Autoliv Inc (ALV) 2014 Q4 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good day, and welcome to the Autoliv Inc.

  • fourth quarter 2014 earnings conference call.

  • Today's conference is being recorded.

  • At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Thomas Jonsson.

  • Please go ahead, sir.

  • Thomas Jonsson - Group Vice President, Corporate Communications

  • Thank you very much, Darren.

  • Welcome, everyone, to our fourth quarter 2014 earnings presentation.

  • Here in Stockholm we have our Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Jan Carlson; our Chief Financial Officer, Mats Wallin; and myself, Thomas Jonsson, Group Vice President of Corporate Communications.

  • During today's earnings call, our CFO will provide a brief overview of the fourth quarter and full-year 2014 performance, and general business conditions, while our CFO will provide some further commentary around the financial results, and outlook.

  • Then, at the conclusion of our presentation, we will remain available to respond to your questions.

  • As usual, the slide deck is available through a link on the homepage of our corporate website.

  • On the next page, we have our Safe Harbor statement, which, as you know, is an integrated part of this presentation and includes the Q&A that follows.

  • During the presentation, we will reference some non-US GAAP measures.

  • The reconciliations to US GAAP are disclosed in our quarterly press release and the 10-K that will be filed with the SEC in the upcoming weeks.

  • I will now turn it over to our CEO, Jan Carlson.

  • Jan, please.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Thank you, Thomas.

  • If we start by turning the page, we see the quarter 4 highlights.

  • We ended 2014 with another quarter of solid financial performance.

  • Our organic sales growth of 5.1%, almost 4 times the global light vehicle production, grow sales to $2.4 billion.

  • This was despite the currency translation headwind of more than $100 million.

  • The organic growth resulted in a better-than-expected double-digit operating margin of 10.1%, excluding costs for capacity alignment and antitrust matters.

  • This was also despite a 50 basis points of higher RD&E cost.

  • Return on capital employed of 26%, and return on equity of 18%, in combination with a 7% increase in our adjusted EPS, are all evidence that our strategies for growth and capital structure are paying off.

  • Also, our stable operating cash flow enabled our Company to return over $230 million to shareholders during the quarter.

  • And lastly, our organic sales growth in active safety was almost 50%.

  • As you have heard me say many times, quality is our first priority as our products never get a second chance, and saving human life is front and center of what we do each and every day.

  • On the next page, we have highlighted some of the key models that contributed to our strong organic sales growth during the fourth quarter.

  • When compared to the light vehicle production, this model mix contributed to our outperformance in North America, Europe, and also in our active safety product area.

  • During the fourth quarter, these models contributed to the majority of our net organic sales growth, and on annualized basis represent approximately 7% of sales.

  • If we now look on our full-year 2014 performance on the next page, also, the full year showed solid financial performance.

  • Organic sales growth of 6.2%, of which active safety grew 45% and China grew 8%, was almost 2 times the global light vehicle production.

  • We achieved an adjusted operating margin of 9.1%, despite increasing RD&E, net, around $45 million.

  • During 2014, we returned more than $800 million to shareholders through record dividends and share repurchases.

  • This, in combination with other actions, resulted in the leverage ratio of 0.3 times.

  • Looking ahead, we aim to reach 0.5 times leverage ratio during the first half of 2015.

  • Our return on capital employed of 24% and return on equity of 14% continue to run above our historical levels.

  • One year ago, I outlined how in 2014 our Company would continue its transition, with the attention to achieve a margin improvement beyond 2014.

  • I am pleased to say that we are overall executing according to plan, and expect margins to improve in 2015, even after further increasing RD&E to a range of 6% to 6.5% of sales for the year of 2015.

  • Lastly, in 2014 we announced a new operating structure that will result in two reporting segments: passive safety, which includes seatbelts, airbags, and steering wheels; and electronics, which includes passive and active safety electronics.

  • We plan to re-cost certain historical figures for 2013 and 2014 under this new segment reporting structuring during the first quarter, on March 30, 2015.

  • With all this in mind, I would like to sincerely thank the entire Autoliv team for delivering another year of quality and operational excellence, along with our solid financial performance.

  • If we turn the page, as we alluded to during the third quarter earnings call, we have been seeing some business coming our way related to the recalls of airbag inflators in our industry.

  • Last month, we announced an agreement to make the necessary investments to support Honda on their inflator replacement program.

  • And, as we discussed at the Detroit auto show, we now have agreements with several different OEMs for new supply of capacity to up to 25 million inflators for delivery during 2015 and 2016.

  • We're also in discussions for the supply of millions of additional units.

  • We are now expanding our capacity and capabilities to meet this demand as quickly as possible.

  • We believe these investments are also the right decision to further enhance our position in passive safety for the long term.

  • We see this as a vote of confidence from our customers for our proven track record of quality and our reliable technology, which could eventually become an industry standard.

  • Looking now at our strategies for growth on the next page, our sales in China exceeded $1.5 billion in 2014 and are now more than 16% of Autoliv consolidated sales.

  • During 2014, our organic sales growth performance in China versus LVP was not as good as expected, due to an unfavorable mix with some of our Asian OEMs that started in the third quarter and continued into the fourth quarter.

  • Looking into 2015, we expect our organic sales growth in China to gradually improve throughout the year as new programs ramp up production.

  • We remain optimistic about the long-term growth in China for mainly two reasons; first, the number of vehicles per thousand people in China is only about one-sixth of the developed markets; second, the safety content of vehicles is only about one-half of the developed markets, like Western Europe and United States.

  • Therefore, we will continue to invest in this market to support domestic demands, but also vertical integration, to support the region to remain competitive for the long term.

  • Looking now to our active safety business on the next page, I'm pleased to say that our active safety revenues reached $489 million in 2014.

  • We essentially achieved our $0.5 billion target one year ahead of the plan we established back in 2011.

  • 2015 will mark some new milestones for our Company around active safety.

  • Later this year, we will launch our first mono and stereo vision cameras, utilizing our internally developed algorithms.

  • We will also launch our new 77 gigahertz radar and our next generation safety domain controller, which will host the sensor fusion data used for vehicle control.

  • These are further examples that we are making good progress with our RD&E investments for growth.

  • In 2015, we see the need to add up to 300 hardware and software engineers.

  • This, along with other activities, will increase our investments in RD&E for electronics by approximately [$50 million] in 2015.

  • Lastly, as I mentioned at the Detroit auto show earlier this month, we now target to reach $2 billion for 2019 for our electronics business segment, of which, around $1 billion is expected to be related to active safety.

