DoubleVerify Holdings Inc (DV) 2024 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Greetings and welcome to the DoubleVerify third-quarter 2024 financial results conference call.

(Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

It is now my pleasure to introduce Tejal Engman of Investor Relations.

Thank you.

You may begin.

Good afternoon and welcome to DoubleVerify's third-quarter 2024 earnings conference call.

With us today are Mark Zagorski, CEO; and Nicola Allais, CFO.

Today's press release in this call may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to inherent risks uncertainties and changes and reflect our current expectations and information currently available to us and our actual results could differ materially.

For more information, please refer to the risk factors in our recent SEC filings including our Form 10-Q and the annual report on Form 10-K.

In addition, our discussion today will include references to certain supplemental non-GAAP financial measures and should be considered in addition to and not substitute for our GAAP results.

Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures are available in today's earnings release, which is available on our investor relations website at ir.doubleverify.com. Also during the call today, we'll be referring to the slide deck posted on our website.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Mark.

Thanks Tejal and thank you all for joining us today.

In the third quarter, we drove robust expansion, scaling our solutions across a wide range of social, CTV and retail media platforms.

Alongside recording our largest ever global market share wins in a single quarter.

Our solid execution this quarter sets the foundation for DV's long term growth while momentum in our core business continues to build.

In the third quarter, we grew revenue by 18% up from 17% in Q2 with double digit growth across all three revenue lines, activation, measurement and supply side.

We achieved a standout 83% gross margin and a 35% adjusted EBITDA margin with the latter marking our highest profitability for any Q3 on record.

And we grew our net cash flows from operating activities by over 50% to $55 million in the third quarter, underscoring the strength and efficiency of our operations.

We continue to show robust growth and are exceptionally profitable all while setting the stage for a stronger market share position in the years ahead.

We've driven strong revenue growth despite facing several headwinds this year.

To recap, six large customers scaled back on ad spend that had our most premium products attached to it.

In addition, we saw ad dollars incrementally shift from open exchange programmatic to walled gardens, where our activation solutions aren't yet available.

And although we have positive momentum around the launching a number of social activation tools in 2025, notably across Meta's newsfeed, the timing of when pre-bid social solutions were launched to connect with our measurement solutions has created a near term impact on overall social growth expectations.

Additionally, the industry has seen brand spending soften ahead of the election as political dollars crowd out ad spend and there is uncertainty around how quickly the traditional ad spending rebounds after the election.

We've tackled these challenges head on.

We've zeroed in on signing and scaling major new advertiser wins like Pepsi, Haleon, Uber and General Motors.

We upsold Scibids AI to nearly 50 DV customers and expanded this powerful differentiator in entirely new channels like social.

We drove the adoption of our core solutions across fast growing environments such as retail media and CTV and fueled diversified growth across all three revenue lines.

Simply put, we adapted and are continuing to do so.

We're staying laser focused on market dynamics to proactively position DV for future growth opportunities building for where the market is headed, not just where it is today.

When Oracle announced the shutdown of Moat and Grapeshot by September 30t, this year, we seized the opportunity.

Our team mobilized and we locked in key wins with industry giants like P&G and Google alongside category leaders such as Blackrock, Charter Communications, Inspire Brands, Kellogg, and Dish Network.

Ultimately winning 70% of the RFPs we pursued from former Moat advertisers over the second, third and fourth quarters to date.

In addition to advertisers, we also won critical platform and publisher deals, positioning DV's tech to become essential across the entire ad ecosystem and generating significant new and recurring revenue from our supply side business.

We secured strategic partnerships with platforms including Criteo, The Trade Desk, Magnite and Pubmatic alongside top tier publishers including Activision, Blizzard, Telegraph, Euronews, The Economists and The New York Times.

These partnerships along with numerous other key wins this quarter such as significant wins from non-Oracle competitors including Microsoft and a leading consumer health brand serve as explicit endorsements of our leadership and innovation positioning DV as the industry gold standard and the essential currency across its most influential players.

Our overall Q3 win rate remained above 80% with 38% of wins being competitive steals and 62% being greenfield wins.

For each of these leading brands platforms and publishers selecting DV wasn't just about filling a GAAP; it was about setting a new standard.

DV wins because we don't just sell products.

We are trusted to solve real challenges.

Our powerful combination of measurement, activation and optimization power by Scibids AI is breaking new ground and media effectiveness and aligns perfectly with where the performance driven advertisers are headed.

Our innovation leadership, strengthens social activation from YouTube pre-bid to the upcoming Meta solutions and our programmatic expertise are all reasons why the ecosystem chooses DV.

And as the trusted partner delivering results at scale and fuel future success, our recent slate of wins will only strengthen DV's leadership across the Board.

In the third quarter, we accelerated growth in ABS and Activation through new customer ramp ups and strategic upsells to our existing customers.

In addition, we expanded our measurement and activation solutions across social, CTV and retail media platforms strategically closing gaps where platforms were ready for our technology.

