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  • Operator

  • At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the Enterprise Products Partners fourth-quarter 2011 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Thank you.

  • I will now turn the conference over to Randy Burkhalter, Vice President of Investor Relations.

  • Randy Burkhalter - VP of IR

  • Thank you, Christie, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Enterprise Products Partner conference call to discuss fourth-quarter results. Our speakers today will be Mike Creel, President and CEO of Enterprise General Partner. Mike will be followed by Jim Teague, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. And then Randy Fowler, Executive Vice President and CFO of the General Partner, will speak last. Other members of our senior management team are also in attendance.

  • During this call we will make forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21e of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934, based on the beliefs of the Company, as well as assumptions made by and information currently available to Enterprise's management team. Although management believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will be prove to be correct.

  • Please refer to our latest filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a list of factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements made in this call.

  • And with that, I will turn the call over to Mike.

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • Thanks, Randy. Enterprise had another successful quarter to end 2011, setting financial and operating records with our integrated system of assets and all-time high natural gas volumes, NGL fractionation volumes, and fee-based natural gas processing volumes, as well as near-record liquid volumes. This led to new records for net income, adjusted EBITDA, gross operating margin and distributable cash flow.

  • In 2011, we invested $3.6 billion of growth capital to develop midstream infrastructure, primarily related to the Haynesville and Eagle Ford Shale plays to serve our producing customers and to accommodate our petrochemical customers in meeting their increasing demand for NGLs as feedstocks. We completed two large projects in the fourth quarter of 2011, the Haynesville extension of our Acadian natural gas pipeline system and our fifth NGL fractionator at Mont Belvieu.

  • The Haynesville extension provides producers access to 12 interstate pipelines that serve markets in the Midwest, Northeast and Florida, as well as our legacy Acadian system. And the fifth fractionator at Mont Belvieu increases our nameplate fractionation capacities at 380,000 barrels a day at that location. These projects which total approximately $1.7 billion of capital investment were completed 5% under budget and began generating new sources of gross operating margin and distributable cash flow in the fourth quarter.

  • Our commercial, engineering, and operations teams continued to develop new projects, capitalizing on growth opportunities provided by our diverse system of assets. We currently expect to spend approximately $3.5 billion on organic growth projects in 2012.

  • In total, we have about $6.5 billion of projects under construction that are scheduled to begin operations in 2012 through 2014. We expect these new primarily fee-based assets will generate additional distributable cash flow through 2015, giving as clear visibility to near-term growth.

  • Turning to our financial and operating performance, we reported record results again this quarter supported by growth in natural gas, NGL and crude oil production in the Shale regions, as well as strong NGL sales margins. Our integrated system continues to operate at record or near-record volumes.

  • Enterprise reported gross operating margin of $1.1 billion for the quarter, a 33% increase over the fourth quarter of 2010. This led to record adjusted EBITDA of $1.2 billion and record net income of $726 million for the quarter.

  • Net income attributable to partners for the fourth quarter of 2011 was $0.82 per unit on a fully diluted basis compared to $0.33 per unit on the same basis for the fourth quarter of 2010. I will point out that net income for the fourth quarter of 2011 included $130 million or $0.15 per unit of gains from sales of assets.

  • Our partnership generated record distributable cash flow of $1.4 billion this quarter, which provided 2.7 times coverage of the cash distribution declared with respect to the quarter. Included in distributable cash flow this quarter was $593 million of net proceeds from assets from the sale of our natural gas storage assets in Mississippi, and 1.1 million common units of energy transfer equity LP units.

  • Excluding these proceeds, our distribution coverage was still 1.5 times, allowing us to retain some of our cash flow to help fund our growth capital projects and reduce our dependence on capital markets.

  • In 2011, we invested approximately $3.6 billion in growth capital and improved our credit metrics, while only issuing $543 million of Enterprise common units. We have the flexibility to create additional value for our partners, due to the way we manage our cash distribution coverage and the fact that our general partner no longer has any intent to distribution rights. This disciplined approach to cash management results in a lower cost of equity capital, reduces equity dilution, and supports long-term distribution growth.

  • Turning to segment results, our NGL Pipelines & Services segment reported record gross operating margin of $635 million for the quarter, a 39% increase over the $457 million reported for the fourth quarter of 2010. Our natural gas processing and related NGL marketing business benefited from strong demand for NGLs, as higher NGL sales margins and higher natural gas processing margins led to a $157 million increase in gross operating margin.

  • Our NGL marketing business continues to have higher NGL sales margins, driven by strong industry fundamentals such as increased petrochemical demand for light-end feedstocks, regional basis differentials, and a strong butane isomerization market. Our Rocky Mountain processing plants also contributed to the increase in gross operating margins due to strong processing margins, higher equity NGL production and increased fee-based processing volumes.

  • The Meeker Gas Plant operated near full capacity this quarter, processing approximately 1.5 billion cubic feet a day of natural gas. We also completed an expansion of our Piceance Gathering System, which supplies our Meeker Gas Plant, resulting in lower pipeline pressures and higher gathering volumes from some of the more NGL-rich gas-producing areas.

  • Fee-based natural gas processing volumes increased 22% to a record 4.1 billion cubic feet a day for the quarter compared to 3.3 billion cubic feet a day for the fourth quarter of 2010.

  • Gross operating margin for our NGL Pipelines & Storage business decreased $10 million to $170 million this quarter, primarily from lower NGL volumes transported to fractionators in Louisiana due to the startup of our fifth NGL fractionator at Mont Belvieu, decreased NGL volumes on our Tri-States pipeline from unscheduled maintenance on a third party's offshore platforms in the Gulf of Mexico, lower propane deliveries on our Dixie pipeline due to warmer weather, and higher pipeline integrity expenses on certain pipelines.

  • The Mid-America and Seminole pipelines reported a $16 million rise in gross operating margin, largely due to an increase in system-wide tariffs that became effective in July of 2011.

  • Total NGL pipeline volumes were 2.3 million barrels per day this quarter versus 2.5 million barrels per day for the fourth quarter of 2010.

  • A few weeks ago, we announced that shippers exercised options to increase their capacity commitments on the Rocky Mountain expansion of our Mid-America pipeline to 82,500 barrels a day from an initial 38,500 barrels a day. That is a 114% increase. We executed firm 10-year ship-or-pay transportation agreements with shippers to support this expansion, which will enable them to maximize the value of their Rocky Mountain NGL production by providing access to the largest NGL market in the US. The expansion will also complement our Texas Express pipeline joint venture, which will provide shippers access to Mont Belvieu for their mixed natural gas liquids.

