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Thank you, operator, and welcome to the deluxe 3rd quarter 2025 earnings call.

Joining me on today's call are Barry McCarthy, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and William Zint, our Chief Financial Officer.

At the end of today's prepared remarks, we will take questions.

Before we begin and as seen on the current slide, I'd like to remind everyone that comments made today regarding management's intentions, projections, financial estimates, and expectations about the company's future strategy or performance are forward-looking in nature as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1,995.

Additional information about factors that may cause actual results to differ from projections is set forth in the press release we furnished today in our Form 10K for the year ended December 31, 2024 and in other company SEC filings.

On the call today, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures including comparable adjusted revenue, adjusted and comparable adjusted EBITDA and EBITDA margin, adjusted and comparable adjusted EPS, and free cash flow.

All comparable adjusted metrics reflect the removal of impacts from business exits.

In our press release today's presentations and our filings with the SEC, you will find additional disclosures regarding the non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations of these measures to the most comparable measures under US GAAP.

Within the materials we are also providing reconciliations of GAAP EPS to adjusted EPS which may assist with your modeling, and with that I'll hand it over to Barry.

Thanks, Brian, and good evening everyone.

I'm pleased to report our strong 3rd quarter results. During the period we drove organic growth across all e-financial metrics revenue, adjusted EBITDA, EPS, margin rate, and year to day cash flows.

Adjusted EBITDA grew significantly faster than revenue, with margins expanding across each operating segment, demonstrating our ability to deliver consistent operating leverage.

This was our 11th consecutive quarter of year over year EBITDA expansion with profits growing faster than revenue.

A strong expansion of earnings also drove robust cash flow results.

Year-to-date operating cash flows have expanded by more than 25% versus the prior 9 month period.

These profit and cash flow outcomes contributed to continued reduction of our overall debt aligning to our clear capital allocation priorities.

As a result of the strong performance through three quarters, we reached our targeted year-end leverage ratio of 3.3 times, a full quarter ahead of our previously indicated pacing.

We were particularly pleased with this result as we continue to drive efficiencies on past to our 2026 yearend debt to EBITDA target ratio below 3 times.

Based on these results, we are raising our full year outlook range for adjusted EPS while affirming all other guidance metrics narrowing to the midpoint or better of the prior ranges.

Chip will cover these updates in additional detail in a bit.

Our overall 3rd quarter execution remained very strong, including the following enterprise level financial highlights.

2.5% comparable adjusted revenue growth driven by 1/4 consecutive quarter of double-digit year over year expansion for the data segment.

Nearly 14% growth of total comparable adjusted EBITDA, reaching nearly $119 million for the period.

Expansion of margin rates by more than 200 basis points, reaching 22% of revenue.

Adjusted EPS growth of nearly 30% year over year to $1.09 per share.

Continued reduction of our net debt lowered by more than $20 million during the quarter, contributing to our improved leverage ratio and year-to-date free cash flow expansion of just over 49%, growing by more than $31 million versus the prior year period.

Each of these 3rd quarter results aligned directly to our overall value creation algorithm providing a strong momentum as we approach the end of the year and continue our progress toward 2026 financial targets.

Now, I'll briefly review some financial and segment highlights for the period in the context of 3 ongoing strategic priorities.

Number 1, shifting our revenue mix towards payments and data to deliver profitable organic growth.

2, driving operating efficiencies across the enterprise, and 3, increasing EBITDA and cash flow to both lower net debt and improve our leverage ratio.

I'll discuss each of these three big strategic priorities in order, starting with our first priority shifting our revenue mix towards payments and data.

We're pleased with our progress here. To the 3rd quarter, blended payments and data segment revenue has grown nearly 9.5%. Combined, these segments are nearing revenue parity with our print businesses.

Through Q3, payments and data now account for 47% of total company revenue, up nearly 400 basis points versus previous year.

We're delivering our strategy to transition the company towards payments and data growth while leveraging robust cash flows from the print segment.

Data was our standout performer again in Q3, growing revenue by 46% year over year.

