康尼格拉食品 (CAG) 2012 Q1 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good morning and welcome to today's ConAgra Foods first quarter earnings conference call.

  • This program is being recorded.

  • My name is Jessica Morgan and I'll be your conference facilitator.

  • All audience lines are currently in a listen-only mode.

  • However, our speakers will address your questions at the end of the presentation during the formal question-and-answer session.

  • At this time I'd like to introduce your host for today's program, Gary Rodkin, Chief Executive Officer of ConAgra Foods.

  • Please go ahead, Mr.

  • Rodkin.

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • Thank you.

  • Good morning.

  • Welcome to the call and thanks for joining us.

  • I'm Gary Rodkin and I'm here with John Gehring, our CFO, and Chris Klinefelter, VP of Investor Relations.

  • This morning we'll talk about the strategic, operating and financial aspects of the quarter and then take your questions.

  • But before we get started Chris will say a few words about housekeeping matters.

  • Chris Klinefelter - VP of IR

  • Good morning.

  • During today's remarks we will make some forward-looking statements.

  • And while we're making those statements in good faith and are confident about our Company's direction, we do not have any guarantee about the results that we will achieve.

  • So, if you would like to learn more about the risks and factors that could influence and affect our business, I'll refer you to the documents we filed with the SEC, which include cautionary language.

  • Also, we'll be discussing some non-GAAP financial measures during the call today.

  • And the reconciliations of those measures to the most directly comparable measures for Regulation G compliance can be found in either the earnings press release, Q&A or on our website under the Financial Reports and Filings link, and then choosing Non-GAAP Reconciliations.

  • Now I'll turn it back over to Gary.

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • Thanks, Chris.

  • As you can see from the release, EPS from continuing operations was $0.20 as reported, and $0.29 on a comparable basis.

  • Last year's comparable amount was $0.34.

  • As we communicated before, we planned for a year-over-year decline this quarter, principally due to the timing of pricing and inflation.

  • Our full-year guidance remains intact.

  • We expect low to mid single digit growth in EPS for fiscal 2012 and operating cash flows to exceed $1.2 billion.

  • While we planned for a year-over-year EPS decline, our first quarter was slightly lower than we originally expected due to weak market dynamics in the commercial segment.

  • I'll start with some segment highlights.

  • Our Consumer Foods segment grew net sales by 4% with flat volume.

  • That means 4% price mix contribution, which grew as the quarter progressed.

  • As we said we would, we took pricing during the quarter, but the environment continues to be very challenging.

  • That means our 4% price mix increase, plus our robust cost savings, were not enough to overcome 11% COGS inflation.

  • As you would expect, it's typical for a lag to occur between price increases and inflation in our industry.

  • Of course, that hurts margins in the short term.

  • During Q1, we announced net price increases for a number of our brands.

  • We now have increased net prices either through trade or list price increases on most of our portfolio.

  • We feel good about that progress but we need to do more.

  • Overall our volumes have held in line with our range of expectations at this point in the process.

  • And we're taking further price actions as increases to our input costs warrant.

  • Clearly, this is our focus.

  • In fact, because pricing is so important to our long-term growth, we've built a new function around it.

  • We call this revenue growth management.

  • This team will bring more rigor and timeliness to our pricing models.

  • I'm pleased to say this team is in place and already making a difference.

  • How?

  • By enabling the application of a consistent pricing methodology and providing more robust analytics.

  • For example, a better understanding of how a price change will impact our customers' business as well as our own.

  • We're approaching this with heightened rigor and precision that will drive pricing actions that make sense for all stakeholders.

  • I want to make it clear that even after we implement responsible and necessary price increases, our portfolio still represents outstanding value.

  • In the US, spending for food at home as a percent of household income is at an all time low since tracking began at 6%.

  • We understand the current difficult conditions facing everyday consumers; our consumers.

  • And those conditions impose practical limits on what we can and should do through pricing.

  • We get that.

  • The main point is that even after responsible pricing, our products, including hundreds of meal SKUs for less than $3, are still a really strong value for consumers.

  • So that's pricing, one important lever for top line growth.

  • Innovation is another very critical growth driver for us.

  • We're growing through innovation and we continue to benefit from the innovation pipeline we've created over the last several years.

  • Orville Redenbacher's pop-up bowl is a great example of an innovation that's resonating with consumers.

  • During the quarter the brand made good progress with sales, volume and share gains.

  • Our new pop-up bowl is bringing energy to the category and we're pleased to see that.

  • You might have seen our advertising featuring magician Criss Angel.

  • This marketing is a terrific showcase of a true breakthrough in microwave popcorn.

  • Next up for Orville Redenbacher's is a campaign that helps consumers better understand the true benefits of popcorn as a snack.

  • We want consumers to know more about popcorn's inherent nutrition so this marketing is fun, and people might learn a thing or two about popcorn.

  • I'm betting you'll notice and like these ads when you see them later this fall.

  • I'm looking forward to marketing helping us continue our positive momentum on Orville Redenbacher's.

  • We're using innovation to grow in categories that are relatively new for us too.

  • During Q1, we introduced a new line of frozen single-serve microwaveable fruit pies under the Marie Callender's label.

  • Expanding our core business into adjacent categories that are growing helps us efficiently leverage our core infrastructure and drive more growth for key brands.

  • The initial response has been very good.

  • This innovation contributed to the strong performance of the Marie Callender's overall.

  • Marie Callender's continued its winning streak, making gains in revenue, volume and share.

  • There's a few reasons for those gains.

  • The new Marie Callender's Bakes are doing well in the multi-serve category.

  • We had strong base performance across Marie Callender's dinners, pot pies and fresh flavor steamers.

