嘉年華遊輪 (CCL) 2021 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our business update conference call. I'm Arnold Donald, President and CEO of Carnival Corporation & plc. Today, I'm joined telephonically by our Chairman, Micky Arison as well as David Bernstein, our Chief Financial Officer; and Beth Roberts, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you all for joining us this morning.

大家早上好，歡迎參加我們的業務更新電話會議。我是 Carnival Corporation & plc 的總裁兼首席執行官 Arnold Donald。今天，我們的董事長 Micky Arison 以及我們的首席財務官 David Bernstein 通過電話與我會面；和投資者關係高級副總裁 Beth Roberts。感謝大家今天早上加入我們。

Now before I begin, please note that some of our remarks on this call will be forward-looking. Therefore, I must refer you to the cautionary statement in today's press release. We are absolutely thrilled to be back doing what we do best, delivering amazing, memorable vacation experiences to our guests. Our team members are overjoyed to be back on board and it shows, our guests are having a phenomenal time.

現在在我開始之前，請注意，我們對這次電話會議的一些評論將是前瞻性的。因此，我必須向您介紹今天新聞稿中的警示性聲明。我們非常高興能回到我們最擅長的領域，為我們的客人提供令人驚嘆、難忘的假期體驗。我們的團隊成員很高興回到船上，這表明我們的客人度過了一段非凡的時光。

Our onboard revenues for guests are off the charts, and our Net Promoter Scores have been exceptionally strong. I've had the pleasure of visiting a number of ships in recent weeks, both here in the U.S. and abroad. And I can tell you, the ships look spectacular, and the crew has an amazing energy. There is such an incredible spirit on board. Our protocols have been working well, beginning with a seamless embarkation experience and have enabled us to build occupancy levels at a significant pace as we return more ships to service.

我們為客人帶來的機上收入超乎想像，我們的淨推薦值也異常強勁。最近幾週，我有幸參觀了美國和國外的許多船隻。我可以告訴你，這些船看起來很壯觀，船員們精力充沛。船上有如此令人難以置信的精神。我們的協議一直運作良好，從無縫登船體驗開始，使我們能夠在更多船隻恢復服務時以顯著的速度提高入住率。

Our brands executed extremely well in this initial phase of our return to serve, particularly given significant restrictions on international travel, hampering our ability to offer our normal content risk deployment options as well as the operating requirements in certain jurisdictions that limit our normally high occupancy levels.

我們的品牌在我們重返服務的初始階段表現非常出色，特別是考慮到國際旅行受到重大限制，這阻礙了我們提供正常內容風險部署選項的能力以及某些司法管轄區的運營要求限制了我們通常的高入住率.

Now our itinerary planners came up with creative deployment alternatives, our marketing department made them accessible with little investment. Our yield managers price them appropriately to achieve occupancy targets very close to them and coupled them with bundled packages to drive exceptionally strong revenue on board. And despite all the additional protocols, our crew delivered an amazing guest experience. The combination of which enabled us to deliver cruise vacations at scale while producing significant cash from these restricted voyages.

現在，我們的行程規劃人員提出了創造性的部署替代方案，我們的營銷部門以很少的投資就可以使用它們。我們的收益經理對它們進行適當定價，以實現非常接近它們的入住率目標，並將它們與捆綁包相結合，以推動異常強勁的船上收入。儘管有所有額外的協議，我們的工作人員還是提供了令人驚嘆的賓客體驗。兩者的結合使我們能夠大規模地提供郵輪假期，同時從這些受限制的航程中產生大量現金。

Now while we normally don't disclose this level of information, we try to find a way to give you a sense of why we're viewing the restart is hugely successful beyond the enthusiasm of our guests and crew and the unprecedented Net Promoter Scores. It became complicated because most of our voyages, while cash flow positive are programs that could not be compared to 2019. And in most cases, would normally be priced lower than the 2019 alternatives. So for example, in the U.K., we're only able to offer senior cruises without any ports of call, and that's our version of vacation, on which we're not comparable in ticket prices to peak season Mediterranean or Baltic sailings offered in the summer of 2019.

現在，雖然我們通常不會透露這一級別的信息，但我們試圖找到一種方法讓您了解為什麼我們認為重啟非常成功，除了我們的客人和工作人員的熱情以及前所未有的淨推薦值。它變得複雜，因為我們的大部分航程，而正現金流是無法與 2019 年相比的計劃。在大多數情況下，通常定價低於 2019 年的替代方案。因此，例如，在英國，我們只能提供沒有任何停靠港的高級遊輪，這就是我們的假期版本，在這種情況下，我們的票價與地中海或波羅的海的旺季航行無法相提並論2019年夏天。

That said, even with occupancy limitations, these cruises generated cash for our stakeholders. They supported a return for our workforce, and they successfully serve guests, resulting in high satisfaction levels.

也就是說，即使有入住人數限制，這些遊輪也為我們的利益相關者帶來了現金。他們支持我們員工的回報，他們成功地為客人服務，從而獲得了很高的滿意度。

Now at Carnival Cruise Line, where we were able to offer more comparable itineraries for 2019, our revenue per diems were up 20% compared to 2019 and that's inclusive of the impact of incentives from previous cancellations, and that's despite the close-in nature of the bookings. In fact, Carnival Cruise Lines restarted more ships out of the United States than any of the cruise brand and still achieved occupancy above 70%, all of which combined to generate an even greater cash contribution.

現在在嘉年華郵輪公司，我們能夠在 2019 年提供更多可比較的行程，與 2019 年相比，我們的每日收入增長了 20%，這包括以前取消的激勵措施的影響，儘管有接近的性質預訂。事實上，嘉年華郵輪公司在美國以外重新啟動的船隻比任何郵輪品牌都多，但仍實現了 70% 以上的入住率，所有這些加起來產生了更大的現金貢獻。

Clearly, Carnival Cruise Line is a brand that continues to outperform. While the Delta variant and its corresponding effect on consumer confidence has certainly created a myriad of operating challenges for us to navigate in the near term and has lasted some booking volatility in August.

顯然，嘉年華郵輪公司是一個繼續表現出色的品牌。雖然達美航空的變體及其對消費者信心的相應影響確實為我們在短期內帶來了無數的運營挑戰，並在 8 月份持續了一些預訂波動。

To date, it has not had a significant impact on our ultimate plan to return our full fleet to guest operations in the spring of 2022. On our last quarterly business update, we said that we expected the environment to remain dynamic and it certainly has. Of course, agility has been a key strength of ours over the last 18 months, and we continue to aggressively manage to optimize given this ever-changing landscape.

迄今為止，它並未對我們在 2022 年春季將我們的全部機隊恢復到客戶運營的最終計劃產生重大影響。在我們上一季度的業務更新中，我們表示我們預計環境將保持活力，而且確實如此。當然，在過去 18 個月中，敏捷性一直是我們的關鍵優勢，鑑於這種不斷變化的環境，我們將繼續積極地進行優化。

In fact, while by design, we're not yet at 100% occupancy, we have individual sailings with over 4,000 guests. To date, we have carried over 0.5 million guests this year already. And on any given day, we are now successfully carrying around 50,000 guests, and expect that number to continue to rise as we introduce more capacity and as we increase occupancy over the coming months.

事實上，雖然按照設計，我們還沒有達到 100% 的入住率，但我們有超過 4,000 名客人的個人航行。迄今為止，我們今年已經接待了超過 50 萬名賓客。在任何一天，我們現在都成功地運送了大約 50,000 名客人，並預計隨著我們引入更多容量並在未來幾個月增加入住率，這一數字將繼續上升。

The Delta variant has clearly impacted our protocols, which will continue to evolve based on the local environment. In markets like the U.S., where case counts are higher, we've taken swift actions to reinforce our already strong protocol, such as additional testing requirements and indoor mask requirements with all U.S. sailings operating under the CDC's vaccination requirements. Our protocols go above and beyond the terms of the conditional sail order and are much more rigorous than comparable land-based alternative. Again, our highest responsibility and therefore, our top priority is always compliance, environmental protection and the health, safety and well-being of everyone, our guests, the people and the communities we touch and serve and of course, our Carnival family, our team members shipboard and shoreside.

Delta 變體顯然影響了我們的協議，該協議將根據當地環境繼續發展。在美國等病例數較多的市場，我們已迅速採取行動加強我們已經很強大的協議，例如所有美國航行都根據 CDC 的疫苗接種要求進行額外的測試要求和室內口罩要求。我們的協議超越了有條件航行令的條款，並且比類似的陸基替代方案更加嚴格。同樣，我們的最高責任，因此，我們的首要任務始終是合規、環境保護以及每個人、我們的客人、人民和我們接觸和服務的社區的健康、安全和福祉，當然還有我們的嘉年華大家庭，我們的團隊成員在船上和岸邊。

The Delta variant has also created some disruption in our supply chain, impacted the timing of opening for some destinations and created a heightened level of uncertainty that has been reflected in the broader travel sector and in our own booking trends. We quickly adjusted our deployment to push out the start date on a few select voyages. For some of our more exotic winter deployments like our popular world cruises, we rebooked guests for our 2023 departures. Effectively, we've managed our near-term capacity to optimize the current environment. Yes, as we indicated we would.

