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  • Operator

  • Good morning, and welcome to the BioXcel Therapeutics' First Quarter 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. At this (Operator Instructions).

  • Just to remind everyone, certain matters discussed in today's conference call and/or answers that may be given to questions asked are forward-looking statements subject to risks and uncertainties related to future events and/or the future financial performance of the company. Actual results could differ materially from those anticipated in these forward-looking statements.

  • Risk factors that may affect results are detailed in the company's most recent public filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, including Bio's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2021, which can be found at www.bioxceltherapeutics.com or on www.sec.gov, which will be updated in its quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2022.

  • As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. Joining us on today's call are Dr. Vimal Mehta, Chief Executive Officer; Richard Steinhart, Chief Financial Officer; Matt Wiley, Chief Commercial Officer; Dr. Rob Risinger, Chief Medical Officer of Neuroscience; Dr. Frank Yocca, Chief Scientific Officer; and Dr. Vince O'Neill, Chief Medical Officer of Oncology.

  • It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Dr. Mehta, the CEO of BioXcel Therapeutics. Please go ahead.

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • Thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today to discuss BioXcel's financial performance and business highlights for the first quarter of 2022.

  • As you know, BioXcel Therapeutics is a biopharmaceutical company utilizing artificial intelligence approaches to develop transformative medicines in neuroscience and immuno-oncology.

  • It has been an already transformational year for the company, highlighted by our first FDA approval of IGALMI, our orally dissolving suppling film approved last month for the acute treatment of mild, moderate or severe agitation associated with schizophrenia or bipolar 1 or 2 disorders in adults.

  • We are gearing up for commercial launch to deliver this new treatment option to patients and caregivers. Our team has made tremendous progress preparing for the deployment of our U.S. national sales force and have finalized pricing for broad market access. Our Chief Commercial Officer, Matt Wiley will discuss key commercial activities in more detail shortly.

  • Beyond offering an important treatment option to patients living with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder-related agitation, IGALMI's FDA approval validates BioXcel's AI-enabled drug discovery and development platform, which progress from first in-human trials to approval in just under 3.5 years. This approval also lays a strong foundation for the continued evaluation of BXCL501 for the treatment of agitation associated with other neuropsychiatric disorders including Alzheimer's and an adjunctive treatment with major depressive disorder or MDD.

  • As such, we continue to make progress with our 3-pillar portfolio expansion strategy for our 501 franchise, which includes indication expansion, extending our geographic reach and growing the medical settings where 501 is offered.

  • First, as part of our indication expansion strategy, we view 501 as a pipeline within a product. Our TRANQUILITY program for the acute treatment of agitation in patients with Alzheimer's disease is advancing well with first patient dosing in our TRANQUILITY II trial announced last week, we have designed an innovative strategy to rapidly enroll patients with top line data expected in the fourth quarter of 2022 or early next year.

  • This, along with TRANQUILITY III patient enrollment initiating in the second half of the year, is helping position the franchise for our supplemental NDA sNDAs. We believe 501 may provide an effective treatment option for Alzheimer's disease-related agitation and indication for which despite an estimated 100 million episodes per year in the U.S. there are no FDA-approved therapies.

  • We have positive, robust, efficacy, safety and tolerability data in 40- and 60-microgram dosing regimens and have received breakthrough therapy designation from the FDA, giving us high confidence in our pivotal tranquility program. Further, in regards to our indication expansion strategy, we have advanced our 501 clinical program for potential adjunctive treatment of major depressive disorder and have initiated a Phase I multiple ascending dose clinical trial.

  • With approximately 27 million cases a year, MDD remains the most common type of depression in the U.S. Current treatment limitations include slow onset of action and incomplete responses. And with over 300 million antidepressant prescription filled annually, we believe that our own clinical data suggests 501 could be an effective treatment option for these patients.

  • Second, with regard to our geographical expansion strategy, we are well poised to capture market opportunity outside of the U.S. We plan to submit a marketing authorization application to the European Medicines Agency for BXCL501 for acute treatment of agitation associated with schizophrenia or bipolar 1 or 2 disorder in adults in the second quarter of this year.

  • We are also exploring market entry strategies in Japan, which is expected to have faster growing prevalence in Alzheimer's disease with an estimated 4.89 million cases by 2026. Our third and final strategic pillar is expanding the medical setting where 501 can be offered. This is our land-and-expand strategy and we want 501 to ultimately be accessible to patients regardless of treatment setting. We continue to expand these opportunities with additional new indications, including our TRANQUILITY and MDD program.

