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  • Operator

  • Good morning.

  • My name is Jennifer, and I will be our conference operator today.

  • At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the third-quarter earnings call.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • Thank you.

  • And Ms. Reilly Tharp, you may begin your conference.

  • - VP, IR

  • Thanks, Jennifer.

  • Good morning, and thank you for participating in the Brown Shoe Company third-quarter 2013 earnings call, which is being made available to the public via webcast.

  • I am Peggy Reilly Tharp, Vice President of Investor Relations for Brown Shoe Company.

  • Earlier today we distributed a press release with detailed financial tables, which is available on our website at brownshoe.com.

  • In addition, slides are available on our website for you to reference during today's call.

  • Please be aware that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements, which are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties.

  • Actual results may differ materially due to various risk factors, including but not limited to the factors disclosed in the Company's Form 10-K and other filings with the US Securities and Exchange Commission.

  • Please refer to today's press release and our SEC filings for more information on risk factors and other factors that could impact forward-looking statements.

  • Copies of these reports are available online.

  • The Company undertakes no obligation to update any information discussed in this call at any time.

  • Joining us on the call today are Diane Sullivan, President and Chief Executive Officer; Russ Hammer, Chief Financial Officer; and Rick Ausick, President of Famous Footwear.

  • Today we will begin with a strategy review from Diane, followed by a financial summary from Russ, before turning the call back over for Q&A.

  • And I would now like to turn the call over to Diane Sullivan.

  • - President & CEO

  • Hello, and thanks very much for joining us this morning as we report another good quarter of Brown Shoe Company results.

  • Third-quarter consolidated sales of $702.8 million were up 1% over last year.

  • And that excludes sales from discontinued brands.

  • Earnings per share of $0.63 were up 12.5%, while gross margin of 39.6% declined 50 basis points.

  • Operating margin of 6.4% was up 50 basis points.

  • And as you know, we have been working hard to advance our corporate operating margin to reach our long-term goal of 8%.

  • While this was a really terrific quarter, there is still room to grow this metric.

  • We have been able to make some outstanding progress against our financial targets the past 18 months.

  • Our strategy is working.

  • And through the third quarter of this year, we have already delivered $0.27 more in earnings versus the first nine months of 2012.

  • Let's get into the details, starting with Famous Footwear, where we saw continued growth in same-store sales, up 4.9% for the quarter.

  • And this strength was across all geographies, climate zones and genders.

  • We delivered record quarterly sales at Famous Footwear of $439.6 million, while operating margin of 8.4% was up 30 basis points.

  • During the quarter, Famous Footwear capped off a great back-to-school season with 5.6% same-store sales growth.

  • I know we gave you a pretty good update, I think, on our back-to-school strategy and execution during our second-quarter call.

  • But I would like to just stress that our success is due to the work we have done over the last 18 months, and we are continuing to build on that foundation.

  • We accelerated our store portfolio review, and are now in a much better position in terms of store profitability and revenue per square foot.

  • We also invested in our assortment efforts.

  • We are focused on a smaller number of key styles, but providing greater depth with those products.

  • And finally, we have developed a relevant and compelling approach to marketing that has really resonated with the consumer.

  • And the results have followed.

  • Now, despite our success during back-to-school, like many of our peers, we did experience weak traffic patterns during the quarter, and actually, throughout the year.

  • However, our conversion rate has remained strong in the third quarter, up 5.3%, while pairs per transaction and AURs were also positive for the quarter.

  • In terms of product categories and styles, we continued to see good success with canvas, which was up 25%, including boat shoes.

  • Lightweight running is still also tracking very well, and accounts for nearly two-thirds of all running shoe sales.

  • And when back-to-school was in full swing during the quarter, we saw strong growth in sports slides, up 32%, and continued strength in sandals, up 16%, as warmer weather remained with us during the quarter.

  • Not surprisingly, this growth appears to have come at the expense of the boot category, which was up only 2%.

