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Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the NiSource Fourth Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Randy Hulen, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please proceed.

Thank you, Andrew, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our quarterly investor call.

Joining me this morning are Joe Hamrock, Chief Executive Officer; and Donald Brown, Chief Financial Officer.

The purpose of today's call is to review NiSource's financial performance for the fourth quarter and full year of 2017 as well as provide an update on our business operations and growth drivers. We'll then open the call up to your questions.

During this call, we will be referring to our supplemental earnings slides. These slides are available on nisource.com.

Before turning the call over to Joe, just a quick reminder. Some of the statements made on this conference call will be forward looking. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the statements. Information concerning such risks and uncertainties is included in the MD&A and Risk Factors sections of our periodic SEC filings. In addition, some of the statements made on this conference call relate to non-GAAP measures. For additional information on the most directly comparable GAAP measure and a reconciliation of these measures, please refer to the supplemental slides and additional segment and financial information, which are also available on nisource.com. In that document, you'll also find our full financial schedules that have historically been available in our earnings release.

With all that out of the way, the call is now yours, Joe.

Thanks, Randy, and good morning, everyone. And thanks for joining us.

2017 was a year of solid execution across all facets of our business plan with industry-leading employee safety performance, improved customer satisfaction across all NiSource utilities

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infrastructure investments, increased customer growth, more recognition as the best place to work and

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Let's look at Slide 3 of our supplemental deck and highlight some of our significant achievements in 2017. We delivered non-GAAP net operating earnings per share of $1.21 compared to $1.09 in 2016. This was slightly above our guidance range for 2017. We invested a record $1.7 billion in our utility infrastructure in 2017, part of our more than $30 billion of identified long-term investment opportunities. This investment included replacing 377 miles of priority natural gas pipeline, which drove continued reductions in leaks and methane emissions. We also replaced 68 miles of underground electric cable and about 1,300 electric poles, improving electric service reliability for our customers in Indiana.

We achieved industry top-decile performance in our core employee safety metrics, and I'm proud to say that 2017 was our safest year ever. Customer satisfaction scores improved across all NiSource utilities. J.D. Power and Associates recognized Columbia Gas of Virginia as one of the nation's top gas-only brands and NIPSCO as one of the most improved electric brands, and we added nearly 28,000 new customers with growth driven by increased conversions to gas from other fuels in a healthy housing market. We successfully completed key regulatory initiatives with approvals of gas base rate case settlements in Maryland and Virginia and our power generation environmental investment plan in Indiana. We refinanced nearly $1 billion in long-term debt at more favorable rates, which will result in significant interest expense savings over the next several years.

We established aggressive environmental targets supported by our business strategy, including a 50% reduction of greenhouse gas emissions from 2005 levels by 2025. We earned global recognition as The Best Place to Work as well as for our inclusive and diverse culture. NiSource was the top-ranked utility in Forbes magazine's list of America's Best Large Employers for 2017, and for the first time was recognized as The Best Place to Work for LGBTQ Equality by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation and in early 2018, we were one of 104 companies in the world named to the inaugural Bloomberg Gender-Equality Index. And we delivered a total shareholder return of more than 19% for 2017, significantly exceeding the 2 major utility indices. As you can see, NiSource's performance in 2017 created value for our customers, the communities we serve, our employees and our investors. And we're well positioned for continued growth.

Before turning the call over to Donald, I'd like to note how pleased I am with the targeted solution for the regulated utility industry that Congress included in Federal tax reform. Because this solution supports the continued investment in critical utility infrastructure that provides long-term benefits for our customers and communities. We're working with our key stakeholders and regulators in all 7 states to shape the most balanced and constructive approach to pass the benefits of tax reform back to our customers. This effort should play out over the next 6 months or so.

To highlight a few examples of this effort, in Indiana, we amended the NIPSCO gas rate case to reflect the impact of tax reform, lowering the requested increase by approximately $26 million. In Ohio, we expect to include customer benefits from tax reform as part of our discussions around the capital expenditure program filing that requests the writer to recover deferred capital investments made since 2011, in which are not being recovered under the existing infrastructure modernization tracker. As I said, these efforts as well as others across the remaining jurisdictions, will take shape over the next 6 months or so.

With this clarity about the new tax law and the expected regulatory implementation of its provisions, we're confident in our ability to meet our commitments to the financial community and continue to create solid shareholder value.

