羅技 (LOGI) 2008 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good morning.

My name is crystal.

I will be your conference operator today.

At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the Logitech third quarter fiscal 2008 earnings conference call.

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After the speakers' remarks there will be a question-and-answer session.

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Mr.

Greenhalgh you may begin your conference.

We'd like to welcome you to the Logitech conference call to discuss the Company's results for quarter ended December 31, 2007.

Third quarter of Logitech's fiscal year 2008.

The press release, a live webcast of this call and accompanying presentation slides are available on-line at Logitech.com.

This conference call will include forward-looking statements that are being made under the Safe Harbor of the Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 including forward-looking statements with respect to future operating results.

The forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from that anticipated in the statements.

Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially include those set forth in Logitech's annual report on Form 20-F dated May 25, 2007, and subsequent filings available on-line in SEC (inaudible) data base and in the final paragraph of the press release reporting third quarter results issued by Logitech and available at Logitech.com.

The press release also contains accompanying financial information for this call.

The forward-looking statements made during this call represent the management outlook only as of today and the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements as a result of new developments or otherwise.

I would like to remind you this call is being recorded including the question and answer portion and will he be available for replay on the Logitech website for those of you just joining us let me repeat the presentation slides accompanying this call are also available on our website.

Joining us are Gerry Quindlen, Logitech President and Chief Executive Officer and Mark Hawkins, Senior Vice President of Finance and Information Technology and Chief Financial Officer.

I'd now like to turn the call over to Mark.

Thanks, Joe.

Let me start with an overview of our record-breaking Q3 performance.

We experienced continued strong demand resulting in double-digit sales growth.

Our sales grew by 13% reaching an all-time high with exceptionally strong growth in OEM and Asia.

We improved our profitability.

Our gross margins increased by 70 basis points compared to prior year and reached an all time high.

Our operating income grew by 17% and our net income, excluding the transactions related to our short-term investments, grew by 18% with both setting a new record.

We continue to improve our cash generation.

We ended the quarter with the highest cash position ever and we generated $177 million in cash flow from operations, a record high for a quarter at Logitech.

Gross margin.

Our gross margins reached an all-time high of 36.9% up from last year's 36.2%.

The gross margin improvement was driven by a combination of ongoing product cost reductions particularly in the fast moving pointing device and keyboard category and supply chain efficiencies.

Faster inventory turns continue to drive supply chain efficiencies which becomes a virtuous cycle for cost improvement.

Operating income grew by 17% reaching a record high for any quarter.

We continue to demonstrate alignment between the growth in our operating expenses and our gross profit.

In Q3 our gross profit grew 122 basis points faster than our operating expenses.

Short-term investments in net income.

Let me give you an overview of the transactions related to our short-term investments which are reported in the other income category.

As we said, during last quarter's call, in early Q3 as part of a confidential settlement we sold 50% of each of the securities in our short-term investment portfolio at par.

That sale resulted in a gain of 33.7 million.

During the quarter we unwound our position for all the corporate debt in our portfolio resulting in a loss of 6 million.

We also wrote down the value of the remaining CDOs in our portfolio by an additional 5.5 million.

As a result, the book value of the remaining CDOs is down to 11 million, and we believe any remaining exposure is very limited.

The net impact of these transactions was a gain of 22.3 million, and they had no impact from a tax perspective.

Now, excluding this gain from our results our net income would have grown by 18% to 111 million which still would have been the best ever net income for any quarter at Logitech.

I should also point out that other income line includes a gain of 2.8 million related to a favorable exchange rate movement and a gain of 1 million for the sale of our io2 Pen business.

Let's move to the balance sheet, cash, our position, including short-term investments, was 510 million.

Our cash increased by 142 million compared to the prior year.

The increase versus the prior year is even more impressive when you consider that during the last 12 months we used 14 million to retire our short-term debt, 22 million for the acquisition of WiLife and 190 million in share repurchases, buying back our shares at an average price of $28.66.

Our cash flow from operations for the quarter was 177 million.

This was an increase of 6 million over last year's record high.

Through the first three-quarters of fiscal 2008, our cash flow from operations was 290 million.

That's up 36% over the prior year.

Our cash conversion cycle reached a record low of just 34 days, a 10-day reduction compared to the previous record set in the same quarter last year.

We achieved improvements in our DSO, our inventory turns and our days payable.

I'm pleased to say this was the fifth consecutive quarter of year-over-year improvement in our cash conversion cycle.

Inventory.

Our inventory was up by only 8%, or $18 million compared to December of the prior year.

Inventory turns improved to 7.4 compared to last year's 7.1.

DSO.

Our DSO was at 54 days for the quarter, a reduction of three days compared to the prior year.

Share repurchases.

During Q3 we repurchased 1.275 million shares for $44.1 million at an average price of $34.55.

We own slightly more than 5% of our shares outstanding.

We have roughly 36 million remaining under our current repurchase program and another 250 million program ready to take effect when the current one is completed.

Now please note that the growth percentages that follow are in comparison to Q3 fiscal 2007.

Now let's discuss net sales by product family starting with retail.

Our retail sales grew by 9% with units up by 3%.

We achieved growth in all regions in the Americas.

We were up by 9% EMEA by 4% and Asia's growth accelerated to 44%.

We experienced strong demand in all regions for our innovative offering in pointing devices, keyboards and remotes.

Our growth in the Americas and even more so in EMEA was significantly restrained by the continued year-over-year decline in webcam sales.

