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  • Operator

  • Good day, and welcome to the Five Below Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call.

  • Today's conference is being recorded.

  • At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Christiane Pelz, VP of Investor Relations.

  • Please go ahead, ma'am.

  • Christiane Pelz

  • Thank you, Bethany.

  • Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining us today for Five Below's Second Quarter 2017 Financial Results Conference Call.

  • On today's call are Joel Anderson, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Ken Bull, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer.

  • After management has made their formal remarks, we will open the call to questions.

  • I need to remind you that certain comments made during this call may constitute forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to and within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, as amended.

  • Such forward-looking statements are subject to both known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements.

  • Those risks and uncertainties are described in the press release in Five Below's SEC filings.

  • The forward-looking statements made today are as of the date of this call, and we do not undertake any obligation to update our forward-looking statements.

  • If you do not have a copy of today's press release, you may obtain one by visiting the Investor Relations page of our website at fivebelow.com.

  • I will now turn the call over to Joel.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Thank you, Christiane, and thanks, everyone, for joining us for our second quarter earnings call.

  • Before we begin our prepared remarks, I would like to take a moment to discuss the devastating hurricane that hit Texas last weekend.

  • Our thoughts and prayers remain with all those impacted by Hurricane Harvey, including those we hold dear, our associates and customers.

  • We also want to send our thanks to all the emergency and disaster relief workers and volunteers that continue to save lives and provide safety to those who need.

  • Given the superstorm has not yet ended, the full extent of the damage will not be known for some time, though we certainly hope that the worst has passed and the rebuilding process can soon begin.

  • We are heartened by the acts of kindness being shown across the region.

  • And in the coming weeks, we will work to provide recovery assistance to our associates and our store communities.

  • I will now review the highlights of the quarter before handing it over to Ken to discuss our financials and outlook, and then we'll open up the call for questions.

  • We are extremely pleased with our second quarter performance.

  • Sales, comps and earnings all outperformed and surpassed guidance.

  • Sales increased 29% to $283 million and earnings per share grew 67% to $0.30, representing one of the highest growth quarters we have achieved since Five Below's IPO 5 years ago.

  • Sales growth was driven by continued strong results from our new stores and a high transaction-driven comp of 9.3%.

  • During the quarter, we opened 31 new stores in diverse markets across a range of 13 states.

  • We continue to concentrate our openings in existing markets in line with our densification strategy that we believe will drive brand awareness.

  • Our growing scale also provides us with even better access to great shopping centers with solid traffic and well-known national co-tenants.

  • Our California stores continued to perform well in the second quarter.

  • Given the state's population density and trend-conscious consumers, we believe the opportunity for Five Below in California is significant and look forward to expanding our presence in Southern California over the next couple of years.

  • In the first half of 2017, we opened 62 new stores, representing approximately 60% of our planned store openings in 2017, which is a similar cadence to 2016.

  • As we previously mentioned, the entire 2017 class of stores will feature the refreshed Five Below store experience with even more visual appeal, brighter lighting and signage, better defined worlds and several new interactive displays.

  • We are committed to innovating and continuously improving the store experience to delight our customers as we firmly believe this, combined with our edited assortment and great value, is what differentiates Five Below and keeps our customers excited to come back.

  • Moving onto comp.

  • Our 9.3% comp was our highest quarterly comp since the IPO and above our 8% high-end guidance.

  • We are very pleased with the solid broad-based performance of our core business led by Room, Tech, Create and Candy and a strong contribution from trends, primarily spinners as well as slime and smiley-related products.

  • Five Below's years of experience managing trends from beginning to end is a key skill set of our merchandising organization.

  • When the spinner trend first emerged in Q1, our teams quickly sourced product and then brought innovation and freshness to the category in Q2 through new novelty spinners with different features, shapes and colors.

  • For example, we introduced a Bluetooth spinner and a pen with a spinner top.

  • Trends are also great because they build brand awareness, introduce new customers to Five Below, drive incremental transactions and increase sales.

  • Five Below's increasing scale enables us to be even more nimble and rapidly capitalize on emerging trends.

  • It also provides us with access to differentiated products we could not have sourced just a few years ago.

  • We will continue to leverage our skills, scale, global sourcing universe and our deep vendor relationships to reinvest in product, innovate and offer even more value, newness and wow to our customers.

  • Moving on to marketing.

  • We continue to optimize our mix of traditional and digital media to increase brand awareness, traffic and loyalty.

  • In Q2, we distributed print circulars during peak summer weeks and conducted a successful TV test in markets covering about 25% of our stores.

  • This year, the TV ad was focused on our in-store experience and featured a broader product mix.

  • We are pleased with the results and now expect summer TV to remain part of our media mix going forward.

  • With regards to other digital initiatives, we are testing various mobile and social media campaigns and becoming even more targeted in our outreach.

  • Additionally, we believe our e-commerce channel provides an easy mobile shopping tool for our digitally savvy customers.

  • E-com is still a very small piece of our business, and store growth and in-store experience remain our primary focus.

  • Overall, we are pleased with the progress we have made across our marketing initiatives and look forward to leveraging our learnings in Q4.

