Expro Group Holdings NV (XPRO) 2025 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good morning all and thank you for joining us at the Expro Q3 2025 earnings presentation. My name is Carleen, and I'll be coordinating the call today. (Operator Instructions)

At night Sergio Maiworm, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Expro’s third quarter 2025 call. I'm joined today by Expro CEO, Michael Jardon.

First, Mike and I will have some prepared remarks. Then we will open it up for questions. We have an accompanied presentation on the third quarter results that is posted on the expo website expo.com under the investors section.

In addition, supplemental financial information for the third quarter results is downloadable on ex website likewise under the investor section. I'd like to remind everyone that some of today's comments may refer to or contain forward-looking statements.

Such remarks are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. Such statements speak only as of today's date, and the company assumes no responsibility to update forward-looking statements as of any future date.

The company has included in its SEC filings cautionary language identifying important factors that could cause actual results to be materially different from those set forth in any forward-looking statements. A more complete discussion of these risks is included in the company's SEC filings, which may be accessed on the SEC website sec.gov or on our website again at expro.com.

Please note that any non-GAAP financial measure discussed during this call are defined and reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure in our third quarter 2025 earnings release, which can also be found on our website.

With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Mike.

Thank you, Sergio. Good morning, everyone and welcome to Expro’s third quarter call. I'll begin by reviewing the third quarter of 2025 financial results from today's press release. Expro achieved its highest quarterly free cash flow ever and continued to improve its e a margin. We expect a strong fourth quarter and have raised our annual guidance.

Next, I'll cover operational highlights, macro trends, a preliminary 2026 outlook, and key strategic themes. Sergio will provide further details on financials, updated 2025 guidance, and our overall capital allocation framework.

Let's begin on slide 1. Expro reported quarterly revenue of $411 million and EBITDA of $94 million representing a 22.8% margin. Adjusted free cash flow was $46 million or 11% of revenue, which was the highest recorded by the company to date.

The financial results reflect ongoing operational efficiency gains relating to margins and free cash flow. This record-breaking free cash flow generation marks a significant milestone for Expro, highlighting the company's successful strategy in improving operational efficiency and maximizing cash conversion.

Achieving the highest adjusted free cash flow in the company's history underscores our commitment to financial discipline, creating and returning value to shareholders. Such performance sets a new benchmark and demonstrates our focus on increasing performance amidst dynamic market conditions.

In the third quarter, Expro also repurchased around 2 million shares for roughly $25 million achieving our annual target of $40 million ahead of schedule. We are also raising the 2025 annual guidance for EBITDA and free cash flow to reflect anticipated performance to date and for the rest of the year. Further details will be provided by Sergio later in the call.

Moving to slide 2, Expro’s $2.3 billion backlog provides solid revenue visibility and demonstrates the company's diverse portfolio and operations across regions. Securing long-term contracts and delivering cost effective solutions strengthens customer trust and underpins ongoing growth.

Maintaining safety, service quality, and performance highlights Expro’s strengths. As we look to the future, the strong backlog and steady customer relationships help guide our planning for 2026. It's also important to note that while the backlog is encouraging and supports our strategic planning and visibility on revenue, it isn't a guarantee of future outcomes.

Primarily, the backlog acts as a valuable health check for our business, offering insight into its current strength and helping guide informed decisions amid changing market conditions. As we look ahead, it's important to consider the broader market context shaping our industry and our outlook.

Despite the current softer commodity price environment, the outlook for Expro’s core markets remains constructive. We fundamentally believe that oil and gas investments will remain resilient with continued investment in offshore and international projects supporting demand for our services and express core regions.

Long-term demand for hydrocarbons remains resilient, particularly in non-OECD markets and offshore developments. Upstream investment is expected to remain largely flat globally in 2026. We do, however, see pockets of growth in some international markets.

We expect upstream investments to recover later in 2026 and into 2027 and beyond. With growth led by offshore projects in Latin America, the Middle East, and West Africa, regions where expo is very well positioned.