  • Although we only have a few weeks of the fourth quarter behind us, boot sales have been somewhat sluggish in November.

  • But we feel confident that we have the right product in-store for when the consumer is ready to buy.

  • At Famous.com, sales were up 6% in the quarter.

  • And Russ is going to talk in a little more detail about our online and our omni channel results.

  • Now, let's turn to our wholesale operations for a minute, where sales of $205.3 million were up 4.5%, excluding sales from discontinued brands.

  • As we have moved into the fall season, we have seen high-shaft boots, shooties and booties doing well for all of our brands.

  • We are seeing a lot of buckle and strap details, jewel-toned suedes, distressed leathers, which are somewhat new for a lot of consumers this season.

  • Healthy Living wholesale sales were down 5.6% in the third quarter, excluding sales from discontinued brands.

  • But as we talked about last quarter, approximately $7 million of Healthy Living sales, primarily Naturalizer, shifted into the second quarter from the third quarter this year.

  • So if you look at the Healthy Living portfolio on a year-to-date basis, sales are up 1.2% over 2012, in line with our expectations.

  • And we expect to be running somewhere around up 2% by year-end.

  • At Naturalizer, our largest wholesale brand, all-in sales were down 6.1% in the quarter.

  • However, most telling is that retail sell-throughs are up year over year on lower inventory.

  • And we have also seen significant improvements in the non-store channel, with retailers like Zappos, Amazon and HSN driven primarily by boots.

  • And at Naturalizer, retail same-store sales were up nearly 1%, with a slower September turning into a strong October.

  • And that has continued into November.

  • At Dr. Scholl's, good growth at the mid-tier was offset by lower sales at the mass channel.

  • And of course, as we have shifted the balance of this brand to a more profitable customer mix, we have seen a related improvement in gross margin.

  • LifeStride continued to deliver sales success across the board.

  • And the brand also grew third-party e-commerce sales by 40% in the quarter.

  • And for Ryka, although sales were down year over year, they are in line with our expectations.

  • At our Contemporary Fashion brand, wholesale sales of $98.4 million were up 19.3% in the quarter, excluding sales from discontinued brands.

  • The improvement we have seen with this platform is due to better product performance from our key brands.

  • And we should see a continuation of these trends into the fourth quarter.

  • Sam Edelman continues to be red hot, up mid double-digits in the third quarter.

  • Early in the fourth quarter, we launched our Sam Edelman e-commerce site to rave reviews, as consumers are thrilled to be finally able to buy Sam's shoes directly from the source.

  • While it is clearly very early, the site is currently performing well.

  • And we are also pleased with the performance we are seeing with our licensed partners.

  • Although very early and a small part of our business, it is an important part of the future expansion plans for this brand and for our wholesale operations.

  • Franco Sarto had mid double-digit sales in the quarter, as well.

  • Up 37%, with flats, casual, booties and riding boots doing well.

  • At Carlos, boots also performed well.

  • However, sales were down year over year, but up versus expectations.

  • And for Fergie, casual boots and dress sandals performed well, but weakness at the mid-tier weighed down sales for the quarter.

  • At Via Spiga, sales are gradually improving, as we have been talking about the last couple of quarters.

  • And we expect this brand's performance to begin to level out in the fourth quarter.

  • So far this season, wedges, boots and booties, pointy-toe pumps and flats are doing well.

  • And we brought on a new designer for the brand, Paul Andrew.

  • Paul has been singled out by many top-tier retailers for the debut of his own label this past spring.

  • He is actually going to receive the Launch of the Year honors at Footwear News Achievement Awards this December.

  • And you will also be able to see his first collection for Via Spiga in December at FNAA, as well.

  • Finally, our newest brand, Vince, continues to see good consumer interest, with key sellers in all categories: sneakers, flats, heels and booties.

  • So while Vince is still a small part of our contemporary fashion portfolio, it is growing.

  • And by 2014, we will have doubled our number of doors.