  • Turning the page again, for decades our industry has relied on our safety products to save lives and reduce injuries.

  • These products saves tens of thousands of lives every year and prevent more than 10 times the amount of severe injuries.

  • Looking ahead, we expect AEB, which stands for autonomous emergency braking, that will play an important role in the automotive safety.

  • This is evidenced by the new Euro NCAP, which today is focused on city and inter-urban AEB.

  • In addition, last week, NHTSA announced that AEB will become part of the new five-star test rating system to be introduced some point in the future.

  • Over the next several years, AEB will expand to protect vehicles, pedestrians, and cyclists in all weather conditions.

  • For this, sensors will be required to be highly reliable under all conditions, even during night time driving.

  • This will put further requirements on sensor and algorithm developments, and also sensor fusion.

  • As highlighted, this is an important focus area for our engineering efforts in electronics.

  • If we now look upon the key launches during 2015, and thereby turning the page, we have some of our customer models which should contribute to our strong organic sales growth in 2015.

  • Looking at the launches illustrated, we expect these platforms to each have an annual sales of between $40 million and $170 million for Autoliv, while our content per vehicle ranges from $100 to more than $500 per vehicle.

  • We, therefore, expect to continue to have a very diversified platform mix, and another good launch year in all regions, for both passive and electronics.

  • On the next page, we see the early indications from IHS for 2015 that shows that global light vehicle production will grow by approximately 2.4%, or 2 million vehicles.

  • 75% of this growth, or approximately 1.5 million vehicles, is expected to come from China.

  • In Japan, light vehicle production is expected to decline by 4%, or 400,000 vehicles, for full-year 2015, while rest of Asia is expected to increase year over year by 5%, or around 600,000 vehicles.

  • In Americas, the outlook remains mixed.

  • The US SAAR remains stable in the range of 16 million to 17 million vehicles, with inventories of approximately 61 days.

  • In North America, the light vehicle production growth rate is expected to be 3% for full-year 2015.

  • In South America, the weak economic conditions are expected to continue throughout 2015; and consequently, the light vehicle production is expected to remain relatively flat.

  • In the EU27, light vehicle registrations continued to improve, showing a steady but slow recovery.

  • Overall for Europe in 2015, the light vehicle production is expected to be flat, whereof Western Europe is expected to increase by 2%, and Eastern Europe showing a decrease by 5%.

  • The decline in Eastern Europe is partially driven by weakening market conditions in Russia.

  • To conclude, we believe the overall market conditions remain mixed for 2015.

  • I will now turn it over to our CFO, Mats Wallin, who will comment on our financial results and outlook.

  • Please go ahead, Mats.

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • Thank you, Jan.

  • Looking upon our financials on the next slide, we have our key figures for the fourth quarter.

  • Our record sales of $2.4 billion was driven by strong organic sales growth in active safety; premium brands in Europe; and Japanese OEMs in North America, and also includes an unfavorable currency translation effect of more than $100 million.

  • This strong sales growth resulted in our best gross profit ever and a 60 bps gross margin improvement year over year.

  • Despite higher CapEx this year, and our return on capital employed remains at roughly the same level as last year.

  • And return on equity increased to 18%, mainly as a result of a share repurchase program.

  • Looking now at our operating margin development on the next slide.

  • Our adjusted operating margin of 10.1% was 60 bps better than our guidance.

  • If you look to the chart on the left, the higher profit generated from the better-than-expected organic sales growth essentially drove the margin improvement versus our guidance.

  • In addition, lower-than-expected engineering expenses essentially offset unfavorable currency effects and others, net.

  • When compared to prior year, as illustrated by the chart to the right, we estimate the benefit from organic sales and currencies was 100 bps and 60 bps, respectively, while raw materials improved 10 bps.

  • The favorable items were mostly offset by higher RD&E net, 80 bps, mainly related to active safety and others; net 80 bps, which includes the increased cost in our footprint.

  • As we have noted previously, the increased cost in our footprint mainly includes our build up for growth, including vertical integration.

  • We continue to make progress in executing our plan to improve operating inefficiencies.

  • However, the improvements in Brazil are slower than expected due to the poor market conditions, and we now see increased challenges in Russia due to the deteriorating market conditions.

  • Looking now to our full-year 2014 results on the next slide.

  • Our strong organic sales growth of more than 6%, or $550 million, grow the sales to a new record of $9.2 billion, despite more than $100 million of unfavorable currency translation effects.

  • This is evidence that our investments for growth in China and active safety are paying off.

  • Combined, these accounted for 50% of the organic sales growth.

  • As we noted throughout the year, the benefit from organic sales growth, lower commodity cost, currencies were partially offset by increases in RD&E net, and footprint cost mostly related to growth and vertical integration.

  • As a result, our adjusted operating profit increased by 4% to $842 million; and we delivered a solid adjusted operating margin of 9.1% for full-year 2014, despite increasing RD&E net of around $45 million, and $9 million unfavorable translation effects.

  • The higher adjusted operating profit, along with a lower tax rate and share count, increased the adjusted EPS to $5.93, including higher interest cost.

  • The adjusted EPS excludes $0.87 per share for costs related to capacity alignment and antitrust matters.

  • Lastly, we had another year of solid returns with return on capital employed of 24%, and return on equity of 14%.

  • Looking now upon our cash flow on the next slide.

  • Our steady operating cash flow of $229 million for the quarter enabled us to deliver on our target of at least $0.7 billion for the full-year 2014, even after including discrete items related to antitrust matters.

  • Our CapEx net for full-year 2014 also came in at 4.9%, within the range of 4.5% and 5% of sales that we set at the beginning of the year.

  • Looking ahead to full-year 2015, we expect another strong year of operating cash flow and target around $0.8 billion, excluding any discrete items.

  • Our CapEx, net, expected to increase and be in the range for 5% to 6% of sales for full-year 2014 -- 2015, including the additional capital required for the new inflator replacement business.

  • Excluding the investment for the new inflator replacement business, we would expect to be within our long-term target range of 4% to 5% of sales.

  • Looking now at our capacity alignment on the next slide.

  • During the fourth quarter, we expensed $19 million for future actions, with a cash outlay of $21 million.

  • This resulted in a full-year 2014 capacity alignment cost of $45 million, and a cash outlay of $44 million, while realizing $6 million in savings, which is in addition to the $12 million we had in 2013.

