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  • Operator

  • Greetings and welcome to the Dynamic Materials Corporation 2013 first-quarter conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. (Operator Instructions).

  • As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. Geoff High with Pfeiffer High Investor Relations. Thank you, Mr. High. You may begin.

  • Geoff High - Host

  • Thank you, Manny. Good afternoon and welcome to Dynamic Materials' first-quarter conference call. Presenting on behalf of the Company will be President and CEO Kevin Longe, and Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Rick Santa.

  • I would like to remind everyone that matters discussed during this call may include forward-looking statements that are based on management's estimates, projections, and assumptions as of today's date, and are subject to risks and uncertainties that are disclosed in Dynamic Materials' filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The Company's business is subject to certain risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated in those forward-looking statements. Dynamic Materials assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements that become untrue because of subsequent events. A replay of today's call will be available at Dynamicmaterials.com after the call. In addition, a telephone replay will be made available beginning approximately two hours after the conclusion of this call. Details for listening to today's replay or webcasts are available in today's news release.

  • And with that, I will now turn the call over to Kevin.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Thanks, Geoff, and good afternoon, everyone. Our first-quarter performance was largely as expected from a financial perspective, with revenue and gross margin both coming in at the high end of our forecast range. Rick will discuss our financial results in more detail in a few minutes. From an operational perspective, each of our businesses made important progress addressing their near-term performance objectives. In recent quarters, we have discussed some of the large infrastructure projects our Nobelclad team has been pursuing. And at the end of Q1, one of those projects resulted in a sizable contract. The order comes out of the broader chemical industry and calls for clad plates that will be used in the fabrication of crystallization vessels and evaporating equipment at a potash project in Saskatchewan, Canada. The order is valued at $7.4 million and was included in our March 31 order backlog.

  • After the quarter, we received a second major order, which came out of the oil and gas industry. The project involves plates that will be used in upstream equipment at the Wheatstone natural gas project in Australia. The order is valued at more than $6 million and was entered into our backlog after the close of the quarter. A key factor in winning these contracts was Nobelclad's ability to produce large volumes under very tight delivery schedules. This speaks to some of our key competitive strengths, as we do not believe any other business in the cladding industry could have met these aggressive delivery requirements.

  • At DYNAenergetics, our new shaped-charge plant in Blum, Texas, is nearly complete, and we expect to commence production early in the third quarter. Construction on our plant in Siberia is also progressing, and we are on pace to meet our targeted start-up date in Q2 of 2014.

  • We also have recently made important additions to the DYNAenergetics leadership team. You may recall that in January, we announced the equipment of Ian Grieves as President of DYNAenergetics. We also recently named John Biggs as Vice President and General Manager of DYNAenergetics Americas. John, who will report to Ian, spent the last 10 years with Dresser, Inc., a $2 billion energy equipment manufacturer that was acquired by GE's oil and gas division in 2011. Both Ian and John are talented leaders who have managed complex industrial businesses on a global scale, and we are glad to have them on board.

  • Our AMK Welding business remains focused on generating new revenue streams following the wind-down of a major ground power program. Although sales have been somewhat lumpy in recent quarters, the AMK team has made meaningful progress in its efforts to enter new end-markets and expand its relationships with existing customers. We recently appointed Gary Klein as AMK's President, and have great confidence in his abilities to grow the business and its technical service offerings.

  • Gary has extensive engineering and operational experience, and for the past six months he's been a key contributor to our DYNAenergetics business in the Americas. We are confident AMK will return to a position of stable growth, and despite the slow start to 2013, we believe it will still deliver sales results comparable to those posted in 2012.

  • At the corporate level, our focus has been on augmenting our infrastructure to more effectively support our operating businesses. We have made key additions to our IT and finance staff, and are streamlining our global reporting processes. These enhancements are positioning us to address our longer-range objective, which is to expand our family of technical product and processes businesses serving niche markets in the global energy and infrastructure industries.

  • I will now turn the call over to Rick for a review of our first-quarter financial performance. Rick?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Thanks, Kevin, and good afternoon, everyone. We posted sales during the first quarter of $46.3 million, which was down 7.9% from the first quarter last year. You'll recall we had previously forecast a year-over-year sales decline of 7% to 10%. Gross margin came in at 28% versus 29% in last year's first quarter. We reported an operating loss of $1.1 million versus operating income of $4.1 million in the first quarter a year ago. As we mentioned during the last call, our first-quarter operating results reflect $3 million of nonrecurring expenses associated with management retirements.