Now I'd like to turn the call over to Donald, who will discuss our financial performance in more detail. Donald?

Thanks, Joe, and good morning, everyone.

I'd like to start by adding a few more details around tax reform, which we know has been of great interest to investors over the past year. Turning to Slide 4. With the adoption of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, we revalued our net operating loss carryforward to $508 million, which is expected to continue to provide NiSource the cash tax benefit beyond 2025. I would also point out that the remeasurement of our deferred tax liabilities increased our regulatory liabilities by approximately $1.5 billion, which will provide a benefit to our customers. As Joe mentioned, the new tax law is a positive for our customers since it lowers their costs and supports our continued investment in critical utility infrastructure, which benefits all stakeholders by enhancing safety, service reliability and the environmental performance of our system.

As we get more clarity on the regulatory implementation and work through business initiatives focused on efficiencies, we will better understand the impact of tax reform on our credit metrics, specifically, funds from operations to debt. With this clarity, we will then finalize any necessary changes to our financing plan, which may include utilizing a mix of hybrids, convertibles, debt and equity. I would add that any necessary changes will be within the context of delivering on our stated financial commitments, including every effort to maintain our current investment-grade credit ratings. It puts confidence in our plans and the levers and flexibility that we have available to us to manage this near-term impact, and that we are reaffirming our 2018 non-GAAP net operating earnings guidance of $1.26 to $1.32. We also continue to expect to grow our non-GAAP net operating earnings per share and dividends by 5% to 7% each year through 2020 and to invest $1.6 billion to $1.8 billion annually in our utility infrastructure programs through 2020.

Moving on to our results on Slide 5. We delivered non-GAAP net operating earnings of about $398 million or $1.21 per share in 2017 compared with about $351 million or $1.09 per share in 2016. The biggest driver of our solid financial performance continues to be the impact of our long-term infrastructure modernization investments supported by solid regulatory outcome and established infrastructure trackers. I would note that our GAAP results were impacted by certain balance sheet adjustments and other items related to Federal tax reform.

Let's now turn to the non-GAAP financial results for our business segments. Our Gas Distribution Operations segment had operating earnings of about $587 million for the year compared with operating earnings of about $598 million in 2016. Net revenues were up about $164 million, driven primarily by new rates from base rate cases and infrastructure replacement programs. This increased revenue was more than offset by operating expenses, which increased by about $174 million.

Our Electric Operations segment reported operating earnings of about $377 million for the year, an increase of about $75 million from 2016. Net revenues were up about $122 million, driven by new rates from the 2016 base rate case and increased investment in the transmission projects. This increased electric revenue was partially offset by an approximately $48 million increase in operating expenses.

As we've discussed previously, the planned 2017 increase in non-tracked O&M expenses were largely driven by commitments in recent rate case settlements to make certain investments in safety, reliability and customer service enhancements. We're managing these expenses closely, and we're on track for flat O&M expenses compared with 2017. Full details of our results, including details of our fourth quarter performance are available in our earnings release and supplemental financial information posted this morning at nisource.com.

Now turning to Slide 6. I'd like to briefly touch on our debt and credit profile. Our debt level as of December 31 was about $9 billion, of which about $7.7 billion was long-term debt. The weighted average maturity on our long-term debt was approximately 18 years and the weighted average interest rate was approximately 4.8%, which is more than 100 basis points lower than at separation. This reduced cost of capital will help provide long-term sustainability to our infrastructure investment programs. And at the end of 2017, we maintained net available liquidity of about $1 billion, consisting of cash and available capacity under our credit facility and our accounts receivable securitizations. Going forward, our financial foundation is solid and poised for continued growth.

Now I'll turn the call back to Joe to discuss a few customer infrastructure investment and regulatory highlights.

Thanks for that update, Donald.

Now let's turn to some specific highlights for the fourth quarter and early 2018 from our Gas Operations on Slide 7. Our gas base rate case in Indiana remains pending before the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission. In January, we made a supplemental filing which incorporates the customer benefits of Federal tax reform, lowering our annual revenue increase request by nearly $26 million if approved as filed. The case supports continued investments in system upgrades, technology improvements and other measures to increase pipeline safety and system reliability. An order is expected in the second half of this year.

