國民油井華高 (NOV) 2010 Q3 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Welcome to the third quarter National Oilwell Varco 2010 earnings conference call. My name is Kristine, and I will be your operator for today's conference. (Operator Instructions) Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Loren Singletary, Vice President of Global Accounts and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

  • Loren Singletary - VP

  • Thank you, Kristine. Welcome, everyone, to the National Oilwell Varco third quarter 2010 earnings conference call. With me today is Pete Miller, Chairman, CEO and President of National Oilwell Varco and Clay Williams, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

  • Before we begin this discussion of National Oilwell Varco's financial results for its third quarter ended September 30, 2010, please note that some of the statements we make during this call may contain forecasts, projections and estimates including but not limited to comments about our outlook for the company's business. These are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws based on limited information as of today, which is subject to change. They are subject to risk and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially. No one should assume that these forward-looking statements remain valid later in the quarter or later in the year.

  • I refer you to the latest form 10-K and form 10-Q National Oilwell Varco has on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a more detailed discussion of the major risk factors affecting our business. Further information regarding these as well as supplemental financial and operating information may be found within our press release on our web site at www.nov.com or in our filings with the SEC. Later on this call, we will answer your questions, which we ask you to limit to two in order to prevent more participation. Now I will turn the call over to Pete for his opening comments.

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Thank you, Loren. Good morning. Earlier today, National Oilwell Varco announced third quarter 2010 earnings of $404 million or $0.96 cents a share on revenues of approximately $3 billion. This compares with essentially similar results in the second quarter 2010, and displays our continued outstanding execution in the rig technology business and significant improvement in the margins and operations in our petroleum services supply business and our distribution businesses. Clay will provide more color on these numbers in just a moment.

  • Additionally, we announced new orders for capital equipment of $1.2 billion. This reflects increasing demand for new, state-of-the-art equipment and is the first quarter since the third quarter 2008 that our book-to-bill ratio was one or greater. We are very pleased with these results, as they are representative of the hard work of our employees around the world and the improving environment for the products and services that NOV provides to its customers. I will now ask Clay to expand upon these results.

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • Thank you, Pete. National Oilwell Varco's third quarter 2010 net income attributable to the company was $404 million, or $0.96 cents per fully diluted share, compares to $0.92 per share in the third quarter 2009 and $0.96 cents per share in the second quarter 2010 all on a GAAP basis. Included in the third quarter 2010 results are $2 million of pre-tax transaction charges. Excluding transaction charges from all periods, third quarter 2010 earnings were $0.97 cents per share, compared to $0.95 per share a year ago and $0.97 per share last quarter. As I do each quarter, I will focus my comparative remarks on results excluding unusual items.

  • Once again the company generated steady, strong results. Third quarter 2010 revenues of $3 billion were up about 2% from the second quarter 2010 and down 2% from the third quarter 2009. Operating profit excluding transaction charges was $598 million or 19.9% of revenue in the third quarter. Within our petroleum services and supply segment, almost every business unit saw sales rise from the second quarter to the third, as 19% sequential improvements in North American rig counts prompted higher demand for bits, drilling motors, pumps, liners, valves and other consumables, and also pulled through more services including solids control services, casing, tubing, line pipe inspection, and downhole tool rentals.

  • Business unit across the board generally posted single digit sequential sales gains, with drill pipe sales improving the most up 10% sequentially. Land activity increases in unconventional shale plays were sufficient to overcome significant reductions in our Gulf of Mexico businesses, which declined $24 million sequentially for the segment due to the deepwater moratorium and reduced shallow water drilling activity. The impact of the Gulf slowdown affected drilling fluids, waste management services, drill pipe and conductor pipe connection sales the most. But we were able to deploy most of our Gulf personnel into growing land opportunities in the Marcellus, Bakken and elsewhere. Overall North America counted for about 56% of the segments third quarter sales, and international markets 44%.

  • The company's distribution services segment also benefited from more drilling and unconventional shale plays in the third quarter. Recovery out of seasonal breakup in Canada and selling supplies into new land rigs being constructed for the domestic market. Distribution also benefited from sales into the Gulf Coast cleanup operations. Two, although these sales were winding down now, North America accounted for 81% of the group's third quarter sales, up significantly from the second quarter.

  • International sales excluding Canada were relatively flat for both petroleum services and supplies and distribution services from the second quarter to the third. Generally, sequential revenue gains in Russia, China and the Middle East were offset by declines in Africa and several other markets. Rig technology posted slightly lower revenues and margins from the second quarter to third. Lower revenues out of backlog were partly replaced by higher after market and capital spare sales. Non-backlog revenues were helped by additional service work and spare part sales arising from new BOP regulations, which drove BOP after-market bookings $10 million higher and capital equipment bookings $45 million higher sequentially, excluding BOP's from the new drill ship packages.

  • A number of domestic deepwater rigs are using the pause during the moratorium to catch up on upgrade and maintenance work, and we see BOP after market work continuing to rise. Through the quarter we also saw some customers bring NOV made BOP equipment back to us for repairs and maintenance who were previously using third party repair shops and spares. Additionally, demands for top drives, controls and other sophisticated drilling systems for land rigs and coil tubing, well stimulation and pressure pumping equipment continue to march upward through the quarter, particularly for domestic customers.

  • From land rigs to bits to drill pipe it was clear that North American shale plays dominated the landscape during the quarter although with a new interesting twist. Just a few quarters ago, these unconventional shale drilling programs targeted gas almost exclusively. Lately, though, sustained high oil prices have prompted energy entrepreneurs to apply new shale technologies to emerging oil plays. Consequently, we see oil directed drilling in the US continue to rise steeply and it now totals 42% of domestic drilling efforts. Additionally, operators continue to carry unconventional shale development technologies and strategies into new basins in Europe, Asia and Middle East, where they are executing several pilot projects.