  • We reported first quarter net income of $215,000, or $0.02 per share, versus net income of $2.4 million, or $0.18 per share, in the 2012 first quarter. This year's net income figure reflects the tax benefit of approximately $1.2 million, $908,000 of which related to recently enacted federal legislation that was applicable to 2012 but couldn't be recognized until this year.

  • Adjusted EBITDA was $3.3 million versus $8.1 million in the first quarter last year. Cash flow from operating activities was $6.3 million versus $6.7 million during the first quarter last year. Looking at expenses -- G&A was $8.1 million versus $4.5 million in the first quarter last year. Of course, $3 million of the increase was related to retirement expenses, with the balance coming from higher professional services, increased salaries, and other expenses.

  • Selling and distribution costs decreased 3% to $4.1 million. Total first-quarter SG&A was $12.2 million, which was below our forecast of $12.5 million. Excluding nonrecurring retirement expenses, SG&A was $9.2 million. Amortization of purchased intangible assets during the first quarter was $1.6 million.

  • With respect to guidance, we are maintaining our previous full-year sales forecast, which calls for top-line increase of 8% to 10% from sales of $201.6 million reported in 2012. Gross margin is still affected in a range of 27% to 29%. We have revised our anticipated full-year blended effective tax rate to 21% to 23%, up slightly from the prior forecast of 20% to 22%. Excluding the impact of the first-quarter tax benefit, the anticipated blended effective rate is 26% to 28%.

  • For the second quarter, we expect sales will increase by 11% to 14% versus sales of $48.7 million in the second quarter last year. We anticipate gross margin will be in a range of 27% to 29%. Second-quarter SG&A expense should return to a normalized quarterly level of approximately $9.5 million, and the second-quarter amortization expense should be approximately $1.6 million.

  • Interest expense for the quarter is expected to be roughly $200,000. With that, we are now ready to take any questions. Manny?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions). Edward Marshall, Sidoti & Co.

  • Edward Marshall - Analyst

  • You can assure I am not going to be pronouncing any provinces in Canada.

  • >>Unidentified Company Representative

  • Saskatchewan.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Manitoba and Ontario are pretty easy. And I should've just said Canada.

  • Edward Marshall - Analyst

  • Rick, how do you spell that? Kidding. The $3 million charge in the quarter -- what was the exact amount, Rick, if you have that handy?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • $2.965 million.

  • Edward Marshall - Analyst

  • And what should I use -- is 35% tax rate the right rate to use if I wanted to back that out?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • That's a good question. We can only report one net income and one earnings-per-share number. But certainly that expense relates to the US, which out of our jurisdictions does have a higher tax rate than most of the foreign -- than the foreign tax jurisdictions where we operate.

  • Edward Marshall - Analyst

  • So when I think about the balance of the year -- SG&A trends -- is $9 million a pretty good run rate for the remainder of the year, or do you -- what are the puts and takes to SG&A?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes, the variations can be incentive compensation, which is tied to operating results; professional service fees, which relates to legal, it can relate to some business development, consulting expenses. [T&E] can vary a little bit. So we've suggested approximately $9.5 million. It can be a little bit less than that in some quarters, perhaps in a little bit greater in others.

  • Edward Marshall - Analyst

  • And you gave some pretty good color, I think, on contracts and that's always helpful. I am curious about the quoting activity. We saw quite a bit about it over the prior few quarters, and it's good to see the contracts finally land. I'm curious if the quoting activity remains as robust, or if these were just two contracts that we were talking about for some time, and therefore the quoting activity kind of dried up.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • I think the quoting activity is moderate, not necessarily robust, and we're expecting the second half of the year to be a little bit weaker in Europe. But we still remain quite optimistic that the global energy and chemical industries are pretty active, in that some of the broader international projects that we are looking at are still on the horizon. It's just timing is very difficult for us to predict.

  • Edward Marshall - Analyst

  • This is going to sound like an odd question. I do know my geography, but when you say quoting activity in Europe, do you also include Middle East in that activity in Europe as we progress?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes, the Middle East is part of the sales region for our two European cladding operations. And from the US, we cover Asia, Australia, South America.

