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Operator
Good morning and welcome to the AECOM second-quarter 2016 earnings conference call.
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(Operator Instructions)
I would now like to turn the call over to Will Gabrielski, Vice President, Investor Relations.
Will Gabrielski - VP of IR
Thank you, operator.
Before reviewing our results I would like to direct you to the Safe Harbor statement on page 2 of today's presentation.
Today's discussion contains forward-looking statements about growth and profitability as well as risks and uncertainties.
Actual results may differ significantly from those projected in today's forward-looking statements.
Please refer to our press release, page 2 of our earnings presentation and our reports filed with the SEC for more information on our risk factors.
Except as required by law we take no obligation to update our forward-looking statements.
We are using certain non-GAAP financial measures in our presentation.
The appropriate GAAP financial reconciliations are incorporated into our press release which is posted on our website.
Please also note that all percentages refer to year-over-year progress except where otherwise noted.
Our discussion of financial results excludes the impact of acquisition and integration related expenses, financing charges, the amortization of intangible assets and financial impacts associated with expected and actual dispositions of non-core businesses and assets unless otherwise noted.
Today's discussion of organic growth represents the year-on-year change for the entire Company on a constant currency basis.
Please turn to slide 3.
Beginning today's presentation is Mike Burke, AECOM's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.
Mike?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
Thank you, Will.
Welcome everyone.
Joining me today is Steve Kadenacy, our President, and Troy Rudd, our Chief Financial Officer.
I will begin with an overview of AECOM's results and discuss the trends across our diverse business.
Then Troy will review our financial performance in greater detail.
Steve will conclude with financial guidance before turning the call over for a question-and-answer session.
Before we start I'd like to offer our heartfelt sympathies to our clients, the community and over 2,000 employees affected by the fires in Fort McMurray, Canada and surrounding areas.
We're happy to report that all of our employees in the region were safely evacuated and are ready to start the rebuilding effort when it is safe to do so.
Please turn to slide 4. Our second-quarter performance included several significant accomplishments.
The Americas design business returned to positive organic growth which is a significant turning point for our largest profit driver and reflects growing momentum across our end markets.
In building construction we delivered 25% organic growth and we won projects worth $1.2 (sic - see press release, "$1.1") billion which adds to our already strong visibility.
We also delivered strong free cash flow and paid down $76 million of term debt.
We have reduced our debt by $854 million since we closed the URS acquisition.
And with our strong cash generation in the first half of the year we are firmly on track with our annual $600 million to $800 million free cash flow guidance.
As we look across our markets, several positive trends are becoming apparent.
First, public-sector funding in our Americas design markets is improving.
Our backlog increased by 8% in the second quarter and with the anticipated benefits from the Federal Transportation Bill and growing spending in Canada, we are confident growth will continue to improve.
Second, in Management Services our qualified pipeline is now nearly $40 billion and positions us to gain market share, expand our client base and capitalize on the growing demand in the commercial sector.
Finally, trends in our power & civil construction markets are turning the corner.
In the second quarter we were selected for a large design build highway project and just in the past two weeks we were selected for power projects valued at over $1 billion that will be included in our third-quarter backlog.
Please turn to slide 5 for a discussion of the segments.
Beginning with DCS, we began the year with confidence that the Americas design business was on a path to deliver growth.
In the second quarter we delivered on this commitment with improvements in nearly all of our end markets becoming more evident.
In transportation, which is our largest end market, our backlog has increased by nearly 10% since the beginning of the fiscal year and the outlook in both the US and Canada is increasingly strong.
Domestically, the five-year $305 billion FAST Act has resulted in a growing pipeline of pursuits, especially for larger programs that leverage our full capabilities.
In addition, more than 25 states and metros have enacted new infrastructure funding measures over the past three years and we are tracking several infrastructure ballot measures that will be voted on this fall including large proposals in Denver, Los Angeles and Seattle.
In Canada, Prime Minister Trudeau's commitment to increase infrastructure investment is contributing to new momentum as evidenced by the recently passed budget that included strong support for transportation investment.
Trends are also improving in the water and environment markets.
We have been selected for several large design build water projects over the past few months demonstrating our ability to provide integrated services for our clients.
In our environment business activity is accelerating which is contributing to an improved growth outlook.
Across our markets in the Americas we are also encouraged by an increasing pipeline of projects utilizing alternative delivery models.
For example, the overhaul of Penn Station in New York and the planned $5 billion modernization of LAX will be executed as P3s.
Client recognition of the benefits of alternative delivery is a significant step towards realizing our vision to design, build, finance and operate infrastructure assets.
Now let's turn to our international design markets.
Beginning in EMEA we had strong wins across the region.
While the Middle East is experiencing a slowdown we delivered profitability in line with our expectations.
Importantly, though, our largest market in EMEA, the UK, continued to perform well with revenue increasing by 5%.
We are positioned to benefit from growth related to the Northern Powerhouse initiative which requires substantial investments in transportation infrastructure.
And significant opportunities are emerging in the nuclear power sector where our expertise and client relationships position us to benefit.
Moving to our Asia-Pacific markets, activity in Hong Kong remains consistent with our expectations.
Our history of delivering large iconic, projects for our clients contributes to a high win rate.
And we are pursuing large opportunities in the aviation and healthcare sectors which we anticipate will add to our visibility as the year progresses.
Despite the recent economic volatility in Southeast Asia we are very optimistic about the long-term growth potential resulting from rapid urbanization and substantial multilateral funding in the region.
The transportation market in particular holds significant potential due to the emphasis on greater regional connectivity with several light rail and high-speed rail projects continuing to progress forward.
Let's turn to our Construction Services segment.
