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Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by.
Welcome to the Corning Incorporated quarter 3 2011 results.
At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will be given at that time.
(Operator Instructions).
It is my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr.
Ken Sofio, Vice President of Investor Relations.
Please go ahead, sir.
Ken Sofio - VP, IR
Good morning and welcome to Corning's third quarter call.
This morning, Jim Flaws, Vice Chairman and Chief Financial Officer will have some prepared remarks before we move to the Q&A.
These remarks do contain forward-looking statements that fall within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
They involve a number of risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially.
These risks are detailed in the Company's SEC reports.
Jim?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Thanks, Ken.
Good morning, everyone.
Hopefully you had a chance to read the press release we issued this morning on our third quarter results.
If you haven't, a copy can be found on our investor relations website.
We had a good quarter, with sales approaching $2.1 billion, which is up 30% year over year and with EPS excluding special items at $0.48.
In summary, Telecom, Environmental, Specialty Materials, and Life Sciences all had significant year over year growth.
Glass volume in our wholly-owned business.
Display business did better than our revised expectations from early September.
SCP volumes did not decline as much as we anticipated, but we are still down significantly sequentially.
Our quarter 3 results did benefit from the strengthening of the yen.
I'll come back to the quarter in a minute, but I'd like to highlight our key messages this morning.
First, third quarter glass volume at our wholly-owned business was up sequentially in the mid-single digits but down more than 20% at SCP.
We did regain share at our wholly-owned business in Q3, but SCP lost some share.
Second, price declines in Q3 were in line with our expectations.
Third, retail demand for LCD televisions remained strong throughout September.
The data we have so far for October in the US also shows good demand.
Despite the continued strong retail environment, panel makers ran at much lower utilization rates during the third quarter, especially in Korea.
Strong retail demand in Q3, coupled with lower production rates, led to a significant contraction in supply-chain inventory during the quarter.
We believe supply-chain inventories exited the quarter around 14 weeks.
Looking ahead, we expect Korean panel maker utilization rates on average to be higher in Q4 than Q3.
Utilization rates outside of Korea in Q4 will be comparable to Q3 but will vary by panel maker.
Volume at our wholly-owned business in Q4 will be flat to down slightly, compared to the better-than-expected volume levels in Q3.
Volume at SCP is expected to be up at least 20%, due primarily to our regaining share and higher utilization rates of panel makers.
We expect pricing pressure to be more significant in Q4 than in previous quarters.
As we told you before, our glass typically enjoys a price premium in the market.
Pricing varies by customer depending on factors such as the amount of glass they purchase from us, but by and large, our glass sales are the premium world-wide.
Over time, if that price premium comes too high at a particular customer, we will feel more pressure to reduce price to narrow the gap.
Pressure can become even greater when there is excess class capacity available, which is the case now.
As a result, we will likely lower pricing to a greater degree than we have in previous quarters in order to keep our premium at an acceptable level and maintain our market position.
At Dow Corning, we're seeing significant price declines in silicones.
In polysilicon, spot pricing is declining and will now affect Hemlock's spot sales.
Dow Corning's equity earnings could be down as much is 40% sequentially.
We expect to see normal seasonal fourth quarter declines in other businesses, such as Telecom, Environmental, and Life Sciences.
In Specialty Materials, sales will be lower sequentially, reflecting lower parts demands for tablets, as well as the potential start of a cyclical downturn in the semiconductor industry.
Lastly, we are very pleased to announce we have reached an agreement with Samsung to increase the cash dividend from SCP, effective in 2012.
Now turning to our third quarter results, Q3 sales were $2.1 billion, an increase of 3% over Q2 and 30% over last year.
All of our segments posted solid double-digit percentage growth over last year.
Earnings per share excluding special items were $0.48 in Q3 and consistent with Q2.
Our Q3 EPS benefited from the reversal of compensation accruals for the quarter, which was probably $0.025.
The strengthening yen also benefited results by almost another $0.02.
The third quarter gross margin in terms of dollars was an all-time record for Corning at $978 million.
Gross margin percentage increased as we had expected from 44.3% in Q2 to 47.1% in Q3.
The growth was primarily driven by strong operating performance in Display and Specialty Materials.
Q3 gross margin included about $16 million in one-time benefits, including the adjusted compensation accruals.
As a reminder, Q2 had included $8 million in project spending that did not repeat in Q3.
So, excluding these one-time items, gross margin increased about 2 percentage points in the quarter.
SG&A was $216 million compared to $284 million in Q2.
This significant decrease was primarily due to lower compensation accruals, as well as a $22 million post-transaction credit.
We treated this credit as a special item.
Our D&E declined to $166 million or 8% of sales and was also impacted by the lower compensation accruals.
Equity earnings were $324 million, a decrease of 24% from Q2, driven by lower volumes at SCP and softer silicone demand at Dow Corning.
Other income was $27 million in Q3, versus $43 million in Q2.
The decrease was primarily due to lower royalty income, which is of course a direct result of lower sales at SCP.
NPAT excluding special items was $766 million and up slightly versus the second quarter.
Including special items, NPAT was $811 million and EPS $0.51.
The special items included a foreign tax credit of $26 million and a post-transaction accounting adjustment.
Both net profit after tax and earnings per share excluding special items are non-GAAP measures, and you can find a reconciliation to GAAP on our website.
Now, I would like to turn to the segment results, and I'll start with Display.
Sales were $815 million, an increase of 7% over Q2, and stronger than we expected.
Volume was up in the mid-single digit range, and price declines were in line with our expectations.
Q3 results also benefited from the stronger yen.
Display gross margins were higher in Q3 versus Q2, reflection of the higher volume.
SCP, volume was down more than 20% sequentially, and price declines were in line with our expectations.
While the Korean panel makers did run at lower utilization rates on average in Q3 versus Q2, SCP also lost some share in the quarter.
We expect to regain this share in Q4.
For your modeling purposes, SCP's third quarter LCD sales were about $850 million, a decline of 23% or $250 million from the second quarter.
