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  • Operator

  • Good morning.

  • My name is Kayla and I will be your conference operator today.

  • At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Dollar General third-quarter 2016 earnings call.

  • Today is Thursday, December 1, 2016.

  • (Operator Instructions).

  • This call is being recorded.

  • (Operator Instructions).

  • Now I would like to turn the call over to Ms. Mary Winn Pilkington, Vice President of Investor Relations and Public Relations.

  • Ms. Pilkington, you may begin your conference.

  • Mary Winn Pilkington - VP, IR & Public Relations

  • Thank you, Kayla and good morning, everyone.

  • On the call today are Todd Vasos, our CEO and John Garratt, our CFO.

  • After our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions.

  • Our earnings release issued today can be found on our website at dollargeneral.com under investor information, news and events.

  • Let me caution you that today's comments will include forward-looking statements about our expectations, plans, future estimates and other non-historical matters, including, but not limited to, our fiscal 2016 diluted EPS guidance, the 2016 and 2017 store growth, initiatives, capital allocation strategy and related expectations, our long-term financial growth model and future economic trends or conditions.

  • Forward-looking statements can be identified because they are not statements of historical fact or use words such as outlook, may, believe, anticipate, expect, will, would, plan, going forward, looking ahead, estimate, our goal and similar expressions that concern our strategy, plans, intentions or beliefs about future matters.

  • Important factors that could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those projected by our forward-looking statements are included in our earnings release issued this morning, our 2015 10-K filed on March 22, 2016 and our most-recent 10-Q filed today and in the comments that are made on this call.

  • We encourage you to read these documents.

  • You should not unduly rely on forward-looking statements, which speak only as of today's date.

  • Dollar General disclaims any obligation to update or revise any information discussed in this call except as may be otherwise required by law or as described under the heading Financial Outlook set forth in our earnings press release issued today.

  • Now it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Todd.

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • Thank you, Mary Winn and thanks to everyone for joining our call.

  • On today's call, I would first like to share our perspectives on the third quarter and review some of its highlights, then turn it over to John to take you through a more detailed review of the quarter and our outlook for our fiscal year.

  • I will then provide insights into our strategic action plans going forward.

  • Since we last spoke on our earnings call at the end of August, the retail environment has continued to be challenging, although we are pleased to see some of our traffic and sales-driving actions beginning to take hold as we exited the third quarter.

  • As I shared with you last quarter, we have taken a number of actions across merchandising and store operations to drive same-store sales all while being very disciplined in our SG&A spending.

  • Although our sales and earnings fell short of our expectations, I believe we made progress on our initiatives in the quarter.

  • Together, the team has spent a tremendous amount of time and resources on the analytics of our business and the targeted actions going forward.

  • As the deflation cycle continued in the quarter, we have reevaluated how we are looking at the impact, ultimately taking a more broad-based view.

  • Rather than limiting our view to commodity cost of milk and eggs, we expanded our analysis to the average unit retail price deflation.

  • Applying this broader view of deflation to both our second and third quarters, we experienced a greater impact in the third quarter as compared to the second quarter.

  • We estimate that the combined headwinds from the average unit retail price deflation and reduction in SNAP benefits negatively impacted our same-store sales for the third quarter by approximately 150 to 175 basis points and for our second quarter by approximately 100 to 115 basis points.

  • We believe many of these issues are transitory in nature.

  • Now let's turn to some of the highlights for the third quarter of 2016 as we compared to the prior-year quarter.

  • Third-quarter sales increased 5% to $5.3 billion.

  • Year-to-date through the third quarter, net sales were $16 billion, an increase of 5.9%, over the comparable prior-year period.

  • Same-store sales declined 0.1% for the quarter as an increase in average transaction size was offset by softer customer traffic.

  • Same-store sales growth was positive for consumables offset by declines in the non-consumable categories.

  • In terms of the sales cadence for the quarter, August and October were both positive with October being the strongest period of the quarter.

  • Year-to-date through the third quarter, same-store sales increased 0.9% over the comparable prior-year period.

  • For the quarter, diluted EPS was $0.84, including approximately $0.05 for store relocation costs and disaster-related expenses.

  • During the quarter, we returned $295 million to shareholders through the repurchase of 2.9 million shares of common stock and the payment of a quarterly dividend.

  • We successfully converted 42 Walmart Express locations to the Dollar General banner.

  • These locations are performing well ahead of our expectations and provide us with great insights to apply to our existing store formats and future opportunities.

  • The store operations team continues to aggressively work towards improving our on-shelf availability.

  • We are seeing progress as our third-party audits indicate that our stores have reduced their out-of-stocks on core items by 13% over prior-year third quarter.

  • Our real estate model is the foundation of driving strong returns.

  • We continue to see our new store productivity at around 80% to 85% of our comp base all while driving returns over 20%.

  • For 2016, we are on track to open 900 new stores and relocate or remodel a combined 900 stores.

  • The real estate and store operations team have done a tremendous job in executing our store growth plans.

  • We continue to grow transaction and item units in syndicated share data for the quarter.

  • In the most recent syndicated data, we experienced low single digit to mid-single digit growth in both units and dollar share for the 4, 12, 24 and 52-week periods.

  • I am especially encouraged that we experienced a notable share change trend improvement in the most recent eight-week data.

  • During the third quarter, we invested gross margin dollars in a number of strategies designed to drive traffic.