We had another strong quarter in building construction with 25% organic revenue growth reflecting our high market share in the New York Metro market and our successful expansion into new markets including Los Angeles and London.
While we have continued to deliver strong growth in the New York area, nearly half of this year's building construction profits are expected to come from outside of New York.
This compares to only 10% in 2013 and is a testament to our ability to expand strong businesses into new markets and geographies.
Let's move to our energy and industrial construction business.
Last quarter I spoke about a growing pipeline of pursuits which included several large power opportunities.
I'm pleased to report that we have been selected for more than $1 billion of power work over the past two weeks that will be included in our third-quarter backlog and that our pipeline remains robust.
In Management Services we delivered strong results led by our leading capabilities in the markets with high barriers to entry and our diverse portfolio of projects.
The passage of the $1.2 trillion omnibus spending bill last December has resulted in an increase in bidding activity.
We currently have $12 billion of bids under client evaluation which is an increase of $7 billion from last quarter and our qualified pipeline of pursuits is nearly $40 billion compared to $35 billion last quarter.
Importantly, our pipeline reflects our leading position in existing markets as well as our ability to extend our capabilities into new markets.
For instance, in the intelligence market we are pursuing a $4 billion pipeline and we have nearly $5 billion of international pursuits, many of which are in the Middle East where events such as the World Cup requires significant security investments.
These factors give us tremendous confidence in the outlook for the business.
Finally, I wanted to highlight AECOM Capital which is the financing arm of our fully integrated design build finance and operate strategy.
We launched AECOM Capital in 2013 to meet the growing demand for alternative infrastructure financing in the US and to provide our clients with a project delivery solution that can improve time-to-market and lower cost.
To date we have committed nearly all of the $200 million from our first fund.
This investment has resulted in over $3.5 billion of total development value including nearly $1.5 billion of construction backlog executed by our Construction Services segment.
Our initial investments are centered on commercial, residential and mixed-use properties in major US Metros led by New York and Los Angeles.
We also recently made an investment in the Muskingum River hydroelectric project which is our first private-to-private infrastructure investment.
Many of our investments are maturing and as we go forward, earnings and cash flow from our portfolio of projects will be a more significant contributor to our financial results.
We are also pursuing several options to expand our capacity which we hope to report on in the coming quarters.
I will now turn the call over to Troy to provide greater detail on our financial results.
Troy Rudd - EVP & CFO
Thanks, Mike.
Please turn to slide 6.
Our second-quarter results were consistent with our expectations with the exception of our oil and gas business where market conditions remain challenging.
For the quarter revenue declined 1%.
Excluding the decline in the oil and gas business, our revenue was up 3%.
80% of our revenue base grew during the quarter highlighted by growth in the Americas design and building construction businesses.
These results demonstrate the improving fundamentals in our markets and our ability to capture a growing market share of the opportunity in front of us.
Another highlight of our strong performance is that our operating margin increased from 4.7% to 6.1%.
Please turn to slide 7. We ended the quarter with nearly $39 billion of backlog.
Additionally, we had $1.1 billion of wins in the Construction Services segment that are not included in our backlog due to the accounting for agency work and unconsolidated joint ventures.
Even though we don't report these wins in backlog we will benefit from the profitability of this work.
As a reminder, our backlog does not yet reflect the greater than $1 billion of power wins that Mike highlighted earlier.
Please turn to slide 8. DCS revenue was $2 billion.
Organic revenue declined by 0.6% with growth in the Americas in the UK offset by a decline in Asia-Pacific and the Middle East.
Our contracted backlog in the Americas increased 2% from the last quarter and we are confident that we will deliver continued growth in the second half of the year.
The second-quarter operating margin was 7.1%, a 180 basis point improvement from the prior year.
This improvement is primarily from our synergy savings and strong project performance.
Please turn to slide 9. Revenue in our Construction Services segment declined by 1%.
However, growth rates were quite varied across our end markets.
In building construction we delivered 25% growth but this was offset by a 51% decline in oil and gas where the pace of activity continues to be impacted by low prices.
Absent the weakness in oil and gas, the operating margin was solid and reflects steady execution across the business.
In the second half of the year, the diversity and strength of our building instruction backlog will continue to drive revenue growth.
We also expect growth in the energy and industrial construction business.
However, we expect oil and gas revenue will decline in the second half of the year, albeit at a slower rate than in the first half.
Please turn to slide 10.
In Management Services revenue increased by 5% which includes a significant positive impact from the acceleration of a cost recovery on federal contract pension entitlement that had resulted from harmonizing our benefits programs.
The operating margin increased 320 basis points to 15.9% which again reflects the impact of the accelerated cost recovery.
I should note that in addition to the P&L impact of the accelerated cost recovery, we also anticipate being able to accelerate the associated cash flow into 2017.
Please turn to slide 12.
Our second-quarter cash flow and capital allocation priorities were consistent with the commitments we made at the time of the URS acquisition.
We delivered free cash flow of $83 million.
This is a significant increase from the prior year.
Our first-half free cash flow accounted for 23% of our full-year $600 million to $800 million target.
This phasing is consistent with our prior years and gives us confidence that we will achieve our guidance.
We continue to deploy cash flow to reduce our debt.
We paid down $76 million of our term debt during the quarter.
Going forward our capital allocation priorities remain unchanged.
We continue to evaluate the returns associated with debt reduction, share repurchases and M&A.
In the near term we will continue to prioritize debt reduction but we always consider all options, keeping shareholder value creation as our top priority.
I will now turn the call to Steve to discuss our financial guidance.
Steve Kadenacy - President
Thanks, Troy.
Please turn to slide 13.
We are pleased with the progress of our business, particularly the swing to organic growth in the Americas DCS business with strong margin improvement in overall DCS and in MS and the enhanced pipeline of opportunities across our diverse end markets.
