Armstrong World Industries Inc (AWI) 2017 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Armstrong World Industries Third Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

I would now like to hand the floor over to Tom Waters with Investor Relations at Armstrong. Please go ahead, sir.

Thanks, Karen. Good morning, and welcome, everyone. Please note that members of the media have been invited to listen to this call, and the call is being broadcast live on our website at armstrongceilings.com.

With me today are Vic Grizzle, our CEO; and Brian MacNeal, our CFO. Hopefully, you have seen our press release this morning, and both the release and the presentation Brian MacNeal will reference during this call are posted on our website in the Investor Relations section.

I advise you that during this call, we will be making forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Actual outcomes may differ materially from those expected or implied. For a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that may affect Armstrong World Industries, please review our SEC filings, including the 10-Q filed earlier this morning. Forward-looking statements speak only as of the date they are made. We undertake to obligation to update any forward-looking statements beyond what is required by applicable securities law.

In addition, our discussion of operating performance will include non-GAAP financial measures within the meaning of SEC Regulation G. A reconciliation of these measures with the most directly comparable GAAP measures is included in the press release and in the appendix of the presentation. Both are available on our website.

With that, I will turn the call over to Vic.

Thanks, Tom, and good morning, everyone. It's good to be with you today to discuss our third quarter and to summarize our year-to-date results.

On a global basis, we had a solid quarter, with constant currency sales up 4%. We had positive contributions from all sales levers: volume, price and mix. Volumes were particularly strong in the Pacific Rim, in Russia and in our global Architectural Specialties business. Our like-for-like pricing gains, which we continue to earn with our industry-leading customer service and quality, again outpaced raw material and energy costs in the current inflationary environment.

Positive mix continued, as growth in our high-end mineral fiber products remains well above market growth rates. And the adoption rate of our newest, most innovative products, Total Acoustics and Sustain, is, frankly, unprecedented and reflects our strong connection to customer needs and to where the market is going. And adjusted EBITDA in the quarter of $107 million was an all-time record for the ceilings business. So overall, a solid quarter.

Globally, year-to-date sales were up 7%, with all regions contributing to the growth. Volume and average unit value, or AUV as we refer to it, are both positive year-to-date. In fact, both components of AUV, like-for-like pricing and mix, were positive in the quarter.

In the quarter, we also continued to gain momentum with our growth initiatives. First, our average unit value expanded as market trends toward higher-end products, coupled with our ability to win specifications, resulted in mid-single-digit growth in our high-end mineral fiber products. Secondly, we continue to gain share in the Architectural Specialties sector. This product group had another excellent quarter, with sales up 20% globally, including the benefit of Tectum acquisition.

Excluding Tectum's contribution, organic architectural specialty sales grew double digits in both the Americas and Asia. And thirdly, the M&A pipeline continues to develop nicely. The Tectum integration, our acquisition from earlier in the year, continues to go very well. I'm pleased with the sales and the EBITDA growth that this business is delivering.

Tectum's year-to-date sales are up 12%, demonstrating the value of being part of the Armstrong system. This is the type of revenue synergy we expect to be able to achieve with bolt-on acquisitions.

In the Americas segment, sales were up 3% on a constant currency basis. Architectural Specialties grew double digits against a strong third quarter in 2016. And the AUV in our mineral fiber products expanded mid-single digits, which includes positive like-for-like pricing from our July price increase. The price increase is yielding, as expected, price realization and has gained momentum throughout the quarter and has continued into October. We expect this to be the case for the remainder of the year.

Sales of our high-end mineral fiber products are growing and continue to outpace the overall market, as customers are demanding more features and benefits in their ceilings. Architects and designers are increasingly seeking to create better and healthier interior spaces in the buildings they design. Armstrong's high-performance ceiling system portfolio, including our recently launched Total Acoustics and Sustain families, are uniquely positioned to capitalize on these trends.

Total Acoustics provides the ideal combination of superior sound absorption and noise blocking. Sustain products do not contain any Red List chemicals and utilizes sustainable materials to meet today's most stringent industry standards. Armstrong is leading the way in the ceilings space with these new products and differentiating ourselves in the eyes of leading architects and designers.

