摩托羅拉 (MSI) 2008 Q3 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good morning and thank you for holding.

  • Welcome to Motorola's third-quarter 2008 earnings conference call.

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  • After the teleconference, the presentation material and additional financial tables will be posted on Motorola's Investor Relations website.

  • In addition, a replay of this call will be available approximately three hours after the conclusion of this call over the Internet through Motorola's Investor Relations website.

  • The website address is www.Motorola.com/investor.

  • (Operator Instructions).

  • I would now like to introduce Mr.

  • Dean Lindroth, Corporate Vice President of Investor Relations.

  • Mr.

  • Lindroth, you may begin your conference.

  • Dean Lindroth - Corporate VP, IR

  • Thank you and good morning.

  • Welcome to Motorola's third-quarter results conference call.

  • On our call today is Greg Brown, co-Chief Executive Officer of Motorola and CEO of Broadband Mobility Solutions; Sanjay Jha, co-Chief Executive Officer of Motorola and CEO of Mobile Devices, and Paul Liska, Motorola Chief Financial Officer.

  • Before we begin today, I do want to remind everyone again the details outlining our highlighted items, our GAAP to non-GAAP P&L reconciliations, and other financial information can be found on our website, and today slides and audio replay will be posted shortly after this call.

  • A number of forward-looking statements will be made during this presentation.

  • Forward-looking statements are any statements that are not historical facts.

  • These forward-looking statements are based on the current expectations of Motorola, and there can be no assurance that such expectations will prove to be correct.

  • Because forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, Motorola's actual results could differ materially from these statements.

  • Information about factors that could cause and in some cases have caused such differences can be found in this morning's press release on pages 18 through 27 in Item 1A of Motorola's 2007 annual report on Form 10-K and in Motorola's other SEC filings.

  • This presentation is being made on the 30th of October, 2008.

  • The content of this presentation contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of the time hereof.

  • If any portion of this presentation is rebroadcast, retransmitted or redistributed at a later date, Motorola will not be reviewing or updating the material that is contained herein.

  • I would now like to turn the call over to Greg.

  • Greg Brown - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Broadband Mobility Solutions

  • Thanks, Dean.

  • Good morning and thank you for joining us.

  • This morning we reported Motorola third-quarter sales of $7.5 billion.

  • On a GAAP basis, we had a net loss from continuing operations of $0.18 per share compared to earnings per share of $0.02 in the third quarter of last year.

  • From the press release and the related financial detail on our website, you can see that in the quarter we had a significant net pretax charge of $770 million or $0.23 per share in highlighted items.

  • This charge includes the impact of several decisions and plans that we will discuss during this call.

  • Excluding the $0.23 per share in highlighted items, earnings were $0.05 per share compared to our guidance of $0.00 to $0.02 per share.

  • During the quarter we executed on our cost reduction programs and generated $180 million in positive operating cash flow.

  • We finished the quarter with total cash of approximately $7.6 billion.

  • Our balance sheet and solid liquidity position give us the agility and flexibility in today's weakened global economy and turbulent financial markets.

  • We also benefit from a broad portfolio of products and solutions that meet important needs of a diversified and global customer base.

  • However, given the current environment, as well as the challenges in Mobile Devices, we're taking further proactive actions.

  • First, while we remain fully committed to the separation of the businesses and preparation activity continues, we are no longer targeting the third quarter of next year.

  • And Sanjay will discuss this later in the call.

  • Second, we will implement plans to further reduce costs.

  • These actions which are already underway will be global in nature and impact all of the businesses, our supply chain and corporate functions.

  • This initiative and other prior actions are expected to result in year-on-year cost savings of approximately $800 million in 2009.

  • Third, we will continue to prioritize investments for future growth by focusing on product innovation and product differentiation.

  • This includes video, mission-critical communications, Enterprise mobility, wireless broadband and enabling the mobile Internet.

  • At this point I want to turn the call over to Paul took cover the financial results, discussions on liquidity and cost reductions in more detail.

  • I will then come back to discuss Home and Networks Mobility and Enterprise Mobility Solutions, and then Sanjay will discuss Mobile Devices and the planned separation.

  • Paul Liska - CFO & VP

  • Thanks, Greg.

  • In the quarter total sales were $7.5 billion, down approximately 15% compared to the third quarter of last year.

  • The decline in sales was primarily attributable to lower sales in Mobile Devices, partially offset by higher sales in Enterprise Mobility Solutions.

  • On a GAAP basis, we reported net loss of $0.18 per share, which includes a net pretax charge of $770 million or $0.23 per share.

  • Of this amount $297 million will impact cash, while $473 million is a non-cash charge.

  • The net charge includes pretax charges of $370 million associated primarily with inventory write-downs related to software and silicon platform consolidation in Mobile Devices and $150 million associated with amending our supply agreement with free scale to eliminate all contractual purchase commitments.

  • Sanjay will discuss both of these in more detail later in the call.

  • In addition, there were pretax charges of $185 million associated with asset impairments, previously announced workforce reductions and our separation activity and $141 million for realized losses in the Sigma Fund related to three issuers.

  • These charges were partially offset by pretax credits related to -- I'm sorry, a $48 million gain on the sale of a facility, $28 million associated with interest expenses, and in addition, there was an income tax benefit of $21 million.

  • More detail on these items can be found on our website.

  • My remaining comments will exclude these highlighted items.

  • Earnings were $0.05 per share compared to $0.06 per share in the third quarter of last year.

  • Operating expenses in the quarter were lower by $277 million compared to last year.

  • For the first nine months, operating expenses have declined by $745 million compared to the same period last year.

  • Including our reduction efforts in cost of goods, we expect to exceed the $1 billion overall cost reduction target for 2008.

  • Our new cost savings actions announced today are related to reducing the cost structure in all of our businesses, supply chain and corporate functions.

