Euronet Worldwide Inc (EEFT) 2018 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Greetings, and welcome to the Euronet Worldwide Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call.

(Operator Instructions)

As a reminder, this conference may be recorded.

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Jeff Newman, Executive Vice President and General Counsel for Euronet Worldwide.

Thank you.

Mr. Newman, you may begin.

Thank you, Bruce.

Good morning, and welcome everyone to Euronet's quarterly results conference call.

We will present our results for the third quarter 2018 on this call.

We have Mike Brown, our Chairman and CEO; Rick Weller, our CFO; and Kevin Caponecchi, the CEO of our epay division on the call.

Before we begin, I need to call your attention to the forward-looking statements disclaimer on the first page of the PowerPoint presentation we'll be making today.

Statements on this call that concern Euronet's or its management's intentions, expectations or predictions of future performance are forward-looking statements.

Euronet's actual results may vary materially from those anticipated in such forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors that are listed and are on the first page of our presentation.

Euronet does not intend to update these forward-looking statements and undertakes no duty to any person to provide any such update under any circumstances.

In addition, the PowerPoint presentation includes a reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures we will use during this call to their most comparable GAAP measures.

Now I'll turn the call over to our CFO, Rick Weller.

Right.

Thank you, Jeff, and good morning, and thank you to everyone who has joined us today.

I will begin my comments on Slide #5.

For the third quarter, we delivered revenue of $714 million, operating income of $151 million and adjusted EBITDA of $181 million.

Third quarter adjusted EPS was $2.16 a share, a 34% year-over-year increase and $0.06 ahead of the guidance we provided in July.

This $0.06 overachievement includes about $0.01 of headwind from FX changes and approximately $0.025 of headwind from convertible bond related share dilution, driven by our nicely improved share price.

These headwinds were more than offset by approximately $0.05 of favorability in taxes, aided by the exercise of nearly expired options.

So net-net, the business outperformed our expectations by nearly $0.05.

Clearly, an outstanding achievement and another record quarterly earning performance.

Next slide, please.

Slide 6 shows our 3-year transaction trend by segment.

EFT transactions grew 16% from continued expansion of our ATM and POS processing networks in Europe and India.

Epay transactions declined 3%.

The decline was principally from the Middle East.

Whereas noted in prior quarters, we ceased processing for a large mobile top-up distributor with low-value, low-margin mobile transactions.

This quarter marks the anniversary of this event.

And we are now starting to see nice nonmobile growth from the Middle East.

Money transfers grew 16%, which included contributions from all areas of our Money Transfer business.

Next slide, please.

Slide 7 presents our results on a reported basis.

On a year-over-year basis, there were significant swings in foreign currencies where we operate.

The major currencies declined up to 10% with some of the minor currencies changing as much as twice that.

To normalize the impact of these currency fluctuations, we've presented our results adjusted for currency on the next slide.

Slide 8. Starting from the top of the slide, EFT delivered another exceptional quarter with constant currency revenue, operating income and adjusted EBITDA growth of 18%, 28% and 26%, respectively.

These strong growth rates were the result of a 10% increase in ATMs and a 16% increase in transactions primarily from Europe and India.

The transaction growth includes an increase in value-added transactions on the ATMs and point-of-sale terminals, including dynamic currency conversion, domestic and international surcharge and foreign currency dispensing.

Revenue and gross profit per transaction remained consistent on a year-over-year basis, which nicely leverage an expansion of operating income margins by 300 basis points, reflecting the success of our strategy to deploy more ATMs and more products on those ATMs in our seasonally strongest quarter.

Epay delivered a solid quarter with constant currency revenue growth of 3%, operating income growth of 6% and adjusted EBITDA growth of 2%.

This growth was primarily the result of increased nonmobile transactions, partially offset by certain mobile declines.

Gross margin per transaction improved slightly year-over-year and operating income benefited from certain intangible assets becoming fully amortized in late 2017.

Money Transfer had an exceptional quarter, delivering 18% revenue growth, 42% operating income growth and 34% adjusted EBITDA growth.

These very strong double-digit growth rates were driven by 16% increases in Money Transfer, which included contributions from all areas of the Money Transfer business.

Revenue and gross profit per transaction improved, which is reflected in the operating margin expansion of 200 basis point.

Another quarter where all segments posted revenue and operating income growth.

Clearly, an impressive quarter.

Let's move to Slide 9 and talk a bit about the balance sheet.

The decline in cash and debt was the result of cash used to pay down term debt and the revolver.

Bear in mind that the June 30 balance sheet included the ramp up in the amount of seasonal cash necessary to meet seasonal demand peaking in the third quarter.

The September balance sheet picks up the free cash flows generated by the outstanding quarter we discussed in the prior slide but reflects the ramping down of seasonal cash as tourism tapers off, and we began to winterize certain ATMs.

As you may have read in our press release earlier this week, we have entered into a new $1 billion unsecured revolving credit facility.

