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  • Operator

  • Good afternoon, and welcome to the second quarter 2016 HP Inc.

  • earnings conference call.

  • My name is Amy, and I'll be your conference moderator for today's call.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes.

  • I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today's call, Diana Sroka, Head of Investor Relations.

  • Please proceed.

  • - Head of IR

  • Good afternoon.

  • I'm Diana Sroka, Head of Investor relations for HP Inc.

  • and I'd like to welcome you to the FY16 second quarter earnings conference call, with Dion Weisler, HP's President and Chief Executive Officer; and Cathie Lesjak, HP's Chief Financial Officer.

  • Before handing the call over to Dion, let me remind you that this call is being webcast.

  • A replay of the webcast will be made available shortly after the call for approximately one year.

  • We posted the earnings release, and the accompanying slide presentation on our Investor Relations webpage at www.HP.com.

  • As always, elements of this presentation are forward-looking, and are based on our best view of the world, and our businesses as we see them today.

  • For more detailed information, please see disclaimers in the earnings materials relating to forward-looking statements that involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions.

  • For a discussion of some of these risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, please refer to HP's SEC reports, including our most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q.

  • HP assumes no obligation, and does not intend to update any such forward-looking statements.

  • We also note that the financial information discussed on this call reflects estimates based on information available at this time, and could differ materially from the amounts ultimately reported in HP's Form 10-Q for the fiscal quarter ended April 30, 2016.

  • For financial information that has been expressed on a non-GAAP basis, we've included reconciliations to the comparable GAAP information.

  • Please refer to the tables, and slide presentation accompanying today's earnings release.

  • And now I will hand it over to Dion.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thank you, Diana, and good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.

  • I'm pleased with our second quarter results.

  • We did what we set out to do, non-GAAP diluted net earnings per share were $0.41 above our previously provided outlook range.

  • Free cash flow was strong at $1.5 billion.

  • We took action to improve our cash conversion cycle, and are on track to deliver our full-year outlook.

  • And we returned more than $0.5 billion of capital to shareholders through dividends and share buybacks.

  • Amidst difficult market conditions, net revenue was in line with our expectations, down 11% year over year as reported, or down 5% in constant currency.

  • And in APJ, for the second quarter in a row, we delivered constant currency revenue growth with strength in personal systems across much of the region.

  • I will not be completely satisfied with Company performance, until we return to sustain growth.

  • Delivering our financial commitments is evidence of the solid progress we're making against our strategy to protect our core, deliver on growth, and invest in our future.

  • Let me take a moment to remind you of our objectives, when we started the year.

  • First, we said the markets were going to be tough for at least several quarters.

  • We are on track to reduce our cost structure by more than $1 billion in FY16 through productivity initiatives, and an acceleration of our three-year restructuring plan into this year.

  • We executed a number of cost actions, including a reduction of approximately 1,200 headcount year-to-date, and are on track to achieve our savings objective by year end.

  • I continue to believe we have even more opportunity.

  • Second, we said, we will be rational in how we price in our core competitive markets.

  • In Q2, we achieved another quarter of sequential ASP improvement in print hardware.

  • While these actions did pressure hardware unit placement, we are starting to see more rational pricing in the market.

  • Third, we said we will continue to shift our portfolio towards strategic and future growth areas.

  • Year over year in Q2, we had constant currency growth in commercial notebooks, commercial mobility, commercial services, managed print services, and graphics printing solutions.

  • And we just launched our first 3D systems, which I will cover shortly.

  • A key to success in competitive markets is product differentiation and innovation.

  • It's thrilling to see the innovation coming out of HP, supporting our core, growth and future initiatives.

  • We are reinventing our business and our technologies, so that industries and individuals can reinvent what matters most.

  • Let me share some examples of incredible innovation this quarter.

  • We launched a robust business printing line-up with more than 15 new PageWide OfficeJet Pro and JetIntelligence LaserJet printers.

  • This launch included an incredible innovation in productivity, and supported our objective to reshape the install base towards units, with higher supplies usage.

  • As the industry continues to shift from transactional to contractual sales, HP and our partners are differentiated with our secure managed print services offering.

  • At a time when security is essential to customers, HP has the strongest security protection available in the industry.

  • In our graphics business, drupa, the Olympics of graphics is just one week away, and we are planning several exciting announcements.

  • Among others, we are expanding our packaging portfolio to address customer needs as they shift to digital, and we are enhancing our commercial graphics printers with image quality and productivity simply unmatched in the industry.

  • And just last week we delivered the world's first production-ready commercial 3D printing system, marking a major step forward, towards igniting what could be the next industrial revolution.

  • I am really proud of this announcement, which we made with some significant ecosystem partners including Nike, BMW, Johnson & Johnson and Siemens among others.

  • The new HP Jet Fusion 3D printing solutions produces superior physical parts, up to 10 times faster and at half the cost of current 3D printing systems.

  • Our products deliver the speed, cost and quality and economics that will help democratize manufacturing, and help deliver mass customization.

  • These systems leveraged decades of HP's R&D print expertise, and thousands of patents from our core.

  • We are building a whole new partner channel for 3D printing, and we'll continue to grow our ecosystem of co-development and technology partners in powerful industries like automotive, aerospace, medical and consumer goods.

