Kennametal Inc (KMT) 2017 Q2 法說會逐字稿

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I would like to turn the conference over to Kelly Boyer, Vice President of Investor Relations.

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Thank you, Denise

Welcome, everyone and thank you for joining us to review Kennametal's second quarter fiscal year 2017 results.

We issued our quarterly earnings press release yesterday evening and it is posted on our web site.

I'm Kelly Boyer, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Joining me on the call today are Ron DeFeo President and Chief Executive Officer; Jan Kees van Gaalen Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Chuck Byrnes President Industrial Business Segment; Pete Dragich President, Infrastructure Business Segment and Marty Fusco Vice President Finance and Corporate Controller.

Ron and Jan will discuss the December quarter operating and financial performance as well as our outlook for fiscal year 2017 and we'll be referring to the slide deck posted on our website.

After their prepared remarks, we'll be happy to answer your questions.

At this time, please direct your attention to our forward-looking disclosure statement.

Today's discussion contains comments that constitute forward-looking statements that involve a number of assumptions, risks and uncertainties that could cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by those statements.

These risk factors and uncertainties are detailed in Kennametal's SEC filings.

Also we'll be discussing non- GAAP financial measures on the call today.

Reconciliation to GAAP financial measures that we believe are most directly comparable can be found at the back of the slide deck and on our form 8-K on our web site.

With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Ron.

Thank you, Kelly.

Happy belated New Year celebration to everyone and Chinese New Year to some.

Thank you for your interest in Kennametal today.

Let me begin on page two of the slides posted on our web site.

Our second quarter fiscal year 2017 shows improving results.

Overall, we posted year-over-year total company organic sales growth of 2% for the quarter and improving operating margins in all of our segments.

That organic sales growth was the first quarterly consolidated organic growth in over two full years.

We're on track with our various cost reduction and growth initiatives and it is those initiatives that are driving our performance.

The reported GAAP EPS for the quarter was $0.9 a share versus a loss per share of $2.12 in Q2 last year.

Included in the quarter is $12 million of pre-tax restructuring charges, mostly related to the ongoing reductions in force announced in mid-calendar 2016.

Adjusted earnings per share for the quarter increased by 50% to $0.24 versus $0.16 cents in Q2 fiscal year 2016.

This quarter's results show improvement in a number of areas including organic sales.

Let me turn to slide three to discuss that a little bit more.

For those of you that attended or viewed the webcast of our investor day in November, this graph will look familiar.

Here, however, we have added quarterly numbers as well as updating the monthly numbers.

At the time of our investor day, we reported that on a monthly basis, organic sales growth in September had turned positive for the first time in 24 months.

In Q2 fiscal year 2017, monthly organic sales growth has continued on that positive trend and has, in fact, increased throughout the quarter as shown on the graph.

Overall, the quarterly organic sales growth for Q2 fiscal year 2017 was 2%.

The first quarterly growth as mentioned previously in over two years.

Now turning to slide four a bit more detail on the quarter and the progress being made on both sales and costs.

Some highlights of the quarter were, first, industrial organic year-over-year sales growth of 4% is the highest quarterly increase since the first quarter of fiscal year 2015.

In fact, we think we're outgrowing the market by a bit.

Number two, on infrastructure, adjusted margins improved significantly to 7.9% on flat organic sales.

Number three, WIDIA-- this continues to report improving margins on organic year-over-year sales growth of 5% for the quarter.

With regard to our sales and growth initiatives, we think we're on track with our customer classification programs as well as our product line simplification initiatives.

These are the various initiatives we talked about at our investor day and are critical to help support the cost reduction programs underway and the success of the multi year modernization investment plans.

With regard to the head count savings program, currently we have identified team members corresponding to 90% of the annualized $100 million cost reduction target.

Now we'll provide more details on this initiative later in the call.

Simultaneously, further progress has continued on our modernization plans and continues to come together as expected.

We see the longer term potential for savings unchanged from prior communications.

Turning to slide five and the industrial segment overview.

As in previous calls and previous quarter slides, we've included the revenue splits of the business by geography and end markets and here there really is nothing to report or anything unusual.

As I mentioned, the industrial team posted a quarterly year-over-year organic sales growth of 4%.

Quarterly net sales remain flat due to the offsetting impacts of fewer business days, negative currency impact and divestiture against organic growth.

Regionally, 4% and 7% revenue gains were achieved in the Americas and Asia respectively.

These were partially offset by a decrease in EMEA.

Adjusted operating margin increased slightly to 9% as a result of favorable impacts from incremental restructuring benefits, higher absorption and productivity and organic sales growth.

But these were partially offset by unfavorable impacts of higher performance-based compensation, mix, and currency.

Of note, with regard to end-markets, general engineering led the pack and aerospace continues to be positive.

Consistent with last quarter, we believe stock levels within our indirect channel seem consistent with end-market demand.

So no surprises there.

With regard to our sales execution improvement plans, for those customers that could be better served through the indirect channel, we're working with them and the transition is moving along as planned.

