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  • Operator

  • Good morning, and welcome to the Mercantile Bank Corporation fourth-quarter 2015 earnings results conference call. (Operator Instructions). Please note, this event is being recorded.

  • I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Robert Burton with Lambert, Edwards, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

  • Robert Burton - IR

  • Thank you, Laura. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Mercantile Bank Corporation's conference call and webcast to discuss the Company's financial results for the fourth-quarter and full-year 2015. I'm Bob Burton with Lambert, Edwards, Mercantile's Investor Relations firm, and joining me are members of their management team, including Michael Price, President and Chief Executive Officer; Robert Kaminski, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer; and Chuck Christmas, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

  • We will begin the call with management's prepared remarks and then open the call up to questions.

  • However, before we begin today's call, it is my responsibility to inform you that this call may involve certain forward-looking statements, such as projections of revenue, earnings, and capital structure, as well as statements on the plans and objectives of the Company's business. The Company's actual results could differ materially from any forward-looking statements made today due to the important factors described in the Company's latest Securities and Exchange Commission filings.

  • The Company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during the call. If anyone does not already have a copy of the press release issued by Mercantile today, you can access it at the Company's website, www.mercbank.com.

  • At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Mercantile's President and Chief Executive Officer, Mike Price.

  • Mike?

  • Michael Price - Chairman, President, and CEO

  • Thank you, Bob, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us to discuss our fourth-quarter and full-year 2015 results for Mercantile Bank Corporation. On the call today, our CFO, Chuck Christmas, will provide details on our financial results; followed by COO, Bob Kaminski, with his comments regarding loan development, growth initiatives, and asset quality.

  • I hope you will agree with me that 2015 was a very successful year for Mercantile. We have completed our first full year following the 2014 merger with Firstbank. And on metric after metric, our results have been outstanding. While full year-over-year comparisons are affected by the fact that the merger was completed in mid-2014, whether you examine progress from a quarter-to-quarter or compare second half of both years, the Mercantile team has delivered on key performance metrics like net interest margin, fee income, loan origination, asset quality -- and asset quality, to name several among many.

  • This was a strong performance that lays the basis for continued success. And upon review, we are very pleased with the effectiveness of the merger integration, the strength of our Bank, the dictation of our team, and the market opportunities we see ahead. In particular, let me point out several accomplishments and areas of strategic focus that underline our optimism for 2016.

  • New loan generation totaled $532 million for 2015, and reached $167 million in the fourth quarter. Bob Kaminski will detail the health of our markets and the strength of our customer base in his comments in a moment.

  • Mercantile has been consistently successful in realizing the projected benefits of the Firstbank merger. We continue to shift our mix of interest earning assets out of low-yielding securities and into higher-yielding loans, resulting in a relatively stable yield on total earning assets despite this low interest rate environment. This rebalancing is a competitive advantage that can enhance the spreads at which we do business in the year to come.

  • Noninterest income performed above expectations for 2015, as we have worked hard to develop stronger fee income, both on card services and in our mortgage banking area. Asset quality continues to improve as nonperforming assets and loans in the 30- to 89-day delinquent category declined again from the third quarter. On an annual basis, nonperforming assets have declined by 79% from $31.4 million to $6.7 million.

  • As evidence of our strong capital position, and demonstrating our commitment to shareholder return, we earlier today announced a quarterly cash dividend of $0.16 per share payable the first quarter of 2016, providing an annual yield of about 2.9% based on our current share price.

  • Looking forward to 2016, we see further opportunity to participate in the economic strength of our market as Michigan's premier community bank. The area's economic indicators remain positive, suggesting growth will continue through the coming months.

  • At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Chuck.

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • Thanks, Mike, and good morning, everybody. This morning we announced net income of $6.5 million for the fourth quarter of last year, and net income of $27 million for all of 2015. On a diluted earnings per share basis, we earned $0.40 during the fourth quarter and $1.62 for all of 2015.

  • As Mike mentioned, given that the merger with Firstbank was effective on June 1, 2014, comparisons between 2015 and 2014 can be difficult to make. However, we are pleased to report that our 2015 results reflect a successful integration of the two banking organizations and the leveraging of the strength that each organization provided to the new Company.

  • We are very pleased with our financial condition and earnings performance for the fourth quarter, and all of 2015. We believe we are very well-positioned to take advantage of lending and market opportunities to enhance our strong position as Michigan's community bank while delivering consistent results for our shareholders.