  • Including the impact of prior actions, we expect aggregate cost reductions in 2009 of approximately $800 million compared to our 2008 cost structure.

  • The majority of these savings will impact operating expenses.

  • Approximately $600 million of these savings relate to Mobile Devices actions and $200 million relate to the other businesses' supply chain and corporate functions.

  • Charges associated with these actions will be taken in future quarters as allowed under the applicable accounting rules.

  • Total net cost included in other income expense were higher than the year ago quarter due to lower net interest income and higher currency-related losses.

  • The ongoing income tax rate remained at 34%.

  • Moving on now to cash flow and liquidity, our overall operating cash inflow was $180 million compared to $204 million cash inflow last quarter.

  • Our cash and liquidity position remains solid.

  • We ended the quarter with total cash of over $7.6 billion compared to $7.8 billion at the end of the second quarter.

  • To meet our working capital needs, our cash and investments are strategically positioned around the world.

  • We continually review repatriation and offshore funding requirements to ensure that we have the appropriate levels of liquidity within the geographies to execute our business plans.

  • To meet our needs in the US, Motorola has a long history of repatriating funds and a track record of minimizing related friction cost.

  • As part of our liquidity planning, we have identified over $2 billion of offshore funds that could be repatriated to the US.

  • We invest most of our US dollar denominated cash in an in-house fund called the Sigma Fund.

  • This fund is designed to perform similar to an institutional money market fund.

  • This strategy centralizes Motorola's investment activities and provide an efficient cash management and investment vehicle.

  • The Sigma Fund portfolio was managed by four independent investment management firms affiliated with major financial institutions.

  • The conservative investment guidelines Motorola provides to these investment managers stipulate among other things maturity parameters, concentration thresholds and investment quality.

  • These guidelines are modified from time to time to reflect market conditions.

  • As macroeconomic conditions have changed, we have instructed the investment managers to take an even more conservative posture.

  • As such, proceeds for maturing securities and new funds are being directed exclusively into treasury and government backed agency securities with durations of 30 days or less.

  • As a result, the largest change in the quarter was in government and agency securities, which increased by over $400 million to $1.1 billion.

  • Like others who have exposure to the fixed-income markets, we have experienced pricing pressures given the stress and disruption in the credit markets.

  • Charges in the third quarter included a realized loss of $141 million which affected earnings related to holdings in Lehman Brothers, Washington Mutual, and Sigma Finance Limited.

  • Subject to quarter-end, Sigma Finance Limited went into receivership which will result in an additional impairment in the fourth quarter of no more than $43 million.

  • Let me add that other than this one investment, Motorola's Sigma Fund is not in any way affiliated with Sigma Finance Limited.

  • We also recorded in the quarter an incremental temporary loss of $26 million which impacted the balance sheet for securities that have had a decline in value.

  • This brings the total temporary loss amount to $120 million.

  • We expect, however, that if held to maturity, we will realize the full value on these securities.

  • With regard to short-term refunding risk, we do not have any commercial paper outstanding and do not anticipate issuance in the near future.

  • As for debt maturities, we had $84 million of debt due in the fourth quarter, which has been paid, and no additional long-term debt maturities until November of 2010.

  • Moving now to our outlook, excluding items of the variety highlighted in our quarterly earnings releases, we expect fourth-quarter earnings to be in the range of $0.02 to $0.04 per share, resulting in full-year earnings of $0.05 to $0.07 per share.

  • With respect to total cash, we now expect to end the year with approximately $7.5 billion compared to $7.6 billion at the end of the third quarter.

  • With that, I will pass the call back to Greg to discuss Home and Networks Mobility and Enterprise Mobility Solutions.

  • Greg Brown - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Broadband Mobility Solutions

  • Thanks, Paul.

  • In Home and Networks Mobility, sales were nearly $2.4 billion, essentially flat compared to the third quarter of last year.

  • Excluding highlighted items, operating margin was 11.3%, up significantly from 6.9% in the third quarter of last year.

  • In Home sales were approximately $1.1 billion, up 19% year-over-year, and as anticipated sequentially lower due to accelerated purchases in the second quarter and normal seasonal weakness.

  • Overall sales of video solutions were up 25% compared to last year and included 4.1 million digital entertainment devices.

  • Sales of broadband gateway devices were higher than a year ago on shipments of 3.1 million devices, while sales of network access equipment were down slightly year on year.

  • Looking regionally compared to the third quarter of last year, home sales in North America grew 13% and accounted for approximately 79% of sales.

  • Sales outside North America also remained strong and were up 46%.

  • The operating margin for home improved from last year but was lower sequentially due to the lower sales volume.

  • In Networks sales in the quarter were approximately $1.2 billion, down from last year, primarily due to the divestiture of Embedded Communications Computing and lower iDEN and GSM sales.

  • Operating margin improved from the year ago quarter.

  • This reflects our ongoing efforts to appropriately size the cost structure supporting CDMA, GSM and iDEN technologies, while continuing to invest in both WiMAX and LTE.

  • We also benefited in the quarter from a very favorable product and region mix.

  • Looking to the fourth quarter for the Home and Networks Mobility segment, we expect slightly lower overall sales, while operating margin is expected to be higher compared to last year.

  • That said, in Home we expect sales to be higher sequentially with double-digit year-on-year growth, despite seeing some early signs of potentially slower in customer spending.

  • In Networks we expect lower fourth-quarter sales compared to a year ago and a less favorable mix than in the third quarter.

  • For the full year, we expect relatively flat total sales compared to 2007.

  • This includes high-teens sales growth in Home offset by a decline in Networks.

  • Despite the flat overall sales, however, we continue to expect operating margin improvement in both Home and as well as in Networks.

  • In Enterprise Mobility Solutions, sales were slightly over $2 billion, up approximately 4% compared to the third quarter of last year.