  • Beyond 501, we are strategically augmenting our agitation franchise beginning with 502 for the chronic treatment of agitation related to dementia. Formulation and translation work is underway for 502, a potent, selective antagonist for a GPCR target affecting serotonergic signaling in the cerebral cortex.

  • Shifting to our immuno-oncology franchise, we recently announced the formation of the wholly owned subsidiary, OnkosXcel Therapeutics. We expect this business structure allows for further strategic and financial flexibility for our promising immuno-oncology business while we continue to advance the clinical development of BXCL701, our leading bio clinical candidate, which is an orally administered systemic activator of innate immunity being developed for the treatment of aggressive forms of prostate cancer and advanced solid tumors.

  • Following positive Phase II data for BXCL701 in combination with KEYTRUDA, and now this past February, we continued our Phase II trial in mCRPC patients with either small cell neuroendocrine carcinoma, SCLC, or adenocarcinoma phenotype. We expect enrollment to complete in our 28-patient SCLC cohort in the second half of this year.

  • We have also enrolled the first patient in our adenocarcinoma randomized trial expansion evaluating BXCL701 monotherapy versus BXCL701 KEYTRUDA combination therapy. We will provide additional updates about OnkosXcel Therapeutic subsidiary in the second half of this year.

  • Lastly, in April, we announced a $260 million strategic financing with Oaktree Capital and Qatar Investment Authority. Full execution with financing will extend our cash runway into 2025 and support our commercial activities for IGALMI along with expansion of clinical development efforts for BXCL501. And our additional neuroscience and immuno-oncology programs.

  • With our strengthened cash position, we remain confident in our ability to continue executing on our strategic priorities.

  • In summary, we are incredibly pleased with our progress across key clinical, regulatory and commercial milestones and realizing our vision of becoming the leading AI-enabled neuroscience company.

  • Now I would like to turn the call over to Matt Wiley, who will give a commercial update. Matt?

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • Thanks, Vimal, and good morning, everyone. Today, I'll focus on commercial launch readiness, including the deployment of our sales team and market access activities. However, I would first like to discuss our decision on IGALMI pricing.

  • We have taken a measured and clear-eyed approach to determining the wholesale acquisition cost for IGALMI, conducting both qualitative and quantitative research to shape our decision. This process spanned over 8 months and evaluated multiple treatment settings, payer types and potential indications.

  • We also considered the volume of patients subject to additional dosing in our clinical trials, which was approximately 15% across both dosage strengths. With this comprehensive evidence-based research and all of our stakeholders in mind, we arrived at our final pricing decision for IGALMI with 2 clear objectives: First, we believe IGALMI is a disruptive and important entrant into the agitation market and we want to ensure it is accessible to as many patients as possible. Second, we want to lay the groundwork to build a sustainable and profitable business.

  • The research shows at the price point we are setting today provide a robust foundation for IGALMI with flexibility to adjust for future potential 501 indications, including Alzheimer's disease-related agitation and major depressive disorder across treatment settings. We are very pleased with this outcome, considering the rapidly evolving payer dynamics.

  • IGALMI wholesale acquisition cost will be $105 per film across dosage strengths. The 120-microgram and 180-microgram doses of IGALMI will be packaged into heat-sealed foil pouches of 10 and 30-count films per carton. Our market access team is already engaged with target GPOs, IDNs and interested hospital systems to coordinate scientific exchange and establish IGALMI's value proposition. IGALMI's WAC price finalization will enable more substantive discussions and move us closer to contract negotiations with these stakeholders. This is also a critical milestone in navigating the hospital formulary process, which, on average, can take 6 to 12 months.

  • As we have stated in previous calls, there are approximately 25 million bipolar and schizophrenia agitation episodes each year. Approximately 2/3 of this market opportunity presents in the hospital and institutional setting, which presents a focused way to build a commercial beachhead. We have identified and are targeting 1,700 institutions in the United States, representing about 75% of the defined agitation market. This includes psychiatric centers, academic medical centers and community hospitals.

  • Our institutional sales team is undergoing training, which will be completed shortly. This is a highly talented team with an average of over 21 years of industry experience, 14 years in the hospital settings and an average of 8 product launches each. The pedigree of this team will allow us to access target hospital accounts swiftly and leverage stakeholder relationships to successfully navigate the formulary process. We expect that this team will start making initial demand impact in the second half of 2022 and will further amplify demand in 2023. We are excited to launch our field sales efforts in earnest and believe that we have built commercial conditions for considerable long-term market penetration and patient impact.