Let's dive into the progress we've made across all these key media environments, social, CTV, Retail Media Networks and The Open Web.

Beginning with social, we grew our social measurement revenue by 21% year over year in Q3.

Since launching our brand safety and suitability measurement solution on Meta earlier this year, we've achieved significant traction onboarding approximately 60 new advertisers including 9, top 100 advertisers who had not previously activated DV on Meta, which is a promising start.

However, we have much more room to grow.

While suitability scores offer a valuable benchmark across platform, the true power of measurement data lies in its ability to drive smarter more strategic decisions before a campaign even launches.

As I noted previously, advertisers are looking for pre-bid activation solutions on social platforms to unlock the full potential of their measurement data and drive maximum performance and that's precisely where we're headed.

I'm excited to announce the early 2025 launch of our content level pre-bid avoidance on Meta Feeds and Reels.

This will better empower advertisers to prevent ads from appearing alongside unsuitable content in real time.

In addition, it integrates with DV's pre-bid controls with our post bid measurement tools delivering a seamless closed loop solution that optimizes media performance.

With pre-bid avoidance, advertisers gain unparalleled control over where their ads appear, safeguarding brand integrity and driving better media outcomes across dynamic social media platforms such as Facebook and Instagram.

We've also introduced a new video exclusion list solution on TikTok, allowing advertisers to tailor exclusions based on vertical sensitivity and specific brand needs.

We expect this activation solution to be available to all advertisers by the first half of 2025.

On social measurement, we've expanded our post-bid brand suitability measurement on Meta and TikTok by adding and reporting on inflammatory politics and news.

Powered by our DV Universal Content Intelligence, this enhancement addresses unreliable or unsubstantiated information, deepfakes and inflammatory political rhetoric.

Additionally, we've expanded brand safety and suitability measurement on Meta to include five new languages, increasing our coverage to over 100 countries.

We also have continued to expand our measurement coverage on TikTok now supporting profile following and Search Feeds as well as TikTok Lite, alongside existing coverage on the For You Page and expanded language coverage to Arabic and Tagalog speaking markets.

Building on the momentum from our successful launch of brand safety and suitability solutions on Reddit and Pinterest last quarter, we've announced expanding our brand safety and suitability measurement to Snap, further strengthening our presence across all major social platforms.

Our independent social measurement solutions ensure that campaigns are brand safe, viewable and fraud free with comprehensive safety and suitability coverage now available across the entire social media landscape.

We're thrilled to announce the expansion of our viewability and fraud measurement solutions to Linkedln's own and operated video inventory, now available across all markets.

The expansion of double verified solutions on LinkedIn provides advertisers with enhanced capabilities and unique insights.

This expanded collaboration validates our leadership in media quality and reinforces our commitment to ensuring advertisers can trust the integrity of their campaigns.

Gaming, audio and retail media were also expansions for DV, as we announced a partnership with Roblox to build 3D inexperienced availability and invalid traffic measurement, an integration that will cover immersive ads across both image and video formats and we extended our viewability and fraud measurement solutions to Spotify's video campaigns through Spotify Ads manager, as well as Instacarts, display and shoppable display ads.

Speaking of retail media networks, our supply side retail media solution grew nearly 40% year over year contributing to our overall supply side growth rate of 30% year of the year.

Led by our partnerships with leading retail media platforms our global reach and connectivity and retail media continues to expand.

DV's measurement tags are now accepted on 112 key global retail media networks and sites including 15 of the top retail media platforms and 97 major retailers.

Shifting the CTV, we grew our Q3 CTV measurement volumes by nearly 60% year over year driven by YouTube CTV, Amazon and Roku.

DV's growth potential in CTV is massive because fraud and transparency remain critical challenges for advertisers.

Fraud in particular is a growing challenge.

The number of CTV fraud schemes and variants searched 58% last year and have nearly quadrupled since 2020.

We are protecting CTV ad spend and ensuring the verified CTV platforms are not ensnared in fraud schemes that attract direct deals.

On the transparency front, many CTV impressions especially from OTT suppliers lack app level data compared to the clear visibility in linear TV and other digital platforms, the contrast is striking.

And just like with fraud, direct CTV buyers aren't immune to suitability risks.

Many publishers use extension networks pushing campaigns beyond their own inventory and into open marketplaces with minimal protections.

While this may help scale or reduce costs, it often results in ads being placed in unsafe or inappropriate content.

We're expanding our fraud and viewability measurement across CTV buys including Netflix programmatic channels providing transparency across all of their buying platforms globally.

In addition, we are pioneering content level transparency on a major CTV platform where our direct CTV impressions grew 90% year over year in Q3 driven by robust demand for our upcoming differentiated solution.

Finally looking at the open web, we're seeing growth across all our activation solutions including ABS.

We believe that the future of open web programmatic will be shaped by customers seeking to optimize both protection and performance.

Like one of our leading CPG brands, which recently leveraged DV's fraud and viewability solutions in combination with Scibids to double its unique reach and improve its qCPM, its proxy for return on ad spent by 52%.