Our customer segmentation work is also progressing allowing us to spend more sales resource time on bigger customer targets.

Finally, we're continuing our work on product life cycle management and making good progress consistent with what we said at our investor day.

For industrial, the key to success lies in both our growth and margin improvement initiatives.

There's a lot more to do and more opportunity.

Turning to slide six on WIDIA.

WIDIA results showed improvements this quarter with year-over-year organic growth at 5%.

The second quarter nevertheless still reported an adjusted margin loss at 1.5%.

But frankly, the trend throughout the quarter was positive and the year-over-year improvement from a loss from last year's loss of 3.8% was meaningful.

We've targeted regional strategies for WIDIA and in this quarter with regard to the regional results, sales in Asia Pacific were particularly strong, increasing 19% year-over-year.

We continue to see the backlog building and order rates have improved, growing plus 40% since July.

On the cost side, WIDIA will benefit from the modernization and product planning work that's being undertaken in the plants by the industrial business segment.

On the sales side, WIDIA's brands are well-recognized and the work that began one quarter ago is starting to show results.

On slide seven we update our infrastructure business.

The split by geography and end markets for the second quarter are as anticipated.

Infrastructure posted organic sales growth in the quarter compared to last year which is the first flat organic sales compared to last year which is the first time in over two years that we did not post negative numbers.

Either with flat organic sales and negative impact from pure business days and mix, adjusted operating margin increased to 7.9% in the quarter versus a 1.1% loss in the prior year quarter.

This is an excellent improvement on the results and reflects the anticipated impact of a number of ongoing improvement initiatives.

Frankly, it is nice to see the hard work of the last year beginning to show in the results.

But there is still much more to come.

First, we see lower raw material costs coming through not only from lower prices but from the work we're doing to strategically source materials.

We also saw higher absorption and productivity improvement and more cost savings as a result.

Of the head count program and three plant closures that were completed or are in the process of being finished.

As with previous quarters, these were partially offset by an unfavorable impact from mix compared to one year ago.

Although compared to last quarter, we are seeing a positive impact from mix.

On that point, with regard to end markets, oil and gas activity remains at the beginning of an improving cycle.

Year-over-year, the average US land rate count in the quarter is still down more than 20%.

However, there's been some improvement each month since May and average US land rig count is up 42% since fourth quarter last year.

Mining remains challenging but some signs of stabilization are beginning to occur.

Construction was down in the quarter due mainly to lower sales in Asia and the Middle East.

Now let me turn it over to Jan Kees van Gaalen who will begin on slide eight with a more detailed financial report.

Thank you Ron.

Good morning, everyone.

As Ron mentioned, our efforts to improve performance on both the sales and cost side began to bear fruit in the December quarter results.

I will be walking through the main components of the income statement beginning with the quarterly results on slide eight.

Please remember that I will sometimes be referring to non-GAAP measures.

Please see our form 8-K and press release for the reconciliations to GAAP.

Our December quarter sales were $488 million compared to $524 million in the same quarter last year.

A 7% decrease.

Fixed percent decrease is due to the impact of divestiture.

2% due to the fewer business days.

And 1% unfavorable currency exchange impact mainly due to the Euro US dollar movement which was offset by some organic growth of 2%.

Sequentially, sales increased $10 million or 2% from the first quarter of fiscal sales of $478 million.

Energy, general engineering, earth works, and aerospace and defense all posted sequential sales increases while transportation remained flat.

From a regional perspective, sales increased in all regions led by Americas then Europe and Asia.

Our adjusted gross profit margin improved in the current period to 30.8% versus 28.2% in the prior year.

Due to the higher fixed cost absorption along with improved productivity, lower raw material costs, incremental restructuring benefits and sales volume growth, offset partially by unfavorable impact from business mix and some targeted pricing actions.

Adjusted operating expense decreased $6 million from $116 million in the prior year to $110 million in the current year.

Primarily due to restructuring benefits.

Adjusted operating expense as a percentage of sales was 22.6% for the current period and 23.5% in the prior year.

On lower adjusted sales, our adjusted operating margins increased significantly year-over-year to 7.3% in the current quarter from 3.8% in the prior year quarter.

For the second quarter of fiscal 2017, adjusted EBITDA was $61 million, up 24% versus $49 million in the prior-year period.

I will review the details of the cash flow later on the call.

Adjusted EPS improved year-over-year to $0.24 cents in the current quarter fiscal 2017 from $0.16 cents per share in the second quarter of fiscal 2016.

In order to gain a better understanding of factors affecting adjusted EPS this quarter, please turn to slide nine for the detailed EPS bridge.

In summary, the increase in adjusted EPS year-over-year affects incremental restructuring benefits, higher fixed cost absorption and productivity, the positive effects of lower raw material costs and sales volume growth.

Partially offset by higher tax rate, the negative impacts of unfavorable mix, price, and higher performance-based compensation increase as well as some unfavorable currency exchange of $0.05 cents per share.

