Cathay General Bancorp (CATY) 2021 Q2 法說會逐字稿

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Cathay General Bancorp's Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call.

My name is Paul, and I'll be your coordinator for today.

(Operator Instructions) Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay at www.cathaygeneralbancorp.com.

Now I would like to turn the call over to Georgia Lo, Investor Relations of Cathay General Bancorp.

Thank you, Paul, and good afternoon.

Here to discuss the financial results today are Mr. Chang Liu, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mr. Heng Chen, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Before we begin, we wish to remind you that the speakers on this call may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the applicable provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 concerning future results and events and that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially.

These risks and uncertainties are further described in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2020, at Item 1A in particular, and in other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission from time to time.

As such, we caution you not to place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements.

Any forward-looking statement speaks only as of the date on which it is made.

And except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update or review any forward-looking statements to reflect future circumstances, developments or events or the occurrence of unanticipated events.

This afternoon, Cathay General Bancorp issued an earnings release outlining its second quarter 2021 results.

To obtain a copy of our earnings release as well as our earnings presentation, please visit our website at www.cathaygeneralbancorp.com.

After comments by management today, we will open this call up for questions.

I will now turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Chang Liu.

Thank you, Georgia, and good afternoon, everyone.

Welcome to our 2021 second quarter earnings conference call.

This afternoon, we reported net income of $77.2 million for the second quarter of 2021, a 5.2% increase as compared to a net income of $73.4 million for the first quarter of 2021.

Diluted earnings per share increased 42.6% to $0.97 per share for the second quarter of 2021 compared to $0.68 per share for the same quarter a year ago.

In the second quarter of 2021, our gross loans, excluding PPP loans, increased by $134.4 million to $15.5 billion, which represents an annualized growth rate of 3.4%.

The increase in loans for the second quarter of 2021 was primarily driven by increases of $72.3 million or 11.1% annualized in commercial loans, excluding PPP loans, and $65.6 million or 3.5% annualized in commercial real estate loans.

We continue to expect full year loan growth, excluding PPP loans, of between 3% and 5%.

During the second quarter of 2021, $118.5 million of PPP loans were forgiven.

As of June 30, 2021, our deferred PPP loan fees were $8.8 million.

We continue to monitor our commercial real estate loans.

Turning to Slide 7 of our earnings presentation.

As of June 30, 2021, the average loan-to-value of our CRE loans was 51%.

As of June 30, 2021, CRE loans with an aggregate balance of $92 million or approximately 1.2% of our CRE loan portfolio remain on loan modifications to provide relief on repayment terms.

All loans under loan modification are continuing to make interest payments.

As of June 30, 2021, our retail property loan portfolio comprises 23% of our total commercial real estate loan portfolio and 11% of our total loan portfolio.

The majority, 61% of the $1.72 billion in retail loans, is secured by neighborhood mixed use or strip centers and only 10% secured by shopping centers.

For the second quarter of 2021, we reported net charge-offs of $7.3 million compared to net charge-offs of $7.8 million in the first quarter of 2021.

Our second quarter charge-offs included an oil and gas loan charge-off of $4.4 million and a commercial loan charge-off of $1.7 million from our Hong Kong office.

Our nonaccrual loans were 0.42% of total loans as of June 30, 2021, decreased by $26.7 million to $67.8 million as compared to the end of the first quarter of 2021.

The decrease was primarily due to a sale of an $18.8 million oil and gas loan at a discount of $4.4 million and a payoff of a $10.1 million commercial real estate loan in April 2021.

Our total oil and gas loan portfolio was $113 million as of June 30, 2021, and no loan was rated substandard.

Please see Page 11 of our earnings presentation.

We recognized a reversal for a credit loss of $9 million in the second quarter of 2021 as compared to a $13.6 million reversal provision for credit losses in the first quarter of 2021.

The reversal for credit losses of $9 million reflected the continuing improvement in the economic forecast made in June 2021 compared to the forecast made in March 2021 by the economic forecaster using our CECL process.

Turning to Slide 12.

Total average deposits increased by $348.7 million or 8.7% during the second quarter of 2021.