  • There are many ways that NOV benefits from the continued proliferation of unconventional shale technology. First, the corner stone of all successful programs is a well manufacturing concept. For drilling operations strive for repeatability and learning curve effect. A key attraction of all shale plays is their substantially reduced geologic risk vis-a-vis conventional drilling operations. Shale's' were historically deposited in broad marine environments. They were rocked at literally filled up ancient oceans, and as a result are found over vast expanses with relative homogeneity At least when compared to more typical reservoir rocks like sands and carbonates which can vary significantly in a matter of meters. As such, they lend themselves to highly repeatable operations with low geologic variability. The most successful well manufacturing operations are executed with what are often referred to as fit for purpose drilling rigs, such as NOV's Ideal rig, our Rapid rig and our Drake rig models.

  • These rigs incorporate AC power, electronic controls, top drives, automatic pipe handling systems and quick rig up/rig down features that weren't available in the 1970's when the majority of today's rig fleet was built and in the hands of a professional crew can knock out wells safely and efficiently. We have continued to sell many, many of these types of rigs as well as upgrade top drives and pipe handing systems into the shale plays across North America.

  • Secondly, shale plays consume a disproportionate amount of drill pipe. They are usually drilled with smaller-diameter 4-inch drill pipe, which is bent 90 degrees to extend a few thousand feet horizontally. This bending imposes greater wear and tear on drill pipe, along with higher torque requirements. As a result, we've seen rising demand for our premium high-torque, XT connections on drill pipe. Interestingly, we've also seen a shift towards rental tool companies providing drill pipe into these plays. Many drilling contractors simply don't want to wear out their pipe on these programs, so rental tool companies are stepping in to provide the pipe.

  • Another observation about this market is that the long-term rule-of-thumb most contractors had about drill pipe life, that it would typically last four or five years simply doesn't apply to the shales, where drill pipe life is more like two and a half to three years. As a result, NOV is seeing rising drill pipe demands specifically four inch XT for these shale's in North America and we expect to gradually shift overseas as international shales become more prevalent. Our book to bill with end drill pipe continue to climb this quarter even with sequentially higher revenues in drill pipe. It has exceeded one for the past three quarters.

  • Third, the turning of drill pipe 90 degrees cannot be done blindly. It requires down-hole electronics which sense the direction of the wellbore to intersect the right geologic targets. These down-hole electronic MWD sensors rely on measuring the earth's magnetic field to get oriented. And since just about everything that goes down hole is made of steel and steel interferes with magnetic fields, driller's must use non-magnetic drill collars to house the down holed electronics to execute these measurements. NOV is a leading provider of non-magnetic drill collars worldwide.

  • Fourth, fifth and sixth, drilling these wells goes much faster with fixed cutter diamond bits affixed to down-hole drilling motors, powered by the hydraulics of fluids pumped down the drill pipe. These types of bits drill best and fastest when they are turned at high rates of speed, 200 RPM or more, that can only be practically achieved by using drilling motors. As a result, the old style of drilling, delivering torque to the bit by turning the entire drill string from the surface is steadily being replaced by the use of hydraulic power and drilling fluids to generate torque just above the bit or just above the rotary steerable assembly. The drilling motor converts hydraulic horsepower into torque down-hole. One implication of this shift is that the efficiency of the drill string at transmitting hydraulic power to the bit is determined by the roughness of the inner surface of the drill pipe. The smoother the pipe, the lower the hydraulic pressure losses down the drill string. This can be dramatically improved by applying thermal-set plastic coatings inside drill pipe. NOV pioneered tubular and drill pipe coatings, and remains the leading applicator of internal coatings, is a leading provider of down-hole drilling motors and one of the largest providers of bits worldwide.

  • Seventh, NOV is a leading provider of mud pumps, valves and fluid ends used to generate the hydraulic horsepower at the surface to turn the bit. One of the long-term trends in our business is the addition of more and more drilling mud pumps to rigs at higher operating pressures to provide more hydraulic power. After a well is drilled, it is usually fracture-treated with a dozen or more stages, a process which utilizes pressure pumping equipment, blenders and mixers where eight, NOV is also a leader. Followed by drill-out of temporary plugs in the well usually executed with coil tubing. NOV is also a leading provider of both coil tubing unities, nine, and coil tubing itself, ten, and has recently benefited from sharply higher demand for larger diameter units and tubing. We're also seeing rising utilization of units in the advent of real trailers resulting in higher consumption rates of coil tubing. These previously lasted 3 to 4 months and now are often worn out within a matter of weeks.

  • So there you have ten ways NOV participates in the shales. In short, we are a worldwide technology leader in providing many, if not most of the critical hardware and technologies enabling the profitable safe, efficient development of new unconventional shale resources.

  • Turning to the offshore, like everyone in this industry, we were relieved to see the Gulf of Mexico blowout capped. Early this summer, we placed large orders for long lead time castings for BOP equipment to be in a position to respond to pressing needs of our customers to upgrade and augment their pressure control devices. We see interest in new rams rise through the quarter particularly for our new patented low-sheer-force ram that has successfully sheared the largest drill pipe we make. The high level of BOP refurbishment work in our after-market repair facilities, I referenced earlier, is continuing into the fourth quarter.