The increase in the adjusted affected tax rate was driven primarily by losses in the US that cannot be tax affected in the current year.

The jurisdictional mix of earnings as well as the effect of the R&D legislation enacted in the prior year.

Turning to the segment information on slide 10.

Industrial segment sales were $267 million in the second quarter, relatively flat compared to the prior year quarter.

Organic growth of 4% was offset by a 2% decrease due to fewer business days and unfavorable currency of 1% and divestiture impact of 1%.

Year-over-year, and excluding the impact of currency exchange and divestiture, the industrial segment sales increased 7% in Asia, 4% in the Americas, offset partially by decline of 2% in Europe.

Sequentially, industrial segment sales remained relatively flat compared to the first quarter fiscal 2017 sales with increases in general engineering and energy offset by decrease in transportation.

On a year-over-year basis for the industrial segment end markets, sales grew in general engineering and aerospace and defense partially offset by continued softness in energy and decreases in transportation.

Aerospace and defense sales grew across all regions driven by higher sales into the aero-engine market.

The general market was faithful in Asia and the Americas and unlike the prior year for those indirect lines where we have visibility, we believe that we did not experience destocking in the indirect channel as sales were generally consistent with end user purchases.

The global transportation market was mixed with favorable conditions in Asia offset by lower sales in the Americas and Europe.

While industrial segment sales into the energy market continue to decline year-over-year, the rate of decline is unrated from the first quarter.

WIDIA segment sales were $43 million in the second quarter.

A 1% increase from $42 million in the prior year quarter.

This was driven by a 5% organic growth and unfavorable business day impact of 3% and unfavorable currency impact of 1%.

Overall, we experienced continuing solid growth in aerospace and defense as well as in transportation and markets.

Destocking seems to have some to an end in most regions.

Year-over-year growth was mainly driven by an increase of 19% in Asia with declines of 4% in the Americas and 2% in Europe although there were some bright spots in certain end markets served.

Sequentially, WIDIA segment sales increased $2 million or 5% from the first quarter fiscal 2017 sales of $41 million.

Sales increased sequentially in Europe and Asia while sales decreased slightly in the Americas.

Infrastructure segment second quarter sales of $177 million decreased 17% from $213 million in the prior-year period.

Driven by the divestiture impact of 14%, unfavorable business day impact of 2% and unfavorable currency exchange of 1%.

This is the first quarter in over two years that the infrastructure segment did not have organic declines.

Sales growth and the energy was offset partially by declines in earthworks and general engineering.

Key energy markets particularly in North America began (inaudible) in the second quarter.

Average quarterly US land recounts were still down year-over-year by 20%.

But having increased from the fourth quarter of fiscal 2016 lows and experiencing increased order intake, our second quarter sales associated with oil and gas in the Americas have increased year-over-year by 13%.

Conditions in underground mining in North America and Asia continue to be challenging with sales declining in both markets year-over-year.

Sequentially, however, there were increases in Asia in underground mining.

Sequentially, infrastructure segment sales increased $10 million or 6% from the first quarter fiscal 2017.

Sequential increases were reported in oil and gas, processing, mining and construction and industrial applications declined slightly.

Now I will provide an update on our restructuring programs.

Details can be found on slides 11 and 12.

As of the end of the quarter, we had identified head count reductions expected to translate to approximately $72 million in annualized savings.

However, we have made further significant progress in the month of January as Ron mentioned, we have currently identified 90% of our head count cost reduction target to date expected to total $90 million in consolidated savings on a full-year run rate basis.

Annualized savings in the second quarter were approximately $40 million.

We have incurred inception-to-date charges of $37 million with this initiative.

Our current expectations include at least an additional $10 million of future charges associated with the head count reduction program.

However, as we have discussed on prior calls, please know that it is likely there that will be additional charges beyond this amount as we move to the full $100 million target in head count cost reductions.

With regards to the other restructuring programs, benefits in the quarter amounted to approximately $14 million or $56 million on an annualized basis.

At completion we expect these programs to yield annualized savings of approximately $75 to $90 million.

Inception-to-date charges of $78 million have been incurred and we still expect total charges to be approximately $115 million.

These benefits from restructuring and cost initiatives are manifesting themselves in current results.

And we expect momentum to accelerate as we make additional progress in executing our plans.

The balance sheet is shown on slide 13.

Our balance sheet reflects important strengths of conservatism for Kennametal.

Cash on hand as of December 31st is $102 million as compared to $162 million last June.

Our current ratio was 2.5 both December 31st and June 30th 2016.

As shown on slide 14, primary working capital was $620 million at December 31, 2016, a decrease of $28 million from $648 million as of June 30th, 2016.

Of which $90 million is due to currency exchange impacts.

Primary working capital as a percentage of sales decreased 160 basis points from 34.3% as of June 30th to 32.7% as of December 31st, 2016, reflecting our continued initiative to efficiently manage working capital.