  • Some of these initiatives performed better than others, but I believe we learned important lessons that will guide us in being more effective with the spending going forward.

  • Based on the recent work we've done to analyze the business and to test various initiatives, we believe that we have identified those actions and strategies that provide the best opportunity to drive traffic and ultimately profitable sales growth.

  • We are moving fast to aggressively pursue the actions that we believe will drive our same-store sales performance improvements.

  • During the quarter, we made pricing, labor and marketing investments in designated market areas where we saw opportunities to be proactive as we look to improve same-store sales and marketshare with the objective to provide our customers with affordability, value and convenience at a time when they need us most.

  • Our proactive pricing actions were implemented selectively across about 17% of our store base and on about 450 items targeting high-household penetration fast-turning categories.

  • While these investments take time to deliver the full impact, we are seeing the expected improvements in transactions, units and weekly same-store sales across the vast majority of stores where we have made these investments.

  • We believe we are on the right track with these selective price investments, which are noticeable to our consumers.

  • As I mentioned, while some of the third-quarter investments resulted in the desired performance, others did not.

  • For instance, we invested in incremental promotional activity to drive traffic, although results were mixed and did not meet our overall expectations.

  • As such, this is an area we look to be more effective in deploying gross profit dollars going forward.

  • Additionally, as we moved through the quarter, it became apparent that our incremental actions would not be able to overcome the decline in traffic in our stores.

  • Both traffic-driving consumables and basket-building non-consumables were impacted requiring greater-than-anticipated markdowns to move through the inventory and keep our merchandise in the stores fresh.

  • Based on our learnings, we have focused our efforts on the most efficient and impactful activities and we will continue to monitor these traffic-driving initiatives and continue to optimize these investments to achieve the best returns.

  • I have confidence in this retail management team that has successfully navigated other challenging sales environments.

  • We remain committed to controlling the factors that we can control and seizing the opportunities we have identified to improve our performance.

  • With that, let me now turn the call over to John.

  • John Garratt - EVP & CFO

  • Thank you, Todd and good morning, everyone.

  • For the 2016 third quarter year-to-date, I will share more insights on some of the important financial details and our outlook.

  • Gross profit for the 2016 third quarter was $1.6 billion or 29.8% of sales, a decrease of 49 basis points from last year's third quarter.

  • As compared to the prior-year third quarter, the most significant drivers were higher markdowns, primarily for inventory clearance and promotions, a greater proportion of sales of lower margin consumables and increased inventory shrink partially offset by higher initial inventory markups.

  • SG&A expense in the quarter increased by 48 basis points over the comparable 2015 period to $1.2 billion or 22.5% of sales.

  • The SG&A increase was due in part to increased retail labor and occupancy costs.

  • In addition, we incurred charges and related expenses of $13 million or 25 basis points associated with the acquisition of the former Walmart Express store locations.

  • These expenses were primarily related to lease termination costs for existing stores and costs related to the conversion of acquired stores to DG stores.

  • We also incurred an increase of $7.7 million or 14 basis points of disaster-related expenses in the 2016 period, most of which were hurricane-related.

  • Partially setting these items were reductions in administrative payroll costs, incentive compensation expenses and advertising costs.

  • For comparability, please keep in mind that 2015 third-quarter SG&A results reflect expenses of $6.1 million or 12 basis points for severance-related benefit costs associated with the corporate restructuring of certain support functions.

  • In light of our same-store sales performance for the quarter, I am pleased with the way the team managed our SG&A expenses.

  • Year to date for the third quarter, we would have successfully leveraged SG&A expenses on our same-store sales performance of 0.9% had it not been for the store relocation costs and disaster-related expenses mentioned earlier.

  • Our effective tax rate for the quarter was 36.2%.

  • As in the first half of the year, our effective tax rate was lower this quarter as compared to the 2015 quarter primarily due to the recognition of the Work Opportunity Tax Credit in the quarter in which it is earned given changes by Congress in December 2015.

  • Moving now to our balance sheet and cash flow statement, at quarter-end, merchandise inventories were $3.49 billion, up 5.6% on a per-store basis.

  • Key factors impacting this increase were our on-shelf availability initiative and the timing of receipts coupled with our sales performance with the actions we have in place designed to help get inventory growth in line with our sales growth.

  • Even with this increase, we believe our inventory is in good shape and we are comfortable with the quality as the increase was mainly in our every day planogram categories, or what we think of as core items.

  • Year to date through the third quarter, we generated cash from operations of $1.12 billion, an increase of 39%, or 315 million compared to the 2015 third quarter, primarily as a result of working capital improvements in higher net income.

  • During the quarter, we repurchased 2.9 million shares of our common stock for $225 million and paid a quarterly dividend of $0.25 per common share outstanding totaling $70 million.

  • Year to date through the end of the third quarter, we have returned cash to shareholders totaling $892 million through the combination of share repurchases and quarterly dividends.

  • From December 2011 through the third quarter of 2016, we repurchased $4.3 billion or 70.2 million shares of our common stock.

  • At the end of the third quarter, our remaining repurchase authorization was approximately $1.2 billion.

  • We remain committed to a disciplined capital allocation strategy to create lasting value for our shareholders.

  • Our first priority remains investing in new stores and the infrastructure to support our store base, while our second priority is to return cash to shareholders through anticipated dividends and share repurchases.