  • And for sure, we know this brand is really in demand by consumers, as we could see last Friday when they did their IPO.

  • This was a good quarter for all of our businesses, and we continued on the path we set out at the beginning of the year.

  • So to reflect the better clarity we have following the biggest quarter of the year for us, we are raising our adjusted EPS guidance range to $1.36 to $1.40.

  • You know, when we reported our second-quarter earnings, we received a fair amount of grief for our realistic view of the back half.

  • While I am pleased we were able to modestly out-perform almost all of our analyst expectations this quarter, I believe we maintained the appropriate amount of realism in terms of our guidance, based on the macro environment.

  • And I will tell you that we are employing that same realism as we look towards the fourth quarter and beyond.

  • As our wholesale peers and our retail partners have reported their third quarters, you will have heard a lot of concerns swirling around out there in terms of the promotional environment, consumer sentiment, et cetera, over a lot of things that we don't have control over.

  • So we are going to continue to operate as we have all year.

  • And we are going to be focused on executing the things that we have control over, and try to appropriately plan for the external factors that are beyond that scope.

  • So with that, I would now like to turn the call over to Russ, who is going to review our financials and a little more details around our guidance.

  • - CFO

  • Thank you, Diane.

  • And thank you, everyone, for joining us on both the call and the webcast.

  • We certainly appreciate it.

  • Although Diane briefly reviewed our consolidated sales, I would like to add a little more color.

  • For the third quarter, we reported net sales of $702.8 million, versus $696 million in the prior year.

  • And both amounts excluded sales from discontinued operations.

  • As a reminder, discontinued operations include the Avia, Nevados, Vera Wang, and Aigner brands.

  • For the third quarter, there were minimal sales from the other brands and businesses we have exited.

  • Which include our F.X. LaSalle and Brown Shoe Closet stores, and also our children's and women's specialty wholesale brands.

  • We reported net earnings of $27.3 million in the third quarter or $0.63 per diluted share, up 12.4% compared to $24.3 million in the prior year or $0.56 per diluted share.

  • Third-quarter 2012 included portfolio realignment costs of $2.6 million on a pretax basis.

  • I would now like to turn to our individual businesses, beginning with the Famous Footwear, which is part of our targeted family platform.

  • As Diane discussed, we reported good third-quarter results, with same-store sales up 4.9%.

  • On a trailing 12-month basis, our revenue per square foot is solidly over $205 and approaching $210.

  • We remain on track to close or relocate approximately 60 stores, and we expect to open 51 in total this year.

  • In the third quarter, we closed or relocated 22 stores and opened 11.

  • Turning to our wholesale operations, sales of $205.3 million were up 4.5%, excluding sales from discontinued brands.

  • Contemporary Fashion third-quarter wholesale sales of $98.4 million, excluding sales from discontinued brands, were up 19.3%.

  • As Diane mentioned, our Healthy Living wholesale sales of $106.6 million were down 5.6% in the third quarter, excluding sales from discontinued brands.

  • But up 1.2% for the first nine months of the year.

  • Wholesale sales via our external e-commerce partners were up 25%., while our Famous.com site was up 6%.

  • In total, our owned e-commerce businesses accounted for slightly less than 5% of our third-quarter sales.

  • As we mentioned last quarter, we are seeing more consumers more rapidly merging their in-store and online shopping into a true omni-channel experience, browsing on their computer, tablet or mobile device, and then heading into the store only when they are ready to buy.

  • For truly integrated retailers like Famous Footwear, this is good news, as we provide consumers with both fully functional brick-and-mortar stores and a robust online and mobile experience.

  • Now let's turn to a review of our financial metrics.

  • Overall gross margin for continuing operations was 39.6% in the third quarter, which was down approximately 50 basis points.

  • The majority of this weakness was primarily related to Ryka, as the team has begun working to transform this promising brand.

  • On a year-to-date basis, gross margin for our continuing operations is up 50 basis points.

  • And as you read in our earnings release, we expect this metric to be up slightly for the full year.