The new facility includes additional commitments from both new and existing lenders.

It eliminates security requirements and expands our multicurrency borrowing capabilities.

The increased capacity of the credit agreement will allow us the flexibility to fund our strategic growth initiatives and ultimately deliver additional value to our shareholders.

We are fortunate to have a very impressive group of banks to work with in growing and expanding our business.

The signing of this new credit agreement marks another milestone in the history of Euronet where our continued growth and strengthening balance sheet reflects the bank's willingness to move to an unsecured agreement.

And finally, that same strengthened financial position was recognized by Standard & Poor's with an improved credit-rating of Euronet.

As I close, and I know I've said it before, this was an outstanding quarter for Euronet.

With that, I'll turn it over to Mike.

Thank you, Rick.

I'd like to -- for everybody to continue please on Slide #12.

So -- and thank you everybody for joining us today.

As I reflect on the results from this quarter and see a 34% growth rate in adjusted EPS, I think it's safe to say we pretty much crushed it this quarter.

Not only did we have revenue and operating income contributions from all 3 segments, but we continue to add new products and more devices and new -- into our new and existing markets.

Our global teams continue to prove that they are the best at what they do.

And these results are a direct reflection of their hard work and dedication.

So I want to say thank you to each and every one of them.

Let's go now to the highlights for each segment, beginning with EFT on Slide #13.

EFT continues to capitalize on the opportunities to deploy ATMs in new and existing markets, to sign new outsourcing agreements and to expand our product portfolio.

Last quarter, we talked to you about the strength of our ATM outsourcing pipeline.

And as you likely saw in a press release a few weeks back, we've signed and launched several new agreements in the quarter.

To-date, we have launched our ATM outsourcing agreement with Piraeus Bank in Romania and we've signed agreements with 3 banks in Poland as well as banks in Cyprus and Albania.

These signed agreements are expected to be transitioned to our network in the fourth quarter.

And our pipeline for outsourcing agreements remains strong with more ATMs likely to be signed in the next 6 to 12 months.

We are also taking advantage of opportunities in new markets.

This quarter, we launched our first outsourcing agreement in the Philippines with Security Bank.

And we helped launched a bank branded ATM network for Philippines Bank of Communication.

These ATMs are driven out of our Euronet data center and just scratched the surface of the opportunities that we see in the Philippines.

We continue to deploy our own ATMs this quarter, signing agreements to add ATMs with key partners in Poland and Italy.

Next slide, please.

Slide 14.

In this slide, it highlights our efforts to deploy new products and our efforts to spread those across new markets.

This quarter, we added JCB card acceptance to our IAD networks in Spain, Denmark and the U.K. and completed a processing service and DCC project for Direktna Bank in Serbia.

We also expanded our Pure Commerce point-of-sales products by adding DCC to Dufry duty-free shop in Hong Kong and Australia and Pure Payment with the Rosewood Hotel in Hong Kong.

And while software is a small part of our business, it plays a key role in technology advances as well as an important role in our outsourcing successes.

Slide #15.

Before we move on to ATM deployments, I'd like to give you an update on the status of the DCC regulations in Europe.

As we previously mentioned, the EU Commission and the EU Council have each completed their drafts of legislative proposals, and the process now awaits the parliamentary proposal.

The Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee of the Parliament is now considering input from various political groups in the parliament.

Beyond what we knew when we gave you an update on our earnings call in July, the parliament released its draft, and it, like the EU Council, does not include a cap on DCC charges.

Further to our understanding, none of the major political groups support a cap.

Accordingly, based on current information, we believe it is unlikely that a cap will be adopted in the final version of the parliamentary proposal.

It seems the focus is on defining disclosures and consumer choice for DCC transactions.

These amendments are still being considered by the ECON Committee through November 5th when the committee is expected to finalize the parliamentary legislative proposal.

After which the parliament's proposal would be presented to the full parliament for a vote.

The parliamentary proposal would be reconciled with the proposals of the EU Commission and the EU Council in a trilogue process, which is expected to be completed in November or December.

Following this reconciliation, the final reconciled proposal would then be finally presented for final voting.

When the law -- when the final law passes, we anticipate the rollout of these changes will be required in 1 to 3 years.

We continue to monitor these DCC developments and continue to believe there is more and more support for allowing a free functioning competitive market dynamic with proper consumer disclosures and no cap on DCC allowing consumer choice when given proper information in fair and transparent disclosures.

Now we can talk about ATM deployments for the quarter.

We finished the quarter with 41,902 ATMs, a 10% year-over-year increase.

During the quarter, we added more than 850 high-value ATMs, we winterized about 150 ATMs.

And our low-margin ATMs in India remain constant.

On a year-to-date basis, we have added 2,442 ATMs, plus the 400 we acquired with Easycash in Ireland.

And with the fourth quarter deployments in our sights, we remain confident that we will hit our goal of 3,500 high-value ATM additions for the full year.