  • Sales in government and public safety were $1.5 billion for the quarter, an increase of nearly 9% compared to the year ago quarter.

  • In the Enterprise market sales were $525 million, down approximately 8% from the year ago quarter.

  • Excluding highlighted items, operating margin increased to 20.2% compared to 17.2% for the third quarter of last year.

  • This improvement reflects higher gross margin and a favorable product mix.

  • In North America sales for the segment declined 6% compared to the third quarter of last year.

  • Excluding the US Postal System sales from last year, sales were essentially flat year on year.

  • This reflects mid single digit growth in government and public safety in North America, including solid results from Vertex, offset by a double-digit decline in the Enterprise market.

  • The weakness in the Enterprise market was primarily in retail and transportation and logistics verticals.

  • While mobility and productivity remain a top priority, we have seen some customers extend deployment timelines and most recently delay orders to conserve cash.

  • Segment sales outside of North America which accounted for 44% of total sales were up approximately 20% over the third quarter of last year, driven by sales into the government and public safety market.

  • In EMEA sales grew by nearly 16% compared to the third quarter of last year and accounted for approximately 28% of sales.

  • We saw a deceleration in growth in this region compared to the first two quarters of the year, primarily due to lower spending in Enterprise markets.

  • In Asia-Pacific sales increased by 33% compared to the year ago quarter and accounted for 10% of total sales.

  • The growth was essentially all in the government and public safety markets.

  • In the quarter we announced a very important addition to our mission-critical portfolio, the APEX family of products and solutions.

  • This includes the industry's first two-way portable and mobile P25 multiband radio featuring multiagency interoperability, dual-sided portable operation and integrated GPS aimed at mission-critical first responders.

  • APEX infrastructure equipment will be shipping this quarter.

  • After the end of the quarter, we completed the acquisition of AirDefense, a leading provider of premium software security applications for wireless LAN networks, and earlier this month we announced that we entered into an agreement to sell our Biometrics business to SAFRAN in an all-cash transaction.

  • As for the fourth quarter in the Enterprise Mobility Solutions segment, we expect higher sales compared to last year with comparable operating margin.

  • This reflects year-on-year's sales growth in government and public safety.

  • In the Enterprise market we expect sales to be sequentially higher but lower year on year.

  • For the full year, we expect mid single digit sales growth, driven by government and public safety.

  • We also expect operating margin to be up slightly from 2007, reflecting improvement in government and public safety and in Enterprise.

  • And now I will pass the call over to Sanjay to discuss Mobile Devices.

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • Thanks, Greg.

  • I have been at Motorola for about 90 days now, and it has been a very productive start.

  • I have been reviewing our operations, the product portfolio, platforms and the cost structure.

  • I have also met with many of our employees, customers and suppliers.

  • I will begin today by reviewing the third-quarter results and our outlook for the fourth quarter.

  • Then I will discuss several decisions and plans we have put in place to reposition the business.

  • I will also give an update on the business separation.

  • In Mobile Devices sales for the third quarter were approximately $3.1 billion.

  • Unit shipments were $25.4 million, and our estimated market share was 8.4%.

  • Our regional mix was largely similar to past quarters with North America accounting for 50% of total sales and Latin America 23% of sales.

  • Asia-Pacific and EMEA made up the remaining 19% and 8% respectively.

  • Overall ASP was $123, up from the second quarter, due primarily to mix.

  • Stock in channel at the end of the quarter was down sequentially.

  • Excluding the impact of $545 million of highlighted items, the operating loss in the quarter was $295 million compared to $340 million operating loss last quarter.

  • The sequential improvement was due primarily to lower operating expenses.

  • We have now reduced operating expenses by $474 million through the first nine months of the year compared to the same period last year.

  • We now expect to exceed our $600 million cost reduction target for this year.

  • With regards to our top sellers in the quarter, we shipped over 11 million W series devices, over 3 million RAZRs, over 1 million ROKR series and over 1 million RAZR2s.

  • We began shipping 16 new products in the quarter.

  • These included three 3G devices and three additions to the ROKR family.

  • We also made several additions to our low-end midtier product lines.

  • In the last few weeks, we have announced nine additional products, including the KRAVE ZN4 touch-screen smartphone for Verizon.

  • Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we expect lower than normal seasonal growth in the handset market.

  • Growth is primarily being driven by smartphones and the very low tier, two product categories where our portfolio is more limited today.

  • Consequently in mobile devices, we anticipate sales and units to be down compared to the third quarter.

  • Due to the lower volume, the operating loss is expected to increase sequentially.

  • I want to now shift and discuss our challenges and actions that we have recently taken.

  • We have had inconsistent product planning and too much complexity in our product platforms and system architecture.

  • Let me give you an example.

  • Today we have over 20 combinations of software, silicon and UI platforms.

  • Our competitors have far fewer.

  • This has resulted in high cost and portfolio gaps in critical market segments, especially 3G, including smartphones, and in the very low tier.

  • To address these issues, we have put aggressive plans in place to rebuild and reposition the business.

  • First, we concluded a final settlement agreement with Freescale.

  • This agreement ended our contractual purchase obligations.

  • The agreements we reached last January allowed us increased flexibility in our multisourced silicon strategy by eliminating Next Generation design awards.

  • This final settlement resulted in $150 million charge, which will be paid over the course of next year.

  • Going forward for 2009 and 2010, we will focus on TI and QUALCOMM as our preferred UMTS chipset suppliers.

  • Freescale and TI continue as our GSM and EDGE chipset suppliers, and QUALCOMM continues as our CDMA chipset supplier.

  • Second, we are no longer planning to develop certain operating systems within mobile devices.

  • Specifically in UMTS we will focus on three software platforms -- Android, Windows Mobile and P2K.

