OFG Bancorp (OFG) 2024 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Good morning.

Thank you for joining OFG Bancorp's conference call.

My name is Madison.

I will be your operator today.

Our speakers are José Rafael Fernández, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of Directors; Maritza Arizmendi, Chief Financial Officer; and César Ortiz, Chief Risk Officer.

A presentation accompanies today's remarks.

It can be found on the homepage of the OFG website under the fourth quarter 2024 section.

This call may feature certain forward-looking statements about management's goals, plans, and expectations.

These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties outlined in the risk factors section of OFG's SEC filings.

Actual results may differ materially from those currently anticipated.

We disclaim any obligation to update information disclosed in this call as a result of developments that occur afterwards.

(Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Fernández.

Good morning, and thank you for joining us.

We are pleased to report our fourth quarter and 2024 results.

It was another outstanding quarter and year of performance.

Looking at the quarter, earnings per share were up 11.2% year over year on a 3.6% increase in total core revenues.

We showed consistent operational growth on our plans, including our Digital First strategy.

We steadily grew our banking market share, digital adoption of our new and upgraded products, services, and self-service tools keeps expanding.

Results also benefited from lower taxes, and we bought back about $46 million of common shares in the fourth quarter.

Please turn to page 3 for a summary of our fourth-quarter results.

Looking at the income statement, we reported earnings per share diluted of $1.09 on total core revenues of $182 million.

Net interest margin was 5.4%, provision was $30.2 million, non-interest expenses were $99.7 million.

This resulted in slightly lower pre-tax income, which was more than offset by reduced year-end taxes.

Pre-provision net revenues totaled $83 million.

Turning to the balance sheet.

Total assets were $11.5 billion, up 1.4% from a year ago.

Customer deposits were $9.4 billion.

Loans held for investment totaled $7.8 billion.

New loan production was a solid $609 million.

Investments were $2.7 billion, up 1% from a year ago and 4% from the last quarter.

And cash at $591.1 million was down 13% from last quarter.

Looking at capital, the CET1 ratio was 14.26%, and we bought back $46 million in stock, that leaves $29.7 million remaining on our buyback authorization as of December 31, 2024.

Please turn to page 4 for a summary of our full-year results.

Earnings per share of $4.23 increased 10.4% year over year on a 3.9% increase in total core revenues for a total of $710 million.

Net interest margin was 5.43%.

Provision was $82 million.

Non-interest expense totaled $376 million, and pre-provision net revenues was $336 million.

Capital management played a big role.

Even with Durbin taking effect midyear, we were able to increase average interest-earning assets by 11.8% year over year.

In addition, we acquired the servicing rights to a $1.7 billion Puerto Rico residential mortgage loan portfolio.

We bought back a total of 1.8 million shares, and we increased the quarterly dividend 14% to $0.25 per quarter or $1 per share annually.

Puerto Rico's economy continues to do well with high levels of business activity and employment.

We concluded our 60th year in business in excellent position, fulfilling our purpose of bringing progress to all our stakeholders.

Thanks to all our team members for always being more than ready to help our clients and customers today and tomorrow.

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We're really building some real muscle with our Digital First strategy.

As of fourth quarter, 96% of all routine retail customer transactions, 97% of retail deposit transactions, and 68% of retail loan payments were all made through our digital and/or self-service channels.

This is being driven by year-over-year growth of 12% in digital enrollment, 54% in digital loan payments, 34% in virtual teller utilization, and close to 5% customer growth.

Over the last 1.5 years, we have introduced or relaunched four major new products and services.

Oriental Servicing Portal was introduced mid-2023.

By the end of December of last year, a third of all retail clients were using it.

The My Biz small business account was relaunched March 2024 as part of our overall offering.

This helped to achieve 14% growth in loans to local businesses last year.

The retail mass market Libre Account was relaunched in April 2024, and the mass affluent Elite Account with its unique cashback program was launched June 2024.

Both are doing extremely well, bringing in new customers and deposits.

There are more Digital First on the pipeline coming in this year.

Now, here's Maritza, to go over the financials in more detail.

Thank you, José.

