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Good day and welcome ladies and gentlemen to the Moody's Corporation fourth-quarter and fiscal yearend 2013 earnings conference call.

At this time I would like to inform you that this conference is being recorded and that all participants are in a listen-only mode.

(Operator Instructions).

I will now turn the call over to Salli Schwartz, Global Head of Investor Relations.

Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Good morning everyone and thanks for joining us on this teleconference to discuss Moody's results for the fourth-quarter and full-year 2013 as well as our outlook for full-year 2014.

I am Salli Schwartz, Global Head of Investor Relations.

Moody's released its results for the fourth-quarter and full-year 2013 as well as our outlook for full-year 2014 this morning.

The earnings press release and a presentation to accompany this teleconference are both available on our website at ir.moodys.com.

Ray McDaniel, President and Chief Executive Officer of Moody's Corporation, will lead this morning's conference call.

Also making prepared remarks on the call this morning is Linda Huber, Chief Financial Officer of Moody's Corporation.

Before we begin I call your attention to the Safe Harbor language which can be found toward the end of our earnings release.

Today's remarks may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

In accordance with the Act I also direct your attention to the Management's Discussion and Analysis section and the risk factors discussed in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2012, and in other SEC filings made by the Company which are available on our website and on the Securities and Exchange Commission's website.

These, together with the Safe Harbor statement, set forth important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such forward-looking statements.

I would also like to point out that members of the media may be on the call this morning in a listen-only mode.

I will now turn the call over to Ray McDaniel.

Thank you, Salli.

Good morning and thank you to everyone for joining today's call.

I will begin by summarizing Moody's fourth-quarter and full-year 2013 results.

Linda will follow with additional financial detail and operating highlights.

I will conclude with comments on our outlook for 2014 and after our prepared remarks we will respond to your questions.

Moody's delivered strong financial performance throughout 2013 including revenue growth in all lines of business, margin expansion and EPS growth of 18%.

Fourth-quarter revenue of $779 million increased 3% over the fourth quarter of 2012 and reflected growth in Moody's Investors Service despite challenging year-on-year comparisons as well as continued strong growth from all lines of business of Moody's Analytics.

Operating expenses for the fourth quarter were $467 million, a 5% decline from the fourth quarter of 2012.

Operating income for the fourth quarter was $312 million, a 20% increase from the prior-year period.

Adjusted operating income, which excludes depreciation and amortization as well as a goodwill impairment charge in the fourth quarter of 2012, was $335 million, up 13% from the same period last year.

Diluted earnings per share of $0.94 for the fourth quarter increased 34% from the prior-year period.

Excluding a legacy tax benefit of $0.09, non-GAAP diluted earnings per share for the fourth quarter of 2013 was $0.85, a 21% increase from the fourth quarter of 2012.

For full-year 2013 Moody's revenue of $3 billion increased 9% from full-year 2012.

Revenue at Moody's Investors Service was $2.1 billion for 2013, an increase of 9% from last year.

Moody's Analytics revenue of $913 million was also 9% higher than the prior year.

Operating expenses for full-year 2013 were $1.7 billion, up 5% from 2012.

Operating income of $1.2 billion increase 15% from 2012.

Full-year 2013 adjusted operating income of $1.3 billion increased 12% from the prior year.

Reported diluted earnings per share of $3.60 for the full-year 2013 grew 18% from $3.05 in 2012.

Excluding a litigation settlement charge of $0.14 in the first quarter 2013 and a legacy tax benefit of the $0.09 in the fourth quarter 2013 as well as a legacy tax benefit of $0.06 in the third quarter of 2012 non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $3.65 for the full-year 2013 grew 22% from $2.99 in 2012.

I will now turn the call over to Linda to provide additional commentary on our financial results and other updates.

Thanks, Ray.

I will begin with revenue at the Company level.

As Ray mentioned Moody's total revenue for the fourth quarter increased 3% to $779 million.

The impact of foreign currency translation for the quarter was negligible.

Fourth-quarter US revenue of $417 million and non-US revenue of $362 million both increased 3% from the fourth quarter of 2012.

Non-US revenue represented 46% of Moody's total revenue compared to 47% in the year-ago period.

Recurring revenue of $390 million represented 50% of total revenue up from 46% in the prior-year period.

Looking now at each of our segments, starting with Moody's Investors Service, total MIS revenue from the quarter was $523 million, up 1% from the prior-year period.

US revenue for MIS declined 2% to $300 million over the prior-year period.

Revenue outside the US of $223 million increased 5% and represented 43% of total ratings revenue up from 41% in the prior-year period.

The impact of foreign currency translation for the quarter was negligible.

Moving on to the lines of business for MIS first, global corporate finance revenue in the fourth quarter declined 1% from the year-ago period to $243 million.