  • Our net interest margin was 3.81% during the fourth quarter, continuing a relatively stable trend during 2015, in which the margin ranged from 3.81% to 3.87%. The stability of our net interest margin primarily reflects our ongoing strategy to fund a large portion of our net loan growth with monies from the lower-yielding securities portfolio. Average loans represented 84% of average earning assets during the fourth quarter of 2015 compared to 79% during the fourth quarter of 2014.

  • In large part reflecting the ongoing very low interest rate environment and competitive pressures, our yield on total loans has been generally been on a declining trend. However, our yield on total earning assets has remained in a tight range of just 7 basis points.

  • We recorded loan discount accretion totaling $1.1 million during the fourth quarter, lower than the prior four quarters, but in line with our expectations. Based on our most recent valuations, we currently expect to record further quarterly loan discount accretion totaling $1.0 million to $1.2 million during 2016.

  • As a reminder, actual accretion remounts recorded in future periods may differ from our forecast due to a variety of reasons, including periodic re-estimation and the payment performance of the acquired loan portfolio.

  • Our cost of funds during the fourth quarter of 2015 was relatively unchanged from the third quarter. Our cost of funds had increased 3 basis points during the third quarter compared to the second quarter, in large part reflecting the completion of purchase accounting fair value adjustments relating to Firstbank's time deposit portfolio at the end of July.

  • We had been recording a quarterly reduction in interest expense of almost $0.6 million, which declined to about $0.2 million during the third quarter, again when it ended. We expect our net interest margin to be in a range of 3.75% to 3.85% throughout 2016. This assumes no further rate changes from the Fed.

  • While the ongoing very low interest rate environment continues to exert compression pressure on our net interest margin, the recent Fed rate increase provided some relief. And we expect to continue to use cash flows for monthly paydowns on lower-yielding mortgage-backed securities and periodic maturities and calls on lower-yielding US government agency and municipal bonds to fund a large portion of our expected loan growth during the first half of 2016.

  • The overall quality of our loan portfolio, combined with recoveries of prior period loan charge-offs and the elimination of, and reductions in, many specific reserves, had produced a positive impact on our loan loss reserve calculation and allowed us to make no or negative provisions in 11 consecutive quarters, and in 14 out of the last 15 quarters through September 30.

  • We did record a positive provision expense of $0.5 million during the fourth quarter, in large part reflecting net loan growth, but did record a negative provision expense of $1.0 million during all of 2015. We expect to record quarterly provision expense of $0.5 million to $1.0 million during 2016.

  • Gross loan charge-offs totaled $1.3 million during the fourth quarter, and totaled $6.3 million for all of 2015. Recoveries of prior-period loan charge-offs equaled $0.3 million during the fourth quarter, and totaled $2.9 million for the whole year. Resulting annualized net loan charge-offs as a percentage of average total loans were 0.17% during the fourth quarter and 0.15% during the full year.

  • A vast majority of the gross loan charge-offs in 2015 was associated with a large commercial credit that was resolved during the second quarter. Our loan loss reserves totaled $15.7 million at the end of 2015. The reserve for originated loans, at $15.2 million, equaled 0.94% of total originated loans at year-end.

  • We recorded noninterest income of $4 million during the fourth quarter of 2015, reflecting a $0.7 million increase compared to the fourth quarter of 2014. The improvement was led by higher credit and debit card usage fees and mortgage banking income, as well as recoveries on legacy Firstbank loans that had been charged off prior to the date of our merger. With caution that mortgage banking income and recoveries on certain acquired charge-off loans can be difficult to forecast, we expect quarterly noninterest income during 2016 to be in a range of $3.7 million to $4.0 million.

  • We recorded noninterest expense of $20.1 million during the fourth quarter of 2015, an increase of $0.5 million from the fourth quarter of the prior year, and just slightly ahead of the high end of our guidance provided during the third-quarter earnings conference call.

  • During the quarter, we expensed about $0.8 million associated with the efficiency program we announced in late October, in large part reflecting accruals for severance payments. Expenses related to the efficiency program are expected to be less than $0.1 million during the first quarter of this year. And as we indicated in the efficiency program press release, annual cost savings are expected to total $2.7 million, pre-tax, beginning on January 1. We expect quarterly noninterest expense to total between $19.0 million and $19.5 million during 2016, with our effective tax rate at around 31%.