The volumes in the commodity portion of our mineral fiber portfolio declined in the quarter, primarily driven by education, repair and remodel activity, continued uncertainty in the health care sector and the impact of the hurricanes. The softness in education was broad-based, as state and local spending for schools was down in the quarter. This market-driven softness will become less important in the fourth quarter as students are back in their classrooms.

While difficult to quantify, the hurricanes also clearly had a disruptive impact on sales. We have plants in Macon, Georgia and Pensacola, Florida. And while I'm pleased to report that all our employees are safe and that the facilities sustained only minor damage, we did lose a few production and shipping days. Additionally, our distributors in the impacted regions were shut down for multiple days.

Now before turning to our international segments, let me just take a step back for a moment and elaborate on this. There was a lot of disruption in the Americas environment in the third quarter, primarily due to the hurricane and some unevenness in the R&R activity. While the third quarter had slower sales growth than the first half of the year, if we look at the third quarter plus October versus the same 4 months of 2016, the year-over-year sales pattern returns to our expected run rate for the full year. The storms clearly shifted demand out of September, and we're seeing a portion of that bounce back in October. October sales are up double digits, with nice gains in both volume and AUV. Underlying market conditions continue to have the same bright spots as earlier in the year, including strength in new construction across virtually all end markets. And the repair and remodel activity in office continues to improve. There's a lot of activity out there. The contractors I'm talking to are busy and have expressed confidence in their backlogs and are optimistic as they see it continuing.

So based on strong October sales, a strong order backlog and our unchanged view of the market, we are reaffirming our previously increased full year sales guidance.

Now turning now to our international operations. Sales were up 18% in the Pacific Rim, with China up over 40% after a slow start to the year. Architectural Specialties sales in the Pacific Rim were up over 20%. In Europe, sales were down 1% with a market-driven decline in the U.K., only partially offset by continued year-over-year strength in Russia. Our localization efforts in Russia continue to allow us to gain share and grow in a flat market. Our team in Russia continues to perform very well.

Overall, year-to-date sales outside the Americas are up high single digits.

Now as I mentioned earlier, global adjusted EBITDA of $107 million is a record and was up 12% from the prior year. Our average unit value gains were the biggest driver of the improvement. Our industry-leading customer service and quality allow us to continue to earn gains above inflation, and positive mix trends continued, as growth in our high-end products remains above market growth rates.

Now excluding some of the onetime items that Brian will discuss in a moment, it's still a record quarter, and our adjusted EBITDA margins expanded 80 basis points from last year and year-to-date are up 50 basis points. The team continues to execute on price, mix and productivity initiatives to contribute to the margin expansion. This solid bottom line performance drives strong cash flow and allows the flexibility to invest in the business organically, pursue acquisitions and return cash to shareholders. As you saw in our press release, our board has authorized an additional $250 million on top of our existing share repurchase program. This is a strong vote of confidence in our strategic plan and the value-creation opportunities we have right in front of us.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Brian to discuss more details around our financial performance. Brian?

Thanks, Vic. Good morning to everyone on the call. Today, I'll be reviewing our third quarter and year-to-date September results. But before we go into the financials, as a friendly reminder, I'll be referring to the slides available on our website.

Slide 3 details our basis of presentation used throughout this discussion. The primary differences to our reported results are expenses related to the separation in the prior year and the adjustments made for our U.S. pension plan.

Turning to Slide 4. For our third quarter results, consolidated constant currency sales of $346 million grew 4%. Adjusted operating income increased 9%, while adjusted EBITDA increased 12%, expanding margins by 230 basis points. Adjusted diluted earnings per share were up 12 -- 14% due to higher earnings. Adjusted free cash flow improved by 12% over the prior year quarter due primarily to higher cash earnings and less CapEx. Net debt increased by $10 million due to a slightly lower cash position from our share repurchase activity.