The positive impacts of decreases in accounts receivables of $31 million and an inventory of $9 million were offset partially by a decrease in accounts payable of $13 million.

As shown on slide 15, second quarter free operating cash flow was negative $1 million.

An improvement compared to the first quarter in fiscal 2017.

Year-to-date, free operating cash flow is negative $20 million.

We expect a second half of fiscal 2017 to produce stronger cash flow consistent with our expected earnings and historical pattern.

The year-to-date free operating cash flow of negative $20 million compares to a positive $48 million in the prior-year period.

The decrease in free operating cash flow was primarily attributable to comparatively lower reductions in primary working capital, lower cash earnings, and higher capital expenditures when compared to last year.

Partially offset by lower tax and pension payments.

With regards to capital spending, net capital expenditures were $67 million year-to-date compared to $57 million for the prior-year period.

Dividends paid out were $32 million, consistent with last year.

Our conservative capital structure and dividends are key importance to Kennametal and we continue our commitment to maintaining them.

Our debt and liquidity positions are shown on slide 16.

At the end of December, our net debt was $595 million with no current outstanding borrowings on our revolver, we have no significant maturities until 2019.

Let's turn to slide 17.

Our outlook remains unchanged.

Our EPS outlook is $1.20 to $1.50 per share on an adjusted basis based on flat sales.

Tax rate is expected to be in the range of 20% to 25% and capital expenditures are still forecast to be in the range of $125 million to $135 million.

Free operating cash flow is still expected to be $90 million to $110 million although we currently expect it to be towards the lower portion of the range.

And with that, I will turn it back over to Ron.

Thank you, Jan Kees.

So to summarize, in two days, it will be one year since I came out of retirement to lead Kennametal.

It has been a busy year.

I think we've made substantive progress.

I want to thank the team for rallying to the needs of our customers, the needs of our shareholders and the needs of each other.

During this time, we've simplified the organization, establishing three integrated profit centers.

We then focused the team on growing the core business by building commercial acumen, lowering costs with immediate costs to structure and process, and building a plan to modernize the company over the next three to four years.

We are at the beginning of this process but solidly underway and aligned.

This is a good business.

But it has the bones of a great business.

In addition to the $90 million in head count reduction costs identified and that are coming out, we have huge simplification initiatives.

We will have over 40% fewer codings, over 50% fewer powder formulations, nearly 20% fewer standard skus, a more balanced channel distribution of customer types, more automated production lines.

And we expect more reliable delivery performance and quality standards to be realized.

Every one of these changes are important and significant.

Taken individually, these are material.

When combined, these drive the kind of doubling of EBITDA that we were aspiring to reach.

And the result will be a much better franchise.

Market forces are more positive today than a year ago.

This is positive but adds complexity to our decisions regarding core and non core processes.

Let me assure you the leadership team knows what to do and is focused on doing it.

For too many years, we talked about what needed to be done and did a little of it.

Today we're trying to let the numbers talk and this is why this quarter means something.

The numbers show progress.

We're not foolish enough to think that we will not hit some bumps along the way.

We believe we are on the correct path toward a stronger and more profitable and agile company.

Now let me open it up for your questions.

Thank you, Mr. Defeo.

(Operator instructions).

Your first question will come from Julian Mitchell of Credit Suisse.

Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Just my first question would be around the organic sales growth guidance.

You showed that slide three with pretty good recovery trend.

Your sales in the first half of the year organically are close to flat.

So I just wondered why you didn't take up at least maybe the bottom end of the sales guide for the year.

To what extent when you look at the Q2 sales do you think you had a boost from perhaps one off factors like year-end budget flush, early buying because of Chinese New Year, this kind of thing.

Frankly, I don't think we have seen much -- we have seen anything with the year-end buying flush as you might have said.

We have had this fiscal year the same forever at Kennametal and to end the calendar year, we've never seen a lot of extra purchasing.

The team here, do you disagree with me?

I see some heads shaking, they agree.

With regard to the overall organic, I think that's an opportunity for us.

But I think as I would say one month does not make a trend.

One quarter does not make a trend.

So we need to have a couple of quarters combined in order to build the level of confidence that organic growth is truly returning to the enterprise.

But I think overall, as I said in my closing comments, we are more positive today than we were a year ago.

And I certainly believe this is an opportunity for us.

But it probably is happening a little bit faster than I thought six months ago.

So we're going to have to balance a number of things as a result of that.

But overall, it is a good problem to have.

Yes, agreed.

Then my second question would just be around some of the moving parts in your EPS bridge.

So for example if I look at slide nine, you have the $0.11 tailwind.

How much of that $0.11 came from raw materials specifically?

And I guess how do you think about the raw material tailwind over the balance of the fiscal year?

We will not split out each and every piece of that but let me say the raw material reduction was meaningful but I would also say it was probably largely offset by price reductions that are built into our infrastructure tied to those raw material changes.

So that's one of the difficult things of explaining Kennametal.