We remain very pleased with continued strong FY demand for revenue generating campaigns spanning deposit gathering, lending, and other product offerings supported by our proven end to end data solutions.

Our growth over the past 4 quarters has been driven by both continuing strong Ffi demand and expansion of data offerings to other markets whose target customers have high lifetime value.

Beyond the good news and data, merchant services also continued its expansion as 3rd quarter revenues expanded by around 5% versus the prior year period, improving sequentially as promised.

We've reached our mid single-digit expectations for the segment despite some persistent ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty.

We continue to expand our merchant base both through our direct to market channels as well as Ffi and embedded ISV partnerships.

Additionally, our one deluxe model continues to help accelerate merchants.

For example, we recently announced the expansion of our existing multi-divisional relationship with People's Bank, a $9.5 billion dollar Ohio-based FY to now include merchant services.

This is another example of deluxe building trust by delivering in one area, giving us the opportunity to cross sell offerings from multiple other divisions.

Moving to B2B payments.

Third quarter revenues for the segment declined modestly as we had signaled during the last quarter's call.

Importantly, we did continue to see both sequential revenue growth for B2B and year to year over year expansion of (inaudible) margins, which improved 260 basis points, an evolving mix and operating efficiencies across the segment.

Further, we continue to expect a return to growth within B2B revenues as we exit 2025.

Within print during the 3rd quarter, the stronger margin check portion of the business continued to perform in line with our long-term expectations, with revenues declining around 2%.

As we discussed last quarter, the lower margin branded promo portion of the print segments has remained the primary area where demand headwinds persist.

As expected, top-line pressure across the product group again resulted in fairly immaterial impacts to segment profits.

To summarize this first strategic priority, revenue growth from our combined payments and data businesses delivered overall 3rd quarter growth, more than offsetting expected headwinds and anticipated secular declines, particularly in print.

These results are consistent with our long-term strategy.

Now on to our second big strategic priority.

Driving efficiencies across the business to improve margins and sustain our operating leverage.

Ongoing cost discipline across the enterprise contributed to our success, expanding margins and improving overall operating leverage during the 3rd quarter.

We delivered lower overall corporate expense with spend improving by just over $2.5 million.

Inclusive of these savings, the overall enterprise reduced SG&A expenses by more than $15 million.

This reflected a reduction of roughly 7% year over year during the third quarter.

Overall, we were very pleased to deliver adjusted EA margin expansion across all four operating segments simultaneously.

Now on to our 3rd big strategic priority.

Increasing adjusted EBITDA, driving cash flows, and lowering both our net debt and leverage ratio.

As I noted earlier, we continued to convert our expanding earnings base into strong cash flow results and to reduce our debt levels through the 3rd quarter.

This resulted in realization of our targeted year-end leverage ratio of 3.3 times one quarter ahead of our previously signaled expectations.

Our third quarter free cash flow of just under $44 million reflected a 37% cash to EBAA conversion rate.

This result demonstrated continued improvement aligned to our targeted long-term yield remaining above 30%.

To summarize overall, We are making clear progress on all three big strategic priorities. 1, shifting the mix towards payments and data, 2, driving operating efficiencies, and 3, increasing cash flow, reducing debt, and lowering our leverage ratio.

As our overall 3rd quarter and year-to-date results illustrate, we are achieving this progress through disciplined capital allocation and strong execution, pushing our value creation algorithm forward.

Our pipeline remains strong across each operating segment, and we have positive momentum as we sprint towards the 2025 finish line and prepare to launch 2026.

Finally, before passing this to Chip, I want to again to take a moment to thank my fellow deluxers.

As we celebrate the company's 110th anniversary this year, our strong, enduring culture and clear commitment to meeting and exceeding our customers' needs while driving value for shareholders truly reflects the deluxe difference.

With that, I'll turn it over to Chip.

Thank you, Barry, and good evening everyone.

As Barry noted in his opening, we were very pleased with our 3rd quarter progress and particularly our better than anticipated delevering pace.

