Nomura Holdings Inc (NMR) 2026 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good day, everyone, and welcome to today's Nomura Holdings Third Quarter Operating Results for Fiscal Year Ending March 2026 Conference Call. Please be reminded that today's conference call is being recorded at the request of the hosting company. Should you have any objections, you may disconnect at this point in time. (Operator Instructions)

Please note that this telephone conference contains certain forward-looking statements and other projected results, which involve known and unknown risks delays, uncertainties and other factors not under the company's control, which may cause actual results, performance or achievements of the company to be materially different from the results performance or other expectations implied by these projections.

Such factors include economic and market conditions, political events and investor sentiments, liquidity of secondary markets, level and volatility of interest rates, currency exchange rates, security valuations, competitive conditions and size, number and timing of transactions.

With that, we'd like to begin the conference. Mr. Hiroyuki Moriuchi, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

This is Moriuchi, CFO. Thank you for joining us. I will now give you an overview of our financial results for the third quarter of the fiscal year ending March 2026.

Please turn to Page 2. Return on equity was 10.3%, reaching the quantitative target for 2030 of 8% to 10% or more for the seventh consecutive quarter. Group wide net revenue came in at JPY51.8 billion, up 7% over the last quarter. Income before income taxes fell 1% to JPY135.2 billion, while net income fell 1% to JPY91.6 billion. EPS for the quarter were JPY30.19.

The four main divisions performed solidly, but the segment other incurred losses because of the downturn in market conditions for the digital asset-related businesses. For all four divisions in total, pretax income rose 8% to JPY142.9 billion. This is the highest level in 18.5 years since the first quarter of the fiscal year ended March 2008.

Wealth Management achieved growth of around 30% versus the previous quarter, which was itself a strong quarter. Investment Management saw business revenue rise to an all-time high since the establishment of the division, thanks to the consolidation of the public asset management business of the Macquarie Group, which we acquired in December 1, 2025, but profit fell because of weaker investment gains and onetime expenses associated with this acquisition.

In Wholesale, both equities and investment banking performed solidly generating record revenues. Banking also generated solid revenues from lending activities as well as trust and agent services. In view of our strong momentum, we resolved to set up a share buyback program in order to enhance shareholder return and capital efficiency. The program will run from February 17 to September 30 of this year with an upper limit of 100 million shares and JPY60 billion in amount.

Before we go into details for each business, let us first take a look at earnings in the first nine months of the fiscal year. Please turn to Page 3. As shown on the bottom left, income before income taxes rose 15% year-on-year to JPY432.1 billion, net income rose 7% to JPY288.2 billion. Earnings per share came in at JPY94.67 and return on equity came in at 10.8%.

Please see the bottom right for breakdown of income before income taxes. Pretax income at 4 main divisions rose 10% to JPY381.3 billion. On a nine month basis, income before income taxes is running slightly ahead of the target of over JPY500 billion in our 2030 management vision.

Looking at individual divisions, Wealth Management continued to generate stock strong profits and year-on-year recurring revenue cost coverage ratio rose sharply improving revenue stability. Profits fell in investment management because of onetime expenses associated with the Macquarie acquisition, but operations continued to generate organic growth, thereby steadily broadening the division's business foundations with a view to future growth.

Moreover, all wholesale businesses -- business lines, they performed well, thereby actively driving group-wide earnings. Banking store costs rise ahead of the introduction of new deposit sweep service in the next fiscal year, but loans outstanding and investment trust balances remotely.

We will take a look at the third quarter results. Please turn to Page 7. All percentages discussed from now are based on a quarter-on-quarter comparison. On the top left, you can see that Wealth Management net revenue increased 14% to JPY132.5 billion, while income before income taxes of JPY58.5 billion represents a growth of 29% versus the previous quarter, which was itself a strong quarter. The margin of over 40% on income before income taxes was not only high in absolute terms but was ahead of the Street to.

On the bottom left, you can see that recurring revenue rose to an all-time high of JPY52.7 billion. The first and third quarters tend to be flat quarters for recurring revenue because investment advisory fees are only booked in the second and fourth quarters, but this was completely offset this quarter, thanks to net inflows of recurring revenue assets in excess of JPY500 billion. Floor revenue also increased roughly to JPY79.8 billion. After assessment of market movements and client needs, along with supply of new products helped to ensure strong revenue.