  • As I mentioned on the last earnings call, we have been evaluating further actions, based on the long-term production footprint for the future.

  • Consequently, this year we plan to expense at least $60 million for additional capacity alignment actions, while we estimate a cash outlay of at least $50 million, with additional savings of $20 million for full-year 2015.

  • Looking now at our outlook on the next slide.

  • We have our guidance for the first quarter.

  • Year over year, based mainly on customer call-offs, our organic sales are expected to increase by 3%, mainly due to strong growth in Europe and active safety, as well as North America and China.

  • Sequentially, our organic sales are expected to decline by roughly 5%, mainly due to China, South Korea, and North America.

  • As a result, we expect to achieve an adjusted operating margin of around 8% in the first quarter.

  • Year-over-year benefit from organic sales, commodity cost, and currencies are more than offset by RD&E, net, primarily in electronics, and the ramp up for capacity for growth, including inflator replacement business and vertical integration.

  • Sequentially, the adjusted operating margin decrease is mainly due to lower organic sales and higher RD&E, net.

  • On the next slide, we have our full-year early indication.

  • Based on our current outlook, we anticipate another strong year of organic sales growth, and more than 6%, which is more than 2 times the global light vehicle production.

  • This strong growth is mainly due to Europe, North America, China, and includes active safety and inflator replacement business.

  • As a result of our continued execution, we estimate an adjusted operating margin of around 9.5% for the full-year 2015.

  • Year over year, the positive effects from organic sales, commodity cost, and currencies are partially offset by RD&E, net, and the ramp up of capacity for growth, including the inflator replacement business and vertical integration.

  • As you can see on the first-quarter guidance and the full-year indication, these full-year 2015 estimates imply the step up of organic sales growth and margin performance during the second half of this year.

  • On the next slide, we have summarized our outlook, which excludes costs for capacity alignments and antitrust matters, and assumes mid-January exchange rates prevail.

  • Based on these currency assumptions, consolidated sales in Q1 are expected to decline close to 5%, due to negative currency translation effect, which more than offsets the around 3% organic sales growth.

  • Our full-year 2015 indication for consolidated sales is to increase by less than 1%, due to negative currency translation effects, which mostly offsets the more than 6% sales growth.

  • Based on this sales assumption, we expect an adjusted operating margin of 8% for Q1 2015, and around 9.5% for full-year 2015 indication.

  • Other full-year planning assumptions include RD&E, net, in the range of 6% to 6.5% of sales, while commodities and currency transaction effects are expected to be tailwind of 30 bps and 50 bps, respectively.

  • Regarding currency effects, a stronger US dollar is unfavorable for translation.

  • However, transaction effect is presently favorable, based on our current positive currency mix.

  • Assuming mid-January exchange rates and the present current currency mix, the negative translation effect on EPS is expected to be offset by a positive transaction effect.

  • Excluding any discrete or non-recurring items, we expect an underlying tax rate of 31%; operating cash flow around $0.8 billion; and CapEx within the range of 5% to 6% of sales.

  • In conclusion, we are pleased with our execution in 2014, which provides a sound basis for continued strong organic sales growth, combined with margin improvement in 2015, despite making record investments in RD&E and CapEx for future growth.

  • Turning to the page -- turning the page, I will now turn it back to you, Thomas.

  • Thomas Jonsson - Group Vice President, Corporate Communications

  • Thank you very much, Mats, and Jan as well.

  • This concludes the formal comments for today's earnings call, and we would now like to open up the call for questions.

  • So, with that, I lead the word back to you, Darren.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • (Operator Instructions).

  • Itay Michaeli, Citi.

  • Itay Michaeli - Analyst

  • Congratulations.

  • Just two questions; one on margins, and the other on active safety.

  • Just given the guidance for 9.5% margins, with some of your end markets still being below peak just any thoughts on the updated long-term margin capability of the Company versus the prior 8% to 9% range?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • No, we are not elaborating on that right now.

  • We have, for quite a long time, showed a target of 8% to 9% over the cycles.

  • That would also indicate, indirectly, that in bad times we would go below 8%, and in good times we would go below -- above 9%, so no change to the long-term target.

  • Itay Michaeli - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • And then, just on active safety, just want to get a little bit more detail on the $1 billion outlook in 2019, maybe talk about the mix of vision versus radars.

  • Is one outperforming the other?

  • And a second question to that is are you launching any camera-only AEB applications over the next few years?

  • I saw the collision warning on one of your slides, but just curious if you're actually doing any AEB on a camera only, or are they just still mostly a fusion product at this point?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Well, if you look to the mix for the 2019, we haven't elaborated on that, at this stage.

  • We might come back and elaborate more on the future outlook at the Capital Market Day, in June.

  • We, as you know, have our majority of our sales coming from our radar products; we are currently ramping up the vision business.

  • When it comes to our own developed camera systems, stereo and mono vision, they will go into production in second half of this year.

  • As I said, that will be with our own algorithm developed.

  • That will be also launching with our new 77 gigahertz radar, and also our safety domain controller, which is also including controlling data for -- or data for vehicle control.

  • We haven't elaborated more on specifics on being camera-only type of equipment, as of right now.

  • Itay Michaeli - Analyst

  • Okay, great, that's very helpful.

  • Thanks very much, guys.

  • Operator

  • Joe Spak, RBC Capital Markets.

  • Joe Spak - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking the question.

  • First one is I was wondering if you could comment if you've seen any change in how the [OEs] are approaching price downs, given the increased focus on quality.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • We haven't seen any differences in regarding prices as of now, there is no changes to say.

  • And how this could develop into the future is just a speculative matter, so we stay out of that.

  • But so far, no change.

  • We have communicated a price down in general for us between 2% and 4%, and we are within the range also for the fourth quarter.

  • Joe Spak - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And that's also to be baked into your 2015 guidance?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • As we said, we don't guide on any price downs.

  • Historically, we have seen price downs for 2% to 4% for quite some years, and we saw that also for 2014.

  • Joe Spak - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then if I look at page 8, I know you have some charts on there on R&D, and you have the active safety component broken out and active safety sales.

  • If I go back to your slides from your last Capital Market's Day, I believe you had indicated that active safety R&D as a percent of active sales would trend down to the mid-teens by 2015.

  • Can you just comment on that?

  • Is that still the right trajectory?

  • Or is it maybe a little bit -- or is it actually higher, given some of the comments you made earlier in the call?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Well, I think based what you have seen us stepping up the R&D throughout 2014, that is higher than what we communicated in our Capital Market's Day in 2013.