In fact, if we excluded webcams, our retail sales growth would have been 15% in the Americas and 13% in EMEA.

Retail sales pointing devices.

We delivered our best quarter ever in the pointing devices category.

Sales growth accelerated to 23% with units up 13%.

It was our best quarter ever for cordless mice with sales growing by 24% and units by 43.

We experienced very strong growth in the low end of the category in both sales and units.

The low end strength was driven by our notebook mice led by our V-220 cordless optical mouse.

We saw a continued robust growth in the notebook category with sales of our cordless mice for notebooks growing by 62% and units by 91%.

Our high-end VX Nano cordless laser mouse for notebooks made a strong contribution to the growth.

It was our best ever quarter for corded mice with sales up by 20% and units by 1%.

The majority of the growth was driven by our portfolio of gaming mice led by strong sales for our high-end offering, the G-9 laser mouse.

Audio.

Our retail audio sales declined by 2% and units were down by 6% with decline caused by PC head sets and iPod speakers.

The sales of our PC head sets fell by 26% reflecting weakness in both PC and video calling, particularly in the U.S.

Our speaker sales grew by 5% with units up by 15.

Let me give you a little bit more detail on the performance of our speaker category.

Sales of our iPod speakers were down by 30% while units were flat.

The reason for the decline in our iPod speakers sales was primarily a challenging comparable.

Q3 of the prior year was a very strong quarter for our iPod speaker sales, in particular for our mm-50 speaker.

There's good news in audio.

This was our best quarter ever in a much larger PC speaker category with sales growth of 22% and unit growth of 17%.

We achieved growth across all the major PC speaker price bands which I was pleased to see.

On the retail sales keyboards and desktop side we enjoyed our best quarter ever in the keyboard and desktop category with sales up by 32% and units up by 17.

Now stand-alone keyboard sales reached an all-time high growing by 34% with strong growth in both the Americas and EMEA.

Our desktop sales also reached a record high with sales up by 20%.

We achieved growth across all major price bands with particular strength in the high-end and value segment.

We continue to be pleased with the strong sales of our innovative cordless desktop wave.

Our notebook stands also made a significant contribution to our growth in the keyboard category driven by strong demand for Alto Cordless.

Retail sales video.

Webcam sales declined by 31% with units down by 26.

The decline was higher than we expected in both Americas and EMEA, as it's taking longer than we had anticipated to rebuild momentum in this category.

Gaming.

Our retail gaming sales declined by 6% with units down 21%.

Our console gaming sales declined by 10% with units down 24.

The decline was experienced in both game pads and wheels while we did see growth from microphones for singing games in both the Play Station and the Wii.

PC Gaming sales also fell and were down by 4% with units down by 19%.

While most PC Gaming categories were down we did see strong growth in the Wheels with sales up by 31% primarily due to the sales of our G-25 racing wheel.

Remotes.

We were very pleased to achieve our best ever quarter with remotes with sales growth accelerating to 72% and unit growth of 40%.

The strong growth was shared in the Americas and EMEA with both regions up well in excess of 50%.

Our flagship remote, the Harmony 1000, continued to be the primary growth driver in both regions.

Let me shift now to OEM sales.

It was our best quarter ever in OEM with sales growth of 54% and units up by 21.

The vast majority of the growth was in the console gaming category driven by microphones for singing games for the Play Station and the Wii.

Keyboards also made a major contribution it to the growth with sales more than doubling, and our OEM mice sales were also up by 7%.

Now let me wrap up with four key points.

One, it was our best quarter ever for sales, operating income, and net income.

Two, our sales growth was driven by strong demand for our Harmony remotes, keyboards, and pointing devices combined with outstanding performance in OEM.

Three, gross margins reached an all-time high reflecting ongoing product cost reductions and supply chain efficiencies.

And number four, our cash flow from operations reached a record high for the quarter, and on a year-to-date basis was up by 36%, or 77 million, compared to the prior year.

So, before we conclude my comments, I want to let you know that for fiscal 2009 we plan to switch our location of our May and November Investor Meetings between London and New York.

This means that our May Investor Meeting, which is currently scheduled for the 22nd, will be held in New York.

We hope you will be able to join us.

Let me now turn the call over to Gerry.

Thank you, Mark, and thanks to all of you for joining us.

As this is my first earnings call since assuming CEO role on January 1, I'm looking forward to sharing some thoughts on priorities for 2009 and beyond and I will do so in a few minutes.

Let me begin by commenting on our Q3 results.

I'm very pleased with our performance in Q3.

We delivered record sales, profit, and gross margin.

And we generated strong cash flow by continuing to focus on improving effectiveness of our working capital.

There were a number of highlights in the quarter.

This was the sixth quarter in a row where we delivered a significant year-over-year improvement in gross margin.

We were able to achieve this improvement even with a more promotional retail environment and more OEM in the sales mix.

Our strong gross margin continues to provide us with a more powerful source of flexibility and competitive advantage and demonstrates our ongoing focus on leveraging our growing scale.

We saw accelerated growth in our sales of Harmony remotes building on the momentum we established in Q2.

The balanced growth between the Americas and the EMEAs is a good sign that our strategy is working in both regions.

I was especially pleased with our record breaking sales in mice and keyboards.

While our success in these categories is nothing new after 26 years, our impressive growth demonstrates that leadership and investment and innovation stimulate strong demand and supports improved margins.

It was another very strong quarter for sales of our products designed specifically for notebook users.