Natural gas fundamentals have temporarily softened, but gas remains critical to the global energy mix and therefore supporting long-term demand for export services and technology. As operators prioritize capital discipline and production optimization, we see sustained demand for our brownfield focused offerings and digital solutions.

The ongoing shift towards decarbonization and increased investment in geothermal and carbon capture or CCS projects, particularly in Asia Pacific, ESA, and North America, positions Expro’s sustainable energy business for continued growth.

While macroeconomic risks persist, Expro’s diversified portfolio, strategic offshore and international exposure enables us to navigate near term headwinds and capitalize on emerging opportunities across the full asset life cycle.

Turning to slide 3 at this stage, it is a bit too soon to provide definitive guidance for 2026. However, our current outlook for Expro suggests that activity levels in 2026 will be largely consistent, if not slightly lower than those anticipated than those projected in 2025.

Preliminary assessments indicate that operational activity will likely increase in the second half of the year following a slower start during the first quarter where we will have the typical winter season effect from operations in the northern hemisphere and the NOC planning effect early in the year.

Although revenue expectations remain relatively flat to slightly down for next year, Expro remains strongly committed to further expanding even margins and free cash flow generation. Based on our activity outlook and our position today, I am confident in our ability to achieve these objectives.

It should be noted that this outlook is informed by initial discussions with our customers and our historical experience across various market cycles as we are in the early stages of developing the 2026 budget, numerous factors, including continued customer engagement and geopolitical developments could influence our perspective prior to releasing formal guidance in February alongside our fourth quarter earnings report.

Before turning to our operational update. I wanted to discuss a few things that make Expo unique and we think are important attributes for investors to consider beyond the broader macro dynamics. That is also on slide 4. We believe Express future stock performance will also be driven by several company specific factors that set us apart from peers and position us for sustained value creation.

One of our most powerful differentiators is our ability to expand our wallet share with existing customers by providing additional or enhanced services to customers we already serve while leveraging the existing cost base, we are able to significantly expand our margins with new technology deployments.

This approach not only deepens our customer relationships but also drives incremental profitability and efficiency without the need for increased personnel on board. Another unique driver is the transformation of our production solutions business. Historically, as a consumer of capital, this segment is maturing into a generator of free cash flow.

This evolution reflects both operational discipline and the successful execution of our strategy to optimize asset utilization and drive higher returns from our installed base. As production solutions continues to scale, we expect it to be a meaningful contributor to our overall financial strength and flexibility.

In addition, Expro’s commitment to technology leadership remains a core pillar of our differentiation. Our ongoing investments in technologies, digitalization, and artificial intelligence enable us to deliver innovative, high value solutions to our customers. This not only enhances our competitive positioning but also supports marginal expansion and operational efficiency enhancements across our portfolio.

Finally, our disciplined approach to marginal expansion and free cash flow generation combined with a track record of integrating value of creative acquisitions further distinguishes Expro. By focusing on international and offshore markets and executing on cost efficiency programs like our Drive 25 initiative and others, we can deliver superior returns and create long-term shareholder value independent of broader market dynamics.

Moving to our operational performance on slide 5 during this quarter, Expro has consistently demonstrated strong operational performance. We continue to secure new business and remain dedicated to delivering our services safely and efficiently in the field, a commitment validated by our customers and recognized within the industry.

Expro was recently honored with ENI's best contract for HSE Performance award for our contributions to the Congo OPT project. This accolade coincided with the first anniversary of our OPT plant operating without a single lost time incident with over 2 million man hours of activity underscoring our team's success and highlighting our exemplary standards in safety and operational excellence.

We received the OTC Brazil Spotlight on New Technology Award for both the QPulse, multi-phase flow meter, and the Elite composition solution with the official presentation scheduled at next week's OTC Brazil event.

At the Gulf Energy Awards here in Houston, Expro was shortlisted for a record 10 technologies across 7 categories, further affirming our leadership and innovative capabilities in the sector. Notably, Expro earned the best health, safety, and environmental contribution in upstream award for our vigilance, intelligent safety, and surveillance solution.