In the US revenue was down 9% year-over-year reflecting contraction in US bond issuance against a strong prior-year period.

Outside the US revenue was up 15% year-over-year as a result of higher investment grade issuance in Asia and speculative grade issuance in Europe as well as increased revenue from monitoring fees for outstanding ratings.

Second, global structured finance revenue for the fourth quarter was $109 million, 6% above the prior-year period.

In the US revenue increased 15% year-over-year primarily due to increased CMBS and REIT issuance as interest rates, credit spreads and risk appetite were favorable.

International structured finance revenue was down 8% against the prior-year period driven by declines in revenue of European RMBS and Asian CMBS.

Third, global financial institutions revenue of $89 million increased 3% from the same quarter of 2012 primarily reflecting increased revenue from asset management companies.

US revenue was up 6% and non-US revenue was up 1% as compared to the fourth quarter of 2012.

Fourth, global public, project and infrastructure finance revenue declined 3% year-over-year to $83 million.

Revenue was down 6% in the US primarily due to declines in public finance and project finance issuance partially offset by increased issuance and infrastructure finance while non-US revenue increased 1%.

Turning now to Moody's Analytics global revenue for MA of $256 million was up 9% from the fourth quarter of 2012.

US revenue grew by 21% year-over-year to $117 million.

Non-US revenue increased by 1% to $140 million and represented 54% of total Moody's Analytics revenue down from 59% in the fourth quarter last year.

The impact of foreign currency translation was negligible.

Moving now to the lines of business for MA, first global research data and analytics or RD&A, revenue of $138 million increased 9% from the prior-year period and represented 54% of total MA revenue.

We continue to see a mid-90%s customer retention rate as well as strong new sales of research products.

US revenue was up 8% and non-US revenue was up 10% as compared to the fourth quarter of 2012.

Second, enterprise risk solutions or ERS revenue of $85 million grew 7% from last year driven by strong growth in products and services that support banks' stress testing activity.

Revenue was up 48% in the US while non-US revenue was down 10% against the prior-year period.

As we previously noted ERS revenue remains subject to quarterly volatility due to the variable nature of project timing and completion.

On a trailing 12-month basis revenue and sales or ERS have increased 8% and 14% respectively.

Third, global professional services revenue grew 16% to $33 million reflecting continued growth within Copal as well as the acquisition of Amba Investment Services in December 2013.

US revenue increased [54]% and non-US revenue increased 6% year-over-year.

Turning now to expenses Moody's fourth-quarter expenses were $467 million, a decline of $27 million or 5% compared to the fourth-quarter 2012.

This decline was primarily due to lower incentive compensation expense, lower legal accruals and the absence of a goodwill impairment charge in the fourth quarter of 2013 as compared to the fourth quarter of 2012.

The year-over-year reduction in expenses was partially offset by increased compensation expense due to additional headcount and pension costs in 2013.

The impact of foreign currency translation on operating expenses for the quarter was negligible.

Moody's reported operating margin for the quarter expanded 550 basis points year-over-year and 34.5% in the fourth quarter of 2012 to 40% in 2013.

Adjusted operating margin was 43% for the quarter up from 39.3% in the same period last year, an expansion of 370 basis points.

Moody's effective tax rate for the quarter was 30.6% compared with 31.5% for the prior-year period.

The decline in the effective tax rate was primarily due to lower US taxes on foreign income.

Now I will provide an update on capital allocation.

Moody's increased its quarterly dividend on December 17 by 12% to $0.28 per share of common stock.

During the fourth quarter of 2013 Moody's repurchased 2 million shares at a total cost of $146 million and issued 0.9 million shares under employee stock-based compensation plans.

For the full-year 2013 Moody's repurchased 14 million shares at a total cost of $893 million or an average price of $62.90 per share and issued 5.5 million shares under employee stock-based compensation plans.

Outstanding shares as of December 31, 2013, totaled 214 million, a 4% decline from the prior year period.

As of December 31, 2013, Moody's had $784 million of share repurchase authority remaining under its current program.

Also as of December 31, Moody's had $2.1 billion of outstanding debt and $1 billion of additional debt capacity available under its revolving credit facility.

Total cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments at yearend were $2.1 billion, an increase of $333 million from the year earlier due in part to Moody's August 2013 bond offering, the $500 million of senior unsecured notes.

Full-year 2013 free cash flow of $885 million, an increase of $106 million or 14% from a year ago.

Cash holdings maintained outside of the US at the end of the fourth-quarter were $1.2 billion or 59% of the total cash holdings and with that I will turn the call back over to Ray.

Thanks, Linda.

I will conclude this morning's prepared remarks by discussing our full-year guidance for 2014.