Average time deposit decreased by $369.5 million or 23.1% due mainly to the runoff of brokered CDs.

Under the company's $75 million April 1, 2021 buyback program, we repurchased 1.5 million shares of our stocks at an average cost of $41.46, totaling $63.5 million in the second quarter of 2021.

We continue to work on the integration and conversion plan for our purchase of the 10 branches and select West Coast loans and deposits from HSBC.

This transaction will broaden the reach of our Northern and Southern California branch network in addition to acquiring $1 billion in low-cost deposits and $0.8 billion in residential loans.

The transaction is expected to be completed during the first quarter of 2022.

I will now turn the floor over to our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Heng Chen, to discuss the second quarter 2021 financial results in more detail.

Thank you, Chang, and good afternoon, everyone.

For the second quarter of 2021, net income increased by $3.8 million or 5.2% to $77.2 million compared to the first quarter of 2021.

This increase was primarily attributable to a reversal of provision for credit losses and higher net interest income.

Our net interest margin was 3.24% in the second quarter of 2021 as compared to 3.20% in the first quarter of 2021.

In the second quarter of 2021, interest recoveries and prepayment penalties added 3 basis points to the net interest margin as compared to 2 basis points for the first quarter of 2021.

There were $2.9 billion of loans at the floor rate as of June 30, 2021.

Approximately $1.6 billion and $1.4 billion of our CDs mature during the third and fourth quarter of 2021 with average rates of 0.82% and 0.68%, respectively.

We are targeting renewing retail CDs in the 40 to 50 basis point range.

Given the results of the second quarter of 2021, we are maintaining our expectations of our net interest margin for 2021 to be between 3.2% and to 3.3%.

Net interest income during the second quarter of 2021 increased by $2.6 million to $12.6 million when compared to the first quarter of 2021, primarily due to reduced losses in equity securities and a onetime BOLI benefit of $1.2 million.

Noninterest expense decreased by $1.7 million or 2.4% to $69.7 million in the second quarter of 2021 when compared to $71.4 million in the first quarter of 2021.

The decrease was primarily due to a decrease of $0.9 million in amortization of low-income housing and solar tax credit funds and $0.7 million in costs associated with debt redemption.

The effective tax rate for the second quarter of 2021 was 22.7% as compared to 21.9% for the first quarter of 2021.

We expect the full year 2021 effective tax rate to be between 22% and 22.5%.

Solar tax credit amortization was $3.8 million in the second quarter of 2021 and is expected to be $3 million in the second half of 2021.

At June 30, 2021, our Tier 1 leverage capital ratio decreased to 10.85% as compared to 11.06% as of March 31, 2021.

Our Tier 1 risk-based capital ratio decreased to 13.77% from 13.94% as of March 31, 2021.

And our total risk-based capital ratio decreased to 15.47% from 15.84% as of March 31, 2021.

Thank you, Heng.

We will now proceed to the question-and-answer portion of the call.

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Matthew Clark with Piper Sandler.

First question on the other noninterest income.

I think it was up to $10.3 million this quarter from $8.8 million last quarter.

Anything unusual there?

Or is that a good run rate?

No.

We had a $1.2 million BOLI debt benefit.

So that should be nonrecurring.

Okay.

Got it.

Okay.

And then the contribution from PPP revenue in net interest income this quarter?

Yes.

It's in our press release.

Okay.

Never mind.

I can -- I'll find it.

Okay.

And then on the buyback, good to see you guys are pretty proactive this quarter.

What's your appetite for re-upping another buyback, assuming you complete the latest one this quarter?

Well, we'll probably discuss -- request for approval.

Given the fact that our capital ratios are among -- are relatively high and loan growth is moderate, we think buybacks are a good use of our excess capital.

Okay.

And then just on the reserve ex PPP, I think we're down to 90 basis points.

Looking back...

Yes, 84, yes.

Yes.

Yes.

I guess I'm excluding PPP.

But looking back to pre-COVID, you guys are in the 80s.

I mean it's kind of low 80s.

Where do you think it will probably stabilize?