  • In spite of the accident, deepwater production will press forward and like we are with the conventional shale plays, NOV is uniquely positioned to benefit from the steady march of the petroleum industry into new offshore frontiers. Deepwater drilling cannot be performed without deepwater rigs. While the moratorium, the credit crisis and a handful of yet to be contracted new builds have resulted in headwind's to our thesis, we maintaining that the world will continue to build out a viable fleet of deepwater floating rigs to develop the extraordinary resources located in deepwater basins. To this end, we are pleased to book two large, deepwater drill-ship packages for Brazil that have previously been caught up in the credit market downturn for the past two years. These were part of the 12 contracts let by Petrobras in mid-2008 and will be built in Asia.

  • Additionally, last quarter we mentioned that we were seeing a rising number of driller's soliciting budgetary quotes from shipyards and equipment providers for floating rigs and this continued through the third quarter, perhaps helped by emergence of attractive pricing and payment terms being offered by the shipyards. We're advancing a couple of deepwater projects rapidly unrelated to Brazil, which we expect to turn into orders within the next few quarters.

  • The third quarter also saw a sudden increase in interest in jack-up rigs catalyzed by a number of tenders for high-spec premium jack-ups in international locations. More so than the floaters and jack up rigs fleet appears to be bi-furcating in terms of capabilities with premium day rates rising faster than rates for older conventional rigs. To us, the demographics of the jack-up fleet, which are highly transparent, paint a clear picture of a world with a lot more rig building on the way. Two-thirds of today's existing jack-up rigs were born in the ten years between 1974 and 1984. Most of the fleet is the same age and it's an old age. 71% of the jack-ups, 327 out of 459 are beyond their notional 25 year design life. If you add expected deliveries of jack-ups this year to all of the jack-ups delivered since January 1, 2006, a five-year span in which our industry was very, very busy. We had been running at about 21 jack-ups delivered each year. If we assume the industry will replace these tired, old jack-ups at the same average pace of the past five years, and we can expect to continue to build jack-ups at this pace through the year 2026. The last jack-up replaced would then be 41 years old. The rigs delivered at the beginning of this retooling cycle will be celebrating their twentieth birthday. This broad retooling cycle spanning decades illustrates the pressing needs to replace old mechanical rigs across many categories, not just jack-ups.

  • Day rate structure for land rigs in the US now point to a clear preference by oil and gas companies for new technology. At recent auctions, old, used mechanical rigs are struggling to attract bids much above scrap values. Extrapolating 500 new AC land rigs delivered in the US land fleet over the past several years points to another decade plus of building to fully retool the land fleet here. Internationally where the evolution toward new rig technology is even less well developed, the trends point to many, many more years of rig building beyond that. The rig building never goes in a straight line. Nevertheless, despite the cyclicality of orders over the past couple years, NOV continues to demonstrate some of the most stable earnings posted, within oil field services, through the downturn.

  • Last quarter we also discussed our strategic interest in FPSO products, and since then we announced our intention to enhance our offering in this area through the acquisition of advanced production and loading PLC, or APL from BW Offshore for $500 million. FPSO, stand for floating production storage and offloading vessels, a clever idea that avoids laying expensive subsea pipelines in lieu of pumping oil directly into tankers which swing by from time to time. The fleet of FPSO's in operations has grown from zero in the late 1980's to over 150 in service today with Asia, Africa and Brazil representing the largest markets. FPSO's are flexible and cost effective often constructed from old, converted tankers, which makes for a roomy deck space and generous weight and therefore processing allowances. There are a couple of dozen construction or conversion projects underway today, and reportedly over 100 projects being considered for FPSO production, including a number of potential LNG projects.

  • Currently, we can sell cranes, hose-reel systems, riser pool systems and mooring equipment into a typical FPSO project, which can combine total about $25 to $30 million on a single large FPSO. At less than $100 million a year in revenues for NOV the past few years, this has not been a major market for us previously. However, we expect to APL to change that. It will bring us market-leading turret mooring systems, internal, external, submerged, disconnectable technologies that can add $50 to $100 million to our FPSO package and with over 50 turret and terminal systems installed around the world.

  • NOV brings manufacturing and assembly experience and assets relationships and operating history with and within shipyards and extensive experience commissioning marine vessels to APL. We believe the combination will permit NOV to establish a integrative package offering to FPSO operators, with the turret forming the center piece, which can pull through sales of related deck machinery. Most deepwater drilling of the past few years has been exploratory and largely successful. As new reservoirs are found, they entered the development stage, which entails more drilling and more production activities and for the deepwater, will likely include more use of proven FPSO technologies. To us, the strategy of expanding our FPSO product offering is a logical extension of the success we've enjoyed in the offshore rig arena. We are excited about this transaction which we hope to close during the fourth quarter.

  • NOV's third quarter orders for capital equipment for rig technology totaled $1.175 billion, slightly above revenues out of backlog which resulted in a small increase in backlog during the third quarter. Excluding the two Brazilian floaters, the segment still posted a solid, double-digit sequential increase in orders, reflecting broad demand from land, offshore and well stimulation sectors. We expect fourth quarter revenue from backlog to be roughly flat with Q3 and backlog on the books as of September 30, 2010, is expected to flow out as revenue of $3.3 billion in 2011 and about $0.4 billion in 2012. 81% is offshore and 19% is destined for land markets. 15% is domestic and 85% international.

  • In Brazil, we expect Petrobras opening for the commercial portion of tenders for up to 28 new deepwater drilling rigs to occur this quarter, perhaps in November and awards to flow sometime there after. We believe Petrobras recent successful capital raise should help pave the way for the long-awaited execution of this project. All rigs are to be constructed in country. We are pleased with the plan our operations group has developed to comply with the local content requirements of this tender. We expect orders from this to potentially flow into our capital equipment backlog sometime in the first half of 2011. But obviously this remains subject to a number of moving pieces in Brazil and further delays are possible. Petrobras has signaled they may choose to own a controlling interest in some, perhaps most of these rigs and intend to contract others to be built and owned by drilling contractors. We remain convinced that Petrobras is committed to building these rigs and we expect them to contribute meaningfully to our order flow next year.