  • Now I'll turn the call over to Richard, who will give a financial update. Rich?

  • Richard I. Steinhart - Senior VP & CFO

  • Thank you, Matt. I will now review our first quarter 2022 financial results. Research and development expenses were $18.6 million for the first quarter of 2022 compared to $14.7 million for the same period in 2021. The increased expenses were primarily attributable to clinical costs related to the company's TRANQUILITY program.

  • General and administrative costs were $12.9 million for the first quarter of 2022 compared to $11.6 million for the same period in 2021. The increase was primarily due to personnel and costs related to the commercial launch readiness efforts for IGALMI in the U.S. BioXcel Therapeutics reported a net loss of $31.5 million for the first quarter of 2022 compared to a net loss of $26.4 million for the same period in 2021.

  • As of March 31, 2022, cash and cash equivalents totaled approximately $200 million. This excludes contributions from the $260 million strategic financing announced in April. To date, the company has drawn $70 million of the loan agreement and has met the milestone to receive $30 million of the royalty financing, which is expected to be drawn down in the second quarter of this year.

  • Now I'd like to turn the call back to Vimal.

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • Thank you, Richard. We would now like to open the call for questions. Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question is coming from the line of Greg Harrison with Bank of America.

  • Gregory Allen Harrison - Analyst

  • On the price you announced, it's a little lower, I think, than some might have anticipated. Is there any additional color you can give on your assumptions around what market penetration could be at this price point?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • Greg, this is Vimal. That's a great question. I will pass it on to Matt.

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • Yes. I mean so the price point really does strike the balance between access and profitability. We want to ensure that we could deeply penetrate the market and put us at a price point that is -- that gives us the appropriate access is consistent with what the market research told us the hospitals would want to see and certainly gives us a means of a reasonable profit.

  • Now one of the things that we have to consider is the fact that patients in our clinical trials were dosed more than once. And so that was part of the script. Obviously, we saw 15% in our clinical trials, and that needs to be considered as we were thinking about our price as well. So all of those things went into the decision. It was not one that we took lightly. There was a lot of great research that have been done over the last 8 months. We did look at downstream indications as well to make sure that we did no harm to our future potential. And also, we have good flexibility in what we found in that research for future indications.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is coming from Chris Howerton with Jefferies.

  • Christopher Lawrence Howerton - Equity Analyst

  • So I guess maybe would -- following up on Greg's question with respect to pricing. Can you remind us what the typical dosing that a patient might receive in the clinical setting? Would it be one film? Would it be multiple films? Or what could our expectations be around that utilization would be question one.

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • Sure, Chris. So in our clinical trials, we did see about 15% of the patients were redosed, and so we would expect to see the same in the clinic. And we saw a little bit more redosing in the 120-mic group than we did in the 180. But what happens in the hospital setting is something we'll have to observe. But we would expect to see additional dosing in those patients.

  • Christopher Lawrence Howerton - Equity Analyst

  • Okay. Awesome. And then I guess thinking about the -- what you guys clarify as the trade launch in the third quarter, between now and then, can you just maybe walk us through what our expectations should be for that process? And then as maybe just a follow-up, I'll give it to you guys now on the Alzheimer's agitation program? What was the dose? Can you just remind us of the dosing rationale? Because I seem to recall that the 40-microgram was a newer addition relatively recently.

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • So on the trade launch, when we talk about the third quarter for trade, we're talking about July. So that's not that far away. And the activities that we'll undertake between now and then is GPO contract negotiation, which is ongoing; sales force deployment to build interest and identify key stakeholders in the hospital; and to drive the P&T committee process. So as we loaded our trade in July, we will have stakeholders that are ready for demand.

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • Regarding your second question, Chris, no new dose was added. The only thing is that we had selected 2 doses, 40-microgram and 60. As you know, we had seen dose-dependent responses, whether it's 30, 40 or 60. The only reason we did 40, we have expected that efficacy, safety and tolerability will be somewhere like 30 and 60, and it was. We wanted to check the variability, and after we tested the variability using the 40-microgram, Rob and the team did not see any need to change the powering assumptions. So Rob, do you want to add anything to that?

  • Robert Risinger - VP of Clinical Development

  • No. It -- the 40-microgram dose behaved exactly as we expected. By all the measures, it fell between 30 and 60. And so we essentially confirmed the variability of response for 40, and we are, as a result, not changing the powering of our trials in Alzheimer's. And moving forward, we do not need to increase the enrollment, for example, in those studies. So we're on track.