達美航空的變體還對我們的供應鏈造成了一些干擾，影響了一些目的地的開放時間，並造成了更大程度的不確定性，這已反映在更廣泛的旅遊業和我們自己的預訂趨勢中。我們迅速調整了我們的部署，以推遲一些選定航次的開始日期。對於我們一些更具異國情調的冬季部署，例如我們廣受歡迎的世界遊輪，我們為 2023 年的出發重新預訂了客人。實際上，我們已經管理了我們近期優化當前環境的能力。是的，正如我們所表明的那樣。

The modifications we've made to the pace of the role of our fleet will optimize our cash position in the near term. Looking forward, we continue to work towards resuming full operations in the spring, in time for our important summer season where we make the lion's share of our operating profit. Of course, we have ample liquidity to see us through to full operation. And we continue with a prudent focus on cash management to ensure we have flexibility under a multitude of scenarios. The current environment, while choppy, has improved dramatically since last summer, and it should improve even further by next summer if the current trend of vaccine rollout and advancements in therapies continues.

我們對車隊角色節奏所做的修改將在短期內優化我們的現金狀況。展望未來，我們將繼續努力在春季恢復全面運營，以趕上我們重要的夏季季節，在那裡我們將獲得大部分營業利潤。當然，我們有充足的流動性來支持我們全面運營。我們繼續謹慎地關注現金管理，以確保我們在多種情況下都具有靈活性。當前的環境雖然波濤洶湧，但自去年夏天以來已顯著改善，如果當前疫苗推出和療法進步的趨勢繼續下去，到明年夏天它應該會進一步改善。

For instance, in markets like the U.K., where vaccination rates are already higher, consumer confidence remains strong, and we are seeing strong momentum. So far, we've announced the resumption of guest cruise operations for 71 ships through next spring, and that's across 8 of our 9 brands. We're evaluating the remaining ships through next spring, with a continued focus on maximizing future cash flow while delivering a great guest experience in a way that serves the best interest of public health.

例如，在英國等市場，疫苗接種率已經較高，消費者信心依然強勁，我們看到了強勁的勢頭。到目前為止，我們已經宣佈在明年春天恢復 71 艘郵輪的客輪運營，這涉及我們 9 個品牌中的 8 個。我們將在明年春天評估剩餘的船隻，繼續關注最大化未來現金流，同時以符合公共衛生最佳利益的方式提供出色的賓客體驗。

Importantly, even at this very early stage of our rollout, our ships are generating positive cash flow. Based on our current rollout, we expect cash from operations for the whole company to turn positive at some point early next year. Looking forward, we believe we have the potential to generate higher EBITDA in 2023 compared to 2019, given despite our modest growth rate, additional capacity and our improved cost structure. As further insight into booking trends, we are well positioned to build on a solid book position and intentionally constrained capacity for the remainder of 2021 and into the first half of 2022.

重要的是，即使在我們推出的早期階段，我們的船舶也正在產生正現金流。根據我們目前的部署，我們預計整個公司的運營現金將在明年年初的某個時候轉為正數。展望未來，我們相信與 2019 年相比，我們有潛力在 2023 年產生更高的 EBITDA，儘管我們的增長率適中、產能增加且成本結構有所改善。作為對預訂趨勢的進一步洞察，我們已做好準備，在 2021 年剩餘時間和 2022 年上半年建立穩固的預訂頭寸和有意限制運力。

With the existing demand and limited capacity, we are focused on maintaining price. Even recently with heightened uncertainty from the Delta variant affecting travel decisions broadly, we continue to maintain price. We have also opened bookings earlier for cruises in 2023, and we're achieving those early bookings with strong demand and good prices. And based on that success, we've begun to launch 2024 sailings even earlier. In fact, these efforts contributed to the $630 million increase in guest deposits. Our long-term guest deposits, and that's deposits on bookings beyond 12 months are 3x historical levels, driven in part by our proactive efforts to open more inventory for sale in outer years. Now we expect guests deposits to continue to grow through the restart as we return more ships to service and as we build occupancy levels.

在現有需求和產能有限的情況下，我們專注於維持價格。即使最近由於 Delta 變體的不確定性增加，廣泛影響旅行決策，我們仍繼續維持價格。我們還提前預訂了 2023 年的遊輪，我們正在以強勁的需求和良好的價格實現這些早期預訂。基於這一成功，我們甚至更早地開始了 2024 年的航行。事實上，這些努力促成了 6.3 億美元的客人存款增加。我們的長期客人存款，即超過 12 個月的預訂存款是歷史水平的 3 倍，部分原因是我們積極努力在外部年份開放更多庫存以供銷售。現在，隨著我們讓更多船隻恢復服務並提高入住率，我們預計客人的押金將在重啟後繼續增長。

Again, these favorable trends continue despite dramatically reduced advertising expense. We continue to focus our efforts on our lower cost channels like direct marketing to our sizable past guest database of over 40 million guests. And earned media as we build on our multiple new ship launches and restart news flow. Of course, and most importantly, we are delivering on our guest experience. Word-of-mouth remains the #1 reason people take their first cruise. And as I mentioned, our Net Promoter Scores are well above historical levels across our ships that have returned to service so far.

同樣，儘管廣告費用大幅減少，但這些有利趨勢仍在繼續。我們將繼續專注於我們的低成本渠道，例如直接向我們龐大的過去客戶數據庫（超過 4000 萬客人）進行營銷。在我們建立多艘新船發布和重新啟動新聞流的基礎上，贏得了媒體。當然，最重要的是，我們正在提供我們的客戶體驗。口碑仍然是人們第一次乘坐郵輪的第一大原因。正如我所提到的，我們的淨推薦值遠高於我們迄今為止恢復服務的船舶的歷史水平。

During the quarter, we furthered our strong track record of responsibly managing the balance sheet. We completed 2 refinancing transactions, among other efforts, resulting in a meaningful reduction in annual interest expense. We have many more opportunities for refinancing ahead and are working through them at an aggressive pace. Also importantly, we have continued to make advancements in our sustainability efforts.

在本季度，我們進一步加強了負責任地管理資產負債表的良好記錄。我們完成了 2 筆再融資交易以及其他努力，從而顯著降低了年度利息支出。我們未來還有更多的再融資機會，並且正在以積極的步伐解決這些問題。同樣重要的是，我們繼續在可持續發展方面取得進展。

Last week, we published our 11th Annual Sustainability Report, Sustainable from Ship to Shore, which can be found on our sustainability website www.carnivalsustainability.com. In the report, we build on the achievement of our 2020 goal by sharing more details on our 2030 goals and our 2050 aspiration. The report shares additional light on the 6 focus areas that will guide our long-term sustainability vision, including climate action, circular economy that waste reduction, sustainable tourism, health and well-being, diversity, equity and inclusion and biodiversity and conservation. Now these areas align with United Nations' Sustainable Development Goals.

上週，我們發布了第 11 份年度可持續發展報告《從船到岸的可持續發展》，該報告可在我們的可持續發展網站 www.carnivalsustainability.com 上找到。在報告中，我們通過分享有關 2030 年目標和 2050 年願景的更多細節，以實現 2020 年目標為基礎。該報告進一步闡述了將指導我們長期可持續發展願景的 6 個重點領域，包括氣候行動、減少廢物的循環經濟、可持續旅遊、健康和福祉、多樣性、公平和包容以及生物多樣性和保護。現在，這些領域符合聯合國的可持續發展目標。

Climate action is a top sustainability focus area. We are committed to decarbonization, and we aspire to be carbon neutral by 2050. As we have previously shared, despite 25% capacity growth since that time, our absolute carbon emissions peaked in 2011 and will remain below those levels. We are working towards transitioning our energy needs to alternative use and investing in new low-carbon technologies. Now because of the pause in guest cruise operations, the 2020 sustainability performance measures are not comparable to prior year data. That said, there is a lot of valuable information on the progress we've made in our sustainability journey despite what was an incredibly challenging year.

氣候行動是最重要的可持續發展重點領域。我們致力於脫碳，我們渴望到 2050 年實現碳中和。正如我們之前所分享的，儘管自那時以來產能增長了 25%，但我們的絕對碳排放量在 2011 年達到頂峰，並將保持在這些水平以下。我們正在努力將我們的能源需求轉變為替代用途，並投資於新的低碳技術。現在，由於客輪運營暫停，2020 年的可持續發展績效指標無法與前一年的數據相提並論。就是說，儘管這一年充滿挑戰，但我們在可持續發展之旅中取得的進展有很多有價值的信息。

We were clearly among the most impacted companies by COVID-19, and I'm very proud of all we've accomplished collectively to sustain our organization through these challenging times, including all we did for our loyal guests, all we did for our other many stakeholders and all we did for each other within our Carnival family.

我們顯然是受 COVID-19 影響最大的公司之一，我為我們在這些充滿挑戰的時期為維持我們的組織所取得的集體成就感到非常自豪，包括我們為忠誠的客人所做的一切，我們為其他人所做的一切許多利益相關者以及我們在嘉年華大家庭中為彼此所做的一切。

In many regards, I believe our collective response to the pandemic is strong testimony to the sustainability of our company. For that, I again express my deepest appreciation to our Carnival team members, both shipboard and shoreside who consistently went above and beyond. I'm very humbled by the dedication I've seen in these past 18 months. Of course, we couldn't have done it without the overwhelming support from all of you who are listening on this call, all of our stakeholders. So once again, thank you to our valued guests. Thank you to our travel agent partners. Thank you to all the many communities and governments that facilitated getting our crews vaccinated. Thank you to our suppliers and our other many stakeholders. And of course, thank you to our investors for your continued confidence in us and for your ongoing support.