Our purposeful approach to innovation ensures we address client requirements directly, contributing to industry progress and delivering measurable value. In addition to these achievements, Express successfully completed the inaugural deployment of Velonix, an optimized pipeline pig control technology for a US midstream client.

This implementation results in a reduction of approximately 7 million pounds of carbon dioxide emissions, generated cost savings for the customer, and improved data quality to support accelerated decision making, further exemplifying Expro's commitment to operational excellence and sustainability.

As detailed in our September 8th press release, Expro has established a new offshore world record for the heaviest casing string deployment, utilizing the advanced Blackhawk Gen III wireless top drive cement head with Skyhook technology.

Conducted in the Gulf of America, this milestone sets a benchmark for safe and reliable offshore cementing operations in ultra deep high-pressure environments. These achievements demonstrate how Expro’s technology portfolio delivers a competitive edge, unlocks future revenue opportunities, and supports margin expansion through scalable, differentiated solutions.

Building on these technology milestones, our regional performance this quarter further underscores our commitment to efficient, effective innovation across our global operations. This quarter we secured a 5-year extension with Chevron for subsea services in the Gulf of America. This long-term contract reflects the trust Chevron places an Expro and reinforces our reputation for high-quality service.

In Alaska, we won a significant contract with Conoco Phillips expanding our well testing leadership and creating new opportunities to deploy our multi-phase flow meters and fluid analysis services. In Congo, we secured a multi-year slick line services contract with Perenco. This contract significantly strengthens our intervention services in West Africa and demonstrates our technical expertise.

In the Middle East and North Africa, we secured key well flow management contracts for ADNOC and Petronas. The first contract is for well test services for 4 packages over 2 years, while the second contract involves 6 well test packages and a multi-phase pump that will be used as a zero-flaring solution for the well test activities.

These wins enhance our reputation as a trusted partner in unconventional well development and reinforce our commitment to innovative sustainable solutions. Turning to the Asia Pacific region in the second quarter, we reported that Expro completed the first rigless conductor driving operation on a client's platform in over a decade, delivered ahead of schedule, demonstrating our commitment to innovative solutions in the region.

I'm also pleased to share that in the third quarter this Bass Straight campaign received highly positive feedback from NOPSEMA, Australia's offshore safety regulator, and was formerly recognized for achieving ALARP as low as reasonably practicable safety standards.

This recognition reaffirms our dedication to operational excellence and the highest safety protocols. Across every phase, we champion safety through best practices, strict procedures, and continuous improvement, underscoring our robust safety culture and commitment to protecting our workforce and partners.

Across all regions, Expro’s operational and technology achievements this quarter, demonstrate our ability to deliver value-driven innovation, and maintain the highest standards for safety and efficiency. These results position us strongly for continued growth and marginal expansion in the quarters ahead.

Before turning over to Sergio, I'd like to remind everyone that Expro’s value proposition that we've highlighted on slide 6. Expro’s long-term strategy is anchored in building a large, diversified and compelling business mix company with clear market leadership positions.

Our overarching goal is to maximize and sustainably generate free cash flow through industry cycles, ensuring resilience and value creation for our shareholders. First, we are committed to continuously improving our financial results.

This means driving marginal expansion and robust free cash flow generation underpinned by discipline cost efficiencies through initiatives like our Drive 25 campaign. We are also focused on reducing the capital intensity of the business and consistently delivering top quartile performance across our operations.

Second, we see significant opportunities to grow Expro through inorganic scalable acquisitions. Our approach is to target international and offshore opportunities with adjacent offerings that present strong industrial logic and a creative financial profiles. We have developed a proven blueprint for integrating businesses efficiently and in a timely manner, and our track record demonstrates our ability to create shareholder value to discipline M&A.

Third, we are high grading our business by leveraging technical leadership. We continue to invest in technologies across our core business segments and are actively scaling our digital capabilities, including artificial intelligence and digitalization. Importantly, we are globalizing the technology platforms acquired through recent M&A, ensuring that innovation and technical excellence remain at the heart of our value proposition.

In summary, expert strategy is to design, designed to deliver sustainable growth, operational excellence, and superior returns by maintaining a disciplined focus on financial performance, pursuing targeted acquisitions, and investing in technology leadership, we are well positioned to lead our industry and deliver long-term value for our shareholders.