  • With respect to systems and infrastructure, we continue our disciplined strategy of phased growth.

  • As planned, in preparation for Q4, we have begun the process of building out additional space in our New Jersey distribution center.

  • We are currently conducting a distribution network study to determine future configuration options to service our continued growth.

  • Separately, on the systems side, we have begun the multiyear project of upgrading our POS systems.

  • Turning to the Q3 product offering.

  • Our stores are set for back-to-school.

  • From trend-right, wow products and room, style and tech to cool, fun backpacks, all at $5 and below.

  • We believe our stores are stocked with what our customers just got to have.

  • While several important weeks still lie ahead, we are pleased with the start of Q3.

  • Before I turn it over to Ken, I want to acknowledge a key milestone that Five Below celebrated in Q2.

  • In July, we commemorated the fifth anniversary of going public with a special celebration that included associates ringing the opening bell at NASDAQ.

  • Since the IPO, we've nearly tripled our store count, more than tripled our revenue and quadrupled our net income.

  • What makes us even more remarkable is how consistent our growth and results have been.

  • It definitely feels great to celebrate this milestone anniversary with one of our best quarters of sales, comp and earnings growth ever as a public company.

  • In summary, we are extremely pleased with our performance thus far in 2017, yet we remain firmly focused on the remainder of the year.

  • We believe we are well positioned to deliver the all-important fourth quarter as well as on our goals for this year.

  • We are excited to show our customers an unbelievable lineup of product that we believe will wow them.

  • Our results continue to reinforce the universal appeal of Five Below and the strength, consistency and flexibility of our model, giving us confidence in both our 2,000 plus store potential and our ability to achieve 20% top line growth with 20% plus bottom line growth through 2020.

  • With that, I'll turn it over to Ken.

  • Ken?

  • Kenneth R. Bull - CFO and Treasurer

  • Thanks, Joel, and good afternoon, everyone.

  • I will begin my remarks with a review of our second quarter results and then discuss our outlook for the third quarter and full year.

  • Our sales in the second quarter of 2017 were $283.3 million, up 28.7% from $220.1 million reported in the second quarter of 2016.

  • We opened 31 stores during the quarter compared to 33 opened in the second quarter of 2016.

  • We ended the quarter with 584 stores, an increase of 93 stores or 19% versus 491 stores at the end of the second quarter of 2016.

  • Comparable sales increased by 9.3% for the second quarter of 2017 as compared to a 3.1% comp increase in the second quarter of 2016.

  • The comp increase for the second quarter of 2017 was driven almost solely by an increase in comp transactions.

  • Solid broad-based performance in our core business combined with the strong spinner trend drove the comp and transaction results.

  • It is very difficult to determine the exact impact spinners had on our results, but we do know that it introduced new customers to Five Below and drove transactions.

  • Gross profit increased 34.3% to $98.5 million from the $73.4 million reported in the second quarter of 2016.

  • Gross margin increased by approximately 145 basis points to 34.8% due primarily to improved merchandise margins from higher margin spinner sales and leveraging of store occupancy and distribution costs.

  • As a percentage of sales, SG&A for the second quarter of 2017 decreased approximately 70 basis points to 25.5% from 26.2% in the second quarter of 2016 as we leveraged expenses on the higher sales results.

  • Operating income increased 67.4% to $26.3 million or 9.3% of sales from $15.7 million or 7.1% of sales in the second quarter of 2016.

  • Our effective tax rate for the second quarter 2017 was 36.7% compared to 37.6% in the second quarter of 2016.

  • Our tax rate was favorably impacted by the new accounting standard related to stock-based compensation.

  • This change had less than $0.01 impact to EPS.

  • Net income increased 70.7% to $16.8 million or $0.30 per diluted share from $9.8 million or $0.18 per diluted share last year.

  • We ended the second quarter with $167.5 million in cash, cash equivalents and investments and no debt.

  • Inventory at the end of the second quarter was $184.5 million as compared to $154.8 million at the end of the second quarter of last year.

  • Average per store inventory at the end of the second quarter 2017 was flat compared to the end of the second quarter last year.

  • Before I turn to guidance, I would like to add to Joel's comments about Hurricane Harvey.

  • As the tragedy continues to unfold and the rescue efforts begin to turn to recovery, we have limited knowledge of the on-ground situation and have not yet been able to assess the full extent of damage to our impacted stores.

  • All of our 23 Houston metro stores were closed in order to keep our store associates safe.

  • As of today, 4 stores have reopened and we currently believe only a handful or less may have sustained major damage.

  • As you know, the situation is still very fluid.

  • If there is a need to provide an update due to a lingering impact, we will do so.

  • Now turning to guidance.

  • For the third quarter ending October 28, 2017, net sales are expected to be between $241 million to $246 million.

  • We plan to open approximately 35 new stores in Q3 this year as compared to 26 stores opened in the third quarter last year and are assuming a Q3 comp sales increase of 3% to 5% versus the negative 0.2% comp in Q3 2016.

  • Our Q3 comp guidance reflects the slowing spinner trend compared to the second quarter.