Gross margins also fell significantly, driven by the lower volumes.
Now as a reminder, this represents SCP's LCD sales only.
Our public filings will report their total sales, which include CRT glass and other products.
Equity earnings from SCP's LCD business were $222 million, down 30% from Q2.
The lower earnings reflect the significant decline in volume and lower gross margin.
All in all, our total glass volume, including SCP, was down about 10% in the quarter.
This is in comparison to the worldwide glass market that also declined 10%.
Now, this may be a good time to educate some of our newer analysts and investors to the Display industry, specifically on differences between glass shipments, panel maker utilization rates, and panel shipments.
Historically, there has been a high correlation between glass shipments and panel maker utilization rates.
This makes sense intuitively, because the higher production rate, the more components like glass are being used.
However, there is little correlation between glass shipments and panel shipments.
Most of our analysts know this, but it is worth a refresher.
On this slide, you can see the sequential change in worldwide glass shipments to panel makers and then panel shipments to set assemblers by quarter for the last 3 years.
Note that 6 out of the last 15 quarters, one increased while the other declined.
This is mainly due to fluctuations in panel inventory.
The takeaway here is investors need to be cautious and not always assume glass shipments and panel shipments will move in the same direction every quarter.
Now as we told investors throughout September, panel inventories would likely decline during the quarter, as panel makers would run at lower utilization rates, but demand for panels would continue.
In Q3, panel shipments in total were up about 4%, while worldwide glass shipments were down about 10%.
Again, the difference is panel inventories.
To parse it even further, panel shipments outside of Korea were flat sequentially, while industry glass shipments outside of Korea were down 5%.
However, our glass shipments were up in the mid-single digits, indicating we regained share during the quarter.
Now turning to Korea, panel shipments were up 7% sequentially in Q3, while the industry's glass shipments in Korea were down 15%.
SCP shipments were down more than 20%, so we did lose some share in Korea.
But based on how much total glass shipments declined in Korea, it is not as much as some reports indicated.
At the retail level, we believe shipments from retail to consumers increased 19% year over year in the third quarter, reflecting continued strong demand.
As a result of the lower glass shipments into the supply chain, and the higher shipments of product out of the supply chain, weeks of inventory contracted significantly during the third quarter.
We believe the supply chain contracted by about 3 weeks, from 17 weeks at the beginning of Q3 to 14 weeks exiting the quarter.
Inventories and square feet are at a level we have not seen since early 2009.
Now turning to retail, we have complete worldwide data for August and some data by region for September.
As a reminder, our retail data always lags.
It takes between 4 and 6 weeks for our vendors to accumulate and analyze the data.
As you can see on this slide, worldwide sales of LCD televisions were very robust in Q3.
Unit sales were up 37% in July and 11% in August.
The lower August number reflects the completion of the digital conversion in Japan, which occurred at the end of July.
For the first 8 months of the year, LCD TV unit sales were up 20% year over year, in comparison to our full-year forecast of 13%.
We do have some September data as well.
In the US, television demand were up 13%, which is actually the strongest growth we have seen all year, following growth rates at 10% in July and August.
And for the first 2 weeks of October, sales in the US are up 13%.
In Japan, sales were down 51% in September, which is in line with our expectations.
As a reminder, LCD television sales shot through the roof in the third and fourth quarter last year as the echo point program was ending.
So, comparisons will continue to get tougher.
Last September, the growth rate in Japan was 80%.
It was 221% in October, and in November, it was 435%.
I would like to point out at the bottom of the slide are the unit growth rates year over year without Japan.
We believe that if you peel away the wide fluctuations driven by the ending of the echo point program last year and the digital conversion this year, you will get to a cleaner picture of how growth rates have been this year.
As you can see, actual growth rates are much smoother month-to-month.
We also look at growth rates on an area basis versus the unit basis.
This is actually a more meaningful metric to us, since we sell glass by the square foot.
On this chart, you will see the growth rates by quarter, including and excluding Japan.
The call from the previous side, we expect LCD TV units to grow 13% this year.
However, the fastest-growing category of televisions has been 40 inches and larger, and this is happening in developing regions too.
As a result, area growth is larger.
So all in all, LCD TV demand at retail continues to look good.
Now, I hope you all saw our product announcement yesterday.
Lotus Glass is a new environmentally friendly high-performance display glass developed to enable cutting-edge technologies including OLEDs and next-generation LCD displays.
The thermal consistency of Lotus Glass allows it to retain its shape and surface quality during high-temperature processing.
This helps guard against thermal sag and warp, which improves the integration of components onto the glass.
Lotus is already in production in our factories.
In Telecommunications, demand continued to be robust in Q3.
Sales were $560 million, up 2% versus Q2 and 21% versus last year.
Growth was in line with our expectations.
Enterprise networks and fiber to the home demand continues to be strong, both sequentially and year over year.
Enterprise network sales were up 10% over the last year, while fiber to the home was up over 30%.
Optical fiber demand was also very robust, up over 20% versus last year, driven primarily by North America, Europe, and China.
Net income, excluding that one-time post transaction accounting adjustment of $22 million, was $60 million in Q3, an increase of 30% sequentially and 46% year over year.
In Environmental, third quarter sales were $247 million and slightly lower than Q2.
Versus last year, sales were up 19%.
Sales were slightly lower sequentially than our expectations, due to lower market demand for light-duty filters.
Net income was $32 million in the third quarter, flat with Q2 but up significantly over last year.
In Specialty Materials, Q3 sales were $299 million, an increase of 6% over Q2 and up almost 90% versus a year ago.
We again saw significant gross margin expansion of this segment, led by Gorilla Glass.
Segment and income grew significantly from $23 million to $38 million.
Gorilla Glass sales were $210 million in Q3, an increase of 11% over the second quarter.
In Life Sciences, sales in the third quarter were $153 million and basically flat with Q2.
Versus last year's sales were up about 22%.