Turning now to Slide 5. Adjusted EBITDA increased 12%, driven by solid AUV fall-through to profit, higher volumes and lower SG&A expenses. AUV improvements in the Americas drove this result. Both positive mix and positive like-for-like pricing led to the strong AUV fall-through as we continue to sell a richer mix of products and benefit from prior pricing actions. Globally, volume improved, driven by our international markets, particularly in China, as the office market continues to recover. In total, emerging markets sales grew 16% over the prior year quarter. WAVE equity earnings are lower this quarter, as both parents executed a revised support cost arrangement. This periodic process updates support costs for services provided by the parent companies. These revised costs positively impacted our adjusted EBITDA by approximately net $3 million in the quarter, including a year-to-date true-up and will continue into the future. Full details can be found in the appendix on Slide 15. Lastly, the increase in D&A is related to an accelerated depreciation charge from our previously idled Qingpu plant, which we are now classifying as closed.

Slide 6 shows our change in adjusted free cash flow compared to the prior year quarter, which grew 12%, driven mainly by higher cash earnings and less CapEx. Sales growth in all of our reportable segments led to favorability in cash earnings. WAVE dividends were down due to the previously mentioned support cost adjustment and higher steel costs.

Turning now to our segments on Slide 7. The Americas grew constant currency sales by 3%. AUV accelerated year-over-year, up 100 basis points and grew mid-single digits versus the prior year. Another quarter with a solid AUV fall-through rate demonstrates our focus on selling higher-value, higher-margin mineral fiber products and our ability to realize positive like-for-like pricing from our prior pricing actions. Clearly, our business objective of growing margins remains vital to our organization. As Vic mentioned, we continue to gain traction with our growth initiatives, as Architectural Specialties were up double digits and high-end mineral fiber products continue to grow. I'm pleased with our ability to generate a meaningful return from these initiatives. However, overall volumes declined, like Vic mentioned, driven by lower-end commodity products used primarily in the education sector, along with lower demand impacted by the hurricanes.

Adjusted EBITDA increased by 13%, as we expanded margins by 340 basis points. Over the past several years, we have disclosed ongoing litigation and remediation expenses related to legacy environmental issues with our Americas plant footprint. I'm pleased that in the third quarter, we entered into our first significant insurance settlement to recover a portion of those legacy expenses. Net of legal expenses for the project and other consulting fees, that settlement provided about $3 million of net benefit in the quarter. SG&A costs increased in the quarter mainly driven by the previously mentioned support cost revisions with WAVE. I'm pleased that we continue to accelerate our AUV achievement year-over-year with contributions from the ongoing mixup trend and positive like-for-like pricing as we, once again, cover inflation through our pricing discipline. Higher steel costs and the margin impact of lower volumes for WAVE were headwinds. Importantly, after excluding the insurance settlements, legal costs, consulting fees and WAVE support costs revisions, we expanded adjusted EBITDA margins by 160 basis points.

Moving to our EMEA segment on Slide 8. Quarterly constant currency sales decreased 1%, driven by softer market conditions in the U.K. Adjusted EBITDA was flat, while margins expanded 40 basis points, driven by higher volumes and positive like-for-like pricing, which are partially offset by higher input costs and lower equity earnings.

Moving to our Pacific Rim segment on Slide 9. Quarterly constant currency sales increased by 18%, driven by sales strength across the region but predominantly in China. I'm encouraged to see this strength in China continue as the office and education sector accelerate. Adjusted EBITDA was essentially flat, driven by strong volume in China, which was offset by lower AUV and higher steel costs for WAVE. The D&A change is related to the Qingpu plant closure that I mentioned earlier.

Turning now to our year-to-date 2017 results on Slide 10. Constant currency sales improved 7%, driven by sales growth in every segment. Adjusted operating income increased 12%, and margins expanded by 110 basis points. Adjusted EBITDA grew double digits, up 11%, while margins expanded by 110 basis points, driven by higher volumes globally and AUV achievement, particularly in the Americas. Adjusted diluted earnings per share improved by 18%, and adjusted free cash flow grew 31% versus the prior year, both driven by higher earnings.

On Slide 11, you'll see the drivers of our consolidated adjusted EBITDA performance for the first 9 months of 2017. The margin impact of higher volumes globally and AUV achievement, primarily from the Americas, offset higher input costs and lower WAVE equity earnings. WAVE was partially impacted by the support cost revisions mentioned earlier. Details can be found in the appendix on Slide 15.

Slide 12 details our year-to-date change in adjusted free cash flow, which improved by over 30% against the prior year, primarily driven by higher sales.