These positives are enough to offset the weakness in oil and gas and the short-term negative impact of the Fort McMurray fires.
As a result, we are reiterating our fiscal 2016 guidance of $3 to $3.40.
Our confidence in the range remains high and is supported by the underlying improvements across our end markets.
We anticipate our third-quarter EPS will be similar to the first quarter due mostly to the ongoing weakness in the oil and gas market and our anticipated AECOM Capital realization in the fourth quarter.
Finally, we are progressing well and capturing synergies and on track to achieve $325 million in run rate synergies during 2017 and to exit 2016 at a run rate of $275 million.
Now I will turn the call over to Q&A.
Operator, we are now ready for questions.
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Andrew Kaplowitz, Citigroup.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Analyst
Hey, good morning guys.
Steve, can you give us a little more color on this oil and gas weakness?
When we're thinking about your guidance, I'm not sure if you had this sort of $0.14 benefit in your guidance.
You've lowered your tax rate a few pennies.
Presumably you're still -- we know you're getting gains you said in the fourth quarter on AECOM Capital, so if you can give us a little more color on sort of what the oil and gas impact is, that would be helpful.
Steve Kadenacy - President
Thanks, Andy.
Oil and gas is definitely a headwind.
We were predicting that it would be off about 30% for the year.
Through the first half we're down about 50% on the top side.
So we're just fighting a very difficult market but I think we're holding our own.
We haven't cut to the bone and we think that once the prices rebound a bit we're well-positioned both in Canada and the heavy oil sands and the US to recover.
And we're actually making some investments in that arena and quite frankly our downturn has not been quite as bad as some of our competitors that we're seeing.
So I think that it's still something that we view as upside that's just a challenge in the future.
And we're fortunate enough to have been managing the rest of the business to offset what we view -- what we know is going to be a hole for us for the full year relative to our original guidance.
So for the second half we're forecasting relative to our overall guidance to be in the $0.15 to $0.20 headwind from that which we've been able to make up to still get back within our guidance range, actually well within our guidance range because our confidence is still quite high.
The Fort McMurray fires are really just a temporary thing, Andy.
Our folks have moved out but they will move back in and they will be part of the recovery and the rebuild of what's gone up there.
They haven't lost too much in terms of oil output.
But there will be repairs and maintenance that we will help with and in the long term hopefully will be a tailwind for us.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Analyst
Got it.
So Steve, if I remember correctly I think you said oil and gas would be at least break even for the year.
What is it now?
Steve Kadenacy - President
I think that from a contribution standpoint it's probably still true from relative to where we thought it was going to be.
We thought it would swing to a profit in the year.
It was breakeven last year if you recall.
So it's a headwind relative to what we thought it was going to do but on a contribution margin line is not going to be a negative.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Analyst
Okay, got it.
And then you talked about backlog in DCS Americas up I think 8% and transportation up 10%.
DCS Americas revenue as you said marginally improved but is it reasonable to expect organic revenue growth to come closer to matching backlog growth maybe by the end of this fiscal year?
And how much of any acceleration have you seen in revenue burn from some of these infrastructure projects that you booked over the last six to 12 months?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
Andy, it's Mike.
Listen, we had been talking about this since the beginning of the year that we felt fairly confident that organic growth would come back to the business in the latter half of the year based on what we're seeing in the market, based on wins, based on backlog.
And for this quarter it came back to a positive growth in the quarter even though we weren't expecting that to come until the second half of the year.
But the bottom line is we do feel that the second half of the year is going to be much stronger on the organic line.
I'm not prepared to predict organic growth exactly by quarter but everything that we were predicting in the first half of the year is starting to pan out.
We're seeing a robust market.
We're seeing robust wins and your question about whether the organic growth, whether it will match the backlog growth inevitably it does over time.
But trying to predict which quarter that happens in is a little difficult.
But we feel really good about the US business.
It's taken a while to get us through the integration efforts.
We're through that now.
We're focused on growth again.
The market has given us a little tailwind and we should expect to see that both in the second half of the year organic growth numbers as well as even more so in 2017.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Analyst
Great.
And Mike, I just wanted to ask you one question about the MS business, like the backlog was still down a little bit but the pipeline has gone up.
And you had talked about several opportunities last quarter that were close to materializing.
I assume that they are still right in front of you.
Is it just you just got a get these over the finish line and you're close or how is the market there?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
The market is very strong.
I think you've heard us talk about the pipeline moving from $35 billion to $40 billion of projects in the pipeline that we're pursuing.
The bids under evaluation, which are bids that we're not just pursuing but we've actually submitted our bids, were in client evaluation, jumped from $5 billion last quarter to $12 billion this quarter.
So real needle moving numbers there.
And I think when you look at this business, the size of the contracts are so significant that you can't look at just backlog on a quarter-to-quarter basis because of the size of the numbers.
So it's helpful to look at what we're pursuing, what we're qualified to pursue.
Because of the capabilities that we brought together from URS and AECOM legacy government services, we have more capabilities to pursue more projects.
We have the size and scale that allows us to pursue bigger projects that we historically may have partnered with someone on.
So the dynamics for us in the marketplace have changed quite a bit and we're very confident you're going to see that as these bids that are in evaluation get decided upon in the coming year.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Analyst
Thanks, Mike.
Operator
Jamie Cook, Credit Suisse.
Jamie Cook - Analyst
Hi, a couple of follow-up questions on Andy's question.
Mike, the $12 billion in Management Services that's up for -- that's with the client right now for evaluation, is that all incremental new work to the AECOM URS company or some of that work that you guys had done for the client and is up for renewal?
I just want to make sure that's incremental when I think about it.