在許多方面，我相信我們對這一流行病的集體反應有力地證明了我們公司的可持續性。為此，我再次向我們的嘉年華團隊成員表示最深切的謝意，無論是船上還是岸上，他們一直在超越和超越。我對過去 18 個月中所看到的奉獻精神感到非常謙卑。當然，如果沒有所有正在收聽本次電話會議的各位以及我們所有的利益相關者的大力支持，我們就無法做到這一點。因此，再次感謝我們尊貴的客人。感謝我們的旅行社合作夥伴。感謝所有幫助我們的工作人員接種疫苗的社區和政府。感謝我們的供應商和其他許多利益相關者。當然，感謝我們的投資者對我們的持續信任和持續的支持。

We continue to move forward in a very positive way. Throughout the pause, we've been proactively managing to resume operations as an even stronger operating company. Our strategic decision to accelerate the exit of 19 ships left us with a more efficient and effectively and has lowered our capacity growth to roughly 2.5% compounded annually from 2019 through 2025, and that's down from 4.5% pre-COVID. We've opportunistically rebalanced our portfolio through the ship exits as well as a future ship transfer, any modification to our new build schedule to optimize our asset allocation, maximize cash generation and improve our return on invested capital.

我們繼續以非常積極的方式前進。在整個停頓期間，我們一直在積極設法恢復運營，成為一家更強大的運營公司。我們加速退出 19 艘船的戰略決策使我們的運力更加高效，並將我們的運力增長率從 2019 年到 2025 年的年復合增長率降低到大約 2.5%，低於疫情前的 4.5%。我們已經通過船舶出口以及未來的船舶轉移、對我們新建造計劃的任何修改以優化我們的資產配置、最大限度地產生現金並提高我們的投資資本回報率，機會性地重新平衡了我們的投資組合。

While capacity growth is constrained, we will benefit from an exciting roster of new ships spread across our brands, enabling us to capitalize on the pent-up demand and drive even more enthusiasm and excitement around our restart plan. And we will achieve a structural benefit to unit costs in 2023 as we introduce these new larger and more efficient ships coupled with the 19 ships leaving the fleet, which were among our least efficient with the aggressive actions we've already taken, optimizing our portfolio and reducing capacity.

雖然運力增長受到限制，但我們將受益於遍布我們品牌的令人興奮的新船名冊，使我們能夠利用被壓抑的需求，並為我們的重啟計劃帶來更多的熱情和興奮。我們將在 2023 年實現單位成本的結構性收益，因為我們引入了這些新的更大、更高效的船舶，再加上離開船隊的 19 艘船舶，在我們已經採取的積極行動中，這些船舶的效率最低，優化了我們的投資組合並減少容量。

We are well positioned to capitalize on pent-up demand and to emerge a leaner, more efficient company, reinforcing our global industry-leading position. We have secured sufficient liquidity to see us through to full operation. Once we return to full operation, our cash flow will be the primary driver to return to investment-grade credit over time, creating greater shareholder value. Again, thank you for your support, and we can't wait to welcome everyone back on board.

我們完全有能力利用被壓抑的需求，打造一家更精簡、更高效的公司，鞏固我們在全球行業的領先地位。我們已獲得足夠的流動性，以確保我們全面運營。一旦我們恢復全面運營，隨著時間的推移，我們的現金流將成為恢復投資級信用的主要驅動力，從而創造更大的股東價值。再次感謝您的支持，我們迫不及待地歡迎大家重新加入。

With that, I'll turn the call over to David.

有了這個，我會把電話轉給大衛。

Thank you, Arnold. I'll start today with a review of our guest cruise operations along with our third quarter monthly average cash burn rate. Then I'll provide an update on booking trends and finish up with some insights into our refinancing activity.

謝謝你，阿諾德。今天，我將回顧我們的賓客郵輪業務以及我們第三季度的每月平均現金消耗率。然後，我將提供有關預訂趨勢的最新信息，並對我們的再融資活動提供一些見解。

Turning to guest cruise operations. It feels so great to be talking about operations again. We started the quarter with just 5 ships in service. During the third quarter, we successfully restarted ships across 8 of our brands. We ended the quarter with 35% of our fleet capacity in service. Our plans call for another 27 ships to restart guest cruise operations during the fourth quarter and the month of December.

轉向客人郵輪業務。再次談論運營的感覺真好。我們在本季度開始時只有 5 艘船在服役。第三季度，我們成功重啟了 8 個品牌的船舶。我們在本季度末有 35% 的機隊運力投入使用。我們的計劃要求在第四季度和 12 月份再啟動 27 艘郵輪運營。

So on New Year's Day, we anticipate celebrating with 55 ships or nearly 65% of our fleet capacity back in service. For the third quarter, occupancy was 54% across the ships in service. Our brands executed extremely well. Occupancy did improve month-to-month through the quarter and in the month of August, occupancy reached 59% from 39% in June and 51% in July. Occupancy for our North American brands reflects our approach of vaccinated cruises which for the time being, does limit the number of families with children under 12 that can sail with us.

因此，在元旦，我們預計將有 55 艘船或近 65% 的船隊容量重新投入使用。第三季度，在役船舶的佔用率為 54%。我們的品牌執行得非常好。整個季度的入住率確實逐月提高，8 月份的入住率從 6 月的 39% 和 7 月的 51% 達到 59%。我們北美品牌的入住率反映了我們接種疫苗的遊輪方式，目前確實限制了可以與我們一起航行的有 12 歲以下兒童的家庭數量。

Occupancy for our European brands reflects capacity restrictions such as social distancing requirements for our Continental European brands and a 1,000-person cap per sailing for some of the quarters in the U.K. For the full third quarter, our North American brands occupancy was 68%, while for our European brands, occupancy was 47%. Revenue per passenger cruise day in the third quarter 2021 increased compared to a strong 2019 despite the current constraints on itinerary offerings which did not include many of the higher-yielding destination-rich itineraries offered in 2019.

我們歐洲品牌的入住率反映了運力限制，例如我們對歐洲大陸品牌的社交距離要求以及英國某些季度每次航行 1,000 人的上限。在整個第三季度，我們的北美品牌入住率為 68%，而對於我們的歐洲品牌，入住率為 47%。與 2019 年強勁的 2019 年相比，2021 年第三季度的每位乘客郵輪日收入有所增加，儘管目前的行程限制不包括 2019 年提供的許多高收益目的地豐富的行程。

As Arnold indicated, our guests are having a phenomenal time and our Net Promoter Scores have been incredibly strong. As always, happy guests seem to translate into improved onboard revenue. Our onboard and other revenue per diems were up significantly in the third quarter 2021 versus the third quarter 2019, in part due to the bundled packages as well as onboard credits utilized by guests from cruises canceled during the pause. We had great growth in onboard and other per diems on both sides of the Atlantic. Increases in bar, casino, shops, spa and Internet led the way on board.

正如阿諾德所說，我們的客人度過了一段非凡的時光，我們的淨推薦值非常高。與往常一樣，快樂的客人似乎可以轉化為增加的機上收入。與 2019 年第三季度相比，我們在 2021 年第三季度的機上和其他每日收入顯著增長，部分原因是在暫停期間取消的遊輪中客人使用的捆綁套餐和機上積分。我們在大西洋兩岸的船上和其他每日津貼都有很大的增長。酒吧、賭場、商店、水療中心和互聯網的增加引領了這一趨勢。

Over the past 2 years, we have offered and our guests have chosen more and more bundled package options. In the end, we will see the benefit of these bundled packages in onboard and other revenue as we did during the third quarter 2021. As a result of these bundled packages, the line between passenger ticket revenue and onboard revenue seems to be blurring. For accounting purposes, we allocate the total price paid by the guests between the 2 categories. Therefore, the best way to judge our performance is by reference to our total cruise revenue metrics. As we previously guided, the ships in service during the third quarter were in fact cash flow positive. They generated nearly $90 million of ship-level cash contribution. This was achieved with only a 2-month U.S.-based restart during the third quarter as our North American brands began guest cruise operations in early July.

在過去的 2 年中，我們提供並且我們的客人選擇了越來越多的捆綁套餐選項。最後，我們將看到這些捆綁套餐在機上和其他收入中的好處，就像我們在 2021 年第三季度所做的那樣。由於這些捆綁套餐，客票收入和機上收入之間的界限似乎變得模糊。出於會計目的，我們在 2 個類別之間分配客人支付的總價格。因此，判斷我們業績的最佳方式是參考我們的總郵輪收入指標。正如我們之前的指導，第三季度服役的船舶實際上是正現金流。他們產生了近 9000 萬美元的船舶級現金貢獻。隨著我們的北美品牌於 7 月初開始賓客郵輪業務，第三季度僅在美國重啟了 2 個月就實現了這一目標。

We expect the ship-level cash contribution to grow over time as more ships return to service and as we build on our occupancy percentages. For those of you who are modeling our future results, I did want to point out that due to the cost of a portion of our fleet being in pause status during the first half of 2022, restart-related expenses and the cost of maintaining enhanced health and safety protocols, we are projecting ship operating expenses in 2022 for available lower berth day or per ALBD as it is more commonly called to be higher than 2019 despite the benefit we get from the 19 smaller, less efficient ships leaving the fleet.

隨著越來越多的船舶重新投入使用以及我們的入住率不斷提高，我們預計船舶層面的現金貢獻將隨著時間的推移而增長。對於那些正在為我們的未來結果建模的人，我確實想指出，由於我們的部分機隊在 2022 年上半年處於暫停狀態的成本、與重啟相關的費用以及維持增強健康的成本和安全協議，我們預計 2022 年可用的較低泊位日或每個 ALBD 的船舶運營費用，因為儘管我們從離開船隊的 19 艘較小、效率較低的船舶中獲益，但通常被稱為高於 2019 年。

Remember, that because a portion of the fleet will be in pause status during the first half, we are spreading costs over less ALBDs. We do anticipate that most of these costs and expenses will end with 2022 and will not reoccur in fiscal 2023.

