to what we believe will be an inevitable resumption in the growth of deepwater and subsea completion activity. The longer-term market outlook for our deepwater and subsea service and product offering remains promising. We continue to believe we are in one of the sweet spots of the industry.

  • We appreciate your interest in Oceaneering, and we'll be pleased to answer any of your questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator instructions). Your first question comes from the line of Neil Dingmann from Wunderlich Securities. Your line is open.

  • Neil Dingmann - Analyst

  • Good morning, guys. On the Subsea Products side, saw the backlog just decline slightly. Do you see that kind of staying on a flat level or possibly increasing in 2010 as you guys start to look at 2011 and building back up?

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Good question, Neil. Unfortunately, I've really gotten out of the backlog predicting business. As you know, it's just a very lumpy world, and big orders swing it from quarter to quarter. We continue to see a lot of work potentially out there, but the timing of these projects is just unpredictable, so I really -- I'm not going to give you a prediction on that.

  • Neil Dingmann - Analyst

  • That's all right.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Basically, our net result is we think next year will be a better year for products and we'll have more business. But I've just -- I've gotten out of the backlog predicting business.

  • Neil Dingmann - Analyst

  • That's a fair point. And just on the ROV side, have you seen much pricing pressure? It looks like the margins are staying really strong. Are guys coming back to you and trying to lower the prices, or are they still staying at a good level?

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Well, I think they're -- I think our results continue to be excellent. The net result, all of our customers are interested in pricing discounts and there is some -- there certainly is competition out there. But I think we offer the best value, and we continue to sell on value and we continue to make that argument with our customers. So it's a daily fight. I'm really proud of our guys for achieving what they've accomplished so far. But we expect, I think, to continue what we're doing right now.

  • Neil Dingmann - Analyst

  • Thanks. Great quarter.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Chris Glysteen from Simmons & Company. Your line is open.

  • Chris Glysteen - Analyst

  • Thanks. Good morning.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Morning, Chris.

  • Chris Glysteen - Analyst

  • Firstly, talking about Subsea Projects, I was wondering if you could give us some general color as to what you're seeing in the Gulf of Mexico right now. And just thinking generally, if activity is flat to down next year, how competitive can it get given the number of deepwater construction vessels that are in the Gulf?

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Well, I think we do -- we are seeing more vessels appears on the world scene, and so there is an excess supply of vessels. But keep in mind this is not just a vessel business; we are selling a service. So we are selling project management, safety, tooling, offshore operations, ROV, skilled personnel, and the ability to go out and do the job quickly and efficiently and safely. So it's not just a vessel.

  • Having said that, though, we are anticipating, as you see, lower profits from the Project business next year because, first of all, we didn't have any hurricanes this year and that business has dwindled. And now we're coming back to a more normal shallow-water diving business as well as a competitive deepwater market. So I don't think I can really quantify it for you, but I would point out that we're not just selling vessel time. We're selling a service, and we think our service is very unique.

  • Chris Glysteen - Analyst

  • Okay. And then turning to the ROV side, I was wondering if you could give us an update on -- last quarter, we talked about the number of units that you had on idle rigs and units that you had removed from idle rigs, also you kind of -- how many you saw in the near term that were potential candidates to go idle. Could you give us an update there?

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Sure, I'd be happy to do that. Let me just find my notes here. I have that (inaudible) and exposure to the -- okay.

  • Well, let's start talking about 2009. We are on 13 rigs throughout the year that have contract expirations. During the first quarter, we had all these on eight rigs that became idle. We demobed off of three of those. Three of those of the remaining five went back to work, and two of those are still idle, and we think they will go back to work sometime in 2010. During Q4, we are on five rigs that have contract expirations, and we expect three of those will continue to work, and we probably will demob off the other two. So for the year, we would have really received five systems back from those 13 rigs.

  • Looking ahead to 2010, we're on 16 rigs that have contract expirations. Of those 16, 8 are fourth- and fifth-generation rig semis or DP drill ships. We would expect those to continue working with little or no downtime. We're obviously watching all these very closely, and particularly those other eight. Those other eight, even if they all went idle, which we don't think would happen, would only be 3% of our current fleet.

  • So that gives you, I think, some good parameters on that.

  • Chris Glysteen - Analyst

  • Thank you very much. Congrats on a great quarter.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Max Barrett from Tudor, Pickering, Holt. Your line is open.

  • Max Barrett - Analyst

  • Hey. Good morning, guys.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Morning, Max.

  • Max Barrett - Analyst

  • You've recently talked about potentially beefing up your Subsea Products segment via M&A. Any updates on that front, specifically around timing and size?