  • Now let me turn to our segment operating results. The distribution services segment generated outstanding results for the period. Revenues of $424 million during the third quarter of 2010 were up 16% from the second quarter of 2010, and up 39% from the third quarter of 2009. Third quarter operating profit was $24 million or 5.7% of sales, up over 200 basis points from the second quarter 2010 and more than double the operating margin posted in the third quarter of last year. Operating leverage or flow through was a solid 19% sequentially and 14% year-over-year, well above the long-term average of about 10% for this group.

  • The segment posted strong double-digit sequential sales gains in both the US and Canada, which benefited from the seasonal recovery out of the breakup and rising unconventional shale activity. US revenue gains were led by sequential sales increases across most of the major unconventional shale plays as well. Particularly liquids rich areas like the Eagle Ford and the Bakken. International sales were stable with increased sales of capital spares, composite pipe and mono artificial lift and power section products through distribution, offsetting operating declines in Mexico and lower industrial product sales in Australia. We expect reduced sales into the gulf of Mexico cleanup effort and lower capital sales -- capital spare sales to lead to low to modestly lower revenues overall for the segment in the fourth quarter. Margins are expected to remain strong nevertheless.

  • The petroleum services and supply segment generated total sales of $1.089 billion in the third quarter of 2010, up $56 million or 5% from the second quarter 2010 and up $207 million or 23% from the third quarter 2009. Operating profit was $164 million or 15.1% of sales, up 170 basis points from the second quarter, and up 530 basis points from the third quarter of last year. Operating leverage or flow through was 46% sequentially and 38% year-over-year, a little above typical long-term volume driven leverage in the 30% to 35% range. Wear and tear from higher levels of drilling, particularly in the shales, led to higher demand for consumables such as mission mud pump, parts and liners. Quality tubing, coil tubing, [re-high clog bits] and Brandt Solids Control Equipment. Tube scope inspection and coating services witnessed higher demand as OCTG inventories in North America rose, which appear to be leveling now. Star Composite Pipe sales into the oil field improved partly offset by lower international sales. Portable Power Rentals benefited from gulf coast cleanup operations and shale activity. Excel Systems declined in part due to the moratorium, but saw backlogs rise nonetheless for its deepwater offshore products. In addition to higher Q3 drill pipe sales to North American land contractors, Grant Prideco. posted higher sales to Asia and saw orders increase nearly one-third from Q2.

  • Generally pricing for most products appears to be stable, with only a handful of products able to increase pricing, usually just a couple of percentage points to offset inflationary forces. For the fourth quarter 2010, we expect revenues and margins to remain roughly flat with the third quarter. The rig technology segment generated revenues of $1.65 billion in the third quarter, down slightly from the second quarter 2010 and down $350 million or 18% compared to the third quarter 2009. Operating profit was $480 million and operating margins were 29.1%. Decremental leverage or flow through was 28% from the third quarter of last year to the third quarter this year. Revenues from backlog declined 8% sequentially, but project margins actually improved slightly, benefiting from lower than expected freight and logistics costs.

  • The group continues to execute superbly as they have throughout this cycle, delivering three drill ships, three semi-submersibles, 4 jack-ups, and several land rigs including our 100th Ideal rig. The group also sold several more complete land rigs during the quarter for both domestic and international markets, including some higher technology rigs for the Russian market. Top drive demand has remained very high for three quarters running now, through a combination of discreet orders to upgrade existing rigs as well as complete rig packages, including NOV top drives. Looking into the fourth quarter of 2010, we expect rig technology revenues to remain roughly flat with third quarter and expect margins to decline slightly into the mid-to-high 20% range, owing to a declining mix of high margin offshore rig fabrication revenue.

  • Turning to NOV's consolidated third quarter income statement, SG&A increased $11 million sequentially due to higher amortization expense, slightly higher bad debt accruals, and incentive compensation. Other expense increased $20 million due to mostly adverse FX movements in the Euro and Norwegian Krone. The third quarter benefited from the lower than expected tax rate about 29.5%, due to a higher mix of income from foreign locations at tax rates below the 35% US statutory rate. The rate also benefited from the exploration of reserves on tax positions taken on years past. We expect the rate to return to the 31% range in the fourth quarter. Un-allocated expenses and eliminations on our supplemental segment schedule increased $4 million, due mostly to higher incentive compensation accruals. Depreciation and amortization increased $3 million from the second quarter to the third to $127 million, and CapEx increased $16 million sequentially to $62 million, a little less than half of DD&A. We expect CapEx for the full year to fall below $250 million.

  • EBITDA excluding transaction restructuring and evaluation charges was $714 million, or 23.6% of revenue. National Oilwell Varco's September 30, 2010 balance sheet employed working capital excluding cash and debt of $3.7 billion, up $185 million or 5% sequentially, due primarily to the decrease in billings and excess of costs and increases in inventory. Working capital is presently running about 31% of annualized sales. Cash flow from operations picked up nicely this quarter, despite the working capital increase to $453 million. As a result, our ending cash balance improved $382 million, in total $3.1 billion at quarter end.

  • Now let me turn it back to Pete.

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Thanks, Clay. I think Clay really gave us a good overview of the market. I just want to add a couple of things to it. I'll be pretty brief here, but, in particular, I'll emphasize the shale's again and the liquid part of those shale's. When you start to talk about the Eagle Ford, the Bakken, the Granite Wash, the Niobrara and the western part of the Marcellus, you are looking at some very interesting plays there with liquids. I think those are going to be plays that are going to take some time to work, and I think the rig count is going to be pretty resilient with that.