  • We also announced our plans to move forward with the construction of the Appalachian to Texas ethane express pipeline, or the ATEX express pipeline, to provide shippers an attractive option to move ethane from the Marcellus and Utica basins to Mont Belvieu, where they will have access to every ethylene plant in the United States.

  • Shippers have executed 15-year take-or-pay precedent agreements to move ethane volumes, ramping up to 120,000 barrels per day over a five-year period beginning in early 2014. And Jim will go into more detail about these projects in a few minutes.

  • Our NGL fractionation business reported gross operating margin of $69 million for the quarter. That is an 80% increase over the $38 million reported in the fourth quarter of 2010. Gross operating margin from our Mont Belvieu fractionators increased $23 million, primarily because of the addition of two new fractionation units. Frac 4 began commercial operations in the fourth quarter of 2010, while Frac 5 began operations in the fourth quarter of 2011, and both have been running at full rates.

  • Gross operating margins were also up at our Norco, Hobbs and South Texas fractionators.

  • Our Onshore Natural Gas Pipelines & Services segment reported gross operating margin of $199 million for the quarter, a 46% increase over the $136 million reported for the fourth quarter of 2010. Our Acadian Gas system reported a $30 million increase in gross operating margin for the quarter, largely due to its Haynesville extension pipeline that began service on November 1, 2011.

  • Gross operating margin from the Texas intrastate system increased $24 million, primarily because of growing production from the Eagle Ford Shale.

  • Total onshore natural gas pipeline volumes increased 14% to a record 13.2 trillion BTUs per day for the quarter. Producer development of the Eagle Ford Shale continues to be strong, as the rig count increased 88% to 210 active rigs at the end of 2011 compared with 112 rigs operating at the end of 2010. We are currently receiving approximately 900 million cubic feet a day of natural gas from the Eagle Ford compared with 440 million cubic feet a day at the end of 2010.

  • The vast majority of our Texas gathering and processing systems are currently operating at maximum capacity. In the fourth quarter of 2011, we commissioned the expansion of our 30- and 36-inch Eagle Ford wet gas pipelines, allowing us to increase capacity and lower operating pressures. We expect to see a steady increase in Eagle Ford volumes throughout the first half of this year, with a significant increase in mid-2012 after we complete the first two 300 million cubic foot a day trains at our Yoakam gas processing plant and the commissioning of our Eagle Ford mainline expansion.

  • Gross operating margin for the Onshore Crude Oil Pipelines & Services segment increased 157% to $67 million compared to $26 million in the fourth quarter of 2010. All of Enterprise's major onshore crude oil pipelines, storage assets and marketing activities reported increases in gross operating margins for the fourth quarter of 2011 on higher volumes and sales margins, with the exception of Seaway pipeline, which was essentially the same as the fourth quarter of 2010. Seaway obviously continues to be impacted by the lack of demand for North-bound transportation to the oversupplied Cushing Hub, but increased drilling activity in the Eagle Ford Shale led to higher volumes on our South Texas system.

  • In November of 2011, Enterprise and Enbridge jointly announced plans to reverse the Seaway crude oil pipeline that extends from Cushing, Oklahoma to Freeport, Texas. On January 4, we began open seasons for increased commitments from shippers to support an expansion of Seaway and an extension of the pipeline into the Port Arthur/Beaumont refining markets. The initial 150,000 barrels a day of capacity on the reverse system should be available during the second quarter of this year. And after pump station additions and modifications, we expect to be able to flow up to 400,000 barrels a day by the first quarter of 2013.

  • The open season is to solicit interest for capacity over and above that 400,000 barrels a day. And again, Jim will talk about this in more detail following my remarks.

  • Offshore Pipelines & Services segment reported gross operating margin of $60 million for the quarter compared to $66 million for the same quarter of 2010. The Independence Hub Platform and Trail Pipeline had a $2 million decrease in gross operating margin on 8% lower volumes. Overall, our offshore natural gas pipeline volumes were 1.1 trillion BTUs per day for both quarters in 2010 and 2011.

  • Gross operating margin from our offshore crude oil pipelines decreased $5 million to $20 million this quarter, primarily due to maintenance by certain producers on their upstream platforms and wells that impacted volumes. Total offshore crude oil volumes were 282,000 barrels per day versus 304,000 barrels per day in the fourth quarter of 2010.

  • In January, Enterprise and Genesis Energy announced transportation agreements with six Gulf of Mexico producers that support the construction of a new crude oil pipeline serving the Lucius development area in the Southern Keathley Canyon. This 149-mile 18-inch pipeline will have the capacity to transport 115,000 barrels per day of crude oil and will connect a Lucius production platform to an existing platform at South Marsh Island 205 that is part of the Enterprise-operated Poseidon pipeline system. We expect this pipeline to begin service by mid-2014.

  • Crude oil from Lucius will be delivered into the Poseidon pipeline, providing yet another source of incremental cash flows from this project.

  • Gross operating margin from the Petrochemical & Refined Products & Services segment was $137 million this quarter compared to $140 million for the very strong fourth quarter of 2010. The propylene fractionation business had a $5 million decrease in gross operating margin due to lower sales margins and pipeline volumes.

  • Propylene fractionation volumes were 75,000 barrels a day for the fourth quarter of 2011, up slightly from the 74,000 barrels a day in the fourth quarter of 2010.

  • Enterprise's butane isomerization business reported a 52% increase in gross operating margin to $32 million this quarter due to increased isomerization volumes and revenues from the sales of byproducts. Butane isomerization volumes were a record 106,000 barrels a day for the fourth quarter of 2011, 22% higher than the fourth quarter of 2010.

  • The Refined Products Pipelines & Services business had a $23 million decrease in gross operating margin, largely due to higher operating expenses and a 125,000 barrel a day decrease in Refined Products volumes being transported from the Gulf Coast to the Midwest.

  • Our Octane Enhancement and High-Purity isobutylene business reported a 139% increase in gross operating margin to $27 million for the quarter, largely due to higher margins from octane additive sales as well as a full quarter of earnings from our high-purity isobutylene plant that we acquired out of bankruptcy in late 2010.

  • We recently announced an increase in our quarterly distribution to $0.62 per unit, or $2.48 on an annualized basis. This is a 5.1% increase over the distribution declared with respect to the fourth quarter of 2010. We've now increased our cash distribution for 30 consecutive quarters, the longest period for any of the large-cap, publicly-traded partnerships, and this is our 39th increase since our IPO in 1998.

  • In terms of consistent distribution growth, we increased cash distributions in excess of 5% for each of the last seven years, including during the financial crisis in 2008 and 2009. After our major capital projects are completed in the second half of this year, including those in the Eagle Ford Shale, we plan to do our annual assessment and evaluate the potential for an increase to our distribution growth rate in light of our expected distribution coverage and our growth plans for 2013.