In Ohio, the Public Utilities Commission in January approved the 5-year extension of Columbia Gas of Ohio's Infrastructure Replacement Program. This well-established program covers replacement of priority mainline pipe and targeted customer service lines. Also in Ohio, we filed an application in December for a capital expenditure program tracker, which would allow us to begin recovering deferred capital investments made since 2011 and not currently recovered in rates. Our application seeks to increase annual revenue by $29 million in 2018. And new rates under infrastructure modernization tracker program updates took effect last month in Kentucky, Indiana, Maryland and Virginia. Investments under these programs are designed to further improve system reliability and safety while efficiently recovering associated costs.

Now let's turn to our Electric Operations on Slide 8. The IURC, in December, approved our environmental settlement agreement covering approval and cost recovery for investments related to handling coal ash residuals from certain units at our Michigan City and Schahfer Generating Stations. Construction work on these projects is underway and is expected to be complete by the end of 2018.

We continue to execute on our long-term electric infrastructure modernization program, which includes enhancements to electric transmission and distribution infrastructure designed to improve system safety and reliability. Approximately $1.25 billion of investments are planned through 2022. New rates took effect in November under our second semiannual tracker update. The latest tracker update request was filed last month and covers approximately $75 million of investments made from May through November of 2017. And construction of our 2 major electric transmission projects is expected to be completed in mid-2018. The 100-mile 345 kV and 65-mile 765 kV projects are designed to enhance regionwide system flexibility and reliability.

As we wrap up today, just some key takeaways before opening the call to your questions. NiSource's utility infrastructure modernization programs continue to create value for customers, communities and shareholders and are sustainable for the long term. For 2018, we continue to expect to deliver non-GAAP net operating earnings in the range of $1.26 to $1.32 per share and to complete $1.7 billion to $1.8 billion in capital investments. We remain on track to execute against our more than $30 billion in identified long-term investment opportunities. With our robust investment plans, we continue to expect to grow both operating earnings and our dividend by 5% to 7% annually through 2020 while maintaining our investment-grade credit ratings.

Thank you all for participating today and for your ongoing interest in and support of NiSource. Now let's open the call to your questions. Andrew?

(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Congratulations on another solid year. Joe, since you took the helm, you kind of laid out a pretty solid story of sustainable growth, protecting the balance sheet, predictability and then kind of recently, we kind of saw a headline that suggested you might be taking a different tack. Can you comment on that?

I'm not sure what headline you're referring to, Paul, but...

It's [kicking the tires] on Vector.

Oh, got you, got you. Yes. So I won't speculate or comment on M&A activity or market rumors. I'll say that NiSource has always had a disciplined approach to growing shareholder value. And the most recent example of that was last year when we elevated our CapEx program announced at Investor Day that should result in an increased long-term growth rate of 5% to 7%. And our current focus to grow shareholder value calls for continued execution of the $30 billion of long-term identified investments that, as you know, will benefit our customers and communities and underpins the sustainability of our plan. Our focus remains there.

Okay. And then because NiSource has a little bit of a unique structure from a corporate structure standpoint, can you just give a little more detail around how you've addressed tax reform issues and interest deductibility?

Sure. As noted earlier, as I mentioned, and Donald touched on this as well, we're very pleased that the new framework reflects the targeted solutions that so many of us advocated for across the industry throughout 2017. Fundamentally, because it benefits our customers and supports economic growth, which underpins our business, and it enhances the sustainability of our infrastructure modernization strategy by reducing one of the pass-through costs in customer bills. So while there is near-term adjustments to cash flow that we'll need to navigate, we're confident in our ability to do that as evidenced by our reaffirmation of 2018 guidance back in December. Donald can provide some additional insights and details. But one of the things that we've looked at is the key to the retention of interest expense deductibility, and we're able to retain that through one of the elements of legal entity restructuring at the subsidiary level that we initiated in early 2017. Among other changes, this effort includes the conversion of NIPSCO to an LLC, which was completed just last week. So note that this minor restructuring has no effect on either investors or customers, but helps us to retain the overall framework that's so important to us. Donald, any other additional details on our positioning on that?

No. I think when you think about the other impact of interest deductibility, yes, we did lose some value from the interest tax shield going from 35% to 21%, but we've got levers from an O&M standpoint and financing standpoint and regulatory mechanisms that allows us to offset that and maintain our earnings commitment for 2018 and going forward.

Just another quick question, Donald. You indicated you hedged $1 billion of interest rate risk, did you expense that in '17? Or will that be amortized over the debt as you put it in place?