Finally, we are excited to light up Visa DCC for non-European cardholders on a majority of our ATMs next year.

That's a big one.

As I said at the beginning, this was just another very outstanding quarter for the EFT Segment where we continue to benefit from the market opportunities and our team's constant attention to execution.

Now let's move on to Slide #18, and we'll talk about epay.

Epay continues to successfully execute its strategy to add more nonmobile content to more retailers and more markets.

This quarter, we saw the benefit, a broader growth of nonmobile across most of our epay markets.

As a result, nonmobile content has surpassed 2/3 of the total epay growth profit.

As you can see from the bullets on this page, the launches of new content were spread across many markets.

This quarter, we added South Africa to our distribution countries with the launch of Xbox at Prima Interactive, a large gaming distributor and BT Games, a large gaming retailer in that same country.

We continue to see strong growth in our gaming and software content strategies.

And this quarter, we added additional digital distribution in advance of the holiday season.

In Russia, we launched gaming content through VK Pay, Russia's largest social media site.

We also launched digital distribution of Sony content at startselect.com, a large electronics retailer across Europe.

And we expanded distribution of Amazon, with the launch of Amazon Cash at new retailers in Spain and Germany.

With this agreement, we enabled the deposit of cash at our retail locations into the customer's Amazon wallet to enable their e-commerce purchases.

Next slide, please.

On Slide #19, you can see that we've signed several agreements that will allow us to continue these non-mobile growth trends.

We signed the McAfee antivirus distribution agreement in the Middle East and Africa.

And we assigned distribution for Adidas and Nintendo across Europe.

In Australia, we signed Alipay's digital alternative payment scheme with Louis Vuitton luxury retailer.

Boy, I'm telling you, this is a great example where we gave Alipay access to our point-of-sale network in Australia.

And we -- when we lit up this brand-name retailer, it was exciting to see the cash register ring demonstrating once again the value of our global asset.

Overall, this was a solid quarter for the epay segment.

Epay has obviously been impacted by the pricing strategy of the mobile operators.

But epay's ability to deliver growth despite these challenges confirms the decision we made several years ago to pursue aggressively the distribution of non-mobile products, both physical and digital.

And with the portfolio products that goes beyond gift cards to include software, gaming, wallet loads and software-as-a-service products among others, we're excited to move into epay's seasonally strongest fourth quarter.

Now let's move on to Slide #22, and we'll talk about Money Transfer for a bit.

Okay.

Another great quarter from our Money Transfer team.

Following the annual lapping of the Walmart2Walmart contract renewal, this is the second consecutive quarter where we have achieved 17% plus constant currency revenue growth.

These exceptional growth rates often generate questions about how we can continue to grow faster than the market or faster than some of our larger competitors.

In truth, there is no single reason for our success.

It's a collection of efforts and perseverance that continues to pay off.

We constantly focus on growing our network, now the world's second-largest and expanding our geographic footprint in the markets with the right demographics for our business.

We also have had great cooperation across our segments, leveraging relationships and resources from EFT and epay to aid Ria's expansion.

We paid strong attention and invest significantly into our compliance program.

And we have a team that is laser-focused on the needs of our agents and customers.

All of these efforts help us achieve the strong growth rates and capitalize on opportunities in the current market conditions.

If you break apart the Money Transfer industry, there are 3 channels in which sends are initiated: digital, large chain and independent shop.

Nowadays, there is a lot of investment and focus from the FinTech industry on digital Money Transfer, disrupting the traditional bricks-and-mortar money transfer industry.

We absolutely recognize the relevance of these discussions and the importance of having a sound digital strategy as we have invested heavily in digital over the last several years, and later I will tell you about our outstanding growth there.

However, you should understand that only about 5% of the global money transfers are initiated through the digital channels.

Then after digital, you have the large chains, which we estimate to make up about 15% to 20% of the world's remittance market.

What we see is that these chains are being served, for the most part, by only 2 providers, most often on an exclusive basis.

This exclusivity limits competition, which also potentially limits innovation for the consumer.

These chains come with very long sales cycles that provide for a small window of opportunity for market share to shift or to improve customer facing products.

As you know, we have had a great relationship with Walmart, so we fully recognize the tremendous potential that this segment offered.

And we are always looking for ways to improve our product offering for our partners and customers.

Perhaps though, the most interesting and least considered view of the remittance market involves the independent channel, which is also the hardest, yet largest channel to address.

In order to better understand the opportunity, it's important to consider that the 3 largest global money transfer companies, which includes ourselves, only make up about 25% of the family remittance market worldwide.

If we analyze their respective market share by channel, onto which they've historically focused, it starts to reveal where most of the opportunity resides and how we are very well-positioned to take advantage of it.

Ria started and grew itself to become the third-largest money transfer company in the world by winning in this independent channel.

This channel is highly fragmented, hypercompetitive and the source of most of the competitive attrition due to the level of compliance required to operate in this space.