Moody's outlook for 2014 is based on assumptions about many macroeconomic and capital market factors including interest rates, corporate profitability, business investment spending, mergers and acquisition activity, consumer borrowing and securitization and the amount of debt issued.

There is an important degree of uncertainty surrounding these assumptions and if actual conditions differ Moody's results for the year may differ materially from the current outlook.

Our guidance assumes foreign currency translation at end of quarter exchange rates.

While we anticipate variable market conditions in 2014 we nonetheless expect revenue growth across all areas of our business.

For Moody's overall we expect full-year 2014 revenue to grow in the high single-digit percent range.

Full-year 2014 operating expenses are projected to increase in the mid-single digit percent range reflecting the full-year impact of 2013 hires as well as investments in our business.

These include product development initiatives particularly in credit research and enterprise risk solutions where demand for our capabilities is particularly strong.

We're also expanding our presence in important international markets.

Even including these investments our full-year 2014 operating margin is expected to expand 50 to 150 basis points to be between 42% and 43%, up from 41.5% in 2013.

Adjusted operating margin is expected to be between 45% and 46%, up from 44.7% in 2013.

The effective tax rate is expected to increase to approximately 33% due to various tax law changes.

The Company expects diluted earnings per share for the full-year 2014 of $3.90 to $4.00.

We have endeavored to return capital to shareholders through a combination of dividends and share repurchases.

Over the course of 2013 Moody's increased its annualized declared dividend by 40% from $0.80 to $1.12.

For 2014 we expect share repurchases of approximately $1 billion subject to available cash, market conditions and other ongoing capital allocation decisions.

Full-year 2014 capital expenditures are projected to be approximately $90 million reflecting ongoing infrastructure maintenance but out of additional floors at our 7 World Trade Center headquarters and investments in our business for efficiency and growth.

We expect approximately $100 million in depreciation and amortization expense.

Growth in compliance and regulatory expense is projected to be less than $5 million.

Free cash flow is expected to be approximately $900 million.

For the global MIS business revenue for full-year 2014 is expected to increase in the mid-single-digit percent range.

Within the US MIS revenue is expected to increase in the low single-digit percent range while non-US revenue is expected to increase in the low double-digit percent range.

Corporate finance and public, project and infrastructure finance revenues are both projected to grow in the high single-digit percent range.

Revenue from structured finance is expected to grow in the low single-digit percent range while revenue from financial institutions is expected to grow in the mid-single-digit range.

For MA full-year 2014 revenue is expected to increase in the low teens percent range inclusive of our December 2013 acquisition of Amba Investment Services.

On an organic basis, MA revenue is expected to expand in the high single-digit percent range.

Within the US MA revenue is expected to increase in the high single-digit percent range.

Non-US revenue is expected to increase in the high teens percent range.

Revenue from research, data and analytics is projected to grow in the high single-digit percent range while revenue for enterprise risk solutions is projected to grow in the low teens percent range.

Revenue for professional services is projected to grow in the mid-40%s range which includes the recent acquisition of Amba.

Organically professional services revenue is expected to increase in the low double-digit percent range.

This concludes our prepared remarks and joining us for the question-and-answer session is Michel Madelain, the President and Chief Operating Officer of Moody's Investors Service and Mark Almeida, President of Moody's Analytics.

We would be pleased to take any questions you may have.

(Operator Instructions).

William Bird, FBR.

Ray, I was wondering if you could talk about just how you see debt issuance developing in 2014 and what you view as some of the key swing categories as you think about your outlook?

Thank you.

Sure.

As I think you can glean from our guidance we do we expect international activity, particularly in the corporate sector, to be stronger than growth in the US.

Looking at I think market consensus we would expect in the US to see modestly down volumes and issuance counts and Linda may wish to give some additional color on that.

It is really, in terms of the variables here for corporate finance as we have talked about before it is really a question of both interest rates and how that affects refinancing activity as well as if we do have a rising rate environment is that associated with business confidence and borrowing for non-refinancing reasons whether it be M&A or capital expenditure or share repurchase.

So that would be a significant swing factor and I would also say that as always, the amount of activity in the securitization markets and the question about whether there is going to be a recovery in European securitization off of what was a relatively quiet year last year would be the secondary I would look to as an important variable.

Bill, it is Linda.

I think we see unusual differences between US and non-US trends in the issuance markets right now.

Let me go through within the US for this week we see about $15 billion of issuance but we would remind everyone that we are still in blackout period at this point.

January looks like about $100 billion of US investment grade issuance which may be down 10% year-over-year and for the full year most projections are at about $900 billion which is sort of flattish to down 5% again in the US but we have seen very good funds flow into bond funds so far this year.

$9 billion has moved into bond funds.