  • And in fact, Marie Callender's single-serve meals accounted for the fastest-growing brand in the overall frozen single-serve meal category during our first quarter, up 12% in dollar sales according to syndicated data.

  • It's a great brand equity.

  • Beyond Orville Redenbacher's and Marie Callender's, we had other brands posting good growth this quarter.

  • Healthy Choice is one of those brands.

  • We saw excellent revenue, volume and share growth for Healthy Choice frozen meals.

  • We launched new advertising this month with a TV campaign that features, among others, Jane Lynch of Glee fame.

  • But most importantly, these ads make food the star, because they showcase the brand's premium ingredients.

  • When consumers are trying to make wise decisions about their dollars and their nutrition, the food has to be truly top-notch.

  • We believe Healthy Choice is and we think our new ads make that clear.

  • Overall, we're pleased with the top line improvement in our branded portfolio.

  • We're expecting more growth in both top and bottom line as the year progresses.

  • For Q1, while Consumer Foods sales were up 4%, comparable operating profit declined 1%.

  • We had expected big cost inflation in our first quarter and it was even higher than forecast at 11%.

  • So despite increased price mix and very good cost savings, we did not grow profits.

  • The 11% inflation offset those gains.

  • John will say more about the specific inputs that created the biggest challenges.

  • We're pleased with our ongoing productivity savings.

  • Those came in at about $70 million for the quarter.

  • We've consistently reduced costs within our supply chain, and we're continually looking for efficiencies end-to-end throughout the business.

  • That helps us fight inflation, deliver our earnings commitments, and invest to drive growth.

  • I'm pleased to say that we're on track to achieve our goal of $275 million in savings this year.

  • That's on top of the $1.4 billion in savings generated over the previous 5 years, savings that we use to fuel growth.

  • Beyond cost savings, innovation and pricing, we know that there's significant upside in becoming an even better strategic partner for our customers.

  • One way to do that is by engaging in more productive joint business planning.

  • We're putting significant resources toward advanced planning, wrapping it with our pricing and revenue management work, into a holistic approach called Customer Connect.

  • I'm looking forward to sharing more with you on Customer Connect as it develops more traction.

  • Moving on to the Commercial Foods segment, sales were up but profits declined.

  • That profit decline was driven by short-term weak market dynamics which resulted in a decline in wheat inventory values during the quarter.

  • The inventory valuation changes are the sole reason for the year-over-year operating profit decline.

  • We have very strong milling operations, so none of this valuation adjustment reflects anything about the fundamentals over the full year time frame.

  • Within Lamb Weston, which began its recovery last quarter, we continue to make progress.

  • We saw good growth in unit volumes and dollar sales.

  • We were also pleased to see growth in operating profit.

  • We're excited about the prospects for Lamb Weston's performance this year, a big and important business for ConAgra Foods.

  • In both Lamb Weston and ConAgra Mills, we're also seeing a more favorable product mix with increased emphasis on higher growth, higher margin products.

  • These products include our whole grain portfolio and our sweet potatoes, both of which are performing well.

  • Gaining traction in areas that are on trend and where we are a leader gives us confidence in this segment's ongoing success this year and beyond.

  • Looking forward to the rest of the fiscal year, we expect our planned pricing increases, which are underway in both the commercial and consumer segments, to make a meaningful difference to results.

  • In fact, we expect both segments to show stronger year-over-year operating profit growth in the second half of fiscal 2012.

  • I want to mention that we learned a few weeks ago that ConAgra Foods has been named to the Dow Jones sustainability index North America for the first time.

  • Our organization is very proud of this achievement.

  • EGSI is one of the world's most recognizable sustainable indices.

  • It's based on a rigorous analysis of corporate, economic, environmental and social performance.

  • It tracks the performance of the top 20% of the 600 biggest North American companies in the Dow Jones global total stock market index that lead the field in terms of sustainability.

  • We achieved the food industry's leading scores in 4 areas; corporate governance, environmental policy and management systems, human capital development, and labor practice indicators.

  • We're very pleased with the recognition of our work to be a leading corporate citizen.

  • In conclusion, I trust all of you have seen the news on Ralcorp Holdings.

  • Despite our strong offer, we were unable to make any progress in engaging them so we withdrew our proposal.

  • While that did not turn out the way we had hoped, I want to be very clear that we will pursue other avenues for growth.

  • That's our strategy.

  • We have a pipeline of alternatives that we've been assessing.

  • Of course, any type of growth initiative along these lines takes some time given the complicated nature of exploring and initiating significant strategic moves.

  • But I assure you we're very committed to the pursuit.

  • As you saw with the Ralcorp experience, we are ready and willing to leverage our capabilities and balance sheet for the right growth opportunities.

  • This is a core strategic element of creating long-term value for ConAgra Foods.

  • We remain committed to growth organically, and through smart acquisitions, and we're working diligently on both.

  • Thanks for taking part in today's call.

  • And now I'll turn it over to John.

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • Thank you, Gary, and good morning everyone.

  • I'm going to cover 4 topics this morning.

  • I'll begin with our first quarter performance.

  • Next, I'll address comparability matters.

  • Then on to cash flow, capital and balance sheet items.

  • And finally, I'll share some comments on our outlook for the balance of fiscal 2012.

  • Starting with our first quarter performance, for the quarter we reported net sales of $3.1 billion, up 10%, driven by pricing in our Consumer Foods segment and in our Lamb Weston business as well as the impact of higher wheat prices in our flour milling operations.

  • We reported fully diluted earnings per share from continuing operations of $0.20 versus $0.32 in the year-ago period.

  • Adjusting for items impacting comparability, fully diluted earnings per share from continuing operations were $0.29 versus $0.34 in the prior year quarter.

  • While Gary has addressed our segment results in some detail, I would like to touch on a few highlights.

  • First, in Consumer Foods.