  • We will also continue to leverage ODM solutions for low and very low tier.

  • As a result, after completion of some already committed devices, we will no longer offer new devices on Symbian/UIQ or our internally developed Linux Java platform.

  • This plan resulted in $370 million of charge in the quarter and was primarily related to inventory write-down.

  • With the consolidation of platforms, we intend to reduce future investments in operating system development and focus our resources on product development and in innovation.

  • We will utilize Android and Windows Mobile broadly in the mid and high tier markets.

  • They will enable us to provide differentiated devices and experiences, including smartphones, messaging and mobile Internet devices for consumer and Enterprise customers.

  • Our plans include a variety of additional Windows Mobile devices.

  • Our first Android smartphone is targeted to be in market for the holiday season in 2009.

  • Third, we will have an increased focus on certain key markets.

  • These include North America, Latin America and certain markets in Asia.

  • In other geographies we will prioritize and make investments commensurate with the competitiveness of our portfolio.

  • These decisions and plans will result in platform consolidation and refocused product and market priorities.

  • Our costs structures will also be significantly lower, and we expect these and prior actions to yield $600 million in savings in 2009.

  • Let me close by saying that, although I have been here for only a short time, I understand the challenges and the changes that we need to make to address them.

  • We have a strong global brand, great IP and great engineering talent and an organization determined to succeed.

  • Customers that I have spoken with, many of whom I have known for a long period of time, want us to win.

  • But the reality is there is no quickfix here.

  • We have made decisions and developed plans on chipsets, operating systems and investment priorities.

  • They will reduce the number of products we launch in the first half of 2009 compared to what we had previously planned.

  • Consequently the first half of next year will be challenging.

  • With that said, these plans are taking us on a new course to rebuild this business.

  • As we start to deliver more differentiated cost-effective devices, we will be in a much better position for sustained financial improvements.

  • Finally, while we remain committed to a separation of the businesses, we are no longer targeting the third quarter of 2009.

  • This is due primarily to weakness in the global economy, including slowing demand anticipated for the handset industry, stresses in the financial markets and changes underway in Mobile Devices business.

  • We have made good progress on our preparations for the separation and will continue to prepare for a separation at the time that is appropriate for the Company and its shareholders.

  • When we have better visibility and a likely timeframe, we will update you accordingly.

  • Now I will turn the call back over to Dean to start the questions and answers.

  • Dean Lindroth - Corporate VP, IR

  • Thanks, Sanjay.

  • Before we begin taking questions, we would like to remind callers to limit themselves to one question so that we can accommodate as many participants as possible.

  • Operator, you can now provide our callers with instructions on how to ask a question.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions).

  • Ittai Kidron, Oppenheimer.

  • Ittai Kidron - Analyst

  • Actually the question is for you, Sanjay.

  • Thanks for the color on the plan.

  • Can you get a little bit more specific?

  • It sounds like you are significantly retrenching the business on a geographic basis.

  • Does that mean that next year, regardless of a macro condition, you still expect a huge shrinkage in your volume, as well as you get out of Europe which we have not mentioned and some regions in Asia, which on a combined basis are around a quarter of your business?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • We are not getting out of any region in particular.

  • What we're doing is focusing our resources where we think we have the best product portfolio and we have the best brand recognition for Motorola.

  • We will continue to participate in Europe and in other markets that I had not mentioned specifically.

  • But our focus will be North America, Latin America and parts of Asia.

  • In terms of volume reduction, I will not provide you any guidance, but certainly as we look at which areas we address, there will be changes in our volume.

  • We will not address every single geography equally going forward.

  • Ittai Kidron - Analyst

  • And with regards to then your gross margins as you make that geographic (inaudible) focus in your business longer-term is because of that, your gross margins potential is lower than otherwise?

  • I mean the US is known to be a lower gross margin region.

  • Does that cap your capability to improve gross margins going forward?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • As you know, with the plans that we have, we're making changes in the business.

  • In the short-term, we think that in the first half next year, our ability to address the smartphone segment is more limited.

  • And, as you know, some carriers in the United States are saying that as much as 30% of their shipment is going to be in smartphones.

  • So I do believe that in the short-term there are some implications in terms of the gross margin pools we address.

  • But our changes here are significant changes and position us to deliver compelling products addressing the large margin pools in wireless in the medium to long-term.

  • So I'm confident that we will do that in medium to long-term, but in the short-term, we have made a decision to retrench our product portfolio.

  • Operator

  • Jim Suva, Citi.

  • Jim Suva - Analyst

  • Very impressive results on the Home and Networking and Enterprise.

  • But focusing on the biggest issue at hand on the handset, can you give us a little bit of roadmap or colors?

  • Exactly what type of production volumes or cutting in production footprint will it take to breakeven?

  • It seems like if you are retrenching that we should even expect bigger losses ahead, but maybe I am missing something there on the costing.

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • Our expectation for 2009 is that we will improve our losses over the losses that we're projecting to make in 2008.

  • So I think that directionally I could guide you to an improvement in our losses in 2008.

  • I will not guide you today on when we will breakeven, but we do believe that some of the steps we're taking here will position us to address large gross margin pools and will be more aligned with where we think wireless handsets market is headed.

  • Jim Suva - Analyst

  • Great.

  • So even with retrenching or pulling back in '09 on units to reposition yourself, you still think profitability should improve if I understand correctly?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • That is right, and that is one of the reasons why we have taken aggressive action to reduce our cost structure.

  • Jim Suva - Analyst

  • Great.

  • That is good to hear.

  • Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Richard Windsor, Nomura.

  • Richard Windsor - Analyst

  • A question on your Android platform.

  • Now looking at Android, it seems to me that only very high-end hardware can support it at the moment.