  • We are very pleased with the record results reported again this quarter and for the full year. This success would not have been possible without the hard work and dedication of our employees and the support of our investors and commercial partners. Our employees across every part of our organization have worked together to make Enterprise the partnership it is today, and I hope they are as proud of their accomplishments as we are of them.

  • We have eight locations that have gone more than 20 years without a lost-time accident, and three of those have gone more than 30 years, and we want to thank all of our employees for embracing safety as a core value. Of course, we have many other facilities with excellent safety records, but a lot of those have not been around for five years, much less 20 or 30.

  • I'd also like to congratulate the whole Enterprise organization for their hard work that led to the recent upgrades of our credit ratings by Standard & Poor's and Moody's. Both rating agencies maintain their positive outlook on Enterprise's senior unsecured debt securities, and cited factors that contributed to an improved credit profile for Enterprise, including an increasing proportion of fee-based income, progress in simplifying our legal entity structure, and a lower cost of capital, primarily due to the elimination of the general partner incentive distribution rights. We remain excited about the opportunities available to the partnership and we look forward to another successful year in 2012.

  • And with that, I will turn the call over to Jim.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Thank you, Mike. Today, I would like to provide you with some insight into a few of the major projects we have under way, and provide you with some of Enterprise's observations on NGL supply demand, now that an ethane solution has been defined out of the Marcellus.

  • And I will add, it seems like every six months, someone starts shouting that the sky is falling where NGL supplies are concerned, and we will address that.

  • As Mike has already discussed, we had a pretty good fourth quarter and an impressive 2011. While the income results are impressive, we also had a great year in continuing to implement our major projects and also in identifying new strategic opportunities for Enterprise.

  • I am going to echo what Mike said, that results like this come from a number of factors. One being well-positioned to capture market opportunities; good investment decisions; a highly-integrated business model; but I think maybe most important, the dedication of Enterprise employees. Our folks are driven, they are creative and they deliver results. In short, they make things happen.

  • As Mike said, we are quite proud of them. And I know that a lot of them dial into this call, and I think it's important that they know their efforts are appreciated. In fact, we think they are our strongest asset.

  • In regards to key projects, needless to say, we have had some very strategic developments over the last couple of months. First, the Eagle Ford continues to beat everyone's expectations, and frankly, our asset can't get up and running soon enough. Our pipes, our plants and our fractionators in the Eagle Ford are chock-a-block full. Our Texas commercial operations and marketing groups are going above and beyond to make sure that our producers' gas is flowing. They come in early and they stay late to make sure that our performance meets our customers' expectations.

  • Our Yoakam processing plant and related NGL natural gas facilities will begin coming online with the first train at Yoakam in early May, the second train, Tom, in June --

  • Tom Zulim - SVP, Unregulated NGL Business

  • Yes.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • -- and the last train in the first quarter of 2013. Mike stated this, but it's worth repeating. With over 4300 drilling permits issued, 3100 wells already drilled, 210 rigs running and approximately 1000 wells waiting on completion or infrastructure, our first train will be full from day one. I didn't frankly believe that until the guy sat me down and went through the numbers. It's hard not to be excited about the need for even more rich-gas infrastructure.

  • What we've already done in Eagle Ford is overwhelmingly successful, whether we lay another inch of pipe or not. However, I don't think we are through.

  • We also continue on schedule for an Eagle Ford crude oil system, which includes two phases of crude oil pipeline running 215 miles through the heart of the Eagle Ford crude window, with an initial capacity of 350,000 barrels a day, and our network of new terminal storage along the pipe, connecting to our new ECHO terminal near Houston, which combined will have a storage capacity of approximately 5 million barrels. Again, whether we add another contract, we already have a very successful project. Mark Hurley tells me we are not through.

  • Moving next to Seaway, we are quite pleased with Enbridge's purchase of Seaway and our joint project to reverse and expand it, including building that other 85-mile extension from our ECHO terminal to Port Arthur, which will give our shippers access to the largest refining complex in the world. We expect to get the pipeline into Southbound service in the second quarter and have the project fully completed by late this year. As is the case with most of our systems, we expect significant integration between the Eagle Ford crude oil projects and the reversed and expanded Seaway pipeline that is going to yield even more benefits for years to come.

  • We believe that Seaway's capacity will be fully contracted. We are in the midst, as Mike mentioned, of an open season, and frankly, if we have the shipper interest, we will loop Seaway. One of the things that differentiates Seaway is in combination with our partner Enbridge, we can access supplies from Alberta, the Baaken and Cushing, and then deliver those pipe to every refinery in Houston, Beaumont and Port Arthur. Through an upgraded barge dock, we can access the entire Gulf Coast. That supply and market position is anchored by 21 million barrels of storage that, between us, Enterprise and Enbridge owns in Cushing, almost 7 million barrels that Seaway owns, and when fully developed, an ultimate 5 million barrels of storage at ECHO, all tied to every refinery on the Gulf Coast.

  • We will have the ability to deliver it to the refinery, not tell the refinery to come and get it. This project is consistent with all our projects. We are offering the producer flow assurance, ratability and market choices, and the consumer reliability and flexibility.

  • Now about some of our major NGL pipeline expansions, which we have four under way. We have our Eagle Ford NGL pipeline, a Mid-America Rocky Mountain expansion, our Texas Express, and our Marcellus ethane pipeline that we are calling ATEX. The magnitude of these expansions is exciting because of their geographic reach, serving the growing production literally from the Rockies to Appalachia.

  • In addition to being great stand-alone projects, backed by long-term ship-or-pay agreements, all four are going to bring long-term strategic value to our NGL network. Mike has already mentioned that the Mid-America expansion topped out at 82,500 barrels a day. This project and the Texas Express joint-venture NGL pipeline we are building with Enbridge and Anadarko are complementary. They assure producers both in the Rockies and in the rich corridor developing in the Midcontinent that they have a reliable outlet for their production. I will add we are not slowing down out West; there is more to come.

  • The last project is the ATEX express Marcellus ethane project that we announced in January. For Enterprise, this is a home run. It is a home run for the producers in the Marcellus and Utica and it's a home run for the Gulf Coast petrochemical industry. Because we are going to use significant amounts of existing pipe, we are able to be competitive from both a cost and timing standpoint. And the project significantly increases the value of an existing asset for Enterprise.