As of today, 15 of DV's TOP100 customers are already leveraging Scibids and since the acquisition, we've successfully upsold Scibids to nearly 50 DV customers.

With this strong momentum, we're on pace to deliver $100 million in revenue from Scibids by 2028.

Turning to open web measurement DV's authentic attention increased measurement impressions by approximately 300% year over year in the third quarter.

With more than 300 advertisers using DV's authentic attention so far this year.

Across all media environments including the open web, advertisers are focused on reaching the right audiences to drive performance and news platforms consistently attract those valuable engaged audiences.

We're committing to building solutions that offer both full brand protection and strong ROI, enabling advertisers to leverage the unique strength of news environments confidently and effectively.

In October, we launched the DoubleVerify News Accelerator, the industry's only broad scale effort to address the growing need for advertisers to connect with engaged news audiences while avoiding brand suitability risk tied to unpredictable content.

As part of the initiative, we've launched the new contextual news products, built the sector's most advanced suitability and sentiment controls and created enhanced analytics tools to enable advertisers to optimize settings to ensure they can invest in brand suitable news.

DV's News Accelerator is a true commitment to supporting a vibrant open web that empowers brands to reach relevant audiences effectively in an ever evolving news landscape.

Before I close, let's take a moment to look ahead at DV's future.

Over the last few years, we've been evolving DV from a company known for protection to one that drives both protection and performance.

A shift reflected in our focus on delivering new performance solutions like DV Authentic Attention and Scibids AI.

These innovations highlight our commitment to build solutions that go beyond verification alone, empowering advertisers with tools and data that deliver quality results.

We believe we're uniquely positioned to help advertisers both protect and perform and we aim to unlock even greater value for our customers as we expand our performance solutions in the coming quarters.

This year, the industry shift towards outcome driven platforms, especially those in social media has accelerated the demand for performance based solutions make no mistake.

Real performance starts with protection without it ad spend is wasted on fraudulent nonviable impressions or placements that don't align with brand objectives.

DV is uniquely positioned to integrate protection and media quality requirements with performance and media efficacy objectives, creating powerful solutions that today's advertisers demand.

While this transition may have a near term impact on core growth as we unify protection with performance on social media, our innovative solutions including DV Authentic Attention and Scibids AI continue to gain momentum to support long term growth.

We're at the forefront of delivering both media quality and measurable impact setting the stage for DV's continued growth and leadership in an outcomes focused future.

DV's focus remains on solving the most pressing brand protection and performance challenges in the digital ad ecosystem, whether it's leading in social activation with innovations like Meta's pre avoidance and TikTok's video exclusion list or attacking fraud and transparency issues in CTV, DV is setting the standard for the future of digital advertising.

Our core value proposition resonates with the largest advertisers on the planet and they've entrusted us with ensuring their ad spend delivers quality results.

Our proven ability to take on the industry's biggest issues with the industry's biggest marketers makes DV a compelling long term growth business that is well positioned to drive sustained shareholder value for years to come.

With that, let me turn the call over to Nicola.

Thank you, Mark and good afternoon everyone.

Our third-quarter results reflect sustained momentum marked by strong revenue growth, solid profitability and robust cash flow from operations.

We delivered double digit growth across all three revenue lines, activation, measurement and supply side underscoring the strength of DV's value proposition to advertisers, platforms and publishers.

In the third quarter, we delivered total revenue of approximately $170 million reflecting an 18% year-over-year increase up from 17% revenue growth in Q2.

Year-to-date revenues through the third quarter grew 16%.

Our slowest starting group of retail and CPG advertisers performed in line with our expectations in the third quarter and our outlook for this cohort remains stable and unchanged.

Advertiser revenue grew 17% in the third quarter driven by increased volume.

Media transactions measured or MTMs rose 22% year over year while measured transaction fees or MTFs declined 4% year over year driven by product and geographic mix.

Looking ahead, we expect MTF to reflect the continued impact of a greater shift towards measurement and international impressions as we expand globally, as well as the near term impact of major new global brand wins in particular Oracle accounts which were initially closed at competitive rates.

Activation revenue grew 18% compared to the prior year.

All four activation solution groupings ABS, Core Programmatic, Social Activation, and Scibids contributed to third quarter growth.

ABS which accounted for 53% of activation revenue grew 14% year over year driven by new logo activations, upsells to existing customers and expanded usage among current users.

Moreover, 68% over a TOP500 customers have now activated ABS in Q3, up from 65% in Q2 demonstrating the continued adoption of this premium product.

Core programmatic solutions Core Programmatic, Scibids AI and social activation solutions also delivered solid year-over-year games.

Turning to measurement revenue grew 14% primarily driven by a 21% increase in social measurement revenue which accounted for 48% of total measurement revenue in the third quarter.

International measurement revenue rose 16% driven by new and existing customers expanding across social CTV and the open web.

Overall international revenue accounted for 29% of total measurement revenue in the third quarter.