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • No. I wish I could. That's a world that we look at every day. We have people working 100% on that. Clearly, we've got cash in the bank and dry powder on the balance sheet, so we are looking at that, and that'll be a major focus for us over the next 18 months. So all I can tell you is we're looking at it very hard. We're trying, and certainly part of our objective is to make something happen in that area, but I can only tell you if and when I've got something. Right now, I don't have anything to tell you.

  • Max Barrett - Analyst

  • Okay. And then sticking with Subsea Products, could you give us a sense as to whether you're seeing any signs of pricing stabilizing or improving in the umbilicals?

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • I wouldn't -- I haven't seen any difference in that market so far. I think it still remains over-supplied and very competitive.

  • Max Barrett - Analyst

  • Okay. And then last question on the BOPs. Can we expect similar cost overruns in Q4, or do you think that's behind us?

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • I believe it's behind us, but then I believed it was behind us before. But I think we are truly at the end of these projects. I think we see all the costs right now. It wasn't really the case earlier in the year. But we will be delivering one system at the end of the year. But we see all those costs now, and the other one will be substantially completed and delivering in Q1. So I truly don't believe we'll see any more cost overruns there, but it is embarrassing to have further cost overruns.

  • But I will say that we are committed to growing the Company and trying new things and doing [serial number one] projects. You know you're taking a risk. It's unfortunate when it bites you, but on the other hand, that's the only way you get to new products and services, is to try new things and take risks. And we are committed to growing the Company, so this just comes along with trying new things.

  • Max Barrett - Analyst

  • Great. Thanks a lot, guys.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Joe Gibney from Capital One Southcoast. Your line is open.

  • Joe Gibney - Analyst

  • Good morning, everybody.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Hey, Joe.

  • Joe Gibney - Analyst

  • I just want to (inaudible) around some of your other segments commentary on 2010 like Inspection and AdTech. So you're referencing down MOPS, down Projects, Products up, ROVs up. Can we assume that Inspection and AdTech are just kind of holding the line for now? Is that fair?

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • AdTech, while it's a relatively small piece of our business, though, we would expect that to be up a little bit next year. I think we'll have a little more work for the US Navy. Our Entertainment System is doing some projects that'll have more business next year. And then of course, if the government fully funds the Constellation Space Suit contract that we're heading up, heading up that consortium, that would also increase activity. So I think, again, while AdTech is relatively small, it will be up. And Inspection, I would expect that to be relatively flat on a year-to-year basis.

  • Joe Gibney - Analyst

  • Okay. And the 3Q delta, just a little bit of pickup there in AdTech, was that some of the incremental work with the Navy that you just referenced?

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Yes. Yes, that was the same things I just talked about.

  • Joe Gibney - Analyst

  • Okay. Fair enough. And then just on the MOPS side, I understood down year over year. That's pretty consistent with some of your prior commentary. The margin has tended to dance around a fair amount here. What is a reasonable run rate, I guess, to be thinking about from a modeling standpoint, Marvin? As we think about MOPS, it's danced a fair amount here in the last few quarters.

  • Marvin Migura - CFO

  • I think -- I mean, yes, it may dance around a little bit. There was a demobilization fee earned on the Ocean Producer in Q3 that impacted it. I really think that with the expected retirement of the Ocean Producer, maybe we ought to not spend a lot of time on MOPS. Because with the Ocean Legend in operating income and Medusa in equity income and -- it's just not going to be significant going forward.

  • The other thing that we did have in the historical numbers is we had the Pensador sale in Q2, and we wrote it down in Q4 of last year. So I appreciate your observation, but I really think that from a earnings modeling perspective, taking MOPS out of the equation is probably the most sane and rational thing to do.

  • Joe Gibney - Analyst

  • Being sane and rational is a good thing. Okay, thanks, guys. Nice quarter. I appreciate it.

  • Marvin Migura - CFO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Phil Dodge from Tuohy Brothers Investments. Your line is open.

  • Phil Dodge - Analyst

  • Good morning, everybody. Thanks.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Morning, Phil.

  • Phil Dodge - Analyst

  • In the press release, you say that you are forecasting the deepwater construction activity not to increase in 2007 (sic). And then in the presentation in that segment, you said that manufacturing utilization of umbilicals could increase in 2010. I'm just wondering whether that means that you're increasing market share or whether there are other variables that account for that.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Well, you keep in mind that the second quarter of last year we did receive two large contracts --.