  • It adds substantial value to both the Marcellus and Utica producers and to the Gulf Coast petrochemicals, as these volumes are key to both realizing their growth potential. The project integrates Marcellus/Utica volumes into our NGL infrastructure at Mont Belvieu and all along the Gulf Coast. It provides Enterprise with what we believe is going to be a very strategic access to some of the fastest growing rich gas supplies in the country. And it creates a platform for us to seek and develop other opportunities in the Marcellus and Utica similar to what we did in the Rockies once we acquired Mid-America.

  • Last, let's touch a little bit on the ethane fundamentals. Now that a definitive, large-scale solution for the Marcellus/Utica ethane has been reached, there have been many experts -- and in my script, that is in quotes -- who are projecting an early and significant supply of ethane on the Gulf Coast.

  • At Enterprise, we track supply/demand fundamentals, and I'm not going to ever jeopardize my credibility by saying there won't be windows where ethane will be oversupplied, or for that matter, undersupplied. I will tell you that our models indicate that ethane is likely to stay in balance even after Marcellus comes in service. Personally, I think the petrochemical industry needs Marcellus to realize their potential.

  • In a market this big, there's always variables on both the supply and demand side of the equation, each with numerous possibilities and timelines. These include things such as how quickly the reserves can be developed and brought online, how quickly petrochemicals can do their conversions and builds. Turnarounds play a part, and then how quickly new pipe will be built. I can tell you they won't be full on day one and they are not contracted this way. This is a fact that many people miss -- new pipelines are not full on the first day.

  • For example, our Texas Express, with a capacity of 280,000 barrels a day when it comes up, and our Marcellus, with a capacity of 125,000 barrels a day, will neither be full, as there is typically a three- to five-year ramp-up on these projects. Out of all the scenarios we run, even a very high production scenario, we don't show ethane being significantly oversupplied for any extended period of time, and we are talking months, not years.

  • As an extreme, I asked our fundamentals group to model the remaining naphtha and gas oil cracking at a time when we are showing growing ethane use, and they found the naphtha gas oil cracking was still 230,000 barrels a day of the equivalent ethane demand. Now that's probably not likely to be converted, but it gives you an idea of the size of the headroom. I have said before, don't underestimate petrochemical industries' ability to consume ethane. The economics are compelling to not only crack all the ethane they can, but as quickly as possible, and to position themselves to be able to crack substantial amounts more in the years to come.

  • With the wide gas to crude spreads that have been developing in the last few years, the installation of ethane flexibility has quickly moved from being a nicety to being an economic necessity. The answer lies in ethane's price advantage, and we continue to see the laws of supply and demand hard at work. Just last week, per our models, ethylene from methane cost $0.20 a pound less than ethylene from naphtha. On a 1.5 billion pound a year plant, that is an annualized $300 million in margin. In addition, that ethylene made from that ethane is globally competitive. The cost advantage has not and will not be ignored.

  • Further, with ethane as this market's baseload feedstock, other opportunities present themselves. There is a greater appetite for reliable supplies of propylene and for butadiene, which is a positive for propane and butane, and there are growing exports for propane.

  • In short, shale has given new opportunities for petrochemicals, refining, midstream and especially for Enterprise. At our Company, we know our business, we understand our customers and their needs, both on the producing and consuming side, and we focus on market fundamentals for the long-term. Frankly, we are very excited about where we are and we are very excited about where we are going, to the point at being a 66-year-old, I wish I was 50. And with that, I will turn it over to Randy.

  • Randy Fowler - EVP, CFO

  • Thanks, Jim. I will take a few minutes to review some additional income items and capitalization items. General and administrative costs decreased to $44 million in the fourth quarter of 2011 from $54 million in the fourth quarter of 2010, primarily due to transaction expenses related to our merger with Enterprise GP Holdings of approximately $11 million, which were included in G&A costs in the fourth quarter of 2010.

  • Interest expense was $183 million this quarter compared to $213 million reported in the fourth quarter of 2010. Included in interest expense for the fourth quarter of 2010 was approximately $31 million of charges related to the merger with Enterprise GP Holdings, including charges associated with their interest-rate swaps and the write-off of their unamortized debt issuance cost.

  • Average debt balance for the fourth quarters of 2011 and 2010 were $15.1 billion and $13.8 billion, respectively. Capitalized interest increased by $18 million this quarter compared to the fourth quarter of 2010.

  • Total capital expenditures were $1.1 billion this quarter, which included $1 billion for growth projects. Approximately 66% of growth capital expenditures this quarter were associated with the Haynesville and Eagle Ford shale related projects. As Mike mentioned earlier, we spent $3.6 billion on growth capital projects this year, primarily for fee-based pipeline and related projects in the Haynesville and the Eagle Ford shale plays.

  • Currently, we expect to invest approximately $3.5 billion in growth capital projects in 2012, approximately 40% of that expenditure related to the Eagle Ford Shale related projects.

  • Sustaining capital expenditures were $79 million in the fourth quarter of 2011 and $296 million for the entire year of 2011. In 2012, we expect to spend approximately $300 million to $325 million for sustaining CapEx.

  • Adjusted EBITDA for the 12 months ended December 31, 2011 was $4 billion. Adjusted EBITDA is defined as EBITDA, less equity earnings from unconsolidated affiliates, plus actual cash distributions received from unconsolidated affiliates. Our consolidated leverage ratio of debt principle to adjusted EBITDA was 3.5 times for 2011, after adjusting debt for 50% equity treatment of the hybrid securities.

  • Our adjusted ratio of debt to EBITDA was 3.6 times, if you reduce adjusted EBITDA for the $156 million of non-cash gains from the sale of assets recorded in 2011.

  • Our floating interest-rate exposure is approximately 8% of the total debt portfolio. The average debt life was 11 years, using the first call date for the hybrids, and a little over 16 years if you use the final maturity.

  • Our effective average cost of debt was 5.6% with respect to the quarter. Since the beginning of 2011, we have made notable progress in evaluating our portfolio of assets for those assets that are earning low rates of return on capital and not strategic long-term. The two largest assets we have divested are approximately $32.4 million Energy Transfer Equity units and our Mississippi natural gas storage business. This includes the $825 million of ETE units that we settled on January 18.

  • In total, we've sold these assets for approximately $1.7 billion, which suggests we were earning an unlevered return on capital of approximately 7%. We believe our organic growth projects should generate higher returns on capital and generate incremental distributable cash flow without growing our balance sheet.

  • For example, if you assume we can redeploy this capital at a 15% unlevered return, we could generate incremental DCF equal to approximately 6.5% of our current annualized distribution rate of $2.48. Assuming a more modest 12.5% return on capital, distributable cash flow accretion would be approximately 4.5% of our current distribution rate. It is unusual for an MLP to sell assets because they generally cannot afford to lose the associated distributable cash flow. Because of our healthy distribution coverage, and a general partner without incentive distribution rights, we have this type of flexibility to high-grade our assets, increase our distributable cash flow and the value of our partnership units.