  • In personal systems, we continued to deliver design and engineering in the consumer premium segment, including our most recent announcements of the HP Spectre, the world's thinnest laptop.

  • We introduced this beautiful product at the New York Times Luxury show in Paris to rave reviews.

  • We grew double-digits year over year in this profitable segment, while the broader product consumer premium declined.

  • Among other highlights in personal systems, we reinvented the Chromebook to be ultra-thin for home and office, and announced it with Google earlier in April.

  • Commanding a higher selling price, this modern thin-and-light device offers quick boot time, simple navigation and syncing, multi-layered security, and the ability to share and access information anywhere.

  • It's also the first to use the 6th generation Intel Core M processor.

  • With our superior product line-up, we continue to grow our reputation and competitive position.

  • Some our the major logo wins include Eli Lilly, GM, and PricewaterhouseCoopers.

  • I'll shift now to provide color on the segment results.

  • In personal systems, we executed well against a challenging market backdrop.

  • We continued to make progress on our strategy to deliver profitable share gains, while gaining momentum in key growth markets.

  • In the core, we outperformed the PC market once again.

  • We extended our worldwide commercial leadership to a new all-time high share position of 24.6%, with meaningful year-over-year share gains in all three regions.

  • We maintained our number share position in worldwide desktop workstations at 45.6%, and grew our number one share in mobile workstations to 38.9%.

  • And beyond the core, we delivered constant currency year-over-year growth in strategic areas, such as detachables, commercial services, and consumer displays, all very profitable businesses.

  • Personal systems operating profit improved to 3.5% with year-over-year growth in operating profit dollars.

  • A key commercial customer win came with Deutsche Post DHL Group, the world's leading logistics service group.

  • The deal included a broad range of commercial products including EliteBooks, x2 tablets, Chromebooks, and displays.

  • Now turning to printing, in line with our expectations, the year-over-year revenue decline continued, but was approximately flat sequentially.

  • In addition to demand weakness, we faced currency headwinds of about 6 points year over year.

  • We said, we needed to focus on operational improvements in the core business to support stability in supplies revenue.

  • And in Q2, all elements of the supplies Four Box Model performed largely as expected.

  • Specifically, on hardware units, we pulled back on discounts.

  • This resulted in an increase in constant currency ASPs, both quarter over quarter and year over year.

  • And as I mentioned earlier, these actions did pressure total unit sales.

  • However, our cost actions enabled us to place additional positive NPV units.

  • As a result, we grew 2 points of share sequentially in calendar first quarter in both ink and laser hardware.

  • As I always say, not all hardware is created equally.

  • The quality of the install base is important.

  • Over time, we are working to shift the install base to units with higher supplies usage.

  • We saw double-digit unit growth in PageWide print hardware, while gaining share in value multi-function laser printers.

  • Also, we continue to execute on our initiatives to win back aftermarket supply share.

  • We've started to see progress, and expect continued momentum in the coming quarters.

  • Instant Ink, our subscription-based delivery service had another quarter of sequential enrollee growth and high retention rates.

  • Let me also highlight that we made this progress, while reducing hardware and supplies channel inventory globally.

  • We are now within our targeted ranges.

  • And given our progress, we still expect our supplies revenue trajectory in constant currency to stabilize by the end of 2017.

  • Beyond the core, we had solid momentum in our growth categories.

  • In graphics, we delivered the 11th consecutive quarter of year-over-year constant currency growth, supported by strength in large format design, production, and services.

  • A terrific win was with Staples, where we supported their entire graphics solutions business, with technologies ranging from DesignJet graphics, to Latex, to Scitex flatbed systems.

  • This is another major expansion of the graphics-wide format relationship, and symbolic of our leadership in service delivery.

  • Before I turn it over to Cathie, I want to reinforce that this was a strong quarter for HP, where we delivered solid progress towards our strategy in the core, growth, and future markets.

  • Despite a tough market, we delivered on our objectives, unleashed truly amazing innovations, and grew in strategic areas of our business.

  • I'm confident in our ability to execute, and remain committed to long-term growth.

  • I'll now hand it over to Cathie, who will share additional details including our financial outlook.

  • - CFO

  • Thanks, Dion.

  • Q2 results were solid, and in line operationally with our expectations.

  • Net revenue was $11.6 billion, down 11% year over year as reported, or down 5% in constant currency.

  • Gross margin of 19.4% was down 0.3 points year over year, driven by a unfavorable currency and competitive pricing, partially offset by cost improvements and favorable mix.

  • Gross margin was up 0.7 points quarter over quarter, largely in line with normal seasonality.

  • Non-GAAP operating expenses of $1.3 billion were down 16% year over year, primarily in SG&A.

  • As a reminder, due to the use of discontinued operations basis of accounting, some historical expenses primarily in admin were fully allocated to the parent company, which was HP Inc.

  • in the US.

  • Also in Q2 2016, we recorded a gain in SG&A from the sale of certain marketing optimization software assets.

  • Further, we had year-over-year savings from reduction in our overall cost structure.

  • Non-GAAP OI&E was a net expense of $13 million, lower than normal run rate, due to a one-time benefit from a legal settlement benefiting net EPS by about $0.03.

  • Although timing was unknown, when we set our FY16 annual financial plan, the settlement was modeled in our full-year earnings outlook, and was fully booked in Q2.