請記住，由於部分機隊將在上半年處於暫停狀態，因此我們將成本分攤到較少的 ALBD 上。我們確實預計這些成本和費用中的大部分將在 2022 年結束，並且不會在 2023 財年再次發生。

Now let's look at our monthly average cash burn rate. For the third quarter 2021, our cash burn rate was $510 million per month, which was better than our previous guidance and was in line with the $500 million per month for the first half of 2021. The improvement versus our guidance was due to the timing of capital expenditures, which are now likely to occur in the fourth quarter and some other small working capital changes.

現在讓我們看看我們每月的平均現金消耗率。對於 2021 年第三季度，我們的現金消耗率為每月 5.1 億美元，好於我們之前的指導，與 2021 年上半年每月 5 億美元的預期一致。與我們的指導相比有所改善是由於時機資本支出，現在可能發生在第四季度和其他一些小的營運資金變化。

With the timing of certain capital expenditures now shifting to the fourth quarter, the company expects its monthly average cash burn rate for the fourth quarter to be higher than the monthly average rate for the first 9 months of the year.

隨著某些資本支出的時間現在轉移到第四季度，該公司預計其第四季度的月平均現金消耗率將高於今年前 9 個月的月平均速度。

Other good news positive factors impacting the fourth quarter are restart expenditures to support not only the 22 ships that will restart during the fourth quarter but also the additional ships that will restart in the first quarter of 2022, along with the significant increase in dry dock days during the fourth quarter, driven by the restart schedule. All these expenditures have been anticipated and given the announced restarts many of them are now occurring in the fourth quarter.

影響第四季度的其他利好因素是重啟支出，不僅支持將在第四季度重啟的 22 艘船舶，還支持將在 2022 年第一季度重啟的額外船舶，以及乾船塢天數的顯著增加在第四季度，受重啟計劃的推動。所有這些支出都是預料之中的，並且鑑於宣布的重啟，其中許多支出現在都發生在第四季度。

Also, during the fourth quarter, we are forecasting positive cash flow from the 50 ships that will have guest cruise operations during the quarter. And ALBDs for the fourth quarter are expected to be 10.3 million which is approximately 47% of our total fleet capacity.

此外，在第四季度，我們預測將在該季度進行客輪運營的 50 艘船舶產生正現金流。第四季度的 ALBD 預計為 1030 萬輛，約占我們車隊總容量的 47%。

Now turning to booking trends. Our booking volumes for the all future cruises during the third quarter 2021 were higher than booking volumes during the first quarter. That trend continued over the first couple of months of the third quarter such that we expected the third quarter would end at higher booking levels than the second quarter, but we did manage to achieve that because of lower booking volumes in the month of August when the Delta variant impacted travel and leisure bookings generally. The impact on bookings in August was mostly seen on near-term sailings. However, the impact quickly stabilized in the month of August. And in recent weeks, we have started to see a welcome uptick in booking volumes.

現在轉向預訂趨勢。我們在 2021 年第三季度對所有未來郵輪的預訂量均高於第一季度的預訂量。這種趨勢在第三季度的前幾個月持續，因此我們預計第三季度結束時的預訂水平將高於第二季度，但我們確實設法實現了這一目標，因為 8 月份的預訂量較低，當時Delta 變體總體上影響了旅行和休閒預訂。對 8 月份預訂量的影響主要體現在近期航次上。然而，影響在 8 月份迅速穩定下來。最近幾週，我們開始看到預訂量出現了可喜的增長。

Our cumulative advanced book position for the second half of 2022 is ahead of a very strong 2019 and is at a new historical high. Pricing on our second half 2022 book position is higher than pricing on bookings at the same time for 2019 sailings driven in part by the bundled pricing strategy for a number of our brands, but excluding the dilutive impact of future cruise credits or more commonly known as FCCs.

我們在 2022 年下半年的累計超前賬面頭寸領先於非常強勁的 2019 年，並處於歷史新高。我們 2022 年下半年預訂頭寸的定價高於 2019 年航行同時預訂的定價，部分原因是我們的多個品牌的捆綁定價策略，但不包括未來郵輪積分或更通常稱為的稀釋影響FCC。

If we were to include the dilutive impact of future cruise credits, pricing on our second half 2022 book position is now in line with pricing at the same time for 2019 sailings. This improved position is a result of positive pricing trends we have seen during the third quarter. This is a great achievement given pricing on bookings for 2019 sailings is a tough comparison as that was the high watermark for historical yield.

如果我們將未來郵輪積分的稀釋影響包括在內，我們 2022 年下半年賬面頭寸的定價現在與 2019 年航行的定價一致。這種改善的地位是我們在第三季度看到的積極定價趨勢的結果。這是一項了不起的成就，因為 2019 年航行的預訂定價是一個艱難的比較，因為這是歷史收益率的高水位線。

Finally, I will finish up with some insights into our refinancing activity. We are focused on pursuing refinancing opportunities to extend maturities and reduce interest expense. Today, through our debt management efforts, we have reduced our future annual interest expense by over $250 million per year. And we have completed cumulative debt principal payment extensions of approximately $4 billion, improving our future liquidity position.

最後，我將對我們的再融資活動提出一些見解。我們專注於尋求再融資機會以延長期限並減少利息費用。今天，通過我們的債務管理工作，我們將未來的年度利息支出每年減少了超過 2.5 億美元。我們已經完成了約 40 億美元的累計債務本金支付延期，改善了我們未來的流動性狀況。

The $4 billion extension results from 3 things: first, the July refinancing of 50% of our first lien notes were $2 billion. Second, the completion of the European debt holiday amendments, which deferred $1.7 billion of principal payments. The deferred principal payments will instead be made over a 5-year period beginning in April 2022. And third, the extension of a $300 million bilateral loan with one of our banking partners. As we look forward, given how support of the debt capital market investors and commercial banks have been, we will be pursuing additional refinancing opportunities to meaningfully reduce our interest expense and extend our maturities over time.

40 億美元的延期源於三件事：首先，7 月份我們 50% 的第一留置權票據的再融資為 20 億美元。其次，完成了歐洲債務假期修正案，推遲了 17 億美元的本金支付。延期的本金支付將從 2022 年 4 月開始，為期 5 年。第三，與我們的銀行合作夥伴之一延長 3 億美元的雙邊貸款。展望未來，鑑於債務資本市場投資者和商業銀行的支持，我們將尋求更多的再融資機會，以顯著降低我們的利息費用並隨著時間的推移延長我們的期限。

And now I'll turn the call back over to Arnold.

現在我將把電話轉回給阿諾德。

Thanks, David. Operator, please open the call for questions.

謝謝，大衛。接線員，請打開電話提問。

(Operator Instructions) And our first question is from the line of Steve Wieczynski with Stifel.

（操作員說明）我們的第一個問題來自 Steve Wieczynski 和 Stifel。

So Arnold, in your prepared remarks, you -- I think I heard this right, but you talked about how you're expecting 2023's EBITDA should be higher than 2019's EBITDA. And look, I understand there's new net capacity in there that's going to help drive part of that EBITDA. But can you also help us maybe think about at a higher level, what some of your longer-term assumptions are in order to get that EBITDA level, meaning, how are you guys thinking about whether it's the pricing environment, load factors? Anything else you would point out that could kind of bridge that gap?

所以阿諾德，在你準備好的發言中，你——我想我沒聽錯，但你談到了你如何預期 2023 年的 EBITDA 應該高於 2019 年的 EBITDA。看，我知道那裡有新的淨容量，這將有助於推動部分 EBITDA。但是您能否幫助我們在更高的層面上考慮一下，為了獲得 EBITDA 水平，您的一些長期假設是什麼，這意味著，你們如何考慮定價環境、負載因素？您還有什麼可以指出的可以彌補這一差距的嗎？

Sure. I'll make some comments and then give David a chance as well. By '23, again, if things continue to trend the way they're going, we should have the full fleet out. We'll have, as you mentioned, additional capacity with these exciting new ships, more efficient. We've got some cost infrastructure improvements. We're coming out leaner and with better cost structure. We're more efficient on the ships, both from a fuel standpoint as well as an operating standpoint.

當然。我會發表一些意見，然後也給大衛一個機會。到 23 年，再次，如果事情繼續按他們的方式發展，我們應該有完整的艦隊。正如你所提到的，我們將通過這些令人興奮的新船獲得額外的容量，效率更高。我們對成本基礎設施進行了一些改進。我們正在變得更精簡，成本結構也更好。從燃料的角度和運營的角度來看，我們在船上的效率更高。

In addition to that, we expect to be back at occupancy levels more comparable to historical or potentially even better given the fact that while there will be some capacity growth at that point in the industry, it's going to be well below the capacity growth that would have occurred absent the pandemic. Go ahead, David, any additional comments?

除此之外，我們預計入住率將恢復到更接近歷史水平，甚至可能會更好，因為雖然屆時該行業將出現一些產能增長，但其產能增長將遠低於預期的產能增長。在沒有大流行的情況下發生。繼續，大衛，還有其他意見嗎？

Yes. I'd just point out a few things. So the 19 ships -- between the 19 ships that left the fleet, which Arnold indicated, are smaller, less efficient ships and all the new capacity coming in, we certainly have a much richer cabin mix on board the vessels. There's -- I think we had indicated the cabin -- the balcony cabin mix was about 6 percentage points higher. So that does give us the opportunity to generate more revenue.