About 50% of that year over year growth is due to acquisitions.
Now turning to Dow Corning, Q3 sales were about $1.7 billion and were flat with Q2.
It's stronger poly sales but were offset by weaker silicone demand.
Earnings were impacted by higher raw materials costs and also benefited there from lower compensation accruals of the quarter.
Equity earnings for us were $89 million in Q3, versus $95 million in Q2.
I'll have some more details on Dow Corning and the outlook in a moment.
Now looking at the balance sheet, we ended Q3 with about $6.4 billion in cash and short-term investments, versus our current and long-term debt of just $2.3 billion.
Free cash flow was positive $269 million in Q3, a large sale flow in the cash during the quarter -- of cash during the quarter was capital spending, about $640 million.
CapEx will come in at of course slightly lower than our $2.4 billion estimate for this year.
Looking ahead to 2012, we now anticipate our capital spending will be closer to $1.8 billion, versus our previous estimate of $1.9 billion to $2 billion.
As you know, we've been working for some time to time with Samsung to move towards a larger cash dividend on a more consistent basis from SCP.
As I mentioned in the past, we prefer increasing the percentage of annual dividend payout, versus having to negotiate a special dividend.
We are delighted to report today that we have reached an agreement to increase the payout from 40% to 70%, effective in 2012.
This represents a significant increase in annual dividends from Samsung.
Now on to our outlook.
In Display we expect our total glass volume, which includes our wholly-owned business and SCP, to be up more than 10% sequentially.
At our wholly-owned business, we expect volumes to be flat to down slightly.
While panel maker utilizations are expected to be slightly higher on average in Taiwan, they are estimated to be lower in Japan.
At SCP, volumes are forecasted to be up at least 20%, due primarily to the company regaining share and higher utilization rates of panel makers.
We expect gross margin to rebound close to Q2 levels on the higher volume.
We expect the overall glass market to be up about 10% sequentially.
Now as I mentioned in the opening, we expect pricing pressure to be more significant in Q4 than in previous quarters.
We will likely lower pricing to a greater degree than we have in previous quarters, in order to keep our price premium at an acceptable level, allowing us to maintain our market position.
Pressure to lower prices has become greater [doing] the availability of excess glass in the market.
Remember, as a glassmaker, we have several levers to adjust our output.
These levers include slowing new capacity, accelerating tank repair schedules, and delaying the relight of tanks that are coming out of repair.
Corning and SCP expect to implement these levers as required to align supply with demand and minimize any inventory build.
We expect supply-chain inventories to fall again during the quarter, assuming the pace of retail continues and that we have estimated panel maker utilization rates correctly.
Based on our models, we expect weeks of inventory to fall below 14 exiting Q4.
In our Telecom segment, we expect fourth quarter sales to be down 10% to 15% sequentially.
This reflects normal seasonality and project timing.
Compared to last year, Q4 sales will be about 10% higher, and for the full year, Telecom sales will be well north of $2 billion or about 20% higher than 2010.
We expect sales in our Environmental segment to be down 5% to 10% and Life Sciences to be slightly lower sequentially, reflecting the normal seasonal declines in these areas.
In Specialty Materials, sales are expected to decline 15% sequentially across all product lines, and this does include Gorilla.
We don't have a lot of history on the seasonality in Gorilla yet, and also, we do know our customers are now improving their yields with glass, obviously very alert to potential impact to the economy on consumer spending for purchases of smartphones and tablets.
Gorilla right now is one of our toughest businesses to forecast, because we have no reliable reporting information on inventory.
Moving to the income statement, we expect our Q4 corporate gross margin to decline approximately 3%, due primarily to the higher price declines in Display, lower Gorilla Glass volume, as well as the non-repeat of the $16 million in one-time benefits in Q3, which, as a reminder, was mostly compensation accrual reversals.
SG&A is expected to be about 15% on a lower sales basis, ending around 9% of sales.
We expect equity earnings to be down 5% sequentially.
Higher equity earnings at SCP will be offset by lower earnings at Dow Corning.
We anticipate Dow Corning sales to be flat sequentially but gross margin earnings to be much lower.
There has been softer demand in the worldwide silicone market, placing further pressure on pricing.
Earnings will also be impacted by the non-repeat of lower compensation accruals.
These are the primary reasons why we expect to Dow Corning's equity earnings to be 40% lower sequentially.
Dow Corning is also feeling the effects of the turmoil in the solar industry.
The reduction of solar incentives and increasing inventories across the value chain have led to a softening in demand for solar materials, including poly.
We also already know of 1 customer who has announced they will be exiting the solar module market, and there could be others.
This softer market, combined with ample poly supply, has led to significant price declines in the poly spot market, which is likely to increase pricing pressure on Hemlock's long-term supply agreements.
Now as a reminder, it is important to remember that Dow Corning only owns 63% of Hemlock, and we own 50% of Dow Corning, so the relative impact to Corning's consolidated results is somewhat muted.
However, we will continue to monitor the solar situation and provide updates as needed.
Lastly, in other equity earnings, there will be a $12 million charge related to idling the manufacturing assets associated with Specialty Materials.
Moving to taxes, we expect our Q4 and our overall 2011 tax rate to be around 15%.
Investors should note that movements in the yen to US dollar exchange rate influence our results.
For your modeling purposes, for every 1-point move in the yen, our sales and net income move by about $9 million.
The net income impact includes SCP, where a stronger yen would also improve their results.
Now, before we move to Q&A, I would like to share some top-level thoughts about the display industry and glass market.
You'll recall, we entered 2011 forecasting the glass market to be approximately 3.7 billion square feet.
In the end, it's likely to finish around 3.2 billion.
About 50% of this 500 million square foot disconnect was the result of weaker than expected PC and television demand.
The other 50% is due to the contraction of the supply chain in the second half.
In fact, this is the first time we have seen retail demand in square foot exceed glass demand for us in a given year.
What is important to note here is, despite a weaker retail environment, retail demand will still be up 13% year over year this year.