  • Net sales were $1.9 billion, up 4%, driven by pricing improvements.

  • While our pricing is still lagging some very high inflation rates, we are seeing acceleration of our price realization over the past few quarters which is encouraging.

  • Inflation, unfortunately, has continued to accelerate even faster than our expectations.

  • For the quarter, we experienced inflation for our Consumer Foods business of approximately 11%.

  • And while cost increases were pervasive across the portfolio; proteins, packaging, and fats and oils were the biggest contributors.

  • Our Consumer Foods supply chain cost reduction programs continue to yield good results, and delivered cost savings of approximately $70 million in the quarter.

  • We expect these programs to deliver approximately $275 million of cost savings for the full fiscal year, consistent with our previous estimate.

  • On marketing, Consumer Foods advertising and promotion expense for the quarter was $76 million, down $11 million from the prior year.

  • The decrease principally reflects timing differences versus the prior year.

  • For the full year, we expect A&P to be slightly above the prior year.

  • For this quarter, foreign exchange had an immaterial impact on Consumer Foods' net sales and operating profit.

  • Overall, operating profit on a comparable basis for the Consumer Foods segment decreased approximately 1% from the year-ago period.

  • In our Commercial Foods segment, net sales were $1.2 billion, or up 19%.

  • While the increase was driven largely by the impact of higher wheat prices in our flour milling operations, Lamb Weston's net sales were up 8% due to pricing and mix improvements as well as stronger volumes.

  • We're excited about the turnaround underway at Lamb Weston.

  • Overall, segment operating income on a comparable basis was down 10%.

  • The decline was due to lower gross profits in our flour milling business, driven by wheat market dynamics.

  • Let me explain.

  • Every year, during the first quarter, we convert from the old wheat crop to the new crop.

  • When we do so there is typically some difference in market value, which results in some inventory mark-to-market adjustment, which is typically small.

  • This year, however, the change in value and, therefore, the inventory adjustment was negative and much larger than usual.

  • This is a short-term issue and it's behind us now.

  • For the total Company, selling, general and administrative expense was up slightly on a comparable basis.

  • Corporate expenses for the quarter were $81 million on a comparable basis, versus $74 million in the year-ago quarter.

  • The increase relates principally to higher pension costs which we had planned for.

  • The tax rate for the quarter was 34%.

  • This is in line with our estimated full fiscal year rate of 34%, but above the rate for the year-ago quarter of approximately 32%.

  • Now, I'll move on to my second topic, items impacting comparability.

  • Overall, we had $0.09 per diluted share of expense in this quarter's EPS and it's related to 2 items.

  • First, hedging.

  • For the first quarter, the net hedging loss included in corporate expense was $34 million or $0.05 per share.

  • We also recorded $24 million or $0.04 per share of restructuring and other one-time charges related to our cost reduction and organizational efficiency initiatives.

  • These charges relate to both our previously-announced network optimization programs and organizational realignments, principally in our Consumer Foods segment, designed to improve organizational effectiveness and reduce costs.

  • Next, I'll cover cash flow, capital and balance sheet items for the quarter.

  • First, we closed the quarter in a very strong cash position, with over $1 billion of cash on hand and no outstanding commercial paper borrowings.

  • We continue to emphasize cash flow within our business.

  • And for fiscal year 2012, we expect to deliver strong operating cash flows in excess of $1.2 billion.

  • On working capital, we continue to make progress against our working capital initiatives.

  • And for the full year, we expect that working capital improvements in our base business will contribute to cash flow from continuing operations.

  • On capital expenditures, for the quarter we had capital expenditures of $96 million, versus $129 million in the prior year period.

  • And for the full year we expect CapEx to be approximately $475 million.

  • Net interest expense was $53 million in the first quarter, versus $37 million in the prior year.

  • I would note that the prior year quarter included approximately $18 million of interest income from the notes receivable related to the sale of our trading and merchandising operations.

  • These notes were repaid in December of last year.

  • Dividends for the quarter increased to $94 million from $88 million in the prior year.

  • I'd also like to update you on 2 debt matters.

  • First, we repaid approximately $340 million of debt maturities, subsequent to the end of the first quarter.

  • Also subsequent to the end of the first quarter, we refinanced our $1.5 billion revolving credit facility which was set to mature in December.

  • The new $1.5 billion facility has a term of 5 years and provides us with a great source of liquidity to support our business plans.

  • On capital allocation, I have a few comments today.

  • First, we remain committed to a top tier dividend payout.

  • Second, we remain focused on organic growth and profit enhancement investments including new product introductions and capacity expansions, as well as investments necessary to support our strong cost savings initiatives.

  • And, as you have heard us say consistently over the past several quarters, we continue to pursue growth through acquisitions.

  • While the timing of acquisitions depends on a number of factors, not all of which we control, we will continue to pursue opportunities where there is a strategic fit and a good financial return.

  • As we have demonstrated, we are ready and willing to leverage our capabilities and our balance sheet to create value by investing for growth.

  • And, we will do so with discipline.

  • On share repurchases, while we did not repurchase any shares during the first quarter, we currently have about $125 million of remaining share repurchase authorization.

  • We do recognize that at times share repurchase programs are an attractive option for our shareholders.

  • However, as I have previously noted, given our focus on growth, it is not our practice to add leverage or change our capital structure to fund buybacks.

  • Before I close, I'd like to comment on our fiscal 2012 outlook.

  • As Gary mentioned, we continue to expect fiscal 2012 diluted earnings per share, adjusted for items impacting comparability, to grow at a rate in the low to mid single digits from our 2011 base of $1.75 per share.

  • Our 2012 full-year earnings estimate reflects net sales growth at a rate in the mid single digits, cost savings in our Consumer business of approximately $275 million, and inflation in our Consumer Foods business in the range of 9% to 10%.