Finally supply side revenue grew 30% in the third quarter driven by growth on existing platforms, particularly retail media platforms such as Amazon and new platform partnerships with limited revenue contribution in the quarter from the recently won Oracle platform and publisher partnerships.

Moving to expenses cost of revenue grew 11% primarily due to growth in activation revenue which increased partner costs from revenue sharing arrangements.

These were partially offset by cost savings from continued improvement in inefficiency in video classification.

In Q3, we achieved an 83% margin on revenue less cost of sales.

In Q4, we expect to sustain this margin towards the higher end of our projected 80% to 82% range.

Research and development expenses increased, driven by ongoing investments in AI and machine learning engineering talent, a direct investment in DV's future growth and innovation.

Sales and marketing expenses increase driven by continued investments in technical programmatic analysts to support new product launches such as Scibids.

G&A expenses were in line sequentially and compared to the prior year as we effectively leveraged our growing scale.

Adjusted EBITDA of $60 million in the third quarter represented a 35% margin and was ahead of expectations due to higher efficiency in cost of revenue and lower operating expenses.

We delivered net cash from operation of approximately $55 million in the quarter, up from $36 million in Q3 2023, primarily due to solid cash collections.

Capital expenditures were approximately $6 million in the quarter as compared to approximately $5 million in Q3 2023.

In the third quarter, we repurchased 1.3 million shares of DV common stock for $25 million.

This follows a repurchase of 1.4 million shares for $25 million in the second quarter.

After the third quarter ended, we repurchased an additional 1.5 million shares for $25 million, bringing total repurchases to 4.1 million shares for $75 million through November 6.

As of November 6, $75 million is available and authorized under the initial repurchase program.

Today, we're announcing a new $200 million authorization for further share repurchases providing a total of $275 million currently authorized and available for share repurchases.

Our share repurchase program demonstrates our confidence in DV's long term growth prospects.

Our strategic approach to further share repurchases considers economic cost, general business and market conditions and other capital priorities including investing in our core business for sustained long-term growth and pursuing acquisitions that accelerate our product road map and market expansion.

In the first nine months of '24, we delivered net cash from operations of approximately $122 million compared to approximately $68 million in the same period in the prior year.

Capital expenditures were approximately $20 million compared to approximately $12 million in the first nine months of '23.

We ended the third quarter with approximately $363 million in cash and short term investments.

Finally, in August, we secured a new $200 million senior secured revolving credit facility with a five-year term replacing the previous facility.

Now turning to guidance, we are updating our Q4 outlook to reflect a few key market dynamics this quarter.

First brand spending has softened in the lead up to the elections as political dollars have crowded out traditional ad spend.

For the remainder of this quarter, there is uncertainty around how quickly brand spending rebounds after the elections.

Additionally, while the adoption of our measurement solutions on Metas platforms is progressing.

It is ramping at a more gradual pace than we anticipated with some advertisers now awaiting the rollout of our pre-bid capabilities to adopt both measurement and activation.

As a result, we expect fourth quarter revenue to range between $194 million and $200 million representing a 14% revenue growth at the midpoint.

We expect fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA to range between $73 million and $79 million, reflecting a 39% margin at the midpoint and demonstrating the strong operating leverage of our business despite some revenue friction in the quarter.

For the fourth quarter, we expect stock based compensation to range between $22 million and $25 million and weighted average diluted shares outstanding to range between 169 million and 173 million shares.

For full-year 2024, we expect revenue to range between $660 million and $666 million, which represents a 16% year-over-year growth at the mid-point.

We expected adjusted bit to range between $218 million and $224 million, which presents a 33% margin at the midpoint up from the previous 31% margin.

While we're not providing guidance for 2025 today, we're navigating several dynamics that will shape our outlook for the year ahead.

The anticipated launch of our pre-bid social solutions in the first half of next year is a key development that we expect will drive increased adoption of social measurement and activation on Meta.

Until the adoption of this new solution ramps, we expect moderate social measurement revenue growth especially given the strong 47% growth rate we achieved in the first half of '24.

Additionally, with this year's performance from the core of six retail and CPG's advertisers meeting our lower expectations, we anticipate limited year-over-year growth from this group which is likely to weigh on our total 2025 growth rate.

Finally, Oracle exit was a unique opportunity to secure major enterprise clients like P&G and Google for the long term.

While we won these clients from the strength of our solutions and technology, we also had to remain competitive on price.

As a result, the full revenue impact of these opportunities will materialize over a longer period of time, typically between one to three years of onboarding through our ability to upsell our social and activation solutions.

The digital ad ecosystem continues to evolve and we're evolving too.

We're building new partnerships in high growth sectors where ad dollars are shifting and we're expanding our solution from protection to a combined focus on protection and performance.

During this transition period, we expect to maintain a double digit revenue growth rate with next year serving as a pivotal stage in our business as we continue to strategically invest in areas to re-accelerate DV's long-term growth.