  • With a non-GAAP tax rate of 21.5%, and a diluted share count of approximately 1.7 billion shares, we delivered non-GAAP diluted net earnings per share earnings of $0.41.

  • GAAP diluted net earnings per share from continuing operations of $0.38, primarily excluded restructuring charges of $100 million, only partially offset by non-operating retirement-related credits of $40 million.

  • Non-GAAP results also excluded an $8 million net tax indemnification credit, related to the tax matters agreement with Hewlett-Packard Enterprise Company.

  • We expect that certain tax matters and the related indemnification effect will continue to change each quarter, and will be recorded as adjustments in GAAP-only results.

  • Now turning to the segments.

  • Personal systems net revenue was $7 billion, down 10% year over year, or down 5% in constant currency.

  • Consumer revenue was down 16%, while commercial revenue was down 7% year over year as reported.

  • While we outperformed the market overall, we did especially well in the commercial segment, with improvement in the year-over-year revenue decline.

  • Innovations across the portfolio have been well-received by customers.

  • We are very excited about the great momentum of the Elite x2 commercial mobility products, which had solid initial sales, and has a very strong sales pipeline.

  • As a result of our focus on growth opportunities beyond the core, we increased constant currency year-over-year revenue in commercial notebooks, commercial mobility, consumer premium, and gaming.

  • Personal systems ASPs were down slightly year over year, but improved sequentially due to favorable mix, partially offset by highly competitive pricing.

  • Personal systems operating profit was 3.5%, up 0.6 points year over year driven by improved gross margin rate.

  • Also we reduced operating expenses as compared to last year, but not in line with revenue decline.

  • Turning to printing.

  • Net revenue was $4.6 billion, down 16% year over year, or down 10% in constant currency.

  • Hardware units were down slightly sequentially, but better than normal seasonality, as our cost actions increased the number of units that were now at a positive NPV.

  • Approximately 11 points of the 16% year-over-year unit decline were related to the market.

  • The remainder was largely associated with our pricing discipline, and focus on only positive NPV unit placement.

  • We are very pleased with our refreshed product portfolio, which will support our hardware strategy to price on differentiated value, and to ensure strong HP original supplies attach.

  • Supplies revenue was down 16% year over year as reported, or down 10% in constant currency.

  • Considering currency and the channel inventory position, the supplies revenue trajectory has improved.

  • We reduced channel inventory in the quarter, which was a 7 point headwind, as compared to the prior year period.

  • In Q2, supplies revenue mix was 67%, flat sequentially, and channel inventory was within our targeted range.

  • Operating profit for printing was 17.3%, down 0.5 points year over year, driven by currency and competitive pricing, partially offset by operational improvements, favorable hardware mix, and investiture gains.

  • The gain from the sale of certain marketing optimization software assets helps to offset the incremental placement of hardware units, and the reduction of supplies inventory in the quarter.

  • Now to an update on our restructuring activities we announced at our security analyst meeting last fall.

  • Over 800 people exited the Company in Q2, and approximately 1,200 year-to-date.

  • The acceleration of the restructuring activities is on track, and we still expect approximately 3,000 people to exit by the end of the year.

  • As Dion said, we are continuously seeking efficiencies, and we believe there are incremental actions to take beyond this fiscal year.

  • Turning to cash flow and capital allocation.

  • Cash flow from operations was approximately $1.6 billion, and free cash flow was approximately $1.5 billion.

  • The cash conversion cycle was negative 24 days, a 9 day sequential improvement, driven by a 6 day increase in days payable outstanding, and a 3 day decrease in days of inventory.

  • I am extremely pleased with the operational rigor of the entire organization, and all the working capital metrics.

  • We still expect full-year FY16 free cash flow to be in the range of $2.3 billion to $2.6 billion.

  • Our expected seasonality would suggest Q4 to be a stronger cash flow quarter than Q3.

  • During the second quarter, we repurchased 28.7 million shares, and paid $213 million in dividends for a total capital return to shareholders of $518 million.

  • Given where we are year-to-date, we will clearly achieve and may exceed the high end of our original 50% to 75% target range of returning free cash flow to shareholders for the full year.

  • Looking ahead, there are a few assumptions we've made in our financial outlook for the remainder of the year.

  • We expect year-over-year revenue declines to moderate for personal systems and printing.

  • Also in printing, the progress we are making on our cost structure, as well as some price discipline gives us the opportunity to place more units.

  • Hardware units declines will moderate, although we still expect low double-digit declines year over year.

  • Supplies revenue in constant currency will continue to decline, but is still expected to stabilize by the end of 2017.

  • Productivity initiatives and accelerated restructuring actions across the Company are expected to improve overall profitability, as compared to the first half of the year.

  • With all of that in mind, Q3 2016 non-GAAP and diluted net earnings per share is in the range of $0.37 to $0.40.

  • Q3 2016 GAAP net diluted earnings per share from continuing operations is in the range of $0.34 to $0.37.

  • Our full-year FY16 non-GAAP diluted earnings per share in the range of a $1.59 to a $1.65.

  • Of full-year FY16 GAAP diluted net earnings per share from continuing operations is in the range of $1.52 to $1.58.

  • With that, let's open it up for questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • Katy Huberty, Morgan Stanley.