  • Underlying our capital allocation strategy is our goal to maintain our investment-grade rating by managing to a leverage ratio of approximately 3 times suggested debt to EBITDAR.

  • Looking ahead, we are realistic about the environment in which we are operating.

  • We now expect that our fiscal 2016 diluted EPS growth will be at the low end of our long-term growth model range of 10% to 15%.

  • This outlook includes the impact of the charge for the store relocation costs and disaster-related expenses in the third quarter and the benefit from the 53rd week this year of approximately $0.09 per diluted share.

  • Because of the uncertainty surrounding the implementation of the Fair Labor Standards and Act's new salary requirement, it does not include any incremental expense related to the potential implementation of that regulation.

  • In the event that the new salary requirement under the Fair Labor Standards Act is implemented, we anticipate that this would be an incremental annualized expense of approximately $60 million to $70 million or $0.03 for the 2016 fourth quarter.

  • Please keep in mind that we had an incremental $0.04 per diluted share benefit from the reenactment of the Federal Work Opportunity Tax Credit in Q4 2015.

  • We anticipate providing further details on our 2017 initiatives when we release our fourth-quarter and fiscal-year 2016 results in March 2017.

  • With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Todd.

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • Thank you, John.

  • While we are still in our planning process for fiscal 2017, we remain focused on our four operating priorities for growth.

  • First, driving profitable sales growth; second, capturing growth opportunities; third, enhancing our position as a low-cost operator; and, fourth, investing in our people as a competitive advantage.

  • Our first priority is to drive profitable sales growth.

  • Our goal is to attract and grow new consumers and trips and capture share with existing customers utilizing our customer segmentation work and our disciplined approach to category management.

  • To enhance our value proposition, we are committed to providing our customers with everyday low prices that they know and trust from us.

  • Clearly, our consumers' budgets are pinched.

  • The cumulative effect of macroeconomic factors such as the reduction of staff participation and benefit levels and increased housing and healthcare expenses appear to have taken a noticeable toll on their spending.

  • Our goal is to be there for our customers when they need us the most.

  • We remain committed to refreshing our price investments across items and categories, as well as incremental markets.

  • Our changes would be made as needed in a very rational manner as we move through the coming quarters with the goal to drive traffic and units and capture marketshare.

  • To further enhance our value proposition, we are also focused on refining our advertising effectiveness to drive productive sales growth with a continued focus on everyday low prices that resonate with our customers.

  • For 2017, we plan to further integrate our traditional and digital media mix to work together to ensure we are reaching our target consumers where, when and how they decide to engage with us.

  • Through applied predictive technology, we are conducting a test and learn to gain further insights into our ability to achieve a higher return on investment on our advertising media mix.

  • A key area of focus for 2017 is to build on our 2016 progress to expand the merchandising initiatives that focus on our mature store base to drive our same-store sales.

  • For a select group of these stores, we anticipate a more extensive four-wall remodeling effort that we believe will provide compelling returns.

  • The recent acquisition of the former Walmart Express stores gives us great insights as we develop the remodel program for these stores.

  • Merchandising initiatives across all departments have been deployed to provide consumers with more of the products and brands they want and need to save time and money every day across this group of stores.

  • Second, we will focus on initiatives to capture growth opportunities.

  • In 2017, we plan to accelerate our square footage growth to about 7.5%.

  • Our 2017 pipeline is essentially complete as we continue to plan for about 1,000 new store openings.

  • The primary format will be our traditional DG box, which is about 7,300 square feet of selling space and provides us with strong new store economics and returns.

  • This format consistently proves to be our highest return format against which we benchmark the performance of all other formats.

  • We expect that these traditional stores will utilize our successful DG16 layout to expand high-growth, traffic-building categories in a more customer-friendly format all while providing consumers with a faster checkout.

  • We are planning for the future as we segment our store opportunities that we believe can have a greater impact on sales and productivity all while continuing to drive compelling returns.

  • We view this as more of an evolution of our existing highly productive traditional store format rather than a wholesale change.

  • We are in the unique position to leverage knowledge across our multiple formats given that Dollar General has always been a leader in store format innovation.

  • I view our store format along a continuum of selling square footage.

  • On one end, we apply lessons from the best-selling items in our 16,000 square foot Dollar General market stores to our newly acquired 10,000 square foot box.

  • Both of these formats give us great experience with fresh produce and meats.

  • From there, we move along the continuum to the 9,000 square foot Dollar General Plus, with about 30 or so cooler doors and more holding power on the shelf.

  • Next, we tailor the assortment to our 7,300 square foot traditional box.

  • With over 12,500 traditional stores, this box will always be core to our model.

  • Finally, we have been pleased with the test results of our smaller box that is less than 6,000 square feet for certain metro and rural locations.

  • Across the formats, we constantly are editing the assortment and taking our best-selling items from one format to the next to satisfy our customers' changing needs while continuing to drive productivity.

  • Key consumer trends going forward that are becoming more important to our core consumers include healthier, better-for-you options and a greater fresh assortment.

  • Our range of formats positions us well to seek opportunities to capture this growing customer sentiment.

  • Given that we are still in the planning process, I look forward to sharing more with you over the coming months.

  • To support our new store growth and productivity, we continue to make investments in our distribution center network.

  • Our Janesville, Wisconsin distribution center is nearing completion with a goal to begin shipping from this facility in early 2017.