Our notebook peripheral sales led by the growth in cordless mice and note book stands grew by 59% compared to the prior year.

We also achieved a record-breaking quarter in gaming.

Now, while retail was down modestly, our very strong OEM gaming sales helped drive a total increase of 43% and allowed us to achieve a new quarterly high.

Through the first three-quarters of fiscal 2008 our combined retail and OEM gaming sales have already exceeded the total for all of fiscal 2007.

From a regional perspective I was very pleased with the strong performance in Asia with sales up 44%.

I'm also glad to say that we are back on track in Japan which had a particularly strong quarter.

Now as usual we had our share of speed bumps this quarter where things don't go as well as we would have liked.

We're clearly not pleased with the lack of progress in the webcam category.

We didn't expect a return to growth in Q3, but we had expected to build on the sequential improvement that we saw in Q2 and that didn't happen.

We have lost some market share in EMEA, but the good news is that our share in the Americas has never been higher.

The primary challenge in webcams remains category growth .

With that in mind we will continue to execute our three-point plan that focuses on product innovation, in-store consumer marking, and leveraging partnerships such as the one with Skype that we announced in October.

We expect the benefits from the Skype partnership will accrue over time and we are pleased with the initial response.

We're also excited about the WiLife acquisition that we made last quarter.

The WiLife solution provides an affordable easy to install, easy to use alternative to expensive professional home monitoring services, and it very nicely compliments our existing video business.

The integration of WiLife is nearly complete and we believe that WiLife will make a solid contribution to our video business starting in fiscal 2009.

I would also add that WiLife received a very positive reception from our customers at CES.

Now we had said previously that we expected to return to double-digit growth in webcams by Q4 of the current fiscal year but it's now clear to us that it's going to take longer.

It may be a few more quarters before we see it, but we are confident we will return to double-digit growth during fiscal 2009.

The audio category has delivered consistent double-digit growth every quarter for the last several years and we were disappointed to see the streak interrupted in Q3.

As Mark mentioned the cause for the decline was our performance in PC head sets and iPod speakers.

Remember that the headset category is closely related to video calling, and we believe that the weakness in the webcam category also had a spillover affect on our PC headset sales.

We expect that as the webcam category begins to improve we will also see an improvement in headsets.

The iPod speaker decline was primarily driven by a tough comparable.

The fact is our latest generation of iPod products didn't fair well enough in the highly seasonal December quarter to deliver the growth over the prior year, and this was particularly true of our replacement product for the mm-50 speakers.

Now, the difficult comparable peaked in Q3 and we do believe the worst is behind us.

As you expect, we also plan to improve the strength of our product offerings in this category during the fiscal year, the next fiscal year..

And finally, it bears repeating that this was our best ever quarter in the largest segment of the audio business, PC speakers, with sales up 22%.

I was very encouraged by the strong showing of our Squeezebox products which grew significantly versus a year ago, albeit from a small base.

Let me shift away from Q3 results and talk about CES.

As you know we introduced several new product at CES that will begin shipping this quarter.

I'm obviously excited about all of them but I wanted to highlight the three that I think provide the best example of the increasing emphasis we're placing on the digital home.

The diNovo Mini is a stylish palm-size wireless keyboard that makes it it easy to control PC entertainment from the sofa.

We designed this for the increasing number of people that have connected their PC to their TV.

The Squeezbox Duet, features an innovative controller which includes a full-color LCD screen and a compact receiver, enabling people to wirelessly browse, select, and play their digital music from the palm of their hand, on their existing stero speakers anywhere in the home.

And finally, the Harmony One, it's our newest advanced universal remote and it makes controlling home entertainment even easier with a full-color touch screen, intuitive button layout and exceptionally comfortable user friendly design.

This remote, priced at $249, is the result of our most comprehensive research and development undertaken ever.

We asked our customers how we could improve their experience using our remotes and the final product reflect their input.

Upon introduction at CES each of these products received multiple awards and enthusiastic reviews.

All are focused on taming the complexity of the digital home by simplifying user experience while also giving increased convenience and user control.

The success of Harmony remotes demonstrates that this combination has provided us with a strong competitive advantage and we plan to build on it in the future.

I had the opportunity to spend time with many of our customers at CES.

I was clearly pleased to hear their positive reaction to all of our new product.

They recognize the value we bring in addressing the digital home and they are looking forward to continuing partnering with us as we expand our offerings in this space.

I do want to briefly share some of the key areas that I intend to focus on in my new role of CEO.

I obviously have a number of strategic priorities but driving continued profitable double-digit growth is absolutely at the top of the list.

There are several supporting priorities that I have to ensure this happens.

Product innovation is clearly the key to that growth and this is the area that will continue to receive a significant amount of our attention.

I am committed to managing our resources to ensure that our product teams have the funding they need to develop our future products.

The Logitech brand continues to serve us well in numerous markets around the globe but there's definitely room to take it further.

I'm excited about the number of opportunities we see to increase the value of our brand from a competitive, channel partner, and consumer experience perspective.

In addition to leveraging the still sizable growth opportunities in the more mature markets in the U.S.

and Europe, taking advantage of the significant opportunities in emerging markets is another key to our future growth.

We have established a very solid presence in hot growth areas such as eastern Europe, Asia, and Latin America, and the results in recent quarters have validated our strategy.

I'm confident we will continue to benefit from our ability to tailor our approach to these markets to match their various stages of market development.

Finally, acquisitions.