  • We expect modest operating margin improvement from leveraging of SG&A fixed expenses on the sales outlook for the third quarter.

  • Net income is expected to be in the range of $6.2 million to $7.4 million, an increase of 14% to 36% over Q3 2016, with diluted earnings per share for the third quarter of fiscal 2017 expected to be $0.11 to $0.13.

  • This guidance does not include any impact from the new stock-based compensation accounting standard.

  • We will report the impact, if any, with our actual quarterly results.

  • For the full year 2017, we are raising our guidance.

  • Sales are now expected to be in the range of $1,236,000,000 to $1,248,000,000, representing growth of 24% to 25% versus last year and a $6 million increase from our previous high-end guidance.

  • Comp guidance for the full year has increased from a 3% to 4% range to a range of 3.5% to 4.5%.

  • As a reminder, this 2017 fiscal year includes a 53rd week, which is expected to add approximately $15 million in sales and approximately $0.02 in EPS.

  • Full year comparable sales are based on a 52-week fiscal year.

  • We continue to expect to open approximately 100 stores in 2017 and end the year with a store count of 622, an increase of approximately 19% as compared to our 2016 ending store count of 522.

  • For the full year, we expect operating margins to increase modestly versus last year's operating margin of 11.4%.

  • We continue to expect a full year effective tax rate of approximately 37.5%.

  • Our net income outlook has increased and is now expected to be in the range of $90.3 million to $92.6 million or a growth of 26% to 29% versus 2016.

  • Diluted EPS is now expected to be in the range of $1.62 to $1.66 versus our prior guidance range of $1.59 to 1.64.

  • With respect to CapEx, we still plan to spend in total approximately $78 million in 2017, reflecting the opening of approximately 100 new stores with the remainder projected to be spent on our new home office, store relocations and remodels, distribution centers and corporate infrastructure.

  • For all other details related to our results and guidance, please refer to our earnings press release.

  • And with that, I would like to turn the call back over to Joel to provide some closing comments before we open it up for questions.

  • Joel?

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • Thanks, Ken.

  • We've had a terrific first half.

  • Both our first and second quarters delivered outperformance and strong top and bottom line results driven by increases in transactions, new customers and brand awareness as well as continued new store strength.

  • In closing, I want to thank the entire team at Five Below for working so hard to deliver these results, specifically our merchant teams continue to bring newness and amazing values across our 8 worlds and the marketing team engaged our customers and generated excitement.

  • Our home office support teams focused on creating efficiencies and making sure our stores and store teams had what they needed to be successful while our distribution centers ensured products our customer's desired were in our stores for them to find.

  • Lastly, but certainly not least, our energetic store operations teams delivered to our customers the one-of-a-kind in-store experience that is so very special and unique to Five Below.

  • Without each team member working together, we could not have delivered the results we are so proud to share with you today.

  • I just have to say, it truly is an amazing time to be part of the Five Below family.

  • And to that end, I also want to thank all of you on this call for your continued investment support of Five Below.

  • As you can easily tell, we are proud of our first half success and excited about the momentum heading into the second half of the year.

  • Five Below is a unique brand that is on a mission to help make life better for our customers so they can let go and have fun.

  • With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to the operator for questions.

  • Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) And our first question will come from Michael Lasser of UBS.

  • Michael Lasser - MD and Equity Research Analyst of Consumer Hardlines

  • Ken, you mentioned that the difference in your comp guidance from the second quarter to the third quarter really reflects the slowing spinner trend.

  • So should we take that to mean that spinners added about 500 basis points to your 2Q comp?

  • Kenneth R. Bull - CFO and Treasurer

  • Thanks for that question, Michael.

  • I think the -- what we mentioned about Q2 was really 2 things, right?

  • We've had a kind of broad-based performance in some of those departments.

  • We called out Tech and Room and Candy, and then those results were augmented with results from trends, including the spinners and slime and also smiley.

  • And then, as you kind of roll forward to Q3 and as we do with our guidance all the time, we kind of look at what we're coming off of.

  • We look forward in terms of anything that we need to consider and obviously take into consideration where we are today.

  • And we noted, obviously, that the spinner trend has slowed somewhat but still moving into the third quarter.

  • And we put all that information together, and that's how we came up with our 3% to 5% guidance for the Q3.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes, Michael.

  • I'd just add, I know everyone is trying to triangulate on quarters, but we've been a public company -- this will be our fifth year -- full year.

  • And I think when you look at it on an annual basis, historically, 4 out of the 5 years, including this year, if you look at our guidance midpoint range, we've been between 3% and 4%.

  • And I think on the years where there's been strong trends, it's been closer to the 4%, and obviously with this year's guidance of 3.5% to 4.5% and the influence of spinners, you can see we're trending closer to that high end of that 3% to 4% range.

  • The consistency of this brand, we still continue to think of it as a -- from a comp perspective in that 3% to 4% range.

  • And on a year when there's not a trend, it might be a little bit lower.

  • I think last year was a case of that.

  • But we remain committed to approximately 3% on the low end to high end 4%.

  • And I think it's -- continue to think of this brand from an annual basis.