  • Edward Marshall - Analyst

  • And then finally, as we look at guidance for Q2 2013 in the sales guidance -- to get there, it looks like you have pretty meaningful advances in both, if not all three, business segments. What are the puts and takes to the revenue guidance as we look at each individual segment? Is one expected to be better than the others, or are they all expected to go up by the same amount?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • I think, relatively speaking, we expect the perforating oilfield products business to have somewhat stronger growth than our (inaudible) welding business.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • And then part of that -- in 2012, the Indian tender, which is $2.5 million to just over $3 million this year, was in last year's first quarter, and we expect that to go in the second quarter. At the same time, they are making good progress as an operating unit in terms of solidifying their everyday business. So we would expect DYNAenergetics to be up a little bit higher and clad to have a good quarter.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • And AMK Welding is a smaller business segment. It will have modest improvement in the second quarter from the relatively slow first quarter, and then it will see a much better second half of the year.

  • Edward Marshall - Analyst

  • Great. Thanks, guys.

  • Operator

  • Avinash Kant, of D.A. Davidson.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • So, a few things I couldn't reconcile, actually. So when you talk about the $1.2 million tax benefit in the quarter, that was actually $0.09, I believe, in the quarter, right? But these full-year [taxes] that you are talking about, 26% to 28% -- that's excluding that, right?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • That is including the $908,000. Not the full $1.2 million, because part of the $1.2 million is applying that 26% -- roughly the 26% to 28% tax rate to the quarterly pre-tax loss and then adding to that number the $908,000.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • So maybe if I were to ask -- excluding the $1.2 million, what was the tax rate in the quarter?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • I think it came out to like 27.5% within that 26% to 28% range. So as you look at the rest of the year -- and I just personally look at Q3 or Q4; but looking at Q2, Q2 would fall in that 26% to 28% range based on our current forecast. So I would expect each of the remaining quarters would be not too far out of that 26% to 28% range, which, at the end of the day, after factoring in the credit, would give the full -- yield a full-year rate of 21% to 23%.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • So if you are trying to back out the $3 million of the management retirement -- the tax rate to be applied on that, should it be 27%, or --?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes, that was kind of the question that Ed was asking. And under our rules, we can disclose one net income amount and one effective tax rate. And I guess you can kind of decide how you want to deal with tax affecting that $3 million or $2.965 million charge. One way would be to use that 26% to 28% range; the other would be to use a rate that is closer to the --

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • The US tax rate.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • -- US tax rate.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • So your US tax rates are 35%?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • I believe that that is the top federal tax rate right now. I don't know that that is our effective rate for the full year, giving some of the tax credits that may be available.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • Okay. And if you talk about the next quarter, at least in revenue terms, there seems to be a little bit of an upside here. But you're not changing the full year. Is this primarily because you're filling the year in, or how do you see the bookings [end] going forward?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Well, we're still confident in our current projections for the balance of the year. We didn't change it, primarily because the large order that we have in our backlog in the first quarter, we anticipated. And so we are holding our guidance.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • Right. So with another large order now, $6 million in the bookings in the second quarter, should we expect bookings to move up sequentially?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • That's a tough question. We don't provide a bookings forecast and we don't provide a forecast for the backlog, because the backlog at a given point in time at the end of the quarter -- I mean, it's certainly affected by the timing of these large orders. So if the $6 million had been booked in March rather than April, it would have made things look different at March 31. So I guess we are very comfortable with the full-year sales guidance increase of 8% to 10%.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • Okay. Did I hear it right -- maybe I didn't hear it correctly -- that you said oilfield business this year will be compatible to last year's or up from last year?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • No, it will be up --

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • I said it grows -- relative to explosion welding would be a higher growth rate.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • On a full-year basis?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • On a full-year basis, yes.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • Okay. Any seasonality there?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • There is seasonality in a couple of regions. There is seasonality in Canada, but the sales in Canada aren't that large a percentage of the consolidated whole. So there's kind of slow periods in the spring when the snow melts and the equipment cannot get into the oilfields. And then the same thing occurs in the fall. And then there's some seasonality to the business in Siberia and Russia as well. So that seems to be moderated by the impact of things like the Indian tender order. So, Canadian sales slowdown in Q2, but this year we have the Indian tender order that will offset some of that decline. So, on the average, there's not a big seasonality effect to our oilfield products business.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • So if you were to look at the facility in Texas in terms of -- how much capacity do you get in revenue terms from that facility? And are you -- is it more of a question of you having the supply versus the demand?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Near term, it's a supply issue. We have built up quite an inventory of shaped charges in the US prior to commissioning of this facility. And once the facility comes onstream, you'll see that inventory and working capital come into line. And on a longer-term basis, in addition to giving us redundancy and additional capacity, it will enable us to be much more responsive to customers. And so we expect, longer term, a revenue increase, but near term, it's really supply and a cost issue.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • So in terms of the supply, how much additional supply can you gain, in revenue terms, from the Texas oilfield? One (technical difficulty) steady state.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes, I don't think we're ready to disclose that at this point in time.