Acquisitions have have played an important role in our growth and we will continue to as we move forward.

Last year's acquisition of WiLife was the most recent example of an acquisition where we believe we can add substantial value.

The strength of our balance sheet gives us the flexibility to act whenever we identify a target that we believe we can leverage to increase shareholder value over the long-term.

That brings me to our outlook starting with the current fiscal quarter.

The macro economic picture is obviously received a great deal of attention in the media in recent weeks.

What we saw in Q3 and still see today as well is sustained strong demand for our products, especially those that feature meaningful innovation.

In fact, if you look at our Q3 results the substantial growth in mice, keyboards, and the relatively high-priced Harmony remotes offerings compelling evidence that there's strong demand in the market for our products.

Where the demand has actual been weaker is in categories such as iPod speakers or PC head sets where we believe a less than enthusiastic response by consumers to the innovation in those products rather than macro economic conditions was the primary cause of the slowdown.

That has been our experience in the past, and we don't expect it to be different as we move forward in the current environment.

In the near-term, we do see several positive signs.

Our retail bookings through the first two weeks of the quarter are well ahead of the same period last year.

We also see evidence that channel inventory levels are quite reasonable for this time of the year.

Therefore, for the full fiscal year we continue to target 15% growth in sales.

And we've increased our operating income target -- income growth target from 20% to more than 20%.

We continue to expect that our gross margin will be above the high-end of our long-term target range of 32 to 34%.

For fiscal 2009, which ends on March 31, 2009, we've established preliminary targets of 15% growth in both sales and operating income.

Now naturally our first order of business is to focus on the current quarter and on achieving the targets for the current fiscal year that I've just shared with you.

Once fiscal 2008 is behind us, we will discuss in more detail the expected product and operational drivers of our fiscal 2009 performance.

In summary, Q3 was our best quarter ever, and it clearly demonstrated the power of our diversified portfolio from a product and a regional perspective.

We're pleased at the value of our market leading innovation combined with our ability to align our operating expense growth with our gross profit growth has positioned to us exceed our original full year target for operating income growth.

I look forward to a successful conclusion to fiscal 2008.

So at this point I'd like to open the call to your questions.

I've actually asked Guerrino to join Mark and I.

Feel free to ask any one of the three of us a question.

Please follow the instructions of the operator.

With that I will turn the call back over to the

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Your first question comes from the line of Ted Chung with Bear

Great, thank you.

You mentioned the overall macro demand seems to be pretty healthy.

How much confidence do you have in that outlook going forward as there's a lot of data points coming in that points to a potential slowdown?

Ted, I missed the last part of the question.

Yes, the number of data points coming in that raises concerns about potential slowdown in consumer demand for the U.S., how much confidence do you have about your full-year outlook, especially for fiscal year '09?

Well, our fiscal 2008 outlook is what we said it was, and for 2009, I'd repeat what I said, which is these are preliminary targets.

At this point we feel confident in sharing it with you.

Our first order of business is to focus on, concluding 2008, and the guidance is the guidance at this point.

I guess the other way to ask is, are you building in some conservatism regarding fiscal year '09 outlook, just given the macro conditions?

Ted, I think, the thing that I would say is just that we try to fully comprehend everything we understand in the marketplace right now when we do that.

You know how we tend to operate.

We take our responsibilities to the shareholders very, very seriously.

But I think this is our -- this is our estimate at this point.

I would say also that when we look at the full current scenario, keep in mind, in particular the resilience of our business model and how that tends to do fairly well over the last 10 years.

In fact, we're on course to post double-digit sales growth for the 10th year in a row through a lot of different cycles and economic events and that type of thing.

So we think it's a resilient model.

We think we have a good road map.

We think we have a good market space.

Just reaffirms the points Gerry made.

just one additional question.

Given that product innovation is key to your product success, how many products should we expect in terms of new product launches this year?

Ted, I would say that it's going to be consistent with what we've done in previous years, and then on top of that, remember that we've acquired WiLife, so that's on top of what we would normally do.

It will be a normal year for us with a lot of exciting new products.

Thank you, guys.

You're welcome.

Your next question comes from the line of Loric (Sabotia) with Cheurvreux.

Good afternoon.

Question on Europe.

Is the weakness we saw lead you to the webcam division, or do you see a downturn in European consumption and also in the U.S.

Do you see a different consumer consumption to trend during the two last weeks of December?

And may second question will be on cash.

I am quite impressed by the amount of cash you had at the end of Q3, what will you use it for?

I will comment on the first part, and I'll ask Mark to comment on the cash piece.

Relative to Europe I refer to something that Mark called out in his remarks which is that our demand in Europe, or our business in Europe, if you look beyond webcams, or excluding webcams, was up 13%.

We had very strong demand for mice, for keyboards, and for Harmony remotes.

So without a doubt webcams restrained the growth in Europe and in the Americas but fundamentally we saw very solid demand for core products like mice, keyboards, and Harmony remotes.

And there were other categories where we saw very solid growth and our emerging markets are doing very well in Europe and the other part relative to the Americas is very similar story.

Our growth in the Americas would have been about 15% excluding web webcams, so webcams restrained our growth there as well, but very strong demand in the Americas for mice keyboard and Harmony remotes.

Mark you want to comment on the cash question.

Sounds great.

Yes, we really have two primary priorities for our cash that we've had as a company.

The first thing, obviously, would be to fund the business.

And that's kind of business as usual.