  • At December 31, 2011, we had consolidated liquidity of approximately $3.4 billion, which included availability under EPD's credit facility, as well as unrestricted cash. Our consolidated liquidity at December 31 does not include the $825 million of proceeds from the sale of approximately 22.8 million Energy Transfer Equity units that closed on January 18 of 2012. You add those two together, that is $4.3 billion.

  • With that, we will turn it over for questions.

  • Randy Burkhalter - VP of IR

  • Thank you, Randy. Christie, we are ready to take questions from the audience now.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Brad Olson, Tudor Pickering.

  • Brad Olsen - Analyst

  • Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for all the color on the kind of macro data points. I guess on the back of that, considering the fact that ATEX emerged from the fact that you guys were able, with your legacy assets, to deliver a low-cost solution for ethane supply in the Marcellus, do you think that there is any potential long term to use maybe a similar strategy to provide a propane takeaway solution out of the Marcellus?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • As we look at the production growth up there in that area, I think it will be five to seven years before the propane production will exceed the local demand. So what we are looking at short-term is using the network of assets we have to feed the distribution system that is there. And then yes, down the road, as production grows, we do have the capability of providing a solution back to Belvieu.

  • Brad Olsen - Analyst

  • Okay, great. I guess the long-term view that you guys provided, notwithstanding, in the last month, ethane pricing has softened pretty significantly, and just because you guys touch so many producers as well as consumers, do you have any thoughts about -- I guess is the warm winter up in the northeast displacing propane that would have otherwise gone up to Pad 1? And is that propane getting cracked on the Gulf Coast, or are there other factors at work in the kind of ethane softness that we have seen?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • I'm having a hard time with the question. We talk about softness; we have gone from phenomenal margins to just great margins. We have had quite a few turnarounds. We've lost probably 50,000 barrels a day; that is to be expected. We are just still pretty excited. I don't know what it has to do with propane. I haven't seen a heck of a lot of Potomac propane cracking, or have we? Have we seen an increase?

  • Tony Chovanec - VP, Fundamentals/Strategic Assessment

  • Seen a slight increase, but not really a great deal of it.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • A slight increase, Tony says, but not a great deal.

  • Brad Olsen - Analyst

  • Okay. Any numbers around that slight increase in propane cracking?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Not more than what -- 30,000, 40,000 barrels a day? (multiple speakers)

  • Brad Olsen - Analyst

  • All right, great. That's great color. Thanks a lot, guys.

  • Operator

  • Darren Horowitz, Raymond James.

  • Darren Horowitz - Analyst

  • Jim, based on the NGL fundamentals and all the work to be done, I figure you are going to have to stick around for at least another 10 or 15 years.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Randa Duncan tells me my retirement age is 100 (laughter).

  • Darren Horowitz - Analyst

  • Yes, well, you're going to have to at least be 100 before you can take it to the house.

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • Yes, we will reevaluate at that time.

  • Darren Horowitz - Analyst

  • Yes, yes. So just two quick questions for me, Jim. With all the emphasis on moving Y-grade into Belvieu and the ATEX line moving more product into Belvieu, how do you guys think about the Conway-to-Belvieu spread for ethane widening over time? And more importantly, your position to increase that ability to capitalize on that regional arbitrage?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Well, our Texas Express -- and I am going to look to Jim Collingsworth -- but our Texas Express, in combination with our Mid-America pipeline system, will have the ability to move Midcontinent Y-grade into Mont Belvieu. Frankly, I don't think you could hold these spreads long-term; there is going to be pipe built.

  • Jim Collingsworth - SVP, Regulated Pipelines & Gas Storage

  • What I can add, Jim, what used to balance, it was $0.035. And with the new tariffs all in, you are now looking at escalation over the next three or four years, you're up to $0.10 or $0.12.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Okay, did you get that, Darren?

  • Darren Horowitz - Analyst

  • Yes, I did. It's just amazing to me, because, you know, your Belvieu-Conway ethane spread, your purity versus EP mix was up around $0.60, which is fantastic. And like you said, you have gone from fantastic spreads and now it is around $0.30, but it's still pretty healthy. And it seems like there would be an increasing opportunity for arbitrage because Conway could effectively be the marginal ethane spot. Would you agree with that, Jim?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • I think it's the marginal ethane site.

  • Darren Horowitz - Analyst

  • Yes, yes. So just kind of thinking about that, with the commitments on MAPL up to 82,500, you seem to have the volume to justify Texas Express expanding up close to that 400,000 mark and moving more product to Belvieu. If that's the case, how do you think about additional volumes coming into Hobbs, and the ability maybe to even move more product on either Seminole or Chaparral?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Chaparral are chock-a-block full today and have been for several years. So the only opportunity we've got to move additional volumes is Texas Express. And going from 280,000 to 400,000 is a very cheap expansion and something that can be done within nine to 12 months.

  • Darren Horowitz - Analyst

  • Okay. And Jim, just last question for me. As you look at what you guys are doing with the ATEX NGL line, how do you think about officially moving forward with that Gulf Coast ethane header system? I mean, it would seem to me like you've got all the pieces of the puzzle in place to do so. And more importantly, the one piece that is lacking is the front end of the system. And in the spirit of being more vertically integrated, how do you guys think about establishing a gas gathering and processing footprint up in the northeast?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • We continue to push the ethane header system, frankly, it's a function of what kind of support we get from petrochemicals. It seems to be growing legs. In terms of the northeast, you can bet your bottom dollar -- we've always said we don't build and buy what doesn't already fit us. Now it fits us, we are going to take a hard look at can we develop a presence up there in gathering and processing.

  • Darren Horowitz - Analyst

  • I appreciate it, Jim.

  • Operator

  • Brian Zarahn, Barclays Capital.

  • Brian Zarahn - Analyst

  • Good morning. Congratulations on the credit ratings upgrades. With your cash flow mix I think around 70% fee-based, and you have a lot of projects coming online over the next few years, where do you see your mix of fee-based versus margin-based cash flows around 2014 or so?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • I think we have been around 70% fee-based, and we see that growing to 75%.

  • Brian Zarahn - Analyst

  • Okay. On the Seaway and ECHO projects, first on Seaway, when in the second quarter do you estimate 150,000 barrels to be online?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • I think what we've most recently said, trying to narrow it down, was first of June. But again, if we can get it in early, we will.