To conclude, we delivered solid third quarter and year-to-date revenue growth and profitability and have made significant progress across our business.

DV's financial profile is both compelling and resilient.

DV is highly profitable, maintaining gross margins above 80% and adjusted EBITDA margins above 30%.

We continue to generate significant cash with $122 million in net operating cash generated in the first nine months of '24.

And our balance sheet is in excellent shape with $363 million in cash and short term investments and zero long-term debt.

And with that, we will open the line for questions.

Operator, please go ahead.

Thank you.

We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session.

Youssef Squali, Truist Securities.

Great.

Thank you guys for taking the questions.

I have two.

So can you maybe expand a little more on the more gradual ramp in measurement and in Q3 and Q4.

I think in your prepared remarks, Nicola, I think you said within measurement social was up 21% international was up 16%.

Overall measurement is up 14%.

So something did not grow as nearly as you guys had expected.

So maybe you can flesh that out a little bit for us and then related to that and to the upcoming pre avoidance products for Meta.

Can you share any additional insight that you guys have in terms of maybe timing for testing?

I know your competitor is already I think scheduled to be testing it by the end of the year.

Especially that you said that kind of the prospects for 2025 will be dependent on how quickly you guys can roll that out.

So any visibility do you guys have that you can help us or you can share on that topic?

Thank you.

Yeah, Youssef, I'll take the first one around the gradual measurement -- the more gradual growth in measurement.

So, and this is through Q3, right?

Your question is through Q3.

So the number that you quoted yourself is 21% growth in social as opposed to what we saw in the first half of the year, which was 47%.

So there is a more gradual growth of the social measurement line.

We said all along through the year, we were being cautious on the ramp and adoption of our product on Meta with the brand safety tool now being available.

And that is what we've seen already starting in Q3.

We're still very excited about the opportunity.

The testing are still ongoing.

And we actually, we saw more of our TOP100 signing up for the product, but there is a more gradual sign up for the product.

And in part is related to a little bit of the second part of your question, which is the launch of the pre-screen tool on Meta is giving the advertisers a view of what measurement plus activation would look like.

And while they're still testing, they now know that product is coming in the first half of next year.

So there is a bit more of a gradual ramp as we wait for that second leg of that tool.

Yeah and just to add so on timing for the pre-screen solution.

So what we're looking at now is some time in Q1 to launch the at least the alpha launch of that pre-screen solution on Meta.

As Nicola noted, the interesting here, the give and take is that, advertisers now who were interested in really kind of digging into the measurement side have said, hey, let's wait till we can activate this data until we really get rolling.

So, the pre-screen opportunity came a bit earlier than we expected, which is great, but it did impact a bit of uptake on the measurement side.

But net, we're looking at a pre-screen alpha or initial rollout in sometime in Q1 of next year.

Thank you both.

Of course.

Raimo Lenschow, Barclays.

Hi, this is Frank on for Raimo.

Thanks for taking the question.

I want to see if we could get more detail on the opportunity with Oracle exiting the market.

Are there any products or customer cohorts that have trended better or worse than expected?

Yeah, it's a great question, Frank.

So we, as we noted in the call really laid into the Oracle opportunity and our team did an amazing job.

We closed about 70% of the available RP that we participated in.

And they were really across the Board.

Folks from Black Rock to Dish to charter, to inspire to P&G and others big wins for us for sure.

So no real kind of concentration and type of client.

One thing we did note though is, Moat had a pretty basic product, right?

So think of probably the most basic of verification solutions out there and DV sells, the Cadillac of verification.

It's a very premium product.

It comes with the authentic ad which not just, verifies fraud and viewability, but also things like suitability, safety, et cetera.

So, we delivered these clients a really premium product whereas they've been used to buying a pretty basic product.

So in some levels, we were, trying to Upsell them a bit into something a bit bigger but had to come down to their level, at least to build the initial relationship.

So the wins were big, not concentrated in any one area.

As Nicola noted in the prepared remarks, where the real growth comes from is the Upsell down the road of those clients because we know that once we get a customer, the average tenure of our TOP25 is over seven years.

These were for the most part, all entirely new customers to DV.

And now we've got a nice long track record or a long road ahead of kind of building relationships with them and upselling them over time.

Very helpful.

Thank you.

Matt Swanson, RBC Capital Markets.

Yeah.

Thank you guys so much for taking my questions.

Maybe the first one kind of following up on Frank's line of question with Oracle being kind of the low cost player in the market.

How does that affect kind of long term pricing dynamics not having to compete with a floor in the market anymore?

It's a great question, Matt.

So, I think there's definitely been puts and takes to Moat leaving, a three legged stool always has balance, right?

But now we're looking at a pretty much more limited kind of marketplace, which means that every customer becomes that much more valuable.

But what the lower end product allowed us to do or lower end entry allows to get into some markets and some advertisers who hadn't considered DV before, because maybe they didn't want to go into premium products, but now we can build a relationship with them on a very different foot.

So, we look at this as a land and expand opportunity.