  • And certainly when the trends come along, they'll influence a particular quarter and then that'll skew us to the higher end of that range, if that makes sense, Michael.

  • Michael Lasser - MD and Equity Research Analyst of Consumer Hardlines

  • It does make sense, Joel.

  • And you mentioned in your prepared remarks that these trends do help you introduce new customers to the brand.

  • So is there's some way that you can help us understand the magnitude of how many new customers you think were introduced to the brand from the spinners and slime?

  • Maybe you can quantify the number of new emails or new credit cards that have been introduced into the mix in maybe the last 3 or 6 months.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • We like all trends.

  • And I think what makes Five Below so unique with its 8 worlds is that we're able to take advantage of so many different trends.

  • I mean, even in the time since we've been public, it's been the rubber bands and Frozen and selfie sticks and adult coloring and certainly BeanBoozled and now spinners.

  • What all those have in common is that they're not in common.

  • And it's because of the 8 worlds that give Five Below the flexibility and the expectation of our customer that they can be assured that they'll find that trend in Five Below.

  • And every time we have one of those trends, they introduce some new set of customers to Five Below.

  • Frozen obviously skewed young girls.

  • Adult coloring was a wide range.

  • Spinners, boys, girls, grandparents, 3-year-olds.

  • It was a very wide range.

  • And so clearly, there was a lot of new customers.

  • We know through a lot of surveys we've seen that we've seen a significant amount of first-time customers in Five Below due to the spinner trend, and we think that'll have a nice halo impact on our business going forward.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our next question will come from John Heinbockel of Guggenheim Securities.

  • John Edward Heinbockel - Analyst

  • Joel, as we head toward holiday here, without giving too much away, what areas would you like to improve incrementally when you think about marketing and the expansion of your efforts, including the epic deals, merchandising and then also kind of store operations and throughput with George onboard, what would you say the 1 or 2 things you'd like to most improve incrementally from a year ago?

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Well, certainly, George has already had a very strong positive impact on the business as he's been onboard now for a few months, and we expect that to continue with the influence on the store piece of it.

  • I highlighted in my remarks how successful we were with the TV campaign in Q2.

  • Certainly, we'll take those learnings into Q4 with our TV campaign.

  • We've got the trailing positive impact of new customers that resulted from spinner.

  • And Michael and the merchant team, as I said in my prepared remarks, we've got some exciting new things to share with everybody in Q3 and Q4.

  • For -- obviously, for confidential reasons, I can't share with those are yet, but we've got a seasoned team.

  • All of our divisional merchandise managers are -- at least have a couple of years under their belt with us now and the team just continues to get better, stronger, more nimble.

  • And I think the spinners are just a great example.

  • When we sat on the results of the call from Q4 last year, we weren't even talking about spinners.

  • It was a trend that hadn't even emerged.

  • And in less than 90 days, we identified the trend, sourced it, got it on the shelves and even started to capture sales at the end of Q1 with obviously the peak in Q2.

  • So I think it's that nimbleness, John, that continues to get better, coupled with us just coming together as a team and being more seasoned working together.

  • John Edward Heinbockel - Analyst

  • And then I guess just a quick follow-up.

  • Epic deals, in it and of themselves, a small part of the holiday effort, right?

  • That's not something you need to improve much incrementally.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • No.

  • I think the bigger theme -- whether it's epic deals or something else -- the common theme that works for Five Below is wow and newness.

  • And certainly, I think spinners fell in both categories.

  • Wow, how'd they get that for $5?

  • And it certainly was new, new trend and we had it first.

  • So that's where we'll focus, John, is a lot more wow, a lot more newness, keep bringing that value to life, and let's not forget the in-store experience because that's what differentiates Five Below from others out there.

  • Operator

  • And we'll take our next question from Charles Grom of Gordon Haskett.

  • Charles P. Grom - MD and Senior Analyst, Retail

  • Could you guys speak to the opportunity on the remodel front, how the initial tests are doing so far and then when you think about 2018, the opportunity for a deeper rollout?

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Sure, Charles.

  • So we've remodeled 4 stores now.

  • They look identical to the new store format that all 100 new stores will get.

  • Honestly, it's still a little too early to speculate on '18.

  • Our plan right now, just like we did with new stores, is to continue to run it through the holidays and we are watching monthly what the impact is on sales, customer transactions, but I would tell you that our initial reads are very positive.

  • We like what we're seeing.

  • And I think the way I would contemplate '18 is that will be a transition year for us.

  • It will be the year we kind of perfect the remodel program and then we'd look for something more in '19 as a rollout phase.

  • Charles P. Grom - MD and Senior Analyst, Retail

  • Okay, great.

  • And just my follow-up for, Ken.

  • If my math is right, if you guys do a 4% comp in the third quarter, your guidance implies about 1.5% in the fourth quarter.

  • I guess, I'm curious if that was consistent with your original view that you laid out for us in March?

  • And I guess how are you thinking about trying to stand out in that November, December time frame?

  • Kenneth R. Bull - CFO and Treasurer

  • Yes, Chuck, I think you're -- sounds like you're a little light on the fourth quarter implied number for the year, but we haven't changed really what the underlying implied comp guidance for Q4 -- really going all the way back to the initial guidance that we provided earlier in the year.