  • This inflation estimate has been revised upward from 7% to 8%, reflecting the acceleration we experienced over the past several months.

  • While we are confident about our full-year guidance, given the higher inflation and some planned marketing investments, we do expect our second quarter earnings per share excluding comparability items to be lower than the prior year.

  • Also, as I have previously noted, we expect comparable earnings per share growth to be skewed toward the back half of the fiscal year.

  • This timing is driven by several factors.

  • First, our flour milling profits declined in the first quarter due to the impact of the wheat market dynamics I discussed previously.

  • While this had a short-term negative impact on the first quarter results, it is not indicative of any change in the fundamental strength of this business.

  • We have a great team that understands these markets very well and has a solid track record of managing commodity risk inherent in our milling operations.

  • We are confident in our team's ability to deliver stronger results through the balance of the fiscal year.

  • Second, in our Consumer Foods segment, we expect very high inflation during the first half.

  • But we also expect that this inflation will moderate somewhat in the back half, as we begin to lap very high inflation rates we experienced in the back half of last year.

  • And while it will take some time to overcome the inflation and pricing lag in this business, the cumulative impact of our pricing actions will be more significant in the second half.

  • And third, while Lamb Weston's performance in the first quarter improved, we expect that their earnings growth will accelerate over the balance of the fiscal year, as both pricing actions and improvements in manufacturing costs will disproportionately benefit margins in the second half.

  • As we look at the full year by segment, we expect the earnings for the full year in our Consumer Foods segment to be modestly higher, with back half earnings growth offsetting first half weakness.

  • And in our Commercial Foods segment we expect strong full year earnings growth, principally driven by significant year-over-year improvement in our Lamb Weston business, and continued good execution in our mills business.

  • At the corporate level we are planning for higher costs driven by higher incentive and pension costs.

  • Overall, the environment remains challenging, but we will continue to focus on our pricing and our cost savings initiatives, as well as our other capabilities to position the business for long-term success.

  • That concludes our formal remarks.

  • Thank you for your interest in ConAgra Foods.

  • Gary and I, along with Andre Hawaux and Paul Maass, will be happy to take your questions.

  • I will now turn it back over to the Operator for our Q&A session.

  • Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Andrew Lazar with Barclays Capital.

  • Andrew Lazar - Analyst

  • Gary, you made some comments around the use of cash in your prepared remarks.

  • I just wanted to push a little bit more, if I could.

  • When you made the bid for Ralcorp, I think it's fair to say many investors viewed that as somewhat of a game changer for ConAgra in terms of how the Company thought about how aggressive it would be going forward in using its balance sheet and cash flow for shareholders.

  • This has become even more evident looking at the share price upon realization that the Ralcorp offer was going to be withdrawn.

  • My question is, how aggressive can we expect ConAgra to be in using its balance sheet going forward?

  • Is there a sense of urgency around a Plan B?

  • And why not use the cash in multiple ways in terms of buybacks which would still give you ample fire power to make acquisitions?

  • It wouldn't seem that using some cash on hand for buybacks would really necessitate a need for a change in the capital structure.

  • How far down the road of this pipeline of potential targets is ConAgra at this stage?

  • Thanks a lot.

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • Yes, Andrew.

  • I think that's a fair question.

  • Let me start and then I'll turn it to John.

  • You've certainly heard us consistently say that we're going to pursue growth, both organically and through acquisitions.

  • I want to tell you that our management and our Board of Directors are totally aligned on this.

  • We are very confident that we can leverage our capabilities and our strong balance sheet to create value.

  • We are totally committed to long-term sustainable growth, and that's both organically and through acquisitions.

  • So that is a very, very clear strategy.

  • John?

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • Yes.

  • What I would emphasize is that we do seek to have a balanced capital allocation program.

  • Clearly, I think as we've made very clear, our priority is growth.

  • And I think, while we're disappointed the Ralcorp situation didn't work out the way we wanted it to, I think it is indicative of our willingness to leverage our balance sheet to create value.

  • Insofar as growth is the priority, that will be the first place we want to look to from a capital allocation standpoint.

  • Clearly, we understand that share repurchases are a part of that mix.

  • And we will continue to look at the level of share repurchases over time.

  • Our Board does look at that from time to time.

  • But again, I want to emphasize that our practice has been to push some of that cash from our operations back to shareholders in the form of share repurchases.

  • But at this point, again, as I said, we are really not going to add significant leverage or do significant change to our capital structure because we really want to keep that capital structure primarily focused on growth.

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • And Andrew, I just might add that we have a very robust and disciplined process to look at acquisitions.

  • That is something very high on our radar screen that we have been working on.

  • So we certainly do have a number of different initiatives that we are looking at.

  • These things obviously take time.

  • But I want to assure you that that process is very much in place.

  • Operator

  • UBS's David Palmer.

  • Unidentified Participant - Analyst

  • Hi, this is actually [Minio] filling in for Dave.

  • I might have missed this in your prepared remarks, but it looks like corporate expenses at $81 million were a bit higher than last year.

  • And I was hoping that you could just walk me through that difference.

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • Yes, this is John.

  • Most of that difference is just driven by the increased pension costs in the year, due to the higher discount rate that we experienced at the beginning of the year.

  • Operator

  • David Driscoll with Citi Investment Research.

  • David Driscoll - Analyst

  • So just two questions.

  • One, just about the guidance and then a second question on a little bit more about the M&A strategy going forward.

  • On the guidance, Gary, would it be fair to say, given that the first quarter, I think in your own words, came in a little bit below your expectations, second quarter it looks like you're guiding down slightly relative to where Street consensus is.

  • Is it fair to say that we all should be leaning more towards the low end of the guidance range rather than the high end, just given performance so far?