It is in our DNA to fight for market share each and every day at every agent, and most importantly to get compliance right.

The independent channel rarely involves exclusivity, and therefore, we do not struggle with the significant financial demands of renewing agent contracts, rather we bring our agents in unparalleled value proposition, and most importantly, a fully compliant solution in the largest channel of the money transfer industry and these agents are darn smart business owners who recognize all of that.

So when you dissect the market and look at the numbers, you can clearly see that Ria is winning because we are the best suited to take advantage of this huge independent channel, which accounts for about 3 quarters of global Money Transfer.

We recognize the opportunity to grow through innovation with our strategic partners, and we continue to successfully execute and invest in the digital channel to ensure we can continue this growth into the future.

With that as the backdrop on our results, let's look at a few highlights specific to this quarter.

Our digital transaction growth grew or accelerated to 50% year-over-year as we are starting to see stronger growth out some of the countries where we recently launched our Ria online product.

And in addition, we launched a new XE Money Transfer app, which will provide an improved customer experience, and will be rolled out in 5 countries in the weeks to come.

We also have partnered with PayPal's Xoom to offer cash pickup services to Xoom customers at more than 150,000 of Ria's international network locations.

We have spent years growing our network to become the world's second largest.

We recognize the benefits of our network, our best-in-class compliance and our industry-leading technology can bring what it can bring to other payment companies.

We know that we can leverage these core assets while also continuing to execute our successful digital strategy.

We are pleased that PayPal is recognized as a strength, and we'll continue to leverage these assets if it makes sense in the future.

And like epay's Alipay alternative payment partnership, this partnership with PayPal demonstrates the value of our global assets and how they integrate into the digital world.

During the quarter, we also expanded our U.S. domestic presence by adding domestic and international send-and-payout transactions at more than 6,000 Boost dealer locations nationwide.

This deal expands on the successful relationship that we have had with Boost for years in our epay segment and is another example of the synergies that our 3 segments offer.

Finally, we continue to grow our global network, which now reaches 361,000 locations in 149 countries.

We continue to see phenomenal growth in India, the largest corridor in the world, I might add, because we experienced an eightfold growth over the same quarter last year.

This proves our point that once we establish the right payout, we immediately began building our share in that market.

So as you can see, our Money Transfer team is working hard to ensure we are growing around the world on all fronts.

We continue in full expansion mode while ensuring we maintain a best-in-class compliance problem and never take our competition for granted.

I don't think I can say it enough, this was an outstanding quarter for our Money Transfer Segment where all aspects of the business delivered very strong results.

Now let's move on to Slide #23, and we'll wrap up the quarter.

Slide 23.

We delivered an exceptional third quarter with adjusted EPS of $2.16, a 34% increase year-over-year.

The strong double-digit EFT growth reflects continued expansion of our ATM and POS networks across Europe and Asia.

And we remain on track to meet our 3,500 high-value ATM additions for the year.

We continue to have a strong outsourcing pipeline as we have had an unparalleled offering to provide to our banking partners.

The epay segment continues to grow its physical and digital nonmobile offering and is well-positioned for the seasonally strong fourth quarter.

Money Transfer delivered an exceptional third quarter with strong double-digit growth across all financial metrics while continuing to invest in its physical and digital networks.

We continue to find new and creative ways to leverage our enviable global assets.

Our balance sheet continues to strengthen from strong cash flows generated from operation.

We also entered into this new credit facility, which gives us even more flexibility to deliver on our strategic initiatives and ultimately drive additional shareholder value.

And finally, we expect fourth quarter adjusted EPS to be approximately $1.27, assuming consistent foreign exchange rates and share price.

It's also worth mentioning that this $1.27 includes approximately $0.03 of headwind from our CoCo share-related dilution given a nice appreciation in our stock price as well as about $0.01 of headwind from FX since we talked with you during our second quarter call in July.

With that, we'll be happy to take questions.

Operator, would you please assist us?

(Operator Instructions) And our first question comes from the line of Jim Schneider from Goldman Sachs.

I was maybe wondering if you could maybe start on the ATM business.

I guess a 2-part question here.

One would be, in 2019, do you feel confident that you can kind of still maintain that 10% clip of ATM additions or is it something that you could potentially accelerate heading into next year?

And then maybe could you say something about when we would expect some more potential announcements around outsourcing in Asia?

Okay.

So with the respect to our goals for next year.

We definitely would like to continue 10%-plus growth.

I wish I could do a lot more than that.

So we'll do as many as we can as long as we can find those really good sites.

And you can see by our results that those good sites have generated very healthy profit.

But we continue to grow our sales base, site selectors and new countries that we're going into.

So we definitely want to keep going next year, at least, as good as this year.

And Jim, I would add to that.

You commented on Asia outsourcing.

As we commented in our comments, we did see some expansion in the Philippines here.