That will be amortized over the life of the debt.

Our next question comes from Shar Pourreza with Guggenheim Partners.

So just on the -- one question on the holdco debt. The $2 billion that historically is in like an intercompany loan to the utilities. Just -- Joe, just -- so basically by NIPSCO turning into an LLC, you classified NiSource as a regulated utility, which is how you sort of got that carve-out?

That's a fair characterization, Shar.

Okay. That's helpful. Okay. Great. And then let me just -- just on sort of the equity. And you guys have historically have guided to $200 million to $300 million in equity through internal programs, and you've talked about sort of being opportunistic depending on where your balance sheet metrics are going to shake out. Just remind us, what's the status of the internal programs for '18? Is there any preliminary indications that this range could change and sort of more importantly, as you guys are having discussions with the commissioners, is there sort of any prelim talk about potentially retaining some of the tax savings and maybe deploying it into needed infrastructure? So i.e., accelerate some spending versus immediate credits to the rate payers?

So -- thanks, Shar. This is Donald. I think it's early. We're in 7 states having conversations with our regulators regarding tax reform and those impacts. In most cases, we have made filings to provide information around those deferred tax adjustments and what those impacts could be on customers. I think what we've got is flexibility. At this point, if you think about being in 7 states, having the number of infrastructure programs we've got in place as well as the NIPSCO gas case and the Ohio CEP program that I think we've got an ability to manage the cash impact over time through those different programs and maintain our earnings and dividend growth commitments.

That's super helpful. And then just lastly, is -- you guys have utilized your levers extremely well so whether it's on the O&M side or whether it's been sort of that refinancing program. Is there anything, first of all, left on the refi program? And then Joe and Donald, are you still comfortable sort of guiding towards a flat O&M profile even beyond your current outlook, especially when you sort of utilize the levers of the NIPSCO and Columbia Gas merger?

Yes. So I'll start first on the refinancing. When we refinanced the debt last May, we only refinanced about half of that debt. There are still maturities in 2019, 2020 and '22. So we'll continue to look at those and see if there is opportunity to refinance that and provide savings and value for our shareholders, but that is not contemplated in our earnings guidance at this point. I'm sorry, the second question was? O&M.

I'll jump in there. Shar, on the O&M side, as we talked about over the past couple of quarters, the O&M increases in 2017 were largely due to the commitments we've made in the areas of safety, reliability, trainings, some pretty significant commitments there all aimed at sustaining value for our customers. In that vein, we also had planned increases to support our customer growth initiative and our customer value strategy, which are both off to a great start and underpin our confidence in the sustainability of our plan and the expectation of flat O&M in 2018 off of the 2017 base. So we're in a really good spot there.

That's helpful and congrats, guys, on another good quarter.

Our next question comes from Michael Weinstein with Credit Suisse.

Could you just comment a little bit about the -- any equity that might be needed in order to strengthen the balance sheet as the result of tax reforms? And I realize that, that might be dependent somewhat on your discussions with regulators throughout the year in order to -- and how that discussions go regarding preserving cash flows or amortizing regulatory assets and things like that. Can you talk about the -- a need for equity and perhaps, the timing of when you would be able to announce that need and more specifics around that?

Yes. So as I said, we're working across the 7 states. I think it will take some time, it's -- I would expect it's going to be the next 4 to 6 months before we have any clarity from a regulatory perspective on the timing of that pass back. At the same time, we are having conversations with rating agencies and showing them our plan as well as scenarios around financing depending on cash flow changes. Again, I think we've got levers in terms of financing that's not just equity. We would look at debt in terms of tenors. Historically, we've done mostly 30-year debt. And so if we shorten that into 3s and 5s and 10s, that would provide some savings in FFO.

We'd also look at hybrids and preferreds that provide you some equity content as well as equity. So I think it's probably 3 to 6 months -- I'm sorry, 4 to 6 months in terms of the regulatory. That's the part that we're really focusing on at this point, and then the financing plan will come out of that.

Right. And to what extent are these plans already contemplated inside the 5% to 7% earnings growth rate?

All of those plans are contemplated. So I think our -- coming out in late 2017 right after tax reform was to reaffirm our confidence in our plan and having flexibility and levers to hit our earnings guidance for 2018 as well as long term.