And interestingly as the market has wobbled and there have been a resurgence of risk factors, interest rates have come back in.

As of this morning the 10 year is at 2.67%, the 5 year is at 1.47% and that is helpful in terms of issuance trends.

So we would expect that perhaps even beginning next week things will start to pick up.

Thus far in the year we have seen investment grades skewed heavily toward financials in the US and we have seen very heavy issuance from Yankee issuers, in other words issuers coming from outside the US.

Hard lines in investment grade in the US right now would be characterized as light to average.

Looking at high yields we have seen about $10 billion this week, January looks to be at about $30 billion, the year is projected at about $300 billion.

Again in the U.S. that's down a little bit from last year but I will ask Michel Madelain to comment as we move through this.

Again, it is a different story outside the US.

The issuance levels all in for high-yield are at 5.91% this morning.

Again, issuance levels under 6% are very helpful to the high-yield market and so we will see what happens with M&A activity and so on but pipelines are characterized as average.

Leverage loans continue to be the very much the bright spot this week, $15 billion of leverage loans, January at $50 billion which is up 40% year-over-year.

The year is forecast as $400 billion which is down a bit but we will see how that plays out.

Leverage loan market has started the year in great shape, inflows have been very strong, $460 million for the week.

The asset class has not seen a weekly outflow since June of 2012 as investors continue to look at floating-rate papers, the attractive place to be and the pipeline there is termed to be robust in leveraged loans.

So with all of that it might be interesting for you to hear from Michel to hear his observations on the difference between US and the international markets.

Thank you, Linda.

I think that is the main point we have in front of us is this contrast between the US and non-US.

The US what we have is a situation with obviously more challenging comparables because of what we have seen this year and expectation of contraction of issuance in investment grade and also on bonds.

Internationally what we see especially in Europe is the fact that we expect benefits from the continuation of business mediation and bringing new transaction as well as improving economic conditions.

So, again, more factors helping to generate additional flow of new bonds.

Bill, that might be more than what you wanted but that is the story.

Well said, well spoken.

How do you expect expenses to phase in in 2014?

Sure.

As we said expenses growing in mid-single digits for 2014 and the reason for that, Bill, we have got businesses which are performing very strongly here where we are very pleased with our business performances in 2013 and the outlook for 2014.

We think we have some good opportunities.

And so looking at expense growth in the mid-single digits.

For the first quarter I will make this easy, I think what we would look at on a GAAP basis is probably expenses in the first quarter somewhere around $450 million and then we are looking at a ramp again over the course of the year probably $35 million to $40 million of increase by the time we get to the fourth quarter.

So, again, modest increase in expenses over the course of the year with the fourth quarter being the highest, again with the traditional ramp that Moody's sees of $35 million to $40 million starting off with a base at around $450 million in the first quarter if things play out as we expect.

Thank you.

Peter Appert, Piper Jaffray.

Thanks.

Ray, the international numbers are particularly impressive I think.

Is it possible to break out the impact or quantify the impact of this whole disintermediation thesis versus just secular growth or cyclical growth in the market?

I'm wondering also related to that if you have any statistics you can share with us on number of new issuers you are seeing in the international markets?

Sure.

The contribution from disintermediation is again probably 2 to 3 points of revenue as we talked about previously.

That has been fairly steady over the last few years.

We had a particularly strong year last year for new mandates and I think the number of new mandates was over 500 last year.

So it was a strong year.

The trends that are influencing that, the deleveraging pressure on financial institutions particularly in Europe continues, I think that also the interest of corporate borrowers to diversify their access to capital continues.

It looks like a powerful story and a long-term story as opposed to a cyclical story.

Peter, it is Linda.

I think as we finished the fourth quarter our new mandates might have even been a bit higher than what Ray stated, maybe around 800 new mandates.

But that has been wind at our backs as we said and we'll see with the international issuance pace also in Asia as well as in Europe.

How would that 800 compare with 2012, Linda, do you know?

Let me just clarify the numbers we have.

We have net and gross numbers and so we have to be clear about that.

I am sorry, your question, Peter?

Whichever number it is, how would it compare to the prior year?

It was up by several hundred.

Excellent.

Then in terms of the stepped up pace of buyback activity so if I am calculating this right if you do $1 billion of buyback and call it a couple hundred million of dividend payments that will likely exceed the free cash flow.

So should I read into this a willingness maybe to use a little bit more leverage not just near-term but over the next several years in terms of maintaining a higher level of buyback?

The question is really, is the $1 billion level a number we might expect on a continuing basis?

Well, that is going to be subject to a number of factors and ongoing review of how our financial performances, what our other opportunities are for use of capital.

I will say that I think we have the capacity to continue to repurchase at that rate absent something unexpected so there is certainly that potential.