So if we have a fair win to our back and we're successful at signing some of these that are in the pipeline, we will be able to hit the 10% growth rate, and then some, as we go into '19.

That's helpful.

And then maybe turning to DCC for a moment.

In terms of the market transparency and consumer choice proposals that you've heard maybe bandied about the various European regulatory authorities and industry groups, are there any of these possibilities around price transparency that might require a significant systems upgrade or might incur significant systems class associated with implementing those?

And maybe just a clarification related to DCC.

I think, Mike, you said on the Visa DCC enablement, you said a majority, I believe that the ATMs will be enabled, I would've thought it'll be -- maybe the vast majority.

So maybe you can clarify any one that you've excluded from that, please?

Okay.

So in answer to your last question, we probably use a calmer number than the reality.

I mean we'll end up with DCC on the vast majority of our ATMs, that won't be a problem.

But with respect to transparency guidelines and system changes and stuff like that, that's one of the things that we really bring to the table, as we have the most advanced ATM driving system on the planet.

Making the changes that people are requiring is pretty much a snap for us.

We can understand depending on what they require certain banks may be a lot slower, which is probably why they've got that 1- to 3-year thing in their -- at least in their discussions.

Because, I mean, we've heard a bank that changed the menus on their ATMs.

For example, they have to send a guy out with the thumb drive to each and every ATM to do so.

For us, it's all point-and-click, and we can change the menus.

We can change the product offerings and everything centrally on one or a subset or all the ATMs really simultaneously.

So for us it's going to be quite easy and virtually 0 expense.

And but I could see how some banks with their old archaic systems might have more of a challenge with it.

But that also is why we're finding more of these outsourcing opportunities.

Because these banks just keep on spending money on these archaic systems when we can do everything so much more cost effectively and time effectively as well.

And the next question comes from the line of Rayna Kumar of Evercore.

With Visa now allowing global DCC, you put out an initial earnings benefit of $0.60 to $0.65 for next year.

Is this estimate based on ATMs you currently have in place?

Or also it assumes new ATMs that you can add as a result?

Could you just walk us through the math behind it?

Rayna, it's on our existing fleet.

So to the extent that we would deploy ATMs in new jurisdictions and things like that, we -- that'll add to our future growth opportunities.

So are you seeing opportunities to add ATMs in areas across Europe, which were deemed maybe unprofitable prior Visa allowing global DCC where you can now go ahead and place new ATMs?

I think the answer to that is, perhaps but not really in Europe.

Europe is still way under ATM on Continental Europe.

And it only takes a visit to Europe to see that, that with the exception of mostly our ATMs.

You never seen an ATM in Continental Europe that isn't at the branch of a bank.

And they're closing branches left and right.

I think I read an article that in Spain alone over the last 6 years, they've closed 40% of their branches.

And with them went 40% of the ATMs.

So we do see a lot of opportunity in Europe.

The international ability -- the ability to acquire international transactions from -- and do DCC with them from Visa will allow us to expand into other markets as well outside of just the EU and India.

That's very helpful.

With the new credit facility agreement in place, can you increase your share repurchase authorization?

And if so, can we expect you to be more aggressive in share repurchases going forward?

Okay.

With respect to the first question, it's a bit of a mechanical thing.

We've had the authorization to repurchase up to $250 million worth of shares.

But we haven't had the ability within our old credit agreement to do so.

With the -- so the board has given us authorization.

We just haven't been able to execute up on that because we didn't want to break one of the covenants of our financing agreements.

Now for new financing agreement, obviously, we don't have that limitation so we are kind of -- we are able to do so.

But without -- but with respect to intensifying that share buybacks.

I mean what we've done time and time again is we take advantages of market dislocations and weirdness in the market and we bought back shares.

And so were -- we've been very opportunistic, we don't have a plan to do x amount of ATM -- I mean of share repurchases in a given year.

But we just stand there ready to jump on opportunities as they present themselves to us.

Great.

And just one final question for me.

How much of your Money Transfer top line growth would you say came from share gains from MoneyGram given their more stringent compliant systems in place?

Well, again, let's not forget the -- we are like 3.5% of the world, okay?

And MoneyGram is like 5% of the world.

And you got Western Union, roughly 17%.

I mean when you look at our gains, we took them from everybody.

And so I think that's what's happening.

And I think there is a lot of time immigrants in various countries, they believe they are better served through the independent channel than even through the large channel.

And so we kind of look at it as there is more than 75% of the market is out there even without those guys.

I imagine we are taking market share from them and Western Union and everybody.

Because when you have a market that's growing, I'll call it, 4% maybe top.

And we're growing 4, 5x -- 4x as fast as that.

We've got to be taking market share from everybody.

And our next question comes from the line of Andrew Jeffrey from SunTrust.

Lots of good stuff to talk about here.

Mike, you highlighted pretty enthusiastically the performance of your Money Transfer business, specialty growth and the agent network and in India perhaps in particular.

Can you elaborate a little bit?