Continuing expansion of our comparable adjusted EBITDA EPS growth rates, accompanying our strong year-to-date free cash flow conversion highlight our progress through three quarters of the year.

Over recent quarters we've shown continued improvement in the health of our core fundamentals, and quality of earnings continues to improve as we execute our clear strategy.

I'll begin this evening providing some additional detail around our consolidated highlights for the period before moving on to individual operating segment results, our balance sheet and cash flow progress, and updated full year 2025 guidance ranges.

For the third quarter, we reported total revenue of $540.2 million increasing 2.2% against prior year reported results while expanding 2.5% on a comparable adjusted basis.

We reported GAAP net income of $33.7 million or $0.74 per share for the period, improving from $8.9 million or $0.20 per share in the third quarter of 2024.

This increase was driven by improved operating results aligned with expansion of revenues during the quarter, as well as lower overall SG&A and restructuring related expenses versus the prior year period.

Comparable adjusted EBITDA was $118.9 million up 13.8% versus the third quarter of 2024.

Comparable Jesse but the margins improved to 22% of revenue, expanding by 220 basis points versus the prior year third quarter, as Barry referenced.

Q3 comparable adjusted diluted EPS of $1.09 expanded by 29.8% from $0.84 in 2024, driven by the operating income drivers previously noted, that of a slightly higher year over year share count.

Turning now to our operating segment results, beginning with the merchant services business.

The merchant segment grew revenues by 4.8% year over year, finishing the quarter at $98 million while continuing a sequential quarterly acceleration trend from 2.9% second quarter growth.

This result reflected largely stable core merchant processing volumes as well as channel partner editions and planned in-year pricing actions.

As is customary, these growth drivers netted against normal course merchant attrition activity and reflected macroeconomic conditions continuing to signal some ongoing uncertainty, pressuring areas of discretionary spend.

Segment adjusted EBITDA finished at $20.4 million improving $2.6 million or 14.6% versus the prior year, with margins expanding 180 basis points to 20.8%, driven by both the improved sequential revenue growth and ongoing cost efficiencies.

We continue to expect full year merchant segment revenue growth in the low single-digit range, with 4th quarter revenues remaining strong as demonstrated over previous quarters.

We also continue to anticipate a low 20% adjusted even a margin profile.

Both these expectations are consistent with our prior guidance commentary for the segment.

Moving to B2B payments for the third quarter, B2B segment revenues finished at $73.1 million sequentially improving from the prior quarter but declining 2.7% versus the prior year result, consistent with the quarterly cadence expectation within our prior quarter commentary.

B2B adjusted EBITA expanded during the quarter, finishing at $16.8 million reflecting growth of 9.8% versus the prior year period.

Third quarter adjusted even to margins of 23% for the segment reflected a 260 basis points expansion versus 2024, as Barry noted.

The segment sustained its focus on driving efficiencies across lockbox operations while optimizing SG&A to align to the anticipated onboarding and implementation efforts for new B2B wins across the portfolio.

We continue to expect low single-digit 4 year revenue growth for B2B, implying a return to an improved 4th quarter exit growth rate for the business as we enter 2026.

Margins are expected to remain in the low to mid 20% range, consistent with overall year-to-date levels within the segment.

Moving on to data solutions.

This segment extended its revenue growth trajectory during the 3rd quarter as demand for core marketing campaign execution across key FY partners continued to accelerate.

Q3 data segment revenues finished at $89.2 million reflecting growth of 46% versus the third quarter of 2024. This growth reflected 1/4 consecutive quarter of strong double-digit demand growth for core bank customer marketing campaigns.

Our FY clients have increasingly turned to our proven data enabled audience development and targeted marketing capabilities to support revenue generation across their core lines of business.

Data adjusted EBITDA finished at $29.1 million growing 66.3% versus the prior year, while adjusted EBITA margins expanded by 400 basis points to reach 32.6% for the quarter.

These results were primarily reflective of the level of revenue expansion during the period.

