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  • Operator

  • Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q4 2013 Commercial Vehicle Group, Incorporated earnings conference call.

  • My name is Michelle, and I will be your operator for today.

  • (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes.

  • I would now like to hand over the call to Mr. John Hyre, Director of Investor Relations.

  • Please proceed, sir.

  • John Hyre - Director, IR

  • Thank you.

  • And I'd like to welcome everyone to our conference call this morning.

  • Rich Lavin, our CEO, will give a brief Company update, and Tim Trenary, our CFO, will then take you through our 2013 fourth-quarter and year-end results.

  • We'll then open to a question-and-answer session.

  • I would like to remind you that this conference call is being webcast.

  • It may also contain forward-looking statements including, but not limited to, expectations for future periods regarding market trends, cost saving initiatives, and new product initiatives, among others.

  • Actual results may differ from anticipated results because of certain risks and uncertainties.

  • These risks and uncertainties may include, but are not limited to, the economic conditions in the markets in which CVG operates; fluctuations in the production volumes of vehicles for which CVG is a supplier; financial covenant compliance and liquidity; risks associated with conducting business in foreign countries and currencies; and other risks detailed in our SEC filings.

  • I would like to now turn the call over to Rich.

  • Rich Lavin - President & CEO

  • Thanks, John.

  • Good morning, everybody, and welcome to our call.

  • As we mentioned in our earnings release, our full-year 2013 revenues were primarily impacted by an 11% decrease in North American truck production when compared to full-year 2012.

  • During 2013 our global construction revenues also declined when compared to 2012, principally due to customer destocking and industry declines in the end markets and regions CVG serves.

  • Despite these market challenges, we're pleased that the cost savings actions we took in previous quarters are reflected in our improved performance.

  • As part of our efforts to improve our cost structure, we initiated a reduction in force that eliminated approximately 5% of our salaried staff.

  • We also closed two facilities in North America.

  • However, I would like to emphasize that we are not just focused on cost reduction actions.

  • We plan to continue investing in our diversification strategy to grow CVG, improve results, and make the Company less cyclical over the long term.

  • Over the summer we began an in-depth evaluation of our business, which led to the identification of a number of key initiatives intended to enhance our growth prospects and profitability.

  • Going forward, those initiatives will support our goal to build a performance-based culture concentrated on three key areas: best products, best people, and best culture.

  • As you know, CVG has been a product-focused organization and we will remain a product-focused organization going forward.

  • As demonstrated by our North American truck business, we have world-class processes in place to design, manufacture and introduce products that meet our customers' expectations.

  • As we make plans to grow our business globally, we anticipate customer expectations in markets outside the US will be different in terms of technology, features, and price points.

  • With that in mind, during the year we reorganized the CVG leadership team to become much more sharply focused on global customer needs.

  • We now have three global end-market-focused divisions, each led by a president with global accountability and a mandate to manage their respective businesses from a customer perspective.

  • This mandate covers the design, manufacture, marketing, sales and overall profitability of their portion of CVG's global business.

  • These business units are defined as global truck and bus; global construction, ag, and military; and global aftermarket and structures.

  • The purpose is to establish an executive leadership team that is globally focused and intensely concentrated on every customer's unique needs and expectations.

  • We intend to continue to build on our very strong position in the North American heavy truck market.

  • We believe, however, that significant opportunities for growth are based outside the mature North American market, principally in China and the broader Asia-Pacific region.

  • We also believe we have significant opportunity to leverage our existing product lines of product development expertise into organic growth, particularly in the construction and agricultural end markets.

  • Beyond international growth, we know opportunity exists for us to further penetrate construction and agriculture within North America.

  • We continue to be very confident in the industries we serve: transportation, construction, mining and agriculture.

  • Growing populations and increasing urbanization, particularly in China and other developing markets, will drive demand for heavy duty trucks to deliver goods and materials; mining equipment to enable extraction of the commodities needed to support infrastructure needs; construction equipment to build the roads, bridges, ports, and infrastructure that accompany urban expansion; and agriculture equipment to plant and harvest the crops needed to feed an increasing global population.

  • We supply and support the OEMs that build the machines that will meet these growing needs and we are working to ensure we continue to provide each of our OEM customers with highly differentiated value-adding cab systems and components as demand for their products grows.