  • Our 15th distribution center in Jackson, Georgia is also under construction with a goal to begin shipping from this facility in late 2017.

  • Our third operating priority is to leverage and reinforce our positioning as a low-cost operator.

  • The team has embraced the spirit and process of zero-based budgeting that we implemented last year as part of the 2016 budget.

  • We have had great success in leveraging our culture and heritage of cost management with our zero-based budgeting program across our cost structure.

  • As we enter year two of our zero-based budgeting process, the team is actively working on a pipeline of additional future savings opportunities across the Company leveraging process improvement, procurement and prioritization to remove costs that don't affect the customer experience.

  • Our fourth operating priority is to invest in our people.

  • We believe that our people are our competitive advantage.

  • In the third quarter, we redesigned our store manager training program and, while it is still early, we are seeing almost a 20% improvement in satisfaction scores from those store managers who have gone through the program.

  • We have exciting opportunities ahead of us.

  • Our test-and-learn program is a foundation of our continual improvement.

  • We believe we are positioning Dollar General to be even more relevant to help our customers save time and money now and in the future.

  • We remain confident in our long-term growth prospects of the Company and are moving quickly and deliberately to restore traffic to our stores.

  • Our stores are prepared for the holidays and we have strong plans in place for the remainder of the holiday selling season with exciting gifts, decor, toys and other holiday necessities and multiple avenues to save in store and online.

  • Our customers can take advantage of our holiday offerings and stretch their holiday budget even further.

  • Our long-term commitment to growth and shareholder value is unchanged.

  • We have a business model that is proven and resilient.

  • We have strong new store economics with returns above 20% and a payback under two years.

  • Our team is energized to seize growth opportunities.

  • Our business generates significant cash flow and we are in a position to invest in accelerated store growth, as well as our mature store base while continuing to return cash to shareholders through consistent share repurchases and anticipated dividends.

  • We remain very excited about our business over time.

  • In closing, I want to recognize the more than 120,000 Dollar General employees who serve our customers every day.

  • We are in the midst of our busiest season in retail and our customers are depending on us for convenience and everyday low prices.

  • I want to thank all of our employees for their contributions to our mission of serving others.

  • With that, Mary Winn, we would now like to open the lines for questions.

  • Mary Winn Pilkington - VP, IR & Public Relations

  • Thank you.

  • Kayla, we will look to take the first question please.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • (Operator Instructions).

  • Michael Lasser, UBS.

  • Michael Lasser - Analyst

  • Good morning.

  • Thanks for taking my question.

  • Based on the initiatives that you've deployed and what you saw in October, Todd, do you think you are at the point where you can start to see some more consistent gains in your traffic, or is your expectation that traffic is just going to be lumpy from here for at least the near term?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • Mike, that's a great question.

  • As we came out of October and then into November, we saw continued traction from those initiatives.

  • It was great to see that our pricing initiatives started to really take hold, as well as all the initiatives that we really launched in early 2016 around our merchandising pieces.

  • Those continued to gain traction throughout the year and especially in the third quarter and now into the fourth.

  • But keep in mind that we are still seeing those headwinds from the SNAP participation rates being down, as well as deflation.

  • So a little choppiness is probably the right way to look at it, but we are very encouraged on how we see our initiatives taking hold and taking shape and, again, as we saw our comp sales improving throughout the quarter, and especially in October and now moving into November, we feel good about a lot of the initiatives that we've put in place.

  • Michael Lasser - Analyst

  • And my follow-up question is could you dimension the performance of those stores -- the 17% of the stores that you made those price investments and are those outperforming the chain average?

  • And are you seeing a lift to the entire store so that the customer coming in and buying the discretionary goods as well to offset some of the gross margin pressure that you are probably seeing from those investments?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • That's another great question because, as we stated earlier on, it takes a little time for these price investments to take hold with the consumer, but the great thing is, as we moved through Q3, we saw units, transactions and sales starting to build momentum and actually as we exited Q3 and entered Q4, we even saw a further acceleration of that whereas we have actually crossed over where we are now returning pretty nicely on our investment.

  • So, again, in the quarter, quarter three, we spent a little bit to get it moving, but now it's really starting to pick up, so we feel good about where it is headed.

  • Operator

  • Alan Rifkin, BTIG.

  • Alan Rifkin - Analyst

  • So it appears from looking at your revenue (technical difficulty).

  • Mary Winn Pilkington - VP, IR & Public Relations

  • Alan, I'm sorry to interrupt, but we are having a real hard time hearing you.

  • Alan Rifkin - Analyst

  • Thank you for taking my question.

  • In looking at your comp gains with respect to categories, it seems as if the categories that had consumables where arguably the deflation is greatest, they are actually outperforming some of the more discretionary categories like apparel and home that has actually less deflation.

  • Can you help explain that apparent anomaly?

  • And then I do have a follow-up.

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • The real thing to look at there is that a lot of our initiatives coming into the year 2016 were around those traffic-driving areas.

  • So again around perishables in the food areas and immediate consumption.

  • So while we are facing great headwinds on deflation there, what we are starting to see is that those initiatives are overtaking even some of those deflationary pressures.