Please turn to page 6 to review our financial highlights.

Starting with the components of core revenues, total interest income was $190 million, up $1.1 million from the third quarter.

This increase mainly reflects higher balances and higher yields on investment securities, higher loan balances, $700,000 from prepayment of two commercial loans, and reduced interest income from cash.

If you recall, since late last year, we have been growing the investment portfolio to help manage the anticipated lower rate environment going forward, adding higher-yielding US-guaranteed longer duration securities.

Total non-interest expense was $41 million, slightly down from the third quarter.

The decrease reflects a slightly lower average balances and cost of core deposits and higher average balances of borrowings and brokerage deposits.

Total banking and financial service revenues were $33 million, an increase of $6.5 million from the third quarter.

The increase mainly reflects $2.1 million annual insurance commission recognition in wealth management revenues, $4.8 million in favorable MSR valuation due to higher long-term rates, and $800,000 from the previously mentioned acquisition of Puerto Rico residential mortgage servicing portfolio in August.

Looking at non-interest expenses.

They totaled $99.7 million, up $8.1 million from the third quarter.

The increase mainly reflects $3.4 million in early retirement and business rightsizing, $1.4 million in annual performance incentives, and the absence of the third quarter $2.3 million card processing rebates.

We expect 2025 non-interest expense to average $95 million to $96 million a quarter.

This mainly reflects a combination of increased technology and spending and amortization and higher electronic banking fees and transaction costs as we grow larger.

The fourth-quarter efficiency ratio was 54.82% compared to 52.60% in the third quarter.

Please note this includes the early retirement and performance incentive expenses that I just mentioned.

Without those, the efficiency ratio would have been 52.18%.

Other performance CapEx remained high.

Return on average asset was 1.75%, return on our tangible common equity was 16.71%, and tangible book value per share was $25.43. That's down 3% from the third quarter, mainly due to capital used in share buybacks and lower other comprehensive income.

Please turn to page 7 to review our operational highlights.

Average loan balances were $7.7 billion, up slightly from the third quarter.

End-of-period balances of loans held for investment increased 0.5% or $41 million in the quarter.

The increase mainly reflects growth in auto, US commercial, and Puerto Rico consumer loans, more than offsetting repayments of Puerto Rico commercial and residential mortgages.

Year over year, fourth-quarter loans held for investment increased 3.3%.

Loan yield was 8.01%, down 4 basis points from the third quarter.

Fourth quarter new loan origination of $609 million increased 5.5% from the third quarter.

This reflects increases in Puerto Rico commercial, auto, and residential mortgage lending, partially offset by a decrease in US commercial and Puerto Rico consumer lending.

We continue to have a strong commercial top line in Puerto Rico.

In particular, small commercial had a very good fourth quarter and year.

Residential mortgage lending improved.

Our average core deposits were $9.6 billion, down slightly from the third quarter.

End-of-period balances decreased $84 million or 0.9%.

This reflects decline in government deposits, partially offset by a small increase in commercial and retail.

Excluding government deposits, savings and time increased, more than offsetting the decline in demand.

Year over year, ex-government deposits, retail, and commercial also increased.

Core deposit cost was 146 basis points, down 7 basis points from the third quarter.

Excluding public funds, cost of deposit was 96 basis points compared to 91 last quarter.

Average borrowings and broker deposits were $426 million compared to $262 million in the third quarter.

The aggregate rate pace was 4.40%, down 20 basis points.

End-of-period balance was $557 million compared to $346 million.

Net interest margin was 5.40% compared to 5.43% in the third quarter.

Fourth quarter NIM benefited slightly from the commercial loan pre-payment I mentioned before.

Please turn to page 8 to review our credit quality and capital strength.

Credit quality continues to be stable.

Net charge-offs totaled $16 million, down $1.2 million from the third quarter.

Net charge-offs benefited from a $2.6 million recovery from the sale of a portfolio of fully charged-off auto and consumer loans.

Overall net charge-off rate fell 1 basis point to 1.63%.

Consumer's net charge-off rate fell 98 basis points to 3.72%.

At the same time, there were continued recoveries in mortgage and Puerto Rico commercial loans.