  • China continues to be a very important market for us and we're optimistic about our ability to build our business in line with growing demand for transportation, construction, mining and agricultural products.

  • Although GDP growth forecasts for China are not at the double-digit levels enjoyed by China over more than a 30-year period, they are still projected to be in the 7% to 7.5% range for 2014 and going forward.

  • And this is a growth rate applied to an economy that is much larger today than it was five years ago when China's GDP was growing at 11% and 12%.

  • In China, we've been successful in developing opportunities with a number of multinational and domestic construction equipment OEMs.

  • And we've established supply arrangements with several Chinese truck OEMs, including Foton.

  • Although the level of demand from Foton has not ramped up in line with our early expectations, in part due to increasing local competition, we are continuing to work with Foton on the design and development of their next-generation truck seat and we expect to maintain a strong relationship with Foton going forward.

  • At the same time, we are developing supply opportunities with other Chinese OEMs and are confident that our overall business will develop consistent with our expectations.

  • Our broader corporate strategy also includes a new emphasis on stronger marketing and new product development initiatives that will improve our product design and the introduction processes in our go-to-market capability.

  • We recently implemented a product line organizational structure to better enable execution of our long- and short-term product and go-to-market strategies.

  • This included new product line manager positions for each key end market to establish common solutions to meet our customers' needs and to streamline and standardize internal practices.

  • The product managers will have full P&L responsibility, as well as marketing, research, and sales coverage accountabilities.

  • To deliver improved financial results, our plan calls for us to continue to make sure we're driving best practices, peak productivity and efficiency, and the highest quality in every one of our manufacturing facilities around the world.

  • In addition to process improvement, we're focused on the hiring, training and developing every one of our employees in a culture that both empowers and enables them to make CVG a highly competitive global supplier.

  • Finally, many of you ask about our M&A strategy.

  • We will continue to examine acquisition candidates that meet our strategic growth criteria and present opportunities for CVG.

  • However, we will be sharply focused on organic growth opportunities and global expansion plans in the coming years.

  • As we move into 2014 and continue the execution phase of our initial plan, we envision a Company that will be more efficient, that offers best-in-class, value-adding products for our customers, that is more global and that is better engaged with our customers around the world.

  • Looking forward, we're encouraged by CVG's potential for increased organic growth and deeper penetration of our end markets.

  • We believe that over the long term our efforts will deliver improved results and increased shareholder value.

  • And with that, I'll turn the call over to Tim for comment.

  • And we look forward to the Q&A period.

  • Thank you.

  • Tim Trenary - EVP & CFO

  • Thank you, Rich.

  • As compared to the prior year, 2012, our top line and therefore our financial results were adversely affected by reduced builds in the North American heavy-duty truck market and by decreased production volumes in certain parts of the global construction equipment market we serve.

  • In 2013 we took actions to improve our cost structure, to enhance our margins, and to otherwise position the Company to benefit from a number of operating initiatives at CVG.

  • Regarding fourth-quarter 2013 financial results, revenues were $183 million, an increase of $9.7 million, or 6%, compared to the fourth quarter of 2012.

  • On a sequential basis, that is compared to the third quarter of 2013, our revenue declined $4.9 million, or by 3%.

  • Operating income in the fourth quarter was $8 million compared to an operating loss of $2.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2012.

  • Compared to the third quarter of 2013 our operating income increased $11.4 million on a $4.9 million decrease in revenues.

  • Net income for the quarter was $1.1 million, or $0.04 of EPS on a fully-diluted basis.

  • Our financial results in the fourth quarter benefited from actions taken during the year, including some manufacturing capacity rationalization earlier in the year and a reduction in force and reduced spending on certain discretionary items later in the year.

  • With respect to full-year 2013 financial results, revenues for the year ended December 31, 2013 were $747.7 million compared to $857.9 million from the prior year.

  • This was a decrease of $110.2 million, or 13%, due primarily to a decrease in North American Class 8 production volume and reduced construction market revenue.

  • Operating income for 2013 was $6.4 million compared to $44.1 million in the prior year.

  • Net loss for the year ended December 31, 2013 was $12.4 million, or $0.44 per diluted share, compared to net income of $50 million, or $1.76 per diluted share in the prior year.