When you talk about that, that eightfold growth increases, that -- I assume that's inbound sort of from all over the world.

And I wonder if as you continue to breakdown exclusivity in the market like that, perhaps you reach a tipping point at which your share gains accelerate.

Is that a dynamic you start to think about over time?

Well, obviously, if we're growing our transactions paid out in India 8x then we're increasing our share gains.

But I think that the trick here is in every single market, you just have to have a really good payout.

We started 11 years ago when Ria became part of Euronet with primarily a LatAm focus for payout.

We've grown that focus now to all these countries around the world, hundreds of countries around the world.

And that just helps us attract more and more immigrant transactions from all these different diverse immigrant groups.

So that's the key.

Just keep doing more of that and that will grow our market share gains.

Okay.

So you wouldn't necessarily think about a second derivative acceleration where the...

Well, I mean that -- actually, okay, if you want to get to calculus, yes I can believe in the second derivative.

And the reason you might see that is because once you get in all these markets is when you kind of get a momentum going then there's a lot of word-of-mouth between the immigrants and their immigrant community.

And yes, you do a lot of time see that acceleration or as you call it your second derivative.

So I can kind of buy that, but I can't promise when exactly that'll happen.

But certainly, with that second largest market in the world.

And it's not -- it still is not one of our you hugest market.

We've got a lot of growth to do.

And I can't wait for your second derivative.

Well, calculus is never my strong suit but it's off a good game, I guess.

Well, and Andrew if you look at our business, when we acquired Ria here as Mike said 11 years ago, we did about $200 million a year on revenue and this year we do $1 billion a year in revenue.

And so, as we continue to add to that network which was $40-some thousand when we acquired it now, $360-some thousand.

What we -- every year seeing a bit of that second derivative in our math.

We also have to think that every time we add a payout location it is essentially tantamount to adding another product in to the network because that is another location that we can get to another receiving customer so that when someone wants to send there is a -- essentially a product or a receiving payout area there for that customer.

So our history has demonstrated that as we've had this consistent and dedicated focus that Mike commented on by the money transfer team, we have consistently seen that that has delivered the growth in transactions.

So it may be at some point we'll go beyond 17% or 18% growth there which will be a nice number to see.

But it certainly is nice to see 17% and 18% numbers.

And we're seeing that, remember on top, of the fact that we're doing 5x of volume we did 11 years ago.

So even with the law of large numbers working against us, we continue to get these huge gains in transaction and it's because of that network effect.

Remember when we added new country to payout, that means all of our pay-in agents, all of our transaction acquiring channels whether it's digital or bricks-and-mortar can now access that payout location so you get this immediate network effect and it is multiplicative.

So it's not just India but it's kind of like all over the place.

We've got that and that's why I think we can keep posting these good results year after year after year even though our number gets bigger.

Got it.

Okay, that's helpful.

And there is a quick one on top of that.

Can you just give us an update on surcharge in Europe?

And whether that can be a driver at any point in the sort of the...

Yes.

Sure.

And surcharge continues to be a nice additive thing because remember 5, 6 years ago, there was kind of or 8 years ago, there's nobody in Continental Europe with surcharge.

And then Germany added it about that time.

And then 2.5, 3 years ago, was when Spain added it.

And then about a year and a half ago Austria added it.

And now we are looking at multiple other countries, I think, considering it.

On top of that we have the direct access fee, which is essentially a surcharge on international transactions.

So I think surcharge is kind of making its way.

It's growing.

It's kind of like every country that falls is another domino.

And we are doing that in every country that we possibly can.

The fact that underlying economic fact is of the big banks in Europe, and none of these banks are really in great financial shape.

The big banks in Europe have this huge expense with all these bricks-and-mortar.

And it doesn't make any sense for them at all for them to offer their ATMs at domestic interchange in most all these markets because that's less than what it cost them to produce that transaction.

So they're, in essence, subsidizing their competitors, which make no sense at all.

It's just a matter of them kind of getting the guts to say, by gosh, I'm going to surcharge anybody who's not my customer.

And as more and more banks are starting to do that, more and more countries they are falling in line doing that, we could see that all across Europe would just like we've seen it in the 5 English-speaking countries in the world.

And our next question comes from the line of Mike Grondahl from Northland Securities.

First question, the outsourcing pipeline.

Is that still roughly 2,000 to 4,000 ATMs?

And kind of what's the thought on maybe timing or winning those?

The answer is, yes, it is.

It's in that 2,000 to 4,000 range.

We -- as we said in the text before, in my comments before, we're looking at the next 6 to 12 months.

We could see some of these things fall in.

And we are out there in the thick of it negotiating as we speak.

Outsourcing agreements with banks are never easy.

Because remember, they used to do it internally.

And that's their just wired to do it internally even though it makes no financial sense.

So you've got to get these guys the kind of change their way of thinking and then make them feel comfortable that you can give them the service that they get internally.

And when the reality is we can give them better service than they can get internally.