  • Avinash Kant - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks so much.

  • Operator

  • Gerry Sweeney, Boenning & Scattergood.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Yes, hi, Gerry.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • How you doing?

  • Gerry Sweeney - Analyst

  • Good. I just wanted to stay on oilfield services for a second. I was sort of pleasantly surprised. The conventional list of wisdom was that North America would be slow out of the gate in the first half of this year, and then accelerate. That's probably more on the unconventional side. It seemed like you had a pretty good quarter, even without the India tender. My general thought process was that this was going to accelerate throughout the rest of the year. But are you pleasantly surprised at the way things have set up so far in Q1?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • I think they're pretty much as we anticipated. We were somewhat of our own worst enemy in the last part of 2012. And I think we corrected some of our operational issues that are allowing us to participate in the market at the level that our sales team and some customers are allowing. And so, the rig count is fairly constant. We're not expecting a big change there. But we do see a tick-up in completions in the number of stages. And that's helping the business somewhat. But I think the real issue is that we are better organized and we've got a better management team, and we're just seeing better operating performance from that team.

  • Gerry Sweeney - Analyst

  • On that note, looking at inventory working capital -- I mean, it ticked down in the quarter and I know you were mentioning that, as these new plans come on, we're going to see some of that come a little bit more in line. But I mean, was some of that inventory and control on working capital controls -- was that planned? I mean, that was another -- it looks like if it was positive cash flow for the quarter, was not far off of last year despite some of the transition targets.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Very much so, it was planned. And quite frankly, had the Indian tender shipped in the first quarter, that inventory would've dropped even more dramatically. The majority of that product is already produced, and we don't expect to replace it when it ships. So that's in line with our thinking that we need to, as a Company, get our working capital in line and definitely increase our inventory turns in that business.

  • Gerry Sweeney - Analyst

  • Are you targeting any certain level of inventory? I know it's sort of a moving target with sales, but any thoughts on that?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • We are. And we are kind of -- quite frankly, the goal for this year is a moderate goal. We expect to improve upon it even more so next year. We're kind of walking before we run. But the inventory issue is closely related to product management and how we serve our customers. Our goal is to get our inventory down and improve our service levels to our customers. So it's all about having the right inventory. And so, it's a little bit more complex than stopping producing, but we're trying to stop producing the wrong things.

  • Gerry Sweeney - Analyst

  • With 14 distribution centers making sure the right product is in the right spot, sort of streamlining and optimizing the distribution channels and just getting it under control. How do you know expect it -- [spend] on IT and financial reporting? Right?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Yes, and really helping the business -- our business is to better understand and have the right tools so that they can manage their business effectively. And really, we're putting a focus on free cash flow and generating free cash going forward, as well as improving our return on invested capital.

  • Gerry Sweeney - Analyst

  • Switching gears real quick just to the explosive metalworking side -- you did mention that the timing of these projects is what sort of separated you from the rest of the pack. It seems in today's economy things are -- everyone is a little bit more hesitant to spend. Is timing going to become more of an issue, going forward, getting product to market, or is this just related to these two projects?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • I think what I'm witnessing -- and Rick, you can add to it -- is that even though these are projects we talk about for a long time or an extended period of time, sometimes the fabricator or the contractor is not chosen until the last hour. And it's something that's talked about for a long time, then it's hurry up at the end of it. And, quite frankly, we kind of like that because it reduces our competition.

  • And our Nobelclad business is very effectively managed and they're a very good operating team. And they are capable of delivering, under short timetables, complex cladding in sizable quantities, and without increasing working capital unnecessarily or our fixed costs. So it really -- on one hand, we'd like the predictability of having the orders earlier in the --

  • Gerry Sweeney - Analyst

  • In the cycle or the planning process, right?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • But then, on the other hand, if we had them earlier, it takes away a competitive advantage that we have.

  • Gerry Sweeney - Analyst

  • So some of the global uncertainty, in other words, is creating a little bit of a competitive advantage; because it's plan, plan, plan and then companies pull the trigger at the last minute on the CapEx side, and then it's a rush to make the project up and going?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes. In one of these two orders that we discussed, we're competing against Roll Bond. And, you know, Roll Bond could not deliver. Roll Bond got a good chunk of the order; but we got a good chunk of the order too, because we could turn a portion of the order around very quickly. And they could get started on the fabrication of some of the equipment, sooner than what would have otherwise been the case.