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • Clearly, David, we're not in a position to give exact guidance.

  • We stick with what we've said before in terms of low- to mid-single digits EPS growth.

  • And we have planned all along for it to be in the back half for several reasons.

  • The biggest being the pricing, which will be in effect for the full year, versus the inflation which we will be overlapping more in the second half.

  • So that delta is a big, big piece of that.

  • And then in terms of expectation for Q1, it's all about the wheat issue.

  • And as we've said, that's a very isolated issue.

  • It's not a structural issue, just first quarter, doesn't impact the full year.

  • So we expect to see both the consumer side and the commercial side lean toward the back half.

  • Strong business from mills, good turnaround happening at Lamb Weston.

  • And the pricing taking effect and catching up more to the cost of goods in the back half for consumer.

  • David Driscoll - Analyst

  • On the M&A side, the Sara Lee private label dough operation was, of course, sold to Ralcorp during the period where you were trying to acquire them.

  • You've made a lot of comments about private label.

  • I suppose I'm curious.

  • Did you look at that operation?

  • Were you able to bid on that operation or because of your pursuit of Ralcorp, did that otherwise preclude you guys from going after that business?

  • And then just a step back, maybe the bigger picture question is, are you really solely focused or heavily, heavily focused on private label as the source of M&A?

  • Or does center of store or frozen?

  • I'm just confused on how these other pieces fit into your thinking.

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • Certainly, David, we can't comment on any hypotheticals in terms of M&A activity.

  • What I would tell you is that we are still focused on private label as 1 of 3 planks.

  • Our strategy for growth is focused against private label, it's focused on core adjacencies, and it's focused on significantly increasing our international presence.

  • So we're looking at all 3 of those pillars.

  • That's really what we've got as a very explicit strategy for growth.

  • Operator

  • Bryan Spillane with Bank of America-Merrill Lynch.

  • Bryan Spillane - Analyst

  • Just two questions.

  • One, a follow-up on the question you got earlier about corporate expense.

  • Is that run rate pretty good for the year?

  • Are we looking at a low $300 million to mid $300 million type corporate expense for the full year?

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • Yes, Bryan, this is John.

  • I think it's a pretty good proxy for the run rate for the year.

  • It moves up and down but it's typically mid- to high $300 million.

  • Bryan Spillane - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then Gary, getting back to the strategic direction from here, you've provided yourself a lot of flexibility by having the balance sheet in the shape that it's in, and having, I think, a pretty realistic set of expectations in terms of what the market growth and your portfolio can achieve.

  • One of the positive aspects of your bid for Ralcorp was that it made so much sense.

  • As you go through looking at your other 3 planks of potential acquisition candidates, and you start thinking about risk/reward and how much you're willing to use your balance sheet.

  • How are you going to gauge how much risk you're willing to take relative to the potential upside?

  • And looking at that relative to using more cash to repurchase shares?

  • I think that's probably one thing that investors are looking at this morning, is the Ralcorp deal made a lot of sense on paper and strategically.

  • With that off the table, is there anything else that seems that big, that transformative and that relative to the stock given where the share price is today?

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • Yes, Bryan, clearly we can't comment on anything hypothetical from an M&A standpoint.

  • But what I can tell you is that we have a very disciplined process.

  • It's a robust process.

  • We use the lenses of strategic fit, how accretive it is, and we are very committed to being disciplined.

  • That's what we've aligned with our Board on.

  • That's the process that we are going through.

  • So we're committed to staying there.

  • This is clearly a strategic plank and we are very, very satisfied with the state of our balance sheet.

  • And we are very willing to use that balance sheet for those type of opportunities.

  • Operator

  • Robert Cummings with Wellington Shield.

  • Robert Cummings - Analyst

  • First of all, if I were a Ralcorp shareholder I would be pretty teed off with the management of that company.

  • But that's a sideline.

  • I wanted to ask in general, and you're obviously interested in doing further acquisitions, would you consider doing a hostile takeover bid for some company that declined to negotiate with you but where you really thought it was a perfect fit for your operations?

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • Bob, we never, again, would speculate.

  • It all depends on the particular situation.

  • So we never take any option off the table.

  • It just has to make sense for us.

  • Robert Cummings - Analyst

  • That's a good answer, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Jason English with Goldman Sachs.

  • Jason English - Analyst

  • I'd like to switch gears quickly and talk a little about fundamentals.

  • Two questions.

  • One, on Consumer Foods, one on Commercial Foods.

  • Volume was surprisingly resilient this quarter in the face of accelerating price growth.

  • And surprising that it did fairly dramatically outpace what we see in Nielsen, which I know is never a perfect read.

  • But your business had actually been tracking a little under Nielsen over the last 3 quarters.

  • Has there been any shift in terms of inventory levels at retail ahead of these price increases that may have accounted for that or is it just robust growth in some of the unmeasured channels?

  • Andre Hawaux - President, Consumer Foods

  • Jason, this is Andre.

  • I think we see good growth in both measured and non-measured channels.

  • And we did not see any sort of inventory build within the quarter or the last several quarters.

  • If anything, as we've talked about for probably the last 4 to 5 quarters, we see people working across the supply chains on reducing working capital across the businesses.

  • So, no, we've not seen any inventory build-up.

  • I think our brands held up quite well in spite of the good pricing that we got in the marketplace.

  • Jason English - Analyst

  • Thanks for that, Andre.

  • Switching gears to Commercial Foods, the price growth was robust in the quarter.

  • But it did fall short of what I was expecting.

  • Just looking at the wheat cost curve, your price growth for that segment historically has tracked very well with the lagged wheat price cost curve.

  • And it did fall short this quarter, and it obviously coincided with the profit shortfall in the division, as well.

  • Are there challenges pushing through some of this wheat inflation right now?