We were pretty aggressive in going after those deals.

And rightly, so because again, the brands that we got out of this were pretty significant.

And I think over time, the pricing dynamics, we've always been a company that's focused on mix, right?

How many solutions can we sell an advertiser?

And I think over time, it's about getting in at the entry level with some of these advertisers and then building them up as we upsell them ABS and upsell them attention and upsell them social measurement areas which didn't have solutions for.

They had no ABS, they have no attention solution and they didn't have any social coverage.

So these are areas where we're going to try to force -- not force but you work with those customers to grow them over time.

Yeah, that's really helpful Mark and then Nicola really impressive just the EBITDA strength both in the quarter and the guide, especially with some of the revenue headwinds.

A lot of interesting things though too, with the social and the market share wins.

So as revenue hopefully starts to re accelerate at some point.

How should we think about the durability of the adjusted EBITDA margin expansion?

Yeah, I think, I'm going to answer it two ways.

One is obviously our business is extremely scalable.

You can see that now very clearly if you look at the G&A line which is essentially flat to last year and even to last quarter.

So we're getting the obvious benefits of scale there.

You're also seeing an exit rate on sales and marketing that's going to be lower than where we were at the beginning of the year.

And we called that out, right.

We've invested this year a little bit to go after the new product, it's actually decided.

But if you look at the year and year growth of sales and marketing.

The third quarter is definitely lower than it was in the first half.

We have a very good gross margin and it's sustainable at those levels, which is well above 80%.

So what's left is R&D and our decisions to continue to invest for the business and the future of the business.

It's a very variable piece of the business, right.

We can decide the speed at which we invest or not.

You've heard us say this before, right.

We do want to invest.

That is how we've achieved such high growth and we've created, market share gains.

But to go back to the beginning of the -- of your statement, we're not at a scale where there are obvious economies of scale that are benefiting the bottom line.

Thank you.

Maria Ripps, Canaccord Genuity.

Great.

Thanks so much for taking my questions.

I wanted to follow up on the launch of your social activation features on that up.

Can you maybe talk about how you would -- excuse me, how you would expect that offering to scale relative to how it has been scaling on the open web?

And I guess what are some differences and similarities there?

And then secondly, sort of recognizing that your visibility into this may be somewhat limited.

Is there any additional color that you can share sort of on the timing for launching these features across more platforms?

Thanks Maria.

So with regards to kind of the scaling of the activation solution, the good things about being and working with partners like Meta is that the scale of the advertising and the integrations there are just massive, right?

So, the number of impressions that we see on those platforms is very large, so that we know when we, get a customer on board to measure and then start to activate the scales of those customers will be big.

The challenge sometimes is in getting those customers to actually start to integrate and to move faster and to test.

In the open web, it's pretty seamless.

So our innovation solutions go through DSPs, they're already doing their buying through DSPs, it's a click a button and test and roll.

On the social platform there's a bit more of a roll up period, there's measurement learnings that they're doing.

So we don't see the activation on social being as fast, for example, as we saw the ABS growth, over the last several years.

But once it starts rolling, one thing we do know is that virtuous cycle is pretty powerful, right?

Once we're optimizing, once the measurement starts feeding into the activation aspect of the tool, which exactly what Meta tool will do, it will feed, measurement information into the activation part of it.

We know that is a virtuous cycle that allows us to then start expanding across multiple brands.

So it's a long way of saying, I think the testing cycle is longer than what we've seen in the open web.

But the scale, becomes considerably larger over time.

And then the second part of your question was regarding across all social platforms.

So the one thing we noted in the prepared marks is that we're planning on an early 2024 launch across TikTok -- I'm sorry '25 launch across TikTok, which is in our top three social networks that we're covering our measurement right now.

So I think that will be in it opportunity.

We do have a pre-screen solution on YouTube.

So, rolling into the end of next year, we'll be in a position where we have both pre-bid and post-bid solutions across our TOP3 social measurement platforms.

Got it.

Thank you so much for the color.

Pleasure.

Andrew Boone, JMP Securities.

Thanks so much for taking questions.

Mark, I wanted to ask on a bigger picture question we talked earlier about the transition to performance.

Can you step back and say, hey, what is double verify missing or what else do you guys need to do to execute on the broader performance opportunity?

And then another bigger picture question as I think about the evolution of digital advertising that's kind of taken place over the last few years really coming out of COVID.

It's really been the shift to video.

Is that what you guys are seeing?

Is there any headwinds or tailwinds as we think about the evolution of digital advertising formats that you guys face?

And how do we think about that transition of video impacting MTM and MTF for DoubleVerify.

Thanks so much.

Sure Andrew.

So first of all, talking about kind of how the business is evolving to protection and performance of digital media spend.

The performance aspect, think of it having two main branches for DV, where we're putting investment.

The first is I think of performance metrics.

So these are things beyond just base verification, saying something's good or high quality.

These are metrics like attention which allow an advertiser to start to look at ROI based on an entirely new currency.