With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Sergio to review our financial results in detail.

Thank you, Mike, and good morning again to everybody on the call.

As Mike noted, Expro continues to deliver consistent and above expectations financial results. In the 3rd quarter, we reported revenue of $411 million. EBITDA for Q3 reached $94 million with a margin of 22.8%, up about 50 basis points from last quarter, and 270 basis points year over year.

Slide 7 illustrates our quarterly and annual margin growth. We are confident in further margin expansions in 2025 and 2026, with the latter being driven by the full impact of Drive 25, increased customer wallet share at higher margins, international growth from acquisitions like [Ortra], and ongoing cost optimization and efficiency improvements.

EBITDA margin expansion is not the goal in itself on slide A, but a means to increase free cash flow generation. And in the third quarter, Expro posted its highest quarterly free cash flow in the company's history, generating over $46 million on an adjusted basis.

We aim to further reduce the capital intensity of the business and expect even stronger free cash flow in 2026, both as a percentage of revenue and in absolute terms. We have increased our 2025 guidance for free cash flow, though we're cautious about Q4 due to potential working capital effects.

The Q4 guidance is conservative and already accounts for these factors. Expro also bought back $25 million in shares in the third quarter, achieving our $40 million goal ahead of time, and we still have another $36 million available under the current $100 million repurchase plan.

Turning to liquidity, the company closed the quarter with $532 million in total liquidity. That includes $199 million in cash in the balance sheet after accounting for the revolving credit facility repayments and the share repurchases during the quarter.

During the third quarter, the company completed a $22 million voluntary prepayment of its revolving credit facility. The voluntary repayments reduced the outstanding draw balance on the RCF from $121 million to $99 million as of September, 30.

As mentioned before, we're raising our EBITDA and free cash flow guidance for 2025. The details are on slide 9. We now expect our adjusted EBITDA to be between $350 million and $360 million compared to a notional $350 million plus before.

We're lowering our CapEx guidance. We now expect our capital expenditures for the year to be between $110 million and $120 million whereas before we had approximately $120 million . Lastly, we're also increasing our free cash flow guidance.

We now expect our adjusted free cash flow to be between $110 million and $120 million compared to the approximately $110 million we were estimating before. As mentioned, the free cash flow guidance is somewhat conservative given the possibility of working capital use in the quarter. We certainly have some upside potential from here.

Now I'd like to quickly address our segment performance this quarter before finalizing with our capital allocation framework. A reminder that details around our segment's performance can also be found in the appendix of the presentation. Turning to regional results, in North and Latin America, or NLA, third quarter revenue was $151 million or up $8 million quarter over quarter.

Reflecting higher well construction and well flow management revenue in the Gulf of America, partially offset by lower well intervention and integrity revenue in Argentina. For Europe and sub-Saharan Africa, or ESSA, third quarter revenue decreased $7 million to $126 million sequentially, primarily driven by lower wealth flow managements and subsea well excess revenue in the UK and Norway.

Segment EBITDA margin at 32% was up 200 basis points sequentially, reflecting higher activity in a favorable product mix. The Middle East and North Africa, or MENA, delivered another solid quarter but slightly lower compared to Q2, with revenues at $86 million driven by lower well construction and well intervention integrity revenue in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar.

MENA's segment EBITDA margin was 35% of revenues, a decrease of about 100 basis points from the prior quarter reflecting the lower wall construction activity.

Finally, in Asia Pacific, or APAC, third quarter revenue was $49 million a decrease of $8 million relative to the second quarter, primarily reflecting the lower wealth flow management, well intervention and integrity, and well construction revenue in Malaysia, and lower well construction and subsea well access revenue in Australia, partially upset by higher well construction and well flow management revenue in Indonesia.

Asia Pacific segment EBITDA margin at 21% of revenues decreased about 500 basis points from the prior quarter, reflecting decreased activity and mix.

Now I'd like to briefly discuss our capital location framework on slide 10. Expro’s capital allocation framework is designed to maximize long-term value creation by maintaining a disciplined and balanced approach across 4 equally important priorities.