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, thanks.

  • Cathie, how should we think about the yen influence on printing margins through the remainder of the year?

  • - CFO

  • So thanks, Shannon.

  • From the yen benefit perspective, we do expect a little bit of a benefit.

  • We saw a little bit in Q2 as well.

  • But that benefit is significant -- significantly coming down, as the yen has appreciated a bit.

  • - Analyst

  • And then, as you think about PCs in the back half, maybe Dion, we're hearing from distributors that inventories have come down.

  • You seem to cite that as well.

  • Would you expect a meaningful improvement in unit growth, as we go into the back half of the year?

  • - President & CEO

  • And Katy, was that for printing or personal systems?

  • - Analyst

  • For PCs.

  • - President & CEO

  • For PCs, I would say that we have consistently remained very vigilant in our control over inventory.

  • I think it's a mixed bag, in terms of inventory out in the channel.

  • There are some vendors that still have high levels of inventory, and some where inventory has come down.

  • I think all of it points to sort of broadly speaking, we don't largely disagree with what the major analysts are predicting for the second half of the year, that whilst the markets will continue to be pressured, it will abate somewhat in the second half of the year.

  • Our inventory is well in control, and so is our aged inventory, two very important metrics that we watch very closely.

  • - CFO

  • And Katy, sorry about that, I am so used to Shannon asking the questions.

  • - Analyst

  • That's okay.

  • - CFO

  • I went immediately to Shannon, and I apologize.

  • - Analyst

  • It's okay.

  • - Head of IR

  • And operator, next question, please?

  • Operator

  • Rod Hall, JPMorgan.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking the question.

  • So my question, I guess, it's along similar lines, but broader -- that you guys have such a broad impact, and kind of an outsized impact from currency, especially from the strong dollar.

  • And it looks like the interest rates -- most people are expecting (inaudible).

  • How stress-tested is your earnings guidance for the full year against a stronger dollar?

  • What sort of assumptions are you making?

  • Could you just give us some idea on that?

  • - CFO

  • Well, if Rod, if you actually look at where currencies are today, they're not that different than where we started, the beginning of the year, when we provided our first outlook.

  • On top of that, we obviously, put hedges in over time.

  • And so, we believe, we feel pretty confident in our outlook, given where the dollar is now, even if it were to get a little bit stronger.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • So you assume a little bit of an interest rates rise, but not much more than that, Cathie, is that correct?

  • - CFO

  • So, I look at it more from a currency perspective.

  • I understand, it's the interest rate rise, drives the currency.

  • So we look at it more -- and we've modeled the different levels of the dollar.

  • - Analyst

  • And could I ask you one follow-up, which is your interest expense was quite a bit lower than last quarter.

  • I just wonder, if you could give us color on what drove that?

  • - CFO

  • Sure.

  • The biggest difference wasn't interest rates.

  • It was this legal settlement that we had, that benefited EPS by about $0.03.

  • That was, showed primarily up in OI&E.

  • - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • James Kisner, Jefferies LLC.

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, thank you.

  • I just want to clarify your comments on supplies.

  • I believe you said, that while the decline was worse year-over-year, it had a pretty significant headwind from inventory adjustments.

  • And just wondering if you could talk about how that impact to inventory affected last quarter's constant currency growth?

  • And just in general, what kind of market decline you're modeling for supplies, or assuming for supplies -- the supplies market to stabilize the revenue by the end of 2017?

  • - CFO

  • So I think the way to think about this is probably to go back to the Four Box Model, and how we think about supplies, in terms of us being on the trajectory that leads stabilization in constant currency supplies revenue, by the end of 2017.

  • And I believe Dion said it in his prepared remarks, that when we started the quarter, we have an expectation of what the Four Box, the different elements of the Four Box Model are going to do and then, based on the models that we have, and then we look at the end of the quarter to see how they responded in actuality.

  • And they were largely in line with what we were expecting.

  • And that says that our model is predicting, in the quarter, within a quarter, is doing a good job of predicting what's going to happen to supplies.

  • So we are on track with that.

  • In terms of the channel inventory correction, off the top of my head, I don't remember what the impact was last quarter.

  • We did have some, we definitely had some channel inventory corrections last quarter as well, but this quarter was larger, and it was 7 points of the headwind.

  • So if you look the -- if you look at this, you look at supplies growth of -- or a decline of about 16%.

  • You take off about 6 points of currency, 7 points of channel inventory, if you look at kind of the real demand, it's basically down about 3%.

  • Again, in line with what we were expecting.

  • - President & CEO

  • And just to give you my perspective on this, what I'm most happy about is, we did exactly what we said we would do.

  • And what has happened in the market, and what we thought would happen in the market, has actually transpired.

  • We simply needed to adjust to, what I called the new normal, and that was sort of combination of further market contraction, that was driving an increased competitive price market.

  • We said that we saw weakness in emerging markets, and we did indeed see that continue.

  • Currency continued as a headwind, and that we were expecting a tough macroeconomic conditions worldwide.

  • We actually adapted to this new normal, and you will remember on our fourth quarter earning call, and our first quarter earnings call, we talked about having to, not only deliver on the $1 billion of productivity improvements, but actually that wasn't going to be enough, and that we were going to need to do more.

  • And we are on track to doing more than our $1 billion.