So, attention is something we've been talking about for years is starting to slowly gain steam.

We had, really a 300% year-over-year revenue jump this quarter, which I think is substantial of very small numbers, but it's getting there.

So I think on the measurement and metric side, we've got probably the hottest kind of alternative performance metric right now in attention that everyone's talking about.

So I think we're good there.

We're going to continue to invest.

The other branch of performance investments is really around optimization and, that is where Scibids comes into play.

We talked about in our Investor Day, over a year ago, how we saw Scibids as growing and driving revenue for us is we were able to enter different types of discussions with different types of advertisers where that's expanded now is as a core part of all of our solutions in this kind of measure, activate optimize pyramid and where we're seeing that now is our ability to drive a higher performance for me -- for better media quality.

And what that means is lowering the cost of media that sometimes going after higher quality media drives up.

So Scibids is really the core investment that we have on the performance aspect of our business that we're going to be starting to lean into pushing into other parts of our business including social and social optimization.

We've done some pretty amazing performance tests across social that we're excited about and we're going to be expanding there.

So I think, we're in good shape there.

We're just going to continue to lean in and invest and grow on those two areas.

The second part of your question around video, I think it's a tale of two opportunities for DV.

The first is short form video, right.

And I think we've done incredibly well in both building applications for that space for folks like TikTok and Meta as well as you know, seeing our measurement growth across there.

And so I think social video is still going to be a continued driver of growth over the next several quarters and years as consumer behavior, eats that stuff up and I think we're well prepared for that.

The one area that we continue to talk about, which is growing for us nicely in our relationship with folks like Netflix are testament to that is connected television and I think we've seen nice volume growth there.

Our relationships continue to get strengthened across that ecosystem, but I still think we're under penetrated when it comes to the actual revenue opportunity on CTV.

And for us, we've talked about this before driving transparency getting to the show level when it comes to things like brand safety and suitability are going to be the key to unlocking the real value in CTV.

Thank you.

Pleasure.

Justin Patterson, KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Great.

Thanks too.

If I can stick with Scibids, so would love to hear how that this is just trending versus your expectations.

I know you said you're well on track for the long term goal, but love a little more detail of just how that's been contributing year-to-date with customers.

And then secondly, I just wanted to go back to margins 33%, healthy performance for the full year here.

I know you historically like to operate that closer to 30%.

So curious if that's just more indicative of our performance this year and we should expect some incremental investment going into 2025 or if that's now kind of you showing a little more margin going forward.

Thank you.

Yeah, Justin.

I'll start on Scibids.

So we, we already kind of had talked a little bit about this on the last quarter call.

We, Scibids is pacing ahead of our expectations right now.

So we give that 15% to 17%.

We are at that $17 million number expectation for the year, that's a 40% year-on-year growth.

So it is pacing towards the high end of that range and that's a 40% growth.

And yes as you said, we did put out that number of $100 million by 2028 and we feel good about it.

There are other metrics that we discussed in our prepared remarks 15 of our TOP100 clients are using it now.

It's a critical differentiator for us as we get into the activation side of our business.

So it's on track and actually performing on the top end of our expectations.

And then on margins, I'll go back a little bit to how I answered the prior question, which is, the business is very profitable and at some point, those that falls to the bottom line as we think about 2025 and forward, we are still intending to invest in the business, right.

Our capital allocation decision will be around organic growth M&A and buyback, which we announced additional buyback today.

Additional intention to additional $270 million -- $275 million total available for share repurchases.

But we're going to continue to invest against that as you can see the numbers, I think the business is just profitable and just inherently profitable.

So you will see some of those EBITDA margins continue to grow.

Brian Pitz, BMO Capital Markets.

Thank you.

This is Dave Lustberg on for Brian.

I wanted to ask about CTV.

I believe you guys said CTV, measurement volume was up 90% year over year, which marks a pretty strong acceleration from the 45% and 55% growth 1Q and 2Q.

Can you talk a little bit about the drivers behind that?

Is it primarily low CPMs across CTV?

If you could kind of pass out the any details that would be helpful?

Thank you.

Yeah, so just one quick note there, we saw overall CTV volume go up around 60%.

It was a single client that we've been working on with, on some you know, transparency and initiatives that we saw 90% volume growth but 60% is nothing to sneeze.

I think what we're seeing driving that is our continued expansion of solutions across those partners.

So we mentioned that we're expanding across Netflix network to cover more impressions there.

So I think an it's, we're just covering more and working with those partners in bigger and broader ways.

And B we're benefiting from the number of dollars that are going into that space.

As I've noted in the past though, we're still not benefiting at the full level that others have just due to the fact that, our fixed fee model for the part on CTV, doesn't take advantage of those really high CPMs that you see out there.

So other platforms that take a percentage of media on CTV are getting a bigger kick there.

I think, we've talked about this in the past as we expand our value prop to advertisers and that really lays in driving more transparency and getting brand suitability at the program level.

I think we have an opportunity to look at prices that are more in line with what the CPMs are on those platforms.