And what's really exciting is to see the banks reactions to the type of technology that we can bring to bear for them that they simply haven't had.

And it even goes beyond the technology.

It's how our processes work anywhere from serving the - servicing the ATM to balancing and reconciling the cash of the ATM.

So we're cautiously optimistic that we'll see continued momentum in this area.

Got it.

And then your ATM revenue constant currency grew 18% year-over-year.

DCC revenue obviously is a subset of that.

Is that growing in line with that 18% or greater than that 18%?

I would say it's largely in line with that.

As we said, we've got a mix of product that as -- that comes off of our ATMs.

And we didn't put in here as well things like deposits, okay?

We got several thousand recycler or depository ATMs in our business.

We're getting revenue off of those deposits and agreements that we have with banks.

So it wasn't disproportionate.

So I'd say, generally in line.

And our next question comes from the line of Andrew Schmidt from Citi.

A quick question on the DCC rule change.

Maybe following up on some of the prior questions.

Could you talk a little bit, maybe conceptualize, how the addressable market for ATM installations changes over the longer term as a result of that?

And then just a follow-up on that, is this something that can help you accelerate ATM installations over the next couple of years or at least more in the near term as well?

We hope so.

I think in Europe, we're pretty well got it covered.

We understand the game plan.

It doesn't particularly accelerate us in Europe per se, but it could in other markets around the world.

So I think that's what it does.

Europe remember has always had the Visa DCC on European issued and acquired cards.

So we kind of have that game already under our belt.

We know what to do with that.

We know how to find good sites in Europe.

It's just that now we're able to these cards, Visa cards have been issued outside of Europe.

We now have access to them for a potential DCC transaction in other markets as well.

Got it.

And then maybe just a follow up on the outsourcing pipeline.

That clearly stepped up over the last couple of years.

What's changed?

Is it more company specific in terms of your capabilities thinking about just your software capabilities?

Or is it a combination of both?

Yes.

I think that's what it is.

The system that we have now that we've deployed across Europe we have been using for 3 or 4 years.

Like I said is so technically advanced.

And it lends itself both to the IT department to do what they've got to do kind of technically but also to the marketing department.

We can do CRM at the ATMs based on card numbers or groups of card numbers.

We can do advertising.

We can change screens.

We can do all this.

We can give flexibility for this very expensive distribution channel to a bank a lot better than they can do with any of the systems that are available today.

So these banks are kind of tired of up putting up with overspending on archaic systems that certainly are in today's technology realm.

So we get all those added together, plus at the end of the day we can save money.

And I would add to that, that over the last few years, the banks have been largely recovering from the financial dislocation of the number of years ago.

And Europe maybe more so than other parts because there was a lot of sovereign debt, the Basel III requirements kicked in.

Banks were really focused on their, in some cases, simply their survivability, their capital structure.

And over that year, those years, they didn't make any investment in their customer delivery platforms or their ATMs.

And as Mike said, over that time, we were really innovating on our platform.

And so now they're sitting here, their kind of coming out of their -- let's call it their capital issues, and they're back to thinking about how they serve their customers.

They realize they've got old archaic technology.

They're starting to see a change in the landscape of alternative payments, QR code kind of things.

Their technology simply can't handle those.

And today, like we said for Alipay, we are processing those transactions whether it's through POS terminals or it's through our ATMs.

So I think we happen to be in a period where the banks are emerging from a time period of no investment, no intention.

And they're saying that we really have a superior product to offer them.

And Kevin is next to me and just reminded me.

A lot of it's fear.

It really comes down to what Rick said is that these alternative payments, wallets, et cetera, that are now becoming pervasive around the world are scaring these banks into being forced to have more modern systems and more modern products.

And so that's what our system allows them to do.

It allows them to be competitive with all these new wallets and so forth.

So we've got a combination of maybe a little bit better finances.

They're sitting on archaic systems.

On archaic ATMs.

And they're afraid of competitors.

So it's kind of a perfect storm in our -- to our benefit.

Got it.

That's helpful.

And then just last question.

On the DCC regulations in the EU, I guess it's fair to say that we'll get clarity on what the transparency guidelines will look like in November.

Any early indication in terms of just what those could look like or could represent when the consumer makes his transaction at the ATM?

There's been a lot of stuff discussed.

We really don't know.

And then let's not forget when the parliament comes up with its view on life then the 3 groups all have to get together and come up with their view on life through this dry long process.

So it could be towards this very end of the year before we really have an idea of what's going on there.

And depending on how efficiently they go through their trilogue process.

And there's no particular stated time lines.

Who knows whether it spills into next year.

But I think -- I don't think that you will see the clarity quite as quick as like this November 5th date that we talked about.

Because as Mike said, that's just the third guy putting their proposal on the table that then have to be compromised.

And all 3 of them.

Yes, so it's then after that it's all 3 of them in a cage fight.

And our next question comes from the line of Jason Deleeuw with Piper Jaffray.