  • The decline in net income was a result of a decline in sales volume due to market conditions and an income tax benefit of $27 million recorded for the year ended December 31, 2012, primarily related to the release of a valuation allowance.

  • As has been previously disclosed, pretax 2013 net income was impacted by $2.5 million in expenses associated with the executive leadership change, $1.8 million of charges for employee separations, $2.8 million of third-party consulting services, and $2.7 million of impairments of manufacturing equipment and IT systems.

  • SG&A for the fourth quarter was $12.3 million and $71.7 million for the year.

  • We were pleased that actions taken in the last two quarters of the year reduced our SG&A expense in the fourth quarter and therefore improved our financial results.

  • These actions represented both structural changes and near-term cost containment actions.

  • Importantly, some of the changes represent a repurposing of our historical SG&A spend that, beginning in the first quarter of 2014, will position the Company for future growth.

  • Accordingly, we anticipate that in 2014 SG&A expense will return to a level more consistent with historical results as we invest to further develop CVG.

  • These investments include the development of a centrally-led procurement organization, deployment of an institutionalized operational excellence program, and enhancements in the manner in which we go to market and develop our products.

  • Depreciation was $4.6 million in the fourth quarter and amortization was $384,000.

  • Fourth-quarter capital spending was $3.5 million.

  • For the full year 2013 depreciation was $19 million, amortization $1.6 million, and capital expenditures $14.9 million.

  • We anticipate capital spending in 2014 to approximate $20 million.

  • The effective tax rate for the year was 16%.

  • Our effective tax rate is highly sensitive to the geographic development of our earnings and other events.

  • Having said that, we expect the effective tax rate in 2014 to be in the range of 35% to 45%.

  • We finished the year with $72.7 million of cash and approximately $29.7 million of availability from our ABL.

  • Looking forward, we anticipate that 2014 North American Class 8 truck builds will be in the range of 250,000 to 275,000 units and we estimate the global construction equipment market will increase modestly in 2014 compared to 2013.

  • We expect respectable GDP growth in China.

  • For all the reasons Rich advanced in his comments, we believe there remains significant growth opportunities in the East.

  • To conclude, we finished 2013 with a solid balance sheet, a balance sheet that affords the Company flexibility in the achievement of our goals in 2014 and beyond.

  • We took a number of actions in 2013 to adjust our cost structure to better enable CVG to deliver shareholder value.

  • Our end markets appear to be reasonably healthy as we move into 2014, and we look forward to further developing CVG during the year.

  • With that, we'll open the call to questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Mike Shlisky; JP Morgan.

  • Mike Shlisky - Analyst

  • So wanted to quickly start off just with a question about your return, perhaps a ramp up of some of your SG&A spend going forward.

  • Could you maybe tell us what the cadence of how that comes back, and then perhaps how soon after it ramps do you expect to see top-line ramp as a result of your investments?

  • Tim Trenary - EVP & CFO

  • Sure.

  • Mike, we have most of the elements of our, if you will, transformed SG&A cost structure in place here in the first quarter of 2014.

  • So to the first part of your question, I would expect that the SG&A expense, beginning in the first quarter of 2014, will be more in line with the historical expense of the Company.

  • So beginning in 2014, more historical SG&A expense.

  • In terms of the impact of these actions we've taken and the repurposing, if you will, of the SG&A expense, my experience is, frankly, that it takes, generally, a reasonable amount of time for those benefits to be reflected in the Company's financial performance.

  • As you can imagine, as we institutionalize the operational excellence programs, develop the centrally-led procurement organization, it just takes a little bit of time for them to get traction and to be reflected in the financial results.

  • So I don't, frankly, anticipate a lot of financial improvement from that until later in the year.

  • Mike Shlisky - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • Thanks.

  • Then I just wanted to touch on your Class 8 truck outlook for 2014.

  • It's a pretty broad range you've got there.

  • We have seen some fairly robust orders the last few months.

  • Just wanted to see if what we're seeing in the last two months or so continues, could you see yourselves skewing towards the high end of your current outlook?

  • Or are you seeing maybe issues a little bit later on in the year that might temper your view?

  • Tim Trenary - EVP & CFO

  • Yes.

  • So, Mike, your point's well taken.

  • The order rate I think here for the last three months has been, frankly, quite handsome.