In Pete's business, the infrastructure business, a number of our contracts are with large customers that tie their pricing to raw material market pricing.

So we get the benefit of the raw material reductions but we also have to lower our prices.

There's been a little bit of price erosion in industrial but that's been more than offset by productivity and absorption benefits.

So the net of all of that is the $0.11 gain.

But there's a lot of moving pieces, Julian, as you might expect, within that.

Makes sense.

Thank you.

Okay.

The next question will come from Ann Duignan from JPMorgan.

Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, guys.

Good morning, Ann.

Yeah, I was going to ask about the unfavorable pricing that you mentioned in the release.

Was it all at price give up on contracts with customers or was there any commercial price competition particularly in WIDIA

I would say for WIDIA probably very little commercial price give up.

We're probably -- we've probably been a little bit more aggressive on pricing in our industrial business but that's for business that we haven't had.

So it is not like we're reducing business on existing business.

But that, of course, as I just said, is more than offset by productivity and absorption benefits, that the additional volume gets for us.

Most of the net-net price reductions we have would have come from that infrastructure contracts that are tied to raw materials.

Chuck, do you want to add anything to that?

No, Ann, our pricing strategy has been very strategic focusing on growth customers, investing with growth customers, to get us more competitive in the market.

I think you see with two straight quarters of organic growth, we're very pleased with the results.

Okay, thank you.

Appreciate the clarity.

And in New York, you reported negative growth in all segments.

Is that -- should we be concerned that we're losing market share in Europe given the strength we've seen in pmi?

Could you just give us a little bit more clarity for each of the segments in Europe.

Yeah, Ann.

As I look in our European business I would say we are not really concerned we're losing market share in Europe.

I would say Europe is flat or slightly down for us.

And even for our competition, we think it is probably in the same place.

And within a-- percentage point or two variation as best we can determine.

I think we're following the market in Europe.

I think our growth initiatives are taking perhaps a little bit longer to play out in Europe.

But we've got them and we're moving forward and we're making progress.

There's very little infrastructure business in Europe right now.

So we're not really seeing a lot of change there.

Pete, do you have any comments on that?

Just specific to Europe, I would say we've had the biggest impact in the Middle East and it is primarily in construction and diversion of funding right now to war efforts.

So we don't feel we've lost any market share.

It is just a matter of timing, when those sales start to continue.

And I am assuming that could continue into the course of the next year or two in the Middle East.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

I'll leave it there in the interest of everyone else.

I appreciate it.

Thank you, Ann.

The next question will be from Steven Volkmann of Jefferies.

Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, guys.

Hi Steven

Hi, Steven

Just in the spirit run of kind of thinking about business trends, you were kind enough to put the monthly chart on your slide number three here in terms of organic sales growth.

Is there a sense yet of what January would look like on that chart?

There's a sense within the management team but there's not a sense for disclosure yet.

I think we -- the general attitude is the January performance is as expected.

Let's just say that.

Alright.

Well, moving on then, how about -- you had some language in your release that I thought was interesting about business seems to be a little better, I think than you had thought a few months ago and that may impact your cadence or ability on some of the head count stuff which I think you described as a nice problem to have.

I'm trying to figure out how we should think about that financially in the sense of-- if you have a little bit more revenue, I assume you'll have better absorption than leverage and all of that.

So net-net, how do we think about the balance between a little bit better activity and perhaps a little bit slower restructuring and head count reduction?

Here's the thing, Steven.

We've identified $90 million of cost reduction and we will drive to get that out.

We're driving to get the last $10 million.

Perhaps we missed by a few million dollars but by missing by a few million dollars, we're going to not pay to take people out that we're only going to have to add back later because the business is stronger or because we were unable to modernize faster.

So it is within a few million dollars that's not forecastable at this stage but that's the way I think you should think about it.

Okay, great.

And then maybe just one more quick one.

You mention market outgrowth in your opening statements, Ron.

Where would that be?

Well, you mean comparatively where we may, in fact, be making progress ahead of the market?

Is that what you're asking?

Yes, please.

Okay.

I think if you look at our North American business and our US business in particular, we grew in industrial quite nicely there.

And our sense is we outperformed the market.

Great, thanks so much.

The next question will be from Adam Uhlman of Cleveland Research.

Please go ahead.

Hi, guys, good morning.

Good morning, Adam.

Congrats on getting back to growth.

I know it is hard work.

I guess following up on Steve's question there, within the infrastructure business, could you talk through the various business units and how you're thinking that you're performing relative to the market?

Pete, why don't you take that question, just overall.

Just overall, i think that sequentially, we had good progress from Q1 to Q2 as we said earlier, $10 million of increased sales.

We're seeing positive trends in oil and gas as we've talked about.

I think that's been a good trend for us and even though it is still 20% down year-over-year, the indications are strong relative to sales there.

We continue to have challenges in mining.

However, that's stabilized.

I think that we see a potential positive trend there.

Particularly during the quarter.