  • SG&A spend of $233.5 million was down 1.1% in the quarter.

  • And at 33.2% of revenue, it was down approximately 70 basis points year over year.

  • Inventory at quarter-end was $544.6 million, up from $512.2 million in 2012.

  • At Famous Footwear, total inventory was up 4.8%, while wholesale inventory was up 8.5%, driven by our higher growth brands.

  • Net interest expense of $5.1 million was down 3.8% in the quarter, due to reduction in overall debt.

  • Our consolidated tax rate was 31.6% for the quarter.

  • And cash and cash equivalents were $42.4 million, up 3.7%.

  • We ended the quarter with zero borrowings against our revolving credit agreement.

  • While this is a great achievement, clearly we will be using our revolver as we take on inventory for spring.

  • Still, there's no denying the progress we have made in our debt reduction efforts.

  • Year-to-date depreciation and amortization were $41.1 million for the quarter, while capital expenditures were $41.6 million.

  • Our debt-to-capital ratio improved to 30.6% from 41.7% in the third quarter of 2012.

  • Before we begin Q&A, I would like to review our fiscal 2013 guidance.

  • As Diane mentioned, we are updating our guidance to reflect our performance year to date.

  • And we now expect consolidated net sales of $2.53 billion to $2.54 billion.

  • Same-store sales at Famous Footwear up low single-digits.

  • Net sales at wholesale operations up mid single-digits for continuing operations.

  • Gross profit margin up approximately 10 basis points for continuing operations.

  • SG&A of $910 million to $915 million will be flat to down slightly as a percentage of sales.

  • And net interest expense of $21 million to $22 million.

  • An effective tax rate on an adjusted basis of 31% to 32%.

  • Depreciation and amortization of $54 million to $56 million.

  • And capital expenditures, $54 million to $56 million.

  • GAAP earnings per diluted share for 2013 are expected to be between $0.82 and $0.86, and this includes $31 million of non recurring costs.

  • And adjusted earnings per diluted share of $1.36 to $1.40.

  • Finally, we expect we could see some wholesale sales shift from the fourth quarter of 2013 into the first quarter of 2014, as retailers navigate their fiscal year-end spring product arrivals and an earlier Chinese new year.

  • With that, operator, we would be happy to answer all questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • Scott Krasik with BB&T Capital Markets.

  • - Analyst

  • It's actually Kelly for Scott.

  • Thanks for taking my question, great quarter.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thanks Kathy.

  • How are you?

  • It's Kelly.

  • - Analyst

  • Great.

  • First I just want to talk about now that you are -- obviously see a lot of strength in athletic and casual this year.

  • As you look to next year, can you just talk about how you are planning to lap these tough comparisons in athletic and casual?

  • - President & CEO

  • Sure.

  • I think we will ask Rick to answer that one.

  • - President, Famous Footwear

  • Well, I will tell you, we have just come through our back-to-school pre-lines with all of our major athletic guys, and in the process of finalizing all that.

  • And frankly, on the athletic side, we see no reason why there isn't still room for growth.

  • We think the product still looks great, innovations and newness, color, all the things we think customers are looking for.

  • So we have no problem with that on the canvas side.

  • Even though it has been a great growth for us, we still have room to expand that assortment into more stores and into more styles.

  • So we think there's still opportunity in that, as well.

  • Even with the growth we have had, we see no reason why we can't have continued growth in those two categories for 2014.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, now, just shifting over to wholesale.

  • The gross margins were down in the quarter.

  • Can you just talk a little bit more about the outlook there, and dig a little deeper?

  • Because it is difficult for us to get a grasp on where these are going, considering you have lapped the SAP issues, and your higher-margin businesses are growing at a faster pace.

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes.

  • Maybe I will make a couple comments, and then Russ can fill in.

  • You know, to give you a perspective around the total portfolio and not just the quarter, Kelly, I am going to talk a little bit about the year-to-date performance and what we expect by the end of the year.