Then I guess my follow-up question has to do with the guidance.
I think in response to Andy's question you said oil and gas is going to be a $0.15, $0.20 headwind.
I don't think the $0.14 in pension was in your guide before.
So again -- and with the wins you've had I'm just trying to understand why at least the mid- to high-end isn't more likely or is it just timing of when some of this work you win will kick in?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
Okay so let me take the first part of the question and I will let Steve take the second part of the question.
The pipeline as well as the business that are in evaluation are a combination of recompetes and new business.
So I can tell you just off the top of my head I know two of those projects are comprised of $8 billion is two projects.
Of that $8 billion, $5 billion of it is a recompete and $3 billion of it is new business.
But the important differentiator, which is a great segue from the comment I made earlier, is the $5 billion that is a recompete, Jamie, is a business where we were a sub previously and we're going at this one as a prime.
Because of new capabilities and size and scale of our organization we can compete as a prime instead of going at it for a sub.
So of just $8 billion of those $12 billion under evaluation, $8 billion of the $12 billion, $5 billion of the $8 billion is a recompete.
But we're going as a prime instead of as a sub and $3 billion is entirely new business.
Jamie Cook - Analyst
Sorry, just one follow-up question before you answer the guidance question.
Just because the other markets are so weak is the competitive environment when for these projects is a lot more fierce relative to say 12 months ago because when I think about you winning all this work in Management Services and what your margins have been in Management Services, that has pretty positive implications assuming the environment is okay for what earnings could be in 2017.
And I know every contract is different but just broadly.
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
Listen, it's a competitive market and it has been for a while.
But our win rates in that market are as good as they've ever been.
We think our capabilities given our new size and scale are differentiated in the market and there is a high barrier to entry in the markets that we're talking about here.
This isn't old-style log cap work where just about anybody can do it.
We're talking about work that is very highly qualified work with technical capabilities for intelligence community or defense that has enormous barriers to entry.
So you're not going to see people moving over from the low level price competitive work to move into our space if they are not already there.
Jamie Cook - Analyst
Okay, thanks.
And then just the follow-up on the guidance.
Steve Kadenacy - President
On the guidance, Jamie I think it's a good question.
Obviously the $0.14 was not, well, there was a piece of it probably that we would've collected during the year but that $0.14 would've come over a long period of time which we're now going to accelerate into FY16 and FY17.
And then we've got the headwind from oil and gas and if you just do the math you kind of get something, if you're starting from the midpoint of the range, something higher than the midpoint of the range.
But when you're trying to land a company of this size at the end of this year, having some contingency in there for other unexpected items, some of which are known to us now, some of which are not known is prudent from our perspective.
Jamie Cook - Analyst
Okay, thanks.
I will get back in queue.
Operator
Jeff Volshteyn, JPMorgan.
Jeff Volshteyn - Analyst
Thank you for taking my question.
I wanted to ask on free cash flow side of things, so year to date you're probably at around $160 million which leaves if I use the midpoint of your guidance about $540 million for the second half of the year.
Can you help us think through what might be coming through AECOM Capital, what might be coming through operating free cash flow and how does it work with CapEx which seems to be kind of ramping up towards the year-end as well?
Troy Rudd - EVP & CFO
Hi Jeff, this is Troy Rudd.
I guess first of all we're right on track with where we expected to be in the first half of the year.
If you look historically the business produces about 20% of its cash flow in the first half of the year and 80% in the back half of the year.
Just as a couple of data points, in the first half of the year we spend a little more than $100 million on variable comp and some tax related to our equity programs that we don't have in the second half of the year.
So that's sort of the most significant item that influences the timing of the cash flow beyond what we see in just the normal run rate and earnings in our business.
Our business does ramp up in the second half of the year and that also influences cash flow.
So where we sit today we have great confidence in our ability to hit that full-year guidance number.
Jeff Volshteyn - Analyst
Okay, and when you look at CapEx, what are some of the larger buckets of the increased spend in the second half?
Troy Rudd - EVP & CFO
Our CapEx in the second half is ramped up a little bit because of our real estate consolidation.
If you recall we're still going through the program of consolidating real estate related to the acquisition.
So we do see that ramping up a little bit in the second half of the year.
Jeff Volshteyn - Analyst
And then one last kind of follow-up on Jamie's question, the $0.14 pension item, it sounded from your comments, Troy, that there was a revenue impact in the second quarter as well as earnings impact.
Troy Rudd - EVP & CFO
Yes, that $0.14 item not only affects the bottom line but it also affects the revenue and the MS business.
So it comes through both elements of the P&L.
Jeff Volshteyn - Analyst
And what was the impact in the second quarter?
Troy Rudd - EVP & CFO
The second quarter, again on the bottom line it's about $45 million of revenue at the top line.
Operator
Michael Dudas, Sterne Agee.
Michael Dudas - Analyst
Good morning, gentlemen.
Two questions.
First, Mike, maybe on the upcoming power bookings that you are going to show us next quarter, was it a confluence of just timing or is this more of a trend that you guys are seeing in the marketplace that you guys are gonna benefit from maybe rolling into 2017 given all the environmental and nat gas power opportunities that should be coming about?
That's my first part.
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
I think there's a number of contributors there.
First of all, the overall power business in the United States is fairly strong and we know there's a whole host of conversions that are being considered across the country.
But I think the biggest influencer here is that the business that we acquired from URS has been in the power business, the Washington Group, Morrison-Knudsen has a legacy of some of the most iconic power projects here in the United States and around the world.
So it's an incredibly strong franchise.
But under the URS leadership they were underinvested and they weren't focused on growth.
When we acquired that company we quickly identified the talent that exists in that group that has really put together some great projects over the years.