Our philosophy is that every $1 of capital must be deployed where it can generate the highest risk adjusted returns, and as such, each of these four areas continuously competes for capital on an ongoing basis. First, we're committed to investing in our business to drive organic growth with superior return profiles.

This includes funding projects and initiatives that enhance our core capabilities, improve efficiency, and support innovation across our service lines. Every investment is rigorously evaluated to ensure it meets our standards for superior returns throughout the business cycle.

As a reminder, the vast majority of our capital expenditures are geared towards specific projects with known return profiles. These are not speculative investments.

Second, we pursue selective, highly accretive mergers and acquisitions that complement our existing capabilities and customer relationships. Our M&A strategy is focused on opportunities that offer clear industrial logic, scalable technologies, and synergies, and the potential to expand our presence in attractive markets.

We applied the same disciplined capital allocation criteria to acquisitions as we do to organic investments, ensuring that only the most compelling opportunities receive funding.

Third, we're committing to returning capital to shareholders. Our framework targets the return of at least 1/3 of free cash flow to shareholders annually, primarily through share repurchases. This commitment reflects our confidence in the company's ability to generate sustainable free cash flow and our focus on delivering direct value to our investors.

Finally, we maintain a fortress balance sheet to ensure financial flexibility and resilience. Preserving a strong balance sheet enables us to navigate market cycles, invest in growth opportunities as they arise, and protect the company's long-term stability.

Importantly, these four pillars organic investments, M&A, shareholder returns, and balance sheet strength are not ranked in order of priority. Instead, they're managed dynamically with each area continuously competing for capital based on the quality of opportunities available. This disciplined, balanced approach ensures that Expro remains agile, resilient, and focused on maximizing value for all shareholders.

With that, I'll turn the call back to Mike for a few closing comments.

Sergio, thank you.

As we conclude our prepared remarks and before opening up for questions, I'd like to conclude with the following thoughts. Despite the softer commodity market backdrop in the near term, we continue to see resilient, if not robust, investments in upstream oil and gas in the international markets. We also expect the offshore sector to further recover, starting in the second half of 2026 and into 2027 and beyond.

Looking ahead, we remain confident in Expro’s ability to deliver resilient performance even as we navigate softer market backdrops. Our diversified business mix, disciplined capital allocation, and relentless focus on operational excellence positioned us to weather industry cycles and continue creating value for our stakeholders.

We expect to finish 2025 on a strong note with a robust fourth quarter that reflects both the strength of our customer relationships and the successful execution of our strategic initiatives. As we move into 2026, we are well positioned to further expand our EBITDA margin driven by ongoing cost efficiencies, margin of creative growth, and the maturation of our production solutions business into a significant free cash flow generator.

Moreover, we anticipate continued growth in our free cash flow generation in 2026, supported by our balanced approach to capital allocation and our commitment to maximizing returns across all areas of the business.

We believe these strengths will enable Expro to deliver sustainable long-term value for our shareholders regardless of the broader market environment. We thank our employees, customers, and shareholders for their continued support and look forward to building on our momentum in the quarters and years ahead. With that, I'd like to open up the call for questions.

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Ati Modak, Goldman Sachs.

Hi, good morning guys. Just a quick question on the margin expansion comment for 26 on flat to slightly lower revenue. Can you help us understand what the drivers there are? Is it largely the Drive 25 initiative? Are there other factors that, are driving that expectation?

No, thanks for the question. Thanks for joining us today. I guess a couple of things I TRY to highlight is, yes, it'll be the full year effect of our Drive 25 initiative. If you recall, although we've changed the total target throughout the year as we've expanded and increased it, we've really targeted taking out about 50% of that benefit in 2025.

So we'll let the national margin expansion from that in 2026. Which will help us offset some of the, inflationary costs and pressures and those kind of things.

Additionally, we'll continue to internationalize some of the M&As we've made action in particular, and then, the third element really is as we continue to roll out new technologies. And I think I've highlighted this to you and to others before, but just keep an eye on the number of new technologies continue to roll out. We'll continue to get market update that helps us expand our wallet share really helps us position ourselves. It's really a combination of all those.