The segment further benefited from operating expense efficiencies inclusive of volume-related savings.

Specifically, over the last 6 quarters as the data business has grown rapidly, we have realized volume related vendor rebates benefiting segment margins beyond our long-term expectation of the low 20%, even a margin range.

Looking ahead with baseline volumes now set at these increased levels, we would no longer anticipate having this magnitude of rebates and anticipate overall segment even of margins beginning to return to the previously signaled low 20s range beginning in the 4th quarter.

We also expect some typical 4th quarter revenue moderation as the holiday period is seasonally lower for marketing activity across segments served by our core data offerings. We will also begin to lap our more challenging prior year results.

Despite this forecast in moderation, we expect to see strong growth continue with 4th quarter revenues remaining above the long-term, mid to high single-digit growth expectations.

To summarize for the data segment, strong year-to-date growth for this segment leads to an expectation of a solid double-digit full year revenue growth for 2025 with even a margins in the mid to high 20% range.

Turning lastly to our print lines of business.

Print segment third quarter revenue was $279.9 million reflecting an overall decline of 5.9% versus the prior year.

Branded promotional products continued to see the primary revenue headwinds, declining 14.7% year over year, improved from last quarter while remaining concentrated towards lower margin non-core product offerings.

As Barry noted, Legacy Check continued to perform well, consistent with our recent history, declining 2.1% for the period.

Forms and other business products declined 7.8% during the quarter.

On a combined basis, these two core areas blend to an overall 3.6% rate of year year decline consistent with our low to mid single-digit history and long-term expectations for the segment.

The 4% rate of adjusted even a decline seen within print for the quarter aligns to the blended rate of decline for the more core print product focus areas.

This result drove an overall print margin rate of 33.4%, remaining solidly in line with our longer-term low 30s target for the segment.

Importantly, and despite shorter cycle promo revenue challenges, we expanded margin rate by 60 basis points versus our prior year Q3 results.

These healthy ongoing margin results reflect the overall continued segment mixed shift towards stronger margin offerings.

The continued focus on driving operating expense discipline.

And cost efficiencies realized across our scaled print fulfillment operations.

Consistent with our strategy, we remain focused on core profit drivers for the print segment, leveraging in-house production of checks and printed forms and accessories.

For the near term, we expect the non-core branded promo portion of print revenue to continue to decline faster than the higher margin offerings within the segment, limiting impact on overall print profitability.

On balance, We continue to anticipate revenue declines in the mid single-digit range across the overall print segment for the full year, with adjusted a bit of margins remaining in the low 30s, consistent with our longer-term flat rate outlook.

Turning now to our 3rd quarter balance sheet and cash flow progress.

We finished Q3 with a net debt level of $1.42 billion reflecting a reduction of just over $44.5 million versus our 2024 year-end level of $1.47 billion.

As Barry referenced, this result reflected a sequential improvement of just over $20.5 million versus our second quarter ending debt balance, consistent with our clear commitment to debt reduction as a top capital allocation priority.

We were particularly pleased to finish the quarter with a net debt to adjusted even a ratio of 3.3 times, showing continued improvement of our leverage position from the 3.6 times ratio reported at the end of 2024.

Reaching our targeted 2025 year and leverage ratio on an accelerated basis demonstrated our ongoing commitment to balance sheet improvement. Additionally, This result will reduce our ongoing interest obligation as we now move to a lower interest tier for variable rate borrowings per our credit agreement terms.

Our long-term strategic leverage target remains at 3 times or better by the end of 2026.

Free cash flow defined as cash provided by operating activities, less capital expenditures, finished at $95.9 million for the year-to-date period.

This reflected improvement of $31.6 million from the results reported through the first three quarters of the prior year and finished within roughly $4 million of our full year 2024 free cash flow result.

Our year-to-date improvement continued to be driven by strong operating results and core working capital efficiency, in addition to significantly lower restructuring spend versus the prior year period.

Finally, we remain well positioned from both the liquidity and go forward capital structure perspective following our December 2024 refinancing.