  • We increased R&D in first quarter, second quarter, and also in the earnings call in July last year, and now we also communicated we will increase R&D, again, mainly related to active safety going forward.

  • So that is on a higher range than we thought in 2013.

  • We will elaborate more on the levels and the outlook again here at the CMD coming up in June.

  • Joe Spak - Analyst

  • Okay, we'll wait for that.

  • Thanks.

  • Operator

  • Erik Golrang, Nordea.

  • Erik Golrang - Analyst

  • I have three questions.

  • The first one is if you could say anything about the contribution from replacing bad inflators in that organic growth guidance for 2015, the 25 million units you talked about.

  • What's the contribution from that this year?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • We are ramping up the production in second half of the year.

  • And we have said that this will be 25 million units being produced, and a rough calculation would be one-third and two-thirds for 2015 and the rest for 2016.

  • Erik Golrang - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Then, the second question is on the raw material tailwind, if I heard it correctly, around $30 million in 2015.

  • How does that develop over the quarters?

  • Is it more back-end loaded, this tailwind for raw materials?

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • We are, as of today, seeing a tailwind this year of almost $5 million for the first quarter, and for the full year around $30 million.

  • We haven't set any guidance more towards how it's spread over quarter 2 to quarter 4.

  • Erik Golrang - Analyst

  • Any comment on what the major contributors are there within that $30, which specific material?

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • Mainly related to oil-based components, which is like covers, or yarn for fabrics, etc., mainly related to this.

  • Erik Golrang - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • And then the final question on the $1 billion 2019 sales target for active safety, what are the major assumptions you've done to reach that number?

  • What kind of penetration rates on products have you estimated?

  • And how good is your visibility for this period?

  • Trying to find out what the major uncertainties are in that number, both on the upside and downside.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • No, we have elaborated on the details on this one.

  • We are seeing the order book that we have and the business how it would develop.

  • And, as you said, it's still uncertain of the mix between the different type of components and how we'll be developing during the year.

  • So, unfortunately, at this time, I have no more details to give you.

  • Erik Golrang - Analyst

  • And the market share on the products that you currently supply, you assume that, that stays flat over the period, or change in any meaningful way?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • We said at the Detroit auto show that we believe we have a market share in the products where we are of 20-plus-%.

  • It's also very difficult from time to time to do a very good and accurate estimation as you have take rates that can vary from time to time.

  • So, therefore, we say that we have 20-plus-% in the market share.

  • Erik Golrang - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Matthew Stover, SIG.

  • Matthew Stover - Analyst

  • Just a follow on to the last questions related to the inflators for the Takata recall.

  • Are you going to be able to book an engineering recovery?

  • If so, did you book any this year, or should you be booking those next year as the business begins to ramp?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • What do you mean with engineering recovery?

  • What do you mean with engineering --?

  • Matthew Stover - Analyst

  • In terms of your agreement with the OEM to capitalize for this new capacity, which in and of itself might not necessarily be durable capacity.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Right.

  • We have said and indicated before that most of the CapExs and build ups would be paid by the customers.

  • But how this will be paid and the type of arrangements we have in the contract, we are not elaborating on.

  • But most of that is going to be, one way or the other, paid by the customers.

  • Matthew Stover - Analyst

  • Would you account for that on a piece-cost basis?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • As I said, we won't elaborate on the details of how this is going to happen, and also varies between customers, but most of it would be paid by the customers.

  • Matthew Stover - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Anders Trapp, SEB.

  • Anders Trapp - Analyst

  • I think you have touched upon what I was going to ask about, but I will ask it anyway.

  • Your target on active safety basically means 15% annual -- or CAGR for five years.

  • As far as I understand, IHS forecast for basically your type of products is a 17% annual growth rate up until 2020.

  • And you are saying that you are intending to become a leading integrator also within active safety.

  • You are launching some new exciting products this year with your own proprietary cameras, etc.

  • So I don't really get that.

  • It sounds to me that it should grow faster than the market and not actually slightly slower.

  • Or do you have different estimates of the market development the long term than IHS?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Well, I don't know.

  • As you know, I don't know what really the basis, at least I have not read it, maybe I could get a hands on it, what they mean with their market, and so forth.

  • If you look to the overall growth between 2012 and 2019, we are growing slightly below 25%, and we had a growth rate almost of 50% between 2012 and 2014.

  • As you know, and as we have said, it's difficult to, over such long period of time, show those levels, at least, we believe that has been difficult, and, therefore, over time it comes and goes, also with the programs.

  • We'll have to see how this is developing.

  • We have our best estimate today of having 20-plus-% market share, and how this will develop and the future outlook, we will elaborate a little bit more in the Capital Market Day.

  • Anders Trapp - Analyst

  • All right.

  • I think you've said also before, earlier, a year or so ago, that you expect that your active safety business will reach Group average margins, or possibly Group targeted margins, by 2015, or 2016 at the latest.

  • Is that still valid?

  • Or will we have to wait longer for that to happen since we are seeing the currency movements as they are, and also the increased investments?

  • I mean, 300 electrical engineers aren't cheap.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Well, you know we have our new reporting segment coming up from January 1, being divided into passive safety and electronics where we combine the active safety and our passive safety electronics and, therefore, we don't reiterate, as of now, any targets related to our margin for a certain Group area.

  • You know also that we are not reporting margins for airbags or seat belts as a product Group area inside passive safety and, therefore, there is no reiteration to this.

  • We look into the electronics business as a whole from here and onwards, and potentially we will also elaborate on that on the Capital Market Day coming up

  • Anders Trapp - Analyst

  • Okay, very good.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thomas Besson, Kepler Cheuvreux.

  • Thomas Besson - Analyst

  • A couple of questions as well for me, please.

  • Can I come back on the Q1 versus full-year guidance, please?

  • I'm a bit surprised you are guiding for a decline in profitability on a like-for-like basis for the quarter, which implies double-digit margins, or profitability for a number of quarters in H2 that you have not reached for a while.

  • Can you elaborate a bit more on the timeline of the gains on raw material, also ForEx, that you assumed?

  • What explains this big dichotomy between the quarters, please?

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • I think if you look into the first quarter, the main reason that we see lower first quarter you can see it from two perspectives, basically.

  • First of all, going from Q4 into Q1, you see lower sales, but you also see higher RD&E net.

  • And one factor for the higher RD&E, net, in Q1 compared to Q4 is less engineering.