  • Brian Zarahn - Analyst

  • And then how is the ECHO terminal project coming along?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • It's coming along great; we like what we see. We think we can -- we have a vision of that being a hub with probably 5 million barrels of storage.

  • Brian Zarahn - Analyst

  • And then in terms on the potential expansion to Seaway, about Seaway, about how much additional capacity could you add to the system above 400,000 barrels?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • Well, it depends on demand.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • I am going to ask Hurley. I think Mark and I -- I think I got a little confused in my script. On a WTI basis, that pipe will do 500,000 barrels a day?

  • Mark Hurley - SVP, Crude Oil & Offshore

  • The existing Seaway line will do 500,000 barrels a day on a WTI basis.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Based on the contract mix we are looking at, heavy to sweet, what are we looking at it being able to move on that?

  • Mark Hurley - SVP, Crude Oil & Offshore

  • About in the mid-400,000s or so. Roughly two thirds sour, one third sweet.

  • But you asked about how much we can add. It really depends on what the demand is. We can add as much as the market needs, and I think we are sitting here in a great position to be able to add as much capacity as the Midcontinent producers and the Canadian producers need for the next 10 to 20 years.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Is it public on the (inaudible) Cushing piece, if that will be looped (inaudible)?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • It is now (laughter).

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Let me put it like this. We got pipe in the ground in combination with our partner that can access Alberta, the Baaken and Cushing. The only thing we would need to expand in terms of looping, if we got enough interest, would be Seaway, and we are fully prepared to do it.

  • Mark Hurley - SVP, Crude Oil & Offshore

  • And we can easily get to 1 million barrels a day of total capacity if there is enough demand to support that. And if there is demand beyond that, we can take that volume higher.

  • Brian Zarahn - Analyst

  • Okay. Final question from me, on capitalized interest, Randy. Is that it expected to be similar to 2011 levels?

  • Randy Fowler - EVP, CFO

  • Yes, in 2012 -- I think 2011 level was around $100 million, and I think that's probably same level for 2012.

  • Brian Zarahn - Analyst

  • Okay, thanks.

  • Operator

  • Stephen Maresca, Morgan Stanley.

  • Stephen Maresca - Analyst

  • Good morning, everybody. In terms of the ATEX ethane line, are their issues different with moving ethane long-term -- long distances, I mean -- as opposed to moving other parts of the NGL barrel or other parts of products? I'm trying to figure out if there is -- what the hurdles are, if there are any, other than just essentially going through normal procedures of building the pipe.

  • Jim Collingsworth - SVP, Regulated Pipelines & Gas Storage

  • No, there is not, and we do it today.

  • Jim Collingsworth - SVP, Regulated Pipelines & Gas Storage

  • The only difference is pump seals.

  • Rudy Nix - SVP, NGL Distribution Services and Asset Optimization

  • Pump seals, yes.

  • Stephen Maresca - Analyst

  • Okay. Jim, thanks for the color on macro. Why does it seem -- you mentioned sort of the sky is falling predictions that seem to continue to come out. The debate rages on and probably will continue to in terms of ethane and NGLs.

  • What do you think the chemical companies are missing or why do they keep talking about 20% to 50% drops in ethane? Is it certainly a bias on their part to talk like that, or is there something you see that they are not seeing?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • Steve, it's not the chemical companies; it's some reports coming out from chemical analysts that we think are missing some of the key factors. And I think every time Jim reads one of these, his blood pressure goes up.

  • Stephen Maresca - Analyst

  • But you have heard from CEOs of some of the chemical companies that have predicted ethane to go down. I mean, late last year, they thought ethane would go down 20% to 50% this year. I thought I read that and saw that a couple places.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Full disclosure, I am a retiree of the Dow Chemical Company, okay? And they are no different than anybody else. They talk their book.

  • I was with my former friends not long ago in New York. Really what I said to them was, you know, your really advantage on ethane, given the gas-to-crude, it's not about ethane being cheaper; it's about you being able -- given it's a relative thing. And if I'm still there, what I'm focused on is I want to be the guy that can use the most the quickest because that's where the advantage is.

  • I think it took them a while, and rightfully so, to really determine is this thing real. They bought into that full force right now and they're moving hard to expand.

  • Stephen Maresca - Analyst

  • Okay. Final question from me, appreciate that you guys are in great financial shape and don't need equity relative to the plan for 2012. Would that be your goal, to get through the year with not issuing equity at EPD?

  • Randy Fowler - EVP, CFO

  • We have always said that we want to stay in front of our equity needs. And looking at 2012 and our capital spend, where we are in terms of liquidity and balance sheet, we are very comfortable that given our current expectation of capital spend, we don't need to issue equity. So we are certainly not intending to do anything before it is needed.

  • Stephen Maresca - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks a lot, everybody.

  • Operator

  • Ted Durbin, Goldman Sachs.

  • Ted Durbin - Analyst

  • Yes, just following up on Stephen's question there on the equity side, can you tell us how much of the -- whether it is ETE of sales or if it's just regular asset sales like the gas storage business, how much of that is actually baked into not needing equity?

  • And then just comment a little bit about -- you said you got the upgrades from the rating agencies; they have you on a positive watch. Are you looking to get another notch upgrade on your ratings or are you happy where you are?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • Well, let me just talk about our equity expectations. Certainly, if we are issuing units of Energy Transfer Equity, or selling those, then that's very similar to us issuing equity. As Randy said, if we can take assets, whether it's storage or whether it's another third party's common units that yields 7% and redeploy that in 15% projects, it is a win-win all over the place. And again, that kind of upgrade certainly lessens the need for equity. Randy, do you want to talk about Fitch?

  • Randy Fowler - EVP, CFO

  • We're, again, very appreciative of the upgrades from S&P and Moody's. As you know, we still have the positive outlook there, and I think both noted that if we continue to execute and bring in projects on time, on budget, execute on what we think we can earn on those projects, keep our credit metrics in good shape, then they see a window 12 to 24 months out that we might see another upgrade. So I think we just need to run our race and continue to execute and let that play out.

  • I know Mike mentioned Fitch. Fitch is still there at BBB-minus. I think they have also a positive outlook. And I think they are in their cycle right now of doing their annual reviews also.

  • Ted Durbin - Analyst

  • Okay, great. And then just on the distribution itself, it sounds like you are going to wait until some of the Eagle Ford projects and whatnot come online. Are you implicitly saying you will stay at the same growth rate that you have been on the last few quarters through 2012 until those come on, or is there a chance that you might bump faster, sooner?

  • Randy Fowler - EVP, CFO

  • No, we are not trying to imply that we are going to do anything. We have always said we look at it every quarter. What we would say is that we've got extraordinarily strong distribution coverage, in part because our businesses are running on all cylinders, but in part because we've had some asset sales that tend to distort the coverage ratio.