This gives us confidence when supply-chain correction ends, we will see glass market growth again.
Looking ahead to 2012, we expect retail demand to grow, potentially in the double-digit range again.
And assuming the supply chain continues to run at these historically low inventory levels, it does not contract further, and glass demand would be consistent with retail demand.
We of course could see the more robust glass market, if the supply chain were to increase inventory levels, perhaps to 15 weeks.
The bottom line here is the supply chain will enter 2012 with inventory levels close to historic lows, and if retail continues to hold up, then 2012 glass demand will be stronger.
That completes my formal comments this morning.
Ken?
Ken Sofio - VP, IR
Great.
Thank you, Jim.
Robert, we are ready to take some questions now.
Operator
Thank you.
(Operator Instructions).
Amir Rozwadowski from Barclays Capital.
Please go ahead.
Amir Rozwadowski - Analyst
Thank you very much, and good morning, Jim and Ken.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Good morning, Amir.
Amir Rozwadowski - Analyst
Jim, just as your closing comments, you spent a lot of time talking about sort of the retail demand on the end market versus glass shipments.
Obviously, we are at historic lows here, based on your estimates.
And we started to see some of the Korean folks indicate that they are picking up utilization rates.
When do you think that, that transition could take place?
I mean, are you seeing signs, any emerging signs that, that transition could take place with glass shipments could more closely mirror retail demand here?
Or are you still cautious about that in terms of visibility?
Because we are obviously coming closer to the holiday season here, and it feels like at some point, there has to be decision made in terms of utilization and increasing inventory in order to meet that demand.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
We have seen an increase in utilization in Korea already.
So, that's where the biggest reduction was in Q3, and we think that they have now increased.
And obviously have the capability of getting televisions to retail around the world, both for the holiday season -- and as a reminder, in the US, television demand remains strong in January and February, driven in some cases by things like the Super Bowl.
So, we believe we are starting to see that.
I can't say for sure that people won't drive inventory lower, but it definitely feels like there has been a response upward now after these cutbacks in Q3.
Amir Rozwadowski - Analyst
Do you feel from a channel inventory perspective that this is sort of the new level at which folks are going to be operating, so that perhaps the pickup in demand would not necessarily result in increase in weeks of inventory?
Or do you feel like there has to be some level of snap back at some point to prior levels?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
That is a great question, Amir.
We have actually commissioned a project to determine, as this industry moves into maturity, whether in fact it can run without creating out-of-stocks at a lower-level inventory.
There some reason to think that in developed markets.
On the other hand, we know the supply chain is actually longer to the less developed areas of the world, where of course LCDs showing up in significant proportion.
So, we will have a more definitive answer in quarter 1.
I think our expectation is it is unlikely that we will ever leap back up to the 17 week kind of level.
We are hopeful that we can stay in the 13 to 14 week level.
If it just stabilized there, then we could see this retail demand flow through to us as glass makers, and that would be great.
Amir Rozwadowski - Analyst
Fantastic.
And then lastly, if I may, I know there was some comments in your prepared remarks around the Specialty Materials growth and sort of lack of visibility in terms of forward growth outlook.
I was wondering, obviously our checks have been suggesting that tablet growth remains strong.
Smartphone growth remains fairly strong in this environment.
How should we think about sort of the growth dynamics of that business?
Do you expect it to be sort of dependent on specific product launches of your customers?
Or how should we think about sort of normalized growth levels there?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
It is very hard for us to give you a percentage in growth.
We do expect significant growth next year.
We continue to have in the smartphone area more people putting Gorilla on phones.
We are not experiencing competition as we go to get on a new phone.
It happens, and people don't change class on a phone mid-model.
They do it when there is a new model.
So, for the year next year, we are expecting growth in volume terms.
It is a little harder for us to predict quarter by quarter, because we have no reliable inventory information in this business.
And also, because it is such a new business, our customers actually have manufacturing losses as they finish the glass to put it into phones or tablets.
And we think they have been improving their yields, and that is having some impact on our demand right now.
My last comment would be that one of the other things that we have is, we do a mixture of selling glass as well as selling finished parts.
We don't sell finished parts to that many people.
We do to some.
And that is an area where in the fourth quarter we are seeing lower part demand.
And that is really customer specific.
Amir Rozwadowski - Analyst
Great.
Thank you very much for the incremental color.
Operator
Thank you.
Next we will go to the line of Mark Sue, RBC Capital Markets.
Mark Sue - Analyst
Thank you.
Jim, there is some notion that retail demand may be backwards or present looking, while panel makers' intentions are forward-looking.
If the macro environment that we are in persists, can we get to a scenario where glass volumes can contract as they did in 2008?
Or is that magnitude highly unlikely?
I am just trying to think of the scenarios that you might be planning for internally.
And then just on the price cuts, is this just a 1-quarter phenomenon?
How do we think about prices going forward?
Does the rate of decline return in the first quarter, or do customers -- do they become trained on potentially more price cuts?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Well, I will take the latter one first, on price cuts.
You know, over the last 5 years, we have had several periods where price declines were stronger in a given quarter, and then they returned to being at a lower level.
That is obviously our hope.
I cannot guarantee that.
But I can demonstrate to you that there have been -- this is the fourth time, but there have been 3 times before that over the last 5 years where there was a period of time when panel utilization was down.
There was obviously excess glass demand that led to bigger price declines.
We obviously don't want to give up our market position, and then after that, the price declines went to the more moderate level.
I cannot guarantee that, but that is really what has happened in the past.
Relative to the economy, I'm actually not an economist.
But clearly, with the high percentage growth we have seen in television so far this year, as you can see, we are not expecting that to be -- when we get to the holiday season, that we will have the same percentages.
But we do expect them to be up.
We have historically seen that, by and large, consumers continue to spend money in consumer electronics in tough times.
In fact, last year in the US, an example in television demand was weak.
We're not sure that it was really the economy so much as the industry got it wrong in trying to force a lot of high-priced product on them.