Or do you think you can dip below that?

I think for now, that's probably the number, the range for us.

To the extent that our substandard loans, our nonaccruals drop significantly.

We would see where the model leads us.

Your next question comes from Gary Tenner with D.A. Davidson.

I just wanted to ask about commercial real estate growth.

I know you guided to the full year loan growth range of 3% to 5%, so unchanged.

But in terms of the CRE segment, can you talk about specifically where you saw the growth this quarter and if there were any particular geographic areas that were driving growth?

Sure, Gary.

We saw, I think, some activities, increased activities with mixed-use and apartment and a lot of that with kind of transitional and reposition plays.

Geographically, we saw most of that in California.

We saw some in the East Coast, but most of that came from the West Coast.

Okay.

And then just to go back on PPP for a second, just to kind of put a fine point on it.

In terms of the average PPP balances for the second quarter in terms of the [SCA] loan balances, Heng, do you have that number with you?

Yes.

This is based on the month end balance.

It's $304 million.

I'm sorry, $204 million?

No, $304 million.

$304 million.

Okay.

Yes.

So we had a lot of forgiveness for the month of June.

Your next question comes from Brandon King with Truist Securities.

So I saw there was a decline in residential mortgage loans.

So could you just discuss what your expectations are for residential mortgage going forward and what type of activity you're seeing in the market from your customers?

In terms of mortgage loans for us, we are continuing to see activities.

A lot of it is still on the sales side, although that has slowed down.

We're definitely getting hit on the refi side of our portfolio, seeing a higher rate of payoffs as we have seen from a prior year.

So from a growth perspective, I think the contribution to the revenue and the loan growth overall from our mortgage portfolio is going to be probably smaller than what we've seen in years past.

Okay.

And then I saw loan yields are pretty stable.

Are you seeing continued stability going into latter half of the year?

Or are you still seeing potentially competitive pressures where loan yields haven't bottomed yet?

I think there's still competitive pressure.

Whether or not it has bottomed or not, I think that remains to be seen.

But we do what we can to maintain current existing loan relationships with our clients even though we'll have to suffer a little bit on the yield side.

And for new business, we are as competitive as we can be, obviously, keeping an eye on the overall net interest margin for the entire portfolio.

Okay.

And then lastly, with HSBC deposits coming online early next year, are you -- are there plans to become more aggressive in running off time deposits or with pricing with customers as we get closer to that close?

I think we've talked about our -- I mean HSBC, they have a fairly robust deposit franchise.

So the time CDs are only 10% of that $1 billion book.

So -- but on our side, we would -- between now and the end of the year, we probably have $500 million or $600 million of brokered deposits that we would run off, and that will come out of our excess liquidity, as I said.

Okay.

And just even for those time deposits that renew, would you be more aggressive in pricing those potentially?

Gradually.

I mean some of the smaller Chinese banks, I am seeing on the promotions 1-year CDs at 60 basis points.

So if I'm seeing it, our customers, our depositors are more likely to see it.

So that's what's going to -- that's from another ethnic Chinese bank.

Your next question comes from Chris McGratty with KBW.

This is Chris O'Connell filing in for Chris McGratty.

I know it's a difficult line to project, and I appreciate the color on the solar tax credit, but is it fair to say that the total amortization tax credit line holds going through year-end, which is coming down a bit in the solar tax credit that you mentioned in the opening comments?

Yes.

It's -- we sent a copy of our investor slides to Chris, and you can also get it on the Internet, I think.

But on Page 15 of our investor slides, we have it broken out by quarter for the last 5 quarters.

So the low income housing has been -- in the last 3 quarters, it averaged about $6.5 million.

And then the solar, it's running down.

It was $5 million in Q1, $3.8 million in Q2, and then we think $1.5 million in Q3 and the same in Q4.

Now we're planning to get back into that field next year because there's more clarity as to the Biden administration stance on the corporate minimum tax.

So then -- so that expense will start to ramp up again in 2022.

Got it.

I appreciate the color there.

And then given the earlier comments around the reserve and credit, so it sounds like it's fair to say that pending any major changes, that the reserve levels sound like they'll hold from here.