是的。我只想指出幾點。所以 19 艘船——在離開船隊的 19 艘船中，阿諾德指出，是更小、效率更低的船和所有新的容量，我們當然在船上有更豐富的客艙組合。有 - 我想我們已經指出了小屋 - 陽台小屋組合高出約 6 個百分點。所以這確實給了我們創造更多收入的機會。

The combination of the ships we said before, those leaving the fleet and the new builds give us a unit cost at the ship operating level, a 4% reduction. On the fuel consumption, just the change in the fleet that I described is 3%. In total, it is a 10% capacity increase net of the ships that left the fleet. So with all of the pent-up demand and all of the things, the revenue management things, the bundle packages that we're offering, which is driving onboard revenue. And everything else we're doing, we feel, as Arnold said, that we have the opportunity for stronger EBITDA in 2023 compared to 2019.

我們之前所說的船舶、離開船隊的船舶和新建造的船舶的組合使我們在船舶運營水平上降低了 4% 的單位成本。在油耗上，僅我描述的車隊變化是 3%。總的來說，離開船隊的船舶淨容量增加了 10%。因此，隨著所有被壓抑的需求和所有事情，收入管理事情，我們提供的捆綁包，這正在推動船上收入。正如阿諾德所說，我們正在做的所有其他事情都認為，與 2019 年相比，我們有機會在 2023 年實現更強勁的 EBITDA。

Okay. Great. That's great color. And then second question, as we start to think about 2022, is there any way for you to help us think about how '22 is sold at this point? I guess what I'm trying to understand is how much of your capacity is actually available for sale at this point? And then how you think about opening up more capacity for '22 without ultimately impacting your pricing ability?

好的。偉大的。這顏色真好。然後是第二個問題，當我們開始考慮 2022 年時，您有什麼辦法可以幫助我們思考 22 年的銷售情況嗎？我想我想了解的是，此時您實際上有多少容量可供出售？然後，您如何考慮在不影響定價能力的情況下為 22 年開放更多容量？

So...

所以...

Go ahead, David.

去吧，大衛。

Yes. No, happy to. So for all intents and purposes, I think in most cases, we have announced the restart date for 71 ships out of the 95 that will be in the fleet in the spring of 2022. But even those ships where we have not announced the restart date in most cases, we have cleared the inventory for the dates that we don't expect to sail. And we are only selling at this point, the dates that we do anticipate sailing.

是的。不，很高興。因此，出於所有意圖和目的，我認為在大多數情況下，我們已經宣布了將於 2022 年春季加入艦隊的 95 艘船舶中的 71 艘的重啟日期。但即使是那些我們尚未宣布重啟日期的船舶在大多數情況下，我們已經清理了我們預計不會航行的日期的庫存。我們現在只在銷售我們預計航行的日期。

We just have not made the formal announcement on the remaining 24 ships. But those will be forthcoming in the days and weeks ahead. So what is out there today, more or less, give or take, there may be some changes a little bit on the margin, but more or less what's out there today is what we're selling. We talked about the back half of the year being at a new historical high in terms of the book position. And we were very pleased with that. People are booking further out. And so we're seeing the benefit of that.

我們只是還沒有正式宣布剩下的 24 艘船。但這些將在未來幾天和幾週內發布。所以今天有什麼，或多或少，給予或接受，可能會有一些邊際變化，但今天或多或少是我們正在銷售的東西。我們談到下半年的賬面位置處於歷史新高。我們對此非常滿意。人們在更遠的地方預訂。所以我們看到了這樣做的好處。

The first half of the year, the only reason we didn't give a detailed year-over-year comparison of '22 versus '19 is because it is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison. While we are very pleased and look at the first half of the year and for the voyages that we're selling, we feel they're at the high end of the historical booking curve. The reason for the apples and oranges comparison is in the first half, we're not running most of the world cruises and all the long exotic voyages. And they tend to book much further out because they're much longer. So if we gave you the numbers, it would be an apples and oranges comparison. But it is fair to say that we feel very comfortable with the pricing and the book position for the first half of 2022.

今年上半年，我們沒有對 22 年和 19 年進行詳細的同比比較的唯一原因是因為它有點像蘋果和橘子的比較。雖然我們很高興看到上半年和我們正在銷售的航次，但我們認為它們處於歷史預訂曲線的高端。蘋果和橘子比較的原因是在上半年，我們沒有進行大部分的世界遊輪和所有長途異國航行。而且他們傾向於預訂更遠的地方，因為它們的時間要長得多。因此，如果我們給你數字，這將是一個蘋果和橘子的比較。但公平地說，我們對 2022 年上半年的定價和賬面狀況感到非常滿意。

But Steve, as I said in the prepared comments, we will have -- we're planning to have the full fleet on in time for the summer season where we make the bulk of our profits. So for the second half of '22, we're looking to be in full force. Go ahead, David, you have another comment?

但是史蒂夫，正如我在準備好的評論中所說，我們將 - 我們計劃在夏季及時讓全部機隊投入使用，我們將獲得大部分利潤。因此，在 22 年下半年，我們希望全力以赴。繼續，大衛，你還有什麼意見嗎？

Steve, if you just -- we -- 47% of our capacity will be sailing in the -- our capacity will be sailing in the fourth quarter. We end the calendar year we said with nearly 65% of our capacity.

史蒂夫，如果你只是 - 我們 - 我們 47% 的運力將在第四季度航行 - 我們的運力將在第四季度航行。我們以近 65% 的產能結束了我們所說的日曆年。

So during the first half of the year, we're going to go from somewhere around 60% on December 1, up to 100% at the end of the first half. So you can begin to see that the first half of the year is going to be somewhere in between that depending on the exact ramp-up of the capacity.

因此，在今年上半年，我們將從 12 月 1 日的 60% 左右上升到上半年末的 100%。因此，您可以開始看到今年上半年將介於兩者之間，具體取決於產能的確切增長。

But to be clear, so if -- I'm going to make this up. So let's take a random -- let's take the Carnival Conquest, I'm going to make a ship up here. For the second half of next -- let's look at the second half of next year, are you selling 100% of that capacity today? Or are you still kind of holding back some of that capacity because you don't want to try to get up to that 100% level? And hopefully, that makes sense.

但要清楚，所以如果 - 我要彌補這一點。所以讓我們隨機選擇——讓我們參加嘉年華征服，我要在這裡造一艘船。明年下半年——讓我們看看明年下半年，你今天賣掉了100%的產能嗎？或者您是否仍然因為不想達到 100% 的水平而保留了一些能力？希望這是有道理的。

No, we're not for future voyages out there because, obviously, we're nowhere near selling out yet. Obviously, if we did, we would have underpriced it. We're not restricting the capacity that we're selling for the back half of 2022. There's no reason to it.

不，我們不適合未來的航行，因為很明顯，我們還遠未售罄。顯然，如果我們這樣做了，我們就會低估它的價格。我們不會限制我們在 2022 年下半年銷售的容量。沒有理由這樣做。

Our next question is from the line of Robin Farley with UBS.

我們的下一個問題來自瑞銀的 Robin Farley。

I wanted to clarify your commentary on the expenses. I know you mentioned some expenses next year, obviously, would not be recurring the capacity out of service, the restart costs. And then maybe the piece that it is would be the enhanced protocols. So if you looked at only the period where everything is operating and so the restart expense would not be in there and the burn of ships out of service.

我想澄清你對費用的評論。我知道你提到了明年的一些費用，顯然，不會是經常性的容量停止服務，重啟費用。然後也許它就是增強的協議。因此，如果您只查看一切正常運行的時期，那麼重新啟動費用就不會出現，並且船隻的燒毀不會停止服務。

For that period forward, and then I guess this would also mean for 2023, is it fair to say that your expense per passenger cruise day would be below 2019 levels when you exclude those sort of onetime restart costs?

在接下來的那個時期，然後我想這也意味著到 2023 年，如果排除那些一次性的重新啟動成本，可以說您的每個乘客遊輪日的費用將低於 2019 年的水平嗎？

Well, so...

那麼，那麼...

Where I get -- go ahead, David. It's okay. Go ahead.

我在哪裡 - 繼續，大衛。沒關係。前進。

So when you exclude all of those costs and look into 2023, I mean, we had indicated that the benefit of the change in fleet was on the ship operating expenses was 4% per ALBD. We also have found efficiency shore side as well. And so there are cost efficiencies that we have. We're also -- as the whole world is, we are seeing some inflation. We're working hard to mitigate all of that inflation.

因此，當您排除所有這些成本並展望 2023 年時，我的意思是，我們已經表明船隊變化的好處是船舶運營費用為每 ALBD 的 4%。我們也發現了效率岸邊。所以我們有成本效益。我們也 - 就像整個世界一樣，我們正在看到一些通貨膨脹。我們正在努力減輕所有通貨膨脹。

We don't see it nearly as much as people in the United States in terms of the labor, given our employment base comes from nearly 150 countries around the world on board our ships. So we have a much more of an opportunity there. And so we're working hard, but I'd be hesitant to give guidance on 2023 cost structure. I think it's just fair to say to give you all the pieces that are out there and then we'll give guidance as we get closer.