  • We do have, as we said, about $3.6 billion we are going to spend this year, and that's going to be capital that we are spending that's not going to be returning cash flow to us immediately. So we just need to manage through that construction cycle.

  • Ted Durbin - Analyst

  • Got it. And then, Jim, I appreciate the comments on ATEX and Texas Express, the volumes. Can you give us a sense of the actual ramp there? You said three to five years. Should we think of that as sort of a pro-rata ramp in the volumes? Is it back-end loaded? Any more detail you could give us there would be helpful.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • No. (laughter) We look at our IRRs, we look at our simple interest in the early years -- simple return in the early years, and that's how we make our decisions.

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • And Ted, the producers are going to be pretty cautious about it. Certainly to sanction a project, we need some certainty of cash flow, and so there is some demand charges that we are counting on during that ramp-up period. But whether the production is actually going to be there or not, we don't know.

  • Ted Durbin - Analyst

  • Got it. In other words, if the capacity is there, you could run spot barrels on those pipelines, presumably, even if you didn't have contracted volumes coming on them.

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • But if they were spot barrels, then those producers would probably be stepping up to more capacity anyway.

  • Ted Durbin - Analyst

  • Yes, yes, got it. Okay, that's great. That's it for me. Thanks.

  • Randy Fowler - EVP, CFO

  • The good thing about those spot barrels -- I think they are about -- the tariff's about $0.05 higher than the precedent rate, so that's not a bad thing.

  • Ted Durbin - Analyst

  • Yes. Okay, thanks.

  • Operator

  • John Tysseland, Citigroup.

  • John Tysseland - Analyst

  • Hi, guys. Good morning. Mike, just to follow up on the distribution growth rate question. Any kind of clarity as to what metrics or specific kind of metrics you will be looking at post? Let's say your CapEx spending slows down, although that's not really in sight at this point; it continues to move up. But what will you be looking at and assessing in terms of -- to look at that growth rate? Can you narrow it down a little bit from between coverage, fee-based cash flows, leverage and need for expansion? Any kind of more detail that you can provide on the metrics that you will be looking at.

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • John, it's kind of all of those. And I don't want to describe it as a black box, but it truly is looking at how our assets are performing given the current business cycle, looking at our need for capital. We have got a lot of assets that are going to be going into service this year. Some of them, about $1.7 billion, in the first half of the year, and then another big chunk in the fourth quarter.

  • So we want to see how those perform and make sure that our balance sheet stays where we want it to be. We are not planning on funding all of our capital with 100% retained distributable cash flow, but we do still think a piece of that makes sense.

  • And as we look forward over 2012, just looking at the facts, we expect our distribution coverage to decline throughout the year until those projects come up. And so what we really want to do is see how those projects perform, look what the business climate appears to be for 2013 and what our CapEx is.

  • You are right. It does appear that we are kind of on track to spend $3.5 billion or so a year on capital expenditures, and we certainly have the opportunities that we think that's probably going to be the case for 2013. Although we haven't identified them. But that doesn't necessarily mean that we wouldn't consider an increase in the distribution rate.

  • John Tysseland - Analyst

  • That's great color. I mean, any kind of feeling -- or does your peers' cost of capital at all play into that decision, where you have seen some of the midstream MLPs -- I mean, it is a pretty robust environment, where they have ratcheted up their growth rate. Does that play at all into the mind of where your distribution growth is, or are you really just looking internally?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • We're not too much of followers. And we think that some of those bumps that you are hearing other MLPs talk about are because of dropdowns they are doing and things that they really have to do because they don't have the same organic growth opportunities that we do. We are more of a consistent performer, and we think that's going to provide better returns for our unitholders over time.

  • John Tysseland - Analyst

  • Great. And then, Jim -- and I'm sorry, I dropped off right at the beginning of your comments and then dialed back in -- but -- if you answered this or not, I don't know. But on the propane export pipeline or export terminal expansion, could you give me a quick update on when that comes online? And once it does come online, we saw, I think, peak exports of about 175,000 barrels a day out of the US. What could that be once you get your propane -- or the NGL export dock expansion up and running?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • I will let Lynn Bourdon answer this briefly.

  • Lynn Bourdon - SVP, Supply & Marketing

  • We are still on -- I like that briefly part -- we are still on track for completing the expansion sometime in late 2012. And we would anticipate with the capacity we have we could double the exports that we had. We'll see if the market will bear that as we go forward, but already we have a significant number of contracts in place for 2012 and 2013, and we will continue to add to those as the market is accepting of it.

  • John Tysseland - Analyst

  • On a barrels-per-day basis, because I know you guys look at it from a loading hour -- I think barrels that you can load per hour, any kind of clarity on what that means on a barrels-per-day basis, how meaningful this expansion will be?

  • Lynn Bourdon - SVP, Supply & Marketing

  • Well, we will be able to load at about 240,000 barrels a day when the expansion is up, from a pure physical capacity standpoint. Rudy?

  • Rudy Nix - SVP, NGL Distribution Services and Asset Optimization

  • One of our constraints is going to be supply. We've got to produce the LE -- low-ethane propane. So one of the things we are working on fairly significantly right now is making sure we've got enough supply to maintain the ability to load at that rate.

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • And what we have, I think, is -- you really need a very strong fractionation complex to support exports of propane, and that's what kind of differentiates us.

  • Rudy Nix - SVP, NGL Distribution Services and Asset Optimization

  • So as we add our fracs, we put on Frac 6, we are adding more capacity.

  • John Tysseland - Analyst

  • Is the demand still there that you are seeing currently -- or outside the US?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • We're sold out in '12 and we are pushing '13 pretty hard.

  • John Tysseland - Analyst

  • Great, thanks for the color, guys.

  • Operator

  • Yves Siegel, Credit Suisse.

  • Yves Siegel - Analyst

  • Yes, thanks, good morning, everybody. Just several quick follow-ups -- underscore quick. Number one, Mike or Randy, do you have any additional assets that are not earning an appropriate rate that could be divestiture candidates?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • We continue to look at our assets, and we may have some small, rather insignificant assets in the grand scheme of things. We do have some ETE units left, if you are interested.

  • Yves Siegel - Analyst

  • We can talk off-line. I guess I am thinking, are you still committed to the Gulf of Mexico?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • We think that the Gulf of Mexico certainly had a setback with Macondo and with hurricanes prior to that. We think that the majors are really putting more emphasis into it now. We did announce our Lucius pipeline, and that one really is a nice asset where we think that the appropriate parties are bearing appropriate risk. It's not one that we are putting a lot of money into right now, but we certainly don't think that this would be a time to sell it. We think that Gulf of Mexico area is on the rebound.