Okay, great.

Thanks.

And then last thing, pricing, anything different in 2014 and what you have done in the last couple of years?

Peter, it is Linda.

I don't think so.

As we have guided in our previous discussions with investors on the four box growth chart we have said pricing is 3% to 4% of our growth and we continue to look at that for 2014.

Great.

Thanks very much.

Patrick O'Shaughnessy, Raymond James.

Good morning, guys.

So my first question is obviously we have had a pretty big upheaval in the emerging markets to start 2014.

Have you seen any of that have an impact on new issuers kind of coming to market or your conversations with companies that are based in emerging markets?

Yes, the turmoil in the emerging markets certainly has had an impact on short-term pipelines and issuance levels.

I don't think that that is going to remain a story for the full year.

I would expect that we are going to see, continue to see, good activity in the Yankee market as Linda mentioned.

But also I think with a realization that interest rates in the US may not be moving as far as fast as people had feared will bring some more stability to the emerging market side of the equation.

Patrick, it is Linda.

I think as I had mentioned in the earlier remarks the elevation in the VIX and various other things has resulted in US rates coming in about 30 basis points which is attractive for issuers.

So we will see how that is viewed.

But we thought that the markets might be waiting for some of this end-of-year data before issuers take another step but we will see how things pan out as we move through February.

Great.

Thanks.

And then a second question from me, so I think there's been a number of articles these last few days about the Volcker Rule and its impact on CLOs and it looks like the CLO market has dried up a little bit but from your commentary it sounds like the leverage loan market still remains pretty robust.

So can you just provide some commentary on our level of concern about how the Volcker Rule is impacting CLOs and what the banks can hold and how you see things playing out there?

Yes, I mean I think we have seen a market reaction both in terms of the pull forward of CLO activity and quite a bit of debate about how the Volcker Rule will ultimately impact this market.

I am pretty optimistic that a resolution is going to be found that is going to allow banks to continue to issue CLOs and to have the treatment of that economically work for them in terms of what is on the balance sheet.

The commentary from policymakers and regulatory officials I think has recognized that challenge.

And they are looking for a solution that is not going to be disruptive to the market.

Alright, that is helpful.

Thanks.

And then the last one from me just on your fourth-quarter repurchases did about $145 million to get to $893 million for the year, obviously came in a little bit below your $1 billion guidance.

Was there something about the market conditions in the fourth quarter that slowed the pace or what was going on with that?

Sure, it is Linda.

As we have talked about before we put in place our repurchase grid shortly after we give the previous quarter's earnings so we have to do that during the window period.

And our stock price we were very fortunate, had a rather dramatic increase in the fourth quarter so we didn't get as much done as we wanted to but we will take another look as we move through this period and see how we do for 2014.

Great.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Tim McHugh, William Blair and Company.

Thanks.

Just wanted to ask a few about Moody's Analytics.

Start with I guess the RD&A part I know you said it was high retention and strong new sales but can you guys add a little more color on what type of products there, are there new products?

What is driving the strong new sales right now?

Anything you have done or what is behind it just to know if it's sustainable?

Sure.

I'm going to turn this over to Mark Almeida.

Yes.

In the RD&A business we have seen good sales volume really across the product portfolio.

Demand continues to be very strong for the rating agency, research and data which are the biggest pieces of the business so when they do well the RD&A segment does well.

We have also seen good news sales production in the economics business particularly in the fourth quarter.

I think that overall there has just been very good demand for what we are doing in the business.

We have done a bit of new product innovation and have introduced a couple of new ways of delivering our content in a packaged way.

So that has helped as well but the retention has really been quite strong and given the size of the business that is very, very beneficial.

Okay, great.

My only other question here, ERS you give a commentary about US versus international revenue I guess which can be lumpy but if we looked at the bookings numbers or trailing sales numbers that you gave is there a similar distinction between US versus international performance or was that just the timing of revenue recognition for that business?

No, it is entirely a timing phenomenon there.

The sales production is much more consistent from region to region.

But the revenue results can be wildly different because they are driven by what projects get done and when they get completed.

And so we just had a number of very large projects that got completed in the fourth quarter in the US.

And by contrast in the fourth quarter last year we had some very big projects outside the US getting done.

So as you said, purely a timing phenomenon.

Okay.

Then I guess one more if I could, too, I forgot, I may have missed it.

Can you tell us what the incentive comp was for the quarter?

Sure.

Let us dig that out.

Incentive compensation for the quarter was $47 million and that was down from about $60 million in this quarter last year.

The actual change was $12.7 million.

So while we had a good and strong fourth quarter it was not as strong as last year's fourth quarter where we had to catch up a bit on our incentive compensation.