The second thing that I would say that we think is very strategic is to be able to use this for M&A.

We've shown this year, for example, with WiLife that we're willing to do that.

That actually thirdly we think share buyback is proving to be a great thing for our investors and so we think certainly the M&A and the share buyback are very strategic use of our cash.

I might also want to call out this is a great thing, it's a great time to have a strong cash generation process, to after record cash conversion cycle.

It's a great strategic situation to be in, in today's environment.

Just to have a rock solid balance sheet because it gives us some very strategic flexibility.

And so we think that's good and that will help us in the days to come.

Your next question comes from the line of John Bright with Avondale Partners.

Thank you.

Good morning.

Good afternoon.

Gerry, the webcam market continues to lag.

What do you believe may jump-start adoption of webcams?

Yes, good morning, John.

We're clearly, as I said in my remarks, disappointed that it's taking longer than we expected for the webcam category to recover.

But I would go back to what we're saying all ago.

We're absolutely convinced about the viability of the category and that the three-point plan is the right approach.

We're focused on three things.

Continued product innovation.

In-store consumer marketing and communication, and leveraging partnerships like the Skype partnership that we announced in October.

Without a doubt the biggest challenge is speaking to the consumer in store.

I think we continue to do a great job on the product innovation side.

We've introduced a number of innovative product in fiscal 2008.

We have a great lineup for 2009.

And it's mostly about -- really at this point it is all about category development.

The share situation looks fine overall.

Channel inventory in webcams look fine overall.

Neither one of those are the major issue.

It's really just about category development.

You think it's going to be an ease of use case where it's embedded within the desktop package or the laptop itself that helps people start to use the webcams more that might drive the Logitech aftermarket sales?

Ease of use is definitely one of the areas where we're focused on continuing to improve the experience.

So without a doubt that will help.

But we continue to believe that the biggest challenge we have at this point is just talking to the consumer in-stores getting the message across, helping them understand the excitement in the category and the value that we bring in some of our offerings.

Mark, couple questions for you.

One, gross margins continue to perform very well.

What's the sustainability of that as we look forward?

Well, firsts of all, John, we are very pleased about the gross margins and what's driving that.

Again, just a strong improvement with our pointing devices, our keyboards.

Some of the things that really nice year on year improvements, supply chain efficiencies, so we're pleased about the performance and the strategic flexibility that gives us.

In terms of going forward, in terms of the range of gross margin that we are going to talk about in FY '09, kind of our philosophy is let's finish up strong in the current year, then when we get to the IR day, our classic approach, we'll get into even more detail on the makeup of the optics of the P&L but we're very pleased at the position we're in right now with gross margin.

Okay.

Then the normalized tax rate adjusting for the unusual items in this quarter, Mark?

I think exactly right, John.

That's closer to the guidance we gave you of 12ish% for that if you normalize that.

So the way to do that is just take out the gain on the short-term investments, and if you pull that away and look at the calculation that's pretty much what our normalized GAAP tax rate.

So, Guerrino, how is operational retirement?

I am participating as actively as Gerry lets me.

I'm establishing my routine, and I'm very thrilled and I hope I can continue to contribute.

It eats kind of awkward for me to sit down quiet at a conference call like this but I thank you for allowing me to open my mouth.

I usually keep my mouth shut.

So thank you.

Thank you, guys.

He's doing well, John.

Just answered your question.

Your next question comes from the line of Manny Recarey with Kaufman Brothers.

Good morning.

If I can ask the gross margin question in another way, as we look forward is there anything that we can see where the gross margin would kind of contract again?

Anything on the horizon we should be concerned about that you can see where it begins to pull in to the last four or five quarters it's been at the top if not above the range that you give.

Yes, I'll start, Mark.

You can add some comments if you like.

We're obviously very pleased with where we are, as Mark said.

We're constantly looking at our gross margin performance versus our business model targets of 32 to 34% and we continue to work on the things that really drive the gross margin up which are, number one, product innovation, and number two, using our growing global scale and manufacturing and supply chain to continue to drive our costs down.

Those two things are obviously working very well.

We will continue to drive those as hard as we continue.

And at this point, we will continue to evaluate our long-term targets, and the only thing that would make us revise our targets for the long-term would be if we saw sustained delivery of gross margin in this range for a significant period of time.

We would revise it up.

At this point, we're very pleased that it gives us the competitive flexibility that it does, and I'll leave it at that, Mark.

I don't know if you want to comment.

Maybe one last point to add to Gerry's comments.

John, the thing that we think about, to Gerry's point on the strategic flexibility, when you think about FY '09, Gerry's outlined the guidance for the year, for FY '09 there's a lot of moving parts.

We'll use gross margin as part of the bigger picture to make sure that we deliver the outlook that Gerry talked about for FY '09.

So it gives us the strategic flexibility, but again, that's not end game.

The end game is to deliver the higher level expectations that Gerry has called out.

The only thing I'd add on top of that is our fixation has always been on driving the top line and maximizing gross profit dollars.

And that's really what we're fixated on.

We're doing obviously a good job of that, we're pleased by that and that's what we'll continue to focus on.

Okay.

And one other question if I can turn to the audio segment.

If I understand correctly part of the problem was just the difficult comparison year-over-year.

As I look out for the next three-quarters, comparison maybe a little easier in the March quarter, but in the June and September quarter, yet strong very growth in both of those quarters.

So kind of what type of comfort do you have that the growth is not going to, in the audio segment, June and September quarter, kind of drop off again because of the tough comps?