Recurring revenue cost coverage ratio also rose 1 percentage point to 71% amid ongoing cost control initiatives. Please turn to Page 8, where you can see an update on total sales by product. Total sales growth rose JPY300 billion to JPY6.6 trillion, thanks to growth across a wide range of products. Equities registered growth of 4%, thanks to increased secondary trading during market correction phases as well as major primary deals.

Bonds registered a decline of 25%, [yen] denominated bond sales came in flat as rising interest rates boosted yields and ensured solid demand, but foreign bond sales were hit by the disappearance of primary deals booked in the previous quarter. Investment Trust and Discretionary Investments which make up recurring revenue assets saw steady growth in sales and insurance sales remained strong. This demonstrates that the shift from savings to investment has now firmly taken route.

Next, we take a look at the KPIs on Page 9. On the top left, you can see that recurring revenue assets are a net inflow of JPY503.9 billion. Although there were some liquidity needs prompted by record highs in major markets, we secured the largest net increase on record.

Our efforts explain the recurring business are steadily producing results, strengthening our confidence. Meanwhile, as shown on the top right, recurring revenue assets totaled JPY28.1 trillion at the end of December, which also presents an all-time high.

As shown on the bottom left, the number of flow business clients rose by around [270,000] to 1.53 million, volume market conditions led an upturn in client activity and primary deals such as the [SBI Shinsei Bank] IPO also encourage trading activity.

Next, let's take a look at Investment Management on Page 10. On the top left, you can net revenue came in flat at JPY60.9 billion, and the income before income taxes grew 42% to JPY17.9 billion, mainly because of onetime associated with the Macquarie acquisition together with weaker gain associated with American Century Investments, which came under investment gains and losses.

On the bottom left, you could see that business revenue, which constitutes stable revenue rose to an all-time of JPY57.8 billion, benefiting from revenue from the acquisition that we completed in December last year as well as from solid performance in asset management business in Japan.

However, Investment gains fell because of smaller gains related to American Century Investments and the disappearance of gains in the sales of portfolio companies at Nomura Capital Partners. Although profits for the division fell because of weaker investment gain and onetime expenses associated with the acquisition. The impact was offset in consolidated accounts via the reversal of the valuation allowance for deferred taxes, -- deferred tax assets.

Let's now turn to Page 11 and examine our asset management business, which is a key source of business revenue for the division. The graph on the upper left shows that assets under management reached an all-time high of JPY134.7 trillion at the end of December as shown on the bottom left, net inflows amounted to JPY115 billion, representing the 11 consecutive quarter of net inflows.

Net inflows to domestic investment trust business totaled JPY71 billion. Although there were outflows from ETFs for profit in mid rising equity markets and from Japanese equity investment trust due to early redemptions, they were offset by inflows into newly established Japanese equity active private assets and balanced funds.

Net inflows into domestic investment advisory and international businesses totaled JPY44 billion, with the outflows from U.S. high yield bonds and the business we acquired but influenced mainly into yen denominated bonds in Japan. As shown at the bottom right, alternative asset under management rose to a new high of JPY3.3 trillion. This represents growth of about 400 billion versus the end of September, more than half of which stems from net inflows.

Next, let's take a look at wholesale on Page 12. On the top left, you can see that wholesale net revenue rose 12% to JPY313.9 billion, while income before income taxes rose 17% to JPY62.3 billion. The breakdown on the bottom left shows that global market net revenue rose 9%, while Investment Banking net revenue rose 31%.

Please turn to Page 13 for an update on each business line.

Page 13, please. Net revenue in the Global Markets business rose 9% to JPY256.8 billion. Please look at the middle section on the right. Fixed income revenue rose 12% to JPY136.9 billion. In macro products, rates, revenue growth in Japan and the Americas increased flows, while FX emerging revenues rose in EMEA and also recovered in ASIA from the previous quarter.

In Spread products, credit revenues in as investors adopted a cautious approach, but securitized products revenues remained high in the Americas, in particular. Equities revenue rose 5% to a new high of JPY119.9 billion. Equity Products revenue rose sharply in the Americas on strong performance in derivatives and execution services revenues rose sharply in Japan, particularly thanks to primary deals.