Got it.

That's helpful.

And maybe it's just as a quick second question on the Oracle RFP win rate of 70%.

Sounds like you guys are winning, more than your fair share there.

Can you just talk a little bit about, you're having to be a little bit more competitive on these contracts or you really just winning on performance?

Thanks.

Yeah, so I think as we mentioned in the call that, you're going to win these deals based on the best technology platform.

That being said this was normal RFP process, right?

You know, RFPs can take 36 months, sometimes even longer.

And there's usually a very big deep dive into technology testing processes, all that kind of stuff.

This was six weeks.

So in many cases, it was very aggressive technical due diligence plus getting your best price out there.

So these were competitive and we won them based on technology, but we knew we had to be really forward on our pricing.

And we were because we know that the real opportunity here is not day one, the real opportunity is two, three years from now when we build relationships with these folks.

And now are beyond just selling the measurement and we're working with them on things like attention or on Scibids or on social measurement, all things that Moat never was able to deliver to them.

Thank you.

Mark Kelley, Stifel.

Great.

Thank you very much.

I wanted to stick with the Oracle mode topic really quick.

Can you maybe frame for us, they had some pretty large sophisticated clients, kind of surprising to hear that they're using only the basic product.

I guess is it a case where they were using mode for the basic stuff and then kind of piecemealing some of the other, maybe more advanced technologies from a kind of a point solution competitor of yours.

And that's the kind of business that, you're going to go after -- they've been onboarded or is it that's like totally Greenfield, things like attention and other products like that.

That's my first one that I've got a separate question after.

Yeah.

So Mark, I think you pretty much nailed it there, which is the business that we went after was the business that was the immediate need, right, which was, hey, we did (inaudible) with Moat.

Moat didn't do social.

Moat didn't have a very robust dynamic, pre-bid suitability product.

We need to fill in whatever gaps we can really on measurement and let's go from there.

Advertisers were using kind of a pieces parts solution at that point.

And now we've got an opportunity to consolidate all of those kind of solutions into a single platform and that's exactly the vision that we pitch them on and that we sold them and day one, they're not starting with all those solutions, but they know what's available.

Now, we have the opportunity to move those other players out and deliver them a cohesive platform.

And you're exactly right.

These are sophisticated advertisers, they're big spenders.

And I think there's a big opportunity for us down the road.

Okay.

Alright, perfect.

That's great.

And the second one just on the Meta, a pretty good opportunity.

And I guess how do we think about the dynamics of the ramp after that product is -- goes GA it sounds like maybe it'll be a quicker adoption curve relative to what we saw on the brand safety and suitability stuff given the comments you made about, some folks waiting for that to be available but would love to get any more color there if possible.

Thank you.

Yeah, so I don't know if I would say it would be quicker.

I think the scaling within a single customer will be a bit faster because you've got that flywheel going between measurement and activation.

I think the challenge is to feed that activation.

You need to have some base level of measurement and some learnings around that.

So there is a trial period, a scaling up period that will take place.

So and part of that is measurement.

So this only works with measurement in place.

It's one key thing to note.

So you cannot activate the Meta solution without having DV measurement also in place.

So the same kind of upcycle time that it takes to get measurement going and people to understand what those results are is still going to take place even with the activation is where we see this flywheel happening is once those two things start working together, hopefully it allows us to expand faster within those customers.

Okay.

Thank you.

Mark.

Sure.

Thank you.

Mark Murphy, JP Morgan.

Hey, this is Arti on for Mark.

Thanks for taking the question.

You mentioned during the call that there's some uncertainty around how quickly traditional ad spending rebounds after the election.

Could you just double click on that and maybe explain why that dynamic might be that persist have the election is over?

Thanks.

Yeah, so I I'll take that.

So, it's known, of course, we mentioned it in our, in our remarks that, you know, brand spending softened up to the elections, right.

Because the political dollars had crowded out of the traditional spend.

The uncertainty that's coming after, is more about how quickly we will see those dollars come back and flow back into the ecosystem.

The -- we definitely expect it but there is some uncertainty as to how quickly that will happen.

It is a busy fourth quarter, especially for our large brand advertisers.

And so it's an uncertainty in the environment, but it's also an uncertainty as to how quickly those dollars will come back.

I don't think.

And just to, just to add a little color, we've kind of never seen this before, right?

And that's what we're kind of, you know, what we're waiting on, which is so many dollars, I mean, more dollars were spent in this election cycle than ever, obviously in the history of a political ad spending and a vast majority of it was digital, right.

Going into social, going into even it's programmatic in CTV.

I mean, this was the CTV election.

So it did crowd out a lot of brands and a lot of brands sat on the sidelines, they just decided not to spend, period.

We heard this directly from some of our customers.

So how quickly they say, all right, it's safe to get back in the water.

Well, it is yet to be seen, but we're obviously here and ready to rip when they are.

That's great context.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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I would now like to hand the floor back over to Mark Zagorski for any closing remarks.

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