As a result, the total net charge-off rate was 82 basis points, down 8 basis points sequentially, and down from 88 basis points in the year-ago quarter.

Provision for credit losses totaled $30.2 million, up $8.8 million from the third quarter.

The increase mainly reflects $18.1 million from increased loan volume, $7.6 million for a specific [retail] related to four US commercial loans, and the previously mentioned $2.6 million recovery from the sale of auto and consumer loans.

The fourth quarter also included a $5.7 million qualitative adjustment related to recent increase in auto delinquency trends, which the model doesn't fully capture yet.

Looking at other credit metrics.

The early and total delinquency rates were 2.95% and 4.38%, respectively.

The non-performing loan rate was 1.06%.

Looking at other capital metrics, total stockholders' equity decreased about $64 million from the end of last quarter, and the tangible common equity ratio decreased 59 basis points to 10.13%.

That mainly reflects share buybacks and lower other comprehensive income.

Income tax expense was $2.4 million compared to $14.9 million in the third quarter.

The decrease mainly reflects a reduction in the 2024 ETR for higher than previously forecasted business activities with preferential tax treatment and $2.3 million of discrete benefits.

Excluding discrete items, ETR was 24.03% for 2024 compared to 32.08% for 2023.

For 2025, we anticipate the full-year ETR would be about 26%.

To summarize the fourth quarter, net interest income grew, driven by the investment portfolio and loans, partially offset by lower interest income from lower cash balances.

Loan growth continue to do well, particularly in the small business area.

Ex public funds, retail, and commercial deposit balances increased, with savings and time deposits higher, as we continue to grow and deepen customer relationships with the recent added value products and services.

Net interest margin held fairly steady as the yield from investment securities and reduced cost of core deposits helped offset some of the decline in interest rates.

Credit quality continue to be well managed.

The trends are mostly stable, reflecting the solid economic environment in Puerto Rico.

Non-interest expenses were higher, mainly due to early retirement, business rightsizing and increased annual performance incentive, as well as higher electronic banking fees and technology spending and amortization.

Regarding capital allocation, we increased our buyback during the fourth quarter.

Now, here's José.

Thank you, Maritza.

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Our outlook for both Puerto Rico and OFG continues to be positive.

Looking at Puerto Rico, the island's economy is steadily growing, wages and employment are at high levels.

Altogether, the business environment here remains optimistic.

As always, we remain vigilant regarding the big macro uncertainties.

Turning to OFG, we continue to be well positioned for growth of loans and deposits as well as our customer base.

Consumer credit trends should remain at current levels.

Our Digital First strategy will continue to evolve, and we will continue to invest in and deploy new customer innovations with the twin goals of further differentiating our business model, while at the same time, increasing efficiencies.

Although we look forward to a solid -- altogether, we look forward to a solid 2025 overall performance.

Our results could not have been achieved without the hard work and dedication of all our team members.

We are very thankful to them and excited for what's to come.

With this, we end our formal presentation.

Operator, let's start the Q&A.

(Operator Instructions) Kelly Motta, KBW.

Hi.

Good morning.

Thanks for the question.

Maybe starting off with the margin.

Your NII was really strong and the margin came in towards the high end of what you had said previously.

As we look ahead and assuming there's only maybe a cut or two in 2025, I'm wondering if you could kind of walk us through both what you're seeing on the deposit side and the competitive environment there.

And wondering if you have the ability to kind of build off this 5.40% level as we look through 2025.

So let me -- Kelly, thank you for your question.

Let me just start by talking a little bit about the competitive and deposits and that part of the question, and I'll let Maritza finish it off with her NIM perspective.

So what we're seeing in the island from a competitive perspective hasn't changed much.

It's really intense in all facets.

We need to work hard for our business, that's for sure, on the loan side and as well as on the deposit side.

But we are also very rational in this market.

So from that perspective on the deposit side, we're also getting some benefit from that, right, across the market.

We're seeing good customer growth, and it gives me an opportunity here to share with you a little bit of what we have achieved throughout this year because it's important to highlight that the momentum that we carried from '23 to '24 and now from '24 to '25 continues.