  • Because I think it helps clean it all up.

  • Sam's, Franco, Vince and LifeStride -- those four brands are really ahead of our expectations.

  • And in some cases, very much ahead of our expectations.

  • Naturalizer, Dr. Scholl's, Ryka and Carlos are really trending with what we thought, up 1% or 2% to LY what we think the year is going to look like.

  • And Via Spiga and Fergie are the ones that are somewhat (technical difficulty).

  • So we are going to expect to see margins up all-in at the end of the year.

  • - CFO

  • Right.

  • And I would just add, primarily, as I mentioned earlier, Ryka was the primary reason why the margins were down in the quarter.

  • And that is what the teams are working on.

  • The portfolio and making the adjustments with the new portfolio that will be coming out.

  • So we have some hits in the quarter due to Ryka.

  • But on a year-to-date basis, all of our margins are up, in all of our brands, across our segments.

  • So we see an increase reflecting the continued improvement in all of our margins.

  • We see our strategy is definitely working.

  • - Analyst

  • All right, thank you, that is very helpful.

  • And just lastly, could you just elaborate on your plans for Vince, given the recent IPO there?

  • You know, stepped up their expectations for store growth.

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes, it is actually incredibly exciting.

  • We loved the brand before we learned of the IPO -- we think it just resonates with the consumer really well.

  • As I said, we are really looking at doubling our door count.

  • It really feels like there is this white space in this market for this luxury casual look.

  • So we've really got some terrific iconic shoes already out there that we think we are going to be able to continue to build on.

  • And then beyond that, who knows what will happen?

  • But right now, looks very positive.

  • - Analyst

  • All right, great.

  • Thank you, guys.

  • - CFO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Steve Marotta with CL King and Associates.

  • - Analyst

  • The 5% comp in the third quarter was tremendous.

  • Congrats on that.

  • Can you talk a little bit quarter to date?

  • Have you seen the balance accelerate into November?

  • I know it is also a difficult comparisons, given Thanksgiving.

  • But any sort of commentary there would be helpful.

  • - President, Famous Footwear

  • It's a difficult comparison based on Thanksgiving.

  • (laughter) I think, Steve, we've got probably another week or 10 days before we annualize, at least -- we were up against Cyber Monday yesterday.

  • We were up against Thanksgiving last week, in the calendar.

  • So until we get through next week, it's really hard to look at that.

  • But we are trending close to our plan, so we figure if we planned it correctly, we should come out of this okay.

  • But again, there is a lot of business to be done between tomorrow and next Tuesday.

  • So we probably want to hold on talking more about that.

  • - Analyst

  • I will call you next week, Rick.

  • Thank you very much.

  • (laughter)

  • Also, can you comment on potential comp drivers for next year, either specific product categories, specific marketing programs, larger emphasis on customer service and conversions.

  • Can you just talk about what you believe will be the primary drivers of comp next year?

  • - President, Famous Footwear

  • Yes, we still -- again, I know everybody keeps saying -- when is the running business going to stop?

  • And I don't know, because it keeps getting better.

  • And so I think we still have a great opportunity there.

  • One of the things that people, I think, might have missed, Steve, is the number one running shoe in all of athletic selling in the third quarter was a shoe we carried.

  • That is the first time that has ever happened.

  • The men's Nike Flex was the number one running shoe in the third quarter.

  • When that happens, that just gives us the opportunity to participate harder for the customer that is looking for that product.

  • So as that happens, and they continue to bring us innovation and new styling there, we don't see that business actually slowing down much.

  • On the other side of that, we are going to try a little spring boot business and see if there's some business there on the casual side.

  • Because we think the customer -- at least, the back-to-school -- is really receptive to those styles.

  • Now we just go into lighter colorations and see if there's some opportunity with that.

  • And then, the canvas business.

  • The other thing that was pretty surprising, I guess, a pleasant surprise is, we have a huge Converse business.

  • And when we -- and we impacted our Vans business big time for back-to-school.