And we invested in them to grow that business and they went out and really took charge of the market, added $1 billion of backlog to that business in the quarter alone.
In Q3 they will have a 3X book-to-burn ratio in Q3 alone.
So it's a combination of a strong market.
It's a combination of bringing together a great franchise with great expertise and a great team and investing in them to grow that's producing this.
So we feel pretty good about our capabilities in the market coming together and continued growth in that end market.
Michael Dudas - Analyst
And my second question would be, Mike, on your comment in your prepared remarks about the non-New York City construction business that seems to have grown quite nicely, is that something that you anticipate will continue as some of the bonding measures that you mentioned and other type of larger city-oriented either bonding or funding could allow that to continue?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
Absolutely.
That's been part of our strategy.
We over the years we acquire companies that have a great expertise and great resume weight and we take them onto our platform and mesh them together with our political contacts, our market contacts in various cities around the world.
And as I mentioned earlier in my prepared remarks when we thought Tishman Construction it was a New York focused business.
90% of its business was in New York and now that has dramatically changed.
And we're taking that expertise.
We've taken it into the London market.
You've heard us talk about our new two high-rise wins in London.
We're proposing another billion dollars of projects that are in evaluation in London alone in the high-rise market.
We have nine building construction projects in the state of California alone when we had zero two years ago, just taking that expertise and capability and meshing it together with our presence in these other markets.
So that has been a part of our strategy for the past few years.
It's working well.
Our leadership, our Construction Services leadership team in the past year has set up a presence in Hong Kong, Singapore and Australia.
We're growing that business with our capabilities and our resume weight from the US business also.
So it's part of our strategy.
We're doing it in building construction, we're doing it in energy and power as I just talked about.
We're doing it in Management Services where we're taking those capabilities that we have performed for the US government and bringing it to the UK government, to the Australian government, the Middle East and Singapore and India right now.
So it's part of our strategy.
Michael Dudas - Analyst
And just quickly, Mike, if you can maybe looking early on handicapping some of these big bond initiatives from November what you guys are seeing early on, on the probable success or failure of such?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
There's a whole host of markets that are very active right now.
We're tracking at least a dozen ballot measures this fall.
A few of them that I'm really familiar with.
The biggest one is right here in our hometown in Los Angeles, Measure R2.
You'll remember that Measure R1 produced a $40 billion fund entirely dedicated to transportation infrastructure.
Measure R2 that will be on the ballot in fall of this year will produce $120 billion program, will be the largest public works program in the United States.
And right now the initial polling that I've seen is showing that that will pass.
So what we're seeing is many states and cities from Seattle to Denver to San Francisco where you've got the taxpayers in those cities are very comfortable with increasing tax measures if they are wholly dedicated to transportation.
There is not a lot of people voting for tax increases when they are going into a general fund that they think will be misspent.
But when they are coming into wholly dedicated transportation infrastructure funds overwhelmingly the taxpayers are voting for it.
And we think that will be a big boom for our business coupled with the $305 billion FAST Act that was passed in December.
And then you add on top of that the private sector money that's coming into the market in public-private partnerships.
We're seeing it with Penn Station in New York.
We're seeing it with the $5 billion LAX airport modernization program.
So you couple all of it together with private money, with federal money and with state and local ballot measures gives us a lot of optimism for civil infrastructure markets.
Michael Dudas - Analyst
Excellent, Michael, thank you.
Operator
Anna Kaminskaya, Bank of America.
Anna Kaminskaya - Analyst
Good morning, guys.
First I just wanted to follow up on the vertical construction end market, just what are you seeing in the New York market in particular?
I know it's 50% so you've been able to diversify but are you seeing a slowdown and if you are seeing slow down how quickly would it impact your EPS numbers?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
Great question, Anna.
First of all, we keep reading the same press that you're reading that New York is going to slow down at some point.
But last quarter we had the 1 Vanderbilt project we won in New York, a $1.4 billion project in New York, so every time we hear news that it may start to slow down we win another project.
So we had 25% organic growth in that building construction end market this past quarter.
But your question if it slows, because listen we know real estate moves in cycles, but one of the things that we have seen is we have a backlog in building construction that we can see out a few years.
And we have built up such a robust backlog in that space it will carry us through the next few years.
So you don't see buildings, especially the kind of buildings that we're building, they don't stop halfway through construction and shut them down.
That doesn't happen here in the US in any major market.
So we don't see that having an impact on our EPS.
Even if there were a slowdown in building construction it wouldn't happen for years and we could look back to the last few cycles.
This isn't our first cycle we been through.
We've seen it before and we've got a lot of visibility out for the next three years in that cycle.
Anna Kaminskaya - Analyst
That's great.
And then just a follow-up to oil and gas, I mean second year in a row we're still hearing about below expectation results.
Is there any impact or risk to your goodwill and potential impairment from oil and gas running below expectations and is it something that would impact your bank terms or covenants that you would have to go back and talk to the banks about?
Troy Rudd - EVP & CFO
Anna, this is Troy.
I'll take that question.
First of all, when we evaluate the goodwill we don't have a concern at this point.
That testing if you remember is based on the long-term view.
And what we think we're experiencing now in Q2 and in Q3 is really the short-term impact of lower oil and gas price.
With respect to our covenants there is no impact on our covenants if there ever was to be a goodwill impairment.
Anna Kaminskaya - Analyst
Okay, thank you very much.
Good quarter.
Operator
Steven Fisher, UBS.
Cleve Rueckert - Analyst
Hi, it's Cleve Rueckert on for Steven at UBS.
Just looking broadly at the plan for the next two quarters into 2017, are there any milestones or key things that need to happen in the next two quarters of 2016 to keep you on track for your 2017 plan?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
So you know, we're tracking numerous milestones.