  • But make no mistake, those headwinds are pretty strong and that's why we said we feel pretty good about where we are headed because those initiatives are really taking hold in those categories and we look at this pretty transitory and as those deflationary pressures hopefully start to ease mid-next year, when we pop out on the other side, we should be in very good shape because of the initiatives that we deployed to include some of the traffic-driving initiatives around our pricing that we have recently implemented are in a lot of those consumable, high-discretionary categories that are out there for the consumer.

  • So I think, all in all, we made the right decisions and as we come out of this, we should be in much better shape.

  • Alan Rifkin - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Thank you.

  • And, Todd, if I may, you said that while most of your leases are 2017 you are committed to, did you give any consideration to possibly slowing down the 1,000 new stores that are now earmarked for 2017 just in case things are not as transitory as what you hope they will be?

  • And in that regard, if in fact the environment continues to be difficult for longer than what you foresee, what incremental efforts with respect to zero-based budgeting could possibly be implemented to help rein in the cost structure?

  • Thank you.

  • John Garratt - EVP & CFO

  • Good questions.

  • To start with the question around real estate, the way we see it now, this is something we watch very closely; monitor the sales performance and the returns.

  • And we continue -- as we mentioned in our prepared remarks, we continue to see the stores open as expected at the 80% to 85% sales productivity.

  • We continue to see the returns above 20% above our target.

  • We continue to see paybacks of less than two years and given the low-risk, low-cost, high-return opportunity we see here, we are proceeding, but watching it very carefully and understand that this is something that we could dial back quickly if needed, but based on the great results we continue to see and the belief that the pressures on the comps are largely transitory in nature, we don't see a need to do that thus far, but we will closely manage that.

  • And in terms of the second question around zero-based budgeting, our ability to dial back that even more, we are very pleased with the performance that we've seen with zero-based budgeting when you consider in the difficult environment we have been operating, the team has done a phenomenal job managing costs, looking at everything through the lens of does it touch the customer; is it aligned with our strategic priorities; does not doing this put the business at risk.

  • And so we have and are going to continue to go after all the cost we can continually, but thoughtfully in making sure that over time we are also, as we manage the business for the long term, investing in those initiatives that will drive long-term growth.

  • But rest assured the team is hard at work on zero-based budgeting; it is performing better than expected this year.

  • When you consider if you exclude the impact of the relocations with the acquired stores and the disaster-related cost, we would be leveraging our SG&A at a 0.9% comp versus the stated target at the beginning of the year where we lowered it from 3.5% to it creeping up toward 4% to 2.5% to 3%.

  • So we are ahead of schedule, feel great about what we've done.

  • We will be very balanced going forward and doing the right things for the business for the long term.

  • Operator

  • John Heinbockel, Guggenheim Securities.

  • John Heinbockel - Analyst

  • So a couple things on pricing.

  • It sounded to me like right now there is no plan to expand the scope of those price cuts.

  • Is that right?

  • Is the average cut still about 10% on those items and then what kind of competitive response, if any, have you seen?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • John, we are continuing to monitor the investment that we did make in pricing.

  • Remember, it's really only a quarter old right now and while we are very pleased and we are gaining traction, we are going to continue to monitor it to ensure that we've got the right items and it's driving the proper returns that we expect to get from that.

  • So I think it's fair to say that we will continue to monitor that for a bit longer.

  • And as you look at it, yes, we see that when you look at the competitive environment for Q2, it's been about -- I'm sorry, Q3 -- it's been about the same as Q2.

  • So, overall, I would tell you that it's aggressive out there, but not anymore than we've seen in Q2 and I'm sure when we monitor prices -- everyone monitors prices -- and we look at what everyone else is doing, but I can tell you that what we are squarely focused on is what we can control and driving traffic into our stores and being there for our consumer.

  • So we are pretty pleased on what we've seen so far.

  • John Heinbockel - Analyst

  • Well, let me follow up to that.

  • If you think about -- it's really two things, one more theoretical and one more real.

  • If you look at the items where you have cut pricing on, are you getting a better response where there is or is not cost deflation?

  • Just theoretically, high level, do you think price investments work better -- when we start to reflate, is it better to hold back pricing then when all the competition is raising price, rather than cut now when everybody has the potential to take pricing down because their costs are falling?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • When we look at the 450 or so items that we've taken price on, I can tell you that, in face of deflation, we are still seeing the entire store really start to react in a real positive manner on the sales side.

  • Some of those items are not reacting the way we thought.

  • We will roll some off.

  • We will roll some new ones on.

  • And as you could imagine, some that have heavy deflationary pressures, the top line may not be as robust, but, again, it's not always about the sales piece right offhand.

  • Eventually it is, but it's about driving traffic and units through the store and we've always said that we are going to do everything we have to do to drive traffic, John, and we continue to do that because we believe, through any economic cycle, whether it be deflationary or inflation, that if you are there for the consumer when she needs you the most, that when you come out the other side of those economic times, she's going to stick with you.

  • We've proven that time and time again and I believe this will be no different.

  • Operator

  • Karen Short, Barclays.

  • Karen Short - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my question.

  • I actually just wanted to clarify on the 17% of the store base, are your comps in those stores positive currently?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • Again, when you look at in aggregate -- we look at it by geographic area and of course, in aggregate and, again, we are pretty happy with what we are seeing there and the great thing about the comps in those stores that it's lifting both consumables and non-consumables.