  • We also said that we needed to accelerate our restructuring.

  • And in Cathie's prepared remarks, she said we're also on track to doing that and that we needed to persist with our efforts to drive price stability in the market.

  • So all of that is actually working.

  • Our supply trajectory improved, but it was somewhat masked by the channel inventory reductions that we had.

  • Supplies inventory is now back within the ranges globally, and that's obviously, where we want it to be.

  • So we, with all of those productivity improvements, continue to reshape the install base.

  • We're focusing on high value units that's evidenced through the continued growth in value multi-function laser.

  • We said we needed to continue to refresh the product line-up.

  • We did that.

  • Fifteen new devices launched last quarter: JetIntelligence, PageWide array, and OfficeJet Pro.

  • And we said we needed to continue to grow in our graphics business, and we did for the 11th consecutive quarter in a row, as we did with Instant Ink.

  • So as Cathy mentioned, all of that translates to what we're seeing transpire, as we planned it out to be.

  • And therefore, with all of that, we expect to stabilize our supplies revenue trajectory by the end of FY -- by the end of 2017.

  • - Analyst

  • Quick follow-up on that.

  • I mean, it sounds like you're on track from your restructuring, and for supplies growth long-term.

  • So I guess, wondering why you're lowering the higher end of the guidance here?

  • Thanks.

  • - CFO

  • Yes.

  • So what happened in Q2, and what we are expecting will be true in Q3 and Q4 as well, is that with the cost reductions that we've made, we actually have, in effect, opened up more positive NPV TAM in printer units.

  • So we took advantage of that in Q2, and we gained 2 points of share sequentially, while maintaining our price rationality.

  • And we expect that in the back half of the year, we will also be able to take advantage of placing additional units.

  • Which is, from my perspective and Dion's perspective, the right thing to do for the business, to maximize the area under the curve.

  • And so, that took the top end of our previous guidance down a bit, but for the long-term value for the Company.

  • - Head of IR

  • Thank you, James.

  • Operator, can we have next question, please?

  • Operator

  • Sherri Scribner, Deutsche Bank.

  • - Analyst

  • Hi, it's Adrienne Colby for Sherri.

  • Thanks for taking my question.

  • I was hoping you could update us on your expectations for the cash conversion cycle?

  • You obviously saw some impressive improvement, but how should we think about working capital over the balance of the year?

  • - President & CEO

  • Well, let me just say, that I was very pleased with the improvements in each of the cash conversion metrics that we closely track and monitor.

  • Our goal was, as you remember, to reduce our cash conversion cycle by several days from our quarter one exit.

  • We got there, plus a little bit more.

  • And this was actually an enormous enterprise-wide effort, and we've made some permanent changes to our processes, and to our business management system.

  • And I think the team rallied exceptionally well together, to focus on all of the levers that we have available to us.

  • So we expect to exit FY16, with the cash conversion cycle several days improved over FY15.

  • And that will enable us to achieve our full-year free cash flow outlook of $2.3 billion to $2.6 billion for the full-year.

  • - Head of IR

  • Thank you, operator.

  • Next question?

  • Operator

  • Toni Sacconaghi, Bernstein.

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, thank you.

  • Cathie, you talked about the legal gain helping $0.03.

  • You also mentioned that there was a gain on sales of marketing optimization software.

  • How big was that?

  • And that -- was that completely captured in the imaging -- printing and imaging group?

  • And I have a follow-up.

  • - CFO

  • Yes, Toni, it was completely captured within the printing Op.

  • And while we're not specifically sizing it, I think what we did, was we used that opportunity to fund the incremental unit placements that we had as a result of cost reductions that we've done, we placed more units.

  • We were able to gain that share I mentioned.

  • And then, we also -- we took our channel, our supplies channel and inventory levels down even a bit further than what we had originally intended, because we believed that managing, having a tight handle on the channel inventory levels is good for our business.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And just to follow-up, I mean, it sounds like you're saying you're going to invest, in trying to take more share.

  • Yet you also said to expect double-digit declines in units for the remainder of the year.

  • And I know I probably asked some form of this question every call, but 100% of your profits are driven by supplies, and your assertion that supply should stabilize next year, is still not transparent to me.

  • And so, if we look at the last five quarters, hardware revenue has been down double-digits.

  • Hardware revenue has been down 19 out of the last 20 quarters.

  • So if I'm looking at that box in the Four Box Model that says, what's happening to my install base?

  • It's down, and it is probably down mid single-digits.

  • So to stabilize, what's the key thing that changes?

  • Are you expecting much better capture rate on reman, are you expecting people to start printing more, given their printers?

  • But the only thing that we really see, is what's happening to your install base, and that's declining.

  • So I appreciate that your model tells you, and it has been accurate.

  • But it would be really helpful if we could understand, what you think happens in the model to go from what's been closer to mid single-digit declines in supplies, to zero, given the backdrop that we see which is hardware units continues to be negative?

  • - Head of IR

  • So Toni, really what I said was that the printer unit declines would be low double-digits in Q3.

  • Q3 is a relatively tough compare, because if you will remember last year, we did some incremental -- what we called insurance policy, because of the split that we were going through.

  • So it is a tough compare.

  • But we went from minus 20% declines in Q1, to minus 16%.