  • Charles P. Grom - MD and Senior Analyst, Retail

  • Okay.

  • And just opportunity to stand out, what you guys -- how are you thinking about attacking that?

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • You're asking, what we see as an opportunity to stand out in the back half?

  • Charles P. Grom - MD and Senior Analyst, Retail

  • Exactly.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Well, I think it's a lot of what I was just alluding to with John.

  • The marketing program continues to get better.

  • The wow and newness with value in an in-store differentiated fun shopping experience is what's so unique and different about Five Below.

  • And we're going to continue to do more of the same.

  • We're really excited about the 3% to 5% in Q3 here.

  • It just shows you the continued strength of the core business.

  • The business was healthy in Q2, and it continues into Q3 here.

  • So we enter the back half, Charles, with momentum.

  • And I think all those things lead to a really strong point of differentiation.

  • Operator

  • And our next question will come from Kelly Halsor of Buckingham Research Group.

  • Kelly Lauren Halsor - Associate

  • So I'm just trying to understand kind of what's going on under the hood here kind of ex-fidget spinners.

  • I know it's a little bit difficult given there's probably some attachment rate with -- as it relates to the fidget spinner traffic.

  • But if you assume that, that trend kind of peaked and fell off quite rapidly as we've understood it, I mean, how do the core business -- did that start to reaccelerate?

  • Throughout the quarter, I think you were up against some easier comparisons.

  • And then as we look to the third quarter, how should we be thinking about that from a kind of a monthly cadence?

  • I believe that October last year was kind of an anomaly with weakness around the election.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • The election weakness was more of a fourth quarter, it was some in October.

  • But I think, Kelly, I'd probably reiterate some of the stuff I was sharing with Michael Lasser in that we really look at this business on an annual basis.

  • And that consistency of 4 out of the last 5 years and a very narrow band of 3% to 4% comp.

  • And then what you see as the spikes when you look at the quarterly cadence within those years that were largely driven by trends.

  • This trend of spinners is no different than many other trends we've seen.

  • They last a quarter or 2. And let's not forget, there's also the smiley trend, there's the slime trend.

  • And the smiley trend is the one that's kind of coming up here on about a year now and it's really had legs.

  • Every trend is a little bit different, and we continue to buy with discipline into those trends and we exit with analytics.

  • And by analytics, I mean we watch the weekly trends.

  • We understand looking at past history what makes them successful, when they're going to fall off.

  • And so I think overall, we love those trends.

  • Spinners was great.

  • As I was alluding to earlier, it brought in a lot of new customers to Five Below.

  • And we believe those will have a great halo impact on our core business, both in Q3 here and then certainly into the holiday period.

  • Kelly Lauren Halsor - Associate

  • Okay.

  • So it's fair to assume, though, that while spinners is slowing, it's still additive to the comp as well as slime and smiley here in the third quarter, at least what's embedded in your guidance?

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes, that's all embedded in the guidance.

  • And certainly, the peaks are done, but it's a great new item.

  • And now it's probably more a substitution item than additive to the comp, but we continue to see sales daily and weekly in spinners and it has the possibility to be an evergreen it.

  • No difference than Frozen turned out to be in 2014.

  • Operator

  • Our next question will come from Jeremy Hamblin of Dougherty and Company.

  • Jeremy Scott Hamblin - VP and Senior Research Analyst of Consumer & Retail

  • It sounds like it was fairly broad-based in addition to the fad items.

  • I wanted to ask a little bit about back half margins, and in particular, maybe looking a little bit on the SG&A side.

  • With the company coming in so far ahead of initial guidance and plan, I would imagine your incentive compensation may be kicking up a little bit.

  • I think as I look at Q3 guidance and what's implied for Q4, I think the implied guide for Q4 suggests operating margin down just a touch year-over-year.

  • Could I -- could you give me a sense of what kind of impact coming in so far ahead of your plan has maybe on overall SG&A for the year?

  • Kenneth R. Bull - CFO and Treasurer

  • Yes.

  • Thanks, Jeremy.

  • And you described that pretty accurately because that's really what's been implied for us.

  • We obviously gave guidance for Q3 where I mentioned that operating margins would be up modestly and then also for the full year, saying modest increase in operating margins, which does imply a little bit of a delever there in Q4, and it is being driven by -- primarily by some of incentive-based compensation that gets recorded in Q4.

  • From a full year basis, when you talk about SG&A, again, a modest increase in overall operating margin and it's probably a little bit in both, a little bit in SG&A and possibly a little bit in gross margin when we look at the full year.

  • Jeremy Scott Hamblin - VP and Senior Research Analyst of Consumer & Retail

  • So maybe just to pinpoint Q4 implications or maybe it's Q3 and Q4 from an SG&A standpoint, could you give me a sense of the potential drag we're talking about maybe 20 basis points or 10 to 30, seems like that's a potential range that you're looking at.

  • Kenneth R. Bull - CFO and Treasurer

  • Yes.