  • So what is really the outlook here for you to address anything like the mass market in the consumer side, and aren't you really going to be addressing really only the very, very low-end with ODM and the very high-end with smartphones with this huge opportunity in the mass market being completely missed?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • Richard, in 2009 what you say is accurate.

  • In 2009 with the work that we're doing and with the work that is being done by other partners, including Google, I think that we will expand our footprint from just high tier to high-end medium tier, and we certainly plan a large number of devices addressing a number of price points in the wireless handsets market using Android, as well, by the way, as using Windows Mobile.

  • I think that you would see both Windows Mobile and Android work.

  • Both platforms address much larger market share than they have, one, addressed in the past and will address in 2009.

  • In 2010 I think that they will both address much larger tier.

  • Operator

  • Mark Sue, RBC Capital Markets.

  • Mark Sue - Analyst

  • Sanjay and maybe, Greg, if you want to chime in, is there a floor in terms of market share that Motorola is comfortable with?

  • Do you feel the fourth quarter may be the bottom in terms of units?

  • And likewise, when do we get the full launch of smartphones and entry-level phones to stabilize unit market share?

  • Should we just add two quarters to everything since the spend is also two quarters later than planned?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • This is Sanjay.

  • Greg will chime in on the spend question here.

  • I don't think that we have guided to two quarters specifically.

  • My view is that we will start launching smartphones on Windows Mobile Platform 6.5 in the second half next year and for Christmas season based on Android platform, and in '10 we will deliver a much richer portfolio based on both of these two platforms.

  • And I'm not going to guide you to a market share today, but the financial results is what I'm focused on rather than market share.

  • Mark Sue - Analyst

  • With that being said, should we kind of assume with your comments on retrenching that the first half of 2009 we might still see a little slide in share?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • Let me hold from giving you to advance the guidance here because the visibility is not that good right now.

  • But I would say that given the choices that we have made in terms of canceling some of the Symbian/UIQ product launches moving forward, I think that it is certainly true that we would be launching fewer new products, and that will have consequential effect in our volumes.

  • Greg Brown - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Broadband Mobility Solutions

  • And just to add to that, I think that we're both very, very focused on cash.

  • Cash is king and continued earnings generation.

  • Clearly we need to stay focused on Home and Networks and Enterprise Mobility Solutions, and the arrangement with both Sanjay and I afford us the ability to do that.

  • I think what you have heard Sanjay said is, as he is pushing forward hard on decisions to simplify and consolidate Mobile Devices, the first half of '09 will be challenging, but for the full year '09 over '08, profitability improves.

  • In regards to the separation, the environment just is not conducive to pursue it at this point in time between the global economy and the stressed financial markets.

  • But we remained committed to that, and in kind, we will take cost out of this business.

  • As a full organization worldwide, we will continue to take cost out of both mobile devices, as well as the other businesses, supply chain and corporate, and we will have a privatization around cash and earnings to give us the kind of balance sheet flexibility that will be necessary for future decisions.

  • Operator

  • Brian Modoff, Deutsche Bank.

  • Brian Modoff - Analyst

  • A question for Sanjay.

  • In terms of your regional mix in Asia, you talk about certain areas of Asia.

  • Would that include India and China?

  • And then in terms of the midrange lineup of phones next year, if you're looking at what you intended versus what you're planning now, can you give us an idea of what kind of cuts we could see percentagewise in that lineup versus what you had originally planned?

  • And how many 3G phones are you expecting to actually have out in the market in the first half of next year?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • Brian, China will be a particular focus of ours in moving forward because we see two things in China which is attractive to us.

  • One is that it has pretty good growth as China Telecom launches CDMA, as China Unicom launches UMTS.

  • And China Mobile then proceeds I guess with the EDGE solution and CDMA and EDGE Dual-Mode solution.

  • But we see growth there.

  • But we additionally see both TAM and actually gross margin full growth there.

  • In India we see pretty good TAM growth, but the gross margin growth in India is a little more challenged.

  • We will play in both of those two areas, but we will clearly target the larger gross margin pool first.

  • The second part of your question was in the midrange of phones in 2009 could I provide a little more color.

  • Clearly with the decision to cancel some products on Symbian/UIQ, which we are squarely targeted to the mid to mid-high tier of the marketplace, I think that that will reduce the number of phones that will launch at least in the first two or three quarters of next year.

  • But I think thereafter, as I mentioned in response to Richard's question, we expect that using Android and Windows Mobile, we will be able to address a larger portion of the mid and mid to high tier market.

  • I think that I addressed your question.

  • 3G, we launched three phones in the third quarter and expect to do many more devices in the second-half 2009, again based on QUALCOMM solution.

  • Operator

  • Jeff Kvaal, Barclays Capital.

  • Jeff Kvaal - Analyst

  • Greg, I was wondering if we could turn to the macroenvironment and its impact on the broadband mobility businesses.

  • In particular, could you help us understand a little bit about the trends within the former Symbol business, what the pressures might be on government spending and where are we with broadband and cable?

  • Thank you.

  • Greg Brown - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Broadband Mobility Solutions

  • So in government and public safety, they had a remarkably strong quarter overall in Q3.

  • The guidance we gave for Q4 looking forward on government and public safety is year-over-year growth on the full year.

  • We are conscious of the facts of looking forward, and we will keep an eye on the many states that have prospective budget deficits approaching us in 2009.

  • And, as we've finalized the planning for '09 as it relates to public safety, we have to factor that in accordingly.

  • It is a pretty resilient business, and more of the public safety business is coming internationally as a percentage, which is helpful from a diversification standpoint.

  • On the former Symbol business, they have had very good performance this year, particularly on the bottom line.

  • We have seen a slowing in Q3, in particular where they had negative growth, and for the full year, as I mentioned, we're actually expecting the former Symbol business to be slightly down in topline but still generating strong cash and positive operating margin expansion.