Okay, thank you.

Doug Arthur, Evercore.

You have made a couple of comments about expanded headcount going into 2014.

Linda, is there any numbers you can give around that?

Sure, happy to do that.

We are looking at for 2013 we had a headcount increase of about 9% for the previous year and that excluded the acquisition that we had done with Amba.

So looking to 2014 we are looking at sort of a similar rate of headcount increase.

But one of the things that we are noting is that about 80% of that increase is two of the lines of business, in other words not the support function, so that 80% ratio is important, we are looking to make sure that the businesses are appropriately staffed for the investments we are making and the strong growth that we have seen.

Okay, great.

Then just one follow-up on revenues.

I think the press release implied that roughly 43% of MIS revenues in the quarter were international.

When you look specifically at the corporate finance where international is particularly strong, is it a similar percent there or is it slightly higher?

Sure.

For the corporate finance line for Q4 of 2013 international was 39% of the total and US was 61% of the total for the fourth-quarter 2013.

And the year's numbers the percentages looks about the same.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Edward Atorino, Benchmark.

My question has been answered.

Okay, thank you.

Thanks, Ed.

About four times.

(Operator Instructions).

Manav Patnaik, Barclays.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Just wanted to try and understand the operating expense guidance that you gave by division and maybe more specifically I guess the SKU with the contribution of Amba how should we think about what the incremental expense contribution there would be on the MA side?

Sure, Manav, you may not be too happy with this answer but I think we are going to stick with our mid-single-digits.

And you can probably infer from what I said regarding the headcount numbers that we are looking to have the stronger growth rates in expense be in the operating division lines which we think is appropriate to drive the growth but we would rather not get into that level of detail if that is okay.

Okay, fair enough.

And then I guess in terms of the issuance by plan, etc., that you guys see I think last year you were taking a shot at the initial quarterly phasing maybe of how that might play out.

Do you care to take a shot at that now?

I think the revenue pattern which is going to relate to the issuance pattern is going to be similar to what we saw in 2013 with relatively stronger quarters in the second and fourth quarter.

That is a typical pattern.

It has not been consistently followed in recent years but it has been a pattern we have seen historically and we are anticipating that 2014 is going to look somewhat like 2013 in terms of that sawtooth.

Last one for me.

I guess you didn't have any slide on any regulatory or any other update, nothing to report there basically?

No, we are in the process of being inspected and reviewed, examined by regulators in different jurisdictions around the world.

We have gone through significant effort to make sure that we are complying with new rules and regulations.

And those are largely complete although not fully complete and we will have to continued to develop some new compliance programs but it is nothing that I think is at the policy level at this point.

It is really more about inspections, examinations and compliance.

Okay, thanks a lot, guys.

Craig Huber, Huber Research Partners.

Yes, hi.

I have got some housekeeping questions here.

First, Linda, this 33% tax rate guidance for 2014, can you just give us a little further update of why it is going up roughly 150 basis points?

Sure, Craig.

We did extraordinarily well on the tax rates in 2013 and we had some things that we don't expect to repeat break our way.

Predicting the effective tax rate is one of the hardest things that we do because at this point in the year the tax rate is difficult to forecast because we have some tax law changes that are said to be happening and they are influx.

So for example there are two pieces in the US that you might want to look up.

One is the extension of lookthrough provisions and the second is R&D tax credits.

Both of those at the present time are not expected to be extended in the US.

Now that may change, that has changed in previous years but we are taking a conservative view and we are planning that those two factors will not be extended.

So those things along with a couple of other factors are causing us to ask you to look at an effective tax rate of 33% for 2014.

We understand that is up from 2013 and we will continue to work on it in our usual conservative manner but that is what we are working with right now and we can only plan for the best that we know.

Then also I just wondering your thoughts here Ray or Linda, as you know your main competitor S&P's transaction revenues were down about 12% in the quarter, yours are down about 5.5%.

Do you guys view that as just noise or is there some market share you are picking up that you want to really highlight here?

We have had some improvements in market share, for example in European structured finance.

But I can only speak to our numbers, I wouldn't speak to our competitors.

And trying to look at this on a longer-term basis, though, I think we have to look at the mix of both geographically and by security type and areas where we are traditionally strong are more active in certain quarters than in others and vice versa.

It does take some time to try and get through the noise and so I am cautious about predicting any long-term trends out of this.

A couple more questions please.

Just give us an update on the legal front, particularly the CalPERS case please?

Not a lot to report on the CalPERS case.

The matter is still in the California courts.

We filed an appeal, court of appeals seeking a reversal of the lower court's decision denying our motion to dismiss on this anti-SLAPP statute.

And the briefing on the appeal was completed a few months ago and we don't know when the case will be argued or decided at this point.