Slide 13 outlines our revised 2017 guidance. We are increasing our adjusted EBITDA and adjusted diluted earnings per share guidance directly related to the October environmental insurance settlement disclosed as a subsequent event in our 10-Q filing today for $20 million before expenses. We now expect our adjusted EBITDA to grow 15% to 18% and range from $365 million to $375 million, with the increase based only on the impact of the settlement, net of additional legal expenses for the project.

We are reiterating our constant currency sales guidance, along with our adjusted free cash flow guidance, as we expect to receive a majority of the cash related to the October environmental insurance settlements early next year. For clarity on our 2017 guidance, at the beginning of the year, we underwent a probability-weighted analysis on the potential impact of net environmental insurance settlements in the year. We estimated that we would realize $6 million in settlements the second half of the year. We are on schedule for that objective as we benefited from $3 million, as I've described earlier. We are raising our guidance due to the settlement reached in October and disclosed as a subsequent event in our 10-Q, as we did not anticipate this magnitude of recovery in 2017.

Regarding the WAVE support costs revisions. We underwent a similar analysis, as we did expect to execute this periodic review for cost of services provided by the parent this year. However, the timing of this impacted Q3 more meaningfully as it was a year-to-date true-up. As we move forward, this will be a more even distribution across the quarters.

I also wanted to update everyone on our U.S. pension plan. We derisked our program by offering lump sum settlements to select participants. The success of this program ultimately triggered settlement accounting and acceleration of expense for over $20 million in the quarter. Importantly, this accounting treatment does not impact our free cash flow, as the settlement will be paid by the plan and will not -- and we will not make any cash contribution this year and for the foreseeable future, as our current funded status is over 100%. As a reminder, this impact is excluded from all of our adjusted numbers but was the main driver of the decrease in as-reported operating income over the prior year quarter. Lastly, regarding our liquidity, we remain within our target net leverage range of 2 to 3x adjusted EBITDA.

To close, I'm pleased with our team's performance to drive EBITDA growth. Although sales performance came in lower than expected, I'm confident that we will execute Q4, reaching our targeted full year guidance ranges as we continue to look for ways to maximize shareholder value.

With that, I'll turn it back to Vic.

Thanks, Brian. Further to Brian's comments on our insurance settlement, I want to add that while this is still an ongoing matter, the progress to date in these initial settlements are a reflection of our management team's focus on taking actions to deliver shareholder value from all available assets and sources. With this multi-year effort, we're not only proactively mitigating future risks, but also seeking to recover previously incurred costs and expenses that will meaningfully impact our bottom line. Our legal team has done a fantastic job of executing this initiative.

Now in closing, we delivered a solid quarter in spite of the disruption in the Americas segment. I continue to be impressed with the adoption rate of some of our new product platforms, like Total Acoustics and Sustain, and how our market-leading innovation efforts and our architectural specialty capabilities are differentiating us in the marketplace, enabling us to deliver higher growth rates than the overall market. And I'm pleased with how our teams are responding with sufficient price realization to more than cover higher input costs in an inflationary period.

To sum up, this is another quarter where I hope you can see that Armstrong is no longer just a mineral fiber suspended ceiling company, that Armstrong has moved into the expanded market of total ceilings and is becoming a complete ceiling solutions company. We are selling into more spaces than ever before with our broad portfolio, including Architectural Specialties and Tectum-like products. And we are selling more into every space with our component products from our WAVE joint venture. This is a strategy to grow beyond the core mineral fiber category. We continue to build out our M&A pipeline to accelerate our penetration into these adjacencies.

All in all, we couldn't be more excited about our future, as you can clearly see from the authorization of an additional $250 million stock buyback program.

So thank you for being with us today. And with that, we're happy to take your questions.

(Operator Instructions) And our first question for today comes from the line of Mike Wood from Nomura Instinet.

I guess, I'll just focus on the sales guidance. It's a pretty wide range with 2 months left in the year. So I was hoping you can give some color in terms of what the biggest difference is between the low end and the high end with that. Looks like a 5% upside/downside to the midpoint of the fourth quarter guidance.

Mike, this is Brian. So yes, the range is a little wide. I'd say that it's continued to be driven by volume expectations and especially in our international markets as they close out the year.

And our next question comes from the line of Jason Marcus with JPMorgan.