  • The other thing that's pretty interesting are the international shale plays. One of the complaints that I get all the time is international shale plays are going to be a lot slower because the infrastructure has to be built out. Well let me remind everybody on this call, we build infrastructure. So actually that will play very nicely into the fair way of what we're doing. Clay also mentioned the bifurcation of the rig market. This is something we talked about extensively, exhaustively. Those of you listening to the calls are probably tired of hearing it, but the best rig wins.

  • What we do, though, to make sure we continue to produce those is bring new products out. I think the life blood of any company is developing new products. It's about improving the products that you have. When I talk about R&D, I would tell you that NOV is much bigger on the D-side. We do a lot of 'R'. But the 'D', the developing of the products that we have and continually improving those is extremely important to us. When you take a look at things like top drives, today we have the TDX1250, which is probably the best big top drive -- not probably. It is the best big top drive on the market. This is one if you've deepwater rigs, big rigs, big land rigs, you want to have this on there because it enhances the capability of you drilling much more efficiently.

  • We continue to enhance our control systems. As you take a look at some of the things that have come about because of new requirements, it's going to be remote control, remote information. It's going to be getting the information from these rigs and being able to look at it on a realtime basis off the rig itself. Having control systems that can do this and having smart equipment, having equipment and having equipment that's set out with RFID chips that can give you that information and tell you how the equipment's operating, tell you what's going down hole, I think is going to become imperative.

  • Also included in that is going to be training. I think with the sophistication of this equipment that we're getting, it really has to have a lot more training today. With that in mind, we have set up academies in Norway, Singapore and Houston to be able to train people every day, every week to be able to make sure that they know how to operate this equipment. But more than that, make sure that they can maintain this equipment in a manner that makes it the most professional in the business.

  • So I think these new products are really what's going to drive these rigs in the future, and it's what the operators want today. It's one of the reasons that you're seeing this rig market becoming bifurcated. You take a look at people like C-Drill, Precision, some of the folks that are putting a lot of money into their rigs, they're the ones that are having the best utilization. We're excited about this. We're going to continue to develop new products to make sure that we stay at the forefront of this business.

  • We're also extremely pleased with the APL acquisition. We think this is really going to bring a lot to us. If any of the APL employees are on this call in, in Norway or around the world, we're looking forward to welcoming you to this family. We're looking forward to the products out there. I think -- I tell people B follows A. If you take a look at all the deepwater drilling, it's going to have to be produced. What's it going to be produced with? Predominantly FPSO's. So we like being in this space. We think it's going to really throw a lot of business our way over the next 4 or 5 years.

  • And finally, Clay pointed out that we've got a pretty significant balance sheet, very strong. With that, I think there's a lot more M&A opportunities out there today. I will caution you, M&A is an art not a science. And it's a science in the sense of being able to value companies. We do that fairly disciplined. It's an art in the sense of being able to negotiate, to 'woo' the companies to want to be part of this organization. I will say this. I think the M&A opportunities out there today are as good as they've been in quite some time. And we're looking forward to over the next six months to a year at being able to talk about different opportunities that we have and being able to bring those opportunities through to fruition.

  • So that really is a quick overview, some things we've been thinking about. And at this time, Christine, I'd like to open up the call to any questions that our listeners might have.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. (Operator Instructions) The first question comes from Jim Crandell from Barclays. Please go ahead.

  • Jim Crandell - Analyst

  • Good morning, guys. Another great quarter.

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Thanks, Jim.

  • Jim Crandell - Analyst

  • First question has to do with Pete and Clay, the new build outside of Brazil. It seems with the jack-ups, we knew a lot of premium jack-ups were out there, but it seems like a light has gone here. By my count, anyway, in the last month or so, we have nine jack-ups orders. You're probably aware more than that. It seems as if there's a lot more that are getting ready to order jack-ups. It also seems there's a number of companies now at least looking harder at ordering new ultra deepwater rigs. How do you see those two segments outside of Petrobras playing out?

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Jim, we're actually pretty optimistic about it. I think you've really kind of outlined it there. We felt like the jack-up market was poised to do some interesting things. I think what's really manifested itself has been when you look at the marketplace itself, I think a couple of years ago everybody said 'well, the jack-ups are going to get oversubscribed and you're going to have too much capacity. What we're finding out again, it comes to that bifurcation. You're starting to see these new jack-ups are really what people want. And, there's a lot of reasons for that. It's the cantilever, independent leg, It's the control systems, top drives, the pipe handling. The offline activity that these things can do that makes them that much more efficient. So, I think you're going to continue to see a nice little market for that. Plus I think the shipyards, don't discount the fact that they're getting more aggressive. The shipyards want to continue to have this work done.

  • When Clay talks about the financing of these places in Korea, in Singapore, there is a lot of local financing, government financing, because they want to keep those shipyards operating. So, I think it's a combination of the best rig wins, plus they're probably becoming a little bit more affordable, if you will. I think some of that is all coming to bear. And we like what we're seeing over the next year or so in this marketplace.

  • Jim Crandell - Analyst

  • Do you see that also happening as increased interest in much more activity surrounding the ultra deepwater space, too, Pete?

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Yes, I think so. We've contented all along that the ultra deepwater space really needed more rigs. And I think the only reason you haven't seen much happen the last couple of years has really been financing. I mean, it really is a situation when you go back to the third quarter of 2008 when the financial system was imploding, a lot of people had things on the table at that point in that they pulled off the table. I think what you're getting today, a couple years later is the stuff being put back on the table.