Construction with a few exceptions, we continue to have great success with our new product introductions.

We had a very good promotion where we worked with customers and winter blast has helped us to develop booking construction so we see that trending positively and taking shape.

Our infrastructure business is mainly a customs business where we build product, commensurate with our customer's needs and requirements.

Our big customers are the people like Baker Hughes, (inaudible) Halliburton in the oil and gas area and we have very uniquely designed products for many of those customers.

And so it is difficult to give you a comparison relative to the other alternative.

But we clearly are sensing from those customers an uptick in our business.

Just to add to that, because it is a mix order business, we obviously have lead times and order book is very important to us.

The order book trend has been toward growth and an indicator that we'll continue on the positive trend we've had.

The good news for us is we also believe we have the technology to solve some of our customer's problems.

So we're going to work with other major customers to try and apply our technology to new products and new areas.

So more to come as we energize the development side of the infrastructure business now that we're getting our margins back to a level where we can reinvest in some of the future growth.

Absolutely.

We had the opportunity on the analyst day to share the new products and partnering with customers and that effort now is going to accelerate.

All right?

Great.

Thank you.

That's very helpful.

Just a clarification, Ron, of the identified restructuring savings.

Maybe I'm dense but why would you not just include the $90 million figure that you've targeted as of January, rather than the $72 million target?

Because it was a difference between the run rate that we had achieved at the end of the quarter from what we have further gone on to do in January.

And also because at the time of our last quarterly report, we had identified 75% of the heads but only 65% of the cost.

So in reality, within the last six weeks or so of the year, we went from 65% of the cost to 72% of the costs and then we went further to 90% of the costs because many people on this call, perhaps politely had suggested we may -- not be able to get to the number.

Frankly because the $100 million is a pretty --big number when you think about it relative to a company the size of Kennametal .I think we wanted to provide more disclosure as opposed to less disclosure.

Okay, great.

Thank you very much.

The next question will come from Steven Fisher of UBS.

Please go ahead.

Thanks, good morning.

On WIDIA, when do you expect that business to sustainable profitability, is it a second half outcome or could it take longer than that?

We're hoping it is not a second half outcome.

I'm sorry that, it is not longer than that--that it is a second half outcome.

think we're headed in that direction.

Okay, and then are you assuming organic growth in infrastructure turns positive in the second half?

And is that sort of embedded at the midpoint of your guidance or if it does turn positive in the second half, would that bring you to the upper half of the guidance range?

That's the trick.

All else being equal.

What I would say is we do expect organic growth in our infrastructure business in the second half of the year.

That is not the principal driver of the improvement of profitability.

The principal driver of the improvement of profitability in our expectation or guidance is continuation of the cost reduction initiatives that are underway.

Factory closures, head count reductions, focusing on more profitable businesses, and frankly, there's a lot of opportunity in recovering oil and gas business that is not in our forecast quite yet.

Okay.

And then maybe --a little nitpicky but as of the investor day, the head count initiatives was expected to be $100 million to $110 million of savings.

Did I hear you correctly in saying that it is basically going to be $90 million, give or take of a few million, and is that reduction then from say $105 million at the midpoint down to closer to $90 million, the fact that you're no longer cutting as many heads?

Is that the way to think about it or has something more structurally changed there?

No, that's not the way to think about it.

What we said was basically $100 million.

So in a certain sense, one could say yes, that's a $5 million reduction, $100 million to $110 million.

The midpoint was $105 million .Now we're farther along and it looks more like $100.

We said $90 is done.

But I said to get from $90 million to $100 million, we're going to have to balance taking people out while the market is recovering.

So at the end of the day, any decision we make will be incremental to the profitability of the company.

Whether that's getting to the $100 million or doing $95 million but the sales and profit of the incremental revenue will offset that.

So does that make sense to you?

Yes--it does.

Appreciate the clarification.

Thank you.

Alrighty.

The next question will be from Andy Casey of Wells Fargo.

Please go ahead.

Thanks allot, good morning everybody.

Hello, Andy.

I would like to attack a couple of questions earlier, a little bit differently.

If you see positive industrial and infrastructure revenue growth in the second half and I know that your guidance for the full year is flat overall, but if you do, what sort of incremental margins would you expect if you "x" out the anticipated restructuring benefits and then if you're willing to go there, would there be any difference between the two?

I don't see a whole --of a lot difference between the two, Andy.

Actually, my personal goal will be to do both.

But because I think the opportunity exists within Kennametal to both achieve the growth and achieve the additional cost from head count reduction but at the same time, i don't want to be stupid.

I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face if we see some product availability declines from some of our key factories because of higher than expected order entry.

So the net-net is we expect substantial incremental margins as has been the historical case from Kennametal with probably, on the higher side, given the fact that we will have reduced employment costs so dramatically.

I didn't give you a percentage but you've been following the company a long time.

If you have a sense of what our incremental margins are.

They're typically pretty large.

And then on the tax rate guidance, it is unchanged despite the first half running above that range.