My last question.

Linda, can you just help break apart the revenue a little finer detail here within your ratings business like within corporate finance for example, can you break out the percentages or dollars for high-yield versus bank loans and also the other three large categories please?

Yes, sure, Craig.

What we are looking at here is fourth quarter of 2013 as compared to fourth quarter of 2012 and I will start with the corporate finance line as you asked for, Craig.

Investment grade it was 23% of the total CFG line which was about $243 million.

The high-yield portion of 2014's revenue was 21% or $50 million which is down from 24% in 2012.

Bank loans were at 20% which is the same as last year and other was 37%, up a bit from last year's 34%.

Moving on to the other lines of business now turning to structured finance, asset backed securities 25% of structured's revenue line of about $109 million for the fourth quarter of 2013, that was down a bit from last year's 28%.

RMBS was 19% of structured revenues for the fourth quarter, that is flat to last year.

Commercial real estate finance was 32%, up from last year's 28%.

We had spoken about that earlier.

Structured credit, what's also known as derivative, was 24% of that total, about flat to last year's 25%.

Going on to financial institutions, about $89 million of revenue for the fourth quarter of 2013.

And banking was about 71% of that total or about $64 million.

That was down a bit from last year's 73%.

Insurance was 22% of the number, flat to last year's 22%.

And managed investments was 6% of the total which was up a bit from last year's 5%.

Moving on last to public, project and infrastructure total number for the quarter was about $83 million.

Public finance in sovereigns 43% or $35 million which was down from last year's 47%.

Munis was about 5% of the total, down a bit from last year's 6%.

And project and infrastructure, as we have noted, at about $43 million up to 52% of the total, down from last year's, excuse me, up from last year's 47%.

Sorry, Linda, if I could ask one follow-up there.

Does this sovereign piece of that public finance and sovereign line, how insignificant right now I guess for the full-year was sovereign?

I think --

We don't disclose the dollar figures but it is small.

Yes, I think a few percent, Craig, is what we've said before.

It is frankly not particularly material.

Okay, it hasn't changed.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Alex Kramm, UBS.

I was going to say good morning but I guess it is afternoon already.

Real quick I guess only a couple of follow-ups.

On the guidance I think the one thing to ding in a little bit if you may on the structured side obviously that's the lowest growth and you talked about a little bit, is it just conservatism and considering that that business has been so lumpy and so uncertain there has been times when we thought there were green shoes and then markets like RMBS kind of collapsed again.

And maybe more recently it is like ABS has been a little bit more in demand.

Can you just talk about what you are seeing out there, what we should be looking for?

And if there is a resurgence, like where you expect it to come and what we should be looking for?

Well, I guess to answer the beginning part of your question, I hope our guidance is conservative on structured.

There are a lot of uncertainties as we talked about earlier what happens with CLOs from a regulatory perspective, what is going to happen with the residential mortgage-backed securities market and its pace of growth.

The European market which has been very soft and whether that is going to experience a recovery in 2014.

There are some good reasons to believe that each of these can break in a favorable way, but they remain uncertainties at this point.

Then I guess the last item I would just point to is actually the economics of doing these transactions, which can be subject to interest rates and spreads between high-grade and lower-grade securities.

So there is just an economics question in terms of when it is attractive to issue these securities.

Alex, it is Linda.

I would also continue to point out that, as we said, the greatest strength we are seeing is in the commercial real estate line which had moved up nicely in the fourth quarter, and also REITs.

So those are the places where we have seen strength.

As you pointed out RMBS is, for the fourth quarter is about flat from last year.

And it would probably be fair if we ask Michel if he had anything further that he could add that Ray and I have not mentioned.

Nothing much.

I think you've covered pretty much.

I think the other place where you some potential improvement is India and Europe, basically.

Okay, great.

Then maybe just lastly just to come back on the tax rate and maybe it is not a fair question but obviously thanks for the incremental color there but when I think about your guidance and you are looking at stronger growth next year or this year outside of the US and I think about tax rate changes in the UK for example, rates are going down and in general rates seem to be lower outside of the US.

Shouldn't conceptually that still be a helpful driver or do you think you have exhausted all of those opportunities already?

Alex, we are going to continue to work hard on it and look region by region at what we can do on the tax rate.

Again, we take a conservative approach to this.

I spoke a little bit about some of the US things that are pending but for right now we don't have an extension of previous provisions.

In Europe, we do see some countervailing trends.

There have been some changes in the UK which have been have had the result of moving things up a bit in terms of rates in the UK.

You might want to take a look at that.

But again if we have progress on the tax line and if we have a change to the estimated tax rate we will be happy to tell you about that in future quarter calls if we get that.

But again we understand that this is an important factor.