As of the end of the 3rd quarter, we maintained over $390 million of available revolver capacity with all material debt maturities extended to the 2029 horizon.

Before turning to guidance, consistent with prior quarters, our board approved a regular quarterly dividend of $0.30 per share on all outstanding shares.

The dividend will be payable on December 1, 2025 to all shareholders of record as a market closing on November 17, 2025.

As mentioned previously, our year-to-date execution and momentum provide confidence to raise our overall range of expectations for adjusted EPS.

Further, we are affirming our existing guidance for revenue, adjusted EBITA, and free cash flow, each within a narrow range at or above the midpoint of our prior outlook for the year.

With that context, our updated full year guidance figures are shown on the current slide, keeping in mind all figures are approximate.

Revenue of $2.11 billion to $2.13 billion which represents a range of flat to positive 1% comparable adjusted growth versus 2024.

Adjusted EBITDA of $425 to $435 million reflecting between 5% and 7% comparable adjusted growth.

Adjusted VPS of $3.45 to $3.60.

Now a range of 6 to 10% comparable adjusted growth.

And free cash flow of $140 to $150 million.

Finally, to further assist with your modeling, our guidance assumes the following.

Interest expense of approximately $123 million and adjusted tax rate of 26%.

Depreciation and amortization of $133 million of which acquisition and amortization is approximately $45 million.

An average outstanding share count of 45.5 million shares, and capital expenditures between $90 and $100 million.

This guidance remains subject to, among other things, prevailing macroeconomic conditions as noted previously, including interest rates, labor supply issues, inflation, and the impact of divestigers.

In summary, we remain pleased with our continued strong performance shown in the 3rd quarter in year-to-date periods as the underlying core fundamentals of the business continue to improve.

Revenue mix continues to rotate towards the growing payments and data segments.

Adjusted EBITDA and EBITDA margins continue to expand. Free cash flow conversion continues to improve, and the balance sheet is the healthiest it's been since 2021 as we achieve our anticipated year-end leverage ratio ahead of schedule.

All of this is a result of the clear strategy and capital allocation priorities we have been executing against over recent years, and we look forward to continuing this momentum.

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Hey, Chef. Hey, Barry, this is Carl.

Please go ahead.

Hey.

Oh, thank you. Hey, Zint. Hey, Barry, how are you? This is Kartik Mehta North Coast Research.

Hey, Jeff, I wanted to talk about free cash flow, impressive increase in guidance, and maybe you can talk through the drivers behind it and the sustainability of the free cash flow as we move into next year.

Yeah, sure, thank you, Kartik. Good to see you. I think you know over the last few years we've been really focused on improving the free cash flow, not only absolute dollar but on a conversion rate, and as we've outlined over the last couple of quarters, the goal of adding $100 million of annual run rate free cash flow coming into 2026 was one of the core tenets of the North Star program.

And so we came into the year this year and we laid it out for you exactly how we would get there, achieving the original guidance and ultimately raising it to where we did would be a function of improved profitability.

Having lower restructuring spend and continuing to execute strong working capital efficiency in terms of maintaining a solid DSO and a solid DPO and so what you have seen throughout this year is us just execute on that strategy. So as we sit here today executing nearly in line with what we delivered for the full year a year ago that obviously gives us confidence in narrowing our guidance range up to the upper end. And obviously puts us on a good path to be able to deliver that full run rate $100 million as we go into next year. So very pleased with the progress we've made improving the EBITA and the underlying profitability of the business, as well as pulling back on the restructuring spending, winding down that program, and delivering that improved free cash flow conversion that we've been talking about.

Barry.

An emergency that you talked about People's Bank here in Ohio as a partner, and I'm wondering if you talk about a little bit about the pipeline for your distribution partners, whether it be financial institutions, ISPs, or any other channel you're kind of focused on right now.