  • Converse had an increase, and we've had a huge increase in Vans.

  • So those two brands seem to be coexisting very nicely together in our stores.

  • And we still have opportunity on both of them to grow them into first-half and into back-to-school.

  • So those are probably the biggest things.

  • - President & CEO

  • And even on, Steve, I would even add to what Rick said.

  • He and the team do an incredible job even on building against a lot of the fundamental shifts that he has made in terms of portfolio change, the marketing shift, and all that.

  • And so you add that -- the upside that he continues to see on the merchandising side built on that foundational shift that we made in the structure of Famous Footwear, as well.

  • - President, Famous Footwear

  • That too.

  • (laughter)

  • - CFO

  • With fewer stores in the quarter.

  • - Analyst

  • Great.

  • And actually I was just going to ask about store opening opportunities next year.

  • And now that you have ramped from a productivity standpoint on a per-door basis, can you talk about opportunities to either fill in markets, and what the potential square foot --

  • - President, Famous Footwear

  • I think our plan for next year is to have about 15 to 20 net store gains.

  • So 45 store openings, 15 to 20 store closings, something on that range -- 20 to 25 store closings, something in that range.

  • So about 15 to 20 net new stores next year is what our plan is.

  • But we are looking at it.

  • We are doing some work around what that opportunity might be, and if there's ways to accelerate.

  • But that's what we are looking at right now.

  • - Analyst

  • Very helpful.

  • Thank you again.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thanks, Steve.

  • Operator

  • Jill Nelson with Johnson Rice.

  • - Analyst

  • You touched a bit about it on the wholesale, some questions on whether you get some orders shifted from fourth quarter to first quarter.

  • And it seems as though -- are you including some of that potential shift into your guidance?

  • And if there is any way you can quantify what you have in your outlook.

  • - CFO

  • So in our outlook, I think, given the environment out there, we are cautiously optimistic.

  • So implied in that guidance would be a little bit of that.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then, if you could talk about the boot category.

  • It seems as though you talked a bit more softer turns at Famous Footwear.

  • But then when you talked about the wholesale brand, it seems as though you had some stronger boot trends.

  • Could you talk about that diversion or variance between the two?

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes.

  • I guess I would say, Jill, at Famous, certainly back-to-school started off with a real big bang.

  • The team there did a great job of really assorting shooties and boots -- lace-up boots during that back-to-school season had a significant presence there, and it did extremely well.

  • Obviously as the weather has stayed relatively warm and there is a lot of other alternatives for the consumer to buy, it softens a little bit.

  • But again, as I said, I think we are up 2% in total, in boots.

  • And we expect to be in a great position going forward.

  • On our wholesale side, much higher percentage of our business there is in the boot category.

  • And the consumer really is shifting -- blending, I guess, boots and casual and how she is wearing that into a much broader category.

  • So we had a little more opportunity on the wholesale side to grow that business.

  • And I think one of the big surprises -- or bigger surprises, has been the tall shaft boots, the riding boots.

  • I think everyone thought that, that was not going to be as strong a category as it has been.

  • And it really -- it has been a sell out.

  • I can tell you in Naturalizer boots, we are already sold out on -- and in virtually any other riding boots in any of our brands are virtually gone at this point in time.

  • I don't know if that helps.

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, it does.

  • And just last question is on the Naturalizer brand.

  • I know that you're looking at quarterly revenue performance, it's a bit skewed, given the calendar shift.

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes, it is.

  • - Analyst

  • But it seems as though last quarter that, that brand started to see a recovery from some challenging trends last year.

  • If you strip out the whole calendar-end shift, are you still confident that, that brand is on a rebound?

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes, absolutely.

  • I am.

  • It was kind of lumpy, for sure, between second and third quarter, just the way it all played out.

  • But I'm very confident in terms of the performance of that brand.

  • And I would expect it to continue to show improvement fourth quarter, and then into next year.

  • No issues on that.