  • And then it's going to come down, further as well, in Q3 of 2016.

  • And I think what's important is that we've captured -- it's not like this is a surprise to us, we've captured it within the modeling that we have done.

  • Our models are holding up, and our models basically show that supplies revenue in constant currency will stabilize by the end of 2017.

  • - President & CEO

  • And I think, Tony, what you're really highlighting here is the complexity of the business.

  • And there is no single magic pill that changes the supplies trajectory.

  • So what we need to do, is to continue to focus on all areas of the Four Box Model, the install base being one metric.

  • But remember, that the install base is a function of every kind of category and segment of business that we do, and from those printers that produce less supplies, to those that's produce a lot of supplies.

  • And we are placing more NPV positive units, enabled by the costs that we're taking out of the business.

  • And we're innovating, and we're introducing new products, a new series of printers that are really very much focused on the business side of the ledger.

  • And these new platforms generally come with higher supplies attach, because the aftermarket alternatives have not yet made their way into the market.

  • Usage is another part of the Four Box Model.

  • Not all printers are created equally, and even the same printer placed in a different location or a different zip code produces a different amount of supplies.

  • So reshaping that install base to high usage printers is job number one.

  • The other major shift that's happening, is the move from transactional to contractual.

  • And as that shift happens, we moved to 100% supplies attach.

  • And the final area, in terms of usage, is the work we're doing around marketing to stimulate printing demand.

  • We're shifting our marketing efforts, from marketing printers to marketing printing.

  • And that sort of takes care of box number two.

  • On the third box, the aftermarket share, you have these newer platforms that come with higher attach.

  • You've got work we're doing around omnichannel.

  • It's very comprehensive, covering online coverage and marketing, as well as the innovation that we're driving our ink formulas and new toner technology, resulting in a much better printed page when you're using original HP supplies.

  • And the fourth lever, of course, is pricing which remains flat and consistent with our expectations.

  • So all these factors drive supplies consumption, not just the install base.

  • And the model would suggest that we are on track to that stabilization by the end of 2017 in constant currency.

  • - CFO

  • We have initiatives in every one of those boxes.

  • - Head of IR

  • Thank you, Tony.

  • Next question, please?

  • Operator

  • Wamsi Mohan, BofA Merrill Lynch.

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, thanks.

  • Dion, you mentioned more rational pricing.

  • How much do you attribute that to the recent moves in the yen?

  • Are you seeing any difference in the competitive behavior?

  • And I have a follow-up.

  • - President & CEO

  • Well, I think it's a little hard to speculate, because I don't necessarily understand the hedging strategies of each of our Japanese competitors.

  • I would say, in long-term, if the yen remains where it is, that ultimately is good news for us.

  • But I think we've been very disciplined in the market, in terms of not dragging the market down in price, selling the value of our product, shifting away from spending contra dollars on discounting to marketing and sales.

  • And that's resulted in higher ASPs.

  • So we're very focused on our activities, and I think we're starting to see some signs of market stabilization.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • And as my follow-up, it sounds like you regained some share in the aftermarket supplies.

  • Can you talk about where that was, and how much it was, was it commercial, or consumer.

  • And was it like related primarily to the new printer introductions in the quarter?

  • Thanks.

  • - CFO

  • So I don't believe that we've made any statements specifically about aftermarket share for supplies improving.

  • Now we are, as part of going after the Four Box Model, we are working on increasing our aftermarket supply share.

  • And we're starting to make some progress specifically in the omnichannel space, which is what Dion mentioned, I believe in his prepared remarks.

  • - President & CEO

  • So I think that would expect that aftermarket share would come up, as we release these newer platforms.

  • Those newer platforms come with almost 100% supplies attach.

  • I would expect our aftermarket share, as we move from transactional to contractual, where that comes with 100% supplies attach, to drive up our aftermarket share.

  • I would expect the work we're doing around omnichannel as Cathie mentioned, which is some very comprehensive work around online coverage and marketing, to also improve our aftermarket share.

  • And the innovation that we're driving in ink formulas and toner would also do that.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • Thank you.

  • - Head of IR

  • Thank you, Wamsi.

  • Next question, please?

  • Operator

  • Maynard Arif, Wells Fargo.

  • - Analyst

  • Hi, thanks.

  • I have a question that looks out a bit further.

  • You have a number of drivers in 2017, including 3D printing, the A3 market, a number of other new products, but can you help us identify what the mile markers are to judge success?

  • I mean, what should we be looking for as we enter 2017, that points us to these materializing as growth drivers for you?

  • And how long does it take for these products to ramp to a level that's material enough, that it can actually have an impact on revenue and profits?

  • Is it two, three quarters?

  • Thanks.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thanks, Maynard.

  • So let me say that, everything we've spoken about so far has really been focused on the core, and we're really incredibly focused on our traditional franchises of print and personal systems.

  • But as part of our overall strategy for the Company, we do have certain growth areas that are incredibly important to us.

  • You mentioned a couple of them.

  • Our A3 product work remains on track, and our portfolio will come out towards the middle of next year.

  • That is on time and on track, and we're doing a lot of work around preparing, not only for the products, but for the go-to-market that is required in order to be successful in this marketplace.

  • Another part of our growth engine is graphics.

  • Graphics grew for the 11th consecutive quarter, and we're just about to walk into drupa next week, which is the Olympics of the graphics business.