  • We remain a well-capitalized banking organization. As of year-end, our Bank's total risk-based capital ratio was 13.5%, and in dollars was approximately $90 million higher than the 10% minimum required to be categorized as well-capitalized.

  • As part of a $20 million common stock repurchase program that we announced in January of 2015, we repurchased approximately 789,000 shares at an average price of about $20 per share, or approximately $15.8 million during 2015. Funding for the stock repurchase program has generally been provided via cash dividends from our Bank. And any further stock purchases would likely be funded in a similar manner.

  • Those are my prepared remarks. I will now turn the call over to Bob.

  • Robert Kaminski - EVP, COO, and Secretary

  • Thank you, Chuck, and good morning. Mercantile finished 2015 in a strong fashion, especially with regard to client acquisition and loan growth. For the quarter, that loan growth was $60 million, reflecting new loans funded to new and existing customers of $167 million. For all of 2015, total loans grew $188 million through funding of $532 million.

  • Management is pleased with the new client activity in 2015, as our sales team had many successes with the promotion of our mutually beneficial relationship banking approach.

  • Competition is very intense, both in terms of pricing and structure, as banking organizations have been very aggressive. Our ongoing philosophy is to remain vigilant to the principles of sound credit underwriting and structure loans based on risk profile of the borrower.

  • Pricing is also based on the risk inherent in the loan request, and determined based on our internal pricing models. This consistent approach to loan underwriting continues to resonate with our customers and existing customers and prospective clients, and has created some great new loan opportunities for Mercantile.

  • The growth in 2015 demonstrates the gains from that approach, and loan funding and prospect pipeline remain solid for 2016.

  • In October we announced some efficiency initiatives that included the closing of five underperforming branch locations in West and Central Michigan. The initiatives are consistent with our strategic plan, which focuses on appropriate allocation of resources to the markets we serve which present the greatest potential for client acquisition and growth. The closures of the five branches will be completed in early March. Much care has been taken to ensure minimal disruption for any customers as a result of the efficiency initiatives.

  • Asset quality continues to perform at a strong level. For the fourth quarter, nonperforming assets were $6.7 million, down from $10.5 million at September 30, and $31.4 million at December 31, 2014.

  • Regarding the general economic activity in Michigan, while the state is not without its share of challenges, Michigan continues to benefit from strong job growth in the automotive and parts manufacturing subsectors. The state's unemployment rate dropped to 5.1% as of the state's fiscal year ending September 30.

  • Additionally, residential real estate markets continue to improve, particularly in West Michigan. Home prices increased 5.9% in the third quarter, ahead of the national pace of 5.7%.

  • Despite the positive performance metrics for the state's economy, we remain watchful for signs of overexpansion and saturation in various subsectors, and a possible foreshadowing of the timing of a more widespread economic slowdown, and the impact of those factors that they may have on some of our customers.

  • Those are my prepared remarks on the fourth quarter.

  • I will now turn it back over to Mike.

  • Michael Price - Chairman, President, and CEO

  • Thank you, Bob, and thank you, Chuck, for your comments, as well.

  • At this time, we would like to open the call up to questions, Laura.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions). Damon DelMonte, KBW.

  • Damon DelMonte - Analyst

  • My first question is, I know you guys mentioned that you are going to continue to shift the mix in the earning assets. Chuck, how comfortable or how low should we expect the securities to become, as a percentage of earning assets?

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • Yes, we look at it -- I don't have that specific number, but I look at it as 11% of total assets.

  • Damon DelMonte - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • So I think we're about 1% or 2% away from that, at year-end.

  • Damon DelMonte - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • I expect to get there sometime during the second quarter.

  • Damon DelMonte - Analyst

  • Okay, great. And from an interest rate sensitivity perspective, what percentage of the loan portfolio is variable? And how quickly does that begin to re-price, once rates eventually do rise?

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • Yes, our portfolio has stayed relatively steady over the last -- quite a few years now, and even combining with Firstbank, so there's -- we didn't see a lot of change. About half of our loan portfolio is floating rate. And if I remember the numbers correctly, when the Fed raised rates last month, we had about half of that re-price, maybe 60% of that re-priced.

  • And then with that rate increase, there was a whole slew of loans that were at floors, that are no longer at floors. So I think -- and I can verify this data later -- but I think about three-fourths of our floating rate loans will re-price on the next Fed increase, assuming there is one. And then when we get another two or three on top of that, virtually all of our loans will be float -- will actually float.