  • As you know, we have more engineering income in the fourth quarter, typically, and you don't see that typically in Q1.

  • That's one way to see how Q1 sort of moves.

  • And the other area to think about is also that we also take quite lot of cost in our footprint now to prepare also for the second half of the year, because it is really in the second half of the year we also will have also inflatory replacement business to come in; and also, going along year, also vertical integration will also ramp up.

  • So there is lot towards the ramp-ups throughout the year.

  • Thomas Besson - Analyst

  • Okay, it's clear, thank you.

  • On the raw materials benefit that you expect to move up from 10 bps in Q4 to 30 bps in 2015, do you get any requests from auto makers to share that with them?

  • Or is that something which is non-indexed and you think it's not at risk?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Well, you know how it is for many of us in the industry, they don't want to pay when their raw material prices increases and, therefore, we have a good argument for not returning it back when the raw material prices decreases.

  • Having said all of that, it varies between region to region.

  • With some customers in some regions we have raw material clauses, but in many others we don't.

  • So there is no general answer to it, more than that.

  • Thomas Besson - Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • May I ask you to just elaborate a bit more on what allows you to assume a 50 bps tailwind from ForEx on the margin side?

  • I'm not sure I understood what you said about -- or I understand the translation effect, but what effectively makes it a positive driver for your margins in 2015?

  • And is it effectively 50 bps?

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • Yes, it's 50 bps relates to the transaction effect.

  • And as you -- we have around $2 billion net exposure coming out of our strategy to do natural hedging, and that net exposure consists of more than 40 different currency pairs.

  • And when we look into the mid-January exchange rates, and by that try to estimate the impact of that year-over-year with 2014 to 2015, then we see that, given that mix, we will have a benefit of 50 bps out of the transactions.

  • Thomas Besson - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Brett Hoselton, KeyBanc Capital Markets.

  • Brett Hoselton - Analyst

  • The inflator issue, so you currently have agreements of up to 25 million inflators, but you're in discussions with others.

  • What could conceptually be the potential upside relative to your current agreements for up to 25 million inflators?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • That remains to be seen.

  • This is agreements we have is regarding replacement business, and remains to be seen what use customers will take, could take out of the capacity that is built up.

  • As we have said, we have a technology that is different, that we believe is less sensitive to moisture, less sensitive to temperature, etc., and we have a robust technology there.

  • And for that sake, to what extent customers will use that and go forward with it, it remains to be seen.

  • We have taken the approach that we will serve and help our customers and the industry to the highest extent we can, at this point.

  • Brett Hoselton - Analyst

  • Yes, I guess what I'm asking is -- I'm not asking for you to speculate on what you think that you're going to capture.

  • I guess what I'm asking is, what do you think the market potential is?

  • In other words, as you evaluate the inflators that are potentially impacted by this and conceptually think about what could be recalled, and so forth, could this be a 40 million unit opportunity at some point in time, or a 50 million opportunity at some point?

  • These are some of the numbers that I've seen speculated.

  • But is that in the ball park at all?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • I think you just said it; it's speculations.

  • And I think at this point we need to execute on the commitments we have, stay tuned, put quality first in front of everything.

  • And I won't speculate in what this could potentially happen and means to it for the industry; that remains to be seen.

  • Brett Hoselton - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then from an active safety, as you think about the additional $0.5 billion, if the majority of what you currently have is radar, should we just assume that the majority of what you're adding, the $0.5 billion, is that simply radar and night vision?

  • Or do you think a material portion of that could actually be camera?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • You mean for the additional business up to $1 billion that we have said?

  • Brett Hoselton - Analyst

  • Yes, correct.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • We are staying out of that speculation.

  • We believe that we have good products coming up here with launch of our sophisticated stereo and mono vision technologies, with our own development, and we believe that we have a very competitive and very high performing product there that could do well.

  • But to what extent it will take shares, or so, we will have to remain to see.

  • So I stay out of that.

  • But we believe this is a very good product coming out.

  • Brett Hoselton - Analyst

  • And then as we think about your leverage target relative to your capital deployment strategy, you stated that you're going to reach that 0.5 leverage sometime in the first half of 2015.

  • I think in the past you've talked about half a turn to 1 1/2 turns as being a rough range.

  • As you reach the lower end of that range, what is your expectation of your deployment of that incremental cash flow that you generate?

  • Do you anticipate treading water, or maintaining a half-a-turn leverage ratio?

  • Or do you continue to see yourself moving up into that, let's say, 1 times net leverage ratio?

  • What are your expectations there?

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • I think longer-longer term, of course, we are heading for 1. But I think we will have to come back more about this on the Capital Market Day.

  • Brett Hoselton - Analyst

  • Okay, that's fine.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • As you know, we are executing on our strategy.

  • We have said, for quite some time, that we are looking for acquisitions.

  • We would like to take advantage of opportunities that may arise.

  • We also have, as you know, some other uncertainties out there that, at some point in time, will come to some resolution.

  • So we will elaborate, as Mats said, on that later on.

  • I think it is important that we have committed ourselves to come within the range that we do that here now, we should do it within the first half.

  • Brett Hoselton - Analyst

  • I agree.

  • Thank you very much, Jan, Mats.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Thank you, Brett.

  • Thanks for your questions.

  • Operator

  • Hampus Engellau, Handelsbanken.

  • Hampus Engellau - Analyst

  • First, congratulations on very good results.

  • I have three questions, if I may.

  • Firstly, starting off with the extended capacity alignment program of $60 million for this year, is this going to be -- if you know is this going to be equally spread over the year?

  • And also, what are we doing -- talking about?

  • Is it fixed capacity in headcounts?

  • That's my first question.

  • Second question is on the new products that you're going to launch this year.

  • When I listened to you, Jan, you were talking about also having fusion systems, and also being able to function during dark hours, etc.

  • I'm curious to know if you're also looking at integrating the night vision system in [AEB] solution, together with a stereo vision system and the radar.

  • Last question is on China.

  • I would be interested to hear what you guys are hearing from the local OEMs regarding new car assessment program.

  • How are they -- what are their ambitions in terms of star ratings, etc.?

  • Thanks.

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • Okay, to talk first about capacity alignment, the main category for cost is severance related.

  • Though it is a little bit difficult to talk about the timing of those costs because they will, of course, depend on how we can agree upon with unions and our people.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Okay, on the second part, we have not the night vision integrated in this.

  • We shouldn't rule out that, that could come at some other programs.