  • It started with more the consumable areas, as you can imagine, but as we started to build not only units going through the register because of the better prices; when we started to see traffic start to increase because of word-of-mouth getting out there plus our advertising, we are now starting to see transactions start to move through and more sales.

  • So we are pretty happy with where it is right now.

  • It is still early, but it's doing exactly what we thought it would do and actually on the sales side maybe even a bit little better than we thought it would do this early on.

  • Karen Short - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • That's helpful.

  • So I guess I am just wondering with all that success why you wouldn't consider rolling this out to a greater percent of the store base or potentially broadening it to a greater number of SKUs?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • We are very much a real disciplined company and we want to make sure that we are doing exactly what's right for the profitability of the Company at the end of the day.

  • So this is a real test and learn for us, but it's a pretty big one.

  • 17% of the store base today has these prices in it, so I think it's prudent to give it a little bit more time to percolate, if you will and to continue to grow.

  • And as that happens and we see it performing the way we think it is going to perform, then as we get into next year, I think we will continue to look at ways to expand that and to be there for our customer to continue to give her that everyday low price that she needs.

  • Operator

  • Stephen Tanal, Goldman Sachs.

  • Alison Levens - Analyst

  • Good morning.

  • This is Alison Levens on for Stephen.

  • Thanks for taking our question.

  • Can you provide more detail around gross margin in the quarter?

  • Specifically can you quantify the impact of price investment versus inventory clearance?

  • John Garratt - EVP & CFO

  • Sure.

  • So after driving six straight quarters of expansion in Q3, we did have contraction of 49 basis points in Q3.

  • The key drivers there were markdowns, mix and inventory shrink.

  • Markdowns being the most significant driver that was listed first, and that was both in consumables and non-consumables.

  • First, as we moved through inventory with clearance of markdowns to keep the inventory fresh.

  • The good news here is that the quality of the inventory is in great shape.

  • And then also with the tougher sales environment in Q3, we had an additional promotional activity as we mentioned with the goal of driving the top line and are pleased with the results we are seeing and the learnings we've captured from that to be more targeted, more focused on targeted pricing in EDLP and optimizing the spend for maximum results going forward.

  • And again, pleased with the momentum we saw coming out of the quarter and into this quarter.

  • So those were the key drivers there.

  • We feel like with the actions we've taken here, that's the best actions for the long term and I think with the learnings going forward we will be able to be more targeted with this and continue to see opportunity over the long term managing the various levers.

  • We continue to see opportunity to reduce shrink over time, supply chain efficiencies, strong category management and opportunities around increased foreign sourcing and private label penetration as we look at the long term.

  • Alison Levens - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Thanks.

  • Very helpful and then just as a follow-up, can you provide more detail regarding what changed with respect to the SNAP headwinds in 3Q versus 2Q?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • When we look at it, it was about the same.

  • When we look at our SNAP-affected states, I will give you a little color.

  • Really what is interesting here is a lot like Q2, Q3 was pretty close to about the same, but if you look at it, it affects about 56% of our store base in the states that have reduced or eliminated these SNAP benefits and those states that have had the reduction or elimination, they are approximately 100 basis points worse in comp.

  • That gives you a real good idea of how impactful those SNAP benefit reductions have been.

  • Again, we feel it is transitory.

  • We will move through that as we move through 2017, but, right now, that's why we have really taken a real hard look at reducing prices for those core consumers, especially in and around those states because they need us right now based on what we see.

  • Operator

  • Peter Keith, Piper Jaffray.

  • Peter Keith - Analyst

  • Good morning, guys.

  • Thanks for taking the question.

  • When you look at the deflation and SNAP headwinds of 150 to 175 basis points, if we were to add that back in, you would still be below your long-term guide of 2% to 4%.

  • Just looking forward, do you think as these headwinds abate that you would see some acceleration in traffic to get you back up into that range and what might be driving that?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • When you look at it, we feel pretty good about a lot of the initiatives that we've got in play.

  • We feel good about early on the initiatives for 2017 as we start to really shape those up.

  • We had a little bit of a Halloween drag in Q3 that has moved into Q4 for us.

  • And not to make any excuses, but there's definitely some headwinds there, but I think what we are really focused on here is a lot of the great things that we have moving that we believe are going to be real positives to our same-store sales as we move into 2017 and some of these transitory effects start to abate and we start to see that the consumer starts to come back in the store, as well as those deflationary pressures starting to ease.

  • Over the long term, we believe that we could have comps in that 2% to 4% range over the long term.

  • Peter Keith - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Thank you, Todd.

  • And maybe for John, just two unrelated quick follow-ups.

  • Number one, could you quantify the Halloween impact on Q3 comp and then, secondly, I was unclear on how you are managing the overtime rule change announcement from last week with the injunction that was placed.

  • Are you going forward with the changes, or are you putting a pause on it to see how that transpires?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • I will take the second one first and have John quantify the Halloween impact for you.

  • Right now, with the stay that is out there, we have communicated to our stores that we are in a holding pattern for right now to see exactly what happens in the courts and see exactly what transpires.

  • So we are on hold and the operating group has done a fabulous job in communicating that to our folks and we are going to wait and see.

  • So, we, like you, will wait and see what happens, but at the end of the day, we always do what's right for our employees.

  • And, again, that's one of our four operating priorities is really taking care of our people.

  • So we will do what's right by them as we continue to move into 2017.