Thanks for all the color on the independent channel and the strategy there.

I was wondering with those independent channel agents, what is Ria's share with those agents?

My senses are mostly not exclusive, but maybe that's not the case.

So if you could just talk about the kind of the exclusivity situation there?

And then what's the share that you have in -- are you growing share and taking share with these agents?

Okay.

So I don't know what our "share" is.

I mean if you look at it, if that's 75% of the world and we only have 3.5% of the world, we can't have a large share of it.

But we are by far the largest player in this because we are kind of a combination of small company aggressiveness combined with all of these places we can payout.

So we look like a big company with respect to our product portfolio.

And discount is virtually all nonexclusive.

So as I mentioned before, we are hammering it out every day in this channel.

It's highly competitive.

We don't mind that because we got the best product offering and we continue to grow.

And it's also the market where the compliance folks are squeezing down on it.

The banks are squeezing down because they don't like to have MSBs that aren't very compliant.

So it's forcing a lot of these little guys out of the equation.

And then we pick up market share that way too because we have a world-class and by far the best compliance out there of anybody.

So it's a long way to go.

If you say if there's 75% outside of me and I've got 3% or 4% I could grow at 25x, if I had at all.

Yes.

Great.

And that's kind of what I was trying to get a sense for all that.

And then when you look at the different corridors by geography with the independent channel orders, any corridors that standout as having the greatest opportunities for Ria?

No.

I mean, again...

Outside the U.S. I mean the U.S. has always been the most the competitive independent channel out there.

You'll see a lot of brand names if you go out into the more common communities that you'll see money transfer services.

And that's also the home turf of bigger money transfer players in the world.

As we saw when we acquired Ria years ago, they had only kind of started to get into the international markets.

So they had established a foothold in there.

You put that together with what we did.

We really took it, took the opportunity and expanded there.

And just like with this India expansion here.

India is the largest corridor in the world.

All of their transactions don't come from the United States.

In fact, most of their transactions come from places outside of the United States.

So those -- that non-United States footprint that we have really gives us the ability to take advantage.

So I would -- I think in answering your question, I would say the non-U.

S. would be a little stronger foothold opportunity for us.

And our European-based international team and our Malaysian-based international team really kicked in really nicely this quarter too.

I mean we did -- actually we did great in the U.S. The numbers we had in Money Transfer were pretty phenomenal.

And it was because every single component of Money Transfer really hit the cover off the ball.

And our next question comes from the line of Mayank Tandon from Needham & Company.

Mike, I'll keep it pretty quick.

Just on the Money Transfer side, could you comment a little bit more on the Xoom relationship.

Just want to understand what the economics are and how does that impact your business specifically?

Well, the economics are we get paid kind of per transaction for any of the transactions that we payout for them.

And how this has evolved is, the digital Money Transfer business of PayPal and Xoom they need to have a worldwide network of payout.

They want to be very competitive in the world.

And so we could allow them to do that because we've got the second-best payout network in the world.

So that's kind of how it works.

It's kind of a win-win for both of us.

And that's -- so we're happy to do that.

I mean and let's not forget too, we've have a historical relationship with PayPal.

Kevin and his epay division have nailed several deals with PayPal for epay products, both mobile phone top-up, iTunes, Google Play, that kind of stuff.

I think we are in 7 countries or something like that.

So we're able to go account-to-cash where they originally couldn't do that, where most of the digital players in the world they're just a counter account.

We kind of allow them do account-to-cash as well.

So it strengthens their operating, provides some money for us, gives us a little payback on all that we've invested in.

And it's just one more good strong relationship we've got with the company.

Great.

If I can just squeeze one more in around the Money Transfer side.

Just in terms of pricing pressure.

Obviously, that's industry-wide.

If you could just comment specifically, Mike, on what trends you're seeing on the pricing front given your mix of corridors and segments?

And then how does that sort of play into the revenue profile over time?

I'll let Rick answer that because he's got all the numbers in his head.

Well, I wish I had them all, but at least on this one I have this one and that is we, in our year-over-year numbers, we actually saw a little lift in our -- in both our revenue per transaction and our margins per transaction.

And I would say the same thing we've said in the past.

There's always pockets around the world that we will see more or less pricing competition.

And it's always our -- and we always expect that there's going to be more pricing competition.

Because just as Mike said in his summary comments on the independent channel, it's the most fiercely competitive channel that's out there.

So we're out there really working it very hard every day of the year.

And our challenge then is always to try to find those other corridors that we can get a little bit of pricing per transaction, that we really leverage the asset, the payout infrastructure, the negotiations on the cost side of the payout.

But we were fortunate to see that year-over-year we saw a little bit lift in it.

And so no real impacts hitting our business that we see in there on price.

But I don't want to make anybody believe that there isn't price competition out there.

All right, operator, I think we can conclude the call.

Thank you everybody for joining us today, and we'll see you in about a quarter.

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