We've grown 5% our client base pretty much both years, '23 and '24.

And that puts us in a very good situation on the retail side, particularly on the deposit side.

We're seeing very good acceptance on our mass checking account, Libre Account, and as well as the newly launched in the middle of the summer mass affluent Elite Account.

Both of those are having good traction, well received, and it's bringing in good levels of deposits for us.

So that's on the deposit side.

And certainly, those products and the momentum we've had with the Digital First strategy that we've implemented are driving our customer growth and certainly will help us with the net interest margin.

So I'll let Maritza give you the specifics.

Yeah.

Thank you, Kelly, for your question.

We remain with the similar guidance that we provided in the third quarter.

We're looking at a range between 5.3% to 5.40% because -- be mindful that we will have the full effect of the 100-basis point cost of 2024, we will have the full effect in 2025.

But the reality is with the extension in the investment portfolio that we have done, that will mitigate most of that impact.

And I think what is critical in that range is the funding mix, and I think José provide you with how we see the market, and that's why we're keeping the range as it is.

Even we are anticipating probably two cuts next year in rates.

We continue to be very slightly sensitive -- asset-sensitive but still have an impact there, okay?

That's super helpful.

Thank you.

Next question I have would be on the expenses.

There was kind of some push-pull in that.

You had some early retirements and potentially some [fates] that come through there, but also even excluding that, it looks like general and administrative expenses are running higher.

As you look ahead to next year, given your outlook, the initiatives that you continue to run and your works to capture market share, wondering if you can share what you're thinking of in terms of how you're managing expense growth, and is it commensurate with the revenue growth and maybe if NII is higher, you might use some of that, reinvest in the business?

Understood.

Yeah, good point.

And let me just give you my overall view on expenses, and it's driven by how we've executed on our Digital First vision here in our market.

And just -- it has two components.

One is how do we deploy the technology, and how do we invest in technology and in people and in processes to kind of get our Digital First execution going.

That started back in 2021, 2022 so we've gone a long way.

Just to give you some perspective here, too, in context.

From 2021 to 2024, the level of transactions in the bank has doubled on a year-over-year basis.

It's doubled from 2021 to 2024.

Now, at the same time in that same time period, the amounts of transactions done at the branches on a monthly basis has been reduced by 150,000 transactions.

And that is totally driven by the investments we've made with the self-service portal, with the digital account opening, with all the services that the clients can serve themselves with at the bank kiosks, with the virtual tellers and through online and mobile.

And that is not a small accomplishment in the market that we operate where it's really several years behind in terms of digital adoptions in banking versus the market in the states.

So given the growth we've had plus the efficiencies we've gotten from the branches, we've been able to reduce some of the workforce on the branch side, particularly on the teller side.

We've also seen, in spite of that customer growth, our transactional growth that we've seen in those four years, we've also seen how we've been more efficient on the back office, and we've been able to see some efficiencies there and we see more efficiency there.

Now all of that is being said to also highlight the point that we can't stop here.

We got to keep moving forward and we got to keep investing in our people and in our technology and the processes.

So when we look into expenses into next year, our range now is around $95 million to $96 million a quarter, and that takes everything into account: business growth, efficiencies, investments in technology and in people.

And really, we're really confident that how we are building this model and how we're deploying the strategy is creating great momentum for us to grow and further grow from where we are today.

Thank you, José.

That was very, very helpful.

Maybe last question from me and then I will step back.

Would be -- on the reserve build you had, I think in your prepared remarks, you described credit as being stable, but you did have a specific reserve related to those US commercial loans that were called out in the release, as well as the qualitative build related to auto delinquencies.

Can you talk a bit about what you're seeing in both on those commercial loans as well as just in Puerto Rico, an update on the credit environment and your decision to take that reserve and how you're feeling overall on asset quality?

Thanks.

Yeah.

So big picture, and I'll let César Ortiz give you some more specifics on the credit in Puerto Rico and any color on the four loans in the US.

But from a big picture, as I said in my remarks, the economy remains solid, steady.

We're seeing good optimism in the business sector across the entire island.