  • So we think that there will be some activity in that. But, also let me put the caution out there. These projects don't just crop up overnight. Somebody doesn't make the decision 'I want to buy that rig so it's done tomorrow'. These are a little bit more time consuming and will take a while to negotiate deals. Take a while to spec them out. The fact of the matter is they're there and will push into the future. No question about it.

  • Jim Crandell - Analyst

  • Okay. My second question, Pete, could you give a little bit more color on Brazil? Recently in the past, you've talked about the -- your expectations that they would order at least seven rigs in the first half of the year, which you reiterated on this call, but you even spoke to, I think, the fact that they could order more than that here in 2011? How do you see things shaking out in 2011, as far as rig orders coming out of Brazil?

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Well, Jim, I think what you're going to see is -- we've talked a lot about the seven plus two initial order. And that's seven drill ships and two semi-submersible, or potential of that going to a couple of different shipyards. But, the absolute potential of this is 28 rigs. And, I think it's hard to gaze into the future to think absolutely what they're thinking down there. But, I will tell you this. We're firmly committed ourselves to doing things from Brazil. But, The Brazilian's are committed to wanting to have some local build in their rigs and they want to do these things in their shipyards. I think it's going to happen.

  • I think you could see as many as 28 done. My gut feel is it's going to be between the 9 and 28. You could have 16 as an example. But clearly it's going to happen, and we think the tenders will be opened up probably this quarter. But you never can tell.

  • This is not -- the thing about this, I've said this before -- this is actually fairly normal for an international tender. For it to extend out like this doesn't mean that there's anything nefarious happening. It's kind of what happens. I've been in this company for 15 years now. I think I'm still working on some tenders in some parts of this world, and started back 15 years ago. Not that will happen here, I don't mean that. So, I think it's going to happen, Jim and it's going to be anywhere from 9 to 28 rigs.

  • Jim Crandell - Analyst

  • That, Pete, would be over what period of time?

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • I think they make those orders probably within the next year. Maybe 18 months but no longer than that.

  • Jim Crandell - Analyst

  • Okay, So you're saying the most likely case is we could see, again, 16 deepwater rig orders over the next year to 18 months?

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Yes, I don't know if I'd say that's the most likely. I'd say the 9 is the most likely. But it's going to be between the 9 and 28.

  • Jim Crandell - Analyst

  • Got it.

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • They'd need an awful lot of deepwater rigs. To us its very telling, that Petrobras changed the terms of the tender earlier this year to enable them to move beyond 9, that would in fact own or would provide equity financing for. So, that indicated to us they're still moving forward. That plus the fact that they raised so much capital here a few weeks ago we think bodes well for orders there.

  • Jim Crandell - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you very much.

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • The next question comes from Kurt Hallead with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

  • Kurt Hallead - Analyst

  • Good morning.

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Good morning.

  • Kurt Hallead - Analyst

  • Just wanted to follow up that in the context of your PS&S business, a number of different product lines make up that segment. What's been the history of when the pricing improvement will start to roll through some of those business lines after rig count starts to improve? I know you mentioned that there hasn't been really any significant sign of pricing power just yet. So, I don't know if we're maybe getting on the cusp of that or whether you still think it's sometime, in the 12 to 18 month time period before you get some flow through on pricing. Could you give us some color on that?

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • Yes, Kurt. If I had to guess right now, I think your 12 to 18 month time frame is probably a good time frame. When you move through a sudden sharp downturn, and a severe downturn like we did in 2009, our customers pretty much across the board come back in and demand lower pricing and press for longer contracts, and so you end up with some contracts at lower pricing that you sort of have to burn off. You also find that you have to put a lot more iron and crews and equipment and manufacturing capacity back to work before you get back up into a utilization range that permits pricing leverage.

  • So we feel pretty good that the foundation's been laid, that things are starting to consolidate. We're starting to see some stability across our markets in PS&S. To us that tells us that you know, pricing leverage is out there.

  • Now it's just a question of quarter-by-quarter marching a little closer to it each quarter. If you look back at PS&S on a pro forma basis, inclusive of Grant Prideco and excluding all of the merger noise -- It looks a lot like we did in 2005. And back then, I think the segment averaged about 14%, 15%. Sort of operating margins, which this quarter we did 15.1%. It was really as we moved into 2006 that we began to see utilization levels hit the necessary thresholds to be able to push through pricing increases. That's -- that resulted in margins for this group moving up into the low 20% range. So I think -- let's say 2011, we start to see progress on that front and start to see margins really move up a little more strongly.

  • Kurt Hallead - Analyst

  • Okay. In the context then if you look at the biggest business elements, I guess bits and pipe, I guess, drill pipe inspection. And, When you look at the drill pipe business, you said in the past you expect kind of a restocking process, maybe toward the latter part of -- if I'm not mistaken the latter part of this year into the early part of next year. Not quite sure given the shale elements of how you see that market shifting, how it's changed and maybe how it's changed your perspective of a restocking for drill pipe?

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • Yes, I think actually the thesis is unfolding along the lines that we expected, if anything maybe just a little bit earlier. But it's the mix that we're seeing a much higher mix of 4 inch XT pipe for the shale plays. It appears that is kind of the standard drill pipe that the shale play operators are starting to coalesce around. That's great news for us. The XT connection is a proprietary premium connection that we offer. If there's bad news to that, it's that 4 inch is a little smaller than average. It's a little lower priced product offering.

  • Yes, I think it's all headed in the right direction. The other good news that we see out there is the offshore market which had carried us a lot through 2009 with new builds coming into the fleet, buying strings of pipe out through those new builds, took a little pause end of 2009 and through 2010. Now here late in 2010 it looks like the offshore market's starting to come back a little more strongly, too. We think again that's a business that we expect to continue to look better quarter-by-quarter as we move into 2011.