Just so a little bit of context, last year, biggest quarter ever for sales of our mm50, iPod speaker, which is the best selling speaker we've ever sold, so that was a primary driver, but I'd also point out that the biggest segment of the audio business which is PC speakers had another record quarter, up 22%, so that's the most telling comment about the overall health of the audio segment.

The other thing is PC head sets dragged the overall performance down and PC head sets are clearly tied to the restrained recovery in webcams.

As webcams recover we're absolutely convinced that PC head sets will recover.

We're very bullish obviously on the long-term prospect for the PC speaker category, which is the biggest piece of the overall segment.

We have a great lineup for iPod speakers in 2009 and that's the number one thing always for us, is product innovation to drive category growth.

Okay.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Simon Shaffer with Goldman Sachs.

Thank you very much.

I was wondering if you could share with us what percentage of the product portfolio is now more than $100 and perhaps how that compares over the years.

It seems to have gone up a significant amount.

Actually, Simon, the actual portfolio itself, if you look at the number of SKUs and price points between the $10, the $20, the $30, 40, all the way up to 100 and over 100, large that has been unchanged.

We've had some very high profile higher than $100 items that people love to talk about.

At CES, people were just swarming looking at that and the excitement and they value the innovation that we're delivering at that level which has really been a lot of fun.

You can look at the Harmony 1000, the diNovo Edge, you can look a t just a lot of examples, our G-25 steering wheel.

People love some of the higher end products but the reality of the SKUs and what's driving our revenue long-term I think has been quite stable.

Simon, two of the best performing SKUs in the quarter, the VX Nano mouse, this is our newest that has a micro receiver, the VX Nano mouse and then the V220 Optical Mouse were both product that are much more mass adoption products.

So we continue to innovate across the series of price points.

Quite honestly.

I could even some of the other -- when you look at some of the things that we're really exciting, too, the VX Nano as Gerry talked about , the V220, we're getting the whole spectrum of response to the

Even if the hasn't changed in terms of percentages, what type of proportion of your sales is more than $100?

We don't actually get to that level of detail that we disclosed consistently, but it really has not changed materially at all.

Understood.

My second question would be your -- you referred to some of the perhaps risk to product categories that have been bundled with webcams.

Is there any other product categories that typically tend to get bought in a bundle along side a webcam just like PC headset sales?

No, I would say no.

My final would be would be just on gross margin, just to follow up, what impact did you see because of the Euro to Dollar FX move in the quarter?

Simon, we've kind of taken a consistent position on this, that we -- you know we introduce product with a fairly current life cycle regularly, and that kind of tends to create a global pricing effect and we constantly are having new product come into the market and come in at new current exchange rates.

We've never described foreign exchange as a big helper or hindrance to our business, and we're consistent with that.

So we've never disclosed in more detail than that but I think you can see with our global pricing, number one.

We've shown in that the investor day presentation very analytically, how that works, then secondly I know you've tracked us for a long time.

We've never made the quarter or not made the quarter because of foreign exchange.

Great.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Yates with Merrill Lynch.

Hi, Gerry.

You've mentioned a couple times about the three ways of turning around that webcam business.

I assume you already have a new product in the channel and for about a year now you've been trying to readdress the marketing spend so effectively are you now pinning all the hopes on the Skype venture?

No.

It's -- it really is about all three dimensions.

Product innovation, in-store marketing and leveraging partnerships.

Frankly the Skype partnership which was announced in October is really just getting started.

We're very -- the early reception , early feedback is very good, but it takes a little while to get these things ramped up.

And I would actually say the biggest challenge continues to be in-store communication.

But it is primarily an issue of category development.

As I mentioned to an earlier -- in response to an earlier question the channel levels look fine, market share situation overall is fine.

It's primarily about category growth.

It's not the kind of thing that is instantaneous.

It takes awhile to communicate and get the message out and build awareness and get word of mouth out there, trial.

It takes some time.

But with we're absolutely committed to the category long-term and we believe it's going to remain a great category for us.

The WiLife acquisition is a wonderful compliment to the overall category and as I said we believe we will return to growth in

And just as a sort of follow-on can you go through in perhaps a bit more detail what you think has gone on in PC head sets and what consumers' issues with that method of communication appears to be?

I think PC headsets, that pretty straightforward.

Primarily the linkage to webcams and the softness in that category is spilling over into PC head sets.

We really don't think it's a whole lot deeper than that.

So effectively are we saying the consumers aren't so much interested in either audio or video communication over the Internet, and if I struggle to see how the Skype joint venture is going to address this.

I would not reach that conclusion at all.

We absolutely -- first of all, the research that we continue to do about the viability of individual products and the power of this category and its benefits, communication connection, et cetera, the research is very compelling and tells us that this is a very powerful category for consumers, and this will be a great category for us for a long time.

So we absolutely believe that this is a great business for us, and it's fog to take us a little while to turn it around.

Perhaps one last one for, Mark.

A bit of a hypothetical one, but you mentioned that it was a more promotional retail environment, the other question alluded to, a data points suggesting the consumer is getting weaker and weaker.

If we were to say that your sales growth next year was only going to be 5 to 10% can you limit operating expense growth in line with this?

First of all, hypothetical, I totally respect your kind of scenario from that standpoint.

I would kind of draw it back to the following points.

We're on our 10th year of double-digit growth as a company, and I think there's -- at least historically speaking our molds showed real resilience through the .com era, through the 9/11 era , through growing through the German market when consumer market was tough.