Turn to Page 14, please. As you can see on the bottom left, Investment Banking net revenue rose 31% to JPY57.1 billion. This represents the strongest performance for the period since the fiscal year ended March 2017, the earliest period for which we can make meaningful comparisons by product in advisory momentum remains strong in Japan with multiple transactions involving moves to take companies private and cross-border deals, in international businesses, contribution with multiple deals, including deals and closely watch sectors, mainly in EMEA and AEJ revenue rose sharply in financing and solutions major IPOs and public offerings made strong contributions to growth in ECM, especially in Japan, elsewhere, solutions revenue and DCM revenue in Japan also remained strong.

Now let's look at banking. Please turn to Page 15. As seen on the top right, in banking, net revenue came to JPY13.7 billion, up 7% from the previous quarter. Income before income taxes rose 31% to JPY4.2 billion. Income from lending business and [indiscernible] business firm as the division established in April 2025 increased the outstanding balances that we have set as KPIs, while benefits of marketing and advertising strategy started to emerge.

Preparations for the deposit suite service scheduled for introduction in the next fiscal year are progressing as planned.

Next, Page 16, for expenses. Group-wide expenses came to JPY416.5 billion, a 10% or JPY 37.7 billion increase from previous quarter. As shown on the right drivers of the increase includes an FX impact of JPY9 billion as well as JPY13 billion in one-off costs such as onetime expenses associated with the acquisition and the temporary costs arising from partial changes to the deferred compensation plan.

Other major factors include operating expenses related to acquired business provisions for performance-linked bonus and commissions and the floor brokerage fees. These are primary strategic investments aimed at strengthening our future earnings base or variable costs that move in line with revenue.

Moving forward, we will continue to execute strict cost control and work to secure our profitability.

Last, Page 17 for financial position. In the table on the bottom left, we can see that Tier 1 capital at the end of December came to JPY3.6 trillion, up JPY60 billion since the end of September, while risk-weighted assets came to JPY 24 trillion, up by JPY700 billion. The common equity Tier 1 ratio at the end of December came to 12.8%. Our common equity Tier 1 ratio finished the quarter down 13% at the end of September, but this is mainly attributable to the negative effect of 0.5% as a calculation method for regulatory capital ratio changed with the completion of the acquisition of the business from Macquarie Group. This concludes our overview of third quarter results.

In closing in the Q3, strong performance continued across all four segments, as stable revenue grew and -- client flows were monetized against backdrop of U.S. Japanese equities rising to new heights, while absorbing one-off costs associated with acquisition of ROE for the Q3 came to 10.3% and our rebased on performance in the 9 months through the end of Q3, came to 10.8%.

And let me touch upon the situation in January. In Wealth Management, net revenue thus far in January is about even with the level in the third quarter, client sentiment has been favorable despite some selling pressures in the market, and we think household financial assets shifting into investment in response to concerns about the inflation and high and long-term diversified investment need.

In wholesale due to seasonal factors, Q4 tends to be somewhat slower than the previous quarter. Even so GM or global market is tracking broadly in line with the prior quarter. Meanwhile, Investment banking has gone off to a slower -- slightly slow start but overall, the pipeline is solid, and we are not concerned.

In Q3, the impact on earnings from [indiscernible] transactions stemming from fishing caps was negligible based on recent conditions, we think the impact on earnings will continue to be very minimal. Also, there are two items that needs additional explanation regarding laser and investment management division. First, starting with laser. Let me explain the losses in the segment Other.

In this past quarter, we recorded losses in part of our business in EMEA owing to digital asset market movements and the effect of currency hedges. Specifically, earnings at laser digital, the unit that runs digital asset business were negatively impacted by market movements observed in October and November of last year. Laser became profitable two years after its establishment and its performance was solid in Q2, but the units saw further temporary negative impact in the third quarter.

Earnings in the crypto asset business are volatile by nature, and we are well aware of management of the business over medium to long term, it has to take that volatility into account. At the same time, to limit short-term marine fluctuations, we have further tightened control over position the risk exposure.

Moving forward, we will continue to capture growth in crypto markets while strengthening our services and customer base.

Next, regarding Investment Management division's performance. Let me add -- let me explain the existing platform and acquired business separately. First excluding impact of the acquisition of existing platforms AUM expanded from JPY1 trillion as of end of September to JPY110 trillion at the end of December, supported by net inflows and the business revenue reached a record high.

I will explain next the acquired business after consolidating December results. We newly recorded approximately JPY25 trillion assets under management, business revenue for the period was JPY7 billion, and operating expenses were JPY5 billion, in addition, one-off acquisition-related costs and amortization of intangible assets were recorded, bringing total expenses, including operating costs to roughly JPY11 billion.