So, we have seen historically that consumer electronics has been a good demand, even in tough times.
And so we are not counting on that.
We do think television manufacturers will continue to fine-tune their offerings, perhaps to be more on the lower end.
But as a reminder from us, from the glass point of view, we are happy to sell the same amount of glass in the low-end 40-inch television as a high-end 40-inch television.
The terms of smartphones and tablets, we think they're likely to remain a viable purchase.
In tough times, people back away from cars, they back away from homes, they back away from going out to dinner, they do go to the movies.
So, we are not sure.
But maybe the panel makers are right.
Maybe they are seeing something that we are not.
But I think that -- we think most of the reduction has been around inventory, and when you don't make much money, you don't want to take much inventory risk.
Mark Sue - Analyst
That's helpful.
And then, maybe just on Gorilla Glass.
As we look at that opportunity, have you had some time to kind of recalibrate the magnitude of that?
Is it still kind of an $800 million opportunity?
Does that nudge higher, considering the resilience of some of the products?
What are your thoughts on just kind of coverage glass for Gorilla applications on TVs?
Is that starting to percolate as well?
How should we kind of think about that over the longer term?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
We're obviously disappointed with cover on televisions with our experience this year.
First of all, Sony did not put them on as many models as we expected.
And second of all, we have not gotten any other manufacture to move ahead on this.
That being said, Corning is kind of a stubborn or patient company.
We actually believe frameless designs will become more successful, and we hope that Gorilla will be part of that.
We think as television manufacturers figure out a way to make the picture go closer to the edge of the screen, that they in fact will be likely to adopt more of a frameless design.
And we think there is technologies that could enable that to happen.
So, it has been a disappointment.
Investors probably shouldn't count on a lot of help from TV cover for Gorilla this year and next.
But we are long-term players, and we think it definitely could be an opportunity going forward.
Mark Sue - Analyst
That's helpful.
Thank you, and good luck gentlemen.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you.
And we will go to the line of Rod Hall from JPMorgan.
Rod Hall - Analyst
Yes.
Good morning, guys.
Thanks for taking my question.
Jim, I guess my main question is regarding if the inventory shrinks out there in the channel, and it doesn't feel like we know exactly what the bottom is.
You would think that the manufacturers might be looking to suppliers like you to help buffer some of that.
I don't know, the lack of inventory out there to make sure that supplies continue to run.
I'm just wondering whether you would anticipate having to carry more inventory yourself in order to somehow buffer out that lower inventory out in the channel, if there are any other effects on your business that way that we ought to be thinking about.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
We haven't experienced that yet.
We definitely have rebuilt our inventories to be what we call a normal level.
We obviously now have excess glass capacity.
We try to limit our own glass capacity to be closer to end demand.
But obviously, we are going to retain some flexibility, so should our customers crank up suddenly, we can try to respond to them.
But we right now are not planning on carrying any excess inventory.
Rod Hall - Analyst
Okay.
So they are not pushing you to build buffers or anything like that?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
That's correct.
Rod Hall - Analyst
Okay.
And I just wanted to follow up.
You had mentioned manufacturing assets for Specialty Materials that you shut down.
Could you just give us more color on that?
I'm not sure if you said anything in the comments.
I didn't catch anything.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Well, obviously Gorilla is not going to hit our original estimates, so we are throttling back manufacturing of Gorilla, because we are obviously not above $800 million this year.
So, we had the capacity to do that.
We don't have the demand.
Obviously, the biggest miss is TV cover, so we are throttling back some of that manufacturing, and that is going to be a drag in Q4.
Rod Hall - Analyst
And is that like 1 tank worth or more?
Can you give us any idea what the order of magnitude of the reduction in capacity is?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
No.
I'm sorry.
I won't do that for competitive reasons.
Rod Hall - Analyst
Thanks a lot, Jim.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Thanks, Rod.
Operator
Next we will go to the line of Wamsi Mohan from Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Wamsi Mohan - Analyst
Good morning.
Jim, can you help reconcile the commentary around the expectation of glass inventory exiting this year below 14 weeks or well below 2009 levels, yet increased pricing pressure, given excess glass supply?
So, I guess my question is, is there a certain number of weeks of inventory that we can look to, to expect the price pressure to revert back to normal declines?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
I wouldn't relate the pricing pressure at all to the weeks of inventory in supply chain.
I just want to remind you what the weeks we are talking about.
We are talking about the combination of panel inventories, set assembly inventories, and retail inventories as we measure in that total square foot equivalents against retail demand.
So, we don't think that really has much impact on pricing.
Where it has an impact on pricing is not the absolute level, it is when our panel makers are trying to reduce inventory, they're obviously selling more than what they are buying from us.
Therefore, that is a period of time when they try to appeal for higher price cuts.
And clearly, the glass industry, in total, had built capacity around the growth this year, as I indicated in my remarks, to get up to potentially service 3.7 billion square feet.
Clearly, there is enough glass capacity to do that.
So it is when you have a combination of more glass capacity than demand, and that is accentuated when the panel makers are cutting inventory that you get more price pressure.
Wamsi Mohan - Analyst
So, then that conclusion being 14 weeks of inventory, but there is a lot more at glass than at other parts of the supply chain?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
We don't measure the supply chain, other than the -- when we say the supply chain, we are measuring what is glass embedded in panels out a panel maker, what is glass embedded in finished sets at assembly level, and what is glass embedded in televisions at a retail level.
Wamsi Mohan - Analyst
Okay, thanks.
And as a follow-up, can you give a little more color on what changed in the end of September, the cost the volumes at SCP to be down 20% versus the 35% that you expected when you reported last quarter?
And did you institute any price cuts within the course of the third quarter?
You might have mentioned it.
I might have missed that.
Thanks.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
We did not institute any pricing in Q3.
Our pricing was as we had expected.
We were -- it wasn't 35%.
It was 30%, I believe, and we were above 20%.