  • Yves Siegel - Analyst

  • And then my final two questions would be, number one, for Mr. Teague, do you envision or are you still of the opinion that we won't see more downstream infrastructure get developed up here in the Northeast? I'm thinking perhaps an ethylene cracker. Or any change in your thoughts there, given how prolific the Marcellus and Utica may very well be?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • It does seem like the place to build ethylene plants, given all the infrastructure. And it goes beyond -- if you look at the Gulf Coast and you look at the ethylene, there is full connectivity on the front end, there is full connectivity -- virtually full connectivity on the back end. That is a huge advantage.

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • As you think about the NGL storage, the ethane storage that we've got on the Gulf Coast, that is something they don't have up there.

  • Yves Siegel - Analyst

  • Okay. And then my last question, as you think about this growth capital cycle that you have been on -- and clearly, you are getting much better visibility into 2013 -- do you have any sense of how long the growth being at an elevated level could go? Do you think you have good visibility into 2014 and 2015 in terms of thinking that you could be spending at this multi-billion-dollar rate?

  • Randy Fowler - EVP, CFO

  • Certainly 2013, just given our existing projects, we said, we've got $6.5 billion of projects under construction right now. We have got a few others that we are looking at that have not been announced, haven't been sanctioned, but could happen. And if they do, they are more likely to be capital spend in 2013 and '14.

  • If you look back over the last six or seven years, 2009 was the only one that had a downtick in CapEx, and that was because of our concerns about the financial markets, which proved not to be as big an issue as we thought they might be.

  • But I think one of the things to think about is that with the ATEX pipeline, with the big assets that we are building in the Eagle Ford, we are really building a backbone that we can build off of and develop smaller, discrete projects that don't have the same kind of timeline. So we can develop them faster, get them producing cash faster, and I think it means even more growth for the partnership.

  • Yves Siegel - Analyst

  • Thanks so much.

  • Operator

  • John Edwards, Morgan Keegan.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • Yes, good morning, everybody. Just on the ETE units, how many do you have left?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • Sorry, John, you're cutting out.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • Can you hear me?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • Yes.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • The ETE units, how many units do you have left?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • We've got about 6.5 million.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • Okay, great. And then I'm just wondering -- with all the construction, are you seeing any kind of inflation in labor and materials at this point, or is it pretty benign?

  • Bill Ordemann - EVP, Engineering, Operations & Environmental

  • There has been a slight increase. It has kind of been ramping up pretty steadily over the last couple of years. But we are still nowhere near where we were in 2007, 2008 levels.

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • And I think the good thing to note is, as we have said a couple times during this conference call, we have been building assets and coming in under budget. So even though those costs have been reflected in the AFEs, we have been able to come in under budget.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • Okay. Are things staying on schedule? Are you seeing any bottlenecks that would cause any slippage, or do you feel really pretty comfortable with the construction schedules?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • We feel pretty comfortable at this point in time, John.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • Okay, great. And then just wondering, are you looking at a Frac 7?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • I think we are looking at Frac 12 (laughter).

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • If we listened to our Fractionation Group, we would have trains from Mont Belvieu to Beaumont.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • Okay. All right. And then out of the $6.5 billion currently under way, I guess ongoing, I'm trying to figure out -- I mean, you have $3.5 billion budgeted for this year. How much of that $6.5 billion is built out? Is it just simple math on the $6.5 billion minus $3.5 billion, or what's the right way to think about that?

  • Randy Fowler - EVP, CFO

  • John, I think probably because some of that $6.5 billion was spent frankly in 2011, some's being spent 2012, some's being spent in 2013, the tail on this may be a couple of billion dollars in 2013.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • Okay. And then -- so now, what's the opportunity backlog you are looking at now?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • As Carl Sagan would say, billions and billions.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • Seriously, we have a lot of opportunities. It really is a question of what makes the most sense for the Partnership. And we have got a number of projects that literally could be several billion dollars' worth. It's just a question of whether it really makes sense at the end of the day and whether we can get the contracts to support it.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • Okay, so the bottom line, you are not really seeing a falloff here in opportunity set at all?

  • Michael Creel - President, CEO

  • We've never been opportunity short; it's more trying to be disciplined in the way we spend our capital.

  • John Edwards - Analyst

  • Okay, great. That's all I had. Thank you very much.

  • Randy Burkhalter - VP of IR

  • Christie, this is Randy. We have time for one more question.

  • Operator

  • T.J. Schultz, RBC Capital Markets.

  • T.J. Schultz - Analyst

  • Hey, guys. Any update on your ability to charge market-based rates on Seaway? And then assuming you obtain market base, what's the timing for some of the discounted rates that you've stated you intend to honor? What period of time would you able to set the rate at the market price for transportation?

  • Mark Hurley - SVP, Crude Oil & Offshore

  • Yes, this is Mark. Well, first of all, we feel very good about our application and the way that we measure your ability to achieve market-based rates, so we think we have a very, very solid case. The timing on that I think is going to be into the second quarter with the way the FERC process plays out.

  • With respect to when we start with the commitments that shippers already have on the Seaway, those commitments officially start in the second quarter of 2013. There is a possibility they can be moved forward, if all shippers unanimously feel they can meet those commitments. And so that's an issue we are working right now.

  • T.J. Schultz - Analyst

  • Okay, great. I guess, Jim, just a kind of clarification on the naphtha cracking comment, 230,000 barrels a day of ethane equivalent you said that is not likely to be converted. Just I guess some clarification there on what kind of headroom you would imply that gives you or what are some of the reasons or limitations for that not to be converted?

  • Jim Teague - EVP, COO

  • Those crackers are integrated with the refineries, so you have issues around what does a refiner do with that product that typically goes to the ethylene plant. The point is within that complex, given the cost advantage, there are still economics to do things beyond what we are showing. That's the point of it. That's the point.

  • T.J. Schultz - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. Thanks, guys.

  • Randy Burkhalter - VP of IR

  • Christie, if you would, would you give our listeners the replay information for the call today?

  • Operator

  • Today's replay will be available beginning at 1 p.m. Eastern Time today through February 8, 2012 at midnight. To listen to the replay, please dial 800-585-8367 or 404-537-3406. The conference ID number for the replay is 34210737. Again, the conference ID number is 34210737.

  • Randy Burkhalter - VP of IR

  • Thank you, Christie, and we'd like to thank everyone for listening in on the call today and that ends our call. Thank you and have a good day.

  • Operator

  • Thank you again for participating in today's conference call. You may now disconnect.