  • I think the way you would look at it in Q4 if you're modeling out a delevered operating margin, probably the majority of that will be coming from SG&A, again driven by the increased incentive-based compensation.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • (inaudible) range.

  • Operator

  • And Sean Kras of Barclays has our next question.

  • Sean Stephen Kras - Research Analyst

  • I believe there was an upgrade to your labor scheduling system that I think will be in place by the fourth quarter.

  • I'm just wondering, I guess, how this should impact the SG&A leverage point, maybe some in the fourth quarter and then thinking forward into next year.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • I think the bigger impact you'll feel on that is more into next year.

  • Any time you put a new system in place, it takes a little bit of time to dial it in and get all the stores up on it, but we expect to have it certainly fully implemented by the time we get into the fourth quarter.

  • But I think any benefits we see from it would be financial benefits would be seen next year.

  • But let's not forget, there aren't only financial benefits, there are customer benefits and those we'll start to feel in the fourth quarter, having our labor scheduled at the right time, more closely tied to when the customer is in the store.

  • So we should feel that impact this year.

  • Kenneth R. Bull - CFO and Treasurer

  • Yes, help improve our service levels, right.

  • Sean Stephen Kras - Research Analyst

  • And just as a follow-up, can you talk a little bit more about the TV test in the quarter?

  • It seems like now this is going to remain part of the media mix, but do you think you can expand it to a greater percentage of the stores next year?

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • So we were in about 25% of stores this year, relatively flat to last year.

  • I think if you recall when we came out of last year, we wanted another year of testing it, changed up some things this year, went back in the store, broadened up the assortment we showed and we were really pleased with the results.

  • So I think I mentioned in my prepared remarks we now have moved -- we saw enough positive good news out of it that we expect to move that now out of kind of the test phase and more into the possible rollouts.

  • Too early to say what the percentage would be a year from now, but it'll certainly be higher than 25%.

  • It ties in perfectly with our real estate strategy where we're densifying in markets so that it makes economic sense to turn on TV market by market.

  • But TV will be part of our go-forward strategy like Q4 TV already is today.

  • Operator

  • And you will hear next from Alan Rifkin of BTIG.

  • Alan Michael Rifkin - MD and Retail Hardlines and Broadlines Research Analyst

  • Joel, with transactions and partly due to new customers driving your best comp in 5 years, I know it's only one quarter or a couple of quarters or so.

  • Do you have any color as to the stickiness of these new customers who first came in to purchase the spinners, whether they are patronizing your store on future occasions?

  • And then I have a follow-up.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • Not only was it a part of our comp, I mean, it was largely the majority of it.

  • I mean, we -- we're up, Ken, right, 9.1% transactions on 9.3% comp.

  • So almost all of the sales increase was traffic-driven with transactions being a proxy for that.

  • And as far as the second part of your question there, Alan, it really is too early to understand the total stickiness certainly by our guide here of 3% to 5%, we certainly believe there's a halo effect of it.

  • And I think as we get into Q4, we'll certainly know more, but we'll be out in the marketplace here leading into the holiday to do another awareness study.

  • Awareness has been up.

  • And I think when we complete that awareness study, that'll give us a better sense of the stickiness to it.

  • But a little too early to kind of certainly quantify what the impact's been.

  • Alan Michael Rifkin - MD and Retail Hardlines and Broadlines Research Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And just a follow-up if I may.

  • With your best comp in 5 years, which obviously was well above your original expectations and as we're heading into the critical time of the year, can you maybe talk to your vendors' ability to meet incremental demand should it arise, if your purchase orders have to be increased?

  • What's the average lead time in terms of getting some product?

  • And what's your feel for their ability to increase production on-the-fly to meet your greater need, if need be?

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • I guess I'll look backwards in the rearview mirror to answer that question, Alan.

  • And I'll use the example of spinners.

  • I think they're a great example of how strong our supply chain is and our vendor community and the ability to source it, be nimble, get it across the water and into our stores.

  • That was an item we haven't even identified at the beginning of the year.

  • It obviously showed an incredible amount of demand, and we were there to meet that demand.

  • And that applies -- I use that example as we go into the fourth quarter and we start to see items take off, we use that same sort of methodology to chase product that we need to, to have a great fourth quarter.

  • But as we continue to scale, our ability to do that gets only stronger.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our next question will come from Paul Trussell of Deutsche Bank.

  • Paul Elliott Trussell - Research Analyst

  • I just wanted to circle back to the conversation on margins and if you could maybe just discuss some of the puts and takes on the gross margin side in terms of your third quarter and fourth quarter guidance.

  • And just kind of broadly speaking, as we think about the business going forward, should we -- is the outlook for merchandise margins still in the flattish range as you kind of reinvest for better product?

  • And then as a follow-up, just any additional learnings, another quarter in on the California store openings.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • Ken, you want to take the margin and I'll talk about California?

  • Kenneth R. Bull - CFO and Treasurer

  • Yes.

  • So Paul, on the gross margins, you probably heard me mention on the call, for Q3, we expect modest leverage on an operating margin perspective, really, that's going to be driven by leverage in SG&A.

  • So don't see, at least at this stage, any meaningful leverage coming out of gross margins.