There's a lot of construction going on, and there's a lot of investments being made to different businesses across the island and across different industries.

So we're not seeing anything that has changed from a macro perspective.

We will continue to see consumers to be having stronger liquidity than prior to the years where we had not so good economic background.

So we're seeing a stronger balance sheet on the individuals as well as on the businesses, and the economy overall is performing well.

So that's kind of the background, Kelly, and I'll let César give you some color on the Puerto Rico credit and particularly on the consumer side.

Thank you.

Besides the macroeconomic good situation that we have in Puerto Rico, delinquencies will show an increasing trend towards this quarter has been seasonal.

We've seen every year is a holiday seasonal increase in delinquency, and we should be seeing an improvement, too, in the first quarter of next year because it's also a seasonal improvement in next quarter.

But two additional things that I want to point out as key things that gives us comfort for the outlook, right?

The first one is the non-performing levels.

We see slightly better non-performing levels than the same period last year, especially for the auto portfolio, which is the largest retail portfolio.

And we're also seeing the auto portfolio is now, as of December, an 87% [client] portfolio.

It's been increasing since pre-pandemic 65%, and we have discussed this every quarter.

So those two things gives us a good outlook in terms of the performance of the retail portfolio.

The other question you have was the four specific loans in the specifically reserves that we recorded for this quarter in the US.

I want to point out these are unique challenges that each (inaudible) had operational challenges.

We continue working with them, engaging with them proactively to ensure that the risks that we have noted this quarter, which made us record the reserves continues to be mitigated, but these are unique situations for those borrowers.

Got it.

That's useful.

I will step back.

Thank you so much.

Ynyra Bohan, Hovde Group.

Hi.

Thank you for taking my questions.

My first question has to do with your tax rate going forward.

There was quite a reduction.

So do you guys have any guidance on what we should expect going into the next quarter and next year?

Yeah.

I'll let Maritza give you

--

Yes, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, this 2024 full ETR was about 24% when compared to 2023, which was 32% because we were -- had higher activity with business activity with preferential tax rate.

Going forward, we continue to see benefiting our operations from those type of activity, and that's why we're forecasting a 26% ETR for 2025.

Thank you.

And with your non-interest income, there was -- it seemed to be an uptick in the mortgage banking activities.

Do we continue with this uptick as the run rate going forward?

Well, this last quarter -- this fourth quarter as well in the third quarter were impacted differently both for the MSR valuation.

In this one, we did have a positive impact in the MSR valuation.

That -- it will depend on the market rates but if we extract that is about for the quarter, it was about $2.7 million.

We can expect the run rate to be the one that we have this quarter without that, $2.7 million.

On non-interest income.

Particularly in the mortgage banking side, I'm referring to the mortgage banking activity.

Because as I comment on my prepared remarks, this fourth quarter, we did have the full effect of the acquisition of the MSR that we acquired in the third quarter.

That's about $1 million more that we will have on a quarterly basis.

Perfect.

Thank you so much.

That was all my questions.

Timur Braziler, Wells Fargo.

Hi, good morning.

Looking at the linked quarter reduction in demand deposits, what component of that was from public funds?

It's about $100 million, around $100 million.

Okay.

And then I guess just what you're broadly seeing from the deposit base on the island.

If there's any kind of seasonality in the fourth quarter trend and generally what you're seeing from the level of consumer liquidity, what that looks like?

Yeah.

From our vantage point, what we're seeing is a steady inflow.

We're starting to see a kind of a shift from CDs back to savings and demand.

It's going to happen throughout 2025, I believe.

But what we're seeing is a net inflow of slow and methodical growth in consumer and commercial deposits throughout all our businesses.

Great.

And then I guess just from a competitive standpoint, from a deposit standpoint, how that's trending the ability to maybe work down costs even though they're so low to begin with and just on public funds, if there's expectations for further declines there throughout '25?

Well, on the public funds, remember, they're variable rates so if rates go down, they'll trend downwards also.

On the commercial on consumer, I would say the banking market in Puerto Rico is very rational and very stable in terms of pricing.