  • And should that order rate continue I would expect that the production volume during the year would be closer to the higher end of that range.

  • That would be a good thing; nice to have a tailwind for a change.

  • Rich Lavin - President & CEO

  • Mike, if I could just add to Tim's comment, we are planning at the lower end of the order range I guess at this stage.

  • But we're also planning to increase production if we see an uptick in the order rate.

  • So we're planning at the lower end of the range, but also looking forward to taking advantage of a little bit of a tailwind if order rates increase.

  • Mike Shlisky - Analyst

  • And then just to kind of follow up on that, then, last first quarter was a trough in the overall market production.

  • So looks like there could be some pretty solid double-digit, well into the 20% growth range here in the first quarter.

  • Is that in line with kind of what you've been seeing so far in the quarter?

  • And is it possible we could see some pretty decent growth in the top line year over year on that market?

  • Tim Trenary - EVP & CFO

  • Well, I would say that, given the comp with first quarter 2013, we are looking at improved, I would say, top line in the first quarter of 2014.

  • Too early to say how much we expect to see the top line improve, but I would say that with the order rate and some positive news in construction and ag, we could see an improved top line relative to first quarter 2013.

  • Mike Shlisky - Analyst

  • Great.

  • If I could just slip in one last one here on the content mix.

  • Hearing the comments from Volvo, they had some very strong orders the last few months, probably even stronger than the overall market.

  • I know in the past you've had better mix -- better content from the Volvo brands.

  • Is there a possibility that if that were to take place, could your performance in the Class 8 market outperform the overall market forecast?

  • Tim Trenary - EVP & CFO

  • Yes, that's certainly one of the things that we're looking at internally, Mike.

  • Your point about mix is spot on and that's one of the things that we're modeling as we look at first-quarter performance for CVG.

  • Mike Shlisky - Analyst

  • All right, guys, thanks so much.

  • I'll pass it along.

  • Operator

  • Robert Kosowsky; Sidoti.

  • Robert Kosowsky - Analyst

  • Just wondering, just briefly, what does repurpose of SG&A mean?

  • And could you shed a little light into what some of the expenses that were reduced, just some specifications on that?

  • Because it's hard to kind of comprehend how SG&A could have fallen by the magnitude it did in such a short period of time.

  • Tim Trenary - EVP & CFO

  • Sure.

  • So, let me explain first of all the use of this term repurposing.

  • This Company, and I guess many companies, sometimes can find ways to spend the money that they spend on items that might be more value accretive than they would otherwise be.

  • So, more specifically in our example here, Rob, as Rich mentioned, the Company undertook a reduction in force in 2013 which allowed the Company to basically take that amount of money that was being spent and to spend it on activities in 2014 and beyond that we believe we will have more benefit to the Company.

  • More specifically, as I mentioned in my comments, the development of a centrally-led procurement organization, the way we go to market, operational excellence, et cetera.

  • So when I say repurposing, that's what I mean.

  • Now, with respect to the financial results in the fourth quarter of 2013 and the reduction in the SG&A expense third to fourth quarter and quarter over quarter, not only was that reflective of the reduction in force -- we'd not sort of built out these new teams yet, so that's being implemented in 2014.

  • So we had the benefit of that through most of the fourth quarter of 2013.

  • But the quarter also benefited by a reduction in the accrual for the Company's short-term incentive plan.

  • So, as compared to previous quarters, because of the reduction in the accrual for the incentive plan in the fourth quarter, there's a benefit that's reflected in there.

  • The other item is, and I think we've mentioned this on previous calls, to the extent the Company could take actions on what I'll call discretionary spend -- by way of example, travel -- in the fourth quarter to improve our near-term financial results, we did that.

  • Now, as you can appreciate, those sorts of changes generally are not sustainable over the longer term.

  • So, as we look to the SG&A spend into 2014, I would expect those expenses to come back into the cost structure.

  • So, that's basically the reason for the reduction in the fourth quarter of 2013 and why I think that the SG&A spend will go back up in line with historical results beginning in the first quarter of 2014.

  • Rich Lavin - President & CEO

  • Rob, just let me add a comment, if I could.

  • This is I think my third results call; it's Tim's second.

  • One thing that's been consistent across each of those calls is our discussion about being focused on organic growth.