  • We have seen the verticals in logistics and transportation and utilities slow around that.

  • We're not losing business.

  • It is just being deferred.

  • So we will watch that in-kind as well.

  • On the network side in Q3, we had a particularly strong favorable mix that I would not look to be repeated on the network side going forward.

  • We had strong CDMA performance and particularly in KDDI in Japan, and we had a very favorable mix with more economic and margin contribution from software versus hardware.

  • So that I think was very, very solid and allowed networks to be particularly strong in Q3.

  • I would expect that to normalize downward going forward.

  • On Home, homes continue to grow great.

  • I mean 19% in Q3.

  • I think it was 22% in Q2.

  • But we're watchful of overall slowing around spending or CapEx in that area by either the carriers or cable MSOs.

  • We still would probably look at revenue growth in Q4 in Home of 10% to 13% or 10% to 15% broadly in that range, and the overall demand for HD and HD DDR remained strong.

  • It is kind of a composite outlook.

  • Jeff Kvaal - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Thanks very much.

  • And then I guess the next question becomes currency.

  • A lot of the growth that you have talked about is international.

  • Should we worry about the currency impacts?

  • And honestly I'm not quite sure how you price over there.

  • Is that in local currency in all these businesses?

  • Paul Liska - CFO & VP

  • Yes, I think we have said before that primarily our sales mix at the Company level is about 50-50 US to non-US.

  • But outside of the US, we still do a lot of business in US dollars, foreign currencies that have not had much volatility or are pegged to the dollar.

  • We also have our operating costs are denominated -- in foreign countries are denominated in that currency, and so there is kind of a natural hedge.

  • So typically we don't have the currency issues.

  • There is some pressure at the topline on currency, but not like you would see for a lot of other global corporations.

  • Operator

  • Tal Liani, Merrill Lynch.

  • Vevay Carriion - Analyst

  • It is [Vevay Carriion] on Tal's behalf.

  • Sanjay, a clarification and a question.

  • On the clarification, can you please give us some sense of how much handset volumes can decline in the first to '09?

  • Are we looking at 5%, 10%, 20% year on year?

  • Any color would be very helpful to calibrate expectations.

  • And on the question, if you look at some of these leading smartphone players, Apple and RIM, they control their operating system.

  • So how do you take market share from them by using Android and Windows Mobile when it is already being used by several other handset vendors?

  • Or do you think ownership of operating systems is not that important?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • Yes, I would take your second question first, if you don't mind.

  • We have, as you know, invested for a long period of time in our Linux Java platforms, and actually what I think we have demonstrated is that of commercializing proprietary operating systems and creating an equal system around it.

  • Because remember, it is not just the operating system, but you need to get a large number of third-party application developers to port their applications to your platform and create services around it.

  • I think we have demonstrated that that is quite a difficult thing to do.

  • And we see large ecosystems around -- and especially centered around mobile Internet, around Android and Windows Mobile.

  • That I think is going to be more important as we go forward.

  • As messaging changes from a textual messaging environment to a more graphical environment where you can open up all of the attachments and view them, I think that being able to have ecosystems which are more connected with IT and the mobile Internet is going to be more important for us.

  • But to your point, we will work very hard -- in fact, ourselves and Android folks have been -- California out there we work very closely to ensure that we deliver differentiated products.

  • Similarly with Windows Mobile, we're planning to open an office in Seattle and work very closely with Microsoft to deliver differentiation.

  • I think it is possible to deliver differentiation without owning the platform, and there are a number -- we have invested in Linux for a large number of years, and we have a large number of applications which we can bring to bear into the Android platform already.

  • So I think that your point is well taken.

  • I think that the judgment we made here was that we could differentiate using these platforms while leveraging the ecosystem that they bring to bear.

  • With respect to the first part of your question about volume expectations in the first half, allow me not to provide you quantitative guidance but provide you some color.

  • Again, if you look at the places where volumes are growing, they are low tier, they are smartphones, and it is 3G.

  • And in the first half, unfortunately we will not be able to address all of these three tiers as well as we would have wanted to address them.

  • So we certainly see some impact in our volume as a result of that.

  • But, as I say, with the decisions we have made, with the chipset choices that we have made, I think we will be well-positioned to play in these markets and succeed.

  • Vevay Carriion - Analyst

  • Any update on the chipset negotiations?

  • There has been some flux in your chipset suppliers.

  • Any update that you could provide on that would be appreciated?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • On the chipset suppliers, clearly on GSM and EDGE, we have Freescale and TI continue as our chipset suppliers for UMTS, QUALCOMM for the low-end, the single-chip solution that they are introducing, and also 6245 and 46 platform would be very appropriate for our needs.

  • We quite like TI's OMAP solution in a combination of TI's OMAP solution, the cost performance of the platform appeals to us.

  • So those negotiations are completed, and we have for 2009 and 2010 made a decision to use QUALCOMM and TI.

  • Clearly we will start evaluating towards the end of 2009, middle of 2010 for Next Generation decision.

  • And, of course, at that time everybody, including Freescale and STMicro and Infineon, will have an open shot at winning our slots.

  • But for the short-term, we have locked and loaded QUALCOMM and TI bids for us and UMTS.

  • Operator

  • Maynard Um, UBS.

  • Maynard Um - Analyst

  • Sanjay, with lower volumes and presumably an increase in ODMing, can you just talk about your manufacturing facilities, which are a fixed cog for you?

  • You announced the Singapore plant closing I think last year or earlier this year.

  • But with unit volumes decreasing, can you talk about how to improve the utilization there to improve your gross margins?

  • And if I could also ask about TI's plan to sell their chip business, how that impacts you and the way you think about the mix between QUALCOMM and TI?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • I would say we have two -- actually multiple manufacturing facility but three main ones.

  • We have Tianjin, Hangzhou, and the Brazilian manufacturing facility.