And frankly what we have the organization focused on today is, we can't control the activity, the overall activity. We're going to continue to get our fair share. We're going to continue to position ourselves with customers globally, but we're going to stay focused on the things that we can really affect, which is operational efficiency, execution, rolling out new technology, those type of things.

Thank you. That's very helpful. And then, on the comments that offshore activity could pick up in the second half, what are you keeping an eye on and can you give us any additional sort of regional color in terms of how you're seeing activity play out at the moment?

Sure, and I'll start with the one that I think is going to be the laggard, and I think the laggard is probably going to be Asia Pacific. I think it's the one in 2026 that is, we're seeing some softness here in Q3 and even in Q4 in Asia Pacific. I think it's going to be the one that's going to be a little bit of a laggard.

That's not altogether different than how we foresaw 2025 overall, we kind of highlighted early in the year that we felt like Australia was going to be a bit soft overall, but I do think going into 26, and I think we'll start to see some activity ramp up in the second half is really going to be the golden triangle. It's going to be West Africa.

It's going to be, Gulf of Mexico, those areas. I also think that two others to keep in mind is. We're starting to see some positive sentiments and some positive commentary in Saudi in particular with the jack up activity.

Although we don't generate a lot of activity in the [DACA] market in Saudi, I think it kind of goes to the tone and the tenor that's going on in the kingdom. I think that's going to be more constructive. And then I think some of the things we're starting to see out of Mexico is going to be helpful for us as an industry overall. So those are the ones I would really highlight. Sergio, anything on this?

No, I think that's it.

That's very helpful, guys. Maybe if I can squeeze in one more, the share repurchases you mentioned you reached ahead of schedule, what does that mean for repurchases for the rest of the year? Would you not do anything and then, what's reasonable to think for 26?

Yeah, that's a great question. We'll continue to evaluate as we always do in line with the capital allocation framework that we that we laid out on this call as well. We'll continue to look for opportunities to return more capital to shareholders.

We adjust. Our free cash flow guidance to $110million to $120million, so the $40 million that we've already repurchased represent at least a third of that already. So, as we continue to see more free cash flow generation, we will continue to evaluate opportunities to repurchase shares. So, that is that is a continuous effort for us. So, we'll continue to do that.

And we still have plenty of room in the, we still plenty of headroom in the pre-authorized, amounts, so we'll continue to be thoughtful about that here as we kind of see what are the market dynamics and how we see things playing out for Q4.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Great, thanks Ati.

Thank you, Ati.

Eddie Kim, Barclays Capital.

Hi, good morning. Just wanted to circle back on your comments on 26 activity levels being consistent, if not slightly lower than 25 levels. You mentioned activity is likely going to increase the second half of next year, which implies that the first half of next year could be a little softer than normal, even considering typical seasonality.

So, could you talk about maybe what's driving that softness in the first half of next year? Is it all being driven by Asia Pack or is there something else going on there?

No, I think Eddie, thanks for joining us. I appreciate the question. I guess how I would frame it up is, this is we're just now in the early stages, we're kind of in the first, maybe the, if not the top, maybe the bottom of the first inning right now in terms of our budget preparation process, so you know we're going out to kind of start that bottom up exercise with our customers and literally look at kind of project by project fundamentally this is my sense.

From customer conversations and discussions that I've had with kind of trying to understand how do they see their spend for the rest of 25 and how it goes into 2026. I think they are thoughtful and mindful of some of the things going on today, commodity pricing, what's happening in the geopolitical sphere, does the peace agreement in the Middle East hold?

Something happened more meaningfully with Russia and Ukraine? All those kind of things, I think, are causing a little bit of a cautious sentiment for them to kind of wait and see how this is. And then fundamentally how we see kind of going into the next year yes, you're right, it's so Asia Pacific, and we, as much as I would like to wish it away, we always have a Q1 effect.

The northern hemisphere is slow because of the winter season. Our NOC customers are always historically. Over the last 30 plus years of my career, they're always a little bit slow getting out of the gate in Q1. That's really kind of what we're seeing.