  • Gerry Sweeney - Analyst

  • Got it. And then finally, just real quick -- I know that this is longer-term but Asia, obviously an opportunity for you, but headlines talking about maybe some slowdown in that region. You do have some offices down there, you know -- it's not a large part of your revenue right now. Any thoughts on how that market continues to develop?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • The -- you know, we've got a very effective team in Korea; and there continues to be a lot of large fabrication and project work out of Korea. And in March we received our license in China, and we're currently outfitting an office in Shanghai, which will open in May. And we've -- the Nobelclad team has already added an experienced sales manager and salesman in China that will be starting in May. So, you know it's -- we're really planning for the long term in Asia, and even though there may be somewhat of a slowdown it's still robust compared to other parts of the world.

  • Gerry Sweeney - Analyst

  • I understand. Okay, that's good color. Guys, I appreciate it. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Dan Whalen, of Topeka Capital Markets.

  • Dan Whalen - Analyst

  • Hey, a couple of, I guess, related questions to the prior questions. Just in terms of the -- not to quantify it or anything, but in terms of the new Texas facility, is there much staked into the full-year guidance or is that kind of just added cushion in terms of potential revenue from that in the second half?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • It really is not factored into the full-year guidance. And I think that if we weren't sitting on so much inventory, I probably would factor it into the guidance. But really, the objective of that group this year is to get the inventory down and be demands constrained going forward.

  • Dan Whalen - Analyst

  • Okay, all right --

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • They are not demands constrained right now.

  • Dan Whalen - Analyst

  • Got you. So potentially, a little wiggle room to the upside of the range is what Texas kind of looks like?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Yes.

  • Dan Whalen - Analyst

  • Great. And then, certainly it sounds like you're making sense good headway in terms of inventories, working capital, things of that nature. Down the road -- acquisitions and certainly a process of due diligence and things of that nature. But what's kind of the pipeline, so to speak, look like or what do you guys kind of seeing out there in the marketplace, in terms of opportunities?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Well, there's two aspects to it, I guess. We have not been as active in the marketplace as we will be going forward. And we're asking each of our operating companies today to focus on operational excellence. And really, our goal is to get better before we get bigger. And so we are keeping the team really focused on the near term, and we are developing a strategy, if you will, that they will be contributing to a pipeline of potential opportunities more from a [bolt-on] standpoint. And from a corporate level, myself and Rick Santa will be working on more of the platform type businesses.

  • You know, it's taking a small percentage of our time right now, but it will take an increasing percentage of our time as we have fewer difficulties on the executing side of it.

  • Dan Whalen - Analyst

  • I got you.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • And that will pick up more toward the end of the year and into next year.

  • Dan Whalen - Analyst

  • Okay. Just so I understood your prior commentary correctly -- just taking the first quarter out of the equation here. The way we should be looking at the tax rate for the second through fourth quarters is kind of a 26% to 28 % tax rate. Is that kind of ballpark?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes. Averaging the next three quarters, it should be in that range. We might have one quarter that falls little bit outside. But for modeling purposes, I'd just use that range.

  • Dan Whalen - Analyst

  • So for quarters Q2 through Q4, just use that range, not the full year?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes, that should work.

  • Dan Whalen - Analyst

  • Okay, okay. Very helpful, okay. Thanks a lot, appreciate it.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Phil Gibbs, KeyBanc Capital Markets.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Good afternoon. I didn't hear Yvon; am I on the right call? Is he feeling okay?

  • Unidentified Company Representative

  • And the quality of food went down, too. (laughter)

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • I just had a couple questions. Are you seeing a lot of re-quoting on a lot of the projects that you're winning, just because of the commodity-pricing volatility right now? Is that a factor?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • We usually quote within index, our time frame. And so we are not -- I don't think we're seeing any appreciable change in that regard.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes. In some of these big projects, we might quote a dozen times. But when it comes down to quoting when an actual purchase order's about to be delivered, we are, again, going to the market. We're getting firm fixed-price quotes from our suppliers and we're using that for the final quotes for our customers. So we're not really required to do that right at the end of the process.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • And that's principally Nobelclad.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Right, okay. And am I right on this, Kevin, with the Blum, Texas, project coming online in the third quarter, that you're looking at that as more of an execution in the very short term? And any margin or sales benefits we should be allocating to 2014?