  • Kurt Hallead - Analyst

  • Okay. Finish up just for Pete. You kind of made a reference there on the M&A part. I guess it's kind of like a college recruiting process, right? So you're trying to get a new group of freshmen in there to help your team. Can you give us some general sense as to what the mood is out there with respect to M&A and whether or not now that we're off the trough and we're heading back into an up cycle, it's getting much more difficult to convince some partners out there to become part of the NOV team? Or is the mood such that there's more likelihood that additional deals can get done, whether it's for NOV or the industry in general?

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Actually, Kurt, I would say the mood is much more optimistic today on getting things done. It's interesting when you kind of move out of a trough, it's almost counterintuitive. When you're in the trough, you don't necessarily want to sell. Because you're kind of sitting there going -- and a lot of people don't necessarily want to buy -- because you say 'is it going to keep going lower, or what's the deal'? But when you start to see a little bit of sign of life, I think both parties become a little more optimistic about wanting to do something.

  • I'm very optimistic as to where we are today. M&A kind of seems to move in waves on us. I would say today we've got a lot of opportunity out there. We're always looking at a lot of deals. But I think we're a little bit -- as we look at some of the deals we're seeing today, we're a little bit more optimistic that we can bring these things to the finish line. You know, It's never a guarantee. There have been deals we thought we had in the bag that at the last minute fall apart. Other deals we never thought we had a chance on, at the last minute come together.

  • But we're pretty optimistic and we think that it's probably more of a better and more optimistic market today for M&A to be done. I think that's really pretty much across the industry, with Schlumberger just completing the Smith deal. You saw the GE Dresser deal. I just think there's a lot of potential out there today. We're pretty excited about it. We like where we are with the balance sheet to be able to take advantage of it.

  • Kurt Hallead - Analyst

  • Then do you expect NOV to really continue to emphasize and maintain the manufacturing part? Do you think you're going to have to get into nontraditional NOV type businesses, services or otherwise?

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • We still like what we do on manufacturing, and I think that we do it quite well. I think we're situated for it. We'll look at a lot of different opportunities. But I think clearly the thing that matters the most to us is kind of continuing to expand upon the things we do very well. And the things that we believe we're situated very well in the market to take advantage of.

  • Kurt Hallead - Analyst

  • Thanks a lot.

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Thanks, Kurt.

  • Operator

  • The next question comes from Bill Herbert from Simmons & Company. Please go ahead.

  • Bill Herbert - Analyst

  • Thanks, good morning.

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • Good morning.

  • Bill Herbert - Analyst

  • Clay, back to drill pipe here. So book to bill in excess of one time for the last three quarters, benefiting obviously from an enormous uptick with regard to activity. In an environment in which we could be flattening out with regard to rig count growth and seeing some slippage with regard to dry gas rigs in exchange for oil and liquids rich rigs, how do you expect the drill pipe story to play out in that environment? Both from a volume and a pricing stand point?

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • This is a great question, Bill. And Let me inject, I think, a key observation. It's not just raw rig count that matters anymore. It's really the wear and tear exerted by whatever rigs are drilling. And so what we would suggest that you juxtapose on the rig count is how many are these rigs are drilling horizontally or drilling extended reach wells, are drilling complex well pads to hit multiple geologic targets. Because the wear factor on that pipe goes up some huge multiple of a more traditional vertical rig.

  • And so the rig count's going to rise and fall and continue to be cyclical. There is a very, very steady trend of more and more operators adopting horizontal drilling, and complex well path drilling and extended reach drilling. That's the real driver for drill pipe consumption. So that goes well for margins and consumption of pipe.

  • Bill Herbert - Analyst

  • Say, if you get a mix shift, for example, high service intensity place such as the Haynesville into another one such as Eagle Ford, Bakken and what have you -- and just the trend of increasing laterals and rising surface intensity and wear and tear and what have you that will drive a multiplier over quote unquote activity. How about on the pricing front?

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • Pricing is -- actually, this is one of the few products we're getting a little pricing leverage. Certain sized ranges that I referenced here, where we're seeing demand move up. It's not big. It's mid-to-high single digit type moves. It speaks to the fact that drill pipe's getting tighter. And again, it's not just wear and tear, also too, these complicated well pads require much higher torques. So you need much higher torque connections, and that's where we have a very strong proprietary position.

  • Bill Herbert - Analyst

  • Are most of your alliance sales, if you will, for the big land contractor historically they've been afforded discounted pricing. Have those pretty much been done for next year, or are those yet to come?

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • No, they cycled down a little bit last quarter to -- they sort of buy in big lots. They were largely replaced by rental tool company buying. And we are expecting that the contractors to come back and buy more. So, It's kind of, any particular quarter, you see swings and flows between groups, but that's kind of the current state of affairs. What they're finding is they all need pipe. And they need the right pipe.

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • And they need the pipe coated. We happen to coat the pipe too, that helps with pressure losses

  • Bill Herbert - Analyst

  • I like it. I like it. I get the message. It's all good. Pete, going to FPSO, and your M&A strategy on that front -- we've bought one captive, if you will, technology subsidiary from a prominent FPSO contractor. And we've expanded the revenue per FPSO from call it $20 million, there about, to on the high end now, $120 million or half of a high end drill ship. I'm just curious as to the remaining M&A opportunities within FPSO? A number -- I mean, you've got a number of sort of captive technology subsidiaries remaining within the leading FPSO contractors. Is there value in doing something with those just on a conceptual basis, or are we looking for something else? Walk us through in terms of what the road map is for FPSO in terms of an M&A strategy in front of us.