Do you see any scenario where the reserve begins to drop down kind of below where it was in 4Q '19, around that 82 basis point or so level?

We might.

It's like if there's a mix change where our residential mortgage loans become a higher percentage, but more importantly, if our substandard loans drop to very low levels and our nonaccruals drop, then we would view that as justification to use the model number because the model is going to continue to pull us down a little bit every quarter.

Your next question comes from David Chiaverini with Wedbush Securities.

A couple of questions for you, starting with C&I loan growth.

Can you talk about the demand environment and, if possible, utilization rates of your borrowers?

Yes.

I think on the C&I side, we're seeing some increased activities from different industries.

We had, as we mentioned in prior calls, brought on a new team that has added to some new relationships with the bank.

As far as the utilization rates at the moment, I think through the first couple of quarters of the year, they're modest, but we're -- we've talked to some customers where we believe that the utilization rates will move up in the third and fourth quarter.

Great.

And then on the deposit side, can you talk about the deposit environment?

You guys put a pretty decent core deposit growth this quarter.

Can you talk about the outlook on deposits?

The focus there is to reduce our reliance on CDs and try to focus more on business commercial accounts and transactional deposits.

And that's really -- that's -- one, that will increase our core deposits.

And two, that will continue to hopefully drive down the cost of deposits.

Great.

And then looking at -- you guys have been able to pay down your borrowings to a pretty low level and, at the same time, add to the securities portfolio in the most recent quarter so low.

Should we expect securities purchases to pick up?

I think they'll -- it's hard to be a fixed income investor.

I mean on the last call, it looked like the tenure was going to go to 2%, [up] 2% in 3 or 4 months.

Now it's at 1.28%.

So we're trying to, every quarter, buy a certain amount.

But we're going to be cautious because I think this inflation debate, there is merit for it becoming embedded in people's expectations and in labor costs.

So at some point, the Fed may have -- if they ever fall behind the ball in terms of controlling inflation, they're going to have to increase rates rapidly to keep the inflation in check.

So we're looking at it every quarter and trying to buy about the same amount that we have in the first 2 quarters.

Yes.

But I think last quarter, you were talking about how you were getting -- I think it was $50 million or so of maturities per quarter, and you were purchasing maybe $75 million per quarter.

Is that still the case?

Or is it really dependent on the rate environment?

No.

It was -- we bought $150 million, that's what we said, in the maturities of MBS and the maturities were $75 million.

And for the third quarter, that's still our plan.

(Operator Instructions) Your next question comes from Gary Tenner from D.A. Davidson.

I just wanted to clarify on your deposit comments.

The brokered deposits, I think you mentioned $500 million to $600 million that run off, I'm sure, the back half of this year.

Is that included in the $3 billion or so time deposits you mentioned previously?

Mostly.

We have some brokered money market.

So in that number is $150 million of brokered money market.

Okay.

And of those brokered deposits, what's the rate on those as compared to the rate you gave us on the CDs?

Well, of the brokered money market, we were fortunate we've got $100 million at 1 basis point.

[That was] in last December.

And then the other $50 million, that's 18 basis points.

And then the brokered CD rates, they tend to be in the 150 range.

They were made a year ago.

Your next question comes from Matthew Clark with Piper Sandler.

Just want to follow up on the core expense run rate.

You guys have done a good job of holding that run rate pretty flat since last year, just under $59 million.

What are your thoughts on that run rate going forward?

And any kind of reinvestment needs or savings?

Yes.

We're trying to maintain that.

The -- we might get -- we might have to increase our bonus accruals, particularly when we get to the fourth quarter when we see how we compare to budget.

But aside from that, I mean we still have process improvement.

We did close 2 branches here in June.

So we -- I think for 2022, if inflation is 3%, we'd probably be at 2.5% or something like that.

Thank you for your participation.

I will now turn the call back over to Cathay General Bancorp's management for closing remarks.

I want to thank everyone for joining us on our call, and we look forward to speaking with you at our next quarterly earnings release call.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference.

This concludes the presentation.

You may now disconnect.

Good day.