These one-off acquisition costs reduced the division's pretax profit, but the impact on consolidated net profit after tax was offset by releasing valuation allowances against deferred tax assets associated with the acquisition.

As we explained at the investor event in December, we expect total future expenses of $100 million were sold for transfer and integration-related costs and other items. These costs will be incurred over the next two years, but the majority is expected to be recognized over the one year period starting from the fourth quarter, we are now going over the details of what we expect to spend on growth investments and plan to present this information at the Investor Day event in May because the acquisition was only just been completed, have commented in some detail here about the contribution of the acquired business.

But as acquired the business, becomes more fully integrated into our operational commentary on business performance, we will treat the division as a unified hole while maintaining the disclosure transparency once we are through the initial investment phase of the J-curve, our long-term aim is to grow profits by maximizing synergies between our existing and the newly acquired business.

The company celebrated its centennial on December 25 last year. Going forward, we aim to continue striving for growth with the help of our stakeholders and other stakeholders. We are grateful for your continued support.

(Operator Instructions)

The first question is by SMBC Muraki-san.

Muraki of SMBC Nikko. I have two questions. Page 24, JPY10.6 billion Red Inc. in Europe. Laser digital, you said that there was a fluctuation of the market between September and November.

So JPY10 billion of losses. At that stage, there was quite a sizable position. What was the status in terms of position management one year ago, quite a sizable profits had been recorded. But at that stage, what was the state of position management and in order to control volatility, you said that you are taking measures. But what's your forecast regarding the volatility of performance going forward? That's my first question.

Second question, Wealth Management, Page 7. There was a net increase in investment trust, but amount outstanding, net inflow was quite strong. What's the backdrop? There was not any outflow. Is this sustainable? And margin is more than 40% -- 44%, AI-related investment was cited, but what would be the level of margin.

Muraki-san, thank you for those questions. The first question -- the first point of question one, lasers activity, were there any long positions taken? As you know, regarding lasers activities, institutional investor market making and crypto assets, fund management and Nomura seed investment, venture investment. These are the diverse activities that laser is engaged in as we offer services to customers, as you pointed out, there had been some long positions.

And based upon that situation, going to the second point of your first question, how will we control volatility of performance going forward?

This is a new industry of digital assets, and there are growth prospects, and we are currently in the stage of fostering businesses. And we -- our position is unchanged. We will -- we have long-term commitments. And in terms of risk management framework, we already had a robust risk management framework. On the other hand, in the short term, as you have rightly pointed out, how should I put it?

There are times when sizable revenues are recorded. But last year, in November and December, there was some market disruption. So there is upside as well as downside, quite significant upside as well as significant downside. So in the short term, already, in order to control volatility, we are reducing the volume of risk in the positions we take. So this kind of precise position management will be continued in order to control upside and downside volatility and in the long run, we wish to expand this business.

So that concludes my response to your first question. Second question, Net inflow of investment trust is sizable. Is this sustainable? Now having said so, there is market impact, there is impact from customers' preference.

And I would like to, therefore, refrain commenting on whether we think that this trend will continue.

On the other hand, 44% is a high margin and can we further seek higher margin on this matter? Partially there are impacts coming from the market. So it's difficult to make any comments on that dimension. We are impacted by cyclical factors. Market structural change is taking place and our policies are well aligned to market structural change.

The Japanese market, retail investors are making a major shift from savings into investment. This is a sustainable trend. And we are taking measures that will align to that trend.

So in comparison to historical trends, we think that the margin level will be high, we will be able to maintain higher margin level. On the other hand, on the cost control side, we are continuing our efforts. But selectively, we are using AI, investing into in AI, in order to improve the services we provide to our customers, so that will continue. So that concludes my response to your two questions.

My second question, Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch margins are 30%. They've targeted 30% and the actual is slightly over the target. But why does Nomura such advantage? Is it because the asset size is -- would they have larger asset size? What's your advantage?

Thank you for the question. I was consulting with our people in IR, there are country-to-country differences in terms of market structure, making it difficult to do an apple-to-apple comparison. The Nomura's Wealth Management 100% sales are in-house. And because of that, partly because of that, it's easier to control cost. And the revenue market structure, I will have to once again check the market structure to respond regarding revenue so I will conclude here.

The next question is asked by Watanabe-san of the Daiwa securities.