  • It happens every four years, and we're very excited about some of the products that we will be announcing at drupa.

  • And the third area is commercial mobility.

  • And our commercial mobility practice continues to grow.

  • We're excited by the work we're doing there.

  • We have made some really interesting category-creating product announcements, with the Elite x3 during the course of the quarter at Mobile World Congress to rave reviews.

  • So lots of positive signals in the market from a product perspective, and the pipeline that we are building.

  • And then, of course, only last week, we announced our 3D printing products.

  • And we have really breakthrough innovation here, solving problems of speed, quality, and cost.

  • We said, we would release them in the second half of this year, and a proof point of that is the announcements that we made last week.

  • And the strategic announcements that we've made with Nike, with BMW, with Johnson & Johnson, and [JBL], a very important player in this space.

  • I think there is a lot of markers out there, that point to the execution of this team.

  • We do what we say we are going to do, whether it's product, whether it's go to market, or business model readiness.

  • - Head of IR

  • Thank you.

  • Next question, please?

  • Operator

  • Jim Suva, Citigroup.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you, and congratulations to you, and your team there at HP.

  • I have one question for Dion, and one for Cathie.

  • So I'll just ask them both at the same time.

  • First, for Dion, your sister company HP Enterprise last night, announced that they'd break out part of their business, namely the services.

  • Have you considered splitting up, or would you, and does that actually make any sense?

  • And then, for Cathie, the operating profit margins in printing, I believe was down year over year.

  • I think you had mentioned the litigation helped that, so it would have been down even more year over year.

  • Is that the correct way to think about it, is to stabilize it?

  • Is it top line, is it mix, is it cost cutting?

  • And how should we think about stabilizing the operating margins of the printing business that are so profitable for your Company?

  • Thank you, and again, congratulations.

  • - President & CEO

  • Well, thank you, Jim, and thank you for the congratulations.

  • And first, let me extend my congratulations to Megan and the Hewlett-Packard Enterprise team on a spectacular earnings, and on a very successful announcement of the spin merger they're doing with CSC.

  • I think what that demonstrates is that, the separation and the focus of the organizations on the markets that are moving at top speed is really working.

  • It's produced better results for Hewlett-Packard Enterprise, it's producing solid results for us, as well as fueling the innovation engines of both companies.

  • So I don't want to comment much further on Hewlett-Packard Enterprise's announcement, but I will say that we are really committed to the long-term success of HP.

  • I'm very happy with the assets that we have, in both printing and personal systems.

  • They are both an important, and play a very important role within our portfolio, as sort broad things.

  • We obviously, always continue to look, and re-evaluate the markets as they change, and measure all of our assets relative to the strategy.

  • And sometimes that results in a divestiture, and we made a divestiture this quarter in some marketing optimization assets, that's an ongoing process.

  • But as far as our major franchises go, we're very committed to both portfolios.

  • - CFO

  • (Inaudible -- low volume) down 50 basis points as you mentioned.

  • And that's really driven by currency and the very competitive pricing environment we saw.

  • It was partially offset by the productivity initiatives that we've got, and the broader non-revenue-generating cost reductions, as well as the favorable hardware mix.

  • And then, we had some benefit from the divestiture gains.

  • It wasn't litigation, it was divestiture of the marketing optimization assets.

  • But as I told you, we made the conscious decision to invest that gain back into placing incremental NPV positive units.

  • And you can see the impact of that, frankly, in the share gains that we had quarter on quarter, as well as basically bringing our channel inventory levels for supplies in a bit more.

  • From a quarter-on-quarter perspective, the increase was really driven by cost improvements, as well as to the divestiture gain, and that was partially offset by competitive pricing, currency, and some investments that we made in go to market and R&D.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you, and congratulations to you and your team.

  • - CFO

  • Thanks, Jim.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thanks, Jim.

  • - Head of IR

  • Thanks, Jim.

  • Next question, please?

  • Operator

  • Shannon Cross, Cross Research.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you very much.

  • Dion, I wanted to dig a little bit more into the 3D printing initiative from your standpoint.

  • I'm curious what sort of feedback you've heard from beta customers, some of the partners?

  • How are you thinking about this initiative over the next year or two?

  • And then, I have a follow-up.

  • - President & CEO

  • I am super excited by it.

  • I think the feedback from potential channel partners, from end customers, and from analysts, and those that follow the industry closely, understand what a breathtaking breakthrough we've made towards, really pulling 3D printing into the mainstream.

  • We released the first production, short run production 3D printing systems.

  • They're 10 times faster than other products that are out on the marketplace, unbelievable quality, and most importantly, at half the cost.

  • And when you get those three things right, you start to tap into specific applications that are better to be done by digital 3D printing, than they are in analog fashion.

  • And the best example I can give you, is our 3D printers themselves, 50% of the bill of materials of our 3D printers are printed by our 3D printers.

  • So our printers are printing themselves.

  • And it's a perfect example in short run manufacturing, of the great business case.

  • We're not doing this to make a point.

  • We're doing this, because it's more economically advantageous to us, to print these products in 3D, than it is to use traditional manufacturing.

  • So we're very bullish.

  • We have a long and complex, and a like complexity here road map.

  • This is not easy to duplicate.