Sure, so let me just tell you a little bit more about the People's Bank, when, because I think it's really A good small view of how effective our one deluxe go to market solution our process is. So as we mentioned in or as I mentioned in my prepared comments, I talked about how we can convert success in one part of the company into success across many parts of the company by building trust and delivering what the customer needs. And People's Bank is the latest example that we can talk about, which is follow that exact playbook and that exact model where we start with one place, we expand to multiple others, and in this case now it also includes the merchant business and we have a very strong healthy pipeline. Of additional opportunities for us in financial institutions but also in ISVs our integrated software vendors, and we have recently hired a new sales leader in the ISV space that we think will also help us accelerate our efforts there. But I really think the main message here is the effectiveness of our one deluxe model where we can land and build a relationship with the customer, deliver on our promises and our commitments, and then expand that relationship over time. And merchant is a clear beneficiary of that which was central to our original hypothesis of moving into the merchant space.

Perfect.

Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Certainly.

Thank you.

And we will take our next question.

Hi, it's Charlie Strasser at CJS.

Hey Charlie.

Hi Charlie.

It's just a couple of quick questions. Another impressive quarter from Data, and hoping that you can expand a little bit further as to kind of what the key drivers were and how sustainable that, this kind of growth could be, a number of quarters in a row now where data's had, some really good strengths there, maybe a little bit more about that.

Sure, Charlie, you'll recall that we had made an investment in building our infrastructure so that we have what we believe is the largest data lake of consumer and small business data we think in the country and then of course we put our proprietary AI tools that sit on top of that data lake to help build.

A high high converting lead lists helping those institutions or organizations identify target and market to a customer that's likely to be interested in the offering of that organization.

In this particular moment in time, financial institutions are increasing their investment specifically around all of their core products, whether it is low cost deposits, but it's also things like high reward credit cards. Around lines and loans and many other bank products and we can see some great uptake on that and we think that is that is sustainable, Charlie, now probably not at the rate we've been talking about and Chip did a good job, I think, of setting that expectation. But we have a very unique offering here that we can show a specific return on a marketing marketing expense that delivers a customer with measurable value to a financial institution, and that is a very compelling proposition for financial institutions, but we're also expanding, as Charlie beyond financial. Institutions into other market verticals where there's a high lifetime value for that customer and it's worth a significant marketing investment to acquire that customer and we continue to make inroads there and we feel very good and bullish about this business over the intermediate long-term as well as what's right in front of us in Q4.

Excellent, yeah, very impressive.

Thank you. And just a follow-up question on the print segment margins were above where they've been in, at least in recent memory, and what was this all from? Is this you basically driven by promo having better margins, or is it, across the board, a little more color there that'd be great.

Charlie, we've been saying for a while that we have 3 core strategic initiatives for the company. We want to shift our mix towards payments and data. We want to drive efficiency across our portfolio. We want to increase free cash flow to lower debt and our leverage ratio. In the case of the print business, we have a great cash generator in the check business, and that had a very solid and very predictable Q3. We continue to struggle a bit in the promo business with just headwinds in the industry. We've also just been very clear we're going to focus on profitable volume. We're not going to play the game that others in this space are playing, which is taking product or making sales that have little or no margin. And so we're walking away from deals that we just don't think we can make a decent profit on, and you can see that in the revenue part of that equation. But when you come down to what's really important here is that we're able to largely hold on to the EBITDA and as you can see we're expanding margin here as well. I think it's just a matter of being really choiceful and really fully in alignment with our our key three big strategic initiatives around shifting mix of payments and. Data driving efficiency, increasing free cash from lowering debt and the leverage ratio that we're being very choiceful and disciplined about the business we take and making sure we do have is operated with great efficiency. Chip, you want to build on that? Yeah.

I think you said it well, but Charlie, if you think about the extra materials we've added the last few quarters, you can see while promo, the promo side is still struggling and declining a bit higher than we would like, it has improved.

But to Barry's point, the real story is how CE continues to deliver solid results, decline better than long-term expectations, and how those two things together. Deliver a really solid mix story to the business. So I think Barry said it all right when you put that all together and you add on top of it the focus on efficiency that we've been delivering over the last 2 years as part of our efficiency improvement program. It's all leading to this solid sustainable low 30s margin rate that we've been talking about for print that you can see is really stabilizing, so we're very proud of that result and very pleased with how that team is executing.