  • John Garratt - EVP & CFO

  • In terms of the Halloween shift, the impact we believe it to be about 20 basis points impact on comps and the Halloween shift had to do with two fewer selling days this quarter as the quarter ended on October 28 this year versus October 30 last year.

  • But about 20 basis points.

  • Operator

  • John Zolidis, Buckingham Research.

  • John Zolidis - Analyst

  • Good morning.

  • You mentioned that you are very focused on doing what it takes to drive traffic.

  • And so my question is related to the long-term earnings growth target that you provided back earlier in this year of 10% to 15%, which I believe assumed relatively flat or slightly up EBIT margins.

  • So my question is can you make this price investment to drive traffic and still hold EBIT flat, or would you be willing to sacrifice some EBIT margin to get incremental people through the door?

  • Thanks.

  • John Garratt - EVP & CFO

  • Yes.

  • So bear in mind the model is a long-term growth model and that's really where our focus is on over the long term and we've said that, from time to time, we will, as needed, make investments to do what's right to drive traffic and to drive that long-term growth.

  • And so we will do what we need to in that regard.

  • But as I step back and just look at the fundamentals of the business, I still feel great about this business as you look at the organic growth opportunity, the great returns we continue to see from the new stores, with the actions we are taking to reinvigorate the comp sales growth and with all the levers we have in gross margin and SG&A with the addition of zero-based budgeting and with the tremendous amount of cash this business throws off that we can reinvest in new stores, in the business, while providing a very compelling total shareholder return with the addition of dividends and share repurchases.

  • Feel great about the model and the long-term prospects, but it's a long-term model.

  • We will do what we need to and invest where we need to along the way.

  • John Zolidis - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • And just a second question on a different topic.

  • You mentioned that the traditional DG format is your highest-return format.

  • You've got about 1,000 openings for next year.

  • Can you give us a rough breakdown of openings by format?

  • Thanks.

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • Yes.

  • Again, overwhelmingly, the Dollar General traditional store, that 7,300 square foot store that we talk about, will be the dominant -- by far -- the dominant player there.

  • I believe we are going to have about 150 to 160 of the smaller format stores next year in key metro and rural areas to augment that, but overall it will be that 7,300 square foot store.

  • Operator

  • Vincent Sinisi, Morgan Stanley.

  • Vincent Sinisi - Analsyt

  • Good morning.

  • Thanks very much for taking my question.

  • Appreciate the incremental color on the current headwinds, deflation, SNAP.

  • You said competition about the same as last quarter.

  • Just wanted to see if you could give any further color around -- the low-end consumer health was one of the other things that you more specifically called out last quarter versus then what are you seeing now either by basket, geography, etc.?

  • That would be great.

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • Interestingly, we talk to our consumers each and every quarter through panel data, as well as we bring them in and talk to them in general.

  • And I can tell you, as late as mid-third quarter, they were telling us that their sentiment -- feeling -- is even more dire than it was in previous quarters in early 2016, and what they are citing and continue to cite is the rising healthcare costs that they are facing.

  • I don't believe any of our core customers realized what they were up against on those rising costs.

  • And then rental costs continue, and they call that out second on paying rent because most of our, again, core customers rent, don't own and those rents are going up across the nation at a pretty high rate.

  • And they have to continue to allocate their spending.

  • So anywhere they are saving, they are doing some things a little differently than they have done before.

  • For instance, they are investing in smartphone technology at a greater rate than we've ever seen and those come with an expense; as we all know a monthly expense.

  • And so the little bit of money that she may have from maybe lower gas prices and some other tailwinds, she is moving into a little bit of a technology world herself, very slowly albeit, but she is moving there.

  • So we are hearing a lot of the same things we've heard over the last couple quarters, but what was interesting to us was that she was feeling worse off today, middle of that third quarter, than she was earlier in the year.

  • John Zolidis - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • All right.

  • That's helpful, Todd.

  • Thank you.

  • Just a quick follow-up.

  • Just going back to your initiatives.

  • Like you said, it seems like a pretty similar scope at least going forward, but if we try to reconcile what may be working better or worse than you thought and even going back to Alan's question on consumables/non-consumables performance, as you are taking a broader view, do you think that there could be any change to the focus of consumables versus non-consumables, or maybe some greater or less than that 10% pricing that you had cited last quarter?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • As we look at the entire box -- and we've got one of the most robust category management processes and teams in consumable retailing today, they do a great job in evaluating each and every year what should be inside of our stores and what those initiatives should be.

  • And we've always said that the consumable initiatives and the consumable products will drive traffic and our non-consumable businesses will drive the basket.

  • We see that no differently.

  • And actually we've seen our non-consumable business tail off along with our consumable business as that customer pulled back and especially in these SNAP-affected states.

  • Saying that, a lot of our initiatives for this year and next year are both in consumables and in non-consumables because we believe that you have to have a fine balance between the two to really round out the shopping experience for the consumer.

  • And so we are looking at it really no differently.

  • Now, in consumables, there may be some differences in some of the products that we bring in because, again, our consumer is starting to look for better-for-you, more healthy, a little bit more fresh products, and the great thing about having the market stores, the 150 or 160 market stores that we have, as well as our Plus stores, we are able to infuse the best learnings and products into our traditional stores from those formats.

  • So there isn't any test-and-learn periods.