So first question on the Americas volumes. I know you called out the hurricanes as negatively impacting the line in the quarter as well as softer education. But as you look outside of the hurricane regions, just wanted to see if you could give us some more color on the underlying growth rates in mineral fiber that you saw during the quarter. And then just a quick follow-up, with the plant closure in China, are there any charges that you would expect beyond what you had this quarter?

Yes, Jason, let me take the volume question. The education in particular, the repair and remodel activity in education was broad-based. And so that was much broader than the hurricane regions. I think we saw a shift, as I mentioned, from September to -- sometime in the fourth quarter. We're certainly seeing some of that bounce back in October, which is good to see. But the education repair and remodel activity was broad-based. Let me give a little bit of additional color around that. There was 23 states that had made mid-year budget reductions this year on for educational spending. And this is the highest budget reductions we've seen since 2010. So it was a meaningful and broad-based reduction for money spent on R&R activity in education. So that was a big driver, and that was really the -- bigger than the impact of hurricane for us in the third quarter.

And then, Jason, on the Qingpu question, we don't expect or anticipate any additional charges or changes there.

Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI.

This is actually Chris Shook in for Steve. My first question is on the WAVE business. So you commented that JV income dropped you to higher steel costs and higher support costs. Can you just add more color on really what drove the support costs and whether we should expect this elevated level to continue into '18?

Sure, Chris. This is Brian. As you look at Slide 5, we showed equity earnings globally were down $5 million. $4 million of that was specifically related to the cost change. So still some headwinds between the price realization and steel input costs. We did have a year-to-date catch-up, so it's worth roughly $2 million, $2.5 million in the quarter. And we'll expect a little tailwind in Q4 for that change in cost support.

I'll add to that, if I can, that the input costs, which are really steel, have been going up. And I'm really pleased with how the team's executed on price. We realized price in the quarter, positive price, like-for-like pricing in that grid business and really closed the gap on the steel costs increases that we've been seeing there. So I'm really pleased with the execution there, aside from the true-up in the costs that Brian outlined.

And our next question comes from the line of Keith Hughes with SunTrust.

Going back to Slide 7 on the Americas, the 160 basis points of margin expansion discussed at the bottom. Which items specifically does that exclude to get to that number?

Keith, it's Brian. So that excludes the environmental insurance settlement, net of legal and other consulting fees. So roughly $3 million in the quarter.

So the fees were -- they would have been $4 million. Is that right?

Yes. We basically said the settlement was $6.5 million, and so you're looking at roughly $3.5 million in kind of other legal and consulting fees that hit the quarter.

Okay. And that would just show up in SG&A. Is that right, the fees you're excluding?

Yes. So the insurance settlements end up following the traditional percentage of where the expense hits, so roughly 70% in the cost of goods and 30% in SG&A. The other legal and consulting fees hit SG&A directly. And then you could see in the footnote there, we've got the net benefit of year-to-date WAVE support cost change true-up. So that's the math to get you to the margins expanded 160 basis points.

Okay. So you've taken out, is it the $5 million benefit?

No. On WAVE, it's really $2 million. It's the impact of the year-to-date catch-up. When you look at Slide 15, we had $3 million in the quarter, and $2 million of that was catch-up.

Our next question comes from the line of Kathryn Thompson with Thompson Research.

This is Steven Ramsey on for Kathryn. Just some clarity on volumes for the quarter. How much did Tectum contribute? And then what was the North America core ceiling tile volume growth?

Yes, Stephen, this is Brian. So consistent with prior quarters and, really, for the year, in the Americas, Tectum's going to add about 3 points. We don't talk or quote specifically core mineral fiber volumes as we break it down. So for Tectum, that inorganic piece is worth 3 points.

Our next question comes from the line of Bob Wetenhall with RBC Capital Markets.

This is actually Marshall on for Bob today. Pacific Rim, obviously, big improvement in revenues. Would you talk about the trade-off between price and volume there? And what's contributing to that differential between the 2 items?