  • And so, as we looked at the Organization in the last half of 2013, in the context of the Organization, the resources that we need to drive organic growth on a global basis across our product lines, we essentially shifted SG&A from what I would characterize as nonrevenue, non-profit-generating areas of the Company into resources that are focused on driving organic growth, driving revenue, driving profitability.

  • Tim mentioned a couple of those -- the product line managers, the go-to-market resources, the global purchasing organization and resources, the product development resources.

  • I think that we're now investing in the areas that will enable us to move ahead with an aggressive organic growth strategy on a global basis.

  • Robert Kosowsky - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • That's very helpful.

  • And then, can you maybe frame the longer-term opportunity you see on the cost structure side, just as you implement the standardized production processes to the plants and the opportunity you have on raw material sourcing and utilization, and kind of how long of a process?

  • Now, I appreciate a lot of this is going to be a continual long-term exercise, but any idea of when the major heavy lifting needs to -- how long the heavy lifting needs to go on for?

  • And frame some of the margin potential down the road.

  • Tim Trenary - EVP & CFO

  • Yes.

  • So the items that you just described are items that we intend to constantly evaluate.

  • This isn't a sort of one-off exercise.

  • We intend to, in the normal course, evaluate our manufacturing capacity utilization, our footprint, our cost structures in our facilities, et cetera.

  • So as it relates to the footprint, to the extent we make additional changes, that obviously will -- the benefit of that will manifest itself in our financial results later in the year.

  • With respect to operational excellence, as I mentioned, we're rolling that out.

  • It's being institutionalized.

  • I think we've rolled it out now in three facilities that I can recall, three or four.

  • The rollout continues.

  • So as that sort of gets institutionalized we'll see some benefit of that, I hope, later in the year.

  • As it relates to your question around the procurement, we have now on board the leader of our centrally-led procurement organization.

  • He's in the process of developing his organization and staffing it.

  • Then he will be undertaking the sort of activities you would expect him to undertake to rationalize the supply base, et cetera.

  • So, frankly, the benefit of that, by the time all of that gets organized and gets implemented and analysis is done, again, that's a benefit I think that we hope will start to show up later in the year.

  • Robert Kosowsky - Analyst

  • Okay, that's helpful.

  • Do you expect all these benefits to go into new product development and increased spending on growing the sales organization?

  • Or are some of these benefits going to actually drop to the bottom line?

  • Because a lot of times companies will generate productivity and just plow that right back into growth initiatives.

  • Rich Lavin - President & CEO

  • Well, Rob, I would say it's probably going to be a combination.

  • As Tim described, especially in operational excellence and global purchasing, we're kind of in the discovery phase at this point.

  • I think, given the experiences of a number of people in the Company with global purchasing organizations and with operational excellence initiatives, we have an idea what to expect in terms of long-term savings through greater efficiencies, productivity, and leveraging synergies in the supply base.

  • Some of that will drop to the bottom line; some of that will be reinvested in the business.

  • I think it's really a question of how we see our organic growth opportunities developing in our key industries on a global basis.

  • I can't give you a percentage breakup at this point, but I can say that some will drop to the profit line, but some will also be reinvested in organic growth initiatives.

  • Robert Kosowsky - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • That's helpful.

  • And then, finally, any concrete sales leads for the new sales structure?

  • And just to kind of get a better idea of the growth opportunities.

  • You have very proven products.

  • Is there an opportunity for you to displace a competitor around something that's already in production?

  • Or will we have to wait for the next platform to be launched?

  • Rich Lavin - President & CEO

  • No, we think there are both short-term and long-term opportunities.

  • As I mentioned in my opening comments, we have I think a very proven process in working with some of the truck OEMs on a global basis.

  • So we're looking at really transitioning some of that expertise, design and process expertise, to the construction and the ag ends of the business.

  • But, again, there are going to be some short term, there are going to be some long term.

  • The key challenge I think for product line managers is to really understand the long-term development needs of our key customers, our key OEMs, and then also to work between, I would say, long-term private development stages to identify opportunities to develop sales and take share in the interim.

  • So it's going to be both.

  • It's going to be longer term, but there's also going to be some short-term opportunity that spills out of this.

  • Robert Kosowsky - Analyst

  • All right.

  • Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Gregory Macosko; Montrose Advisors.