But the increase in backlog that we've been experiencing and the pipeline of projects that we have underway we continue to monitor that when we have every expectation the backlog will continue to grow based on the pipeline of activity we have now.
But we feel very good about the other milestone on cash flow and debt paydown.
As Troy mentioned we feel very confident on that throughout the year.
So we feel like we're on track for everything, all the milestones that we've set out for us returning to organic growth in the Americas, continuing that growth in the second half of the year would be a great milestone, hitting our cash flow numbers which we expect to do will be a great milestone, continuing to add to the backlog, continuing to diversify our business.
We're through our synergy program for the most part.
We're 90%-plus executed on that and we've exceeded all expectations on that and our margins continue to improve as we said they would.
And we expect that to continue to be a milestone that we watch also.
So there's a wide variety of milestones we're watching every day and they all look pretty darn good.
Cleve Rueckert - Analyst
Thanks.
I appreciate the color.
And Troy just to clarify one thing, I think you said 3% revenue growth excluding oil and gas.
Is that organic growth or did you give an organic number for the Company?
Troy Rudd - EVP & CFO
That would be an organic growth number, yes.
Cleve Rueckert - Analyst
Okay, great, thanks for all the color, guys, I appreciate it.
Operator
Chad Dillard, Deutsche Bank.
Chad Dillard - Analyst
Hi, good morning.
So I'm just trying to think about oil and gas headwinds exiting the second half of 2016 because that sets up 2017.
So you mentioned that you were breakeven in 2Q if I heard correctly but more declines in revenue will be coming for the rest of the year.
So my question is can you stay profitable in the second half?
If not how should we think about the impact in the second half of the year and then into 2017?
Steve Kadenacy - President
Chad, what I believe I said was that we thought it would be breakeven from a contribution standpoint or contribute on the margin.
But the headwind is really against what we expected oil and gas to do for us for the full year.
So listen, that piece of business now is fairly inconsequential to our earnings.
In fact, it's pretty much adjusted out of our forecast for the year.
So we don't have a lot of exposure on it.
And I would feel confident in saying that we don't believe that the size of that business and the overhead associated with it is significant enough to be a headwind where it would create a loss for us.
Chad Dillard - Analyst
Okay, that's helpful.
Then just going back to the DCS business I think in the last call you called out $60 billion of transportation pipeline.
I was just wondering if you had an update on where you stand now?
And then also just on the margin side can you just talk about where are your margins and backlog or new bookings are compared to what you did this past quarter?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
Let me take part of that and I will hand it over to Troy and Steve for the other part of it.
I think the important point is that our overall backlog is up 8% in Americas DCS.
Transportation backlog where we're the most significant player in that space is up 9%.
So we're seeing all of the results of what we have been talking about.
In the first quarter we talked about what we were seeing in terms of activity in the marketplace where clients were starting to think about spending significant amounts of money.
So that's the first clue that we gave to you about what we were seeing.
Then we started realizing it in terms of an increase in backlog.
Then we started seeing in the quarter we had a big Colorado Department of Transportation win I-470, which is a big joint venture design build win for us with our partner.
So we're seeing the results of what we expected.
Then by the way, we returned to positive organic growth in the quarter.
So you start walking this down the path, we talked about the opportunities we were seeing and we started winning it and we showed you that and then we showed you the positive organic growth.
So it's moving exactly in the direction that we had expected.
Steve Kadenacy - President
From a margin standpoint our margins are continue to be strong in DCS.
They are probably getting better in CS because of the headwind from oil and gas kind of alleviating as time goes on.
MS we have very significant margins in that sector but our second half will probably exceed our expectations relative to what we had thought about MS in the second half because we viewed their margins over the long term returning to the 8% to 10% range.
And we think we'll exceed that.
So we're in a competitive market.
Price is very important.
But we're getting better continuously on execution to drive the project margins.
And you can tell from the bottom-line margins that we're bringing those synergies through the P&L which helps us be more competitive but also is falling to our bottom line as predicted.
Chad Dillard - Analyst
Great, that's helpful.
Thank you.
Operator
Andy Wittmann, Robert W. Baird & Company.
Andy Wittmann - Analyst
Great, so guys I wanted to just dig into the organizational restructuring integration and Mike you just mention the comment that 90% of it is kind of done and behind you.
Maybe just if you could give us a little bit more detail about what that entails.
Clearly you're still anticipating some more cost savings next year.
So if you could just talk about how much of the organizational chart is in place, how much of the real estate is now in place and any other initiatives that are going to help get you that next I guess $50 million that you are committing to after the $275 million is done?
Steve Kadenacy - President
From a pure cost standpoint in terms of driving those synergies, there's still more to come.
We exited the quarter at 230 of run rate synergies.
The year will be $275 million and FY17 will be at least $325 million.
What Mike mentioned, so there's still more synergies to come, what Mike mentioned in terms of being mostly done is the emotional and kind of inward facing restructuring from an organizational standpoint which we're basically done.
We'll always be tweaking our teams and our leadership teams but the actual integration is over from that perspective.
So we've got execution to do on the real estate and we have a track record of executing quite well.
We've taken out 205 locations and consolidated them to get our people together.
We've removed 3 million square feet of space and brought our people together.
And ultimately the run rate for real estate alone will be almost $85 million in savings.
So there's more of that to come.
There's some big, big consolidations.
We just did a big one in Denver which is one of our largest offices that are now operating about 1,400 people in one location.
But to us that's not so much integration related to an acquisition because we were, if you recall, before the acquisition we were taking out about $40 million of real estate, so we had a pretty good program in place anyway.
But from our leadership team, and I think it really trickles down to our folks, is the integration with URS is over.