  • Damon DelMonte - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. And then the tax rate this quarter I think was a little bit lower than what we were looking for. Is there anything unique to this quarter? Was it just some year-end true-ups?

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • Yes, exactly. It was year-end true-ups. Obviously we're using estimates throughout the year. And then when we put our year-end financials together, we actually go through all of our calculations on an actual basis and true it up. So, like I said, I expect our rates to be right around that 31% level for 2016.

  • Damon DelMonte - Analyst

  • Okay. And then just my last question, and I'll hop out, probably more directed to Mike. With regards to M&A, can you just give us a little update on your thoughts on M&A? And would you characterize recent discussion activity to be increasing? And, if so, what are your prospects for potentially doing a deal in 2016?

  • Michael Price - Chairman, President, and CEO

  • Yes, Damon. The fourth quarter is typically pretty quiet for M&A, just because everybody is generally tied up with the holidays, and, more importantly, year-ends and that type of thing. So I would portray it at about the same level it was at the end of third quarter. And that is there's a lot of activity, there's a lot of talking, but there's still some headway as far as what sellers in the state of Michigan are thinking that their franchises are worth, and what we're willing to pay. And that's a healthy discussion that goes back and forth to make sure that we protect our shareholders' interests in the right way.

  • But we always say the same thing, and it would be true for 2016: we continue to look out there for any deals that might make some sense, but organic growth is always our main focus. But if we find something like Firstbank, which was a great deal for both franchises to put together, we will certainly pursue it.

  • Damon DelMonte - Analyst

  • And along those lines, would you be open to doing something similar to Firstbank as far as size-wise, where it's essentially a bank of a similar asset size? Or you guys think your better opportunity is something that's smaller, that is a much smaller percentage of your total assets that could just be folded into Mercantile?

  • Michael Price - Chairman, President, and CEO

  • Well, at the time we did Firstbank, obviously as you know, it was a merger of equals. And to do a merger of equals today would be substantially bigger than that one. So to frame the answer right, could we do another one that was the same size as a Firstbank, at $1.5 billion? Yes, I think we've shown that we can do that extremely well. But are there other deals that might make some sense at a smaller size? Yes, certainly there's some opportunities out there as well.

  • Damon DelMonte - Analyst

  • Okay, great. Thanks for the color. I appreciate it.

  • Operator

  • Matthew Forgotson, Sandler O'Neill.

  • Matthew Forgotson - Analyst

  • In terms of loan growth, I guess we had a 9% increase year-on-year in 2015. Can you give us a sense of what we should expect in 2016?

  • Robert Kaminski - EVP, COO, and Secretary

  • This is Bob. I think if you look at the metrics of our pipeline and what we're doing in each of our markets, I think you could look for a year that would be very similar to 2015 in terms of the loan growth potential that's out there. Obviously we still have some good boost coming from construction draws and projects that we committed to and closed during 2015, and that will certainly help.

  • We also have some very nice opportunities that we're seeing in all of our markets, and most significantly here in Grand Rapids; down in Kalamazoo as well; in West Michigan, on the commercial industrial side; as well as some high-performing commercial real estate types of projects as well.

  • So, we're seeing opportunities in all segments of the portfolio there on the commercial side. And if I had to frame 2016 as we see it here today, it would be a similar potential year that we had, from the looks of 2015.

  • Matthew Forgotson - Analyst

  • And just staying there for a second, can you give me a sense of the marginal spread on the new production -- the yield on a blended basis, less the incremental funding costs? Trying to get a sense of how that relates to your core margin and the dynamics there.

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • Matt, that's a loaded question. This is Chuck. And obviously we use a pretty -- we use a formalized loan pricing model for our commercial loans that, as you might expect, takes a lot of items into account, obviously the cost of funds, incremental cost of funds. Certainly the credit quality of the loan plays a significant role; additional services and products that they may use. Certainly their deposit relationship comes into play as well.

  • We haven't changed the pricing model. Obviously the cost of funds adjusts, and we make some tweaks here and there. But the pricing model we came up with several years ago now has served us very, very well.