Yes, let me comment, really, because the China was the big driver of the double-digit growth across the region. I'd mentioned in my talking points that China was up over 40%. Really, there's a dynamic going on there that isn't driving, actually, a price volume trade-off. There's a lack of supply in the market based on some local players not being able to supply. They have their own environmental issues, and it's limiting supply from those traditional suppliers. So we're picking up share in the market without giving up price. In fact, we're working hard to raise price in that market. So not the traditional price volume trade-off that you would expect there. Nice volume growth, though.

And then on the sourcing in that region, in the past, you've highlighted some of the sourcing moving to the Americas and Europe. And potentially, there are earnings attributing to those regions, too. Is there any way to break out the impact of that? Or is that material enough to move the needle?

Yes, Marshall, in the past, we've profiled in our guidance that roughly $11 million of EBITDA's going to come out of Asia and the Pac Rim. $5 million of that's going to benefit the Americas and $6 million of it in Europe. That's an annual number.

And our next question comes from the line of John Lovallo with Bank of America.

It's actually Pete Galbo on for John. Brian, just hoping to get a little bit of clarity on the go-forward on environmental insurance settlements. So I think, in the press release, you'd outlined $20 million benefit for the fourth quarter. But then in the slide, the $15 million net benefit. I just want to make sure I'm understanding that right. And then any color on whether or not those carry at all into 2018?

Yes, Pete, it's a great question. So regarding the $20 million, you got the math right. Net of some of the additional legal and other third-party expenses, it'll net down to $15 million. As we think about it, we've got a $3 million net benefit in Q3. We would anticipate another $3 million in Q4 and then taking the full year up $15 million, less those expenses. Obviously, we're in litigation right now with a number of other carriers. And we're approaching, I'd say, our full P&L benefit. The way that works is we look back since the last few years, looking at all the expenses we have taken through the P&L, both in cost of goods and SG&A related to these sites and the legal fees associated with it. And we get to recover through the P&L up to that amount. And then any settlement above that will show up in the balance sheet to pay and fund future remediation and legal expenses.

Sorry, Brian, just to clarify. Did you say that there is a $3 million benefit also carrying into Q4, so really we should think about that as like an 18 net? Or did I mishear you?

No, that's not an 18 net. So it's $3 million, which we had already anticipated in our guidance. And then the $15 million is incremental. So, yes, if you do the math, you'll back into about $2 million of net expenses.

And our next question comes from the line of Ken Zener with KeyBanc.

Sticking with the Americas. You talked to Tectum and the tailwind it has provided. Last quarter, I asked about this, and I just want to get a clarification again. The strong pricing that we're seeing, was that in the third quarter also like-for-like pricing across all your categories, like you highlighted in 2Q? Or did you see better pricing in the high end, less so at that lower commoditized end?

No, very similar to what we reported, Ken, in 2Q. Balanced price across the portfolio and, really, across the portfolio. So we're getting price everywhere in the portfolio, to be very clear about that. And it's balanced between like-for-like pricing and, of course, the mix effect by selling more at the high end of the product portfolio with the margin expansion initiative. So, yes, I appreciate the question, but we're getting -- I'm really pleased with how our team's executing the price in the field.

Right. It's very good. And I wonder, Vic, I know we've talked about this in past. So education and state spending, you just called out education here, but those probably out of the 5 categories you service, those are 2 of the cyclically weaker ones if you think about some sort of baseline. Have you -- could you put this state budget revision in context for us, please, as it relates to how you guys have looked at it in the past, what it might mean? I certainly think liabilities pension are one of the elements constraining states this cycle versus prior ones. But if you could just flesh that out a little bit so we know if there's, perhaps, a snapback expected next year.

Yes, Ken, that's a tough one because each state has its own different set of challenges and for a variety of reasons. A lot of this R&R activity in education is quite discretionary. And so if the state is facing a specific issue in any of its budgeting items, obviously, they can divert this to those items. So it's very difficult to put a finger on, which is really why it's hard to forecast, I think, to really understand because these types of budget reductions happen real-time in the quarter. So it's really hard to -- I'm sorry I'm not going to give you a good answer on this one because it's really hard to put our finger on it. What I will tell you about this demand, though, it's not foregone demand. The renovation and repair needs are still there and will be there again next year. And so I don't think this is lost demand, but this is really going to be falling into the bucket of pent-up demand. They will eventually have to repair and renovate these damaged or outdated ceilings. What I'm encouraged by in the education segment, just to add a little bit to that, is on the new construction side. As I stated in the last November election, there was numerous bonds that were approved for renewed education spending. And the activity that we're seeing in education is very encouraging around the new construction and the major renovation projects. So I think there's more to come here, and I think that there's nothing structurally different about this education segment. I think the discretionary nature of it is showing up in this third quarter, as state and local budgets continue to be stressed.