And we're turning our attention towards the external markets.
Andy Wittmann - Analyst
That's helpful, Steve.
Thank you.
I guess maybe one more for you with the AECOM Capital, there was a comment in the script there about evaluating the next steps now that you're fully deployed.
Just given the balance sheet and the cash flows being pretty good here, should we think about the next fund being similar in size?
Just trying to feel out order of magnitude and what that could mean for your cash flows in the next couple of years.
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
So as we've said all along that we expect this to be a big part of our business but not a big part of our balance sheet.
The first $200 million that we deployed to this was entirely off our balance sheet and our next two funds that we're focused on raising will be a combination of our capital and outside capital but almost entirely outside capital.
A very small amount of our capital dedicated to it because to produce the size and scale of the projects we want to get involved in we don't think that's going to entirely come off of our balance sheet.
So we're in the process right now.
We've got a number of discussions with outside funders that will contribute to those the second and third funds.
Andy Wittmann - Analyst
Okay, that's helpful.
Then if I could just ask one final question, I wanted to just look kind of take a view as to growth into 2017.
And just noting that first quarter had legal and pension items that were $15 million, $20 million, you had $45 million of pretax pension help here.
Sellafield, I think, you can confirm, but I think that when rolls off and then you will have the gain.
As you look into 2017, do you see the potential for EPS and EBITDA growth or are these kind of headwinds that are going to be insurmountable with -- I mean there's clearly the restructuring benefits, you've got potentially other gains, but I just wanted to get your sense on how you're thinking about earnings growth into 2017.
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
I don't think we're prepared to start giving guidance on 2017 at this point.
But we certainly we talked about how we feel about the end markets that we're in and how bullish we are on all those end markets around the world.
But we're not prepared to start giving guidance on 2017 just yet.
Andy Wittmann - Analyst
Good.
Thanks.
Operator
Sean Eastman, KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Sean Eastman - Analyst
Hi guys.
So we've talked about this quite a bit already but I just wanted to look at your transportation backlog.
You said it's up almost 10% since the start of the year.
You know just looking at the federal funding legislation and with more state-level measures in the pipeline, do you think this ramp in transportation backlog is kind of what we'll continue to see?
Or do you see that kind of trajectory picking up as these measures take hold?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
We absolutely see it picking up and we have been saying that for a while and now we're starting to see that momentum.
We're seeing it in our pipeline of activity.
Now we're seeing it in the backlog, now we're seeing it in organic growth.
And I mentioned earlier there is a dozen programs that we are tracking that are very significant.
Toronto has got a $50 billion program they are pursuing.
Florida has got a $9 billion program that's very, very focused on transportation.
$120 billion in Los Angeles, there's a big numbers from Atlanta to Seattle, Denver, Phoenix, New York City, San Francisco, one after another where the country is finally turning their attention to closing this enormous deficit that we have in infrastructure spending over the past 20 years.
So when I bring together the significant broad-based grassroots support at the municipality level for tax increases, the federal transportation bill the first time in 10 years that we've had a long-term bill and then the private sector that is very anxiously looking to deploy more money into the P3 market, you bring all those together I think we're about to move into a period of prosperity for civil infrastructure.
And I don't think there's a firm in the United States or in the world that's better positioned than us to take advantage of that updraft in the market.
Sean Eastman - Analyst
Thanks.
That's helpful.
And then secondly I just kind of like to get a bit more color on the MS segment prospects.
Great to see the pipeline continuing to expand there.
But maybe you could help describe exactly what, where the strength has been maybe in terms of agency.
I would be really interested to hear what you're seeing on the DoD side in particular.
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
So the biggest growth is in the intelligence community, frankly, and it's the area that has the highest barriers to entry and so it's a market that we feel very good about.
DoD is still a big market for us.
We have a number of very significant bids in proposal at DoD.
They are all in the continental United States which is different than where we were four years ago, five years ago where most of our business was OCONUS or outside the continental US and we know that that market deteriorated quickly.
So what we feel good about is the markets that we're pursuing have high barriers to entry.
They are in the continental United States, so not as much driven by the war theater.
But we're also seeing that MS business expanding significantly outside the US.
We've taken our capabilities that we've delivered historically for the US government and as I mentioned earlier, we now have a very significant presence in the UK doing work for the nuclear end markets there, doing it for the Defense Department there.
We've won our first project for the Qatari Navy.
We have significant projects now in Australia.
The large naval port on the eastern seaboard of India.
So we're seeing the governments outside the US being very receptive to the capabilities that we have in the US.
Everybody looks to the US for expertise in global defense.
And so it gives us a real leg up in those markets.
Sean Eastman - Analyst
Okay thanks.
Then just a last quick one for me, kind of higher level, we've kind of started to read more and more about technological advancements and some of these bigger schemes, particularly in the Middle East and stuff where they are developing these smart cities?
And I was just wondering I know you guys like to talk about technologies and stuff.
Are there any big opportunities or threats you've seen on the technology side on some of these bigger global developments?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
Sure.
We spend a lot of time thinking about new technology disruptors to traditional infrastructure.
And just last week I moderated a panel at the Milken Global Conference where we brought together -- we had the mayor of Los Angeles who is thinking about how these new disruptive technologies affect his city.
But we also had on the panel representatives from Uber, from Hyperloop Technologies, from WeWorks talking about how do we embed the thinking into the infrastructure of cities as it's influenced by the shared economy or new technologies like Hyperloop which is a client of ours, we're designing their test track right now to move passengers and freight at 800 miles an hour at a magnetic levitation vacuum tube.
We're in discussions with them on how to do that both here in the US as well as in other parts of the world like the Middle East.
Relative to smart cities we're working with the US Commerce Department to bring smart cities to other parts of the world.