But as we, we'll get a better sense here over the next, 8 weeks or so as we go through the budget process, but my sense is we're probably talking about a, flattish slightly down 2026 and fundamentally, as I said in the earlier question.

What we've got the organization focused on is we're going to control what we can control, and we can't control how much activity there is, but we can control our service delivery, our agency performance, the roll out of our technology to enhance efficiency.

That's what I want the team really focused on. And if we see a ramp up in activity in, the middle of Q2, we'll take it and we'll be ready to be positioned. If it's more like in the Q2, then you know we'll deal with it that way as well.

Understood. Thanks for that color, Mike. My follow-up, just tailing on those comments. I understand you'll provide more detailed guidance during the fourth quarter earnings call, but yeah, you mentioned activity levels flat or slightly lower next year.

At the same time, you said you expect continued margin expansion. So just putting those two things together, is it fair to assume that EBITDA for next year should be atleast similar to 25 levels, or how should we think about that just directionally?

Yeah, I think that's, I think it's a good way to think about it directionally, we will, I will be very disappointed if we don't expand EBITDA margins in 2026 and what is the activity, what's the overall activity set look like to determine is an absolute number, but kind of in the range where I think, flat slightly down going into the next year, I would think we should be similar EBITDA numbers.

And quite frankly what we're, I would say we're more focused on, but what we have a real sense of urgency around is better conversion of that into cash generation.

Understood. Thanks, Michael. I'll turn it back.

Great, thanks Eddie.

Thank you.

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Derek Podhaizer, Piper Sandler.

Hey, good morning, guys. I just have a couple education questions. Maybe we could first start on the production solutionsop opportunity that you mentioned a number of times on the call. Can you help us understand what types of services you're talking about, the technologies, and maybe, which regions are best suited for production solutions.

Sure, no, Derek, thanks for joining us and thanks for the question. So, it is fundamentally these are, a great example of it is the early pre-treatment facility that we put together that we collaborated with ENI on in the Congo, and that really was a facility that helped treat gas to ensure it met the Expro spec, which meant they could actually load it on an [FLNG vessel]. So that was an enhancement to an existing facility.

We can also have optimization or production enhancement where we're actually providing, some place like Algeria where we're providing gas recompression, gas reinjection, helping to reduce the flaring opportunities that those things. Really, its existing infrastructure.

It can be production facility type things. We don't pursue the big massive epic type projects. What we're really focused on is smaller modular kind of accelerated monetization of existing assets, and those are predominantly for us very strong presence in the Middle East, opportunities for us in.

In West Africa and then also some that we see here in South America as well, so it's a good geographic spread that's more brownfield type activity than it is greenfield activity.

Got it. Okay, that's helpful. And then I know you mentioned those were big consumers of cash, and now you believe this is going to flip to cash generation. So, can you maybe help us frame the magnitude of these projects that we're consuming cash but now what it could be when it's generating cash?

Yeah, Derek, no, that's a good question. So, we actually embarked on a bunch of these projects over the last few years. So, this the construction of the facilities, as Mike pointed out, and the investments that we had to make, and we had a few of those projects back-to-back, so you can.

Assumed a bit of capital, but now that a lot of these projects are already online like the OPC project for ENI in the Congo, basically that just becomes an annuity for us. There's a very low operating cost to continue to operate those facilities, and there's just a consistent stream of cash. It's very visible. It's very predictable for us.

So, as we stack up some of these projects that have been concluded and as those projects go from the construction phase into the operations and maintained phase of that, it just becomes an annuity and you just start stacking one on top of the other, so that actually contributes a lot for the free cash flow generation of the business. Does that make sense?

Got it. Okay, that's no, it's, that's very helpful, and then, just kind of a follow-up to the follow-up, back to 2026 that Eddie were talking about on the margin expansion story, maybe could you help us provide a little bit more color on where we'll see the most impact, whether that's from a region line perspective or a product line perspective, just want to start thinking about kind of the shape of 26 from either the product lines or the regions how you report it.