  • As you have seen, we have launched a sophisticated night vision system in the S Class; we have it combining near infrared and far infrared.

  • But at this point, it's not including the night vision for the fusion controller.

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • And on the China NCAP, we do see a sharpening or a more stringent NCAP now in 2015 and 2016 in China, and I think the Chinese OEMs, as well as the international OEMs, are preparing for that.

  • So that's, clearly, what we hear in the discussions now, to a different extent, depending on which OEM you're talking to, of course.

  • Hampus Engellau - Analyst

  • All right.

  • And maybe just a follow-up question on the capacity alignment program.

  • Have you said -- is it -- I guess it's still Europe, but have you said regionally in Europe which country we're talking about?

  • It's still Germany?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • We haven't said really where it is, and that we will have to come back later on.

  • Hampus Engellau - Analyst

  • All right.

  • Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Kenneth Toll, Carnegie.

  • Kenneth Toll - Analyst

  • Just a question going back to the inflator business again, we have talked a lot about the spare part business, but have you noticed anything in the ongoing discussions with business for new orders.

  • I mean the kind of orders you take now and start delivering in two or three years, have you noticed any change there in pricing behavior?

  • Or is it easier to get larger contracts, or any moves in market shares there?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • At this point, as we alluded to a little bit earlier, we haven't seen any major changes.

  • Of course, as this is such an industry-wide thing, it's discussed in orders, it's discussed in relation to customers, and customers ask us, as they know who we are and what technology we have.

  • And so it's always a topic.

  • But it hasn't really affected pricing, or any sourcing behaviors, that something we should mention here.

  • Will it do it in the future?

  • I think that is too early to say.

  • We will have to see.

  • I think now, for the time being, many OEMs are focusing on the replacement part, as that is critical.

  • And they are looking to their own situation and evaluating this and to what extent they need replacement business or not; that is taking precedence.

  • And the later part may come some time in the future now.

  • Kenneth Toll - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And it hasn't affected their behavior in buying complete systems, rather than cherry pick component by component either?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • As I said, to what extent this will lead to different behavior, I think it's too early to say.

  • You can imagine, if we have commitments now to some customers here of already $25 million, we are discussing with millions more, that those customers are very focused in to get the capacity up and running and to have secured production volumes in this situation.

  • So that is occupying customers.

  • When this is coming into a different stage, whether that will lead to something different, we will see.

  • We think that our position and our way of dealing with this, the best we can do is to serve our customers with high quality products.

  • Kenneth Toll - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Fei Teng, Credit Suisse.

  • Fei Teng - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my question.

  • I just want to come back to currency.

  • Could you give us a breakdown of what are the main driving currencies for that 60 basis points impact on EBIT in Q4, and whether this will remain the case going forward?

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • Right, if you take the 60 points impact for the fourth quarter, it's basically the blend of the margin impact coming out of transaction and the translation.

  • So we estimate that the transaction part is around 40 bps, and the translation part is around 20 bps.

  • Fei Teng - Analyst

  • Can you give an indication of what are the main currencies driving that change?

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • Yes, you can say that if you take the translation part, when we are consolidating our financial statements, around 75% of that is non-dollars.

  • And if you look into the non-dollars part, the main currencies we are talking about is China renminbi; it's euro; it's Japanese yen; Korean won; and Mexican pesos.

  • Those are the main ones on the translation part.

  • And then you have the transaction part.

  • As you know, as I said, we have a net exposure from our natural hedging strategy of around $2 billion.

  • The main [part] there is dollar; Mexican pesos; [euro SEK]; and [euro] renminbi.

  • Fei Teng - Analyst

  • Thanks very much.

  • And just another question on content growth in China.

  • I think, in the past, safety content growth in China has been somewhat disappointing.

  • Can you tell us if this has changed in the last year, and whether you expect the NCAP provisions to actually make a difference in 2015, as opposed to what's happened in the past?

  • Thank you.

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • Okay, so on the content per vehicle, I think you've seen us say from 2013 to 2014 that we think it went from $210 to $220.

  • And we -- but over a three-, four-year period we talked about a slower trajectory than that, and I don't think we see any major changes to that.

  • It is a slow development, but slowly moving upwards.

  • Sorry, there was a second part to the question as well.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • I think worth to add to this is also the different mix in China.

  • You have everything from very well equipped cars with a very high content, and then you have the inflow and the increase of medium or even low specified vehicles.

  • When you do the average you take the safety market divided by the total market, and that is giving a lower average because of the inflow of low specified cars.

  • So here it is more, I would say, important to look to the safety market growth and the content growth overall than just the average per vehicle.

  • In Europe, or in North America, where it's either legislated or very highly related to the star rating, the average acceptance of safety is a need.

  • You need to have a certain level.

  • That isn't yet seen in China all over; that's why we see also this average per vehicle level being low.

  • Fei Teng - Analyst

  • And you don't see this changing, going forward?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Well, we do, actually.

  • And Thomas may elaborate to that, too.

  • We are seeing new initiatives for China NCAP being launched in the very near future where they are going to tighten their level for achieving star ratings.

  • That is just actually, we believe, going to happen in the very near future.

  • And that's going to be a, we believe, positive impact to this.

  • But we have also to remember that the view of this on the market all over China, which is more a part of the world rather than a country, is also very different from urban areas to rural areas, etc., so it will probably take some time before we see a movement overall.

  • Fei Teng - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you very much.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions).

  • Sheila Weekes, Bank of America.

  • Sheila Weekes - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my questions.

  • Just to return to the capacity alignment program and the higher spending level that you have again in 2015, when should we expect these costs to begin to [follow] off?

  • And how should we think about the savings generated from that program and when those will start to follow through?

  • Also, could you comment on how the progress is going in both Europe and Brazil?

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • To start off with the savings, we are calculating the payback as, as from the time of the cash out.

  • And from the cash out, we believe that the average time for payback is around three years.

  • When it comes to the next question on capacity alignment, how will it develop later on, well, we believe that it will come down to a more normal level in the years thereafter.

  • But how the normal will be, like I don't know if it [sits] somewhere around maybe $20 million to $30 million per year.

  • But that will, of course, depend on what we see.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • We will elaborate more on this on the Capital Market Day here in June, and what we think could be the longer term view of -- in the capacity alignment.

  • When you asked about the progress in Europe and Brazil, I assume you refer to what we said a year ago about our steering wheel issues in Europe, and also our issues in Brazil.