We were awarded two projects in India.
As you know Prime Minister Modi has a plan to design 50 smart cities across India.
We won the master planning work for the city of Dholera which is Prime Minister Modi's home state as well as for the new smart city of Vizag which is the short name, I can't say the long name for it.
But some really exciting stuff around the world and we're participating in all of that bringing together new technologies and traditional infrastructure.
I think it's a real competitive advantage that we have.
Sean Eastman - Analyst
Thanks so much.
All very helpful responses.
Operator
Chase Jacobson, William Blair.
Chase Jacobson - Analyst
Hi, thanks for taking my questions.
So Steve, I think you said the third quarter would look similar to the first quarter, is that correct?
Steve Kadenacy - President
That's right.
Chase Jacobson - Analyst
Okay, so excluding AECOM Capital in the fourth quarter, when we go looking at the third to fourth, is there anything abnormal in terms of seasonality in the different businesses other than oil and gas which you already touched on?
Steve Kadenacy - President
No, I don't think so other than AECOM Capital.
We do think that MS is probably a little bit better than we had anticipated but they've been exceeding our expectations every quarter for the last two years.
And Q3 is really just impacted by some of the short-term slowness in oil and gas and some of the impact that we have because of the recent, the natural disaster.
Chase Jacobson - Analyst
Okay.
And then just one last question on P3s.
It's pretty clear that the P3 structure is helping some of these projects go forward.
When you talk to your clients, how are you helping them get comfortable with and understanding the longer-term risks associated with the P3 model just given the track record of some projects historically?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
When you say the problems historically, there's a couple of problems historically.
One has been where people bought greenfield I'm sorry bought brownfield existing assets and overpaid for them.
So put that aside because those projects are people overpaid in the market.
We're not involved with those.
We're involved with only greenfield development.
The second piece of the puzzle is the ones that haven't been successful have been revenue-based structures.
So toll roads that were entirely based on revenue whereas the kind of P3s that we're generally dealing with here are non-revenue based.
They are a fixed stream of what we call availability payments.
So if you look at the automatic people mover system at LAX that's going to be put in place it's a approximately $2 billion program where somebody will design, build, finance and operate it for a period of 30 years in exchange for a revenue stream or the equivalent of a lease payment from the LAX -- the LA World Airports Authority.
So they are very comfortable once they understand the details of how it will be operated and what the performance requirements are going to be, they don't have to worry about the revenue side of it, it's just a fixed payment.
So those are the types of projects in the P3 market that we think will be most popular going forward and the type of projects we're pursuing now.
Chase Jacobson - Analyst
Okay, thank you.
Operator
John Rogers, D.A. Davidson.
John Rogers - Analyst
Hi, congratulations on the quarter.
A couple of follow-up.
First of all, in terms of the power projects that you referenced, are those all gas or is some of that hydro work and are these fixed-price contracts and any other color there would be helpful?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
So those two are not hydro.
They are gas-fired, combined cycle plants and they are in the process of finalizing the EPC contract right now.
John Rogers - Analyst
Okay, and Mike, relative to your comments on AECOM Capital, I just want to go back to that for a second.
The $200 million in the original fund, I know you've got some this year especially in the fourth quarter but the rest of the schedule for harvesting that fund, is that over the next is it 2017, 2018 or thoughts there?
And then the new funds that would be using outside capital, what's your thoughts on the size of that?
Could that be $1 billion fund opportunity and then you would just be collecting fees on it?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
So let me answer a couple of your questions.
The harvesting of gains will be an ongoing process over the next three years let's say.
Some of those projects are completed now.
One is set to be completed later this year.
Some are breaking ground right now so you've got a three-year cycle yet in front of us.
So it's over the next I'd say, I said three years, I probably should say more like three to four years but we'll have continuous harvesting over that period of time.
With regard to the size of the next two funds, I don't have a predetermined size yet.
We're in various discussions but I can easily see three different funds that we've talked about.
One is the continued real estate development that we have underway.
The second is what I will call private infrastructure that is like the investment we already talked about that we made in the Ohio River hydroelectric project, the more energy focused projects.
And we could see a few hundred million dollars fund there easily.
Then the third fund would be for private P3 type projects like LAX that we're bidding on right now that would be we're partnered with someone else on that on the capital side.
But I could see easily three funds totaling over $1 billion in aggregate.
We would participate in that through providing design and construction services.
We would participate in that through management fees under a traditional private equity P3 model and we would participate in the carry interest by sharing in the profitability of those projects over a certain threshold return.
John Rogers - Analyst
That's helpful.
And you're expecting to give us more color on that over the next couple of quarters is that what you said?
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
Yes, we will give you updates as we evolve.
We've just started our discussions with investors that want to participate in that based on the success of our first fund.
We have a number of people that are very interested in participating in future funds with us.
John Rogers - Analyst
Great, thank you.
Operator
We have no further questions at this time.
I'd like to turn the call back to Mike Burke for final remarks.
Mike Burke - Chairman & CEO
Great, thank you, operator.
I hope that what you heard today was a sense of increased confidence in what the future holds for AECOM.
And hopefully it's quite evident to you that we have turned the corner and we are participating in some markets that are very interesting to us.
We had significant wins in the power business.
You're starting to see momentum in the DCS Americas.
Our UK business is stronger than ever and I'd say we've never been as confident about our ability now to grow as a business, to generate cash and drive shareholder value and execute against our vision of bringing together a fully integrated firm that has the ability to design, build, finance and operate infrastructure assets around the world.
So thank you for listening today.
Thank you for your confidence in AECOM and we look forward to talking to you on our future calls about our progress and our continued success.
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference.
Thank you for participating.
You may now disconnect.