  • So, putting all that into perspective, we saw that during 2015 our loan yield was going down about 1 basis point or 2 per month. And I don't think it would go down that aggressive, just the Fed increase has helped us quite a bit there. But if the loan yield, on an overall basis, was to go down 2 or 3 basis points per quarter, at the rates that we're at right now and the environment that we're operating in on a competitive basis, I wouldn't be surprised. And that's what we budgeted for 2016. So I think there will be somewhat of a decline on our loan yield, but not to the degree that it was last year.

  • Matthew Forgotson - Analyst

  • Okay. And then just shifting over to expenses, just at a high level, if you take the $19.3 million of core OpEx in the fourth quarter of 2015 and then you strip out the $675,000 or so of expense savings from the efficiency initiative, back of the envelope suggests expense run rate could dip down towards $18.6 million or so per quarter. How do you reconcile that $18.6 million with the $19 million to $19.5 million guidance that you are projecting per quarter across 2016?

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • A lot of that is just going to be merit increases. Obviously all of our officers get pay raises coming January 1, so we run that through. Obviously our budget went into -- obviously played a role in putting together our guidance. And there's -- the [ever] inflation is out there. So we looked at some of our major contracts, professional services that we use, and tried to make sure that we accounted for those things. So, while there's definitely savings, every year you do have some areas that have increases in them as well.

  • Matthew Forgotson - Analyst

  • Okay. And then just lastly, and then I'll hop out -- in terms of the charge-off provisioning dynamic, is it fair to say that 4Q 2015 is normalized, and that we should expect you to continue to provide for growth here on out?

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • Yes, I gave you my guidance of $0.5 million to $1 million per quarter, and a vast majority of that is reflective of booking the new net loans and the reserve that would come off of that, which, when we do our number calculation, keeps that the reserve to originated loans pretty consistent at just under 1%.

  • Matthew Forgotson - Analyst

  • Thanks very much.

  • Operator

  • John Rodis, FIG Partners.

  • John Rodis - Analyst

  • Actually, I guess Chuck, a question for you real quick on operating expenses. Your guidance of $19 million to $19.5 million, that includes the cost savings of $2.7 million annually. Is that correct?

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • That's correct.

  • John Rodis - Analyst

  • Okay, okay. And then I guess Chuck, maybe another question for you just on the share buyback. I guess you leave around 200,000 shares. Can you talk about your appetite, given where the stock is trading today, around $23? You guys weren't as active in the fourth quarter, and I assume that's just because -- a function of the stock price, and so forth.

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • We've been very, very consistent with how we've operated our stock buyback program throughout 2015, and don't plan to make any changes here in 2016, when our expectations is we'll fully utilize that. We got about $4.2 million left on that plan. We don't want to be the driver of the market. We want to be more opportunistic, and that's what we have been. And you're right on with the nice run that we had in our stock price throughout most of the fourth quarter.

  • We did a little bit of buying towards the beginning of it, but pretty much stayed on the sidelines thereafter; obviously looking at it each and every day. Certainly there's been a falloff in our stock price. And, while it has recovered some today, certainly it's quite a bit below where we saw our stock trading for a good portion of the fourth quarter.

  • So, it seems to us that we've got some opportunity here coming out of our blackout period, starting on Friday, that there could be opportunities to buy some additional shares and continue to utilize that plan that's out there.

  • John Rodis - Analyst

  • Okay. Bob, maybe just a quick question for you on the loan growth. Obviously you guys continue to put up good growth numbers. As far as the growth this quarter, was it fairly granular? Were there any bigger credits? Can you just talk about that a little bit?

  • Robert Kaminski - EVP, COO, and Secretary

  • We had a couple larger credits that funded this quarter. We had some paydowns, and so the net results settled into the numbers you saw. I think the growth that we saw from this quarter came from our West Michigan area, and was really commercial industrial related, in terms of the type of loan. But, as I mentioned earlier, we still have some good opportunities that we we'll see from funding of construction projects that continue to go into the spring months of 2016, and that will provide some boost for us as well.

  • John Rodis - Analyst

  • And when you say a couple of larger credits, can you talk about what sort of size?

  • Robert Kaminski - EVP, COO, and Secretary

  • Like I said, the growth in the West Michigan market was primarily Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo. I think if you look at -- a larger credit was somewhere in the range of $40 million or $50 million on the one credit. And then there was some other significant fundings that made up the rest of the amount.

  • John Rodis - Analyst

  • Okay, so one credit at $40 million to $50 million?

  • Robert Kaminski - EVP, COO, and Secretary

  • Right.