  • The steering wheel is progressing according to plan.

  • I think we are doing there the activities that we have assumed to do, so that is on the plan.

  • The Brazil is really not on the plan that we thought we would do back in January 2013.

  • One contributor to that fact is the steep decline in light vehicle production.

  • The issues we had there was more related to supply chain and localization, and it has been a tougher journey when production volumes have been decreasing rather than increasing to find the right supply base to raw materials.

  • So that is probably one thing that hasn't gone our way during 2014, Brazil.

  • Sheila Weekes - Analyst

  • Thanks.

  • And just on the organic sales growth forecast that you have for the coming year, what sort of assumptions do you have for China?

  • And what's your outlook there, in particular?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • We base our guidance for the first quarter, and we base our guidance in the different regions, on the customer call-offs and what we have in our production systems.

  • For the longer term, we generally don't have a good visibility or better visibility than what is out there and, therefore, we trust the IHS figures for the indication for the full year.

  • But in China, as well as elsewhere, we look to our call-offs for the short term.

  • Sheila Weekes - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Richard Hilgert, Morningstar.

  • Richard Hilgert - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my questions.

  • On your objectives to reach your revenue levels on the active safety program, what are some of the various things that have to happen in the various regions around the world for this to occur?

  • Are you anticipating that you're going to see various safety features that become part of government star-rating programs?

  • Are you expecting vehicle-to-vehicle, vehicle-to-infrastructure-type technologies to be implemented?

  • I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about that with respect to the active safety.

  • And then the second question is regarding the drop off in revenues in Japan.

  • I apologize if this was asked earlier, but I had to step away from my desk for a few minutes.

  • Is the drop off there in the fourth quarter related to just the market conditions in Japan being down so much, or was there a particular program lost in that region?

  • Can you talk a little bit about the revenues there and what we can expect, going forward?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • If we start with the active safety and the electronics target, we base, actually, our assumptions mainly related to Euro NCAP and to meet the requirements and to the development we see from rating agencies and from potential upcoming legislations.

  • Of course, we do also our own type of estimates coming from that.

  • But generally speaking, we follow what is happening in the market and then we look to that as a basis for it.

  • You recall, we came out with a $0.5 billion target in 2011, and for achieving $0.5 billion in 2015, and we did it one year.

  • So it is difficult to estimate, and this time we were good and we will see how it develops.

  • But that is the basis for it.

  • I don't know, Thomas, if you have anything else there you want to elaborate on?

  • Thomas Jonsson - Group Vice President, Corporate Communications

  • No, just on the active safety, as Jan said, Euro NCAP is a strong driver, and for 2016 we will see AEB being introduced generally and then the sharpening of that in 2018.

  • And also, from 2016 there will be a dual rating where passive and active will Be separately rated.

  • And I think those three things will be key drivers within the Euro NCAP area in the period 2016 to 2018.

  • Richard Hilgert - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Related to your question around Japan, it's mainly related to currency, it's a currency effect in Japan.

  • In fact, if you look to the light vehicle production in Japan, we outperformed light vehicle production for the fourth quarter; and we did that due to new launches and new supplies to several of the Japanese OEMs during the quarter.

  • So we had a better than light vehicle production, an outperformance in Japan, but currency were a headwind.

  • Richard Hilgert - Analyst

  • Okay, very good.

  • And one follow on, if I could, please, on the active safety front.

  • We hear from different manufacturers about different technologies that are going to need to provide this cocoon of safety around the vehicle where you've got various types of different sensors, various types of different systems that detect what's going on in the vehicle, in the environment.

  • What are you hearing from your customers as far as is there one particular technology that they -- being that they all want to keep costs to a minimum, but of course meet safety standards at the same time, is there one particular system that in terms of sensors that they want to go with?

  • Or are they still looking for a variety of different types of sensors that the vehicle can use as inputs for the active safety controls?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Well, you can answer this question in a very long form, or a short form.

  • I think the short form for it is that they always want a competition.

  • I think also that some competitors or some suppliers may be earlier out with a lot of testing data, but testing data is just a matter of timing difference.

  • Everybody will sooner or later get up to the same level when it comes to testing data, and thereby having a as validated product as anybody else.

  • I think long term what is important, which we see in all of these aspects when it comes to safety, is that you have a high performing product; you have to have the right reliability for the purpose.

  • And if you are aiming for driving safety into autonomous drive, you have a real-life situation, which sometimes is different than the testing requirements in Euro NCAP or in NHTSA.

  • That is a very difficult and delicate task to simulate real life, every possible location in a test environment.

  • Therefore, you need to have a very, very robust sensor suite if you're aiming for the long term, which is to go for autonomous drive.

  • I think that is our view.

  • That is why we are launching now stereo vision; mono vision; sophisticated algorithms; integrated safety domain controllers together with long range radars.

  • This gives us a very high performing sensor suite for the future.

  • Richard Hilgert - Analyst

  • Okay, very good, thanks.

  • Thanks for taking my questions, again.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • [Brian Johnson], Barclays.

  • Steven Hempel - Analyst

  • This is actually Steven Hempel on for Brian Johnson.

  • I actually had a follow-up question on actually Richard's question around OEMs' thinking around active safety, especially around the spending on that front.

  • Obviously, they want to look to achieve four or five-star ratings for competitive reasons.

  • But I guess as it relates to OEMs' budgets around active safety versus passive safety, are those two functions within these OEMs largely more (inaudible), whether they're looking to spend on passive safety as well as active safety?

  • Or is it potentially a situation where they're looking to achieve these four, five stars thereby through active safety spending and potentially have to basically, under one budget, cut in other areas, potentially in passive safety?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • I think it's very much related to the ratings systems, and their legal system, and their legislations.

  • Even if it would be one budget and you're legislated for frontal airbags, or side airbags, or seatbelts, or whatnot, you can't be without it.

  • So the system, and the ratings systems, and the legislations stipulates that you need a certain level of equipment in the cars in some countries.

  • And in the most of the countries, to achieve the star rating you need a certain type of occupant protection, not only accident prevention, as it looks today.

  • I think for the future, if you look to the future it will take a very, very long time before you see any type of substantial cannibalization of passive safety for active safety.

  • Could that eventually happen?

  • Yes.

  • I don't even want to speculate on that.

  • But, of course, if the car is driving by itself and avoiding each and every accident, at some point in time you may have a different situation, but I don't see that situation as of now.

  • I cannot see it right now coming up.