Yeah, I mean, it, and again it's kind of early for me to give too much granularity on what 2026 is going to look like. I think we're going to, Gulf of Mexico, Gulf of America, I guess what I'm supposed to call it now, is probably going to be, similar flattish kind of year on year. We don't see a massive change.

And kind of what's going to happen with the rig count, those type of things, I think they'll continue to move from, magically on Wednesday the rig frees up. It's going to move to another operator on Thursday, so to speak. So, I think the Gulf is going to be pretty consistent.

I think South America will have some, can have some particular strength. I think MENA is going to again be solid and probably have a little bit of upside in there. There's been some softness here for us in the last couple of months because of some of the Saudi activity. They have operational issues with a vendor that created some slowness there.

So, I think it'll be solid, and I think West Africa will be kind of consistent year. Year I don't think we'll start to see some of the impact of some of the new FID. That's what we'll start to see in the second half of 2026.

That's kind of how we frame it up and the Asia Pacific is the one in which I think it's going to continue to be a little bit softer than what we would like to see it, but I think that's just kind of how the activity steps are going to be really until Australia in particular kind of gets kicked back off into more of a drilling phase.

Got it. Okay. All makes sense. Thanks for the call. I'll turn it back.

Thank you, Derek. Perfect.

Joshua Jayne. Daniel Energy Partners.

Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to dig into the margin question that Derek just asked a little bit incrementally. So, when I think about looking into 26, one of the reasons you highlighted is for potential strength is the Middle East, and just when we think about the margin difference between that region.

And something like Asia Pack, for example, which you expect to be I guess a bit on the softer side in 26, is that part of what's ultimately driving the margin uplift, or could that, or if you have a higher contribution they're moving into 26, is that, could that lead margins to expand further than what you're projecting outside of Drive 25?

No, Josh, it's a really good question. It's a perceptive question. It really is going to be, so for us, a lot of the driver is going to be the mix.

And the mix can be what's the geographic mix, if we actually see a, what's the impact of the Middle East? Is it flat year on year, or is there, historically we've kind of had some single-digit growth in the Middle East and obviously when there's growth in the Middle East for us it really moves the needle because it has such a high margin profile.

But also, what you know what's the impact of as we roll out new technologies or we continue to expand our customer wallets. Those generally come with higher margins or more credence. It really is a mix that has an impact on us that it's a little bit more difficult for us at this point in time to really kind of predict what's going to happen there and then the other element I know we've kind of been cautious on Mexico activity because we don't have a massive amount of Mexico activity with [PME].

We're actually going to see we'll start to see some activity in 2026 with [non-P] operations, and that'll be a positive as well. So long answer to a lot of it depends on the mix. And you know we'll TRY to continue to accelerate technology rollouts and those type things, and we'll TRY to continue to expand our presence in places like the Middle East.

Okay, thanks for that. And then one technology question, one release that I thought was pretty interesting over the course of over the course of Q3, you highlighted the launch of your remote clamp installation system, so it was deployed in Q4 of last year and then deployed again in Q2 of 25.

Maybe just use that as an example of like when I think about a technology like that, how ultimately scalable do you see something like that? And when you could really see acceleration of a product like that taking hold in the market, is that something that happens in 26, more in 27, maybe just a timeline when we see announcements of, successful deployment once and then a second one and just moving forward.

So, and again it's a good perceptive question, the remote plan installation simplistically this allows us to robotically install clamps on completion, when you're running completion strings, you don't you have no hands on. You have no personnel, nobody's in a red zone, no hands are in there, and as we have moved from concept to field trials to commercial installation, our operators are extremely pleased with this. We increase the speed at which we can run completions and install control lines and clamps on those.

More importantly, if you don't have people with their hands in the red zone or they're physically in the red zone, it reduces or almost completely eliminates the risk of having an incident. So, I think this is one that will continue to get more and more uptake from customers on it.

We've had really good support in in the North Sea. I think it's one we'll be able to continue to accelerate, so we'll start to see that more installations in 2026 and really ramp up as we go into 2027.

Thanks. I'll turn it back. Great

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