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Well I think, Bill, as you take a look. One of the things you mention is the people that have the captive operations. And we think that is very attractive. I think a lot of companies today, when they take a look at their strategies, they really want to become more of a pure play. And sometimes you've got way too many things involved in that. People don't know if you're a manufacturer, if you're an FPSO operator, whatever it does. So we think there's opportunity in being able to kind of bring that space together, if you will, and provide us with some more opportunity to add to what we can put on that FPSO. I think that's one part of it.

  • Second part of it is there are other discreet things that are out there. And FPSO's, much like drilling rigs are advancing in technologies. And so, We want to make sure we're stay at the forefront of that technology. So there's some other opportunities. As an example, we've made a financial investment in company up in Aberdeen that's really looking at some new technologies that we think can help define some of the things FPSO's do. So we're going to continue to seep money into some of the technology, expand that. And also to look out there at the some of these captives and see if they might be interested in becoming more of a pure play and selling those to us.

  • There's a lot of potential out there. I'm really excited about this FPSO business.

  • Bill Herbert - Analyst

  • Just one last thing for me. Last year, I think sensibly, we were a little bit loathe to sort of stretch the balance sheet too hard from an M&A standpoint. M&A's been a prominent theme that you have extolled on this call. Walk us through with regard to your balance sheet your thoughts with regard to using your ample balance sheet with regard to M&A going forward. I think historically, the threshold and a less certain time was, 'a billion dollars or higher we'll use stock'. Where do we stand today with regard to that threshold?

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • Let me clarify that, Bill. Because actually, we were pretty aggressive in 2009 and pressed for all cash deals and had a number that were north of a billion that just frankly we couldn't get the stars to align and the parties to agree. So we were unable to get those done. Our strong preference is to use cash.

  • Bill Herbert - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • I just want to be real clear about that. We did use, if you remember back when we acquired Grant Prideco, we used a significant portion of stock on that transaction. But that was pressed for by the sellers. We actually wanted to use more cash. So we appreciate our cash balance and our strong balance sheet position. And believe that with the strong cash flow we've enjoyed the last few years, as well as attractive financing available today that that's a much better way to go. So we're going to continue to stay on that track.

  • Bill Herbert - Analyst

  • All right guys, Thank you very much.

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • Thank you, Bill.

  • Operator

  • The next question comes from David Smith from Johnson Rice. Please go ahead.

  • David Smith - Analyst

  • Good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my question.

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • Good morning, David.

  • David Smith - Analyst

  • I wanted to know if you can help us better understand your opportunity in the FPSO market, just in terms of how many FPSOs per year do you think might get ordered going forward? And maybe how do you think about market share opportunity on those (inaudible) APL?

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • You bet. A couple of points on that as I mentioned. We're aware that there's over 100 potential projects for which FPSOs are being considered that are out there at any given time. This is sort of true of the drilling rig space. There's going to be a certain number of potential customers thinking about projects. I don't want to give you the impression that those are all going to turn into orders because they probably won't. Suffice to say, though there is a big healthy level of interest in FPSOs. There have been other industry estimates of FPSOs to be ordered over the next five years. For instance I'm going to stop short of quoting that to you. But these are pretty widely followed data sources out there that are in the couple of hundred range over the next five years.

  • A couple things. This is a well proven technology. There are roughly 160 in service around the globe. They've been at work for two plus decades as a technology. APL business has over 50 installed turrets. So I think this technology has achieved a level of maturity that takes the technical risk out of it, number one.

  • And then number two, it's very compelling from an economic standpoint, as you're moving into very, very remote deep water basins, and look at the costs of installing a subsea pipeline to build out infrastructure, FPSOs to me just make a lot more sense. They offer a lot of flexibility. They are relatively cheap and easy way to bring oil to market. And so we think as the industry moves further away from the beach, the economics of the FPSO are going to become more compelling. So, rather than give you a number or forecast like that, our interest in this space is really driven by what we think is a pretty bright future for FPSO technology. It goes hand-in-hand with deep water drilling.

  • David Smith - Analyst

  • Absolutely. I appreciate the color. A quick FPSO follow-up. I know that BW reported APL separately. But I have to think that their accounting for APL maybe isn't relevant to how that would look in your portfolio. Can you give us some color just on how you think about margin expectations, relative to how they reported?

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • I will. Before they -- I'm a little reluctant to get too detailed before we actually close the transaction. Suffice to say though, we have a good history of improving the margins and businesses like this. There were Hydralift that we acquired back several years ago. Hitec for instance in Norway, we acquired several years ago which had some just brilliant engineering and technical capabilities. Then I think the NOV organization was able to bring a lot of manufacturing expertise to those. That combination resulted in much better margins from those business.

  • So broadly, that's kind of the template here. We have a lot of fabrication, and machine and assembly assets. A lot of very, very experienced talented professionals within our Rig Technology group that know what they're doing. A lot of appearance working in shipyards on big complicated marine projects. And so, those are all things going into the mix here, and in the past it's been a good recipe for us.

  • David Smith - Analyst

  • Thank you. Great quarter, and I'll turn it back.

  • Clay Williams - Executive VP, CFO

  • Thanks, David.

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Gentlemen that concludes the question and answer session for today. I'll turn it back to Pete for final remarks.

  • Pete Miller - Chairman, CEO, President

  • Thank you all for calling in. We look forward to talking to you when we give the full-year 2010 report after the first of the year. Thanks very much for your interest.

  • Operator

  • Thank you for participating in the third quarter National Oilwell Varco 2010 earnings conference call. This concludes the conference for today. You may all disconnect at this time.