Our next question comes from the line of Scott Rednor with Zelman & Associates.

Brian, I was hoping to better understand what exactly the WAVE adjustment relates to. And the reason I ask that is we obviously see what Worthington reports with the 1-month delta. But it's the largest gap between what they reported and what you guys reported in what looks like about 10 years. So can you maybe just explain what exactly it is?

Sure. So both parents provide support services to the joint venture. And we've been working on this for quite some time now and we finally came to an agreement between Worthington and ourselves on the JV on changes to those support costs. So both Worthington and AWI have changed their support costs. And it's stuff like, for example, selling. We've been making an investment in our selling organization here over the last few years. And in many cases, we haven't passed along all those expenses. So these support costs are for those types of things.

So will it change -- their cash will come down in terms of the dividend comparable to the expense you're now allocating for the JV? Is that a fair way to look at it?

Yes, what I would say is we, as parents, will have lower cash-out because we're getting reimbursements for that SG&A. And then, yes, the JV itself will have a slightly lower dividend back to us. That's why when you look at Page 15, just to drive it just a little bit further home, you see the net benefit for us in EBITDA is $3 million, but our WAVE equity earnings are down $4 million because that reflects the additional costs that Worthington has also passed along.

And our next question comes from the line of Garik Shmois with Longbow Research.

This is Jeff Stevenson in for Garik. My question is, at a high level, how should we be thinking about incremental margins moving forward and margin expansion headed into 2018? Are there any risks we should be considering?

Let me just start. Brian, you can add some color to that. The initiative that we got going on driving margin expansion, which is driving innovation into the marketplace with higher-value products, which, there's actually a pull that the market wants to mix up to, we're leading the way with that. Those products are not only higher price points, but they're higher-margin products for us as well. So the more that we continue to mix up is going to continue to drive that. I don't see that ending in the near future at all. In fact, there's so many years of this to go as we replace the old technology that's installed, and especially here in the U.S. The others that we're committed to driving price over inflation. We have a 9-year history of delivering price realization to cover our inflationary costs. We're going to do that again this year, and I expect that we'll continue to do that at the discipline that we have. So we're going to continue to drive those 2 things and then on the back-end of the business with productivity. Our plants are committed to the lean methodology. We're 7 years into our lean journey, and we're continuing to make good progress. I don't think we're finished there. We've made some additional investments also in our manufacturing. It's going to structurally help our productivity going forward. So I think we have 3 strong initiatives that are going to continue to contribute to margin expansion going forward.

And one last one I'd add to that. It's really the focus on G&A more so. We've been making investments in selling and driving productivity in the G&A spend. And so to your question, I'd say, no, we fully expect to continue to drive EBITDA margin expansion. As you know, when you look at the Americas, we're right around 36%; globally, 26%. And so we continue to be focused on driving that margin expansion in Americas. And then as we've outlined before, one of our strategic initiatives is around improving the profitability in our international businesses, which we've seen some nice pickups in margin expansion in the last 18 months.

And that concludes our question-and-answer session for today. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Armstrong for any closing remarks.

Right. Thank you. Thank you, everybody, for being with us today. We appreciate the questions on some of the unusual items or onetime items in the quarter. But once you peel those back, we really had a solid quarter. We executed very well on pricing, which is really important in this environment. We continue to sell more products at the high end, driving the mix. Our team's executing internally on our plan, so we feel very good about the performance in the quarter. And really, we're well positioned to finish the year strong as we're reinforcing our guidance. We are feeling very good about where we are. And again, with the position that we've created in third quarter with our pricing initiatives, we feel good about finishing the year very, very strong. And the traction that we're getting in our growth initiatives is, frankly, exciting. And as I've mentioned earlier, we're excited about where we are as a company, and we look forward to updating you further in February when we get back together. So thank you, everybody, and have a nice day.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.