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • So Chris, just to wrap up, 40 was just a confirmation and it confirmed what we needed to see, and we are marching forward. As you saw first patient has been dosed. I got the update today that a lot more patients have been dosed and almost 20% of the patients have been screened. So trial is moving at a fast pace.

  • Christopher Lawrence Howerton - Equity Analyst

  • Excellent. Actually, maybe if I'll sneak one in, as you get closer to the trade launch in July, as you mentioned, Matt, is there any plans to do a strategic commercial day for us to really understand better how you guys see the market?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • So Chris, we will plan for it in the fall time frame, the commercial day. It will make sense to have a commercial day at that time.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is coming from Robin Karnauskas with Truist Securities.

  • Robyn Kay Shelton Karnauskas - Research Analyst

  • I guess a few. I guess on the price, you mentioned you want to have a reasonable profit. Can you give me any sense on COGS? Second, I know there's a lot of concern actually by other investors on the price point. With the previous assumptions that The Street had being too expensive versus antipsychotics, how does this price differ from antipsychotics? And the third question is, are you sampling?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • What was the last one?

  • Robyn Kay Shelton Karnauskas - Research Analyst

  • Are you sampling? So what are the dynamics for a launch? Do you expect -- are you going to be giving out free samples so that doctors get used to using it? Or are you immediately going to potentially see some stocking and purchases when you launch in July?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • So let me address your first question about profitability. We will be -- like the price is at a point where we expect good profitability because GTN is not going to be any different than normally you see for such kind of products. However, CNC is -- cost is not that high. It's more or less like some small molecule in that range. So we don't expect anything different from a gross to net perspective, except whatever regular discount you have to give.

  • So I just wanted to clarify on that point of the profitability. Your second question is about antipsychotic costs. I think the way you should be thinking about this is that it's an institutional setting. It's a bundled payment, and in that bundled payment, IGALMI will be paid as a part of that. So we did a very broad price sensitivity analysis. Some institutions which are economic institutions and where the price sensitivity is less, the price sensitivity can be higher. In the other kind of hospitals, we came up with a price that provides the maximum access to these patients to IGALMI. There are a lot of episodes, 25 million episodes, and 2/3 of them get treated in the institutional setting.

  • The goal was to have the broad coverage of the profitability, broad coverage of the patients as much we can, which will allow adoption and penetration. And those were the key factors taken into account in terms of pricing IGALMI. And this was priced for today. What I mean by that is for our current 2 indications, which is schizophrenia, bipolar 1 or bipolar2 in an institutional setting.

  • Going forward, we have done some work that for future indication, what we need to be considering there is a lot more flexibility, and we'll continue to do the work as we bring our product in the marketplace for Alzheimer's related agitation, which is a very large market with 100 million episodes, as you know.

  • So I will pass it on to Matt regarding the sampling the physicians.

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • So Robin, sampling is traditionally done in community setting locations and not in hospitals or institutions. So we do not have a sampling program to launch into institutions.

  • Robyn Kay Shelton Karnauskas - Research Analyst

  • Great. And just as a follow-up, you said sort of (inaudible) statements. So you did take into account other indications in the price point but you have good flexibility and that this is really about the -- this is really for the current indications you have.

  • So should we expect and model additional price declines when you launch, if you're successful, in dementia? And then you did mention potential discounting, like how -- in what situations would you be discounting in the study? Should we model -- you talked about COGS and -- but what about any discount that we should be factored in on top of price?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • So I would say that these will be pretty much normal course of the business that we will be looking for, what rebates are needed in an institutional setting and with what type of institutions. COGS, as I indicated, is pretty much in line with like what I mentioned. In terms of small molecule, it's not a big cost to the overall our pricing.

  • So we haven't given any specific guidance on the gross to net yet because we are working through all of that. So we will be -- as we progress, we will be developing more robust strategy, what is optimal for the marketplace. Matt, do you want to add something?

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • I think that pretty much covers it. I mean as we think of downstream indications, we want to learn a lot about how the market views IGALMI and what price points were acceptable to those markets. And what we find is that there is additional flexibility downstream on price. So that's where we'll leave it today.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is coming from Sumant Kulkarni with Canaccord.