Right. And it doesn't -- does it move you around in the range at all, though, I mean, towards the low end of the range as a result of any equity that might come out? Or is this something that had been planned so well in advance that you're -- there's essentially no change to the 5% to 7%? Which is it?

Yes. There's essentially no change to the 5% to 7%. We think we've got -- we believe we've got levers to hit that range. If you think about what we've always said around the range, lower versus higher, what really drives our earnings year-to-year are our regulatory programs and our execution on those regulatory programs. And so that's still the case going forward here. Our execution in those programs would get us to the higher range because of timing on those programs or, at least, how we come out. So no concerns with hitting the higher range or -- at all going forward.

Joe here. A couple things I'd add. Just to add a little context around that whole picture is, keep in mind that the targeted solution reflects the advocacy work that we were all involved in a year ago. So we had a pretty long runway to take into account all of the various factors that ultimately did show up in the tax reform package. So our plans have been well developed over a year or more now. And then I'd add to that on the regulatory side with our -- the puzzle of 7 jurisdictions and multiple rate mechanisms, it's a little hard to predict specific timing across each of those. But given our relatively rapid regulatory cadence across our 7 states, we have every expectation that most of those are settled going into 2019, and that we have essentially build into rates, the full effect of the tax reform and reduced interest rates and the customer rates going into 2019. So those 2 kind of bookends to the strategy might help think about how we're framing everything.

Our next question comes from Christopher Turnure with JPMorgan.

Most of my questions have been answered, but I just wanted to ask you if you have an update to your rate base, growth CAGR long term of 8% to 10%? And I'm assuming that that's going to be a bit higher now. Is there a confidence that you guys have that given that, that's going to positively impact you in the long term, that some of these shorter-term things that you're doing to offset the pain of tax reform will kind of transition into that in a smooth way? In other words, there won't be a year or 2 where you have the negative of tax reform, but you don't have the positive benefit of the higher rate base?

Yes. Chris, thanks for that. It's a little early to think through or guide through those. We remain committed to the guidance we provided previously, the 8% to 10% rate base growth from last year. We'll continue to look at our plan as we go through the year ahead, especially with all of the regulatory activity related to tax reform. But as we sit here today, the current guidance holds.

Yes. And I'd add that certainty, all things being equal, rate base will be higher because of tax reform. We're just not at a place to -- with the regulatory implementation that needs to take place to state what rate base growth will be. I'd also say that we're not at a point where we would change our CapEx plans. We're still committed to the $1.6 billion to $1.8 billion a year.

Okay. Excellent. And then just a follow-on from, I think, the last question on the timing of the next couple kind of key decisions for you guys. In regulatory or investor disclosures, you highlighted that the regulatory elements there are probably the most important thing. But we also have, possibly, the IRS coming out with clarity on interest deductibility and then at some point, a need for you guys to possibly look beyond 2020 for your long-term guidance. So do you think we might kind of have a midyear point in time where there's enough to give us a full update there? Or we'll have to wait until early 2019?

Yes. So I'd say from a long-term plan, we have -- big point of guiding through for 2020 was our long-term plan looks at replacement of our generation capacity last year. We talked about retiring some of our coal units in 2018 and 2023. And so the long term, we need to make some decisions on the replacement of that coal capacity. We're kicking off that IRP program this year and think by the end of the year, we should have clarity on what that CapEx plan, if any, looks like and be able to guide past 2020.

Our next question comes from Greg Gordon with Evercore ISI.

Again, most of my questions have been answered and I don't need to beat a dead horse. But when you expressed confidence in your ability to meet the 5% to 7% growth rate for 2020, I presumed you sort of have done a scenario analysis that looks at where you're at or the debt metric is today pro forma for tax reform, what regulatory outcome will be in the next 12 months or so.

And then sort of algebraically solving for a differing equity (inaudible). In most or all those cases, you are somewhere in the 5% to 7% range. Is that the right way for me to think about it as I try to back pass your confidence in your ability to continue to meet the earnings targets?

That's exactly right, Greg. As we started thinking about tax reform and the pass back of those savings because we're really looking state-by-state, trying to understand what those changes could be, what the impacts could be, looking at O&M as well because that impacts FFO. And then, as you said, kind of back-solving to see what type of financing would provide us to hit our rating commitments with our agencies as well as our 5% to 7% earnings growth commitments.