  • We're leveraging more than 5,000 patents from our core, leveraging 30 years of innovation that we've had in our printing business.

  • And we're bringing it to bear into a market that really hasn't had a very large mainstream player, with the brand that HP has, and a reputation that we have.

  • So we're really excited by the market.

  • We're happy with the ramp we're doing on our partners, and our certified channel partners.

  • We're incredibly excited by the really impressive ecosystem co-innovators with us, Nike, BMW, Johnson &, Siemens, [JBL], the list goes on, both in materials, as well as in customers.

  • - Analyst

  • Great, thank you.

  • And then, my second question is just on PCs.

  • I'm curious what kind of trends you're seeing?

  • How you're thinking about the market?

  • Clearly, it's been pretty weak.

  • And how you're also thinking about some of these future products, like the x3 and leveraging Continuum, because it's sort of a -- it's not a phone, it's not a computer -- how do you see this market developing both near-term, and then in the next couple of years with some of these new technologies?

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes, look, we're not surprised by the PC market.

  • I think we were one of the earlier to predict that these markets would continue to be challenged for quite some time.

  • And as a result of that, we needed to take immediate action to get our costs in line with where the markets were.

  • But over the long-term, we sort of generally broadly agree with the analysts, and where they expect things to land.

  • We see continued declines in calendar quarter two.

  • The market's projecting that it will improve in calendar quarter three and four, and we tend to disagree.

  • Now whether it's low single-digits or mid single-digits, I guess, that's up for debate, and no one is perfect at making those predictions.

  • But I think things are getting better.

  • To your second point on some of these new categories, I think that as the technology improves, as we are able to fit more power into smaller platforms, we get to have this continuous evolution of the continuum, all the way from mobile up to workstations.

  • And these lines are beginning to blur, and that enables us to create new products and new categories like Elite x3.

  • That technology is not going to slow down.

  • It's only going to accelerate.

  • So I think we've got to start looking as an industry, at the entire spectrum, all the way from phones to workstations.

  • Think about that market, think about how those hard lines were characterized in the past, and how those hard lines will begin to break down in the future.

  • And as leaders, it's incumbent on us, to reinvent what the category is capable of.

  • Whether that be the success, we're having with our x2 or the new category-creating products like x3.

  • It's all about changing that continuum.

  • So we continue to have a very highly disciplined approach to this business.

  • We segment, we segment again, we navigate the heat in the market, and we predict where we think that heat is going to be.

  • We're constantly challenging ourselves on price, function, value for our customers.

  • We're always taking costs out of the system, and we have to be a massive innovator.

  • And I think we're doing all of that as well.

  • - Head of IR

  • Thank you, Shannon.

  • I think we have time for one more question, please?

  • Operator

  • Kulbinder Garcha, Credit Suisse.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks.

  • Just a couple of clarifications for me.

  • In terms of the supplies, I understand, as you said many times today and before, that it's going to stabilize by the end of 2017.

  • But specifically, Cathie or Dion, the year-on-year decline, 10% constant currency this quarter, does that year-on-year decline, start better from here, given the low channel inventories that you talked about, and the initiatives you put into play [and all], could it be only even for the next few quarters?

  • Just I'm trying to understand where things, just the decline gets a little bit easier?

  • And then on free cash flow, was there anything one-time in nature, that drove that free cash flow number this quarter that helps you?

  • Thanks.

  • - CFO

  • Thanks, Kulbinder.

  • On the supplies, I think the right way to think about it is, a 16% decline in supplies revenue.

  • The fact that there was 6 points of currency.

  • So you're down to -- down 10% constant currency, but you've got 7 points of channel inventory correction that our belief is, you don't continue to correct channel inventory on a go forward basis.

  • So really, when you are looking at, what I guess, we sometimes refer to as real supplies growth or decline, right about minus 3. And we obviously, as we go through 2017, we would expect that will continue to improve, so it stabilizes by the end of 2017.

  • But again, largely in line with what we expected.

  • And then, from a free cash flow perspective, a couple of things.

  • First off, where we saw particularly strong performance was in the cash conversion cycle.

  • If you look back to Q1, our cash conversion cycle was minus 15 days, and we are now at minus 24.

  • And we basically hit on every one of those metrics.

  • Dion mentioned it, was a company-wide initiative, in which we educated, and helped people become even more conscious about cash flow.

  • We enlisted the help of our sales reps in getting collections done.

  • It was an incredible team effort.

  • And something, in many ways we've instituted now, kind of permanent changes, and permanent initiatives around that free cash flow, and the cash conversion cycle.

  • I also just really briefly want to mention the fact that it, our free cash flow on a year-to-date basis also includes about $170 million of separation cash outflows, which obviously are more one-time in nature.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thank you all for joining us today.

  • I hope you will agree, we delivered really solid results here, and we did exactly what we said we would do, and that's important to us as a leadership team.

  • We do know how to execute, regardless of market conditions, where we don't stick our heads in the sands here.

  • We understand what is going on in the market, and how to adjust our organization accordingly.

  • We're delivering on our financial commitments.

  • We've made solid progress, more work to do.

  • We're executing across core, growth and the future, and lots of proof points there.

  • We're shifting to higher margin and growth product segments, and we're setting this Company up for long-term success.

  • So thank you very much.

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