I think the current environment, different people have different interpretations of that Our model, the resilience, the portfolio, its performed in a very nice way so I want you to understand that our mentality is all-around growth, as Gerry called out, and that's our intention and our focus.

From that standpoint.

And we're excited about our market share, we're excited about the road map.

Yet we're ever mindful of the environment as well.

But we are about growth as a company.

Secondly, though, let's step back away from that and address the question differently.

Do we have good discipline on our operating expenses and the ability to toggle our operating expenses with gross margin?

I would say that year after year we've demonstrated that if our gross margin is growing at X dollars we're able to have our operating expenses less than that over time, we've shown great discipline and agility to be able to adjust those two, so I hope that our investors are confident that there's a strong level of control on that and that that modulation has worked beautifully historically speaking.

So growth, resilient model, market space exciting, and also the discipline on the operating expense side.

Does that get kind of the gist of what you're trying to get

Sure.

Essential, how much of your marketing and R&D is what I would call flexible?

Well, I'm not -- probably we don't have time to go too deep on the fixed versus variable, and I don't know that we've disclosed in that great detail, but here's what I would do, Matthew, is go back and look at FY '06, FY '07, and any of the quarters in this period, and you'll see real variation, especially if you go back and look at FY '07, in the early periods when we had gross margin dollars growing at a pump slower pace, our operating expenses were toggled down there.

When you look at when we expand we're able to capitalize and invest in the business one of the things I'm moved pleased about we're able to post profits and invest in the business and yet still be disciplined.

I think if you go back and look over the last couple of years I think you will a real fact basis supports this agility, this discipline, to both invest for our future but also be tempered and controlling our spending.

Okay, thanks for taking the question.

You bet.

Your next question comes from the line of Tavist McCourt with Morgan Keegan.

Good morning, guys.

Three questions.

First on the Squeezebox Duet is this going to be a global distribution ramp and how does that compare to the distribution you have for the Squeezebox product today?

Squeezebox -- our Squeezebox products have primarily been focused on Europe and the U.S., and Duet will be the same.

We're selling Squeezebox in Asia, but it's primarily been a focus on the U.S.

and Europe, and we're very pleased with the progress we're making.

But the Squeezebox today has already been distributed throughout U.S.

and EMEA?

And EMEA, a and frankly in Asia but it's just small in Asia.

In terms of the OEM business, obviously a very strong quarter this quarter, driven by gaming, how sustainable is that just to kind of set expectations?

I know a lot of those programs are relatively short-term in nature but I don't know how aggressively you guys are going to work to win more of those in the future.

Yes, a couple things.

First of all, we've been very pleased with the performance in our OEM business in total.

Without a doubt, the sale of microphones for the singing games has driven a lot of the growth but in fact we had very strong growth across OEM, including in our core product , so it's been a good product across the board.

We're probably at the peak of the microphone opportunity, but there will be other opportunities going forward, and so the micro phones will be less of a driver in our OEM business going forward.

But I'd go back to what I said at the beginning.

What we're really pleased about is that we've also seen strong growth in mice and keyboards, our core

Is there webcam in the OEM business at this point?

There are.

We continue to compete aggressively in that segment as well.

Is it enough business in that business where it's offset the declines the last few quarters in the retail business?

For webcam?

We're not going to get into that level of disclosure at this point but I think to Gerry's point, we think that while we're competing very, very effectively in this particular area, and we think that this is part of our future.

Great.

A final one for you, Mark.

In terms of cash conversion cycle, fabulous job improving that over the last couple of years.

I presume your answer is going to be there's always room for further improvement, but is there room for significant further improvement from here or is most of the low hanging fruit done in that regards?

First of all, thank you, Tavist on behalf of the whole team here.

We are please to see the improvement this year, again a record low of 34 days over last year's record.

If you go back a couple years, you were at 71 days, down to 34 days, so we're making real progress.

I see no structural reason why we cannot continue to make progress on the cash conversion.

We've talked about being attentive to this for the last couple years.

This we're excited, committed and focused and we think this is an important pillar that creates an important flexibility that Gerry talked about, certainly puts us in rock solid position for our balance sheet.

Great, thanks a lot.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Andy Hargreaves with Pacific Crest.

Hi, guys, just wondering if you can give us how big note back accessories are now as a percent of the mix.

I don't think we give out that information.

I can refer back to one of the comments during, I think it was during my presentation, which was that we had a great quarter in notebook peripherals, 59% growth year-on-year so we continue to make great progress in that overall segment.

I can remind you what's included in notebook peripherals, the way we look at it.

Includes of course, cordless mice, notebook stands, webcams for notebooks, speakers targeted specifically for notebooks.

It's a great segment, growing very nicely and we're very pleased with the 59% growth in the quarter.

Are you just finding that with notebook accessories that the purchasing behavior is any different than with desktop accessories and what I mean by that are people, since it doesn't come with a notebook or a stand alone keyboard buying those at the time of purchase or is it still a follow-on buy?

It's a good question.

Consumer behavior varies.

A number of consumers buy at the time of purchase.

But we also know that we also have good data on the percentage of consumers that come back in 30 and 60 and 90 days.

And so we work with our retailers to leverage that information in terms of our in-store marking, our consumer messaging, and our merchandising programs.

But the real answer is consumer behavior varies.

Okay.

Just on WiLife, what is the distribution channel there going to be?