Okay. So there are scenarios where you get constructive rate outcomes, there's minimal equity needs, and you're at the high-end of the range. And there's other outcomes where you get less constructive outcomes and you pulled off the cost levers more, but you need more equity and you might trip towards the middle or the low end of the range? Is that the right way to think about it?

Yes. Certainly, you could have scenarios in all of those directions, yes.

In any given year, that's true.

Our next question comes from Charles Fishman with Morningstar Research.

Just on the dividend increase. You had certainly a terrific increase last month. Can I assume the 5% to 7% dividend increase, annual dividend increase growth is based on that new dividend?

That is correct. We raised the dividend. What we've always stated was that we'd have a -- we target about a payout of 60% to 70% with our earnings growth from 2016 to '17 as well as our guidance of $1.26 to $1.32 for next year. The 11% increase was really in line with our long-term commitments around growth and dividend payout.

Okay. And then a second question. You've had the $10 billion of identified long-term infrastructure for your electric -- Indiana Electric operations for quite some time. And I realize you're in the middle of IRP, but does that -- does the $10 billion -- is that more than just T&D? In other words, is there any other coal plan environmental projects that are in there? Is there any -- a new gas plant in there? What is in that $10 billion?

Yes. Charles, this is Joe. That -- we refreshed that at Investor Day last year. And that -- so that was a -- and that number's about a year old at this point, and it does reflect the full suite of investments across generation transmission and distribution predominantly on the T&D side. But if you look at our generation strategy, there is the anticipation of new generation inside that number as well as, I'll call it, a tail on the environmental spend, the ELG spend is in the next decade. So you'll see a little bit of all of that mixed into that picture as well as some customer growth.

When you say the tail of the environmental spend, what -- are there other units at Schahfer or Michigan or -- that are still out there that need some work?

No. We're in the CCR investment cycle right now. So that piece is a part of that. Keep in mind, we filed a $400 million CPCN last year for environmental retrofits, both CCR and ELG compliance-related investments. We have a settlement and approval on the CCR side but the ELG rule has been stayed. So that spend is still anticipated, was included in the $10 billion and likely falls out beyond 2020.

So it sounds like you just have a plug in there for potentially a new gas plant. And obviously, the outcome of the IRP might drive that and help you refine it?

That's correct, yes. The -- in the last IRP, we did show a combined cycle plant. So it's consistent with the last IRP. But as was noted earlier, Donald touched on this, we will go through a new integrated resource planning cycle this year starting next month, first stakeholder meeting next month. And so we'll go through a full market analysis, we'll do an RFP to see what's available in the market, look at our build options. And as we cycle through that around the end of this year, we should have a much more updated picture of those expectations. But that was included in the $10 billion, about $800 million or so in the $10 billion.

(Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from Faisel Khan with Citigroup.

This is Ryan Levine for Faisel. Just a couple of quick questions. Do you anticipate changing the duration or tenor of your debt obligations to help manage your earnings growth outlook in light of your comments around financing adjustments to help achieve your guidance?

Yes. I think it's one of the options that we're looking at is the tenor of future financings going shorter, if necessary, to manage our earnings and debt commitments around our ratings.

Okay. And then what was your ATM issuance in the fourth quarter so far this year? Has there been any?

So last year, we did $315 million -- about $315 million for the year. In the fourth quarter, we did a forward. So part of our ATM program when we established it was a forward mechanism. We did a forward of about $170 million that we would close by the end of 2018.

Was there any issuance in the last few months?

There was not. So 315 -- $314 million for the total year of 2017 and then we did a forward for $170 million for 2018.

Okay. And has there been any updates around the status of the IRP process, the stakeholder engagement in Indiana since the last earnings call? And you highlighted the meeting next month. But has a -- any color you could provide around sort of the more informal conversation?

Ryan, no update. We haven't actually -- Ryan, it's Joe. No update. We haven't actually initiated the process. The first stakeholder meeting is next month, so we'll set up the process there. Our intent is to go through a full look at diverse portfolio solution sets, including build-buy alternatives and work through that, including an RFP into the market and probably in the second quarter we'll do that. So I'd watch the first, second quarter updates for status updates on that. There's not a lot to say about it now, except that it's a very open, balanced picture that we want to create to guide that decision.

(Operator Instructions) I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back to Mr. Joe Hamrock, CEO, for any further remarks.

Thank you, Andrew, and again, thank you all for participating today, for your ongoing interest in and support of NiSource. Have a great day. We'll see you next quarter.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.