考慮到我們的就業基礎來自世界各地近 150 個國家，我們的船舶上的就業人數遠不及美國的勞動力。所以我們在那裡有更多的機會。所以我們正在努力工作，但我不願就 2023 年的成本結構提供指導。我認為公平地說，把所有的東西都給你，然後我們會在我們接近時提供指導。

Okay. Okay. No, that's helpful. So would you venture whether for 2022, whether the shoreside efficiencies would offset the inflation and enhanced protocols just for '22, if you exclude the -- if you get past the restart expenses?

好的。好的。不，這很有幫助。那麼，如果您排除 - 如果您超過重啟費用，您是否會冒險是否在 2022 年，岸邊效率是否會抵消通貨膨脹和僅針對 22 年的增強協議？

Yes. I'd be hesitant to give guidance at this point. Clearly, the short side efficiencies will flow through. And since we're still working through all of the details relating to and sourcing and making changes and mitigating some of the inflationary costs. I'd be hesitant to give guidance. But you can be sure that we've got people focused on those items to optimize the situation.

是的。在這一點上，我會猶豫是否給予指導。顯然，短邊效率將通過。而且由於我們仍在研究與採購和進行更改並減輕一些通貨膨脹成本相關的所有細節。我會猶豫是否給予指導。但是您可以肯定，我們已經讓人們專注於這些項目以優化情況。

Okay. Great. Helpful. And then my other question is just to clarify the commentary on price for next year. If we're just looking at the second half when it's a little more comparable. And then you said, excluding the future cruise credit discounts, the pricing is about in line with 2019 levels. I just want to make sure I understood when you gave your earlier commentary about how there is more bundling now. So more of what is being booked now for second half compared to 2019. Has more of sort of some of the onboard expense, right, kind of in the ticket price because of the bundling, if I'm understanding your comments right? And so I guess, I just want to clarify, when you are seeing price in line with 2019, is that sort of you have -- that after you've allocated some of the bundled ticket price on board? Or -- and then sorry, I guess I'm just trying to think about how comparable...

好的。偉大的。有幫助。然後我的另一個問題是澄清對明年價格的評論。如果我們只看下半場，那就更可比了。然後你說，不包括未來的郵輪信用折扣，定價與2019年的水平差不多。我只是想確保我理解你之前發表的關於現在有更多捆綁的評論。因此，與 2019 年相比，現在下半年預訂的東西更多。如果我理解您的評論，是否有更多的一些機上費用，對，由於捆綁銷售，有點像票價？所以我想，我只是想澄清一下，當您看到與 2019 年一致的價格時，您是否有這種情況——在您分配了一些捆綁票價後？或者 - 然後對不起，我想我只是想想想如何比較......

Yes. We've tried to normalize it and do some level of allocation to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

是的。我們試圖對其進行規範化並進行某種程度的分配，以便進行蘋果對蘋果的比較。

Our next question is from the line of Ben Chaiken with Credit Suisse.

我們的下一個問題來自瑞士信貸的 Ben Chaiken。

Risk of getting overly granular, but I'll try it anyway. If you think about the profitability of the ships, if you think about the profitability of the ships coming online and your new capacity, over the next couple of years or whatever next 2 or 3 years? And then compare that to the remaining legacy fully, obviously, excluding the 19 disposed of ships. Is there any way to ballpark compare those 2 kind of like sets of assets, whether it's margins, EBITDA, revenue premiums, like that's something that's anecdotally talked about in the industry, but that didn't make sense. I can try it differently or we can take it offline.

有變得過於細化的風險，但無論如何我都會嘗試。如果您考慮船舶的盈利能力，如果您考慮未來幾年或未來 2 或 3 年的船舶上線和新產能的盈利能力？然後將其與剩餘的遺產進行比較，顯然，不包括 19 艘被處置的船隻。有什麼方法可以比較這兩種類似的資產，無論是利潤率、EBITDA、收入溢價，就像業內傳聞一樣，但這沒有意義。我可以嘗試不同的方式，或者我們可以將其離線。

No. We have rules of thumb about the overall benefit of new ships relative to the fleet. So, David, you might want to...

不會。關於新船相對於船隊的整體效益，我們有經驗法則。所以，大衛，你可能想...

From a cost perspective, if you just look at the unit cost for the -- our new ships coming in, they tend to be 15% to 25% lower on a unit basis than the existing fleet.

從成本的角度來看，如果你只看我們新船的單位成本，它們的單位成本往往比現有船隊低 15% 到 25%。

And from a fuel consumption perspective, we're talking more like 25% to 35% more fuel efficient on a unit basis. So we do see the enhanced profitability. And when you start adding in, of course, the better cabin mix, the more opportunity for onboard revenue because there are more -- there's more public space in the larger ships. So all of that does bode well for an improved return on the new ships versus the existing fleet.

從燃料消耗的角度來看，我們所說的單位燃料效率更像是 25% 到 35%。因此，我們確實看到了盈利能力的提高。當你開始加入時，當然，更好的客艙組合，船上收入的機會就更多，因為有更多——更大的船上有更多的公共空間。因此，與現有船隊相比，所有這些都預示著新船的回報率會有所提高。

Our next question is from the line of Jaime Katz with Morningstar.

我們的下一個問題來自晨星的 Jaime Katz。

Now the ships are starting to be deployed, do you have a little bit more visibility on CapEx demands over the next year or 2 that you'd be willing to share with us? I mean, I know we have the cash burn, but it would be helpful to hear the difference between maybe CapEx and OpEx going forward.

現在船舶開始部署，您是否願意與我們分享明年或 2 年的資本支出需求？我的意思是，我知道我們有現金消耗，但聽到未來可能的資本支出和運營支出之間的區別會很有幫助。

Yes. We can share with you our CapEx projections without a doubt. So looking at 2022, and I'll give you the 2 pieces of CapEx. The non-new build CapEx, we're projecting about $1.5 billion and the new build is $4.5 billion. So it's about $6 billion in total. Keep in mind, remember that most of the new build is financed with the export credits that are already committed.

是的。毫無疑問，我們可以與您分享我們的資本支出預測。所以看看 2022 年，我會給你兩筆資本支出。非新建資本支出，我們預計約為 15 億美元，新建為 45 億美元。因此，總計約為 60 億美元。請記住，大部分新建項目的資金來自已承諾的出口信貸。

In 2023, the non-new build, we're forecasting about -- also about $1.5 billion, and the new build is $2.7 billion for a total of $4.2 billion. So we are expecting an increase in CapEx in '22 and '23 from where we are today in '21. But we're not expecting to go back. Pre-COVID, we had probably indicated a sort of a steady state CapEx of, call it, $2 billion, non-new build CapEx. And we do believe we'll probably get back there at some point in the future. But in the next 2 years, our best guess at this point is about $1.5 billion.

到 2023 年，我們預測的非新建建築約為 15 億美元，新建建築為 27 億美元，總計 42 億美元。因此，我們預計 22 年和 23 年的資本支出會比我們今天在 21 年的水平有所增加。但我們不指望回去。在 COVID 之前，我們可能已經指出了一種穩定狀態的資本支出，稱之為 20 億美元的非新建資本支出。我們確實相信我們可能會在未來的某個時候回到那裡。但在接下來的 2 年裡，我們目前最好的猜測是大約 15 億美元。

Okay. And then just going back to Robin's question on bundling. I'm curious whether you guys are thinking that the bundling behavior is something that's more secular. So over time, it's going to remain that the pricing component is less important than it was historically and that the onboard component is more important than it was historically. And I'm not sure if there's anything to read into that, but I don't know if it's a new secular trend or transitory?

好的。然後回到 Robin 關於捆綁的問題。我很好奇你們是否認為捆綁行為是更世俗的東西。因此，隨著時間的推移，定價部分仍然沒有以前那麼重要，而車載部分比以前更重要。而且我不確定是否有什麼可以讀到的，但我不知道這是一種新的長期趨勢還是暫時的？

Yes. Again, I think we have 9 brands. There's a lot of variability across the brands. And so we -- bundling has been around a while. It's not a new thing. But there has been a more recent trend that guests seem to prefer to have certain aspects of their experience bundled. And so there has been an increase in some aspects of that, whether that's an ongoing trend, probably, but we're going to stay flexible and dynamic and give the guests what they want.

是的。同樣，我認為我們有 9 個品牌。各個品牌之間存在很大差異。所以我們 - 捆綁已經有一段時間了。這不是什麼新鮮事。但最近有一種趨勢，客人似乎更喜歡將他們的體驗的某些方面捆綁在一起。因此，這在某些方面有所增加，這可能是一種持續的趨勢，但我們將保持靈活和動態，並為客人提供他們想要的東西。

And I think one is... if i can add to it, Arnold, what are the benefits of the bundle package? I mean it gives the consumer a choice. And any choices you give the consumer creates hopefully, more demand and better pricing in the long run. But keep in mind that when somebody bundles -- when somebody pays for like their drink package and they're in and ahead of time.

我認為一個是......如果我可以添加它，Arnold，捆綁包有什麼好處？我的意思是它給了消費者一個選擇。從長遠來看，您為消費者提供的任何選擇都有望創造更多需求和更好的定價。但請記住，當有人捆綁時——當有人像他們的飲料包一樣付款時，他們已經提前了。

Well, first of all, that, of course, benefits the agent because they get a commission on the whole package. So it definitely does make the travel agents happy. But when the people get on board, they really have a fresh wallet. And because they've already paid for certain items, so they have a fresh wallet, they're starting over again.