  • I think we're actually up against some pretty meaningful freight benefits from the prior year, but that's kind of how we see Q3.

  • Didn't really provide Q4 guidance, right?

  • We go one quarter out and then provide the full year.

  • But as I had stated before, the implied guidance or the implied margin was probably going to be down a little bit, primarily because of some additional incentive-based compensation based on the additional sales and profitability that we've guided to.

  • And as we kind of fast-forward to the full year, we would expect to see operating -- modest operating margin leverage, and that really coming out maybe a little bit in SG&A and a little bit in gross margin.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • As far as California goes, we opened 3 more stores in the quarter.

  • We've since opened 2 more here in the third quarter, for a total of 14 now.

  • And we have one more planned in the balance of the year.

  • Really, no change from my initial thoughts at the first quarter call.

  • California is doing great for us.

  • We're excited about our initial openings.

  • Our strategy is to stay concentrated in Southern California for the foreseeable future.

  • And we believe California is going to be a great market for us, it will become our largest state and we're going to push ahead as originally planned.

  • And you can expect us to open a lot more stores in California in the coming years.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) We'll take our next one from Stephen Tanal of Goldman Sachs.

  • Stephen Vartan Tanal - Equity Analyst

  • It's a lot of good color already, but I guess the one thing we didn't really touch on that we talked a bit last quarter was sort of the movie season, and it seems like one where there's a few hits that could have been helpful to the business.

  • I think there were Guardians of the Galaxy, Despicable Me, emojis, Spiderman, talked about all those.

  • If you can kind of give some color around how those are doing and what your expectations are going into the back half that would be helpful.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • I would say of all the ones you listed, Despicable Me was the strongest.

  • But honestly, it's a relatively soft license year as we look at it compared to the prior year.

  • And it's what's really been stronger has been the trends, as I talked about, spinners, smiley and slime.

  • And then, of course, I think we -- you might've saw, we did an exclusive heli ball with Guardians and Spiderman.

  • And -- but other than that, nothing overwhelmingly strong or weak that I can add any color to.

  • It's just kind of a muted year a little bit, but much stronger in those other 3 categories I talked about.

  • Stephen Vartan Tanal - Equity Analyst

  • Got it.

  • [First of all], that's helpful.

  • One last thought for me.

  • The higher margin in the spinners, could you give us some color around that?

  • Because I think similar to Paul, we've been thinking about merch margins being somewhat flattish and I guess on the occupancy side, you got good leverage this quarter, but any context you could put around that would be really helpful as well, and then, I'll yield.

  • Kenneth R. Bull - CFO and Treasurer

  • Yes.

  • We -- Steve, we normally don't provide any kind of detailed margin results around items.

  • But I can tell you of the 145 basis points of expansion in gross margin that we saw in Q2, about half of that was related to merchandise margin and then the other half was in occupancy and DC leverage.

  • Operator

  • And we will take our next question from Alvin Concepcion of Citi.

  • Alvin C Concepcion - VP and Senior Analyst

  • I'll keep it to one question.

  • I was curious about some things you'd been seeing from your own surveys.

  • Are you becoming more of a stand-alone destination because you've been bucking the trend your retail anchors have been showing.

  • So if there's continued weakness at your anchors into the holiday, what gives you confidence that you could continue to buck that trend and become more of a stand-alone destination?

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • Thanks, Alvin, for the one question there.

  • We've done a lot of studies on that.

  • We still believe location matters.

  • What our surveys have told us is that about 50% of our transactions are self-induced and about 50% of our transactions are living off the surrounding traffic in a center.

  • And as we continue to grow, become a national player, the desirability of having Five Below in an A center continues to grow, and our strategy isn't differentiating from that.

  • We're not mall-based where a large percentage of the decline has happened, and we are really concentrating on those A and B power strip centers.

  • And as we continue to stay in vibrant centers, I think that coupled with the half of our business that we drive really will continue to make us strong.

  • And I would highlight, though, let's not forget what's winning in retail today is retailers that have value and in-store experience.

  • And I believe we have both.

  • And I think that, coupled with being in vibrant centers, is really continuing to allow us to buck the trend, so to speak.

  • Thanks, Alvin.

  • Operator

  • And we'll take our next question from Patrick McKeever of MKM Partners.

  • Patrick Gerard McKeever - MD, Sector Head, & Senior Analyst

  • Ken, you mentioned the -- I think you said 24 stores in Houston and only 4 have reopened.

  • And so my question is -- and then you said something about if necessary, you would provide an update, I guess, on that market.

  • But is there an impact from Houston embedded in the 3% to 5% comp guidance or EPS guidance for the third quarter?

  • I mean, it's a pretty -- it's 4% or so of the chain, so it's a pretty decent number of stores that are being impacted.

  • Kenneth R. Bull - CFO and Treasurer

  • Sure, Patrick.

  • We -- as we said before, we've got 23 stores in that Houston metro area.

  • And as we noted, the events are still very fluid, right?

  • They're ongoing as we speak.

  • So we really don't have the full extent of what the impact is or will be until we get a chance to really look at all the various locations.