If you look at the difference it looks like it will cost us about $0.12 in EPS.

And we are mindful that that is a change that is not helpful but we will continue to work at it as we said.

Alright, I think that is it for me.

Thank you.

You are welcome.

Hamzah Mazari, Credit Suisse.

Good afternoon.

Thank you.

Just a question, Ray, on how you are thinking about M&A and whether your pipeline going into 2014 is stronger versus 2013.

It seems like there are a lot more assets out on the market, maybe give us a sense of what your feel is there?

I think our internal pipeline would look similar in 2014 to 2013.

We have talked about this before.

We look at a lot of potential opportunities and we think we are very rigorous in the assets that we actually choose to pursue.

And I have said before, also, I think the likelihood of doing something transformative is relatively low.

So we would be looking more for assets that have the kind of size and synergies that we have seen with our recent acquisitions whether it is Amba, Copal or going back a couple of years to some of the acquisitions we made in the enterprise risk solutions business.

That is very helpful.

Just a quick follow-up, I will turn it over.

Could you maybe compare your competitive positioning and exposure within the US versus the European structured finance market?

Sure.

I will ask Michel to offer his views on this.

At a high level we have a very good position in both markets.

There are areas where we have traditionally been stronger and that includes commercial mortgage-backed securities, CLOs, the residential mortgage-backed securities market in Europe.

And so you can see where we are strong and the markets are active we obviously benefit from that.

Conversely European RMBS which has been quite dormant especially in the UK is an area where if it grew more active I think the strength we have in that market would come and help our topline certainly.

Michel, did you want to?

No, I mean the only point I would add is covered bonds maybe where also we have a very strong position and where issuance is very soft frankly and I know we've connected okay from a (inaudible).

Great.

Thank you.

Have a good weekend.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

Andre Benjamin, Goldman Sachs.

Good afternoon.

First question, mentioned in your current views on the opportunity to rate debt in Asia how much of the international revenue did that account for in 2013 and do you have any view on where that could go based on either the macro or conversations that you are having with clients in the region?

Our Asian revenue is still relatively small.

It is, I will put out a number and my colleagues will correct me, I think it is about 13% of our total.

And it is an area of growth but it is an area where disintermediation has been lagging behind what we have seen in Europe and certainly the United States.

So we have got good opportunities there, they are multiple types of opportunities though, some of it on the rating side of the business and in the rating side of the business some of it in domestic markets such as Korea, China, India and obviously the cross-border markets as large firms in those countries access the international bond markets.

We also have good opportunities in Moody's Analytics in the Asian markets, both with research and in particular with our enterprise risk solutions business.

Do we have a number?

Yes, we have got for the overall corporation for the year, Ray is right, we are looking at low double digits for international growth.

And in terms of what we are seeing with the two businesses I think we might invite Michel and maybe Mark to speak a bit more about that if they would like to.

For us corporate finance is really where we see the biggest opportunity and the biggest growth.

And we actually this year we have seen among the highest growth business in that region actually.

So (inaudible)

In MA I would endorse what Ray said, it is a good market for us.

And in particular the research business in Asia has picked up nicely since 2013.

Still relatively small scale but very healthy growth rate so that is very good to see, very profitable business.

Andre, I think in total if we are looking at 9% revenue growth for the Company and we have just said low double digits you might infer that Asia is growing a little bit more rapidly on the whole across the businesses than maybe we are seeing in some of the other regions.

But, again, I would caution it is coming off a small number as Ray had said.

Thank you.

Then any light that you would be able to shed on what gives you confidence that the public, project and infrastructure finance business is going to grow high single digits next year, at least came off the first down quarter in some time it has been pretty strong previously.

Is it just the macro trends or is there something else specific that you see in the pipeline?

What you have in that segment is really several businesses where very different dynamics.

You have US public finance where we actually expect to see a fraction of what it's this year.

And this is offset by positive development in infrastructure and projects outside of the US (inaudible)

Andre, going from memory oftentimes US municipalities have to get their budgets in order.

So I think traditionally we see that business is stronger toward the middle of the year than in the first quarter.

So that is a trend we will have to watch as well.

Thank you.

At this time I would like to turn the conference back to Ray McDaniel for any additional or closing remarks.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

I just want to mention that on Tuesday, September 30, we will be hosting our annual Investor Day.

It will be at our headquarters here in lower Manhattan.

More information will be available on the Investor Relations website as we get closer to the event.

Thank you all for joining the call today and we look forward to speaking to you again in April.

Thank you very much.

This concludes Moody's fourth-quarter and fiscal yearend 2013 earnings conference call.

As a reminder, a replay of this call will be available after 3.30 PM Eastern Time on Moody's website.

Thank you and have a great day.