And so, I will just say that, in the end, from what we thought when we got it Labor Day, what our customers finally took was a little bit more.
But there was no specific action on our part to make that happen.
Wamsi Mohan - Analyst
Okay.
Thanks, Jim.
Operator
Nikos Theodosopoulos from UBS.
Nikos Theodosopoulos - Analyst
Yes, thank you.
I guess the first question, just getting back to the Gorilla outlook for the fourth quarter, the sequential decline.
How confident are you that this is not a share loss situation?
It just seems to me that it is still young in the business, and since you have not sold a lot of TV cover glass, that you should be tracking pretty well the growth of smartphone and tablets, which I think people are expecting to be up sequentially in the fourth quarter.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Nikos, we are pretty confident it is not competition.
We are very hard-pressed to actually find a competitive device that actually has any of our competitors' glass in it, except for when earlier this year when we couldn't supply everybody.
We are not feeling them in terms of when we go into competition with somebody and price pressures, so we are pretty confident against competition.
What we have less visibility on is the amount of inventory people have bought, how rapidly they are improving their yields, which were quite low initially, and that may be having an impact on us.
So, we think those things probably are having more impact on us than any competition is.
And we are also struggling a little bit with the mix from our customers.
Some customers have not been as successful as others.
And that has had some impact on us against our expectations.
So, clearly those customers did build some inventory.
Nikos Theodosopoulos - Analyst
Got it.
And back on the pricing commentary, it seems that your competitors used price specific to Korea in the quarter to capture share, and you are responding.
What's your sense of why that doesn't continue into the first quarter next year, given the weak demand outlook?
What is the confidence that it doesn't persist beyond the fourth quarter?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Well, I won't comment on our competition and what they're doing.
I will just say, as I did in my earlier commentary, we have experienced periods in the past where we have had a combination of where glass demand has been weaker, whether that is from retail, but usually it's from panel makers wanting to cut the amount of inventory they have, and glass capacity in the industry being greater than that.
And that is often the opportunity where we see more price declines.
We then reduce our price premium over our competition, and we move back to more normal price declines.
As I said earlier, I cannot guarantee that is going to happen.
But clearly, that is what we want to happen, and that is what has happened in the past.
We will -- we intend to price to maintain our position.
We're not the price leaders, but we tend to price to maintain our position.
Nikos Theodosopoulos - Analyst
Okay.
And then, just one last question, Jim.
From time to time, you give updates on cost reduction that you have achieved in Display.
Do you have a sense of what that will be this year for the Company?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
I think it is going to be quite good, but I'm not prepared to give out a number this year.
We will probably talk about it at our investor meeting in February.
Nikos Theodosopoulos - Analyst
Okay.
Thank you.
Operator
Jim Suva from Citi.
Jim Suva - Analyst
Thank you, Jim, and congratulations to you and your team there at Corning.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Thank you, Jim.
Jim Suva - Analyst
Can you maybe quantify little bit by what you mean by pricing pressure to be a little more significant?
I mean, there's ranges out there all the way.
Are we talking down 5%, 10%, 15% quarter-over-quarter?
It really does move the model quite a bit, and a little bit of commentary, that would be appreciated.
And then the follow-up question, Jim, would be, is with the Chinese New Year now earlier this year and China surpassing North America for sales, thereby underscoring the importance of China, shouldn't kind of calendar Q4 demand for glass and pricing kind of be strongest in Q4?
And what are we looking at for seasonality going forward, given the importance of China compared to -- North America used to be the most important continent?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
So, I would say in Q4, we would think that the glass demand will be the highest, slightly higher than it was in Q2.
And that has not always been the case in this industry.
Clearly, China is very important.
The holidays in China, as you know, are more difficult to gauge, because even though some of them fall exactly on the same date every year, sometimes they move around.
But also, what has really happened in China is the promotions around holidays have expanded, so it has made it a little more difficult to say, well, it fell exactly during this period of time.
But time -- definitely China is becoming more important.
That is one of the reasons why we are investing in China.
And particularly around our supply to BOE, we are starting to ramp there to an 8.5.
And China is an important part of our mix going forward, and we expect it to provide quite a bit of growth.
Regarding pricing, I'm sorry I have to disappoint you.
I'm not going to quantify it.
But I will just say, in quarter 4 it will be up significantly over quarters 1, 2, and 3.
Jim Suva - Analyst
Okay.
Thank you very much, Jim.
Operator
George Notter from Jefferies.
George Notter - Analyst
Thanks very much.
I just wanted to ask about some of the other non-traditional competitors in the glass market.
Are you seeing AvanStrate?
Are you seeing LG Chem?
Any signs that those guys are finally going to produce quality glass at some point in the future?
Thanks.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Well, AvanStrate has always produced quality glass.
They just have not been that large a player in terms of capacity, nor that much of an upsetter to the industry in terms of significant price moves or capacity additions.
But basically, they have been -- they can make glass for all generations, including Gen 8.
LG Chem, we have not experienced at all.
We know they have started melting glass in I think May or June, and we have not felt them at all.
We know that they have made a few pieces that they provided to panel makers.
We would love to get a piece to test.
But we don't believe they are making quantities of good glass at all.
George Notter - Analyst
Do you anticipate that those guys can come into the market at some point in the future and be successful competitors?
Or is that still a view that says the barriers to entry in this space are really significant?
For example, in times past, you guys have been pretty downbeat about the idea that they could be a real competitor in the longer term.
Is that still the case?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Well, we would say that the challenge is pretty great for them.
They are using the flow technology, which only one of our competitors uses.
We are well down the cost curve, and they are just getting in for the first time.
And the product requirements keep getting higher.
For example, going to thin, the glass keeps getting thinner.
And so it's not -- they made this decision to get into the business 3 years ago.
And the product line has changed.
And our customers' requirements continue to ramp up also.
For example, the recent announcement of Lotus for OLEDs.
Clearly, our customers want a higher temperature capable glass.
So, we would say the barriers remain very steep.