I'm Watanabe from Daiwa. I have two questions. First question is about Wealth Management's pricing strategy, other phase to phase securities overseas equities and other products they are raising commissions. Do you have a discussion internally about raising pricing? Second question is about the timing and scale of buyback. Why Q3? Why not Q4? What's the background of the JPY60 billion insights?

Thank you for your questions. for your first question on Wealth Management's commission rate, whether our peers are raising commission and what is our situation? That's your question. It's related to Wealth Management strategy. So I would like to refrain from answering that question.

For us, we are focusing on value provision to customers. So we are considering what is the best solutions for customers. And we would like to continue our deliberation.

Regarding your second question about the timing of buyback, why Q3 and also you asked about the value or amount. Regarding the timing, for one thing, Macquarie U.S. asset management and transaction closing was the first of December. And by looking the business, CET1 ratio impact was not clear, but it was clarified and finalized. So our investment capacity was clarified.

So in the market there is an expectation for buyback. So without taken into consideration, we wanted to live up to expectations of investors and decided on buyback.

Regarding the size of buyback as mentioned repeatedly, for us investment strategy and future opportunities and also, at the same time, the importance of shareholder return are all considered. And based upon the balance, we came to the decision on the size. Thank you very much.

Regarding the second answer. CET1 ratio. That's above the target range this time. And on that basis, you came to JPY60 billion. So if FY 2025, so based upon the total return ratio target. So this completes your actions to meet the target for FY 2025?

So whether we are at or above 50% in total return ratio that cannot be decided until we see the fourth quarter results. Based upon the fourth quarter results, we will check whether there is shortfall or not. If there is a shortfall, then we will consider measures to take at that point in time. But when deciding on the amount, it is possible to add to what we have announced.

The next question will be by JPMorgan Securities, Sato-san.

JPMorgan Securities, Sato. I have two questions. First, Global Markets, post-January performance. You touched upon that subject Q3, you said that the trend of Q3 has been maintained since the beginning of the month. Domestic rates recently, there had been some fiscal concerns that had led to a spike in interest rates, which means there was lack of buyers.

So some people cited that there was dysfunctioning of the market. And under such circumstances, how should we view your domestic rates business?

Secondly, just to confirm the numbers, Macquarie acquisition, one month worth revenue expenses, revenues and expenses will be booked, but normal great contribution, JPY7 billion revenue, JPY5 billion cost, so JPY1 billion per month times 12. Is that the right assumption? So can you confirm whether those numbers are correct?

Thank you for the question. Then on the first question, the performance is solid in January as was the case of Q3, but what about domestic rates? As you have pointed out, there has been some increase in volatility in the market, super long bond rates are going up. And therefore, some of the clients are taking a wait-and-see attitude and that is partly reflected in our Japan rates business, which has seen some slowdown.

On the other hand, for global markets, in general, we are doing quite well because our business has diversified. In Japan, it's not rates alone. We're doing equity, credit we're in diverse business areas and our GM business overseas, especially U.S., the business has grown to become quite sizable. So this slowdown has been absorbed, and we are recording some performance in January.

On the second question of Macquarie acquisition, no, in peace time, 7 minus 5, to minus goodwill, 1 times 12. That's the broad image, but this one month is quite difficult because in revenue, seed capital -- we have seed capital to foster the business, and there is fluctuation. For the annual in annualized the position is neutral. But when we look at a snapshot of one month, there could be some fluctuations, so it could become bigger. So I think that's the way to look at it.

The next question comes from (inauduble) of BoFA Securities.

So this time, personnel cost increased and deferred compensation accounting method was changed and that impact is included, and moving forward in Q4 and after Q4 as well, what is going to be the impact in and after Q4? And also, what is the actual amount, absolute amount in impact? And considering that this time, revenue due to weak end and personnel costs due to weak end both seem to have increased.

But the way personnel costs increased. What was the reality of how personnel costs increased. That is my first question. And the impact from next fiscal year.

Next question. Second question is about laser digital. You said you have reduced position. But moving forward, this business is what you would like to grow and of course, you have traditional securities business, which is growing.

But when the size increases, then you have no choice about to increase positions and then hedge is impossible for crypto assets. Then how should we think about the positioning in the long term, how do you deal with the volatility that needs to be considered. So what is your thinking?