But don't forget that there are credit unions in Puerto Rico, federal credit unions that they definitely are trying to disrupt, to some degree, the market, and they're bringing in higher-yielding accounts.

And that definitely is a factor.

But we do have, as a bank, OFG, we do have a very strong franchise with very sticky core consumer deposits that we feel with the two products that I mentioned earlier, that we have developed and introduced recently, we have done very well at growing our customers as well as our retail deposits as well.

Okay, great.

And then just a couple of follow ups on credit for US commercial loans.

Are those all in a similar geography or is that spread out somewhat?

No.

Remember, our US strategy is more of a diversification, a geographic diversification strategy so it's nationwide, industry wide.

So we are not specific to a geography.

And these are all mostly, I would say, all of them are C&I commercial loans across the United States.

And then I understand, I guess, the addition to the reserves for calibration of the auto book today at [2.25] reserves to loans.

I mean, that seems like a high number.

How are you thinking about the reserve level as we go through '25, increase now for two straight quarters.

Is there going to be an ability at some point to start seeing some reserve release?

Or is that really off the table until we get a level of plateauing on the consumer and auto books?

Yeah.

I'll let Maritza give you the specifics.

In my mind, I think the economy in Puerto Rico is shifting from two decades of depression to a stimuli, kind of sugar-high, to a more cyclical type of economy.

So that's how we're looking at the world from our vantage point.

Going forward, we're seeing the economy in Puerto Rico doing fine.

We're doing the -- we're seeing the economy having good growth and all.

But we're starting to see the economy in Puerto Rico also entering into a more normal cyclical behavior.

And we're just trying to make sure that when we look at our credit exposures, we also are cognizant of those changes from a macro perspective.

I'll let Maritza give you the specifics on this.

I think sharing the same view on economy and having a stable and good economy.

I think we have reached a good level of allowance coverage at this point.

And when we look forward, we see a run rate of about $18 million to $20 million mostly as our normal business operation.

If you look at this quarter, the volume factor was $18 million.

So that would be our benchmark going forward and remain with the same level of coverage that we have right now.

So provision around $18 million to $20 million a quarter and assuming all things remain equal.

So that's kind of the outlook here, Timur.

Great.

Thank you.

Bader Hijleh, Piper Sandler.

Good morning, guys.

I just want to touch on fee income again.

I know you talked about the mortgage banking segment.

Could you give us some more color on the other components?

And I might have missed it, but do you also happen to have maybe a run rate or an outlook for fee income heading into 2025?

Yeah, so let me give you a big picture here.

We're looking -- when we look at wealth management, we're seeing a very good momentum with wealth management, particularly on the brokerage and insurance, both doing well and seeing good momentum, particularly on the brokerage financial services side.

We're seeing a very good opportunity to deepen the relationships of our customers not only on the deposit side to the brokerage side but also from the brokerage to the deposit side.

And we're seeing that on the wealth management, but we're also focusing on deepening our relationships with the auto clients and mortgage clients and small business clients.

We do see a very good opportunity to work internally.

And that will help us, to the earlier question by someone, on the deposit, we not only see growth in deposits from bringing in new customers.

We're seeing it from deepening the relationships of our existing loan customers, and we're putting up strategies for it as we speak.

So now, going back to your fee income question.

Wealth management is doing well.

I think we have good opportunities there.

Insurance also as part of wealth management is contributing.

I think banking, when you look at banking, we need to think about Durbin since we're now $11.6 billion.

So the last -- second half of last year, we had the impact of Durbin.

But in spite of that, we have been able to mitigate somewhat the effect on the banking services income by the acquisition of the servicing portfolio that Maritza mentioned earlier as well as by growing our clients, growing the transactionality and the debit and transactions of our customers and the fees that we generate.

So I think that the team has done a very good job at mitigating the impacts on Durbin.

And then mortgage banking, as you know, it fluctuates, given the valuation on the MSR and how interest rates have fluctuated, we've seen more volatility on interest rates.

So that's why you're seeing more volatility on the MSR.

But all in all, we're very excited about the ability for us to continue to steadily grow our fee income.

Understood.

Thanks.