But we will see if they can mount it, but that is not our chief worry in life.
Operator
Simona Jankowski from Goldman Sachs.
Simona Jankowski - Analyst
Thanks very much.
Jim, can you just also update us on your latest [Samsung pole] specifically, especially now that you have come out with product for that technology?
Certainly, it seems like Samsung is getting more optimists on the ramp there.
And it is our understanding that all the TVs will use 1 less piece of glass longer term.
So, how do you view the penetration of that technology and its potential negative impact on your opportunity?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Well, we feel that we are delighted with our Lotus introduction.
We have a glass that Samsung has qualified to use in their small generation OLEDs.
They remain effectively the world's only volume producer of OLEDs.
We are at work at providing a glass for OLED production in larger formats.
We are looking to improve our glass for use in TFT oxide production capability.
We have a customer who wants to use EAGLE XG for that.
And we are working to improve the thermal characteristics of that.
So, as always, we have said before, we're fundamentally arms merchants, and we will make a glass that will meet our customers' needs.
If, in fact, someone is going to only 1 piece of glass, we will have to deal with that.
We don't expect that to be the case.
We have some information that some of the large OLED televisions that are being shown this week in Asia, again, they are still using 2 pieces of glass.
And so, I think this remains a hope from some people, that they can go to 1 piece of glass.
It is not clear to us that they will get the performance, nor the cost, because the cost of glass continues to go down at a very rapid rate.
So, we alert to it, but I think our Lotus development is exactly what we expect to continue to do.
And so, as people try to move to Gen 8 OLEDs, we will have a product for them.
And we think in the end, that we will be able to prove that glass can be the second piece in the product.
But we have obviously got to make that happen, and that is what we are working on.
Simona Jankowski - Analyst
Thank you for that.
And just another follow-up on the pricing dynamics.
In the past, when you have had those couple of examples or instances when you had to take corrective action in pricing, it was pretty short-lived.
This time, though, it seems like we have had a negative profit margin for the panel makers for more than 3 quarters now, and it looks like it is going to last well into next year.
And then, if you add into that mix that the OLED transition and then the move to thin glass, wouldn't you paint a picture that maybe structurally, we are entering a period of greater pace of glass price decline?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Well, I think that is speculation.
I know we know what history was and we know we will be assertive about maintaining our market position, but I'm not going to speculate on the quarters going forward.
I think our job is to deliver a product to our customers that helps them by being better at improving their processes.
We are -- we will be price competitive.
But I can't -- I'm not going to make speculation about where the industry is going, going forward.
Simona Jankowski - Analyst
Okay.
Thank you, Jim.
Operator
Ajit Pai from Stifel Nicholas.
Ajit Pai - Analyst
Good morning.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Good morning.
Ajit Pai - Analyst
A couple of quick questions.
The first is on your Telecom business.
It was probably the strongest quarter in terms of revenue and profitability you have delivered, I think, in almost 10 years, since, I think, '01.
So just looking at that, I know you have guided to the (inaudible) for the December quarter, but can we expect those metrics over the next couple of years to continue to improve?
Or do you think at some kind of peak?
And also -- so, first that, and then I'll ask the others.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Well, we think Telecom is in a very good position.
Obviously, you know it remains as a capital spending decision by our customers, so they always can change.
But we think our innovation has really paid off, and we are quite confident about the fiber to the home projects.
Our technology and enterprise has been a winner, and clearly, the world needs more fiber.
And a lot of that is driven by data usage is up, wireless is up, and a very strong demand for fiber.
So, I won't say that it will improve, but our own plans show for good growth for Telecom over the next few years.
Ajit Pai - Analyst
So, is it safe to assume that the margins from these sort of operating margins of 20%-plus can continue for that business?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Yes, I believe that our operating margin in this business will be strong.
The products that are seeing the most demand are higher-margin mix.
So, I think our operating margins in Telecom will remain strong.
Ajit Pai - Analyst
And there aren't any capacity constraints for Corning right now in that business to continue to grow?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
There definitely are capacity constraints, and we are spending some capital in Telecom for the first time in basically 10 years.
Ajit Pai - Analyst
Got it.
And then the second question is, just looking at what is happening in the [portable take] of the solar markets, and you have given us some commentary on Dow Corning or Hemlock seeing some weakness there.
Have you reprioritized your investments in glass for the overall for the [portable] opportunity on the DFT side?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
No, we are completing the tank that we designed specifically for this.
We still remain hopeful that we will have a customer committed to it.
We think the overall developments in the solar industry actually put more reason why someone should turn to using -- in thin film, using a glass that raises their efficiency.
And we continue to believe our glass will do that.
We have had some exciting new developments in terms of the progress we are making, on making in improving our glass as good for our customers and their efficiency.
And so, we're continuing to move ahead with it.
We might be wrong, but we are continuing to move ahead, and I think we still remain hopeful for next year.
Ajit Pai - Analyst
Got it.
And then the last question is, just looking at the stepped-up dividend from Samsung Corning and uses of cash, the M&A environment, you talked about focusing little bit more on M&A over the past couple of years.
Could you give us some color as to whether that focus has changed?
Are you still looking at potentially bolstering your other businesses outside of Display?
I think you have talked about Telecom and Life Sciences as potential leaders.
Has there been any change in that or greater interest in that?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
I would say there is greater interest in us using some of our excess cash flow to supplement our growth in Telecom and in Life Sciences, and we are trying to do that.
We obviously want to spend the money wisely.
But we definitely have that as a higher priority.
Ajit Pai - Analyst
Got it.
Thank you so much.
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Thank you.
Ken Sofio - VP, IR
This is Ken.
I'm going to interject quick.
We are pushing 9.30, and I want to be respectful of folks who have got to jump off when the market opens.
So, we're going to take one more caller.
I know there's quite a few people who still in the queue, but if your question did not get answered, please call Ann and I after the call.
We will take one last call.
Operator
Thank you.
Ehud Gelblum from Morgan Stanley.