  • You would see us consolidate two manufacturing facilities.

  • One in China where we see Asia-Pacific where we see large growth in that factory will support the growth in Asia-Pacific.

  • And the facility in Brazil will support the growth that we see in Latin America and North America.

  • So we will consolidate our manufacturing as we go forward.

  • Remember though, the volume decreases that I'm guiding to today is really for '09.

  • We certainly plan as we address the very low tier, which is an important part of our plan going forward, we expect that the volumes will recover.

  • But really '09 is where I'm guiding the volume to today.

  • So your point is taken, and we are consolidating our manufacturing.

  • Greg Brown - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Broadband Mobility Solutions

  • Just, excuse me.

  • Just to add on the supply chain as well, since some of these key manufacturing facilities are shared between Mobile Devices and other businesses, we're looking to load balance and appropriately get utilization within the footprint we have.

  • So we have gone from 24 or 25 manufacturing facilities as a footprint four years ago down to 11 or 12 now.

  • Much of that heavy lifting has been done.

  • Now it is about tweaking the actual utilization and capital deployment and load within the footprint, as well as balancing between the businesses within Motorola to get the best utilization and return on capital.

  • Then he had a question on QUALCOMM TI.

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • In terms of mix between QUALCOMM and TI, as I say, I think we will focus on QUALCOMM low-end solutions.

  • I think QUALCOMM modems are some of the best.

  • As some of you know, I was hosting that.

  • And then from TI, I think that again we're very impressed with cost performance straight up that we get from the OMAP platform.

  • And I think that we get the best of both worlds as we use both of these platforms.

  • These two, of course, happen to be also the world's two largest wireless chipset providers.

  • Maynard Um - Analyst

  • Just if I could, on the low tier, should I assume than that you will not be ODMing as much, and you will be doing a lot more in-house manufacturing?

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • I think we will be ODMing in the 2G low tier, and 3G I think that we will focus a little more internally.

  • So, as 3G gets commoditized in the low tier, we will start to ODM there also.

  • Operator

  • Tim Long, Banc of America Securities.

  • Tim Long - Analyst

  • A two-parter for you, Sanjay.

  • First, could you talk a little bit about it sounds like an increased emphasis on smartphones and 3G.

  • How are you finding it getting talent?

  • I know you are obviously taking cost out of the business, but I'm assuming you need some new personnel to help with some of those measures.

  • So could you talk about that?

  • Then secondly, I'm just curious about your views on time to market.

  • If just take the Googlephone, the Android phone as an example still a year from now, so obviously a long time to get that developed.

  • Is the mindset that once we get these new platforms approaches in the second half of the year for 3G and smartphones and the different operating systems, that at that point you are more in line with the better companies in the industry at spinning new products?

  • Or do you think there will be a change in time to market for Motorola once these decisions have been made?

  • Thank you.

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • I think you're right.

  • I think one of the things that we need to do better at Motorola is actually execution on our software strategy.

  • As you know, at Motorola we have had a number of software strategies, but in my view, there have been nothing wrong with the software strategies.

  • The execution on those strategies has been poor.

  • So I think going forward the talent that we're looking for is really in software execution.

  • We have a great software team both around the world in China and Libertyville, in San Diego in the Bay Area.

  • And what we have been able to do is actually get a lot of folks from what was the good technology group with experience in end-to-end service and application delivery to work on a number of new and differentiated products.

  • A lot of that is getting done in California.

  • As I say, we will open a software office in Seattle as well to drive forward-looking developments with Windows Mobile.

  • So I think we're very much focused on what I believe is going to be an important part in our execution going forward to software.

  • In terms of time to market, yes, I do believe that once we get these platforms solidified and we start executing delivering products, I think that we will have a much better and much better oiled machine in delivering products and that we will be competitive with other folks in the industry.

  • Operator

  • Richard Kramer, Arete Research.

  • Richard Kramer - Analyst

  • Maybe a question for Paul and one for Greg.

  • Paul, can you help us understand the nearly 5% sequential change in gross margins?

  • I think this is a level that we have never really seen in Motorola before.

  • Can you try to help us maybe understand a little bit better from a divisional perspective where gross margins declined?

  • And also for Greg, can you talk about the Home and Networks business and Enterprise Mobility businesses and whether there is any potential to participate in some form of industry consolidation which seems to be taking place either de facto or explicitly in some of the end markets and in customers that those markets serve?

  • Greg Brown - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Broadband Mobility Solutions

  • I will do Home and Networks and Enterprise Mobility first.

  • I mean in terms of industry consolidation, let's take the Home segment.

  • That team has made six acquisitions over the last three years around a whole host of different things around MPEG and compression efficiency, content management, Dahua Digital to get a lower, more competitive set-top box in particularly in China and some of the other emerging markets so that we can have -- while the ASP price point on set-top boxes would be lower in those geographies, we could still participate in the margin pool.

  • So when I think of consolidation, Dan Maloney's team has been doing that with I would call it surgical tuck-ins to strengthen the end-to-end video value proposition and move it away from -- it's not a commodity set-top box business.

  • It is a sophisticated provisioning of video between head-in and through and into the home for the video experience.

  • I think we have been participating in that.

  • On the Network side, as you know, we have got a 2G position primarily in CDMA and GSM and iDEN, which obviously we are the only provider of.

  • In 3G we made the strategic choice a couple of years ago to go to partner with Huawei.

  • It made more sense.

  • I would not necessarily call that industry consolidation, but I would call it strategic partnership where the returns are superior to trying to do organic development of UMTS infrastructure ourselves where, quite frankly, we were not good at it and had largely missed the market on the infrastructure side.

  • I don't know on the network side.

  • I mean the business is continuing to run actually quite well.

  • I think we're very realistic about the market in CDMA and GSM and iDEN.