  • Marvin Migura - CFO

  • Of this year.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Yes, I'm sorry, this year -- second quarter of this year. The last -- we just received two large contracts, which one will not even start this year, so it's all about 2010. And the other one will be partly this year and partly 2010. So like I said, these big orders cross over yearly boundaries, and so we are starting -- we do have a better backlog than we did going into -- coming into 2009.

  • Phil Dodge - Analyst

  • Timing of the large contracts is what (inaudible - multiple speakers) --

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Right. Absolutely.

  • Phil Dodge - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks very much.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • You bet.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Yvonne Fletcher from Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

  • Yvonne Fletcher - Analyst

  • Hi. Thank you. Good morning, guys.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Good morning.

  • Marvin Migura - CFO

  • Good morning.

  • Yvonne Fletcher - Analyst

  • Hi. Can you remind us when the Performer's contract in Angola ends and what opportunities you may be seeing for that vessel there?

  • Marvin Migura - CFO

  • It's ending now. It was to end at the end of the third quarter, and it is just kind of rolling forward on a day-by-day sort of basis. We are pursuing all kinds of opportunities in Angola and elsewhere. And really there's -- we have nothing further to say. There's nothing firm on the books right now, and we're looking at all of our options in regards to that vessel.

  • Yvonne Fletcher - Analyst

  • Okay, great. And then as a follow up, if I could ask on the ROV side. You talk about the weakness in deepwater construction. I'm just wondering how worried about that are you on the ROV side relative to the exposure there, and what you may have baked into your guidance and conservatism on the construction end.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Well, as you see, this has been a weak year for ROV -- for the construction market and particularly ROV support. It came in quite a bit lower than we had anticipated, as our utilization has come down to 80 -- 79%, 80% and we are not anticipating much improvement in that next year. And consequently we're building -- plan to build fewer new ROVs next year, as we think we can serve some of the increasing deepwater drilling demand with our existing fleet.

  • So we think construction will come back at some point in time, but we're being pretty cautious right now about next year. If it turns out we need more vehicles, we certainly can build more than we're planning right now. So we have upside capability there, but we're being pretty -- very cautious at the moment.

  • Yvonne Fletcher - Analyst

  • Okay, great. Thank you.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Yes.

  • Operator

  • (Operator instructions). Your next question comes from the line of Victor Marchon from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

  • Victor Marchon - Analyst

  • Thank you, and good morning.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Morning, Victor.

  • Victor Marchon - Analyst

  • First question I had, Jay, can you just talk to us about the tone from your customers on the umbilical side of the business? Has the tone been better recently with oil prices staying at elevated levels for the last few months? Are you getting a sense from customers that the confidence at these levels are going to be sustained? Can you sort of maybe walk through a little bit the body language from customers and any shift in tone that you've received on the umbilical side?

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • I really don't have any good news to report there. I think that we still sort of see a very competitive market there. I think, clearly, if prices stay up and particularly the mid-level companies generate cash from selling product at $75 or $80 and $5 gas and they put that money in the bank, then I think that will help to move projects forward. But I think everybody is playing it pretty cautious at the moment, so I don't think it swings around just on a few -- even a month or so of pricing. I think we've got -- have to see this stay with good pricing for a while, and then I think money will get spent. But I think it's going to be earned money, not projected money.

  • Marvin, you may have a comment on that.

  • Marvin Migura - CFO

  • Yes. I think we try to address that, and our view is that until demand for hydrocarbon kind of starts to equate to supply, we don't see any sense of urgency in projects, and so -- or the progression of projects. So what we have forecasted is that project deferrals will continue to persist in 2010. That's really the only comment I would add.

  • Victor Marchon - Analyst

  • Thank you. And just as it relates on the ROV side and utilization, are you guys sensing that we're at a bottom here on the construction side, outside of seasonal factors, or is there some more downside going forward?

  • Marvin Migura - CFO

  • The construction companies sure seem to be talking up 2011 a lot, and so everybody's kind of thinking about 2010 being pretty stagnant and then construction activity picks up in 2011. And ours is a -- has shorter visibility than they do, so we're just taking our cue, I think, from them.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Yes. I don't think -- we really can't give you much independent analysis of that construction market. We just don't play it in that detail, so -- but that is exactly what we hear from most people.

  • Victor Marchon - Analyst

  • Okay. So flattish next year, and they're a little bit more positive on 2011.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Right.

  • Marvin Migura - CFO

  • Right.

  • Victor Marchon - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. Thank you, guys.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • You bet.

  • Operator

  • There are no further questions at this time.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Okay. Well, thank you very much.

  • Jack Jurkoshek - Director of IR

  • We look forward to talking to you at our fourth quarter call.

  • Jay Collins - President and CEO

  • Bye-bye.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.