Ehud Gelblum - Analyst
Hi, Ken.
Hi, Jim.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate getting in there.
Jim, on the lower CapEx guidance, is that -- can we interpret that to mean that you are converting less tanks to Gorilla so have to replace them?
Is that the reason for that?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
It is in our glass industry that we are spending less capital.
Ehud Gelblum - Analyst
Okay.
Appreciate that.
On the Gorilla side, there's been a lot of talk here about strong end-user demand for iPads and such for Gorilla in Q4.
Is there -- which is out of concert what you are talking about for your Gorilla shipments -- but is there any lead time involved?
So, for instance, did you ship a lot of Gorilla perhaps in Q3 that will go into the strong Q4, and perhaps are we looking at maybe your Q4 Gorilla shipments as -- are more to supply the end demand in Q1?
Or are lead times only a couple of weeks, so we should assume that retail demand in a particular quarter is equal to your Gorilla demand?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
We don't have a good metric on exactly how long the supply chain is yet for Gorilla, so it is hard for me to judge.
I will say that we believe we shipped a little bit more in September as a result of the Chinese holiday, and therefore there was a shutdown in production.
So that may be part of it.
But we just don't have a good model yet, like we do in Display, about exactly how much inventory -- the yields of our customers and how much inventory they are carrying.
Ehud Gelblum - Analyst
I appreciate that.
On the glass side, I appreciate your not wanting to talk about your own pricing actions in Q4.
Is there a sense that you can give us as to what your competitors did with pricing in Q3?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
No.
I think you'll have to ask them.
Ehud Gelblum - Analyst
Okay.
A quick question on the Telecom side.
There have been comments from other companies further, further down the supply chain in the equipment vendors side, claiming that there have been fiber shortages in various parts of the world in the Telecom side.
Are you seeing demand for fiber outstripping yours and others' supply?
Does that jive with what you are seeing, that there could actually be expanding lead times on telecom fiber?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
So, fiber has definitely been tight for most of this year, so that is definitely the case in terms of lead times expanding.
We do not believe it goes to double ordering, though.
Ehud Gelblum - Analyst
Okay.
And then finally, on the thin glass.
We have seen some reports of panel makers recently talking about there being a big move towards thin glass of the next couple of years, much faster than I was expecting, so that possibly in 2013 or so we could see a vast majority of TVs from certain manufacturers start moving over to thin glass.
How quickly do you think that -- are you seeing that, first of all, and how quickly do think we are going to get to a 50%-60% or 70% of the glass shipments into TVs being thin glass?
And just from what I saw, it looked a little bit faster than I had been expecting.
And when that happens and your competitors actually will fully get there as well, how do you measure or balance the pluses of having better gross margins out of your tanks from producing thin glass versus there being additional supply of glass, therefore, in the market than there was today?
Maybe 40% or something more.
And how that impacts pricing?
How do you balance those 2 forces?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
So, what we would say is that first of all, we continue to see good acceptance of thin by our customers.
As a reminder, our customers have to change their process a little to take thin glass, so it is not as easy as when we just make a composition change.
But we're continuing to see that move ahead.
It is in our plans and I think in most of the industry's plans, that over the next 4-year period of time, that thin moves up to well over half of the glass being taken.
I think all the glassmaking industry has taken this into account in planning their incremental glass additions.
We think the glass industry will be slowing its glass capacity additions quite a bit.
And it you should expect to see that reflect in our numbers, and that wouldn't surprise me if we saw it in the entire industry.
So I think the industry is preparing for this, and I don't think the pace is going to come as a surprise to many people.
Ehud Gelblum - Analyst
Terrific.
One last question, if I could, on the Hemlock side.
The expansion that is either occurring now or shortly will be occurring in Tennessee.
Would there be any change to those expansion plans, given what seems to be going on in the market?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
We expect to continue our Tennessee expansion, whether -- how many phases of it is something that obviously has to be looked at.
But clearly, right now, we have a need for the first part of it.
Ehud Gelblum - Analyst
I appreciate it.
Very helpful.
Thanks so much.
Ken Sofio - VP, IR
Thank you.
Jim?
Jim Flaws - Vice Chairman & CFO
Just a couple of closing remarks, if I could.
First of all, we will be presenting at 3 conferences this quarter.
November 15 will be at the UBS technology conference in New York.
November 29 we will be at the CS First Boston technology conference in Scottsdale.
And on December 8, we will be at the Barclays technology conference in San Francisco.
And we really hope you can join us at one of these events.
We also have a date now for our annual investor meeting in New York City.
It will be held on Friday, February 3, starting at 8 AM and will end around noon.
If you would like to see more details or register, go to our investor relations website.
Just a couple of other comments.
It's obviously a difficult economic environment, and we're dealing with a significant contraction in the Display supply chain in the second half.
But to remind people, we are on pace to reach $7.9 billion in sales this year, which would be the highest level in Corning's history.
And even during this tough times, our Telecom business will top $2 billion, and our diesel business will actually exceed $500 million for the first time ever.
Our newest product, Gorilla Glass, is expected to triple in sales, and it already has become our second-highest gross margin product.
And we think the sales growth this year gives us confidence that we are still on track to reach our goal of $10 billion by 2014.
Lastly, we continue to feel very confident about our long-term business prospects and our ability to generate cash on a consistent basis.
We recently took action consistent with this long-term outlook.
We announced a $1.5 billion stock buyback program and a 50% increase in our quarterly dividend.
Increased dividends moves our yield up to approximately 2.5%, based on our current stock price.
Regarding the share buyback, our decision was based on the opinion that the Company's current stock price represented a significant discount to the real value of Corning's businesses.
We understand the short-term concerns relative to recent macro events, but our Board's recent action reflects our belief that the long-term value of our businesses is substantially greater than our current share price.
We expect to be active in the market repurchasing our stock very soon.
Ken?
Ken Sofio - VP, IR
Thank you, Jim, and thanks, everyone, for joining us today.
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Operator
Thank you.