  • John Rodis - Analyst

  • Okay. And can you provide what industry or what category?

  • Robert Kaminski - EVP, COO, and Secretary

  • No, it was commercial industrial in nature.

  • John Rodis - Analyst

  • Okay. Okay, and it was in West Michigan?

  • Robert Kaminski - EVP, COO, and Secretary

  • Right.

  • John Rodis - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks, guys.

  • Operator

  • Eric Grubelich, Bank Investor.

  • Eric Grubelich - Private Investor

  • Just wanted to get a follow-up on two things. One, on the margin guidance -- did I hear you correctly, Chuck, that you were basically saying that your guidance did not include any further increase in rates by the Fed?

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • That's correct.

  • Eric Grubelich - Private Investor

  • Okay, okay. So obviously if there is a further rate increase, assuming that curve doesn't do something crazy, that would be positive?

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • That's correct, as well.

  • Eric Grubelich - Private Investor

  • Okay. And then just for Mike maybe, just going back to the M&A comment, regardless of size of what you might look at, how about geography? Is there any chance that you might move out of Michigan?

  • Michael Price - Chairman, President, and CEO

  • Yes, there's always a chance. We prefer to look at stuff that's within the state, but we have taken some cursory looks at things in some neighboring states. So again, if you look at the purchase price, the dynamics of the company, the mission of the company, its performance, and how it melds with our strategic initiatives, if it's something that fit we certainly would be willing to look at something, most likely in a contiguous state.

  • Eric Grubelich - Private Investor

  • Okay. Yes, the reason why I asked is there are a couple of -- as you know, there were a couple of deals in Wisconsin recently, a small one and a relatively larger deal. So that's why I was curious.

  • Michael Price - Chairman, President, and CEO

  • Yes.

  • Eric Grubelich - Private Investor

  • Okay. Thanks very much.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions). Daniel Cardenas, Raymond James.

  • Daniel Cardenas - Analyst

  • Just quickly, if you could remind me, what are your quarterly cash flows from your security portfolio?

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • That varies quite a bit, depending on the call activity. We did about -- between $2 million and $2.5 million a month, Dan, in mortgage-backed paydowns. Then it's just a matter of -- we got -- the maturity is pretty much a ladder when it comes to the government agency and the municipal bond portfolio. But obviously -- and we got one this morning. Occasionally, we will get calls that are coming in.

  • So, we probably have -- kind of wrap it up for you -- we probably have about $15 million in excess right now. And I would expect to burn through that by the time we get to the mid of the second quarter.

  • Daniel Cardenas - Analyst

  • Okay, great. And then maybe some color on deposit competition right now. Are you seeing anybody starting to get a little bit nervous, and priced a little bit more competitively on the deposit side?

  • Chuck Christmas - SVP, CFO, and Treasurer

  • I think we -- on the non-CD side, no; really haven't seen much deposit rate pressures there. Everybody was, for the most part, pretty much hands-off with the Fed increase of last month. So, haven't seen any changes there, and haven't seen any pickup in competition with those types of products. I think it's probably a little bit early for that, given where rates are still -- obviously historical very, very low.

  • CD rates, we actually started seeing some competition pop up in the second half of last year. It continues. As is typical, it's driven by just a couple different banks that are out there that generally have -- at least the ones that I see -- have some pretty big mortgage operations. So I think they're using, especially the jumbo market and the public unit market, to help fund their warehousing. The credit unions are always tough when it comes to deposit rates, and certainly the CDs tend to lead that.

  • So, I think from a banking perspective, the other community banks out there, our other larger competitors, really haven't seen much on the deposit side at all, from a competitive standpoint.

  • Daniel Cardenas - Analyst

  • Okay. Good, good. And then just one quick question: in your press release, you referenced some recent hires on the commercial lending side. Were these fourth-quarter hires, or were these previous quarters?

  • Michael Price - Chairman, President, and CEO

  • Spread out a little bit in the second half of the year, fourth quarter and prior to that.

  • Daniel Cardenas - Analyst

  • Okay, great. All right, guys, thank you.

  • Operator

  • And this concludes our question-and-answer session.

  • I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Price for any closing remarks.

  • Michael Price - Chairman, President, and CEO

  • Thank you, Laura, and thank you all for your interest in our Company today. We look forward to talking with you again after our first-quarter results.

  • Operator

  • The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.