  • Paul Maass - President, Commercial Foods

  • Yes.

  • This is Paul.

  • I would probably describe that, more than likely I would say probably timing.

  • So kind of just the contracting nature of the business.

  • I don't know exactly what you're looking at as far as how it's tracking.

  • But the timing on when things are done could be a component of why that doesn't match up exactly.

  • If you look at the overall driver, our volumes were relatively steady for the first quarter.

  • So the big change in revenue was primarily driven by the change in wheat values.

  • Jason English - Analyst

  • But you do think that's going to catch up in the out quarters?

  • Paul Maass - President, Commercial Foods

  • Yes.

  • I think it will be less of an impact, a little bit like Gary was talking about inflation.

  • So as you get to the back half of the year the comps will be quite a bit different than what we had here in the first quarter.

  • Chris Klinefelter - VP of IR

  • And this is Chris.

  • I'm going to build on something Paul had mentioned, Jason, is that realize that revenue is all, it's just not from 1 source.

  • It reflects the relative mix of what is coming through, both from our Lamb Weston business, our seasonings business and of course our flour milling.

  • And that's something to take into consideration when you're making predictions.

  • Operator

  • Eric Serotta with Wells Fargo Securities.

  • Eric Serotta - Analyst

  • I'm wondering whether you could go into or describe a little bit the financial metrics that you look at in terms of potential acquisitions in a little bit more detail?

  • You mentioned EPS accretion.

  • What are some of the other metrics and would something have to be immediately accretive?

  • Are you looking at returns on capital?

  • If you could describe that in some detail, that would be helpful.

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • Yes, this is John.

  • I think I'd say 3 areas we probably look at.

  • One would be, we look at what we believe the growth to be in the underlying categories because that's ultimately one of our goals is to increase the growth in our portfolio.

  • So we tend to look at the categories quite a bit.

  • Accretion is important and return on investment are important.

  • We do tend to take a little bit longer view of that.

  • We are not necessarily going to make decisions based on what's accretive in the first year of a deal.

  • We're looking for long-term strength, both in terms of accretion and return on investments.

  • The other thing, as it relates to growth in the categories, the other thing we look at is the capabilities we have that we can leverage against that portfolio, whether that be cost savings or innovation.

  • And how we can operate those businesses in the categories also have a big impact on how we evaluate deals.

  • Sometimes how those benefits come to fruition can vary over time based upon the nature of what we're buying.

  • Eric Serotta - Analyst

  • And it's no secret that there's a good number of food companies out there that are breaking up or spinning off, breaking up into either higher end, lower growth pieces.

  • Wondering whether that's a consideration at all in terms of you guys improving your overall portfolio mix, spinning off some pieces of the business or divesting?

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • Yes, Eric, at this point I think as we've said, we're not going to speculate on anything hypothetical that we might or might not do with our portfolio.

  • I would say, by and large, we're looking to add to our portfolio and to grow.

  • And obviously there's a lot going on in the landscape out there.

  • And as Gary mentioned, we continue to assess a number of opportunities and we will continue to do so as we really focus on growth.

  • Operator

  • Deutsche Bank's Eric Katzman.

  • Eric Katzman - Analyst

  • Just one quick one.

  • Was there any deal costs that we could view as one-time within the corporate expense line?

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • This is John.

  • There were some costs but they were not significant enough where we go to the work of breaking those out as comparability items.

  • But from time to time, we will have some of those costs come through.

  • Eric Katzman - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then just a broader question on M&A, Gary.

  • When you think of strategy, is international -- it's not historically been something associated with the Company but it's, obviously there's growth there.

  • Is that something that you think the organization is capable of?

  • And then I have one follow-up.

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • Yes, Eric, clearly that's on our radar screen.

  • What we've talked about is leveraging the places where we already have pretty good infrastructure, places like a Mexico and an India, Canada.

  • And building both within those countries and from an adjacency standpoint.

  • And then on the Commercial side, Lamb Weston clearly has a global footprint and we'll continue to look to grow that.

  • So, yes, it is on the radar screen.

  • And, yes, we believe we have capabilities not to go out and plant a lot of flags everywhere but to build out adjacently from where we are.

  • Eric Katzman - Analyst

  • I think this was Dave Driscoll's question but, I just feel like I'm missing something in that inflation is worse than you thought which is, again, pretty typical of what's going on in the industry.

  • By your own numbers, you were trailing the first quarter by, I guess it was the wheat profits, and it doesn't sound like that's going to come back.

  • The cost savings goals are the same.

  • So what is giving you confidence that the earnings for the full year are still intact when inflation is materially higher than you thought?

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • Yes, Eric, clearly we're committed to course correcting and improving our lag time between the cost of goods and pricing.

  • So there's clearly more pricing in our future than what we had in the plan when the year started.

  • Operator

  • Chris Growe from Stifel Nicolaus.

  • Chris Growe - Analyst

  • I just had two questions for you.

  • I hope this is the last question on acquisitions.

  • My question would be, if you look at your long-term growth algorithm, are acquisitions accretive to that?

  • Or is there some embedded benefit in your long-term EPS growth algorithm from acquisitions?

  • Chris Klinefelter - VP of IR

  • Chris, this is Chris Klinefelter.

  • Sure, when we put our long-term plans together, we obviously think of a benefit from capital allocation overall.

  • And in some situations that might be a business we buy; in other situations, a share repurchase.

  • So, do we have some benefit from things like that?

  • Absolutely.

  • But not one dedicated just to buying businesses by themselves.

  • Chris Growe - Analyst

  • And my other question just is in relation to Consumer Foods.

  • And the question, Gary or Andre, do you expect volume growth in that division for the year?

  • I'm looking at a pretty weak consumer environment.