  • But we did mention that we had 4 of those stores that have already opened up.

  • So as we do with guidance all the time, we take the information we know at the time and we provide that, right?

  • We look back on where we've come from, where we are today and then maybe some anniversary of results going forward.

  • But if things would change to the extent that we would have to revise our guidance in any way, we obviously put that out and update everyone on it.

  • But at this stage of the game, we feel comfortable with the guidance that we provided.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • And I'll just add, not only do we feel comfortable, Patrick, we really believe there's only going to be a handful or less stores that are going to sustain major damage.

  • So the number is going to come down quite quickly.

  • Four we opened today.

  • We think several more are going to reopen tomorrow.

  • And our thoughts and prayers are certainly down there with the people, and that's the first priority of helping our store teams and communities put their lives back together.

  • But when it's all done and said, we think there's only going to be a handful of stores that are going to sustain major damage.

  • And all that's kind of embedded in our guidance.

  • And as Ken said, if it worsens, we'd certainly let you all know, but we think we've appropriately covered it.

  • Operator

  • And we'll take our next question from Dan Binder of Jefferies.

  • Daniel Thomas Binder - MD and Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • I was wondering if you can just talk about 2 things.

  • One is product trend related to what appears to be an emerging trend in squishy toys and if that is something you think could turn into a major trend based on what you're seeing today?

  • And then secondly, just from a cash flow perspective, you should generate pretty good free cash this year, your cash balances are rising, your debt is 0. So curious what your considerations are for that cash going forward.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • On the product side, we're certainly aware of that trend.

  • But right now, we've been really more focused on slime, smiley, spinners and haven't seen any signs that, that trend would eclipse those.

  • But as far as cash flow, Ken, you want to comment on that?

  • Kenneth R. Bull - CFO and Treasurer

  • Yes.

  • Dan, from a capital allocation standpoint, you're right, we continue to throw off free cash flow and obviously with the paybacks we're getting from our new stores.

  • So we're aware of the options.

  • We've discussed that internally -- not in a position yet to be able to talk about that externally, but we're going to be looking at that shortly.

  • And obviously, if anything comes up along those lines, we'll make sure to let everybody know.

  • Operator

  • And we'll take our next question from Vincent Sinisi of Morgan Stanley.

  • Andrew R. Ruben - Research Associate

  • This is Andrew Ruben for Vinnie.

  • You talked about some mobile tests as part of your digital strategy, can you talk a little bit more about what you're doing there and maybe how mobile and e-commerce are starting to meet?

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • Those tests largely in the mobile/social arena are allowing us to get into markets where it doesn't make sense to do TV.

  • It's much more economical.

  • You can really be targeted and approach it on a store by store basis, so that's really been the focus to get it to a more targeted basis from it.

  • And that's really where the focus has been with the mobile/social.

  • Operator

  • And we'll take our next question from Brad Thomas of KeyBanc Capital Markets.

  • Bradley Bingham Thomas - Director and Equity Research Analyst

  • I'll squeeze one in on e-commerce.

  • Maybe could you give us an update on how big that business is getting and how you're feeling about its outlook from a profitability standpoint longer term.

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • Yes, I was commenting on mobile/social there, I forgot there was a second question on e-commerce.

  • E-commerce is still an important part of our overall marketing strategy and -- but I would remind everybody, our core focus remains on the in-store experience and growing our store count.

  • We continue to see e-commerce as the icing on the cake.

  • It's a convenience play.

  • It's a great way for customers to have access to Five Below that aren't near a Five Below, but it's still remains a very small piece of our business.

  • We're fortunate enough, Brad, that we can approach this offensively and not defensively, which means we can grow it with pace and diligence.

  • You will continue to not see us do big -- large amounts of free shipping as an example.

  • And we are, though, adding more product and really pleased with the initial start, but it remains a very small piece of our business from this perspective.

  • Operator

  • And we'll take our final question today from Anthony Chukumba of Loop Capital Markets.

  • Anthony Chinonye Chukumba - Analyst

  • I just had a question, you mentioned licensed merchandise sales, how the movies have been (inaudible) you thought.

  • Are you expecting any sequential improvement with the Star Wars movie coming out later this year?

  • Joel D. Anderson - CEO, President and Director

  • Yes.

  • Clearly, I mean, we liked what we saw in Star Wars a couple of years ago and we will carry Star Wars merchandise in the fourth quarter.

  • And I think my comments were more just about comparing it to prior year impact on license, and the customers change.

  • Sometimes, licenses are really hot and sometimes they're not.

  • And the focus this year seems to be on trends like smiley and slime and spinners and less on the traditional licensed properties.

  • But as far as Star Wars, yes, we'll be carrying Star Wars product this fall, and I don't see it being a major piece of our business for the fall.

  • Thank you very much.

  • Appreciate it.

  • I think that's it for us.

  • And I really appreciate and thank everyone for joining us today.

  • It's been a great quarter.

  • We're excited about the momentum going into the back half of the year, and we look forward to seeing you all in the stores.

  • Have a great evening, everyone.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference.

  • We thank you for your participation.

  • You may now disconnect.