Great, thanks, and can I sneak one more in, kind of a bigger picture thing as we, approach your end here. Any initial thoughts for next year?

That was a really good TRY, Charlie. We're, we'll be back at the next call with good guidance for next year.

Appreciate it thank you.

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Hey guys, it's Jonnathan from TD Cowan.

Just one question for me now that you've reached your leverage target and congrats on that, how are you balancing capital between let say debt reduction, potential buybacks, some M&A, and maybe even some reinvestments in in the growth segments like payments and data.

Thank you.

Yeah, well, first of all, thank you for acknowledging that progress, Jonathan. I think you know we have been very committed to this goal of bringing the leverage ratio down and getting ultimately at or below 3 times sometime next year. So obviously the work is not done yet. Very pleased with the execution and. That allowed us to reach our original target for year 25 a bit faster, but nothing really changes. Our capital allocation priorities remain. We are still focused on paying down that debt and bringing the leverage ratio down. We are still marching down the path towards that 3 times or better by the end of next year, and we are going to continue to invest internally for high return growth that helps Barry's number one strategic priority shifting the mix to payments and data. And then obviously we'll keep returning value to shareholders through the dividends. So very pleased with the progress, but don't expect anything to change. We're going to keep executing based off this updated guidance range we've provided. I would say we're now in a place to land year end around 3.25% depending on the rounding, so continuing great progress, and we're continuing on that journey to get at or below 3 times by the end of next year.

Thank you.

And we will take our next question.

Hi, good evening. It's Mark from from Sidoti here. I was sort of, you sort of covered up quite a bit already. I wanted to sort of touch on how we should think about the, how CapEx might flow out through we have for for the year is it reasonable I think that we might see. Similar levels, next year or how should we think about the potential for whether it's technology driven investments sort of like how that might play into CapEx next year just generally, not a specific guide on numbers, I suppose, but just sort of generally.

Yeah, so again, to reiterate, we've been holding in this $90 to $100 million dollar guidance range for all of this year, and we're executing pretty well in that, stopping short of providing full guidance, but where we are is a very comfortable level for us. Like I said, we continue to focus on.

Good internal return projects that can allow us to drive that strategic initiative to shift the mix and so we're obviously not going to starve the business, but we also feel good about the progress we've made. So as we get into next year, we'll go through our normal process of evaluating all the investment opportunities inside the business and stack rank them based off. Best returns helping drive the long-term strategy, and I would expect CapEx will settle somewhere around where it is right now, but again, stopping short of guidance we'll wait to see where the final demands of the business land and what are the best returns inside the four walls to deliver the best outcome for both investors and our customers.

Great. And then I guess, and admittedly this might be a bit of a squishy question, but are there any parts of the business where you would like to expand bandwidth as far as internal, whether it's personnel, or the like, are there any areas that you feel as though you might need to expand bandwidth in the near term to take advantage of.

Opportunities?

I appreciate the question mark. We regularly look at our resource allocation or capital allocation and where we're spending for maximum return. We don't anticipate any need for a surge in any one of our businesses. We are investing appropriately, particularly in the payments and data, the growth businesses for the future. Sure, I mentioned earlier we're putting a bit more investment towards sales, particularly in the merchant business, but we like the mix of what we have today and how we're investing to grow, and really like how it played out for us in Q3.

Excellent. Congratulations.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And at this time we have no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back.

Thanks, Rachel.

Before we conclude, I'd like to share that management will be participating at the Citizens Financial Services Conference in New York and the Stevens annual Investment Conference in Nashville on November 18th and 19th respectively, and at the Bank of America leveraged Finance conference on December second and 3rd during the 4th quarter for which additional information will be posted on the investor relations website.

Thank you again for joining us today, and we look forward to speaking with you all again in early February as we share our 4th quarter and full year 2025 results.

Thank you. This concludes today's call.

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