  • But it sounds like you've got a good amount of new productivity, some marketing coming up here that's going to pick up a little bit.

  • Do you expect volumes to grow in that division for the year?

  • Andre Hawaux - President, Consumer Foods

  • Chris, this is Andre.

  • What we said at the end of the year last year, the fourth quarter, as we looked at inflation and what our pricing algorithm needed to be, that the lion's share of our net sales growth was actually going to come from a combination of pricing and mix.

  • We're obviously very pleased with our first quarter performance on volume, it being flat.

  • But as Gary mentioned, as we take more pricing, I think the elasticities are something we're watching very closely.

  • We do believe we'll give back some minimal amount of volume.

  • We don't believe that will be very large.

  • That's currently one of the things we're working through right now.

  • But the way we built most of the balance of the year is expecting that sales performance largely driven by pricing and mix.

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • Chris, I just might want to add that it's important, we're not shifting our spending mix to more price promotion to chase volume.

  • As Andre said, there may be some modest volume tradeoff and that's something that we are willing to do.

  • Chris Growe - Analyst

  • And when you say market increases, you're referring more to advertising, consumer-led marketing, when you said marketing should be up through the remainder of the year, correct?

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • That's absolutely correct, Chris.

  • We see ourself, as Gary mentioned, some of the new campaigns that we've got out there launched, so we're investing behind our brands in A&P.

  • Operator

  • Ann Gurkin with Davenport.

  • Ann Gurkin - Analyst

  • In your comments you all talked about pursuing additional pricing, and I was just wondering if you could comment on how it's going, is there any pushback, is it harder this round versus the last round?

  • The environment for raising prices again.

  • Andre Hawaux - President, Consumer Foods

  • Ann, this is Andre.

  • I can speak to the consumer side.

  • The environment is difficult, as we've talked about in the past.

  • We continue, based on some of the new capabilities we're building, that Gary articulated earlier, through our revenue growth management team, working with our customer teams and our customers to go ahead and continue to pursue that, as the commodities warrant it.

  • As Q1 indicated, we got 4% pricing, which is very robust in this environment.

  • Our volumes held.

  • We feel pretty good about that.

  • Ann Gurkin - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then do you care to comment at all on inflation expectations for fiscal '13?

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • No.

  • Not at this point.

  • I'm not willing to bet that much on my crystal ball.

  • So we're going to have to let's see how things play out over some crop cycles here.

  • Ann Gurkin - Analyst

  • And then, finally, as you look to the second half, we talked about this a little bit, but what is the risk to that step-up in earnings?

  • What will be the biggest challenge for you to not meet that improved performance in the second half versus first half.

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • I would say, Ann, that we've got to make the right call on our cost of goods inflation.

  • We think we've got the best call but that would be the biggest risk.

  • Operator

  • Credit Suisse's Robert Moskow.

  • Robert Moskow - Analyst

  • I just have a couple questions for Andre.

  • I remember you guys said that you had priced on 80% of the portfolio at the end of fourth quarter.

  • I assume you're at 100% now.

  • But now there's another round going through.

  • So what percent of the portfolio are you going to take pricing on in the current quarter?

  • And then lastly, just a Nielsen kind of question.

  • I was looking at Nielsen results for Orville and Chef.

  • Nielsen indicated that Chef was up in the quarter and Orville was down.

  • Your shipments show a reverse pattern.

  • Have you seen the same thing in your tracking data or is your tracking data showing you something different?

  • Thanks.

  • Andre Hawaux - President, Consumer Foods

  • So let me start, Rob, with the answer to your question, the last part of your question, which is what we saw from a shipment data standpoint.

  • So let's separate the 2.

  • Shipment data being what drives our P&L.

  • We saw positive increases as we continue to see the turnaround of Orville start to happen.

  • So we had positive shipments in the quarter for Orville.

  • And the reverse was true for Chef.

  • As we look at consumption data, we also saw consumption data, we use IRI for the 13 weeks ended the end of the quarter.

  • We saw both share gains with respect to Orville and our base velocities increase with respect to Orville as a result of the pop-up bowl and some of the marketing that Gary articulated.

  • With respect to Chef, the category was up slightly.

  • We were down a little bit relative to consumption in IRI and we lost a little bit of share with respect to Chef.

  • Again, the Chef phenomenon continues to be, what we said before, was our heavy users are still buying the product but they have significantly pantry de-loaded from the typical amount of cans that they buy during our event.

  • So that's what's happening there.

  • With respect to your first part of your question, we have touched about our entire portfolio once, if you will, relative to pricing.

  • We're taking a look at each of the categories which we compete in.

  • Some we have opted not to take pricing.

  • So we're north of that 85%.

  • I don't have an exact percentage to quote to you today relative to what is going on in our second round.

  • We have a lot of categories that are already up for their second round of pricing -- in the area of oil, in the area of spreads and also things like peanut butter, to give you some examples.

  • So we'll make sure we get back to you on what those exact percentages are but we're in for already a second round.

  • Operator

  • Alexia Howard with Sanford Bernstein.

  • Alexia Howard - Analyst

  • Can I ask about the competitive environment in some of your larger categories?

  • It looked as though things might be improving a little bit on the frozen entree side.

  • But maybe if you could give a little more granularity on the competitive environment and how that's changing in places like oils, as you take pricing up, popcorn.

  • Canned vegetables looked pretty difficult in the take-away data.

  • Andre Hawaux - President, Consumer Foods

  • All right, Alexia.

  • This is Andre.

  • I'll start and I'll touch on -- as you know, we operate in a lot of categories -- so I'm going to try to touch on some of the ones that you mentioned.

  • Frozen meals, we actually feel very good about our performance there on a bunch of metrics, as Gary mentioned.