  • We know what works and we continue to bring those type of products to market in our 7,300 square foot store and you'll see even more of that maybe even on a little accelerated rate as we move into 2017 because, again, our consumer preferences are changing.

  • Operator

  • [Brandon Fletcher], Bernstein.

  • Brandon Fletcher - Analyst

  • As a retail veteran who has done this in dozens of countries, I just want to say you guys are doing it right.

  • You are doing it carefully, test and control and the willingness to refine it is rare among leadership and so just hang in there.

  • You guys are getting it right.

  • Our question is actually related to HBA.

  • One of the things that the merchants were excited about in the Investor Day was that was a place where a little more SKU, a little more brand, a little more focus could give you something your customers need and also places where you have an enormous price advantage to your convenient pharmacist.

  • How are those initiatives going?

  • Just wanted to get some color on that.

  • Thanks, guys.

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • Yes, the health and beauty initiatives, especially around health, has been one of our really shining stars of 2016 so far.

  • Those initiatives have been doing very well.

  • Remember, they fall into our consumable world as it relates to how we report and how you see those numbers and they've been doing well.

  • We still believe we have a lot of opportunity there and a lot of it really revolves around awareness, and while we have made great strides over the last five to six years on building loyalty in our HBA area, we believe we still have a lot to go, not only in SKU proliferation there, probably more awareness and the ability for our consumers to know we have the products that she needs.

  • And the great thing is, it at a fabulous price, especially to our competition in the drug side and the grocery side of the equation.

  • So as she learns and sees that those products are there and she sees the great price, we've got her for life and I think it's about awareness for her and that's what we are going to work on into 2017.

  • Brandon Fletcher - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Thanks.

  • Operator

  • Matthew Boss, JPMorgan.

  • Matthew Boss - Analyst

  • Todd, on learnings from this pricing initiative, I know we've had a number of questions around it, but you've done something like this in the past.

  • How would you compare what you are seeing today from these metrics to the 2013 roadmap and what was the timeline back then that it took to see the traffic return?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • A little bit different time and date, but I can tell you that it's a lot like 2013.

  • I could tell you though that what we saw in 2013 versus 2016 is transactions actually started to get more traction this time around than even in 2013, which has probably translated into a little bit better of a sale than we thought we were going to get by now and just moving into a profitable ROI on that.

  • So it has actually ramped up a little faster and I think a lot of that also has to do with -- we were a little bit more aggressive this time on how we communicated that to the consumer, as well as our operating group did a fabulous job executing, signing packages, as well as our other in-store communications.

  • So while I would love to be able to compare it, it is a little different, but I can tell you that we are happy with what we have seen so far.

  • Matthew Boss - Analyst

  • Great.

  • And then just on the gross margin front, as we think about some of the headwinds this quarter that hit you, as we think about you going forward, should we consider similar gross margin pressure through the front half of 2017?

  • Just any color on the puts and takes there would be helpful.

  • John Garratt - EVP & CFO

  • In terms of 2017, we are still in the budgeting process and we aren't going to provide any updates on that at this stage.

  • We will in the next call.

  • But, again, with gross margin, our focus is on the long term here and continue to see a lot of opportunities managing the various levers and look to balance gross margin on SG&A to offset things.

  • So, certainly, in a challenging environment, you do have the pressure of delivering that everyday low price, but we have a lot of other levers that we will look to manage effectively as we have in the past to balance that out to drive that growth while delivering bottom-line results.

  • Matthew Boss - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Best of luck.

  • Operator

  • Brad Thomas, KeyBanc Capital Markets.

  • Brad Thomas - Analyst

  • Good morning.

  • Thank you for taking my question.

  • You all have done a lot of interesting work on customer segmentation that you shared with us back in March.

  • I was wondering, as you reflect on the traffic trends that you've seen over the last couple of quarters, if there are any interesting insights that you are able to share about the segmentations of your customer?

  • Todd Vasos - CEO

  • Yes.

  • Again, as I mentioned earlier, we go out and talk to the customer each and every quarter and again, I believe that the majority of what we communicated to everyone earlier in the year pretty well is still well intact as far as the consumer is concerned except for the notion that she may be a little worse off today economically than she was even earlier in the year, at least her sentiment is a little less positive.

  • But in saying that, we are still seeing what we affectionately call our BFF, which is our core best customers continue to really resonate with our everyday low price and through Q3 with all the traffic-driving initiatives we did, what really stuck and resonated the most was everyday low price and that really goes to show you that the segmentation work that we do is right on and key and that is our best customers look to us to deliver everyday low price first because she needs to count on us each and every day.

  • But beyond that, we are still seeing a healthy customer base outside of our core.

  • Some of our reach customers, we are still seeing trade in and trade down-type customers coming in, and we are still seeing a decent millennial-type customer that really just started to emerge and that's some of the reasons we are looking at even more better-for-you and healthier, as well as maybe some fresh options as we go forward because that consumer is really starting to emerge as a real player here at Dollar General.

  • Brad Thomas - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Very helpful, Todd.

  • Thank you so much.

  • Mary Winn Pilkington - VP, IR & Public Relations

  • Operator, I think we have hit the top of the hour, let's probably go end our call now, but I want to thank everybody for being on the call and if you have any questions, Matt and I are both around, so feel free to give me or Matt a call.

  • Operator

  • Okay.

  • Thank you, ma'am.

  • Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference call.

  • We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your lines.