I'm trying to understand that as it relates to the rest of the year.

Are you expecting the tax rate to go sub 20% at the midpoint?-- Could you help me understand that?

We're expecting the ETR to reduce to the lower part of the guidance but still be slightly above the lower part-- guidance level that we've provided.

Okay, and then a couple more quick ones.

The first, could you help us in corporate expense in the second half.

It kind of tailed off last year.

Should we just expect, the run rate so far this year to continue into the second half or is there reason that gets--a little less?

Marty, do you have a feel?

Corporate should be consistent, Andy, throughout the year, for the remainder of the year it should be pretty consistent where we came in.

And we had some restructuring charges in the prior year.

Okay.

And then the last one, it's more semantic in scope, I guess, you discussed potentially accelerating the investment in modernization in the release.

But if I look at the guidance for CapEx this year, it really didn't change and I may have misheard, but I think Jan Kees talked about CapEx being toward the lower end of the range.

I mentioned the free operating cash flow at the lower end of the range, not the CapEx

Okay.

Thank you very much

Yep.

The next question will come from Ross Gilardi of Bofa Merrill Lynch.

Please go ahead.

Good morning, guys.

Thank you.

Hi, Ross.

I just want to understand WIDIA a bit.

Ron, you made the comment that the backlog was up 40% since July.

I guess, I wouldn't normally think of WIDIA as a big backlog business, so could you flush that out a bit more?

And I'm just curious as to if that's the case you certainly had very robust growth in Asia from WIDIA, but you're still down year-on-year in the U.S. and Europe.

So when does that increase in backlog really translate into a noticeable step up in volume in the U.S. and Europe?

Okay.

Ross.

What I said was we see the backlog building and order rates have improved, growing 40% since July.

So it isn't that the backlog is 40% higher.

But this is a distribution business, and for a distribution business the confidence of the third party suppliers has built because of our commitment to WIDIA as a brand.

And, in addition, because of our ability to grow it in Asia, the cycle times and order times are a little bit elevated in our supply to that region of the world.

It's a good sign.

But don't expect the business to grow 40%.

That would be misrepresenting the situation.

I think you're going to see us doing a number of things with WIDIA.

We're going to be cutting a number of SKUs that historically had been profit drainers to WIDIA.

We're going to be focusing on a more concentrated product choice mix which are going to be more profitable and the higher running part numbers for WIDIA.

And then we're going to concentrate regionally in places where we think we can win.

So there's a lot going on that will improve the WIDIA business over time.

So I think this is more a story of how you bring a good brand back to life that had been under managed, under invested in over a fairly long period of time.

And we don't really know how the story ends, but we're seeing some good beginnings for commitments on the part of our third party resellers to the initiatives underway.

Maybe I didn't answer your question precisely, Ross, but that's really the story here.

So, Ron.

Just so I understand what the 40% means, is that a delta in the rate of change, or is that an absolute delta?

So, in other words, is that like the equivalent of going from plus 1 to plus 1.4, or is that an absolute change in the orders?

That's an absolute change in the orders and the trajectory of the orders at the time when we started focusing on them.

I got you.

Thank you.

And then I think you answered bits and pieces of this throughout the call.

But I'm still trying to understand your incrementals for Industrial.

I mean, you've had a couple of quarters now of positive organic growth, and you've done a tremendous job in Infrastructure.

But the profitability in Industrial is not really moving yet.

You talked about some employment-related costs and mix.

I apologize if I'm asking you to repeat something already, but can you explain that a little bit more?

When do we see like a normal incremental margin that you had in the past in Industrial?

Sure.

Yeah.

This is important, Ross.

And thank you for just giving us a chance to re-emphasize it.

Industrial margins are going to grow.

They were only up 20 basis points this past quarter.

A significant negative to the margins this quarter was currency.

And currency really didn't affect our Infrastructure business and had a small impact on WIDIA.

But overall, as you can see from our report, it impacted the company $0.05 a share.

And if you look at our competition, our competition has the opposite effect, the benefit of currency for the European-based competitors.

So for this quarter in particular where currency moved meaningfully, it was a drain.

I don't think that will be a drain going forward.

In addition to that, I think there's some additional initiatives underway in the Industrial business that will pay some dividends in Q3 and Q4.

So you'll see some, it's our expectation, let's put it that way, that you'll see some nice margin improvements in Q3 and Q4.

Got it.

Thanks very much.

Okay.

The next question will be from Rudy Hokanson Barrington Research Associates, Inc.

Please go ahead.

Thank you.

I would like to go back to the outlook on the oil and gas area and energy as a whole and my question is that an area that you found yourself starting to down size or make adjustments given your strategic plan and found the demand coming back faster than expected so this might be one area where you're having to keep people on that before you were thinking of maybe structuring it differently?

Okay.

Some of that may be the case, but it's not the primary driver.

We are very confident that the choices we've made in factory closures and product movements will be the right choices, and we'll be able to supply the demands of our customers, okay, without a doubt.