  • - Analyst

  • All right, appreciate it.

  • Thank you.

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes.

  • Operator

  • Chris Svezia with Susquehanna Financial.

  • - Analyst

  • Nice job on the quarter.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thanks.

  • - Analyst

  • Just when you think about wholesale, how are your partners at this point thinking about the back half, fourth quarter?

  • Are they being -- just given the promotional cadence -- is it business as usual?

  • Have they -- are they managing their inventory a little bit better, so there is less mark-down support potential?

  • I'm just curious if there is anything different you're seeing optically this go-round, versus other periods at all.

  • - President & CEO

  • Not yet.

  • I think our expectation, for sure, is that it is going to be more promotional, that there is going to be more couponing and discounts, and you name it.

  • How much of it is hard to say yet.

  • But in terms of order flow and that kind of thing, Chris, not a significant shift at all.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then if you -- anything you can add about how they are thinking about spring, if you take out Chinese New Year, things shifting little bit.

  • Any other color how they are thinking about spring orders at this point in time?

  • - President & CEO

  • It's a little early for me to comment too much about that.

  • But again, I think everybody is waiting to see how this holiday season does.

  • But in general, there is nothing that would be in the cards, I guess I would say, that has us concerned about spring.

  • They make their final determination about receipts and all of that, really, after the holidays, about things that they might want to tweak or shift or change.

  • But right now I would say I am not really concerned.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • That's good to hear.

  • Mix in wholesale.

  • I'm just curious.

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes.

  • - Analyst

  • As you start to think about the Contemporary Fashion continuing to grow at strong rates, just say.

  • I mean, what --

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes.

  • - Analyst

  • (multiple speakers) slow Sam Edelman, if Via Spiga starts to turn around?

  • And then you think about the lifestyle business.

  • I am just curious.

  • How do we think about the margin profile of wholesale suddenly?

  • Does it really -- do both continue to show improvement, because you are more focused on --

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes.

  • - Analyst

  • -- the sell-through piece?

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes.

  • - Analyst

  • Or does it potentially accelerate just because suddenly your higher-margin businesses continue to grow and surprise, and grow at a faster rate?

  • I'm curious how we think about that.

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes.

  • It's a great question.

  • And yes, we do expect margin expansion on both our Healthy Living and Contemporary Fashion business.

  • And we have not changed at all that target that we have out there for an 8% operating margin for the Company all-in.

  • So yes, while Contemporary Fashions are growing their top line at a faster rate than the other segments, we still have a lot of work to do in terms of ensuring that the margins and operating margins continue to perform well.

  • And the same with the Healthy Living side, too.

  • So I would -- the way I guess I would say it is, more top line growth in Contemporary Fashion with comparable improvements in operating margin.

  • And slower top line growth on the Healthy Living side, with slightly slower growth in operating margins.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • All right, I got it.

  • And then just on Famous, real quick.

  • You mentioned athletic, you mentioned running, you mentioned canvas.

  • Any thoughts about -- let's throw it out there -- the boat shoe business?

  • How well that has done for you guys?

  • Just any thoughts as you think about that for next year?

  • Does that continue to be a driver for you guys?

  • - President, Famous Footwear

  • Our business is still continuing to be really strong, Chris.

  • And so I think we are watching it.

  • The industry keeps talking about how it has softened in some categories or in some channels of distribution.

  • We are expanding some store counts in a few places.

  • And right now, we still think it's a positive opportunity.

  • But we will watch it, and we won't get too far ahead of it.

  • But we still think there is opportunity to grow that business next year.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, sounds good.

  • Well, all the best, take care.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thanks.

  • Have a nice Thanksgiving, Chris.

  • - Analyst

  • You, too.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • And we have no further questions at this time.

  • I would like to turn the call back over to Diane Sullivan.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thanks very much.

  • Appreciate everybody joining us this morning, and we wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving to them and their families.

  • See you soon.

  • Take care.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • This does conclude today's conference call.

  • You may now disconnect.