  • Steven Hempel - Analyst

  • But in terms of your specific negotiations with OEMs in offering various active safety solutions, do you provide those solutions while potentially trying to gain business on the active safety front, while potentially offering price concessions on the passive safety given constrained budgets for the OEMs?

  • Or are you saying, basically, its fairly constrained and they basically have to pay out for both passive safety and active safety for legislation/regulatory and NCAP reasons?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • I think its will known that the customers try to use every tool they have at hand to negotiate and leverage businesses, and leverage volumes.

  • I think it's also very obvious that suppliers try to do the same; take advantage of what we have in terms of technology.

  • I think the best we can offer is a robust product, a high technology, high performing product and having unique selling points for customers to come up with.

  • Therefore, innovation and R&D spend is so essential in this business, that you have something new to offer when you go to the customer.

  • That is what we try also with our increase in R&D investments, and being leading supplier.

  • Steven Hempel - Analyst

  • Great, thanks for taking my questions.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • David Leiker, Baird.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • This is Adam on the line for David.

  • Can you guys quantify the amount of headwind you saw from vehicle mix in China, and kind of how you see this playing out over 2015?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • We haven't given any quantify of it.

  • I think if you want to have some kind of quantification of it, or relation, you should look to the reported LVP numbers and look to our organic sales.

  • Have in mind, though, that we are not guiding based on the IHS numbers, we guide for the quarter based on our call-offs.

  • But it is an underperformance related to the light vehicle production in China for the quarter.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Okay.

  • And then kind of switching gears, what was the amount of engineering income you saw in the quarter?

  • And then, how does that compare to last year?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • For the Group, it was ball park the same as last year in engineering income.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Okay, thanks, that's helpful.

  • And then lastly, it seems like South America demand is starting to improve.

  • Can you talk about more what you're seeing in this market?

  • I know you have kind of flat expectation for production, but just talk about more of what you're seeing?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • We don't see any more than really what you see in South America.

  • There is -- I wouldn't see any at least strong signs for a definite recovery of this market; it's more a muddling along for the time being, and we try to cope with the situation.

  • We have talked about this for quite some time.

  • We're working this due diligently, but for now we don't see any recovery signs as for 2015.

  • We don't expect, as of today, any steep declines either, but we will have to see how that develops.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • All right, thanks, guys.

  • Operator

  • Rod Lache, Deutsche Bank.

  • Karel Babika - Analyst

  • This is [Karel Babika] for Rod Lache.

  • Could you just talk a little bit about the currency sensitivity?

  • You have euros assumed at 1.18, and it's at 1.13 today.

  • Just wondering what the sensitivity is like?

  • And do you have any [assets] to a weakening euro?

  • Mats Wallin - CFO

  • Yes, if we look today, euro is part of -- if we talk about transactions, first of all, I guess that may be your question.

  • And looking into the transaction exposure today, we have more than 40 different currency pairs, and euro is sort of only part of the exposure.

  • We have many other big exposures today in our basket.

  • So it's sort of, I wouldn't say -- it's difficult to say -- to give you a sort of a leading point here, because even if I say something about the size of the euro, we might have other currency pairs going in the other direction.

  • So I think it's complicated to say today how things will fall out in the basket today, because we also have, for example, Mexican pesos versus dollar being a big part of our basket.

  • Karel Babika - Analyst

  • Okay, got it.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions).

  • Anders Trapp, SEB.

  • Anders Trapp - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking a follow-up question.

  • I have three questions, actually.

  • Or at least first, how do you intend to reach the leverage target that you have already in the first half year?

  • That's one.

  • Secondly, also maybe more important, I wonder about the visibility in the active safety sales that you see ahead of you.

  • I know that on passive side you could fairly say what you expect to sell, at least on a given model, for the coming few years.

  • But on active safety, I'm not sure if the development time is about the same.

  • If so, how sure are you about your sales, three, four, and five years from now?

  • I'm trying to gauge the level of uncertainty in the target that you have for active safety by 2019.

  • And final also, when you launch your own proprietary camera systems and algorithms, how does that work when you sell that to your customers?

  • Do you say, okay, let's just replace the old camera system which you have sourced from someone else, or do you -- is it a completely different selling process?

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Okay, if we take the leverage ratio to start with, we -- you know our normal tools for returning money to shareholders and for a formal share purchase and dividend.

  • And we have done that over many, many years, so that has been the tools that we have used.

  • Of course, to reach a higher leverage could also be finding a good acquisition and execute on that one, which is in our strategy.

  • Or a third one would be, of course, also to, if that would happen, deal with the antitrust matters that we're having.

  • So there are several ways of leading to a higher leverage.

  • If you look to the visibility of active safety, there is a component here which is take rates that is different from passive safety, and that the increase is the difficulty of it.

  • It increases the difficulty of estimating the right target, and estimating the right speed of reaching the targets, which you also saw here, from our previous target of $0.5 billion, that now ended up in positive area.

  • We are, following back to the previous question there, Euro NCAPs, the NHTSA, the star rating in general, but also legislations coming out, and do our own estimate of how fast this can be.

  • And this is the basis to leading up to the $2 billion for electronics, overall.

  • But I agree with you that the visibility, due to this non-mandatory situation, is more difficult in the active safety area.

  • I'm not necessarily -- it's difficult leading to more negative, it could also faster than assumptions made.

  • On the third part, the camera, it is the launch of our own product, which means that it replaces -- it goes into models and it replaces the current cameras, or current equipment, or it just is a new feature in the vehicle.

  • So it isn't so that we take anything and modify it, or improve it, or so; this is just a new equipment coming from us.

  • Whether it's replacing or whether it's a new feature in the vehicle remains to be seen, we will see that when it launches.

  • So it has nothing to do with the previous products.

  • Anders Trapp - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Operator

  • There are no further questions in the phone queue at this time, so I will hand the call back to Mr. Jan Carlson for any additional or closing remarks.

  • Jan Carlson - Chairman, President and CEO

  • Thank you, Darren.

  • I'd like to thank everyone for very interesting questions, and their continued interest in Autoliv.

  • We look forward to speaking with you again during our first quarter 2015 earnings call on Wednesday, April 22, 2015.

  • And, of course, as well, we look forward to seeing as many of you as possible in our Capital Market Day on June 2, and 3, 2015.

  • In the meantime, I wish you a very good time.

  • And goodbye for now.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • That will conclude today's conference call.

  • Thank you for your participation, ladies and gentlemen.

  • You may now disconnect.