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Yes.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Okay. Any sort of quantification you could give or anything qualitatively you could give on the inventory position, and how heavy that you feel like you are in oilfield?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • I guess we believe that we can -- you know, I'm not sure if I fully understand your question, but we think that we can reduce inventories by 20% to 25% over the course of a few quarters.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Near term.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • And the local manufacturing in North America and Russia will help with that.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • You can imagine if the plant in Germany is producing for Russia and producing for North America, and then it has to also fulfill a $3.2 million tender offer, there's some long lead times involved that you can't do just-in-time production.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • I was just curious if you had any targets.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • We do. I mean, ideally we're trying to get the, as Rick was saying, 25% actually close to 30% down this year, and quite frankly, you know hopefully, by this time next year by half.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Okay, that's certainly very helpful. I think those are the main ones and then I've got my usual segment gross margin question.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Okay, I'll start with the good numbers first. Oilfield products first this time. 37.3% in the first quarter of 2013 versus 33.5% in first quarter of 2012. And for the cladding, we were at 22.5% in the first quarter of 2013 versus 26.2% in the first quarter of 2012.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • That's very mix dependent?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • It really is. And yes, just as an example -- the first quarter of last year, we shipped a large portion of the US shipment related to our sweet spot US work. You know, [explosive] clad -- no competition, whereas more of the first quarter of this year involved shipments to Asia, where we typically have more competition and the margins are lower because of some of the shipping costs associated with those orders versus the competitors.

  • And then AFK -- AFK had a tough quarter with its low sales. It had a negative gross margin of 6.7% versus 11.3% positive gross margin in 2012.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Okay, would you characterize the margins in the [explosive] metalworking probably more like the lower end of kind of what the normalized range would be for you guys right now? It looks like last year was close to 27%. The year before that, a little less rich -- obviously 22%. Somewhere kind of in the middle as far as the range?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes, you know we are expecting a little bit lower gross margin this year than what we enjoyed last year. But hopefully, it will be equal to or little bit better as we move through each of the next three quarters than the 22.5% that we enjoyed in Q1.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Okay, and it looks like you --

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • That we didn't enjoy, we reported in Q1, excuse me.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Correct, correct. Yes. Two quarters in a row now, over 37% in oilfield; that's pretty strong. Is that something that you're looking to hold, or I mean is that something that's mix dependent as well or do you get accretion on that?

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • It's a little bit mix dependent. And another dynamic is, if we're bringing inventory down and that inventory involves intercompany purchases, we get to recognize the rest of the profit. So we get to recognize the profit that was deferred on the sale from the German parents to the sister companies in the US and Russia. And that gives us some additional boost on the gross-margin front.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • If I bring those inventories down. Plus in the first quarter of last year, we had a 33.5%, which included a lower-margin India tender order. So that's an example where in the second quarter the India tender would put a little bit of downward pressure on the gross margin that we report for oilfield product. So there's a little bit of mix there, but we would like to think that we can sustain gross margins above what we reported for all of the last two years in oilfield products.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Okay. And just the last one, and maybe I should've started with this. Very high level -- now, you know relative to maybe three or four months ago, what have you seen as far as the big changes? Not necessarily in your business, but globally as you go and talk to customers? Thanks.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • I think that we're all waiting for that pick-up in the chemical process industry infrastructure to happen. So, I think that that's still kind of where our guidance in that regard is moderate. And we're seeing fairly healthy activity in the oilfield products, and so we're encouraged by what we see there. And, I think, on our AMK business is -- operationally is where we need to improve in order to build that business back to what it should be.

  • And so, one is market. I think our management is executing well in our oilfield products area, and they'll be executing better in our AMK welding business in the near future.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Yes. The execution is, for the most part, excellent. With the Nobelclad business, we just need more business.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • And customers are very optimistic in AMK, and I think in the oilfield products we're hearing good things. And again, we're just being cautious on the timing of the projects that we are working on in the Nobelclad part of it.

  • Phil Gibbs - Analyst

  • Thanks guys, good luck going forward.

  • Rick Santa - SVP, CFO, and Secretary

  • Thanks Phil.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, we have no further questions in queue at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Long for any closing remarks.

  • Kevin Longe - President, CEO, and Director

  • Okay. Thank you again for joining us today, everyone. We're encouraged by the operational achievements that we've made year to date, and we do believe they will position us for long-range success and improved shareholder value. We look forward to speaking with you again after the second quarter. So take care.

  • Operator

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