嗯，首先，這當然有利於代理，因為他們從整個包裹中獲得佣金。所以它確實讓旅行社高興。但是當人們上船時，他們真的有一個新鮮的錢包。而且因為他們已經支付了某些物品的費用，所以他們有一個新的錢包，他們又重新開始了。

And we believe that with the fresh wallet, it does incentivize more onboard spend in total. So we would expect our onboards to be higher in the long run as a result of the bundling, and we did see it in the third quarter. I mean the onboard and other per diems were up significantly compared to 2019. And so some of that is the fresh wallet of people getting on board.

我們相信，有了新錢包，它確實會激勵更多的機上消費。因此，從長遠來看，由於捆綁銷售，我們預計我們的板載人數會更高，我們確實在第三季度看到了這一點。我的意思是，與 2019 年相比，機上和其他每日津貼顯著增加。所以其中一些是人們上船的新錢包。

Our next question is from the line of Assia Georgieva with Infinity Research.

我們的下一個問題來自 Infinity Research 的 Assia Georgieva。

I think you have been doing a great job and probably very happy to be so busy with restart. So congratulations. I had a -- my question is related -- again, Arnold, I think what you've done has been fantastic. And yes, good luck through the end of the year. My question was a little more in terms of sourcing and destinations. With the ships going back to warmer climates, including the Caribbean during the winter months, do you find any difficulties in terms of getting international passengers, especially from Europe with more stringent entry requirements into the U.S.

我認為您一直做得很好，並且可能很高興能忙於重新啟動。那麼恭喜。我有一個 - 我的問題是相關的 - 再次，阿諾德，我認為你所做的非常棒。是的，祝你好運到年底。我的問題是關於採購和目的地。隨著船隻在冬季返回溫暖的氣候，包括加勒比海地區，您是否發現在吸引國際乘客方面有任何困難，特別是來自歐洲的入境要求更嚴格的美國。

And secondly, Australia seems to continue to be a wildcard, even though it's a small market, relatively speaking, in terms of the capacity you have there. But it's also a somewhat important market during winter.

其次，澳大利亞似乎仍然是一個通配符，即使它是一個小市場，相對而言，就你在那裡的容量而言。但它在冬季也是一個比較重要的市場。

Yes. Australia is an important market for certain and the travel restrictions absolutely play a part in terms of what we can do with occupancy ultimately. Now the encouraging sign is things continue to loosen up, things continue to improve. You can see in the U.K. where there's good momentum. They are further ahead on vaccinations, et cetera.

是的。澳大利亞肯定是一個重要的市場，旅行限制絕對在我們最終可以對入住率做些什麼方面發揮了作用。現在令人鼓舞的跡像是情況繼續放鬆，情況繼續改善。你可以在英國看到勢頭良好的地方。他們在疫苗接種等方面遙遙領先。

You're seeing that U.S. recently made an announcement that you're fully aware of letting travelers from Europe come in and starting in November. But all of those things in the near term are impacting us for certain, and they will continue to evolve. Eventually Australia will open. Well, we'll be very excited about that and ready to take full advantage of it. And our team over there is working booking cruises going forward and so on in anticipation that you can see they will open.

您會看到美國最近宣布，您完全了解允許來自歐洲的旅客入境並從 11 月開始。但所有這些在短期內都會對我們產生一定的影響，而且它們將繼續發展。最終澳大利亞將開放。好吧，我們會對此感到非常興奮，並準備充分利用它。我們那邊的團隊正在預訂未來的遊輪等等，希望你能看到它們會開放。

But the world is just processing itself through this pandemic. And as we said and as I said in the remarks earlier on the prepared remarks, it's choppy, but there's movements forward. And the most important thing is that there is pent-up demand, people are very interested in the cruise experience, not just repeat cruise stores, but we're seeing lots of new to brand and new cruisers booking. And so that's a very positive sign. But we do have to get to the point, and we will get there where it's kind of back to some kind of a normal where people are free to travel.

但世界只是在通過這場大流行來處理自己。正如我們所說的，正如我在前面關於準備好的評論的評論中所說的那樣，它是波濤洶湧的，但有前進的趨勢。最重要的是，有被壓抑的需求，人們對郵輪體驗非常感興趣，而不僅僅是重複的郵輪商店，但我們看到很多新品牌和新郵輪的預訂。這是一個非常積極的信號。但我們確實必須直截了當，我們將到達那裡，它會恢復到人們可以自由旅行的某種正常狀態。

And if I can just add... Let me add some...

如果我可以添加...讓我添加一些...

Go ahead, David.

去吧，大衛。

In terms of your question about Europeans traveling to the United States for the Caribbean winter season, so keep in mind, we have multiple brands. And our European brands, essentially are home porting and other places in the Caribbean. So I don't remember every single home port. I mean, P&O in the U.K., I think home ports out of Barbados and (inaudible) and other places in the Caribbean. They choose home ports where there's great airlift from their home countries. So most of the Europeans who are coming to the Caribbean are going on our European brands and going somewhere in the Caribbean to embark on their vessel.

關於您關於歐洲人在加勒比冬季前往美國的問題，請記住，我們有多個品牌。而我們的歐洲品牌，基本上都是在加勒比海等地的本土移植。所以我不記得每一個母港。我的意思是，英國的 P&O，我認為巴巴多斯和（聽不清）和加勒比其他地方的母港。他們選擇從本國有大量空運的母港。因此，大多數來到加勒比海的歐洲人都會選擇我們的歐洲品牌，並前往加勒比海的某個地方登上他們的船。

The North American brands, which are sailing out of the United States, the overwhelming majority of their guests are probably North Americans sailing on the board ships in the wintertime. So it's -- travel restrictions are easing. People are starting to be able to come. I won't repeat everything that you probably already know. But it's not as big of an issue for us as -- given the structure of where people start their cruises.

從美國出海的北美品牌，絕大多數的客人恐怕都是冬天在船上航行的北美人。因此，旅行限制正在放鬆。人們開始可以來了。我不會重複您可能已經知道的所有內容。但這對我們來說並不是一個大問題——考慮到人們開始巡航的結構。

I think a comporting point that you've made is great, and I should have thought about that. And the second question, your yield management guys are probably working very hard because now they have even more levers to work with. So in addition to trying not to underprice and yet reaching occupancy levels where at the ship board level, at least, we're getting a cash benefit. Has there been any change, any restrictions in terms of occupancy? Or is it more a continuation of what you've been doing for decades trying to get the best price?

我認為你提出的一個比較點很棒，我應該考慮一下。第二個問題，您的收益管理人員可能正在非常努力地工作，因為現在他們有更多的槓桿可以使用。因此，除了盡量不低估價格並達到船上水平的入住率之外，至少，我們還獲得了現金收益。入住方面有什麼變化，有什麼限制嗎？或者它是你幾十年來一直在做的事情的延續，試圖獲得最優惠的價格？

We've intentionally restricted occupancy for a host of reasons, some related and -- because, again, the brand's all over the place in terms of jurisdictions. So some just to be in compliance, in some cases, others to give a ramp-up to -- because they have new protocols. We have to get the crew experience with it and experience with the guests to make sure we work on (inaudible) and some an artifact of the compliance measures, whether it's physical distancing or other requirements. And so at this point, yes, there's been intentional constraint.

出於多種原因，我們有意限制入住率，其中一些原因是相關的，而且——再一次，該品牌在司法管轄區的範圍內無處不在。因此，有些人只是為了遵守規定，在某些情況下，有些人只是為了加強——因為他們有新的協議。我們必須讓船員體驗它並與客人一起體驗，以確保我們在（聽不清）和一些合規措施的工件上工作，無論是物理距離還是其他要求。所以在這一點上，是的，有故意的限制。

But as we said, where we have like normal cruises in the Caribbean, there's vaccinated cruises, but Carnival brand has been at 70% occupancy, which is fantastic given the number of ships they had in the protocols. And again, we intentionally tapped that. So as we begin to open up more, obviously, the yield management folks will have to sharpen their -- I was going to say pencils but nobody uses pencils anymore, jumping on their keyboards more and go to work on it. But it's -- we have good momentum. It's very disciplined. We have managed the timing of restarts of some ships thinking through these matters. And so it's a very proactive and to date, well managed relaunch giving us an opportunity to have strength in pricing going forward.

但正如我們所說，我們在加勒比地區有正常的遊輪，也有接種疫苗的遊輪，但嘉年華品牌的上座率為 70%，考慮到他們在協議中擁有的船隻數量，這真是太棒了。再一次，我們故意點擊了它。因此，隨著我們開始更多地開放，顯然，收益管理人員將不得不磨礪他們的——我本來想說鉛筆，但沒有人再使用鉛筆了，更多地在鍵盤上跳動並開始工作。但它 - 我們有良好的勢頭。這是非常有紀律的。考慮到這些問題，我們已經管理了一些船舶重啟的時間。因此，這是一次非常主動且迄今為止管理良好的重新啟動，使我們有機會在未來的定價方面擁有優勢。

The whole process is obviously well above my pay grade, so I still use pencils.

整個過程顯然遠遠高於我的工資等級，所以我仍然使用鉛筆。

Our next question is from the line of Brandt Montour with JPMorgan.

我們的下一個問題來自摩根大通的 Brandt Montour。

So David, I was wondering if you could maybe give us your view on how bookings cadence progressed throughout Delta, but just focused on sailings for the second half of '22. And then if there was a wobble at all, how did the industry respond to that in terms of pricing?

所以大衛，我想知道您是否可以就整個 Delta 的預訂節奏如何進展給我們您的看法，但只關注 22 年下半年的航行。然後，如果有任何波動，行業在定價方面是如何應對的？

Yes. So as I said in my prepared remarks, the impact in August of the Delta variant on bookings. It's really much more of a near-term phenomenon in terms of, call it, the next 6 months, maybe 9 months of bookings. The further out you go, it is really hard to even spot or distinguish a Delta variant trend in the booking patterns. So the second half remains strong and throughout the month of August.