There will be some areas where we'll have to keep some people on perhaps a little longer until we get to the implementation of our modernization.

That's always been part of our plan.

So it's just a matter of adjusting to the level of timing.

But the structural change, I guess, is the main point I'd make, the structural changes we've made are fundamentally the right ones, and we will be able to meet demand with those structural changes.

Pete, do you want to comment...?

Yeah.

Just to add to what Ron said.

We anticipated the recovery in oil and gas, this specifically relates to our Houston plant closure.

As a result of that anticipation, we excluded the receiving locations of that volume from the separation packages that we did earlier this year.

As we look at our order book that I talked about earlier, we are seeing it growing and we are selectively looking at putting resources in place to ensure that we're meeting our customer demands.

We're also coupling that with the modernization and automation projects that Ron and Jan Kees have talked about, which ultimately would allow us to put temporary workers in place and then ultimately take them out, if and when that's warranted.

Okay.

And then still on that theme, the company historically has had maybe high-single digit sales, percentage of sales, directly related to energy, but the ripple effect of energy can get well over 20% when things are going well in the energy market.

And I realize energy includes the mining, et cetera, that we've talked about, but are you able to see that right now?

Is that part of your, sort of, guarded optimism of potential this year, or going into 2018?

We're also coupling that with the modernization and automation projects which ultimately would allow us to put temporary workers in place and ultimately take them out if and when that's warranted.

I would say in the most simplistic of answers, absolutely.

Okay.

That was a short and simple answer.

Thank you.

Those are my questions.

Alright.

Thank you.

The next question will come from Eli Lustgarten Longbow Research.

Please go ahead.

Good morning everyone.

Good morning, Eli.

I can confirm by the way from the industry -- you slightly outperformed the market for the quarter.

Okay.

I understand that.

A couple of questions.

One, in the data, transportation is 36% of Industrial and you reported a 2% decline in the transportation sector.

Can you sort of go through that?

Is that mostly from the truck sector, or is it automotive in North America, and what are you seeing for the second half of the year based on what's going on?

It's a very key market and one of the worst things you have to worry about a little bit, I guess.

Eli, I'm going to pass it over to Chuck.

Eli, our transportation unit does include commercial vehicle; that would be heavy truck as well as some vehicles that can go on highway, for instance some wider tractors for instance.

It's a mix, it's not just pure automotive.

Our second quarter, down a couple points; remember in the first quarter we grew by over a point.

We see our growth in Q3 and Q4 will put us back in a slight growth for the full fiscal year.

Our transportation unit is doing fine.

But it wasn't automotive that caused it, it was the other stuff?

Question was is it automotive there was some of the downturn, or was it just the commercial side?

Again, a mix.

Commercial vehicle in the U.S. was down slightly, automotive in the U.S. was reasonably flat.

Asia automotive was nearly double-digit increase.

Commercial vehicle in Asia was slightly down.

It's a mix when you put those two big units.

What I would say, Eli, is whereas a year or two ago we may have had some negative trends with automotive, we're back to at least being flat to possibly even positive.

We've got some good programs and initiatives underway with some key automotive customers.

Our PCD investments, Eli, also are bearing fruit.

We talked about those at the Analyst Day in November.

We will be adding additional capacity in those product lines that allow us to pursue applications Kennametal has never played in before.

Okay.

And in the earnings bridge, you had that $0.06 impact from the higher performance-based comps in other.

That continue for the second half of the year?

That wasn't anything special, that was sort of the incentives comp coming back---or is there something significant about that?

Nothing special, Eli, other than last year, of course, since we weren't making our numbers, we were reversing out compensation accruals, okay, whereas this year, I think we're doing a little bit better on that, which is - we got to get past this so that it's going to be in our base period every year going forward.

So now we've got to cut more costs in order to get past this year.

Okay.

And the second half, you kept guidance pretty much what it is.

It's two quarters, you're expecting earnings to double.

What's going on in the visibility of that, that you didn't want to lift the bottom part?

And our surveys are continuing - had always indicated that you had great product, you just didn't have them in the right locations.

Is this some of the stuff that we have to correct in the second half of the year to get the company balanced better?

What I'd say is we're on track with what we're doing.

Some of those commentaries are accurate assessments of Kennametal, but it's more structural what we have to do, to be able to get our costs really down by investing in new plant machinery which will both help us deliver product faster at a higher quality level and at a lower cost.

And that is going to take time and it is a complicated initiative when you also couple it with a substantive reduction in SKUs and the new customer classification system which focuses the sales people on the biggest customer prospects.

So there's a lot underway at Kennametal, so my feeling is, better to stay the course, keep pressure on all fronts, and let's see how the numbers progress.

Ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude our question-and-answer session.

I would like to hand the conference over to Ron Defeo for his closing remarks.

Well, I just thank everyone for their interest in Kennametal today.

Please follow-up with us if you have any further questions or areas that you'd like to probe.

We appreciate your interest.

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