Thank you for your questions --. Regarding your first question on deferred compensation, accounting method change, what is the actual impact? And what is the impact expected in the fourth quarter and the next year? In the third quarter, actual impact amounted about JPY8 billion. In the fourth quarter, about the same amount is expected as impact.

And next year onward, or JPY15 billion or JPY16 billion expected impact. But next year -- well, that's this year. So for next year, 40% or 50% of that is what we expect for next year. And year after next, the impact will be negligible.

It's difficult for me to explain here the accounting treatment involving the slight in timing of cost recognition. Deferred compensation systems have varying treatment. So the cost is front loaded and spending after 12 months, the level normalizes that's how we should think about it.

Regarding your second question about the reduction of laser positions. In the medium and long term, with the business growing, the position will grow bigger and the volatility will stay elevated. That's the point which you pointed out, I believe. And regarding your point, strategy included, we need to have a thorough discussion in any ways. We would like to grow this business in the medium to long term, but there are several activities by holding inventories we do market making and training for customers, then the unit risk exposure, will be reduced.

On the other hand, as mentioned, digital asset or crypto asset-related businesses, in addition to market making for institutional investors include other businesses such as crypto asset management business or venture ecosystem supporting business also combine custody-related businesses, there are such other businesses. So while ensuring diversity, we would like to grow the ecosystem. That is our direction. So just like you (inaudible), we have the same sense of risk. So while understanding those points, we would like to conduct this business.

Regarding lending, are you conducting lending right now? And there is no extra risk there if you are conducting lending business like crypto asset lending.

Regarding lending business, we do have lending business as part of product lineup, but activity is very small.

The next question is for UBS Securities (inaudible).

This is [Niwa]. Wholesale resource efficiency and private assets. First, revenue and risk-weighted asset ratio Page 12, 7.7%, quite high. And how does the management evaluate this level? And you've been talking about improving efficiency. So is there room for further increase division ROE.

Do you think that this could be raised further. That's the point of my question.

And secondly, I will deviate, but in Nikkei newspaper, Mr. (inaudible) was responding to an interview regarding private assets. And he was talking about selling Japanese products in other countries. So if you want to invite assets or investments into Japanese private asset, what is your estimate of the size of the business in terms of AUM or revenue? Or in order to engage in such business, does Nomura need to be equipped with a new function. So those are my questions.

Then on your first question regarding resource efficiency of resource, Page 12, 7.8%. Revenue modified RWA, we think that this is so and so acceptable global markets, Hong Kong, Singapore, IWM is engaged in wealth management business. Resource is not so much needed and taking that growth, all of the activities taken together, this is the level. So for example, if the question is whether the resource efficiency is going up in a certain business, not so. This is a result of the business mix. So that's my first point.

And next, this number, is it possible to further increase this number? If we over focus on that, the statutory capital RWA revenue or profitability in order to increase that, we may end up taking too high substantive risk in light of the economic capital. So it's good that this number goes up. But rather than just focusing on this indicator, we would look at various indicators comprehensively for risk management. And if in the end, this number goes further up, then that's positive.

We have the self-funding program. The resource maybe somewhat tight for the business, and they are incentivized to focus on efficiency of resources. So even if there is a potential project, they have to judge whether resource can be used efficiently in light of the revenue that could be gained from that project. So I think that kind of incentive has also delivered results. So this 7.8% is quite reasonable and appreciate it, but we're not just chasing this number.

Second question, Japanese private asset in order to invite money into Japan for development of Japanese infrastructure, what kind of mechanism or what our estimate of the size of the resource. Regarding those points, it might be a bit premature to share the design we have in mind. And I think we need to engage in more internal discussions. At one point in time, we will probably have more factors that we can speak to you, and then we will explain our strategy. I hope that this would do for today.

(Operator Instructions) As there is no more question. We'd like to conclude question-and-answer session. Now we'd like to make closing address by Nomura Holdings.

Thank you very much, I'm Hiroyuki Moriuchi. Thank you very much for spending your precious time. As mentioned, there are one-off items and the technical accounting-related items, which are difficult to grasp. And they are ending up in increase in revenue and decrease in profit in any ways for divisions delivered a strong performance and we are positively looking at the performance.

So medium, long term, we are focused on growing the revenue power of those four divisions. As for laser digital, we believe the business is promising in the medium and long term. So we would like to grow the business while suppressing short-term volatility by controlling the risk volume. In any case, thank you very much for your precious time that you spend with us. That is all for me. Thank you.

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