  • Sumant Satchidanand Kulkarni - Analyst

  • I have a few here, a couple on pricing and then one on data. So now that you've priced for access, do you have any updates on the number of treatments per year per patient and the approved indication and in Alzheimer's agitation? There's not necessarily retreatments for the same episode.

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • We haven't provided any guidance on penetration in the market, if that's the question. We view these markets as very large and underserved. And so we believe we have -- at the price point we announced today, a good opportunity to penetrate deeply into those markets.

  • Sumant Satchidanand Kulkarni - Analyst

  • And on the price, was this a specific or exact price that was used in setting the milestones and royalties in your latest financing agreement?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • No.

  • Sumant Satchidanand Kulkarni - Analyst

  • Got it. Could you provide any color around that? Was it higher? Or any sort of color you could provide around that would be helpful.

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • We haven't provided anything because these agreements are obviously confidential, but like we had very extensive discussions around the topic. But the opportunities for the pricing setting up the WAC price.

  • Sumant Satchidanand Kulkarni - Analyst

  • Got it. And then how would you wait the relative contribution of pricing for access to ensure success for your potentially broad range of indications versus pushback from hospitals or payers that made you arrive at this pricing decision?

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • So there are a couple of things to consider. As we think about downstream indications, we want to have really good experience and utilization in the institutional setting. So we want to ensure that as many physicians and specifically psychiatrists, get familiar with the drug. So their clinical experience will translate into future settings. And so that's one consideration.

  • But certainly, there's a balance between the price or actually it's the net price to hospital and the access we could expect to have in those hospital systems or the type of restrictions we might have. And so all of those things were taken into account to come to the price. So we have good profitability metrics as well as really good access in the hospital system. So we can not just serve our patients today, but also continue to serve them with future indications downstream.

  • Sumant Satchidanand Kulkarni - Analyst

  • Got it. And then my last question, when can we expect to see the data on the 40-microgram dose in the Alzheimer's agitation trial?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • So we would expect that this will be part of our future presentation in a conference or in a publication. .

  • Operator

  • Our next question is coming from the line of Yatin Suneja with Guggenheim Partners.

  • Yatin Suneja - MD & Senior Biotechnology Analyst

  • A couple of questions for me. Can you talk about how many episodes per year you are modeling for these 2 indications for patients?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • We've always guided at the 25 million agitation episodes and that does span the severity in the institutional setting or in the institutional and community setting. So that 25 million is how we are modeling out.

  • Yatin Suneja - MD & Senior Biotechnology Analyst

  • Okay. Can you also confirm to us what is the average DRG reimbursement to institution for each of these indications?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • So DRG reimbursement really depends on the hospital. Your smaller community hospitals may have a lower reimbursement rate. Academic institutions might have something larger. It would be imprudent for me to kind of give you the bookends there because it is so different. It's vastly different between the settings.

  • Yatin Suneja - MD & Senior Biotechnology Analyst

  • Okay. Maybe just maybe if you give a little bit more help there. Is it in the thousands? Or is it in the hundred? Just trying to get a sense of the percentage of the DRG core, how much would your drug might apply to. And what are some of the reasons that you believe that the institution will be willing to apply whatever the percentage comes out to be towards of their budget to IGALMI.

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • Sure. You should be thinking about the DRG specifically in the 4-digit range.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is coming from the line of Colin Bristow with UBS.

  • Colin Nigel Bristow - Analyst

  • Congrats on the progress. I guess another one just on the pricing. I've heard your responses. It just -- I'm somewhat confused. I guess we were all in the similar ballpark just based on discussions with you prior to the launch. And then I just -- I'm curious what is the specific pushback here from payers and institutions that ultimately that what is quite a significantly lower price?

  • And then just also on the IGALMI operational structure, can you provide any guide on when this will become a cash flow positive operation either from a timing perspective, number of patients treated perspective, market share perspective, anything there would be helpful.

  • And then just my final question is on OnkosXcel, again, could you just walk us through the strategy there? I know you kind of -- you alluded to it before, but how do you plan to split resources, both financial and human. Any help there would be helpful.

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • Okay. So on the pricing, we did obviously qualitative to start our research and then we moved into quant. And we tested all range of net to hospital price. And what we found is it's almost like an equalizer. The higher the price -- the higher the net price of the institution, the more restrictions and the lower the access. So 105 gives us the right balance between hospital access, fee restrictions and good profitability.