  • Both the new innovation we're bringing to market plus what we've actually done in frozen single-serve meals this quarter.

  • We've taken pricing, as has most of the competitive set.

  • So I think the industry overall is behaving pretty well there.

  • We have, in fact, gained share, and we've done a lot of the things we said we would do.

  • So we're winning in single serve.

  • We've started to get into multi-serve frozen in a meaningful way with Marie Callender's.

  • And we've also started to work really hard in getting into adjacencies, specifically desserts with our dessert pie business, both on large pies and small pies.

  • On single serve meals we've actually done, I'd say we hit a trifecta in terms of all the things we're doing.

  • Cooking oil is another category you mentioned.

  • And what we've done there, our sales in our brands' competitive set, is we've taken a pretty significant amount of pricing as a result of our commodity increases.

  • What we're seeing there is we're losing a little bit of share.

  • And that's largely because private label has gotten much more aggressive, and has gotten stronger.

  • So they've picked up a fair amount of the share there.

  • And on popcorn, based on the innovation and some of the work we've done on Orville Redenbacher's, we're seeing our share grow there, our base velocities increase based on the pop-up bowl innovation, and we're doing fairly well.

  • We have 2 brands there.

  • We have Orville, which really seems to have started to turn the corner.

  • And then we also have ACT II which is probably struggling a little bit more relative to its positioning.

  • So those would be 3 categories that I would mention in terms of how we're performing.

  • Operator

  • Robert Dickerson with Consumer Edge Research.

  • Robert Dickerson - Analyst

  • Just a couple quick questions.

  • I want to clarify a few things.

  • There's obviously been a lot of talk today on M&A, there's been a lot of talk really since the beginning of the year on M&A for you guys.

  • And if I just look at companies like Hormel Foods or TreeHouse Foods or Flowers Foods, these are all companies that have fairly high equity multiple valuations.

  • These are management teams that have really been aggressive in pursuing acquisition targets and actually really talking to investors about aggressively allocating capital.

  • My first question, which I really didn't hear anyone ask is, one, why aren't you being more aggressive?

  • Because the stock's down now 2% today.

  • This is really the market saying to you that it's frustrated.

  • There is no buyback activity.

  • That's one, is why aren't you being more aggressive?

  • And then, two, do you think you received the right advice from your advisors?

  • Because normally I would have expected a little bit more aggressive strategy with respect to just being in the market, a little bit, buying back some stock, how we've seen that out of other food companies this year that's worked.

  • And then that also goes back to, if you could just clarify why you paid back the short-term debt subsequent to quarter end.

  • That's it.

  • Gary Rodkin - CEO

  • Rob, this is Gary, I'll start.

  • First of all, I would probably take a little bit of issue with your question in terms of how aggressive we are on the M&A front.

  • Obviously, we're not going to talk and speculate but we do have a robust and disciplined process, as I've talked about.

  • I think we demonstrated that with Ralcorp.

  • And the proof will be in the pudding as we go down the road.

  • As it pertains to share buyback, I'll let John speak specifically to that.

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • Yes.

  • I would just start with some context.

  • And that is, I think, as we've tried to make clear here, we're trying to do the right things for the long term.

  • And clearly, the recent events the last couple weeks create, perhaps, some impatience in various places.

  • But we're going to do the right thing for the long-term.

  • On the share buyback, as I've said, we understand that's a component.

  • I think you can probably also understand that, given the events that were underway in the last quarter, it really just was not practical for us to be in the marketplace buying back shares when we had a significant deal that would have had a significant impact on our leverage and our balance sheet.

  • It was just the case where we thought it was prudent to keep our hands in our pockets there around share buybacks until we had some resolution there.

  • In terms of paying back the debt that we just paid back, quite frankly we've got a balanced view towards capital allocation.

  • We had cash on hand and at this point we just felt it was appropriate to repay that in cash.

  • I think our actions over the past several months hopefully have indicated to people that we are not shying away from adding leverage where we have the opportunity to do it.

  • But in the short term we felt like the best thing to do was just to go ahead and use some of that cash.

  • The other thing, just to confirm, we're very satisfied with the advice and counsel we've gotten on a number of fronts over the last couple of years.

  • Operator

  • Bank of America's Todd Duvick.

  • Todd Duvick - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my question.

  • Both Gary and John, you have mentioned your willingness to leverage the balance sheet.

  • And certainly you're starting from a position of strength currently with the cash you have on hand and paying down the debt.

  • Can you talk a little bit about how much you would be willing to leverage it?

  • I know throughout the Ralcorp situation, you indicated a number of times that you wanted to maintain an investment grade rating.

  • Can you just talk about how much you would be willing to leverage the balance sheet within that context?

  • John Gehring - EVP and CFO

  • Todd, it may sound like I'm going to answer your question with your question.

  • But I think you hit on it, which is I think it's the position of our Board and I think our management team that we do want to preserve an investment grade credit rating.

  • But, again, to your point about starting from a position of strength, we think we have an awful lot of fuel in the tank that we can use to apply towards growth.

  • So I don't see our commitment to an investment grade rating to be any kind of limitation versus the kinds of things we're looking at and are likely to be actionable in the near to midterm.

  • Operator

  • Jeff Kanter, UBS.

  • Jeff Kanter - Analyst

  • Oh, I'm sorry my questions have been answered.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Jason English with Goldman Sachs.

  • Chris Klinefelter - VP of IR

  • Jason, we're having difficulty hearing you.

  • Operator, I believe that's our last question.

  • We're up on the hour here.

  • So, going to mention that just as a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

  • It will be archived on the web, as detailed in our news release.

  • And as always, we're available for discussion.

  • And thank you very much for your interest in ConAgra Foods.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's ConAgra Foods' first quarter earnings conference call.

  • Thank you again for attending and have a good day.