Is it going through your traditional retail channels?

We're really just starting to establish that and, yes, they will absolutely -- those product will absolutely be sold through a number of our core retail channel partners.

We had very good reception at the CES show from our customers for the product lines, and they think it's a great acquisition on our part, and they see that it's a very small segment today but they see the opportunities that we see, and they're very excited about partnering with us to help grow it.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Foeth with Bank Vontobel.

Yes, good morning, gentlemen.

Good morning.

A question on the OEM success again.

How much is the success in OEM related to the success in Asia?

Or put it the other way around, was OEM so strong because it was strong in Asia or was that a wrong conclusion?

I don't know that we would actually draw any of those kinds of conclusions, Michael.

Good question We typically haven't kind of gone in that way.

Okay.

Question on WiLife.

You mentioned the WiLife expense.

Could you repeat that again for the quarter?

One thing I just would say, just kind of think about your question more, they really are totally disconnected between OEM and Asia, kind of going deeper on your question.

We don't get into too many particulars there but we think those two are totally disconnected, just to tie off on your question.

Then WiLife.

Yes, just the expense on the cash side that you had for the WiLife acquisition?

In terms of the total spend we had?

Yes.

We paid $22 million for it.

Okay.

You mentioned, Gerry, that you're going to use part of your cash pile for further acquisitions.

Should we continue to expect these small type of acquisitions, or given that the cash pile that you have can we also look at larger acquisitions?

The first think I'd say is that we're pleased about the cash position because it gives us flexibility not only for acquisitions but frankly for market development, for driving our brand, one of the other priorities, the and certainly it gives us additional flexibility relative to acquisitions.

Guerrino has said, and I have said, it bears repeating, our approach to acquisition has been and continues to be that our focus is not on size per say.

It is always on can a particular acquisition that we're looking at create value for the shareholder.

That is first and foremost the criteria that we use more than any other.

We are always looking at other things such as, can we bring our points of difference to bear, can we leverage our points of difference with this particular acquisition, again, regardless of size.

Those points of difference are the ability to leverage global distribution, global brand, our strength in product innovation and engineering, and then culture fit.

Those are the things we look at.

We look at a range of acquisitions in terms of size, and we have in the past and we will continue as we go forward, and the ultimate criteria will be do we think it can meet those parameters that I outlined and can we create value.

Okay.

Thanks.

My final question would be just to make sure that we should not expect any further impairments or other expenses related to the short-term portfolio.

Is that correct?

I would say that you should expect -- our anticipation is no further impairments, very limited exposure, and just to give you a sense, out of the 510 million in cash and short-term investments 50 million is cash, .

To give you a sense.

Yes, sure.

Okay.

Thanks a lot.

Absolutely, Michael.

We can take one last

Your next question comes from the line of Thomas Schneckenburger with UBS.

Good morning, everybody.

My question is related as well to your excellent job in supply-chain management, triggering this improvement in cash conversion cycle.

This leads me to two questions actually.

Gerry mentioned concerning gross margin the two main drivers are supply chain efficiencies, second one, product innovation and product mix.

So your gross margin target of 32 to 34% for now couple years known, at that time supply chain efficiency was completely different.

So in order to be at the lower level of this range of 32% gross margin something must go wrong with the product mix or innovation cycle.

IS this right?

The second one is related to the use of your 500 million but not referring to acquisitions, but if cash conversion cycle and cash generation from operation is sustainable, shouldn't we see a major share buyback going forward?

So let me take the first part.

Just to clarify what I hope I said, what I think I said, that really the two main drivers of gross margin over the long-term are, first and foremost, product innovation is because that's the best measure of our effectively we are creating innovation or we're delivering innovation that consumers are willing to pay for.

So without a doubt, gross margin we look at as the best metric for how effectively we're innovating.

So our product innovation effectiveness drives it.

And secondly, it's frankly our total operating cost.

Supply chain is a piece of it.

So is our manufacturing cost.

As we continue to grow our scale, we focus on bringing those costs down, not only in supply chain but also in manufacturing costs.

And we're working hard on those and we're doing well.

In terms of, to go back to the 32%, yes, something would have to go wrong, but what I would say to you is, we're in very competitive categories.

We don't know what -- how our competitors are going to behave.

There's -- it's a very fluid situation is and if we see sustained performance for, I don't know, maybe four more quarters at the high-end, we'll revise our business model target from 32 to 34%.

We look at it right now as it's a great source of competitive flexibility and I'll refer back to what I said earlier.

Our real fixation is on maximizing top line and maximizing gross profit dollars.

We pay a lot of attention to gross margin because it it's the best measure of how effectively we're innovating, but our real fixation is maximizing gross profit dollars and maximizing the top line.

Your second question was about cash , I

Let me take that, and so you're right, certainly the cash conversion cycle is generating a lot of cash, and has an impact on share buyback.

If you look at our share buyback year-on-year through Q 3, you'll see that the amount that we're doing in terms of shares is up substantially in terms of our buyback.

We certainly think that we'll continue to look out for the best interest of the shareholder with our share buyback.

We think it's a great thing.

It has been historically.

You should expect more of that, Thomas, in the future.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We've reached our allotted time for questions and answers.

Mr.

Quindlen, are there any closing remarks?

No, I would just like to thank you all for joining us.

We look forward to successful conclusion to 2008 and, once again I thank all of you for taking the time to join us.

This concludes today's conference call.

You may now disconnect.

Thanks.