  • Colin Nigel Bristow - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. Maybe on the operational structure in 701?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • In terms of the 701, we've already been, Colin, operating like 2 business units internally. So it's just a little bit more formal that we did the structuring of OnkosXcel. So same team that was focused on immuno-oncology that will continue to focus on that plan. And we are building what the overall mission of OnkosXcel and what are our choice is -- strategic choice is because we do believe that 701 is a very unique asset. It's orally available activator of innate immunity. And it's one of the most advanced, we believe, that can be combined with immunotherapy.

  • And we have already proven or published the mechanism. In the journal, we have already optimized the safety and now seeing the efficacy signals in cold tumors. So overall, nothing much changes. But as things evolve, we will provide more update in the second half.

  • Colin Nigel Bristow - Analyst

  • Okay. And then just on the metrics to achieve profitability with IGALMI, just help us out there? And is this -- are you -- are you confident you can get there with the current indication? Or do we need to see an expanded label? Just any thoughts there would be helpful.

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • So Colin, we haven't provided any metrics right now in terms of when the profitability will be achieved. As you know that this is -- there is no commercial precedent for IGALMI. We will be learning about it in the next couple of quarters, how the launch is progressing, what the launch metric we should be following and providing guidance on the profitability.

  • But one thing we know that the pricing we have done it provides us the maximum or broad coverage, and there are a lot of episode -- agitation episodes that happen among these patients. So as we continue to do the work, we will be able to provide more clarity on those things.

  • Colin Nigel Bristow - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. And actually, one last one before I'll jump off. But how trackable will this be from our point of view using third-party data? Any help there?

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • So the drug will be shipped directly to hospitals. And as such, there won't be any good syndicated data that you can leverage to observe our progress, but we'll be giving updates each quarter.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is coming from the line of Corinne Jenkins with Goldman Sachs.

  • Corinne Jenkins - Research Analyst

  • So I know you've not mentioned that you're not going to be disclosing gross to net here, but that they will be in line with industry standards. Could you just point us to a range of what you would expect to see in a similar setting with respect to gross to net again, recognizing that this won't be IGALMI's specific, but just more kind of general for the industry?

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • So let me see if I can answer your question. So here's how I would frame it is the hospital gross to net for drugs like this are perhaps more favorable in some ways than retail. The payers' expectations are a little bit different in the community or retail setting than they are in the hospital setting. And so we believe that we have a price point that gives us a good gross to net value and puts our contracting negotiations in a fairly conservative place.

  • Corinne Jenkins - Research Analyst

  • Okay. And then obviously, you'll have the same dose across or same price across the 3 different doses in this particular setting. But given that we're seeing different doses in the Alzheimer's trial, should we expect price to always be the same across the different dose ranges? Or is there flexibility to use the different dosages as an opportunity to shift price to reflect that particular market?

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • There's going to be flexibility depending on the indications we're pursuing. And there are also flexibility in how we brand. And so we should think about it that way. But certainly, we're not necessarily tied to a price point per microgram as you mentioned.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is coming from the line of Anita Dushyanth with Berenberg.

  • Anita Dushyanth - Analyst

  • So I just wanted to know between the 2 doses of 10 and 180-microgram as per your internal sort of projections, like do you think 1 dose might be stocked higher by hospitals than the other?

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • That's strictly going to be dependent on how it's used when it gets out in the market. We approached this pricing decision as a flat price, specifically because we want to ensure that the providers can use the dose that they think is appropriate for the patient and not have restrictions depending on the dose that they want to administer. So that was a very important consideration in the pricing work, and that's why we did it this way.

  • Anita Dushyanth - Analyst

  • Okay. And then I just had a follow-up on the reimbursement. Is there like a time line when you might be when we can expect this listen to be established?

  • Matthew Wiley - Senior VP & Chief Commercial Officer

  • Sure. So the GPO contracts that typically take about 6 to 9 months. The P&T committee formulary process, on average, takes 6 to 12 months. Those are running in parallel. And so that's a good time frame for you to consider when modeling.

  • Anita Dushyanth - Analyst

  • Great. And then the last one, sorry if I missed that in terms for OnkosXcel, would you be providing some updates later in the year about how you plan to have the financial and operational resources.

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • That's right. We plan to provide an update in the second half.

  • Operator

  • We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. So I'd like to pass the floor back over to Dr. Mehta for any additional closing remarks.

  • Vimal D. Mehta - Founder, CEO, President, & Director

  • Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We look forward to connecting with many of you in the coming weeks and updating you on our continued progress. Have a great day.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Once again, we thank you for your participation, and you may disconnect your lines at this time.