  • Gregory Macosko - Analyst

  • With respect to the discussion of the manufacturing footprint, et cetera, and your key customers, I know in the past with respect CVGI, being very responsive to your customer's need and changes in assembly required availability of labor so that you could ramp up and down.

  • Could you talk about that and how you expect to deal with that going forward?

  • And is that something that should be of concern?

  • Tim Trenary - EVP & CFO

  • So, Greg, as I sort of think about how we evaluate and look at our footprint, at the highest level there's three sort of elements.

  • That is, the extent to which by sometimes consolidating operations we can realize manufacturing efficiencies.

  • Another sort of consideration is any logistical impact on our customers or on our Company as a consequence of moving manufacturing facilities.

  • And the third is, as you mentioned, our customers.

  • Our customers -- I don't know this to be universally true, but my experience is that they generally appreciate it when our facilities are closer rather than farther away from their facilities.

  • So to the extent we can accommodate that within the bounds of the other two considerations, we certainly do so.

  • I don't think that any of what I just said really has a whole lot of bearing on how we staff these facilities with respect to the flexibility of our labor.

  • We do try to maintain appropriate balance of labor flexibility as between full-time employees and temporary employees.

  • But I don't really think that that has a whole lot of consideration in terms of designing, if you will, our footprint.

  • Rich Lavin - President & CEO

  • Greg, just one other point.

  • I think we mentioned earlier that we're trying to drive a much sharper customer focus in the design of our products.

  • The whole footprint discussion has also been from the customer back.

  • So the objective here is to rationalize the manufacturing footprint in a way that helps our cost structure, but also in a way that does not diminish our ability to serve our end customers.

  • So I mean, the outcome here is to be in no worse position, at least no worse position in serving our customers, than we were in the footprint before we rationalized manufacturing locations.

  • Gregory Macosko - Analyst

  • Well, good.

  • It sounds like you've got everything in mind to do that.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator: Robert Kosowsky; Sidoti.

  • Robert Kosowsky - Analyst

  • Just one quick follow-up question regarding North America truck.

  • I know the order rates are very strong.

  • Have you started to pre-buy any hard-to-get materials just in case there is that spike in production rates that the industry's known to create sometimes?

  • Tim Trenary - EVP & CFO

  • Well, as I mentioned, we're taking a look at our production schedules, our materials schedules in the context of what we're forecasting in the way of increases.

  • And we're looking at the material end as well.

  • If we see that the early trend in orders is going to carry over into a much stronger truck industry in 2014, we'll certainly do what's necessary in material pre-buy to position ourselves to take advantage of that.

  • Robert Kosowsky - Analyst

  • All right.

  • Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • At this time you have no more questions.

  • (Operator Instructions) There are no more questions coming through.

  • At this time I would like to turn the call over to Rich Lavin, CEO, for closing remarks.

  • Rich Lavin - President & CEO

  • Yes.

  • Thanks, Michelle.

  • Just a couple of quick comments to wrap up the call.

  • Thanks to everybody for calling in and thanks for your questions.

  • As I mentioned earlier, this is my third results call; it's Tim's second.

  • And I hope you've seen that we have fundamentally and very purposefully changed the business in several respects.

  • We've talked about reducing SG&A and repurposing some of that spend away from what I would characterize as kind of pure overhead into areas of the Company that are going to drive organic growth, drive profitable organic growth going forward.

  • We've got a globally focused leadership team in place with end-to-end accountability for developing their global businesses.

  • We've centralized the global purchasing organization to drive synergies and cost reduction opportunities proactively with our key suppliers.

  • We've got a much sharper global focus, I think, on our overall global business portfolio.

  • And we look forward to sharing results of that focus on global organic growth with you in the future.

  • And, finally, the product line managers I think are going to be a key add to our organization, from the design of the product to go-to-market with customers, introducing I think a much better understanding of end customer expectations into our design and go-to-market strategies.

  • We talked extensively about driving global growth and I hope you see that we're now organized and resourced in a way which will enable us to move ahead with those organic growth strategies.

  • So we look forward to sharing our results in the coming quarters, and thanks again to everybody for calling in.

  • Operator

  • Thank you for your participation in today's conference.

  • This concludes the presentation.

  • You may now disconnect.

  • Please enjoy the rest of your day.