  • We know that iDEN has gone down year-over-year for a few years.

  • We have planned for it accordingly, and we will plan for it looking forward in 2009.

  • And that said, we are participating in WiMAX and LTE.

  • So I don't really know if the opportunities would be present in this environment to do that.

  • That said, I would always look at and we would always look at ways to maximize shareholder value in the infrastructure area.

  • While it is a tough business, the team has done a really good job.

  • In Enterprise the Symbol acquisition has gone well.

  • It has met or exceeded our expectations for the last two years on integration, on talent retention, on the cost efficiencies we have targeted to get out of there, on the utilization of channels and recently did the acquisition around AirDefense, which really strengthens our wireless LAN position, and depending upon the measure in wireless LAN, we are either number two or three.

  • We go back and forth with Aruba.

  • But again, the overall environment from an environment standpoint and a financial market standpoint would not necessarily lead us to be looking for any major acquisitions at this time.

  • I think you do the best with what you have, and we have a great assembly of assets, and we're going to measure it and manage it for cash and earnings on the other.

  • Paul Liska - CFO & VP

  • Yes.

  • With regard to gross margin, excluding the highlighted items, it is really just somewhat of a slight mix issue.

  • And I think it is important you understand that again gross margin on Mobile Devices has declined, but then all the other businesses have either increase or are relatively flat to the prior year.

  • Richard Kramer - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Dean Lindroth - Corporate VP, IR

  • Go ahead.

  • Richard Kramer - Analyst

  • Sorry, Greg?

  • Greg Brown - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Broadband Mobility Solutions

  • Yes.

  • Richard Kramer - Analyst

  • Could you comment not so much about whether Motorola would be acquiring things, but whether you would look out in areas which might be moving into decline like Networks, which faced a large R&D bill for LTE whether you would consider spinning that business out or seeing it as part of a wider consolidation in a limited number of pools of R&D resource?

  • Greg Brown - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Broadband Mobility Solutions

  • So I think it is a great question.

  • At the moment we're very pleased with where we are in WiMAX.

  • We're also actually pretty pleased with where we are in LTE.

  • And we're working with a couple of major carriers that I think will be leading anchor tenant customers around 4G or LTE.

  • We have been doing a lot of work for several years on the infrastructure side and feel very good about our position.

  • That said, we're very pragmatic and will be looking forward.

  • If there are strategic partnerships for other things that can facilitate or enable our performance to be strengthened, we will consider it.

  • Dean Lindroth - Corporate VP, IR

  • Operator, we will take our last question.

  • Operator

  • Ehud Gelblum, JPMorgan.

  • Ehud Gelblum - Analyst

  • Just a couple of quick ones.

  • Sanjay and Greg, as you look to new timing for the split, what are you looking for to see aside from the environment being a little better?

  • Are you looking for the operating margin in Mobile Devices to hit breakeven or get some sort of share level or volume level?

  • What are the overriding parameters you are looking at?

  • And then Sanjay, as you solidify around Windows Mobile and Android, several phones in the past actually Motorola came out with actually do use Windows Mobile like the Q and still were not terribly much of a success, and some of the criticism of prior phones has been the usability, the user interface, just some overall system design, the buttons and shortcuts and everything, the way that the phones are put together.

  • That goes above and beyond just the operating system that they use and may speak to some of the design criteria that Motorola has used in the past.

  • How much of that has surprised you as you came in, and what can you do in addition to just solidifying around the operating systems in these other areas that actually differentiate the phone?

  • And how can you change the culture at Motorola and the design culture to move into types of phones and models that are more competitive?

  • Greg Brown - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Broadband Mobility Solutions

  • Just on the separation first, obviously the environment, both the macroeconomic and the financial markets, are the premier thing we have to continue to keep an eye on.

  • Given the uncertainty, any kind of planning in this separation remains very, very difficult.

  • The second thing around the separation is we collectively decided as we would have started to expend reasonable amounts of cash to target an '09 separation, you would not want to spend that cash in this environment given the unpredictability, so we're preserving cash and obviously maximizing earnings along the way, but still structurally planning for the separation.

  • I think that outside of the economic environment, it is the environment and the progress made in Mobile Devices.

  • It is the stability, consolidation and simplification of platforms that Sanjay has described.

  • It is a significant improvement in bottom-line profitability and a better cash generation progress, in particular within Mobile Devices, and an overall stability in tracking to return to topline growth and significant profitability improvement before we would consider it at this point in time.

  • Sanjay Jha - co-CEO, Motorola & CEO, Mobile Devices

  • To your question about how will we deliver better experiences with our products?

  • Well, first of all, let me acknowledge that I think we have been a little too focused on what I call bright, shiny objects and not enough focused on the user experience.

  • I actually believe that the design culture at Motorola is very, very good.

  • The design team here does a wonderful job.

  • It just does it in a more limited sphere.

  • As we go forward, the complete user experience, the services, the user interface, all of those things become more important.

  • I think, as we look at our two platforms, Android and Windows Mobile, it is true that Windows Mobile pre-6 and even at 6 has not delivered the experience that I think Apple has been able to deliver.

  • But, as you look at the plans that Windows Mobile 7 makes and even, in fact, 6.5, I think there is significantly new added features which will help in the platform.

  • So the platforms that we have chosen are evolving toward being capable of delivering better performance and better experience.

  • And, as I was saying in response to an earlier question, we have now targeted new teams, which are focused, one in California and one in Seattle, and, of course, leveraging the assets that we have in China and Libertyville and elsewhere to deliver experiences.

  • That is where we have to differentiate.

  • That is the bottom-line.

  • That is what some of our competitors have done much better than we have.

  • So we recognize that, and whether we succeed or not, time will tell.

  • But we recognize that, and we are focused on it.

  • Dean Lindroth - Corporate VP, IR

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