And then if I may ask to -- regards to new loan originations, do you happen to have what the rates are coming on the books at, and if possible, maybe by segment?

So we're seeing auto business and consumer business rates coming in around the same levels in spite of the potential lower interest rates.

We're seeing commercial coming in at a slightly lower rate, more fixed than -- I'm sorry, more variable than fixed but was slightly lower, assuming we see two additional 25 basis points rate cuts that will have an impact there.

So all in all, we're seeing yields on the books trending slightly lower but not that much.

That's why Maritza re-affirms the net interest margin at 5.30% to 5.40%.

We feel that on the loan side, we see quite a bit of inelastic behavior, particularly on the consumer portfolios.

Got it.

Thank you.

And one last question.

Is there any concern that the new administration would slow down any federal disbursements to the island or maybe what you're hearing in regards to that?

Yeah.

So, look, we've had, I would say, more than 50% of the funds that were initially allocated to Puerto Rico, more than 50% have been obligated.

So they should come in and will continue to be deployed on the projects that have started or about to start as they have been obligated.

So I think there are a lot of backlogs in projects, and there's a lot of steps that need to go through in the federal government.

So in general, it's a different situation when you're starting versus when you have had five or six years of run rate in terms of getting the funds deployed and invested in the infrastructure.

So yeah, there's always a risk, there's no doubt about it, but I don't think the risk is as significant or as major as it could have been potentially four or five years ago.

Awesome.

That's all my questions.

Thank you.

(Operator Instructions) Kelly Motta, KBW.

Thanks for letting me jump back in.

My question is specifically on capital.

I think, last call, you had mentioned that you were maybe behind a bit on the buyback.

It was really nice to see that come through the quarter.

Wondering if you could give us a refresh on how you're viewing capital allocation and rank stacking that as well as you have a bit left on the buyback, if an additional one is a consideration, given the strong capital you have and profitability.

Yeah, nothing better than having a fortress balance sheet with tremendous amounts of capital so we love to operate with good capital, Kelly.

So where do we deploy our excess capital which we know we do have?

We deploy it first in loans, and we're going to see some good opportunities, rational opportunities for us to put money to work here in Puerto Rico and also in the US.

We're going to look at the dividend.

We're going to look at the buybacks.

You saw what we did last quarter, last year in general.

I think we had a very solid buyback execution for us, and I see 2025 relatively the same.

We're seeing dividends going up and the buyback being executed as well as deploying capital primarily for loan growth.

So the game plan is the same, and we'll try not to be on the catch-up at the end of the year on the buyback as we did last year.

But we'll be more methodical on that one.

But in general, that's how we see it, Kelly.

Great.

That's super helpful.

And then I would also like to touch on M&A.

Obviously, Puerto Rico is very consolidated at this point.

But, obviously, with the new administration potentially making acquisitions easier, wondering about your vantage point on that, if there's potential opportunities to expand in the US.

Well, we have our strategy in the US, and our strategy in the US is somewhat different from some of our peers here in Puerto Rico.

We feel that the US banking system is well served by more than 5,000 banks, and adding one more, it's really not a good strategy to follow from our side, particularly right now.

But -- so we will continue to execute on our loan participation program that we have on the commercial side and continue to use that as a diversification strategy from Puerto Rico.

And that's kind of our way of looking at it.

From an M&A perspective, certainly here in Puerto Rico, there's really not much M&A to talk about.

But I think given where Puerto Rico is and given where OFG is positioned right now, I think the focus for us has to be on growing organically and focusing really hard on gaining market share and executing on our strategy, and that's our focus.

So -- and I think you mentioned M&A.

I tend to think regulatory.

I don't think there's going to be much changes from the regulatory front on the day-to-day basis.

But I do think that there is going to be, on the longer term, a change in approach in terms of the regulatory.

And, as you know, we're now past the $10 billion mark.

So looking forward to see how is that being impacted with the new administration and the new regulatory regime that is coming in.

So those are my thoughts on the M&A in general, Kelly.

Thank you so much for those insights.

I will step back.

And at this time, there are no further questions.

I will now turn the call back over to José for closing remarks.

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