是的。因此，正如我在準備好的評論中所說，達美航空 8 月份對預訂的影響。就未來 6 個月甚至 9 個月的預訂而言，這實際上更像是一種短期現象。您走得越遠，甚至很難發現或區分預訂模式中的 Delta 變體趨勢。因此，下半年和整個 8 月份都保持強勁勢頭。

And in terms of pricing, I think Arnold said this in his notes in his prepared remarks, we all believe that the Delta variant would -- we would get past this. And so our view was to maintain price and to make sure that we optimize revenue in the long run, not just bookings during the month of August, we still have plenty of time since we're ahead. We still have plenty of time to fill up the ships to the occupancy levels we're targeting for both the fourth quarter and for the first half of 2022. So we are holding price and we're in a good position.

在定價方面，我認為阿諾德在他準備好的評論中的筆記中說過這一點，我們都相信 Delta 變體會 - 我們會克服這個問題。因此，我們的觀點是維持價格並確保我們從長遠來看優化收入，而不僅僅是 8 月份的預訂，我們仍然有充足的時間，因為我們領先。我們仍然有足夠的時間將船舶填滿到我們在第四季度和 2022 年上半年的目標入住率。所以我們保持價格，我們處於有利位置。

Excellent. And then as a follow-up, I know you're targeting cash flow -- cash flow from operations breakeven sometimes early in '22, and I know that you didn't give a specific month on that, which we can appreciate. I'm just curious, what are you assuming in that for customer deposit inflows if anything, or it might still be elevated at that time. And so just curious what's baked in for that.

優秀的。然後作為後續行動，我知道您的目標是現金流——有時在 22 年初運營盈虧平衡產生的現金流，而且我知道您沒有給出具體的月份，我們可以理解。我只是好奇，如果有的話，您對客戶存款流入有何假設，或者當時可能仍會升高。所以只是好奇這是為了什麼。

Yes. Well, customer deposits at the end of the third quarter were $3.1 million. The last 2 quarters, they did increase. Our expectation is that they will continue to increase. Of course, in a steady-state environment, remember that the overwhelming majority of the customer deposits at any point in time are the final payments for the next 3 months of cruises. So as the capacity for the next 3 months continues to build towards the 100% next spring, you should see an increase in customer deposits over time as you continue to get more and more final payments.

是的。嗯，第三季度末的客戶存款為 310 萬美元。最近兩個季度，它們確實增加了。我們的預期是它們將繼續增加。當然，在穩定狀態的環境中，請記住，絕大多數客戶存款在任何時間點都是未來 3 個月遊輪的最終付款。因此，隨著未來 3 個月的容量繼續朝著明年春天 100% 的方向發展，隨著您繼續獲得越來越多的最終付款，您應該會看到客戶存款隨著時間的推移而增加。

Keep in mind, like for the fourth quarter, we only have 47% of the capacity in service, so there's only half of probably the final payments that you would see come next May. So you will continue to see an increase driven by that factor. And that should be a positive cash flow inflow to us over that time frame.

請記住，就像第四季度一樣，我們只有 47% 的服務能力，因此您可能會在明年 5 月看到最終付款的一半。因此，您將繼續看到由該因素推動的增長。在那個時間範圍內，這應該是我們的正現金流入。

Okay. But maybe to ask a different way, do you need elevated customer deposit inflows to breakeven on cash flow from operations in the first half of next year?

好的。但也許換個方式問，您是否需要增加客戶存款流入才能在明年上半年實現運營現金流的收支平衡？

I'll -- EBITDA will also break even in the early part of 2022. So it's -- I'd give you that hopefully answers your question.

我會 - EBITDA 也將在 2022 年初實現收支平衡。所以 - 我會給你希望回答你的問題。

Yes, that's helpful.

是的，這很有幫助。

Correct, in a much more direct way.

正確，以更直接的方式。

Our next question is from the line of Stephen Grambling with Goldman Sachs.

我們的下一個問題來自高盛的 Stephen Grambling。

Could you just talk about the pricing and booking dynamics between what you saw on Carnival versus maybe some of the other brands, specifically looking at second half '22 as itineraries normalized? Did you see any difference more recently in close-in bookings that may inform how that trajectory could evolve?

您能否談談您在嘉年華上看到的與其他一些品牌之間的定價和預訂動態，特別是在 22 年下半年行程正常化的情況下？您最近在近距離預訂中是否發現了任何可能告知該軌跡如何演變的差異？

I would say to begin with, we see strength across the branded portfolio and that's very encouraging to us. But go ahead, David, with any specific comments you might want to make.

首先，我想說的是，我們看到了整個品牌組合的實力，這對我們來說非常鼓舞人心。但是，請繼續，大衛，您可能想發表任何具體評論。

For the back half of '22, I mean, as Arnold said, all the brands are strong, things are going well. It's all the -- we're getting back to sort of a normalized comparison of full breadth of itineraries across the whole fleet. And so we feel very good about that. As I said, the back half of 2022 was at a historical high. And we saw great trends in all brands and on both sides of the Atlantic. So there's nothing particular to note there. Closer in, some of that is just a function of itineraries and marketplaces, but we are seeing good occupancy and across all the brands. I gave you the occupancy figures for the third quarter. Clearly, the European brands had more capacity restrictions in the third quarter.

對於 22 年下半年，我的意思是，正如阿諾德所說，所有品牌都很強大，事情進展順利。這就是全部 - 我們正在回到對整個艦隊的全部行程進行標準化比較。所以我們對此感覺很好。正如我所說，2022 年下半年處於歷史高位。我們在大西洋兩岸的所有品牌中都看到了巨大的趨勢。所以那裡沒有什麼特別要注意的。近看，其中一些只是行程和市場的功能，但我們看到所有品牌的入住率都很高。我給了你第三季度的入住率數據。顯然，歐洲品牌在第三季度受到了更多的產能限制。

The U.K. restrictions go away, but the Continental Europe social distancing restrictions remain at least for part of the quarter. So I -- there's nothing worth noting. I think we're seeing good comparisons and good booking trends across all the brands. There are small differences, but some of that also has to do with itinerary length between the different brands in the marketplaces.

英國的限制措施消失了，但歐洲大陸的社交距離限制至少在本季度的部分時間裡仍然存在。所以我——沒有什麼值得注意的。我認為我們在所有品牌中都看到了良好的比較和良好的預訂趨勢。存在細微差別，但其中一些也與市場上不同品牌之間的行程長度有關。

We'll take one last question, operator. Yes, I'm sorry, go ahead. This will be the last question. Go ahead.

我們將回答最後一個問題，接線員。是的，對不起，請繼續。這將是最後一個問題。前進。

I may have missed this, but I was wondering if you had any way you can quantify the potential kind of sustained structural cost increases that you have from some of the health actions. And as you mentioned, there are some supply chain disruptions. So I'm wondering if you can help frame kind of the level of inflation you may be seeing, whether it's in labor or commodities.

我可能錯過了這一點，但我想知道您是否有任何方法可以量化某些健康行動帶來的潛在持續結構性成本增加。正如你所提到的，存在一些供應鏈中斷。所以我想知道你是否可以幫助確定你可能看到的通脹水平，無論是勞動力還是商品。

Yes. Real quick, I'll make a general comment. I think from a sustainable cost standpoint, a lot of the protocols, the start-up costs, of course, will go away. Lot of protocol costs will also go away because over time, the protocols won't be required. Once we get to a point where it's only protocol costs, those are in the hundreds of thousands versus per ship versus millions of dollars per ship or whatever. And again, we suspect that those will reduce over time as well. David?

是的。很快，我將發表一般性評論。我認為從可持續成本的角度來看，許多協議、啟動成本當然會消失。許多協議成本也將消失，因為隨著時間的推移，將不再需要協議。一旦我們達到只有協議成本的地步，與每艘船相比，每艘船的成本為數十萬美元，而每艘船的成本為數百萬美元。同樣，我們懷疑這些也會隨著時間的推移而減少。大衛？

Yes. I agree with Arnold. And I will tell you, I'm reluctant at this point to try to peg this because there's so many moving parts and variables and so many things we're working on that when we get closer, we'll have much better clarity, but there's a lot of opportunity out there for us. And you can be sure we're working hard to maximize those opportunities in every way with every supplier and every item we source as well as the labor and other things. So we'll give you more guidance as time goes on, but just recognize, we are clearly focused on this on an ongoing basis.

是的。我同意阿諾德的觀點。我會告訴你，在這一點上我不太願意嘗試將其固定，因為有太多的活動部件和變量以及我們正在做的很多事情，當我們靠近時，我們會有更好的清晰度，但是我們有很多機會。您可以肯定，我們正在努力以各種方式最大限度地利用每個供應商和我們採購的每件物品以及勞動力和其他東西的這些機會。因此，隨著時間的推移，我們將為您提供更多指導，但請認識到，我們顯然會持續關注這一點。

And thank you, everyone. We really appreciate your support and ongoing interest and we're very excited to be having the results we're having at this point. Thank you so much.

謝謝大家。我們非常感謝您的支持和持續的興趣，我們很高興能在這一點上取得成果。非常感謝。

Thank you, everyone. Have a....

謝謝大家。有一個....

Operator?

操作員？

That does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your lines.

這確實結束了今天的電話會議。我們感謝您的參與，並要求您斷開線路。